I've had three CR-V's since they came out in 1997. They are all still being driven (family heirlooms, let's say). I live in the Midwest where we get plenty of snow. I've never had an issue getting stuck. For one thing, you rock the vehicle with front wheels in line with the rear wheels, not continuously turning the steering wheels and going nowhere. You also don't slow down in numerous inches of wet snow or you will get stuck. I wouldn't say the CR-V is a fail because it wasn't made to off-road in snow or sand or mud like some other vehicles with those intended uses. The fail is your driving. Sorry, but I have to disagree with your "conclusion." It's like saying a Jeep Wrangler isn't luxurious compared to a Cadillac.
My 09 Rav4 V6 would crush all of your cars off-road, but, yeah, this guy can't drive. I kept saying to myself "why is he rocking it at angles instead of in a straight line?" and "Why is he stopping after he just got going? What's wrong with him?"
My sentiments exactly. At the 4:00 min mark, when he started to move forward, he CUT The WHEEL. left (edit- stopping him dead, he's now plowing snow with his tires).. Always keep the wheels straight when stuck.. Even though he wanted to turn around you still want to al least create a track to do it in..
No, I don't think so. I have a 2016 CRV EX AWD and it really suck driving in snowy roads. Resale the CRV and go back to Rav4 although the rav4 does no handle and drive as nice as the CRV....it is solid in snowy conditions. In dry condition, the CRV rock but snow times....it suck.
I live in a climate where snow lasts 4-5 months per year. Dedicated SNOW tires are a must. This video's failure, was in not clearly identifying the difference proper snow tires can make, it had nothing to do with the vehicles' capabilities. Unfortunately, poor driver technique also came into play here. When you're stuck in deep snow, do NOT SPIN the tires. Spin creates heat, snow melts momentarily, re-freezes, turns to ice= zero traction. Also,,, DO NOT turn the wheels side to side as you try to escape a rut. Rock the vehicle gently back and forth in a straight line, crushing the snow in front of, and behind the wheels. Once you have a few feet of flattened snow fore and aft of your wheels, you can back up to the point of resistance,,, stop,,,, then gradually forward, you'll be able to use the now elongated rut in front of the wheels, to increase forward momentum, and get out of your trap. Again,,, do not SPIN those tires, and use PROPER snow tires. Those tires are mandatory where I live. All-season, or all-weather tires are fine for light precipatation on good roads,,,,, definitely NOT for off-roading.
this guys a JOKE! yet hes making money on 250k followers. this is proof our country is filled with stuoid peoplelistening to stupid guys schilling their uneducated reviews. clickbait schilling scammer... all those links he posts he makes money on....real honest reviews huh?
Lv L you missed the the point. The price he pays would be Honda banning him from testing their press cars, just like why toyota banned him. Do you expect him to buy snow tires for every winter review? Who's going to reimburse him? You? Honda?
This guy can't drive for crap. This was a perfect example of how to dig a hole to bury your vehicle. A better driver would not have gotten hung up so easily. Experience is key here. Can't be turning the wheels so hard back and forth dude!
I'm agree with you,such incompetence driver performance. Turning wheel full in both directions without proper grip on the wheels was overkill. Also take in consideration that he do his litle trip without proper tyre speak abuot him, self confidence is not only that you need. Usual commonsense are more appropriate. Why he didnt try mustang on the same hill??
First big mistake he made was driving without tire chains. The next big mistake he made was turning the wheel while trying to go forward. What he needed to do was get some momentum, then turn the wheels.
Agreed I was watching him make almost every single rookie driver mistake and thinking um this guy has no idea how to drive in snow. He even compounded it by spinning the wheels. Does he have no idea what the lower gears do? And then there is the turning while accelerating while stuck in snow.
Seem to be paid by some company. Driving in snow but no shovel ?? Way you turn/spin the tires Is not logic in that situation. Need to check the tire also if they’r made to run on this kind of condition.
G V The last CR-V’s all-wheel drive system used a fixed 60:40 (front/rear) torque split when engaged and could only send power rearward if it detected wheel slip on the front axle. The new CR-V ditches this old-style system for a far more-sophisticated setup. The new CR-V’s system now calculates the torque needed and where it should be distributed based on factors like acceleration, throttle position, yaw and steering wheel angle. Unlike the old system, this new one can send torque rearward on dry pavement to aid handling. The new system should be far better on snowy roads too because it can send 57-percent more torque rearward than the old one. If those front wheels are stuck on a sheet of ice, Nagadome says the system can route 100 percent of the available torque to the rear wheels. Read more: autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/first-drive-2017-honda-cr-v#ixzz4XhI4UYRO
Makes sense. Family member of mine has an EX AWD. The AWD is good if you mash the accelerator on snow, but it always feels lethargic. I have a '16 Mazda CX-5 AWD and it is one of the best AWD systems Ive ever had.
Could you please upload a picture of the new AWD rear differential and the old 4th gen AWD rear differential so we can compare?? Also if possible give us the part number of new rear differential. Who is Nagadome??????? Can we see more info on torque tests ? No mention of torque vectoring. It seems that torque vectoring is a standard feature on ALL CR-V models called AHA.
Panayiotis Palmiris I hope you're not asking me for that stuff lmao I just got that stuff from that website and I think a few other websites say the same thing about the new awd system. The pilot and ridgeline pretty much have SH-AWD. Front and rear torque vectoring and side to side in the rear wheels.
Fadic 4 I am adding another tech on CR-V 2017 which you forgot to mention.Agile Handling Assist (AHA) - VSA torque vectoring at last Standard on all CR-V trims, Agile Handling Assist (AHA) uses brake torque vectoring to improve turn-in response and corner traceability. By applying braking force to the inside wheels during cornering at high lateral G, the system creates a yaw moment, thus generating more turning force and reducing understeer.
This cat doesn't know how to drive. The worst thing to do ,is to gun your and engine and steer the front wheel from side to side. Next time, everyman driver ,keep your front wheel straight and rock the vehicle gently from reverse to forward and you will have a different outcome
Dude, stop turning the wheel constantly back and forth when you're stuck! Go straight back then straight forward even if it is inches at a time until you can gain momentum and climb over the ruts.
The stock tires the CRV comes with (as most all new cars) are built optimally as low-rolling resistant and quiet for dry, flat and smooth pavement. The CRV is not to be confused w/a real off-roader, but no SUV stands a chance with tires that aren't meant for those conditions.
I would have love to see a 2017 Subaru Outback or Forester tackle the same road. Also, I would have like to see the 2017 Honda CRV tackle that same road with snow tires.
I'm not sure about that. The Subaru symmetrical AWD system is very impressive. If the 2017 Foster gets stuck with snow tires So, would the 2017 Outback with snow tires. I've owned a 1997 Subaru and I have never been stuck in a situation that I couldn't get out of in my Subaru. Unless my tires were bald or bad.
Mister X How do you know snow tyres would make a difference?? Please show us. A great AWD system still needs to solve the following problem: overheat issues (such as install an external cooler or a rear differential with fins) and a good automatic gearbox. CVT is not a proven technology for AWD cars in high torque low gear situations, as it is knows to slip (not a gear type interlock but a friction type).
Panayiotis Palmiris Snow Tires have been proven to make a difference. But we don't know if it would still get stuck with snow tires. Even on normal pavement on a front wheel drive vehicle, Snow tires would make a difference on city streets.
Thanks for the video Dave... What I kept thinking when you INITIALLY got stuck... Rule #1... "When offroad traction is lost... keep the wheels straight and throttle ON."
It was CRAZY for him to even attempt this in a CRV AWD or not. Nothing but a Subie or something with TRUE 4WD could handle these kinds of conditions. THAT SAID, it does NOT mean the CRV is a bad vehicle. It will get you through what the "MAJORITY" of individuals will be facing in bad weather. But if you like doing rec off roading your looking at the wrong vehicle. There are CERTAINLY good and bad AWD systems and the CRV is NOT meant for this type of terrain.
Thank you for the video, Dave. As other commenters have mentioned, and as you eluded to in your video, this was a deep and wet snow that would have required snow tires for any vehicle to make it through that day. And, no one buys a CR-V to do serious off-roading. However, it would be good to know your thoughts on the AWD system for two purposes: snowy road conditions / snowy driveways. I did notice with your cameras that at least the system was spinning both the front and rear tires all the time. Did it do that on its own or did you have to hit a button to "lock" in the AWD (like what the Rogue and Tucson have)? Does the Honda have a button for the driver to have the option to decide to be in AWD for snowy conditions or does the CR-V have to decide this? Thank you, Dave.
The toyota rav4 lock capability is up to 25mph . Above this it gets automatically disengaged. Also is RAV4 using CVT transmission ???? From the AWD test I have seen its AWD performance is not better than CR-Vs, they are about the same. Would be a nice add on though if a proper lock mode is offered, with a proper center differential 1. I would like to see CR-V with ESP torque vectoring. 2. Diagonal tests for CR-V 3. Fins on its rear differential or an external differential cooler.. 4. Symmetrical test same as that of Forester. CR-V was not tested in off road situations, thus Honda never saw the need to improve the rear differential cooling capacity.
RAV4's All Wheel Drive is a bit better than the CR-V. The CVT is only on the RAV4 Hybrid, otherwise the RAV4 has a 6 speed rather than the CRV's CVT. The lock capability is up to 25MPH but if you are in a situation that requires 50-50 lock, most likely you aren't going to exceed that speed. Over 25MPH the RAV4's system can still send enough power to the back. The Mazda CX-5 I think has one of the most interesting AWD systems on the market.
lmao CR-V and Honda in general has nothing to do with offroading.Tiguan FWD 2.0 failed of course.Take the Tiguan V6 4motion,and will kick even Q5 or Toyotas
Where he got stuck.. A Subaru would have made it without a problem.. Look at the video, the CR-V barely sends any power to the rear axle. It looks like FWD that sends small pulses of power to the rear.
YES you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. The tires should be WINTER TIRES NOT ALL SEASON TIRES and, that is a lot of snow. In defense of the honda crv though, there are NO LOCKING DIFFS TO USE the crv does not have a HARD CORE AWD SYSTEM like the SUBARU FORRESTER DOES. Know your limits.
Dont mind but you need to learn how to drive in snow, you keep locking front wheels left or right all the way. Which is causing to stick and keep diging.. and by the way im toyota fan...
I can tell you that my 2016 Highlander would have reacted in the same way. The first time I almost didn't make it home in a couple of inches of snow, I purchased four Blizak tires for winter. The best investment I've ever made.
I learned something AFTER I got stuck in my 2014 during a blizzard. I needed to disable my stability control. It's mentioned in my manual ("In certain unusual conditions when your vehicle gets stuck in shallow mud or fresh snow, it may be easier to free it with VSA temporarily switched off"). I actually can't wait to try it 🤔🙄😁
Rahman Shafique Unfortunately I live in New Mexico and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees today). Of course now that I said that - a blizzard will arrive tomorrow
LonerSurfer I know. I have a Pilot and I wanted to drive it a lot this winter. It snowed 2 ft 2 weeks ago. I live in NYC. It's Mid February AND ITS 60F.
When you started getting stuck you cut the wheels to hard left to right . You should have not panicked and back up whith you front wheels sraight . I drove a last gen pilot in a snow storm last year and was sliding around . I dont know how there 4x4 works but it didnt seem effective to me . Dont know if it has been changed or not. Also you dont seem like a rugged outdoor type with your pritty yellow sneakers on , how about dressing like your giong out to do something not going shopping at the mall.
I'd still really like to see this review in the snow, could you try again? Also, could you have the rear camera on the back bumper facing forward so both of the wheels are visible on the same side of the vehicle in the same camera view?
I do agree that the conditions were too bad for most vehicles like the CR-V to handle. However, you can see in the video how the CR-V is failing to transfer power properly to different wheels. The CR-V is front-wheel-drive bias. If it could transfer power properly, that may have helped somewhat. You still would have probably gotten stuck like you did, but a worthless AWD system doesn't help.
Yeah, the snow this winter here in Spokane is particularly crappy, even with as much as it's melted off to date. I'm not all that suprised the Honda CR-V got stuck in that slop. Still... all-season tires? You know better than that!
Is there any irony that this was a 4-runner that pulled him out.... the same vehicle that he put in the deep mud puddle and fortunately got out of? I love the videos! Keep up the great work!
But they have AWD... 🤣🤣 It's crazy how well marketing has convinced people AWD/4x4 is the solution to winter weather. I tell people I choose a FWD + good Winters like WS90 over a stock All Season SUV AWD anyday for snowy/icy paved roads. Who cares if you use that AWD for the first 10secs of starting and then be underequipped the rest of the way. I run the latest Blizzaks on both my AWD SUV and FWD Van and have no problem taking my VAN up to the ski slopes if there is a need for the extra space. I wondered years ago when I sold my Subaru Outback w/ Blizzaks for a larger Family VAN (Sienna) if it would do well enough on good tires to still take it to the mountains. I was convinced the first winter I drove it with winters. A few years ago I tested it against my neighbors 2019 Subaru Accent with stock tires and the Subaru was barely faster on start but I destroyed it on braking. Why spend the money to buy such an awesome AWD vehicle and not equip it with good tires.
@45eno awd isn't the end all be all but is an extra safety precaution especially for winter. It's nice to know you have awd But of course, winter tires are a must for any vehicle.
Are those stock all-season tires? I've read that they are so bad, it's practically deadly to drive these in winter. There was even a video with a test here somewhere...
Question ... of all the new cuv's mini suv's who in your opinion has the best all-wheel-drive system Toyota RAV4 / Nissan Rogue / Honda CR-V or the Mazda cx3 ???
My 1999 handled all the snowy roads and hills in my area with zero problems. I loved iit so much that when I sold it I got a 2010 CRV to replace it. Great vehicle for winter commuting. Makes driving easier than any 2wd car I've ever owned.
Hi Dave, I just bought a Cr-v 2017, I am just wondering after i watched your video, Can CR-V handle snow well over all? I am not a off road guy, but I am worry driving on snow or snow hills. Can Cr-v handle light snow?
Sean Dong hello , I am planning to buy EXL AWD one question on the mpg is it matching the estimated mpg ? also do you EX AWD ? could you please share real world mpg you are getting and general feedback on the car ? Thank you.
The mpg is around 26.5--27.2mpg. It is great car, It can handle snow or ice road very well, and the car turn very well, I believe anyone would enjoy driving a CRV.
Tom Chan I agree. The CR-V absolutely stinks as an AWD vehicle. They are always getting bashed for their mediocre AWD system. They're terrible. This video just proves it. My neighbor has A Forester and even he bragged how well my 2 RAV4'S do in deep snow. If people would stop thinking the CRV is A better car and start watching more videos where the CRV fails in snow deeper than 4", they wouldnt have to worry about the snow.
I have Honda CRV 2016, I live in Iceland and i Have never had any problem in Snow or very deep snow, With my honda CRV 2016. So this new Model must have some problems?
Wow. For an experimented northern driver, thats painful to watch. No one i know would get stuck in this situation. Wrong technique, wrong tires, wrong shoes ;)
We’re you cutting the wheel left and right to get it stuck on purpose, I don’t even like Honda’s but it’s almost like you did it on purpose or you don’t know what your doing
Who's to blame? AWD in perfect working order AND working, or the guy going off road in the snow with no snow tires? And you dare calling this BS a review?
Is this still part time AWD like the older models? I was reading online (forget where) that the new system is improved and full time(ish?) like Subaru...?
Great Video, but it would be good to see how it compares to the competition(RAV4 , Forester, etc..). After watching this video I would think that the AWD is not very good. Does this vehicle even compare?
Considering that CRV has all weather tires on it instead of studded snow tires, I'd say it did pretty good. A damn sight better than my Chrysler would have done anyway.
Snow tires needed! Studded would be even better and chains would be idea! Honda USA PR get with it! Thanks to a 4Runner! Dave got unstuck. I know what it feels like to stuck in snow! Terrible feeling, very stressful!
AWD overheated otherwise Dave would not give up. just observe rear wheels towards the end. Disappointed but with fresh snow it is so much this AWD system can handle offroad. Honda should pay for a repeat. :) but this time with snow tyres.
You have to disable VSA or the AWD system try’s to keep you on the road, not get unstuck. Disabling VSA allows all wheels to spin. Also the 5th Gen AWD CR-V has 8.2” of clearance, FWD is 7.8”. The 4Runner has 9” of clearance so don’t think lack of clearance was the big issue here, snow or AT tires might have given you enough to make it with the VSA turned off & proper steering / snow driving techniques were applied.
Hi Dave, my question is why the car doesn't have the winter tires, maybe the results it will be better for road test. It is possible the next snow test to be with winter tires. Thanks :)
You might want to brush o=up on your winter driving. You do not turn the wheel of the vehicle when trying to get out of a rut. The wheels needs to be kept straight, once you get forward momentum then turn the wheels.
Throw some weight in the back during winter snow falls and upgrade the tires... also good to keep some climbing rope in the back trunk if you get jammed up, wrap it through the rim over the tire and you'll get some extra traction.
My 2010 cr-v was horrible in the snow. Winters in West Virginia require the ability to lock in all 4wheels. My Rogue has a AWD lock and I’ve been impressed with rogues ability to plow thru snow.
Just a suggestion. Whenever you get stuck in this kind of situation, use your transmission to your advantage. To get out of a sticky situation, put your gears down into the lowest gear you can get it to go. When I drove for the Auto Auction, I learned this trick, and it worked very well even on Land Rovers. I have a 2007 Toyota Matrix Auto FWD, and I use my lowest gear to get out of a rut in the snow. I slowly drive nice and easy right out of the snow. I also have winter tires mind you, but even with winter tires you can get stuck. So many people I have seen get stuck even with a huge amount of snow, and they just keep on spinning their tires because they are in the high gear. I come along and give them my trick, and with a little push away they go. Just a little suggestion that could help.
We have the 2015 FWD only CRV with studded snow tyres in winter. This car is HOPELESS in even light snow and gets itself stuck in anything over 20 cm . Comfortable and well designed interior and a pleasure to drive anytime other than in snow
I was always taught to keep your wheels straight when you get stuck. It's the path of least resistance, until you can get up some speed and break over the snow.
I feel 4 X 4 are still better on this type of terrain especially the old ones, new ones are not that powerful! These new type of compact city SUVs are not meant for rough road like this, please do not take them seriously!
I've had three CR-V's since they came out in 1997. They are all still being driven (family heirlooms, let's say). I live in the Midwest where we get plenty of snow. I've never had an issue getting stuck. For one thing, you rock the vehicle with front wheels in line with the rear wheels, not continuously turning the steering wheels and going nowhere. You also don't slow down in numerous inches of wet snow or you will get stuck. I wouldn't say the CR-V is a fail because it wasn't made to off-road in snow or sand or mud like some other vehicles with those intended uses. The fail is your driving. Sorry, but I have to disagree with your "conclusion." It's like saying a Jeep Wrangler isn't luxurious compared to a Cadillac.
Brigid Cronin My 1999 has no problem with the snow, just turned 300,000 !!
My crv is bionic
My 09 Rav4 V6 would crush all of your cars off-road, but, yeah, this guy can't drive. I kept saying to myself "why is he rocking it at angles instead of in a straight line?" and "Why is he stopping after he just got going? What's wrong with him?"
My sentiments exactly. At the 4:00 min mark, when he started to move forward, he CUT The WHEEL. left (edit- stopping him dead, he's now plowing snow with his tires).. Always keep the wheels straight when stuck.. Even though he wanted to turn around you still want to al least create a track to do it in..
Yup seems like common sense to keep the drive wheels straight, not all the way to the left or to the right. Maybe it was intentionally lol
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chongolongos I doubt Toyota will ever response anything I do :-)
redsky 921 like a locking differential? Two guesses
He is right he was paid by Subaru as Toyota will never go that low
No, I don't think so. I have a 2016 CRV EX AWD and it really suck driving in snowy roads. Resale the CRV and go back to Rav4 although the rav4 does no handle and drive as nice as the CRV....it is solid in snowy conditions. In dry condition, the CRV rock but snow times....it suck.
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I live in a climate where snow lasts 4-5 months per year. Dedicated SNOW tires are a must. This video's failure, was in not clearly identifying the difference proper snow tires can make, it had nothing to do with the vehicles' capabilities.
Unfortunately, poor driver technique also came into play here. When you're stuck in deep snow, do NOT SPIN the tires. Spin creates heat, snow melts momentarily, re-freezes, turns to ice= zero traction. Also,,, DO NOT turn the wheels side to side as you try to escape a rut. Rock the vehicle gently back and forth in a straight line, crushing the snow in front of, and behind the wheels. Once you have a few feet of flattened snow fore and aft of your wheels, you can back up to the point of resistance,,, stop,,,, then gradually forward, you'll be able to use the now elongated rut in front of the wheels, to increase forward momentum, and get out of your trap. Again,,, do not SPIN those tires, and use PROPER snow tires. Those tires are mandatory where I live.
All-season, or all-weather tires are fine for light precipatation on good roads,,,,, definitely NOT for off-roading.
This is hands down the best written instructions on how to get out of snow. Impeccable.
"I don't recommend this, but I know what I'm doing!" Famous last words.
this guys a JOKE! yet hes making money on 250k followers. this is proof our country is filled with stuoid peoplelistening to stupid guys schilling their uneducated reviews. clickbait schilling scammer... all those links he posts he makes money on....real honest reviews huh?
Bro. You can't drive.
Go back with snow tires and go the same route....
gregnice25 whos going to pay for said snow tires?
Lv L you missed the the point. The price he pays would be Honda banning him from testing their press cars, just like why toyota banned him. Do you expect him to buy snow tires for every winter review? Who's going to reimburse him? You? Honda?
with a true all wheel drive system snow tires are not needed. all season radials will suffice that are well-rated for mud/snow traction.
Gregarious Solitudinist My 2014 Subaru Forestor XT with all season radicals would have easily handled that. Honda AWD stinks.
Roma12 radicals? If the snow is wet and you don’t have snow tires your stuck. Radicals sheesh
This guy can't drive for crap. This was a perfect example of how to dig a hole to bury your vehicle. A better driver would not have gotten hung up so easily. Experience is key here. Can't be turning the wheels so hard back and forth dude!
I'm agree with you,such incompetence driver performance. Turning wheel full in both directions without proper grip on the wheels was overkill. Also take in consideration that he do his litle trip without proper tyre speak abuot him, self confidence is not only that you need. Usual commonsense are more appropriate. Why he didnt try mustang on the same hill??
haha and then staying together idk I mean you got out
Yes, he has no off-road skills, but worst of all he drove down there, that’s lack of common sense too!
First big mistake he made was driving without tire chains. The next big mistake he made was turning the wheel while trying to go forward. What he needed to do was get some momentum, then turn the wheels.
Agreed I was watching him make almost every single rookie driver mistake and thinking um this guy has no idea how to drive in snow. He even compounded it by spinning the wheels. Does he have no idea what the lower gears do? And then there is the turning while accelerating while stuck in snow.
Seem to be paid by some company.
Driving in snow but no shovel ??
Way you turn/spin the tires
Is not logic in that situation.
Need to check the tire also if they’r made to run on this kind of condition.
Tires are to blame for this one. I can tell that the AWD is much more active in the '17 in this video than the lousy AWD in the 16's
G V The last CR-V’s all-wheel drive system used a fixed 60:40 (front/rear) torque split when engaged and could only send power rearward if it detected wheel slip on the front axle. The new CR-V ditches this old-style system for a far more-sophisticated setup. The new CR-V’s system now calculates the torque needed and where it should be distributed based on factors like acceleration, throttle position, yaw and steering wheel angle. Unlike the old system, this new one can send torque rearward on dry pavement to aid handling. The new system should be far better on snowy roads too because it can send 57-percent more torque rearward than the old one. If those front wheels are stuck on a sheet of ice, Nagadome says the system can route 100 percent of the available torque to the rear wheels.
Read more: autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/first-drive-2017-honda-cr-v#ixzz4XhI4UYRO
Makes sense. Family member of mine has an EX AWD. The AWD is good if you mash the accelerator on snow, but it always feels lethargic. I have a '16 Mazda CX-5 AWD and it is one of the best AWD systems Ive ever had.
Could you please upload a picture of the new AWD rear differential and the old 4th gen AWD rear differential so we can compare?? Also if possible give us the part number of new rear differential. Who is Nagadome??????? Can we see more info on torque tests ? No mention of torque vectoring. It seems that torque vectoring is a standard feature on ALL CR-V models called AHA.
Panayiotis Palmiris I hope you're not asking me for that stuff lmao I just got that stuff from that website and I think a few other websites say the same thing about the new awd system. The pilot and ridgeline pretty much have SH-AWD. Front and rear torque vectoring and side to side in the rear wheels.
Fadic 4 I am adding another tech on CR-V 2017 which you forgot to mention.Agile Handling Assist (AHA) - VSA torque vectoring at last
Standard on all CR-V trims, Agile Handling Assist (AHA) uses brake
torque vectoring to improve turn-in response and corner traceability. By
applying braking force to the inside wheels during cornering at high
lateral G, the system creates a yaw moment, thus generating more turning force and reducing understeer.
This cat doesn't know how to drive. The worst thing to do ,is to gun your and engine and steer the front wheel from side to side. Next time, everyman driver ,keep your front wheel straight and rock the vehicle gently from reverse to forward and you will have a different outcome
You da MVP!!
did you dis-engaged the vsa system? if not, you're suppose to when the vehiclenis stuck
Dude, stop turning the wheel constantly back and forth when you're stuck! Go straight back then straight forward even if it is inches at a time until you can gain momentum and climb over the ruts.
The stock tires the CRV comes with (as most all new cars) are built optimally as low-rolling resistant and quiet for dry, flat and smooth pavement. The CRV is not to be confused w/a real off-roader, but no SUV stands a chance with tires that aren't meant for those conditions.
I would have love to see a 2017 Subaru Outback or Forester tackle the same road. Also, I would have like to see the 2017 Honda CRV tackle that same road with snow tires.
Mister X with the OEM tires they would have had the same problem.
Snow tires would definitely make a difference.
I'm not sure about that. The Subaru symmetrical AWD system is very impressive. If the 2017 Foster gets stuck with snow tires So, would the 2017 Outback with snow tires. I've owned a 1997 Subaru and I have never been stuck in a situation that I couldn't get out of in my Subaru. Unless my tires were bald or bad.
Mister X How do you know snow tyres would make a difference?? Please show us. A great AWD system still needs to solve the following problem: overheat issues (such as install an external cooler or a rear differential with fins) and a good automatic gearbox. CVT is not a proven technology for AWD cars in high torque low gear situations, as it is knows to slip (not a gear type interlock but a friction type).
Panayiotis Palmiris Snow Tires have been proven to make a difference. But we don't know if it would still get stuck with snow tires. Even on normal pavement on a front wheel drive vehicle, Snow tires would make a difference on city streets.
he doesn't know how to drive in the snow keep the tires straight and rock the car , this was hard to watch
Agreed
wouldn't it have helped to also drop the car into the lower gear. Either 1 or 2?
Ditto
Very true, go from D to R and use snow tires. Also why wasn't he wearing winter boots 🤣😂🤔
JayDuke good point it looks like somebody from Canada
I have both a 2000 crv and 4runner limited.. the hondas biggest failure is the operator...
oahahahahaha!!!!!!!
going down there with wrong tires, wrong shoes and no showel!😂😂
I have a CR-V AWD 2017 the base model and I tested through the heavy snow it was magnificent
zero snow driving skills
Zero? Speak for yourself.
Everyman Driver not zero skills in driving on the snow but definitely zero skills in choosing the right tires...
Zaur has a point , But he doesn't own the car soooo maybe thats why.
Hmmm where are the snow tyres? I heard you said it has snow tyres mounted?
Thanks for the video Dave... What I kept thinking when you INITIALLY got stuck... Rule #1... "When offroad traction is lost... keep the wheels straight and throttle ON."
you should know that all season tire won't cut it. I have winters on my 2005 crv and she is good even in deeper snow
So nice to see that there are still such kind, caring people out there who are willing to help.
jazzygirl24100 thats the off road community, and I love them.
+JUKEBOX nissan sure if you can compared with honda civic hybrid in that snow white and copy the crv is nice to see it run in N.Y...
That's the norm when offroading.. Everyone helps!
It was CRAZY for him to even attempt this in a CRV AWD or not. Nothing but a Subie or something with TRUE 4WD could handle these kinds of conditions. THAT SAID, it does NOT mean the CRV is a bad vehicle. It will get you through what the "MAJORITY" of individuals will be facing in bad weather. But if you like doing rec off roading your looking at the wrong vehicle. There are CERTAINLY good and bad AWD systems and the CRV is NOT meant for this type of terrain.
can you do this again next winter with traction controll off?
Thank you for the video, Dave. As other commenters have mentioned, and as you eluded to in your video, this was a deep and wet snow that would have required snow tires for any vehicle to make it through that day. And, no one buys a CR-V to do serious off-roading. However, it would be good to know your thoughts on the AWD system for two purposes: snowy road conditions / snowy driveways. I did notice with your cameras that at least the system was spinning both the front and rear tires all the time. Did it do that on its own or did you have to hit a button to "lock" in the AWD (like what the Rogue and Tucson have)? Does the Honda have a button for the driver to have the option to decide to be in AWD for snowy conditions or does the CR-V have to decide this? Thank you, Dave.
There is no "lock" function on the CR-V. It is all automatically done, which is unfortunate. I do prefer cars with that feature.
The 2016 Toyota Rav4 has a push button locking 4 wheel.😄
The toyota rav4 lock capability is up to 25mph . Above this it gets automatically disengaged. Also is RAV4 using CVT transmission ???? From the AWD test I have seen its AWD performance is not better than CR-Vs, they are about the same. Would be a nice add on though if a proper lock mode is offered, with a proper center differential
1. I would like to see CR-V with ESP torque vectoring.
2. Diagonal tests for CR-V
3. Fins on its rear differential or an external differential cooler..
4. Symmetrical test same as that of Forester.
CR-V was not tested in off road situations, thus Honda never saw the need to improve the rear differential cooling capacity.
RAV4's All Wheel Drive is a bit better than the CR-V. The CVT is only on the RAV4 Hybrid, otherwise the RAV4 has a 6 speed rather than the CRV's CVT. The lock capability is up to 25MPH but if you are in a situation that requires 50-50 lock, most likely you aren't going to exceed that speed. Over 25MPH the RAV4's system can still send enough power to the back.
The Mazda CX-5 I think has one of the most interesting AWD systems on the market.
Keep those wheels straight when attempting to power out of a snow bank!
Sorry you got stuck, but that snow is way too wet, icy, and deep for those all season tires. Any SUV this sized will have trouble in that stuff. :)
Justin David lol Tiguan has no probs
lmao CR-V and Honda in general has nothing to do with offroading.Tiguan FWD 2.0 failed of course.Take the Tiguan V6 4motion,and will kick even Q5 or Toyotas
Where he got stuck.. A Subaru would have made it without a problem.. Look at the video, the CR-V barely sends any power to the rear axle. It looks like FWD that sends small pulses of power to the rear.
YES you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. The tires should be WINTER TIRES NOT ALL SEASON TIRES and, that is a lot of snow. In defense of the honda crv though, there are NO LOCKING DIFFS TO USE the crv does not have a HARD CORE AWD SYSTEM like the SUBARU FORRESTER DOES. Know your limits.
My 09 Rav4 V6 has never gotten stuck in snow like this or even deep water.
I was planning on buying a 2017 Honda CRV, but after this video it's clear the Toyota 4 Runner is what I need to be looking at! Thanks!
Where did you learn to drive in the snow?
AWD does not equal FWD.
And turning the wheel when trying to get untsuck.... well, as you can see, doesn't work out so well
Dont mind but you need to learn how to drive in snow, you keep locking front wheels left or right all the way. Which is causing to stick and keep diging.. and by the way im toyota fan...
I can tell you that my 2016 Highlander would have reacted in the same way. The first time I almost didn't make it home in a couple of inches of snow, I purchased four Blizak tires for winter. The best investment I've ever made.
Do u think that it does good in the snow?
Show us :)
Truly you acted like you been on snow first time. Reverse back on your previous track..
I learned something AFTER I got stuck in my 2014 during a blizzard. I needed to disable my stability control. It's mentioned in my manual ("In certain unusual conditions when your vehicle gets stuck in shallow mud or fresh snow, it may be easier to free it with VSA temporarily switched off"). I actually can't wait to try it 🤔🙄😁
LonerSurfer Tell me how it goes, it seems interesting!
Rahman Shafique Unfortunately I live in New Mexico and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees today).
Of course now that I said that - a blizzard will arrive tomorrow
LonerSurfer I know. I have a Pilot and I wanted to drive it a lot this winter. It snowed 2 ft 2 weeks ago. I live in NYC. It's Mid February AND ITS 60F.
Discovered that, too, after a bad New England winter. Diabling the VSA helps if you get stuck.
You need to keep a straight line when the bottom falls out, then easy rock back n forth.....!
When you started getting stuck you cut the wheels to hard left to right . You should have not panicked and back up whith you front wheels sraight . I drove a last gen pilot in a snow storm last year and was sliding around . I dont know how there 4x4 works but it didnt seem effective to me . Dont know if it has been changed or not. Also you dont seem like a rugged outdoor type with your pritty yellow sneakers on , how about dressing like your giong out to do something not going shopping at the mall.
I'd still really like to see this review in the snow, could you try again? Also, could you have the rear camera on the back bumper facing forward so both of the wheels are visible on the same side of the vehicle in the same camera view?
At least he admitted it wasn't the CRV's fault, with the tires and ground clearance combo there is no way this was going to work.
I do agree that the conditions were too bad for most vehicles like the CR-V to handle. However, you can see in the video how the CR-V is failing to transfer power properly to different wheels. The CR-V is front-wheel-drive bias. If it could transfer power properly, that may have helped somewhat. You still would have probably gotten stuck like you did, but a worthless AWD system doesn't help.
I can't believe Toyota won't give you another 4runner to review..... I learned from this review is that the 4runner is awesome!
Straighten your wheels when you try to go forward or backwards....
Gary Simms ok, thx.
Yeah, the snow this winter here in Spokane is particularly crappy, even with as much as it's melted off to date. I'm not all that suprised the Honda CR-V got stuck in that slop. Still... all-season tires? You know better than that!
does the doors lock automatically when you leave the car? If not how do you set up that feature?
Is there any irony that this was a 4-runner that pulled him out.... the same vehicle that he put in the deep mud puddle and fortunately got out of? I love the videos! Keep up the great work!
TOYOTA for the win. But seriously, snow tires on the CR-V would've prevented this entire ordeal.
How old is the 4Runner and was it equipped with winter tires
A review of all seasons vs winter tires would be very helpful in letting everyone know the superiority of using the proper tires in wintertime
But they have AWD... 🤣🤣
It's crazy how well marketing has convinced people AWD/4x4 is the solution to winter weather. I tell people I choose a FWD + good Winters like WS90 over a stock All Season SUV AWD anyday for snowy/icy paved roads. Who cares if you use that AWD for the first 10secs of starting and then be underequipped the rest of the way. I run the latest Blizzaks on both my AWD SUV and FWD Van and have no problem taking my VAN up to the ski slopes if there is a need for the extra space. I wondered years ago when I sold my Subaru Outback w/ Blizzaks for a larger Family VAN (Sienna) if it would do well enough on good tires to still take it to the mountains. I was convinced the first winter I drove it with winters. A few years ago I tested it against my neighbors 2019 Subaru Accent with stock tires and the Subaru was barely faster on start but I destroyed it on braking. Why spend the money to buy such an awesome AWD vehicle and not equip it with good tires.
@45eno awd isn't the end all be all but is an extra safety precaution especially for winter. It's nice to know you have awd
But of course, winter tires are a must for any vehicle.
Okay, that's fun but how did you get to (drive into) your starting point in the first place?
Are those stock all-season tires? I've read that they are so bad, it's practically deadly to drive these in winter. There was even a video with a test here somewhere...
What kind of tires were on ? Looked like really crap tyres
Question ... of all the new cuv's mini suv's who in your opinion has the best all-wheel-drive system Toyota RAV4 / Nissan Rogue / Honda CR-V or the Mazda cx3 ???
My 1999 handled all the snowy roads and hills in my area with zero problems. I loved iit so much that when I sold it I got a 2010 CRV to replace it.
Great vehicle for winter commuting. Makes driving easier than any 2wd car I've ever owned.
Hi Dave, I just bought a Cr-v 2017, I am just wondering after i watched your video, Can CR-V handle snow well over all? I am not a off road guy, but I am worry driving on snow or snow hills. Can Cr-v handle light snow?
Sean Dong hello , I am planning to buy EXL AWD one question on the mpg is it matching the estimated mpg ? also do you EX AWD ? could you please share real world mpg you are getting and general feedback on the car ? Thank you.
It is good
The mpg is around 26.5--27.2mpg. It is great car, It can handle snow or ice road very well, and the car turn very well, I believe anyone would enjoy driving a CRV.
Sean Dong You have bought a city AWD vehicle. CRV is no match to handle this situation compare to RAV4 or Forrester.
Tom Chan I agree. The CR-V absolutely stinks as an AWD vehicle. They are always getting bashed for their mediocre AWD system. They're terrible. This video just proves it. My neighbor has A Forester and even he bragged how well my 2 RAV4'S do in deep snow. If people would stop thinking the CRV is A better car and start watching more videos where the CRV fails in snow deeper than 4", they wouldnt have to worry about the snow.
Yeah.. Not the CRV fault. Sooo good to have good people ❤❤❤
why in the he'll are you turning the wheels all over the place? Did you try L gear and ease it out? Did you take it out of traction control?
Keep your wheels straight until you get moving. Never turn you wheels fully and then apply power. You dug yourself a hole!
Rob watt and M chase.....I agree with you both.
I was thinking the same thing......
I kept saying "don't do it, don't do it, DON'T DO IT!" but he won't listen. There you go!
I have Honda CRV 2016, I live in Iceland and i Have never had any problem in Snow or very deep snow, With my honda CRV 2016. So this new Model must have some problems?
Snow = winter tires. Do you swim with a Jacket?
Wow. For an experimented northern driver, thats painful to watch. No one i know would get stuck in this situation. Wrong technique, wrong tires, wrong shoes ;)
Hi Dave, do you think maybe offroad or snow tires would've done the job?
We’re you cutting the wheel left and right to get it stuck on purpose, I don’t even like Honda’s but it’s almost like you did it on purpose or you don’t know what your doing
These reviews are great, because you're generally showing how a car is useable and not how it's going to speed through CA canyons.
Who's to blame? AWD in perfect working order AND working, or the guy going off road in the snow with no snow tires? And you dare calling this BS a review?
Is this still part time AWD like the older models? I was reading online (forget where) that the new system is improved and full time(ish?) like Subaru...?
What a day to meet Dave Erickson!
Great Video, but it would be good to see how it compares to the competition(RAV4 , Forester, etc..). After watching this video I would think that the AWD is not very good. Does this vehicle even compare?
Considering that CRV has all weather tires on it instead of studded snow tires, I'd say it did pretty good. A damn sight better than my Chrysler would have done anyway.
Should have gone through that. I have been through worse than that. Did you turn the traction control off?. You just kept spinning the same wheel!
Dave deserves 1M subscribers, he does such good job demonstrating cars. This channel is way better than stupid biased reviewers out there.
winter tires must be put on the car to run a test!
Snow tires needed! Studded would be even better and chains would be idea! Honda USA PR get with it! Thanks to a 4Runner! Dave got unstuck. I know what it feels like to stuck in snow! Terrible feeling, very stressful!
AWD overheated otherwise Dave would not give up. just observe rear wheels towards the end. Disappointed but with fresh snow it is so much this AWD system can handle offroad. Honda should pay for a repeat. :) but this time with snow tyres.
how does the RAV4 compare to CRVs abilities in snow?
Those are not snow tyres!!!!! Or are some kind of all season?
You have to disable VSA or the AWD system try’s to keep you on the road, not get unstuck. Disabling VSA allows all wheels to spin.
Also the 5th Gen AWD CR-V has 8.2” of clearance, FWD is 7.8”. The 4Runner has 9” of clearance so don’t think lack of clearance was the big issue here, snow or AT tires might have given you enough to make it with the VSA turned off & proper steering / snow driving techniques were applied.
any car would fail on such surface without snow tires... can't get the logic of this try...
You know the CR-V isn't an "off-road" vehicle right? CR-V is a great vehicle for what it's intended. Driving off-road isn't it.
Hi Dave, my question is why the car doesn't have the winter tires, maybe the results it will be better for road test. It is possible the next snow test to be with winter tires. Thanks :)
You might want to brush o=up on your winter driving. You do not turn the wheel of the vehicle when trying to get out of a rut. The wheels needs to be kept straight, once you get forward momentum then turn the wheels.
Throw some weight in the back during winter snow falls and upgrade the tires... also good to keep some climbing rope in the back trunk if you get jammed up, wrap it through the rim over the tire and you'll get some extra traction.
Driving in Snow 101 ... DON'T turn the wheels all the way over and expect to move ... and then keep doing that over and over and over. LOL
My 2010 cr-v was horrible in the snow. Winters in West Virginia require the ability to lock in all 4wheels. My Rogue has a AWD lock and I’ve been impressed with rogues ability to plow thru snow.
Just a suggestion. Whenever you get stuck in this kind of situation, use your transmission to your advantage. To get out of a sticky situation, put your gears down into the lowest gear you can get it to go. When I drove for the Auto Auction, I learned this trick, and it worked very well even on Land Rovers. I have a 2007 Toyota Matrix Auto FWD, and I use my lowest gear to get out of a rut in the snow. I slowly drive nice and easy right out of the snow. I also have winter tires mind you, but even with winter tires you can get stuck. So many people I have seen get stuck even with a huge amount of snow, and they just keep on spinning their tires because they are in the high gear. I come along and give them my trick, and with a little push away they go. Just a little suggestion that could help.
Wholesome guys just driving around with windows down to get a breeze going in the heat of WA winter.
Can u tell any difference with the extra power they are allowing to the rear wheels in the new awd setup? Thanks for the vid Dave! 🍺
Yes it send lots of power there at times
We have the 2015 FWD only CRV with studded snow tyres in winter.
This car is HOPELESS in even light snow and gets itself stuck in anything over 20 cm .
Comfortable and well designed interior and a pleasure to drive anytime other than in snow
Will you try off roading in the snow again when it is more manageable? This would be a helpful review to have.
Street tires in the snow? Not too bright.
I was always taught to keep your wheels straight when you get stuck. It's the path of least resistance, until you can get up some speed and break over the snow.
I feel 4 X 4 are still better on this type of terrain especially the old ones, new ones are not that powerful! These new type of compact city SUVs are not meant for rough road like this, please do not take them seriously!
The ground clearance is actually 8.2 inches on the AWD versions. It's 7.8 on the FWD.
Winter tyres?
going off-road with stock allseason tires. BRILIANT
Kudos Dave for posting this. Its not easy to post the fail videos
tires are not for snows. no cars can go through that such conditions with those tires
from your video reviews between this honda crv and mitsubishi outlander, the mitsubishi outlander did pretty much better than the crv..?
Well that’s embarrassing... an OLD Toyota had pull out a new CRV. Yes yes I know... not CRV fault with where Dave drove it 🙄
Cool to see I'm not the only person that wears running sneakers in the snow. Watch for those puddles!