I've had three CR-V's since they came out in 1997. They are all still being driven (family heirlooms, let's say). I live in the Midwest where we get plenty of snow. I've never had an issue getting stuck. For one thing, you rock the vehicle with front wheels in line with the rear wheels, not continuously turning the steering wheels and going nowhere. You also don't slow down in numerous inches of wet snow or you will get stuck. I wouldn't say the CR-V is a fail because it wasn't made to off-road in snow or sand or mud like some other vehicles with those intended uses. The fail is your driving. Sorry, but I have to disagree with your "conclusion." It's like saying a Jeep Wrangler isn't luxurious compared to a Cadillac.
My 09 Rav4 V6 would crush all of your cars off-road, but, yeah, this guy can't drive. I kept saying to myself "why is he rocking it at angles instead of in a straight line?" and "Why is he stopping after he just got going? What's wrong with him?"
My sentiments exactly. At the 4:00 min mark, when he started to move forward, he CUT The WHEEL. left (edit- stopping him dead, he's now plowing snow with his tires).. Always keep the wheels straight when stuck.. Even though he wanted to turn around you still want to al least create a track to do it in..
No, I don't think so. I have a 2016 CRV EX AWD and it really suck driving in snowy roads. Resale the CRV and go back to Rav4 although the rav4 does no handle and drive as nice as the CRV....it is solid in snowy conditions. In dry condition, the CRV rock but snow times....it suck.
this guys a JOKE! yet hes making money on 250k followers. this is proof our country is filled with stuoid peoplelistening to stupid guys schilling their uneducated reviews. clickbait schilling scammer... all those links he posts he makes money on....real honest reviews huh?
I live in a climate where snow lasts 4-5 months per year. Dedicated SNOW tires are a must. This video's failure, was in not clearly identifying the difference proper snow tires can make, it had nothing to do with the vehicles' capabilities. Unfortunately, poor driver technique also came into play here. When you're stuck in deep snow, do NOT SPIN the tires. Spin creates heat, snow melts momentarily, re-freezes, turns to ice= zero traction. Also,,, DO NOT turn the wheels side to side as you try to escape a rut. Rock the vehicle gently back and forth in a straight line, crushing the snow in front of, and behind the wheels. Once you have a few feet of flattened snow fore and aft of your wheels, you can back up to the point of resistance,,, stop,,,, then gradually forward, you'll be able to use the now elongated rut in front of the wheels, to increase forward momentum, and get out of your trap. Again,,, do not SPIN those tires, and use PROPER snow tires. Those tires are mandatory where I live. All-season, or all-weather tires are fine for light precipatation on good roads,,,,, definitely NOT for off-roading.
Lv L you missed the the point. The price he pays would be Honda banning him from testing their press cars, just like why toyota banned him. Do you expect him to buy snow tires for every winter review? Who's going to reimburse him? You? Honda?
I would have love to see a 2017 Subaru Outback or Forester tackle the same road. Also, I would have like to see the 2017 Honda CRV tackle that same road with snow tires.
I'm not sure about that. The Subaru symmetrical AWD system is very impressive. If the 2017 Foster gets stuck with snow tires So, would the 2017 Outback with snow tires. I've owned a 1997 Subaru and I have never been stuck in a situation that I couldn't get out of in my Subaru. Unless my tires were bald or bad.
Mister X How do you know snow tyres would make a difference?? Please show us. A great AWD system still needs to solve the following problem: overheat issues (such as install an external cooler or a rear differential with fins) and a good automatic gearbox. CVT is not a proven technology for AWD cars in high torque low gear situations, as it is knows to slip (not a gear type interlock but a friction type).
Panayiotis Palmiris Snow Tires have been proven to make a difference. But we don't know if it would still get stuck with snow tires. Even on normal pavement on a front wheel drive vehicle, Snow tires would make a difference on city streets.
G V The last CR-V’s all-wheel drive system used a fixed 60:40 (front/rear) torque split when engaged and could only send power rearward if it detected wheel slip on the front axle. The new CR-V ditches this old-style system for a far more-sophisticated setup. The new CR-V’s system now calculates the torque needed and where it should be distributed based on factors like acceleration, throttle position, yaw and steering wheel angle. Unlike the old system, this new one can send torque rearward on dry pavement to aid handling. The new system should be far better on snowy roads too because it can send 57-percent more torque rearward than the old one. If those front wheels are stuck on a sheet of ice, Nagadome says the system can route 100 percent of the available torque to the rear wheels. Read more: autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/first-drive-2017-honda-cr-v#ixzz4XhI4UYRO
Makes sense. Family member of mine has an EX AWD. The AWD is good if you mash the accelerator on snow, but it always feels lethargic. I have a '16 Mazda CX-5 AWD and it is one of the best AWD systems Ive ever had.
Could you please upload a picture of the new AWD rear differential and the old 4th gen AWD rear differential so we can compare?? Also if possible give us the part number of new rear differential. Who is Nagadome??????? Can we see more info on torque tests ? No mention of torque vectoring. It seems that torque vectoring is a standard feature on ALL CR-V models called AHA.
Panayiotis Palmiris I hope you're not asking me for that stuff lmao I just got that stuff from that website and I think a few other websites say the same thing about the new awd system. The pilot and ridgeline pretty much have SH-AWD. Front and rear torque vectoring and side to side in the rear wheels.
Fadic 4 I am adding another tech on CR-V 2017 which you forgot to mention.Agile Handling Assist (AHA) - VSA torque vectoring at last Standard on all CR-V trims, Agile Handling Assist (AHA) uses brake torque vectoring to improve turn-in response and corner traceability. By applying braking force to the inside wheels during cornering at high lateral G, the system creates a yaw moment, thus generating more turning force and reducing understeer.
This guy can't drive for crap. This was a perfect example of how to dig a hole to bury your vehicle. A better driver would not have gotten hung up so easily. Experience is key here. Can't be turning the wheels so hard back and forth dude!
I'm agree with you,such incompetence driver performance. Turning wheel full in both directions without proper grip on the wheels was overkill. Also take in consideration that he do his litle trip without proper tyre speak abuot him, self confidence is not only that you need. Usual commonsense are more appropriate. Why he didnt try mustang on the same hill??
First big mistake he made was driving without tire chains. The next big mistake he made was turning the wheel while trying to go forward. What he needed to do was get some momentum, then turn the wheels.
Agreed I was watching him make almost every single rookie driver mistake and thinking um this guy has no idea how to drive in snow. He even compounded it by spinning the wheels. Does he have no idea what the lower gears do? And then there is the turning while accelerating while stuck in snow.
The stock tires the CRV comes with (as most all new cars) are built optimally as low-rolling resistant and quiet for dry, flat and smooth pavement. The CRV is not to be confused w/a real off-roader, but no SUV stands a chance with tires that aren't meant for those conditions.
Dude, stop turning the wheel constantly back and forth when you're stuck! Go straight back then straight forward even if it is inches at a time until you can gain momentum and climb over the ruts.
It was CRAZY for him to even attempt this in a CRV AWD or not. Nothing but a Subie or something with TRUE 4WD could handle these kinds of conditions. THAT SAID, it does NOT mean the CRV is a bad vehicle. It will get you through what the "MAJORITY" of individuals will be facing in bad weather. But if you like doing rec off roading your looking at the wrong vehicle. There are CERTAINLY good and bad AWD systems and the CRV is NOT meant for this type of terrain.
This cat doesn't know how to drive. The worst thing to do ,is to gun your and engine and steer the front wheel from side to side. Next time, everyman driver ,keep your front wheel straight and rock the vehicle gently from reverse to forward and you will have a different outcome
I learned something AFTER I got stuck in my 2014 during a blizzard. I needed to disable my stability control. It's mentioned in my manual ("In certain unusual conditions when your vehicle gets stuck in shallow mud or fresh snow, it may be easier to free it with VSA temporarily switched off"). I actually can't wait to try it 🤔🙄😁
Rahman Shafique Unfortunately I live in New Mexico and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees today). Of course now that I said that - a blizzard will arrive tomorrow
LonerSurfer I know. I have a Pilot and I wanted to drive it a lot this winter. It snowed 2 ft 2 weeks ago. I live in NYC. It's Mid February AND ITS 60F.
Thanks for the video Dave... What I kept thinking when you INITIALLY got stuck... Rule #1... "When offroad traction is lost... keep the wheels straight and throttle ON."
lmao CR-V and Honda in general has nothing to do with offroading.Tiguan FWD 2.0 failed of course.Take the Tiguan V6 4motion,and will kick even Q5 or Toyotas
Where he got stuck.. A Subaru would have made it without a problem.. Look at the video, the CR-V barely sends any power to the rear axle. It looks like FWD that sends small pulses of power to the rear.
YES you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. The tires should be WINTER TIRES NOT ALL SEASON TIRES and, that is a lot of snow. In defense of the honda crv though, there are NO LOCKING DIFFS TO USE the crv does not have a HARD CORE AWD SYSTEM like the SUBARU FORRESTER DOES. Know your limits.
I can tell you that my 2016 Highlander would have reacted in the same way. The first time I almost didn't make it home in a couple of inches of snow, I purchased four Blizak tires for winter. The best investment I've ever made.
Seem to be paid by some company. Driving in snow but no shovel ?? Way you turn/spin the tires Is not logic in that situation. Need to check the tire also if they’r made to run on this kind of condition.
Yeah, the snow this winter here in Spokane is particularly crappy, even with as much as it's melted off to date. I'm not all that suprised the Honda CR-V got stuck in that slop. Still... all-season tires? You know better than that!
I do agree that the conditions were too bad for most vehicles like the CR-V to handle. However, you can see in the video how the CR-V is failing to transfer power properly to different wheels. The CR-V is front-wheel-drive bias. If it could transfer power properly, that may have helped somewhat. You still would have probably gotten stuck like you did, but a worthless AWD system doesn't help.
You have to disable VSA or the AWD system try’s to keep you on the road, not get unstuck. Disabling VSA allows all wheels to spin. Also the 5th Gen AWD CR-V has 8.2” of clearance, FWD is 7.8”. The 4Runner has 9” of clearance so don’t think lack of clearance was the big issue here, snow or AT tires might have given you enough to make it with the VSA turned off & proper steering / snow driving techniques were applied.
But they have AWD... 🤣🤣 It's crazy how well marketing has convinced people AWD/4x4 is the solution to winter weather. I tell people I choose a FWD + good Winters like WS90 over a stock All Season SUV AWD anyday for snowy/icy paved roads. Who cares if you use that AWD for the first 10secs of starting and then be underequipped the rest of the way. I run the latest Blizzaks on both my AWD SUV and FWD Van and have no problem taking my VAN up to the ski slopes if there is a need for the extra space. I wondered years ago when I sold my Subaru Outback w/ Blizzaks for a larger Family VAN (Sienna) if it would do well enough on good tires to still take it to the mountains. I was convinced the first winter I drove it with winters. A few years ago I tested it against my neighbors 2019 Subaru Accent with stock tires and the Subaru was barely faster on start but I destroyed it on braking. Why spend the money to buy such an awesome AWD vehicle and not equip it with good tires.
@45eno awd isn't the end all be all but is an extra safety precaution especially for winter. It's nice to know you have awd But of course, winter tires are a must for any vehicle.
Throw some weight in the back during winter snow falls and upgrade the tires... also good to keep some climbing rope in the back trunk if you get jammed up, wrap it through the rim over the tire and you'll get some extra traction.
Just a suggestion. Whenever you get stuck in this kind of situation, use your transmission to your advantage. To get out of a sticky situation, put your gears down into the lowest gear you can get it to go. When I drove for the Auto Auction, I learned this trick, and it worked very well even on Land Rovers. I have a 2007 Toyota Matrix Auto FWD, and I use my lowest gear to get out of a rut in the snow. I slowly drive nice and easy right out of the snow. I also have winter tires mind you, but even with winter tires you can get stuck. So many people I have seen get stuck even with a huge amount of snow, and they just keep on spinning their tires because they are in the high gear. I come along and give them my trick, and with a little push away they go. Just a little suggestion that could help.
My 2010 cr-v was horrible in the snow. Winters in West Virginia require the ability to lock in all 4wheels. My Rogue has a AWD lock and I’ve been impressed with rogues ability to plow thru snow.
Thank you for the video, Dave. As other commenters have mentioned, and as you eluded to in your video, this was a deep and wet snow that would have required snow tires for any vehicle to make it through that day. And, no one buys a CR-V to do serious off-roading. However, it would be good to know your thoughts on the AWD system for two purposes: snowy road conditions / snowy driveways. I did notice with your cameras that at least the system was spinning both the front and rear tires all the time. Did it do that on its own or did you have to hit a button to "lock" in the AWD (like what the Rogue and Tucson have)? Does the Honda have a button for the driver to have the option to decide to be in AWD for snowy conditions or does the CR-V have to decide this? Thank you, Dave.
The toyota rav4 lock capability is up to 25mph . Above this it gets automatically disengaged. Also is RAV4 using CVT transmission ???? From the AWD test I have seen its AWD performance is not better than CR-Vs, they are about the same. Would be a nice add on though if a proper lock mode is offered, with a proper center differential 1. I would like to see CR-V with ESP torque vectoring. 2. Diagonal tests for CR-V 3. Fins on its rear differential or an external differential cooler.. 4. Symmetrical test same as that of Forester. CR-V was not tested in off road situations, thus Honda never saw the need to improve the rear differential cooling capacity.
RAV4's All Wheel Drive is a bit better than the CR-V. The CVT is only on the RAV4 Hybrid, otherwise the RAV4 has a 6 speed rather than the CRV's CVT. The lock capability is up to 25MPH but if you are in a situation that requires 50-50 lock, most likely you aren't going to exceed that speed. Over 25MPH the RAV4's system can still send enough power to the back. The Mazda CX-5 I think has one of the most interesting AWD systems on the market.
We have the 2015 FWD only CRV with studded snow tyres in winter. This car is HOPELESS in even light snow and gets itself stuck in anything over 20 cm . Comfortable and well designed interior and a pleasure to drive anytime other than in snow
When you started getting stuck you cut the wheels to hard left to right . You should have not panicked and back up whith you front wheels sraight . I drove a last gen pilot in a snow storm last year and was sliding around . I dont know how there 4x4 works but it didnt seem effective to me . Dont know if it has been changed or not. Also you dont seem like a rugged outdoor type with your pritty yellow sneakers on , how about dressing like your giong out to do something not going shopping at the mall.
AWD overheated otherwise Dave would not give up. just observe rear wheels towards the end. Disappointed but with fresh snow it is so much this AWD system can handle offroad. Honda should pay for a repeat. :) but this time with snow tyres.
Can't say I've driven or tested the NEW CR-V's AWD system. But, all CRV AWD sytems from 2016 and previous have been useless, in my experience. Easily, for me, CRV's have historically had the worst AWD system in any AWD vehicle. So, it doesn't surprise me at ALL that you got stuck - even if the conditions were rougher than expected or too much for any CUV to handle. Love your reviews, though! Keep up the great work!
Snow tires needed! Studded would be even better and chains would be idea! Honda USA PR get with it! Thanks to a 4Runner! Dave got unstuck. I know what it feels like to stuck in snow! Terrible feeling, very stressful!
I was always taught to keep your wheels straight when you get stuck. It's the path of least resistance, until you can get up some speed and break over the snow.
Is there any irony that this was a 4-runner that pulled him out.... the same vehicle that he put in the deep mud puddle and fortunately got out of? I love the videos! Keep up the great work!
You might want to brush o=up on your winter driving. You do not turn the wheel of the vehicle when trying to get out of a rut. The wheels needs to be kept straight, once you get forward momentum then turn the wheels.
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Wow. For an experimented northern driver, thats painful to watch. No one i know would get stuck in this situation. Wrong technique, wrong tires, wrong shoes ;)
I'm sorry Dave...but saying it's not the CRVs fault is kinda lame since the 1997 4-runner is kicking butt and towing the CRV through deep snow! I'm thinking the CRV's expanded size has now hampered its ability to effectively forage through the snow - I'm interested to see you do a repeat review of this vehicle in the summer at the Spokane ORV park - hopefully it handles better. Nonetheless- great review - keep up the good work!
I agree with pretty much everyone else here...snow tires would make a huge difference. I was born and raised in Syracuse, NY and we know about snow here. 4 good snow tires make a big difference. We used to own a 1st gen Forester with AWD, 5 spd manual trans, and 4 of the original Blizzak snow tires...that thing was unstopable in the winter.
Considering that CRV has all weather tires on it instead of studded snow tires, I'd say it did pretty good. A damn sight better than my Chrysler would have done anyway.
Who's to blame? AWD in perfect working order AND working, or the guy going off road in the snow with no snow tires? And you dare calling this BS a review?
Hi Dave, I was just wondering if you are going to try this baby off road again... I am really interested to see what it can do, and sincerely, you are the only one on RUclips that really take these normal AWD to some offroad that above what any normal user would do haha. You reviews rock!
Dont mind but you need to learn how to drive in snow, you keep locking front wheels left or right all the way. Which is causing to stick and keep diging.. and by the way im toyota fan...
5th Generation Honda CR-Vs come with Hancock tires. They are decent street tires. However, the winter ❄️ rating is not great. As with most new tires everything is good until it begins to wear down. I see a big difference in Wild Peak Tires for off road & winter purposes. You probably would have had a much better outcome.
Exactly. It's great for when it snows IN TOWN... but even Honda don't bill it as an 'off-roader'. Indeed, when it came out originally, along with the Rav4 and Nissan Xtrail,,etc, they were billed as 'soft-roaders'. They're better than a car, but don't push your luck.
I think the whole purpose of this demonstration is to see what the CRV is capable of under extreme conditions. Sure it got stuck, but now we all have a better idea of what this vehicle is capable of in these conditions.
I have a 2014 LX AWD and I had no problem whatsoever when I lived in Washington and drove Hwy 90 in snow all the time., or went up to Hwy 20 for skiing. I also had a set of skid pads just in case.
Exactly, I didn't buy the CRV for off roading. My only complaint about the CR-V are that all Honda Sensing goes off occasionally mostly if I'm winding up a mountain and the crazy Android Auto system with the attitude. I swear, if I ask it to play Pink Floyd it ignores me sometimes, seems to pick and choose, and I have to yell at it. Latter's not Honda's fault. Also one time it automatically connected me via phone to someone who's call I didn't want to take, didn't touch any controls.
I drove mine in 10 inches of snow with stock tires..the CR-V did great!! Of course I am used to Michigan winters that are BRUTAL and used to driving on them. I live in a very rural area where the roads aren't plowed regularly. I also know that if you get stuck you turn OFF the AWD or so I was told. This guy doesn't know how to drive in the snow. 2018 Honda CR-V EXL AWD. My other vehicle is a 2005 trailblazer 4x4 which has more ground clearance for those really nasty days in winter. Glad I made the purchase of my Honda.
It helps a LOT if you give the car a chance to go straight instead of just BURYING the vehicle by going forward & reversing with the wheels all the way turned... Dont guess he's done much off roading. You would have never have gotten stuck had he straightened the wheels out and rocked it a bit!
Seeing the AWD specs of 2017 vs 2016 the only difference is differential pump (maybe firmware too). More differential pump power should give less differential slippage or better lock characteristics. Also with higher ground clearance of 20cm this CR-V should have behaved better than previous generation. Honda has not added a rear differential heatsink to eliminate overheating at harsh situations. CVT does not help at low gear situations. I prefer the higher torque automatic transmission for this purpose. I still believe that Honda should sell CR-V with an external transmission cooler and a 9 speed ZF or a 6-7 speed automatic. CVT is the accountants choice.
The AWD system was working all the time. All 4 wheels were spinning. Its not the cars fault at this point. Even if you were on a Land Cruiser with those tires you would be stuck. It doesn't matter how many wheels you can turn at the same time as long as none of them have traction.
Not surprised. Snow tyres (or chains) work better on snow than 4WD. Haven't used my CRVs much on snow but when I have (normal road use, heavy snow) it has been fine. I don't really consider CRV an offroader or 4WD - more a big 2WD estate car/motorway cruiser with some 4WD/offroad capability for occasional use only (parking in muddy fields, getting through short sections with moderate levels of snow, etc.). Even the Nissan X-Trail has a better offroad reputation. Kudos to the Toyota Forerunner. I expect a modern Land Rover or Toyota Amazon would handle it - just select "snow-mode"!
Great Video, but it would be good to see how it compares to the competition(RAV4 , Forester, etc..). After watching this video I would think that the AWD is not very good. Does this vehicle even compare?
Never steer before applying throttle, kids. Steering in soft stuff while sitting still just creates a rut you can't get out of unless you have some aggressive tires.
Question ... of all the new cuv's mini suv's who in your opinion has the best all-wheel-drive system Toyota RAV4 / Nissan Rogue / Honda CR-V or the Mazda cx3 ???
Bought my 1st CR-V (2018). The 1.5L turbo motor sucks. Live in MN and never warms up idling. The temperature gage never moves until you drive it several miles. It even cools in rush hour traffic. Honda has NO fix yet. Not recommended.
It just lacks power from rear wheels. Had a crv and there was a lot of good things about it I likes but off roading, good amounts of snow, just not the vehicle for me. Tires will help on asphalt but there are other SUVs that could have handled this, sadly Honda isn't one of them traded mine in for a forester. Big difference and glad I did
I just spent two days with the '20 Honda CR-V on SNOW TIRES high in the Rockies and it was unstoppable in ice/snow up to about a foot deep. The vehicle was prepared for winter driving (and I was too -- sporting boots, hat, and a parka). There is one fail in this video, but it's not with the Honda.
Great plug for an old 4Runner lol! Embarrassing moment,, but I've been there myself several times. Great to see good people helping out. I'm currently driving an 05 Chevy truck but am in the market for something more practical and economical as a daily driver. This video is great in showing the limitations of a stock crossover. The reality is...driving in unplowed snow is a crap shoot for any vehicle (especially with OEM gear), including most Wranglers.
Hey, Dave. I'm in the market for an SUV, and am very interested in the new CR-V. But, you getting stuck worries me of it's capability. I know it's not a Subaru...or Jeep....but, I'm looking for something with a "competent enough" AWD system. Can you address your feeling on the the AWD capability (besides better tires) of this new CR-V? Thanks! :)
Hmmm I've been in snow much worse than that in Michigan in my 1999 Honda CR-V 4wd, awd, real time blah blah, you know what I mean. Much more snow and MUCH steeper inclines in the Irish hills. Don't know how capable the AWD system is in the current CR-V's, but those stock tires look like crap. They're probably just run of the mill all seasons designed to be QUIET and fuel efficient. I usually had snow tires during my time in Michigan. I've never ... EVER, gotten stuck in 12inches of snow, 15 inches of snow, etc. I had a dirt driveway, and I never shoveled it during the entire winter and I've measured the snow height of 15 inches or more plenty of times and gotten out without any issues. Different snow tires I've ran were. Michelin X-Ice, Michelin X-Ice 2, Hankook iPike 409s, Bridgestone Blizzack WS-50, Blizzack WS-60, probably more I can't remember. I got snow tires free from work. I've also had other snows, but on other cars, like the LM-22's, Icebears, Nokians, Dunlop Graspics, Yokohama IG20. Of all I really liked the Nokian's, Blizzacks, and Michelin's. Hankooks were mrsp the least expensive, but I didn't have to pay for them anyway. I know YOu know it Dave, but some of your viewers will probably under estimate how much tires make a difference. You can't go dancing in snow shoes, and you can't go rock climbing in heels. Well... you CAN, but it would look really funny.
Great perspective here.. The key to your success is that you understand how absolutely crappy OEM tires are and have researched and identified the proper setup for harsh climates.
Ive always wondered why hondas AWD system has gone to crap. I have a 1st gen, 1997 crv and man does that thing handle rough weather/ roads like a champ.
I believe it's the shitty factory all season tires it comes on the CRV. I had a 2016 CRV with AWD and it really suck driving on a light snow covers road in Minnesota vs. my previous Rav4 AWD. Heck! I use to own a 1997 CRV AWD and its ran and drive fine in snowing conditions with all season tires too so not sure what changes Honda have made to the new system. I end up selling the 2016 CRV and went back the trusty Rav4.
Shouldn't turn the wheels lock to lock when trying to get out of snow. Straight forward/back on the tracks you made already until you have enough momentum. Also snow tires ;)
Ironically I currently own a 2003 4Runner limited with really bad rust issues and looking to sell it to buy a crv for snowy weather, I guess I’ll just keep the 4Runner till the engine falls off the frame seeing the crv stuck like that or maybe it’s just the all season tires overall great video
That was hilarious! If you get stuck don't turn your front wheels fully. Try to rock your car back and forth in a straight line until you get moving. Once moving you can turn your wheels but don't crank them. Also don't floor it. Snow tires definitely help here too. (BTW like the channel) Cheers from the Great White North!
Hello boys and girls. I have ordered 2017 european version. 1.6L double turbo diesel. Here we have now 80cm of snow. Roads can be 10-30cm of snow. All weather tires. What a crap. Nokian hakkapelitta 9 with studs. Snow and ice flies like hell. Lets test when i get the car.
You said "It is not a CRV's fault". Well, it's a CRV's fault... the 4Runner all wheel drive system works just fine. Now, to be fair, get the new RAV4 to the same trail and give it a try and see if it get any better than the CRV. I had a 1997 Subaru Lagacy and the (then) brand new 2013 Acura RDX (RDX was down graded from SHA to the same All-Wheel-Drive system as the CRV) and let me tell you that the old clunky Subaru beat my RDX hand down in climbing a snowy hilly roads.
Further to the spanking you've taken in the comments here (LOL) a bit of advice: 1) Don't take an all-wheel drive off-road in snow without snow tires and say "I know what I'm doing". All season tires, as experts will tell you are "3 season". 2) When you're trying to get un-stuck, keep your front wheels straight so all four wheels are pushing and pulling in the same direction to maximize momentum. 3) Once you're stuck, gently rock the car back and forth using drive and reverse with small amounts of throttle so the wheels don't spin. Use the brakes to hold you at the end of each forward and reverse swing while you select the opposing gear for the next swing. Don't sit and spin your wheels as you only dig yourself in deeper while polishing the ice under your wheels. 4) Branches aren't a viable traction agent (roflmao). I'm on my second CRV since starting with them in 2008, and gotten stuck only once when the snow depth was higher than the ground clearance, that's it. Stating in the title of this video that the CRV was a "fail" only hurts your credibility once people look at the video.
Tip for the future, keep the wheels straight instead of cutting them so hard, then ease on the gas instead of all at once. Also, since you were on a bit of a hill, try going with gravity, and go into reverse. The momentum should get you rolling a bit. Sorry that your adventrure didn't work out.. Cheers. -From a Canadian of the great white north.
I've had three CR-V's since they came out in 1997. They are all still being driven (family heirlooms, let's say). I live in the Midwest where we get plenty of snow. I've never had an issue getting stuck. For one thing, you rock the vehicle with front wheels in line with the rear wheels, not continuously turning the steering wheels and going nowhere. You also don't slow down in numerous inches of wet snow or you will get stuck. I wouldn't say the CR-V is a fail because it wasn't made to off-road in snow or sand or mud like some other vehicles with those intended uses. The fail is your driving. Sorry, but I have to disagree with your "conclusion." It's like saying a Jeep Wrangler isn't luxurious compared to a Cadillac.
Brigid Cronin My 1999 has no problem with the snow, just turned 300,000 !!
My crv is bionic
My 09 Rav4 V6 would crush all of your cars off-road, but, yeah, this guy can't drive. I kept saying to myself "why is he rocking it at angles instead of in a straight line?" and "Why is he stopping after he just got going? What's wrong with him?"
My sentiments exactly. At the 4:00 min mark, when he started to move forward, he CUT The WHEEL. left (edit- stopping him dead, he's now plowing snow with his tires).. Always keep the wheels straight when stuck.. Even though he wanted to turn around you still want to al least create a track to do it in..
Yup seems like common sense to keep the drive wheels straight, not all the way to the left or to the right. Maybe it was intentionally lol
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chongolongos I doubt Toyota will ever response anything I do :-)
redsky 921 like a locking differential? Two guesses
He is right he was paid by Subaru as Toyota will never go that low
No, I don't think so. I have a 2016 CRV EX AWD and it really suck driving in snowy roads. Resale the CRV and go back to Rav4 although the rav4 does no handle and drive as nice as the CRV....it is solid in snowy conditions. In dry condition, the CRV rock but snow times....it suck.
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"I don't recommend this, but I know what I'm doing!" Famous last words.
this guys a JOKE! yet hes making money on 250k followers. this is proof our country is filled with stuoid peoplelistening to stupid guys schilling their uneducated reviews. clickbait schilling scammer... all those links he posts he makes money on....real honest reviews huh?
I live in a climate where snow lasts 4-5 months per year. Dedicated SNOW tires are a must. This video's failure, was in not clearly identifying the difference proper snow tires can make, it had nothing to do with the vehicles' capabilities.
Unfortunately, poor driver technique also came into play here. When you're stuck in deep snow, do NOT SPIN the tires. Spin creates heat, snow melts momentarily, re-freezes, turns to ice= zero traction. Also,,, DO NOT turn the wheels side to side as you try to escape a rut. Rock the vehicle gently back and forth in a straight line, crushing the snow in front of, and behind the wheels. Once you have a few feet of flattened snow fore and aft of your wheels, you can back up to the point of resistance,,, stop,,,, then gradually forward, you'll be able to use the now elongated rut in front of the wheels, to increase forward momentum, and get out of your trap. Again,,, do not SPIN those tires, and use PROPER snow tires. Those tires are mandatory where I live.
All-season, or all-weather tires are fine for light precipatation on good roads,,,,, definitely NOT for off-roading.
This is hands down the best written instructions on how to get out of snow. Impeccable.
Go back with snow tires and go the same route....
gregnice25 whos going to pay for said snow tires?
Lv L you missed the the point. The price he pays would be Honda banning him from testing their press cars, just like why toyota banned him. Do you expect him to buy snow tires for every winter review? Who's going to reimburse him? You? Honda?
with a true all wheel drive system snow tires are not needed. all season radials will suffice that are well-rated for mud/snow traction.
Gregarious Solitudinist My 2014 Subaru Forestor XT with all season radicals would have easily handled that. Honda AWD stinks.
Roma12 radicals? If the snow is wet and you don’t have snow tires your stuck. Radicals sheesh
oahahahahaha!!!!!!!
going down there with wrong tires, wrong shoes and no showel!😂😂
I would have love to see a 2017 Subaru Outback or Forester tackle the same road. Also, I would have like to see the 2017 Honda CRV tackle that same road with snow tires.
Mister X with the OEM tires they would have had the same problem.
Snow tires would definitely make a difference.
I'm not sure about that. The Subaru symmetrical AWD system is very impressive. If the 2017 Foster gets stuck with snow tires So, would the 2017 Outback with snow tires. I've owned a 1997 Subaru and I have never been stuck in a situation that I couldn't get out of in my Subaru. Unless my tires were bald or bad.
Mister X How do you know snow tyres would make a difference?? Please show us. A great AWD system still needs to solve the following problem: overheat issues (such as install an external cooler or a rear differential with fins) and a good automatic gearbox. CVT is not a proven technology for AWD cars in high torque low gear situations, as it is knows to slip (not a gear type interlock but a friction type).
Panayiotis Palmiris Snow Tires have been proven to make a difference. But we don't know if it would still get stuck with snow tires. Even on normal pavement on a front wheel drive vehicle, Snow tires would make a difference on city streets.
Tires are to blame for this one. I can tell that the AWD is much more active in the '17 in this video than the lousy AWD in the 16's
G V The last CR-V’s all-wheel drive system used a fixed 60:40 (front/rear) torque split when engaged and could only send power rearward if it detected wheel slip on the front axle. The new CR-V ditches this old-style system for a far more-sophisticated setup. The new CR-V’s system now calculates the torque needed and where it should be distributed based on factors like acceleration, throttle position, yaw and steering wheel angle. Unlike the old system, this new one can send torque rearward on dry pavement to aid handling. The new system should be far better on snowy roads too because it can send 57-percent more torque rearward than the old one. If those front wheels are stuck on a sheet of ice, Nagadome says the system can route 100 percent of the available torque to the rear wheels.
Read more: autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/first-drive-2017-honda-cr-v#ixzz4XhI4UYRO
Makes sense. Family member of mine has an EX AWD. The AWD is good if you mash the accelerator on snow, but it always feels lethargic. I have a '16 Mazda CX-5 AWD and it is one of the best AWD systems Ive ever had.
Could you please upload a picture of the new AWD rear differential and the old 4th gen AWD rear differential so we can compare?? Also if possible give us the part number of new rear differential. Who is Nagadome??????? Can we see more info on torque tests ? No mention of torque vectoring. It seems that torque vectoring is a standard feature on ALL CR-V models called AHA.
Panayiotis Palmiris I hope you're not asking me for that stuff lmao I just got that stuff from that website and I think a few other websites say the same thing about the new awd system. The pilot and ridgeline pretty much have SH-AWD. Front and rear torque vectoring and side to side in the rear wheels.
Fadic 4 I am adding another tech on CR-V 2017 which you forgot to mention.Agile Handling Assist (AHA) - VSA torque vectoring at last
Standard on all CR-V trims, Agile Handling Assist (AHA) uses brake
torque vectoring to improve turn-in response and corner traceability. By
applying braking force to the inside wheels during cornering at high
lateral G, the system creates a yaw moment, thus generating more turning force and reducing understeer.
This guy can't drive for crap. This was a perfect example of how to dig a hole to bury your vehicle. A better driver would not have gotten hung up so easily. Experience is key here. Can't be turning the wheels so hard back and forth dude!
I'm agree with you,such incompetence driver performance. Turning wheel full in both directions without proper grip on the wheels was overkill. Also take in consideration that he do his litle trip without proper tyre speak abuot him, self confidence is not only that you need. Usual commonsense are more appropriate. Why he didnt try mustang on the same hill??
haha and then staying together idk I mean you got out
Yes, he has no off-road skills, but worst of all he drove down there, that’s lack of common sense too!
First big mistake he made was driving without tire chains. The next big mistake he made was turning the wheel while trying to go forward. What he needed to do was get some momentum, then turn the wheels.
Agreed I was watching him make almost every single rookie driver mistake and thinking um this guy has no idea how to drive in snow. He even compounded it by spinning the wheels. Does he have no idea what the lower gears do? And then there is the turning while accelerating while stuck in snow.
The stock tires the CRV comes with (as most all new cars) are built optimally as low-rolling resistant and quiet for dry, flat and smooth pavement. The CRV is not to be confused w/a real off-roader, but no SUV stands a chance with tires that aren't meant for those conditions.
Dude, stop turning the wheel constantly back and forth when you're stuck! Go straight back then straight forward even if it is inches at a time until you can gain momentum and climb over the ruts.
So nice to see that there are still such kind, caring people out there who are willing to help.
jazzygirl24100 thats the off road community, and I love them.
+JUKEBOX nissan sure if you can compared with honda civic hybrid in that snow white and copy the crv is nice to see it run in N.Y...
That's the norm when offroading.. Everyone helps!
I have a CR-V AWD 2017 the base model and I tested through the heavy snow it was magnificent
It was CRAZY for him to even attempt this in a CRV AWD or not. Nothing but a Subie or something with TRUE 4WD could handle these kinds of conditions. THAT SAID, it does NOT mean the CRV is a bad vehicle. It will get you through what the "MAJORITY" of individuals will be facing in bad weather. But if you like doing rec off roading your looking at the wrong vehicle. There are CERTAINLY good and bad AWD systems and the CRV is NOT meant for this type of terrain.
This cat doesn't know how to drive. The worst thing to do ,is to gun your and engine and steer the front wheel from side to side. Next time, everyman driver ,keep your front wheel straight and rock the vehicle gently from reverse to forward and you will have a different outcome
You da MVP!!
he doesn't know how to drive in the snow keep the tires straight and rock the car , this was hard to watch
Agreed
wouldn't it have helped to also drop the car into the lower gear. Either 1 or 2?
Ditto
Very true, go from D to R and use snow tires. Also why wasn't he wearing winter boots 🤣😂🤔
JayDuke good point it looks like somebody from Canada
I learned something AFTER I got stuck in my 2014 during a blizzard. I needed to disable my stability control. It's mentioned in my manual ("In certain unusual conditions when your vehicle gets stuck in shallow mud or fresh snow, it may be easier to free it with VSA temporarily switched off"). I actually can't wait to try it 🤔🙄😁
LonerSurfer Tell me how it goes, it seems interesting!
Rahman Shafique Unfortunately I live in New Mexico and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees today).
Of course now that I said that - a blizzard will arrive tomorrow
LonerSurfer I know. I have a Pilot and I wanted to drive it a lot this winter. It snowed 2 ft 2 weeks ago. I live in NYC. It's Mid February AND ITS 60F.
Discovered that, too, after a bad New England winter. Diabling the VSA helps if you get stuck.
zero snow driving skills
Zero? Speak for yourself.
Everyman Driver not zero skills in driving on the snow but definitely zero skills in choosing the right tires...
Zaur has a point , But he doesn't own the car soooo maybe thats why.
I have both a 2000 crv and 4runner limited.. the hondas biggest failure is the operator...
you should know that all season tire won't cut it. I have winters on my 2005 crv and she is good even in deeper snow
Thanks for the video Dave... What I kept thinking when you INITIALLY got stuck... Rule #1... "When offroad traction is lost... keep the wheels straight and throttle ON."
Sorry you got stuck, but that snow is way too wet, icy, and deep for those all season tires. Any SUV this sized will have trouble in that stuff. :)
Justin David lol Tiguan has no probs
lmao CR-V and Honda in general has nothing to do with offroading.Tiguan FWD 2.0 failed of course.Take the Tiguan V6 4motion,and will kick even Q5 or Toyotas
Where he got stuck.. A Subaru would have made it without a problem.. Look at the video, the CR-V barely sends any power to the rear axle. It looks like FWD that sends small pulses of power to the rear.
YES you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. The tires should be WINTER TIRES NOT ALL SEASON TIRES and, that is a lot of snow. In defense of the honda crv though, there are NO LOCKING DIFFS TO USE the crv does not have a HARD CORE AWD SYSTEM like the SUBARU FORRESTER DOES. Know your limits.
My 09 Rav4 V6 has never gotten stuck in snow like this or even deep water.
I was planning on buying a 2017 Honda CRV, but after this video it's clear the Toyota 4 Runner is what I need to be looking at! Thanks!
I can't believe Toyota won't give you another 4runner to review..... I learned from this review is that the 4runner is awesome!
I can tell you that my 2016 Highlander would have reacted in the same way. The first time I almost didn't make it home in a couple of inches of snow, I purchased four Blizak tires for winter. The best investment I've ever made.
Seem to be paid by some company.
Driving in snow but no shovel ??
Way you turn/spin the tires
Is not logic in that situation.
Need to check the tire also if they’r made to run on this kind of condition.
Keep those wheels straight when attempting to power out of a snow bank!
Yeah, the snow this winter here in Spokane is particularly crappy, even with as much as it's melted off to date. I'm not all that suprised the Honda CR-V got stuck in that slop. Still... all-season tires? You know better than that!
I do agree that the conditions were too bad for most vehicles like the CR-V to handle. However, you can see in the video how the CR-V is failing to transfer power properly to different wheels. The CR-V is front-wheel-drive bias. If it could transfer power properly, that may have helped somewhat. You still would have probably gotten stuck like you did, but a worthless AWD system doesn't help.
Yeah.. Not the CRV fault. Sooo good to have good people ❤❤❤
Driving in Snow 101 ... DON'T turn the wheels all the way over and expect to move ... and then keep doing that over and over and over. LOL
You have to disable VSA or the AWD system try’s to keep you on the road, not get unstuck. Disabling VSA allows all wheels to spin.
Also the 5th Gen AWD CR-V has 8.2” of clearance, FWD is 7.8”. The 4Runner has 9” of clearance so don’t think lack of clearance was the big issue here, snow or AT tires might have given you enough to make it with the VSA turned off & proper steering / snow driving techniques were applied.
A review of all seasons vs winter tires would be very helpful in letting everyone know the superiority of using the proper tires in wintertime
But they have AWD... 🤣🤣
It's crazy how well marketing has convinced people AWD/4x4 is the solution to winter weather. I tell people I choose a FWD + good Winters like WS90 over a stock All Season SUV AWD anyday for snowy/icy paved roads. Who cares if you use that AWD for the first 10secs of starting and then be underequipped the rest of the way. I run the latest Blizzaks on both my AWD SUV and FWD Van and have no problem taking my VAN up to the ski slopes if there is a need for the extra space. I wondered years ago when I sold my Subaru Outback w/ Blizzaks for a larger Family VAN (Sienna) if it would do well enough on good tires to still take it to the mountains. I was convinced the first winter I drove it with winters. A few years ago I tested it against my neighbors 2019 Subaru Accent with stock tires and the Subaru was barely faster on start but I destroyed it on braking. Why spend the money to buy such an awesome AWD vehicle and not equip it with good tires.
@45eno awd isn't the end all be all but is an extra safety precaution especially for winter. It's nice to know you have awd
But of course, winter tires are a must for any vehicle.
At least he admitted it wasn't the CRV's fault, with the tires and ground clearance combo there is no way this was going to work.
Throw some weight in the back during winter snow falls and upgrade the tires... also good to keep some climbing rope in the back trunk if you get jammed up, wrap it through the rim over the tire and you'll get some extra traction.
Just a suggestion. Whenever you get stuck in this kind of situation, use your transmission to your advantage. To get out of a sticky situation, put your gears down into the lowest gear you can get it to go. When I drove for the Auto Auction, I learned this trick, and it worked very well even on Land Rovers. I have a 2007 Toyota Matrix Auto FWD, and I use my lowest gear to get out of a rut in the snow. I slowly drive nice and easy right out of the snow. I also have winter tires mind you, but even with winter tires you can get stuck. So many people I have seen get stuck even with a huge amount of snow, and they just keep on spinning their tires because they are in the high gear. I come along and give them my trick, and with a little push away they go. Just a little suggestion that could help.
My 2010 cr-v was horrible in the snow. Winters in West Virginia require the ability to lock in all 4wheels. My Rogue has a AWD lock and I’ve been impressed with rogues ability to plow thru snow.
Cool to see I'm not the only person that wears running sneakers in the snow. Watch for those puddles!
Thank you for the video, Dave. As other commenters have mentioned, and as you eluded to in your video, this was a deep and wet snow that would have required snow tires for any vehicle to make it through that day. And, no one buys a CR-V to do serious off-roading. However, it would be good to know your thoughts on the AWD system for two purposes: snowy road conditions / snowy driveways. I did notice with your cameras that at least the system was spinning both the front and rear tires all the time. Did it do that on its own or did you have to hit a button to "lock" in the AWD (like what the Rogue and Tucson have)? Does the Honda have a button for the driver to have the option to decide to be in AWD for snowy conditions or does the CR-V have to decide this? Thank you, Dave.
There is no "lock" function on the CR-V. It is all automatically done, which is unfortunate. I do prefer cars with that feature.
The 2016 Toyota Rav4 has a push button locking 4 wheel.😄
The toyota rav4 lock capability is up to 25mph . Above this it gets automatically disengaged. Also is RAV4 using CVT transmission ???? From the AWD test I have seen its AWD performance is not better than CR-Vs, they are about the same. Would be a nice add on though if a proper lock mode is offered, with a proper center differential
1. I would like to see CR-V with ESP torque vectoring.
2. Diagonal tests for CR-V
3. Fins on its rear differential or an external differential cooler..
4. Symmetrical test same as that of Forester.
CR-V was not tested in off road situations, thus Honda never saw the need to improve the rear differential cooling capacity.
RAV4's All Wheel Drive is a bit better than the CR-V. The CVT is only on the RAV4 Hybrid, otherwise the RAV4 has a 6 speed rather than the CRV's CVT. The lock capability is up to 25MPH but if you are in a situation that requires 50-50 lock, most likely you aren't going to exceed that speed. Over 25MPH the RAV4's system can still send enough power to the back.
The Mazda CX-5 I think has one of the most interesting AWD systems on the market.
Truly you acted like you been on snow first time. Reverse back on your previous track..
We have the 2015 FWD only CRV with studded snow tyres in winter.
This car is HOPELESS in even light snow and gets itself stuck in anything over 20 cm .
Comfortable and well designed interior and a pleasure to drive anytime other than in snow
When you started getting stuck you cut the wheels to hard left to right . You should have not panicked and back up whith you front wheels sraight . I drove a last gen pilot in a snow storm last year and was sliding around . I dont know how there 4x4 works but it didnt seem effective to me . Dont know if it has been changed or not. Also you dont seem like a rugged outdoor type with your pritty yellow sneakers on , how about dressing like your giong out to do something not going shopping at the mall.
AWD overheated otherwise Dave would not give up. just observe rear wheels towards the end. Disappointed but with fresh snow it is so much this AWD system can handle offroad. Honda should pay for a repeat. :) but this time with snow tyres.
TOYOTA for the win. But seriously, snow tires on the CR-V would've prevented this entire ordeal.
did you dis-engaged the vsa system? if not, you're suppose to when the vehiclenis stuck
Can't say I've driven or tested the NEW CR-V's AWD system. But, all CRV AWD sytems from 2016 and previous have been useless, in my experience. Easily, for me, CRV's have historically had the worst AWD system in any AWD vehicle. So, it doesn't surprise me at ALL that you got stuck - even if the conditions were rougher than expected or too much for any CUV to handle. Love your reviews, though! Keep up the great work!
Yeah its pretty bad. My neighbor has one and it was awful in the snow. Barely any power is transferred to the rear wheels.
The new CRVs have a better new AWD system.
Subie symmetrical AWD all the way.... simply the best (all time AWD with X-Mode).....
Not giving this AWD a pass but those tires are not made for doing what he is doing
I have two crvs a 2000 and my wife 2017. They both are great in the snow. Then again we use snow tires during the winter. I say the rt4wd works great.
Snow tires needed! Studded would be even better and chains would be idea! Honda USA PR get with it! Thanks to a 4Runner! Dave got unstuck. I know what it feels like to stuck in snow! Terrible feeling, very stressful!
I was always taught to keep your wheels straight when you get stuck. It's the path of least resistance, until you can get up some speed and break over the snow.
You need to keep a straight line when the bottom falls out, then easy rock back n forth.....!
Is there any irony that this was a 4-runner that pulled him out.... the same vehicle that he put in the deep mud puddle and fortunately got out of? I love the videos! Keep up the great work!
You might want to brush o=up on your winter driving. You do not turn the wheel of the vehicle when trying to get out of a rut. The wheels needs to be kept straight, once you get forward momentum then turn the wheels.
Wow. For an experimented northern driver, thats painful to watch. No one i know would get stuck in this situation. Wrong technique, wrong tires, wrong shoes ;)
Dave deserves 1M subscribers, he does such good job demonstrating cars. This channel is way better than stupid biased reviewers out there.
You know the CR-V isn't an "off-road" vehicle right? CR-V is a great vehicle for what it's intended. Driving off-road isn't it.
I'm sorry Dave...but saying it's not the CRVs fault is kinda lame since the 1997 4-runner is kicking butt and towing the CRV through deep snow! I'm thinking the CRV's expanded size has now hampered its ability to effectively forage through the snow - I'm interested to see you do a repeat
review of this vehicle in the summer at the Spokane ORV park - hopefully it handles better. Nonetheless- great review - keep up the good work!
I agree with pretty much everyone else here...snow tires would make a huge difference. I was born and raised in Syracuse, NY and we know about snow here. 4 good snow tires make a big difference. We used to own a 1st gen Forester with AWD, 5 spd manual trans, and 4 of the original Blizzak snow tires...that thing was unstopable in the winter.
These reviews are great, because you're generally showing how a car is useable and not how it's going to speed through CA canyons.
Considering that CRV has all weather tires on it instead of studded snow tires, I'd say it did pretty good. A damn sight better than my Chrysler would have done anyway.
AWD does not equal FWD.
And turning the wheel when trying to get untsuck.... well, as you can see, doesn't work out so well
Who's to blame? AWD in perfect working order AND working, or the guy going off road in the snow with no snow tires? And you dare calling this BS a review?
Hi Dave,
I was just wondering if you are going to try this baby off road again... I am really interested to see what it can do, and sincerely, you are the only one on RUclips that really take these normal AWD to some offroad that above what any normal user would do haha. You reviews rock!
Mirko Santini me too
Dont mind but you need to learn how to drive in snow, you keep locking front wheels left or right all the way. Which is causing to stick and keep diging.. and by the way im toyota fan...
Holy shit...I thought u were stuck in the pond again
Thank God....Long live EverymanDriver!!
5th Generation Honda CR-Vs come with Hancock tires. They are decent street tires. However, the winter ❄️ rating is not great. As with most new tires everything is good until it begins to wear down. I see a big difference in Wild Peak Tires for off road & winter purposes. You probably would have had a much better outcome.
I wouldn't take a CRV off-roading. It's a great car and this is more for driving around town.
Exactly. It's great for when it snows IN TOWN... but even Honda don't bill it as an 'off-roader'. Indeed, when it came out originally, along with the Rav4 and Nissan Xtrail,,etc, they were billed as 'soft-roaders'. They're better than a car, but don't push your luck.
I think the whole purpose of this demonstration is to see what the CRV is capable of under extreme conditions. Sure it got stuck, but now we all have a better idea of what this vehicle is capable of in these conditions.
I have a 2014 LX AWD and I had no problem whatsoever when I lived in Washington and drove Hwy 90 in snow all the time., or went up to Hwy 20 for skiing. I also had a set of skid pads just in case.
Was that on snow tires or all season tires?
Exactly, I didn't buy the CRV for off roading. My only complaint about the CR-V are that all Honda Sensing goes off occasionally mostly if I'm winding up a mountain and the crazy Android Auto system with the attitude. I swear, if I ask it to play Pink Floyd it ignores me sometimes, seems to pick and choose, and I have to yell at it. Latter's not Honda's fault. Also one time it automatically connected me via phone to someone who's call I didn't want to take, didn't touch any controls.
I drove mine in 10 inches of snow with stock tires..the CR-V did great!! Of course I am used to Michigan winters that are BRUTAL and used to driving on them. I live in a very rural area where the roads aren't plowed regularly. I also know that if you get stuck you turn OFF the AWD or so I was told. This guy doesn't know how to drive in the snow. 2018 Honda CR-V EXL AWD. My other vehicle is a 2005 trailblazer 4x4 which has more ground clearance for those really nasty days in winter.
Glad I made the purchase of my Honda.
It helps a LOT if you give the car a chance to go straight instead of just BURYING the vehicle by going forward & reversing with the wheels all the way turned... Dont guess he's done much off roading. You would have never have gotten stuck had he straightened the wheels out and rocked it a bit!
The ground clearance is actually 8.2 inches on the AWD versions. It's 7.8 on the FWD.
Sorry the trouble, but thanks for the honest video.
Seeing the AWD specs of 2017 vs 2016 the only difference is differential pump (maybe firmware too). More differential pump power should give less differential slippage or better lock characteristics. Also with higher ground clearance of 20cm this CR-V should have behaved better than previous generation. Honda has not added a rear differential heatsink to eliminate overheating at harsh situations. CVT does not help at low gear situations. I prefer the higher torque automatic transmission for this purpose. I still believe that Honda should sell CR-V with an external transmission cooler and a 9 speed ZF or a 6-7 speed automatic. CVT is the accountants choice.
I kept saying "don't do it, don't do it, DON'T DO IT!" but he won't listen. There you go!
The AWD system was working all the time. All 4 wheels were spinning. Its not the cars fault at this point. Even if you were on a Land Cruiser with those tires you would be stuck. It doesn't matter how many wheels you can turn at the same time as long as none of them have traction.
Not surprised. Snow tyres (or chains) work better on snow than 4WD. Haven't used my CRVs much on snow but when I have (normal road use, heavy snow) it has been fine. I don't really consider CRV an offroader or 4WD - more a big 2WD estate car/motorway cruiser with some 4WD/offroad capability for occasional use only (parking in muddy fields, getting through short sections with moderate levels of snow, etc.). Even the Nissan X-Trail has a better offroad reputation. Kudos to the Toyota Forerunner. I expect a modern Land Rover or Toyota Amazon would handle it - just select "snow-mode"!
Straighten your wheels when you try to go forward or backwards....
Gary Simms ok, thx.
Great Video, but it would be good to see how it compares to the competition(RAV4 , Forester, etc..). After watching this video I would think that the AWD is not very good. Does this vehicle even compare?
Never steer before applying throttle, kids. Steering in soft stuff while sitting still just creates a rut you can't get out of unless you have some aggressive tires.
Wholesome guys just driving around with windows down to get a breeze going in the heat of WA winter.
Question ... of all the new cuv's mini suv's who in your opinion has the best all-wheel-drive system Toyota RAV4 / Nissan Rogue / Honda CR-V or the Mazda cx3 ???
Bought my 1st CR-V (2018). The 1.5L turbo motor sucks. Live in MN and never warms up idling. The temperature gage never moves until you drive it several miles. It even cools in rush hour traffic. Honda has NO fix yet. Not recommended.
It just lacks power from rear wheels. Had a crv and there was a lot of good things about it I likes but off roading, good amounts of snow, just not the vehicle for me. Tires will help on asphalt but there are other SUVs that could have handled this, sadly Honda isn't one of them traded mine in for a forester. Big difference and glad I did
Martin Russo biggest difference is the forester has real awd.
Ford escape loves this stuff
I just spent two days with the '20 Honda CR-V on SNOW TIRES high in the Rockies and it was unstoppable in ice/snow up to about a foot deep. The vehicle was prepared for winter driving (and I was too -- sporting boots, hat, and a parka). There is one fail in this video, but it's not with the Honda.
Great plug for an old 4Runner lol! Embarrassing moment,, but I've been there myself several times. Great to see good people helping out. I'm currently driving an 05 Chevy truck but am in the market for something more practical and economical as a daily driver. This video is great in showing the limitations of a stock crossover. The reality is...driving in unplowed snow is a crap shoot for any vehicle (especially with OEM gear), including most Wranglers.
going off-road with stock allseason tires. BRILIANT
Well that’s embarrassing... an OLD Toyota had pull out a new CRV. Yes yes I know... not CRV fault with where Dave drove it 🙄
Hey, Dave. I'm in the market for an SUV, and am very interested in the new CR-V. But, you getting stuck worries me of it's capability. I know it's not a Subaru...or Jeep....but, I'm looking for something with a "competent enough" AWD system. Can you address your feeling on the the AWD capability (besides better tires) of this new CR-V? Thanks! :)
Hmmm I've been in snow much worse than that in Michigan in my 1999 Honda CR-V 4wd, awd, real time blah blah, you know what I mean. Much more snow and MUCH steeper inclines in the Irish hills. Don't know how capable the AWD system is in the current CR-V's, but those stock tires look like crap. They're probably just run of the mill all seasons designed to be QUIET and fuel efficient. I usually had snow tires during my time in Michigan.
I've never ... EVER, gotten stuck in 12inches of snow, 15 inches of snow, etc. I had a dirt driveway, and I never shoveled it during the entire winter and I've measured the snow height of 15 inches or more plenty of times and gotten out without any issues.
Different snow tires I've ran were.
Michelin X-Ice, Michelin X-Ice 2, Hankook iPike 409s, Bridgestone Blizzack WS-50, Blizzack WS-60, probably more I can't remember. I got snow tires free from work. I've also had other snows, but on other cars, like the LM-22's, Icebears, Nokians, Dunlop Graspics, Yokohama IG20.
Of all I really liked the Nokian's, Blizzacks, and Michelin's. Hankooks were mrsp the least expensive, but I didn't have to pay for them anyway.
I know YOu know it Dave, but some of your viewers will probably under estimate how much tires make a difference. You can't go dancing in snow shoes, and you can't go rock climbing in heels.
Well... you CAN, but it would look really funny.
Great perspective here.. The key to your success is that you understand how absolutely crappy OEM tires are and have researched and identified the proper setup for harsh climates.
Ive always wondered why hondas AWD system has gone to crap. I have a 1st gen, 1997 crv and man does that thing handle rough weather/ roads like a champ.
I believe it's the shitty factory all season tires it comes on the CRV. I had a 2016 CRV with AWD and it really suck driving on a light snow covers road in Minnesota vs. my previous Rav4 AWD. Heck! I use to own a 1997 CRV AWD and its ran and drive fine in snowing conditions with all season tires too so not sure what changes Honda have made to the new system. I end up selling the 2016 CRV and went back the trusty Rav4.
What a day to meet Dave Erickson!
Shouldn't turn the wheels lock to lock when trying to get out of snow. Straight forward/back on the tracks you made already until you have enough momentum. Also snow tires ;)
Ironically I currently own a 2003 4Runner limited with really bad rust issues and looking to sell it to buy a crv for snowy weather, I guess I’ll just keep the 4Runner till the engine falls off the frame seeing the crv stuck like that or maybe it’s just the all season tires overall great video
Looks like the car worked great. It was just the tires that couldn't grip the snow. Conditions for chains.
This made me realize to put on winter tires on my wife's Pilot 4WD lol
When you brought the branches back, I thought you were going to set the CRV on fire!
That was hilarious! If you get stuck don't turn your front wheels fully. Try to rock your car back and forth in a straight line until you get moving. Once moving you can turn your wheels but don't crank them. Also don't floor it. Snow tires definitely help here too. (BTW like the channel) Cheers from the Great White North!
Thank you, lesson learned. I haven't been back in the snow since :-)
Hello boys and girls. I have ordered 2017 european version. 1.6L double turbo diesel. Here we have now 80cm of snow. Roads can be 10-30cm of snow. All weather tires. What a crap. Nokian hakkapelitta 9 with studs. Snow and ice flies like hell. Lets test when i get the car.
You said "It is not a CRV's fault". Well, it's a CRV's fault... the 4Runner all wheel drive system works just fine. Now, to be fair, get the new RAV4 to the same trail and give it a try and see if it get any better than the CRV. I had a 1997 Subaru Lagacy and the (then) brand new 2013 Acura RDX (RDX was down graded from SHA to the same All-Wheel-Drive system as the CRV) and let me tell you that the old clunky Subaru beat my RDX hand down in climbing a snowy hilly roads.
Further to the spanking you've taken in the comments here (LOL) a bit of advice: 1) Don't take an all-wheel drive off-road in snow without snow tires and say "I know what I'm doing". All season tires, as experts will tell you are "3 season". 2) When you're trying to get un-stuck, keep your front wheels straight so all four wheels are pushing and pulling in the same direction to maximize momentum. 3) Once you're stuck, gently rock the car back and forth using drive and reverse with small amounts of throttle so the wheels don't spin. Use the brakes to hold you at the end of each forward and reverse swing while you select the opposing gear for the next swing. Don't sit and spin your wheels as you only dig yourself in deeper while polishing the ice under your wheels. 4) Branches aren't a viable traction agent (roflmao). I'm on my second CRV since starting with them in 2008, and gotten stuck only once when the snow depth was higher than the ground clearance, that's it. Stating in the title of this video that the CRV was a "fail" only hurts your credibility once people look at the video.
winter tires must be put on the car to run a test!
I think the all wheel drive is not to blame. It's mostly tires and the condition of the path Dave took.
Kudos Dave for posting this. Its not easy to post the fail videos
Tip for the future, keep the wheels straight instead of cutting them so hard, then ease on the gas instead of all at once. Also, since you were on a bit of a hill, try going with gravity, and go into reverse. The momentum should get you rolling a bit. Sorry that your adventrure didn't work out.. Cheers. -From a Canadian of the great white north.