Honestly, he probably knows but doesn't wanna hear to avoid that mental image. I probably wouldn't wanna hear about my daughter sleeping with the blandest man on earth lol
@@gabrieldossantos1116 Whether he already suspects the the truth or not, I'd say that after the still fresh tragedy and having just got done yelling at Aegon for all the shocking big problems he & Criston Cole stirred up, Otto probably really doesn't want any more bad news weighing on his mind right now.
See I saw that as her voluntarily giving up a secret (her and Cristin) to Otto as a show of respect and trust. She was trying to negate the advantage that Larys might have over her and also show Otto that she's still on side. But instead of gaining an advantage over his daughter, Otto told her that it didn't matter. He wasn't going to use her sins against her.
I love how the Greens have no emotional strength. To see the king walk past his grieving wife, for Alicent to come to her father only for her tell her he doesn't want to hear it, to then Alicent to walk in on her grieving son and not consoling him and just walking out of the room. Its great character writing on how that lack of care is passed down through the family.
Alicent leaving Aegon crying wrecked me. He's a monster, but for a long time I thought Alicent's core redeeming quality was some love of her children. Yet, like her father refusing to comfort her, she turned her back on her own son.
@@squeezlepopI think it's less her turning her back on her son and more of her just genuinely not knowing how to comfort her son. Ofcourse this doesn't excuse her behavior. But Alicent was never given any warmth or taught any emotional intelligence from her father. She was never consoled. She was taught to suppress her emotions ever since she was a teenager. I think she just genuinely doesn't know how to share emotions and unfortunately passed down the same trait to her Children.
I've heard some wild takes on this series. Makes me wonder sometimes if we're watching the same show. Some say that Aegon and Helaena had a "I know your pain" moment of shared grief, in that glance. I didn't get that at all. I agree more with your explanation of emotional stuntedness and negligence being passed on. Aegon and Helaena have a weird dynamic. He's not overtly abusive, at least in public. I think they have more of an estranged roommate relationship and Aegon takes his pleasure elsewhere. There are so many failed firings of connection between these people. Otto has no time for anyone else, Alicent is too cowardly or just isn't equipped with the tools to be a mother and Aegon and Helaena live on different planets. It's a tragedy.
I love how Rhaenyra being honorable and letting Mysaria go inadvertently saved her own life when Ser Arryk arrives to kill her. Such a brilliant way of weaving those plot threads together and rewarding Rhaenyra’s good nature
@@Mwezi828 That's how I interpreted it too since I know she's an important book character and the blacks are missing a spymaster, but all we see in this ep is that she recognized him, she doesn't start returning, we don't see her tell someone about Arryk.
@@aspacelex then you need things spelled out. How do you think erryk magically went inside rhaenyra's room in the nick of time? You are meant to infer that she raised the alarm, which is why she hailed the ppl taking her to the boat to stop. She obviously returned to the castle
@@aspacelex She definitely recognised him and sent the warning. Didn't need to have a scene for it, since the drama was whether or not the other brother was going to make it back in time.
Daemon calling the murder of Jaehaerys a mistake seems like a textbook example of weaponized incompetence. So glad to see Rhaenyra register how pathetic of an excuse it was.
While Otto might be an experienced politician, he's also a fool. Neither he nor Viserys ever paid any mind to Aegon, or spent any time teaching him how to rule. And now he's like *surprised pikachu face* when Aegon has no idea how to be king and wants nothing to do with Otto. And Otto thought he could *control* Aegon the same way he controlled Viserys, absolutely missing how giving absolute power to an isolated, unloved teenager who hates him will blow up in his face. Not to mention that Otto is a hypocrite. He rolls his eyes and calls Criston and Aegon a fool for sending Arryk to Dragonstone, when last season he suggested the very same idea: sending Harrold Westerling to assasinate her on Dragonstone. Aegon is fully in the right for resenting Otto. From his PoV, he's been absolutely useless so far, while his family is being slaughtered around him.
Yeah, Otto's assumption that everyone else will adhere to the same rules that he does has repeatedly been his downfall. Especially since he ignores his own rules at his convenience.
@@balabanasiretiCersei, and literally every adult in kings landing that had some sort of say were all id10ts. For real lol. Cersei shouldve grabbed regency immediately, and because she didnt, one of the other lords shouldve jumped on that discussion lol. Like who in their right minds thought a 13 yr old was old enough to rule? Lol. Have him crowned and annointed, yes, but control? 😂😂😂 how stup!d! Ok im done lol. I just think that makes no sense in GoTs. At least here Aegon is considered an adult whos already sired heirs. Not a 14 yr old boy lol.
Otto is basically Tywin, genius politician and manipulator, but has a terrible blindspot for his family and their emotions, therefore is incapable of working with them or even have a healthy relationship
I love that it shows aegon walking past helaena when ahes crying and you think "oh what a dick" Then at the end pf the episode when hes crying you see Alicent refuse to comfort him. Then ypu realize its learned. He doesn't console helaena because thats bot what he was taught. And its really sad
And Alicent learnt it from her father, who used her both as political pawn and as a therapist for her entire life, yet refused to listen to her own grievances and suffering. It's all about generational trauma in here!
Phia's acting and the camera work on that procession scene is phenomenal. The discomfort Helaena felt, plus the suffocating shots of the small folk made me feel like grasping for air myself
I think it’s interesting how in this episode Aegon has inherited Viserys’s position both as king and his position after Aemma’s death - loved one dead, only a daughter for a child and a rogue brother - but Aegon hasn’t inherited his father’s personality. Meanwhile Rhaenyra has more of Viserys’s cautious personality, but not really the same position - she still has four heirs, extended family that she trusts, her rogue relatives somewhat on her side - so she can’t really fall down the same path as Viserys and it seems like she isn’t. It’s interesting to see how both claimants have inherited something from their father, yet not all which makes all the difference
@@MaxIronsThird I know he has a son in the book but Maelor seems very much like he’s cut from the show, and Aemond isn’t on the same level as Daemon but he certainly isn’t as loyal as Aegon seems to think
@@MaxIronsThirdthey took away Maelor. What OP said is a point i made on how it was a mistake to remove him. Because yea...now Aegon is basically fighting on the same terms as his sister, which hes fighting agaisnt. It makes him hypocritical. They shouldve included all children and just kept Sophies choice. And B and C taking out the guards.
@@spacelia3920unless they change that too, and they havent yet, Aemond is very much loyal to Aegon. Hes almost an exact copy of Daemon, actually and ironically. Both were extremely loyal to their brothers despite feeling better at the job. Will say, the point about Aegon pushing for a girl heir will be even more apparent if they kill Daeron off screen, and when Aemond dies.
I like the portrayal of normalized disinterest in female point of view. That level of realism on such a massive budget is commendable. Even if most viewers won't notice the injustice
S1E10 - S2E1 - S2E2 is a crazy 3 episode run, this ep definitely reminded me of old Thrones, can’t believe how interesting the Greens have become,I love how it showed Otto being smart and Aegon being kinda dumb but not in a so obvious in your face way, it’s like valid dumbness, good writing. Those twins were great. Rhaenyra and Mysaria interaction was an unexpected delight, so many good interactions this ep.
I dont think Aegon is being sort of dumb, exactly. I think grief is heavily clouding his judgement. He was trying for peace, genuinely, before his son was killed. Grief makes you do dumb things.
@@Rhaenarys Eh, genuinely is a stretch. He was reluctantly open to peace on the advice of his council. But he's been headstrong from the jump. Last episode he argued they should use their dragons and he told Hugh he planned to burn the blockade. He wasn't out for blood like this episode, though.
I love that in that conversation with Aegon, Otto realized Viserys was right. I was half expecting Otto to join the Blacks. No one tell me if he does, I haven't read the book. Also, can we say R.I.P. to the biggest tragedy in all of Game of Thrones: Viserys' model of old Valeryia.
There’s something so small about Aegon that I really love because I see it in the real world so often. He had a father who was taught to lose himself in production. When Viserys lost control, he built things. Whether that was a mode of Valyria or a kingdom, he made something in order to deal with his emotions. This of course directly resulted in him neglecting his son, who not having learned that lesson, destroys things when he feels out of control instead; whether that be a model, a marriage, or a kingdom. Just really excellent mirroring of something I see all the time
This episode was my favourite as well. I think the fight of the twins truly put into perspective how brutal and painful a civil war is. Haelena not being aforded the privacy and dignity to grieve, seeing her get overwhelmed during the espectacle of the funeral ride (I had to remind myself the neck slash was makeup whenever they showed the kid), not even wanting her mother's support (she was recoiling from her touch) and then being completely dismissed by Aegon... It was heartbreaking. I loved Raenhyra calling Daemon up on his bullshit, and Raenhyis supporting her. Also, Sir Criston is the medieval version of a scorned lover, calling Rhaenyra a bitch queen, honestly, whenever he starts talking I just see a right wing machoesfere man
I'm so gratified to hear you use the word "historiography" when it comes to comparing House of the Dragon to Fire and Blood, because that's exactly what it is. It's a *totally* different type of analysis than the comparison between the narrative series of A Song of Ice and Fire and the Game of Thrones adaptation. The fact that Fire and Blood is a history book rather than a narrative completely changes the nature of the way we have to look at it as a source, and too many people overlook that by either not thinking about he difference, or just writing it off as "Well everything is unreliable because it's biased sources." Because historiography isn't about finding unbiased sources: all souces are biased. It's about understanding the biases inherent in a particular source, and weaving that understanding into your framework of analysis. Julius Ceasar's memoirs about the Gallic Wars are a terrible source when trying to learn about the actual Gallic people, or even about his campaign. It's full of propaganda and inflated numbers and exaggerations. However *the things he chooses to exaggerate about and propagandize* tells us an enormous amount about Roman culture and society at the time, because the way in which Ceasar is trying to present himself is basically the picture of what an "ideal Roman" would have looked like to Romans during his lifetime time. And that information can be hugely valuable in analyzing other aspects of Roman history.
As Tyrion says "We are puppets dancing on the strings of those who came before us, and one day our own children will take up our strings and dance in our steads." This basically sums up this episode especially how all the children of Alicent are products of their upbringing
The duel of the brothers was actually a great depiction on how families can split in times of war. A lot of people dont realize that not everyone that fought in a war necessarily agreed with the side they were fighting, but wanted to protect a loved one who WAS fighting for that side. But just as equally, wars like the civil war also had the opposite effect, where some families didnt agree...and ended up fighting agaisnt one another. Not to mention, it wasnt uncommon for the families themselves to have brothers or cousins fight opposing sides....for the sake of being able to say the family had always supported the "right" or winning side...the family that fought agaisnt werent with them. Its horrible, really, but that was the reality of many wars, having brothers who didnt want to fight each other, end up doing so for being on opposing sides.
I literally kept thinking of what Tim might think the whole time I was watching Episode 2. They daringly (and rightly) spent so much time on expanding little moments and letting the plot breathe. Letting the mourning suffer, and letting arguments unfold. This episode really shifted my opinion of the young king, who it was difficult to like before. Fantastic acting. Brilliant portrayal of an angry, grieving father.
I admit, I did not expect Criston Cole to be made the new Hand. In retrospect, I think it makes more sense for Aegon to pick him than Larys, especially when paired with the "steel fist" line.
i think its also good set up for the greens realising how much more difficult things are. if viserys was king and larys had convinced him to remove Otto, viserys would've made him hand, but now all of the players within the green camp have to come to terms with the fact that they dont have a king who will make informed decisions on his best judgement anymore, they have an impulsive and unstable king who's actions are much harder to control and will make decisions like making Criston hand, which are incredibly stupid on the surface. i love that they made Otto finally realise it as well, and i assume we'll see Larys and Alicent come to realise it as well that for better or for worse they cannot really control Aegon in the same way they did Viserys.
This was the best episode of the series so far. Better than a *lot* of GoT episodes! Cargyllbowl was brutal. That shot of Aemond in front of the Harrenhal mural and then moving over to the table and holding the coin up in front of his eye, that was perfection. Tom and Rhys's acting was some of the best we've seen in the whole franchise. Loved Jace and Baela talking about their fathers, Harry is right that they're one of the healthiest couples in asoiaf. Really curious about this very different Hugh characterization... And I had to pause the episode for like, ten seconds because I was SO EXCITED by the Daeron mention! He's the only Green I find tolerable lol
@@BlackJustice2637 Helaena is a Green, sure, but she’s also like… kind of impartial? Like all she wants is her kids to be safe, and she doesn’t really fight.
@@realdaggerman105 I can understand your argument, but she's married to the figurehead of the Greens. Her kids will be at least somewhat more protected if Aegon wins the struggle.
@@Jdjdjdujakzgsha same! I was sure that would happen since Haelena was slowly getting more freaked out and it seemed so "Thrones", I'm glad they didn't do it
@@schwaben4120 also the fact that Alicent wasn’t trying to comfort her but keep her composed and Aegon ignored her after the whole thing. It was painful to watch, my heart went to her
Loved the episode! I thought the fight between Daemon and Rhaenyra was excellent, as was the twins fighting. You couldn't really be sure whho the surviving twin was and I was afraid the surviving one would be killed by the other kingsguard because they couldn't trust him. But they way they handled it was beautiful. I also didn't think I could despise Crispy any more than I already did and he even seemed like he was showing remorse at the start of the episode. But then he goes to guilt shame Arryk into what is essentially a suicide mission to cover his own ass and he's irredeemable to me now.
To be fair, Otto was carrying the idiot ball in this episode too. He talked to the kind like he's a child, and while he IS and nothing Otto said was actually wrong, the lack of tact was inexcusable. Otto could have handled the situation with a lot more care and a lot more humility, and he might not have lost his appointment. But he just went off slinging insults, he acted like he could say or do anything he wanted to and his nephew would just roll over - and that was a huge miscalculation.
Aegon actually being deeply affected by his son's death makes him waaaay more sympathetic. Both he and Otto are justified in their frustrations and it makes their conflict that much more compelling. Peak acting and peak writing.
My favorite thing about this episode was how much we got to see the perspective and part of pain of the smallfolk! Hugh's family, obviously, but even the hanging scene and the twin's fight broke my heart because - none of this needed to happen. So many innocent people paying the cost. All of this pain, suffering, and violence because of these rich a-holes were too busy banging eachother and riding nuclear warheads (dragons) to even come close to doing their job right...
When you said Daemon "believes his own hype", for some reason an image on Elon Musk riding one of his rockets came to mind, I had a real good chuckle lol
I like the series a lot so far. I have seen comments about how book lovers hate the show because of all the differences, but as someone who hasn’t read the book and knows nothing about what is going to happen, I find it incredibly well written and acted as well as very captivating. I look forward to seeing who will win and how.
i think to alot of book readers, they see it as worrying signs that the show is willing to diverge from it on so many things and that it might be an early warning sign of whats to come, like it ended up being for game of thrones. but to be honest as someone who's read fire and blood, i think the vast majority of changes they made for the show have been really solid (with the exception of leaving it so late to introduce Daeron and maybe the Rhaenys dragonpit scene) and that the show almost always makes the most out of these changes
Love the show so far. One small nit-pick though is that it would have been better if they had recast an older actor for Criston Cole when they made their time jump in season 1. He looks too young to be the lord commander, it would have been much better if he looked a bit older like Jamie Lannister.
I think you could have a younger or younger looking actor play him in the first half of season 1, alter his character slightly in that half and then put more focus in aging up the characters with makeup
Im surprised you didnt bring up mysaria. Rhaenyras conversation with her really highlights all of her anxieties with not just daemon, but the realm as a whole. Rhaenyra letting mysaria go also shows a line in a book, women need to bond together in a mans world, that hasnt been said yet. Women need to do what they can for each other, not limited to holding up the promises made. Mysaria sees truth in this and notices rhaenyra knows this as well. Its probably why she warned the castle about the twin
Just for information, the picture of the Targaryen genealogy you used 20 seconds in is not from Reddit but from a youtube channel called Useful Charts.
Yes, Aegon and Viserys react differently to grief, but I also think there is one stark difference between them: Aegon lost his son, who was cruelly murdered in his sleep by the Greens' enemies. Viserys murdered his own wife for a son he never got. So yeah, just to underline Aegon's anger seems more justified, while Viserys' caution (which can be replaced by stupidity or inaction or blindness or refusal to see a problem when there is one in front of him) seems to be something more to do with his own guilt (the last time he took a decision, he killed his wife) than anything else.
I feel like they DID try to convince one another to leave with/stay with them, the issue was that episode was so chopped up and cut back and forth between particularly the sequences of Erryk and Arryk talking, which like completely undermines the fact that there’s more than a technical hunt for the heir on; there’s an emotional persuasion trying to take place with one another that gets really overshadowed and I feel like i would have liked to see one or two moments of either twin just struggling to adjust for the fact his twin isn’t with him before they fought to the death.
In conversation a friend mentions that Cole is the definition of the Peter Effect. But that would imply that he was good at his job originally but he sucked from day one imo. Peter Effect: employees within a hierarchy will ascend until they surpass their level of competence into incompetence.
I think people overlook Rhaenyra spent years in the small council under her father's reign. For better or worse this effects her decisions. Aegon never had that.
Totally agree with you, I think this is a fantastic episode. I see a tiny crack with Adam and Alyn of Hull, curious to know how they land that. The rest is the best we got since the Red Wed
Pretty good. The scene with Rhaenyra and Daemon was probably my favorite. I really enjoyed the Otto and Aegon scene, but one thing that keeps bugging me is that Aegon knew his dad didnt name him heir. He's like the only one who acknowledges that.
I think your videos make me want to try and watch this series! I was very much done after college and the later seasons of GoT…. This…this makes me want to go back!
You should! The old showrunners are nowhere near it, the story is based on a book of histories that is actually complete, and it has that early GoT "prestige" feeling. I wasn't very excited for it after how the last show ended, but I honestly think this does a lot of things better.
Ser Criston Cole is a Psychopathic Knight, loyal to the end. Ser Criston Cole is like a hellhound not good at anything but fighting. Though he's excellent at fighting.
Yep, this was already evident in season 1: Cole's only response to any problem is to escalate it with extreme violence. So far he keeps rising in the world because the times he lives in reward his behavior, but I cannot see a world where he isn't the crappiest Hand imaginable. When he meets a problem he cannot punch to death he is going to have nothing.
Tim, I really love what you said about historiography. Makes me think how TV adaptations are fundamentally constructed on this sense of omniscient viewing. Seeing is believing, right? Compared to the text, especially when framed as from a perspective such as an historical text. I know video can be doctored, blahblahblah but this is certainly and interesting idea to sit with. I hope one day my IP will be adapted and this is something I'd love to see.
Everyone is saying how Otto is the only sly and sensible one in the room but Otto has been the stupid one ever since he started plotting to usurp the throne. How could he really have thought that Aegon would be a simple puppet? That just shows how the lack of emotional intelligence is the green's downfall. Even now he doesn't see that it was his mistake to have treated and keep treating Aegon like shit. I also totally didagree on Otto's view that Aegon ruined his reputation as king by killing those rat catchers. I think it was a good display of strength precisely because it was right after the queens sorrowful parade. It's a massage that says "the royal family has a vulnerable side like any human but the king will not show mercy if he is defied".
I feel the show would’ve been told better if it weren’t in sequential order The whole of season one felt almost like a prologue, and if you need a prologue to tell your story, you need to rethink at what point your story is important
I saw the destruction of Viserys lego set a little differently. Could it be used to parallel the difference in Viserys and Aegons patience as Kings, i saw it as a difference in fathers. Lets be real honest, if Aegon died, would Viserys have grieved for him? More specifically, if Viserys woke up to learn Aegon (as a child) had been beheaded in his sleep, would he have grieved for him? Sure hed have been sad, but lets be clear, Aegon was so unloved by his father(family) that he genuinely saw no value ib himself until his coronation day in the Dragonpit. He asked if his father even loved him. When hes validated by the crowd he feels genuine love for the first time, and when we see him as King, hes trying his best to live up to the people! Hes not living up to Viserys memory, hea actively teying to be better. Hes bringing his son with him, showing him the ropes, trying to be a better more careing and loving father. Something he never had woth his father. So when his son is killed, he lashes out at the memory of his father. Smashing it as of to say, "if youd loved me like a son this wouldnt have happened!!! You always loved this stupid model over your own flesh and blood!!!" I saw that "tantrum" more as an outcry
One thing I kinda don't like is that Aegon's reckless move with the rat catchers actually worked, I prefer the book version where Cheese escaped and Aegon's brutal violence is all for nothing because of his impetuosity. Perhaps he could've rounded up the rat catchers and asked Helaena to identify which of them, if any, was the one from that night, but instead he acted before thinking, accomplishing nothing and stinging himself
Game of Thrones (the TV series) was never good, we just never had anything to actually properly compare it to until it ran long enough to compare it to itself. The show runners cut out or left unfinished almost all of the more fantastical aspects of GRRM's incredible world building. They cut out nearly every queer character and wrote out nearly every queer aspect of the "main" cast/characters, and of the two queer characters they kept, Renly and Loras, they're reduced to stereotypes and the strength and multiplicity of their persons diminished. And all that's before the mountain of text that could be written about its awful trivialization and contempt it holds for its female characters. I don't mean to trash the incredible efforts the actors and production crews put into the show, but it all seems so wasted to have the endeavor helmed by two failsons who seem to hold such hatred for the source material beyond whatever spectacle they can pull from it. Game of Thrones was just an exercise in vapid cynism. It's night and day with House of the Dragon. It stands as a testament to what can be accomplished when people actually love and understand the material, and is actually competent enough not just to adapt it, but to elevate it, properly fleshing out its world and characters, making eminent their humanity.
I felt this episode fell flat. Despite all the character drama and the stories of immense importance portrayed in the episode, the directing and cinematography really threw me off. Didn't allow me to connect with the characters. The whole episode felt like a 2010 shot BBC drama. And the swirling blur effect they have since the previous episode just takes me away from the story.
Two episodes into this second season and this show absolutely SUCKS. It is so boring and so lame and so uninteresting, i don't even think I'm gonna watch anymore. I think I'm done with all things Thrones.
@@alphasword5541 I waited 1 week for a ep that was a filler. No action, no tension, weak dialogue, and in 80 min it felt like nothing changed. While in a show Barry many eps had 40min and it felt like a 3 eps in one, where a lot changed.
Respectfully, I thought this ep was great. I think the interpersonal drama of the GoT world is the best part, and makes the big battles that much sweeter when they do happen. (And we know they will)
One day I'll learn to film in focus properly. And I swear if any of you correct me on "hanged", I'll hang you myself.
~ Tim
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Please don't hung me Tim
Ok so the quality isnt my crappy phone lol. Good to know.
I love how Alicent tries to confide in Otto after he trauma dumps on her, only for him to go “damn, that’s crazy but I don’t remember asking”
Honestly, he probably knows but doesn't wanna hear to avoid that mental image. I probably wouldn't wanna hear about my daughter sleeping with the blandest man on earth lol
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I figured it was not wanting to hear the reality verbalised, because it shakes their delusions of superiority...
@@gabrieldossantos1116 Whether he already suspects the the truth or not, I'd say that after the still fresh tragedy and having just got done yelling at Aegon for all the shocking big problems he & Criston Cole stirred up, Otto probably really doesn't want any more bad news weighing on his mind right now.
See I saw that as her voluntarily giving up a secret (her and Cristin) to Otto as a show of respect and trust. She was trying to negate the advantage that Larys might have over her and also show Otto that she's still on side. But instead of gaining an advantage over his daughter, Otto told her that it didn't matter. He wasn't going to use her sins against her.
I actually took it as, "child.. you getting off as a widow is hardly a sin..." idk...i just got that vibe. 🤷🏼♀️
I love how the Greens have no emotional strength. To see the king walk past his grieving wife, for Alicent to come to her father only for her tell her he doesn't want to hear it, to then Alicent to walk in on her grieving son and not consoling him and just walking out of the room. Its great character writing on how that lack of care is passed down through the family.
Alicent leaving Aegon crying wrecked me. He's a monster, but for a long time I thought Alicent's core redeeming quality was some love of her children. Yet, like her father refusing to comfort her, she turned her back on her own son.
@@squeezlepopI think it's less her turning her back on her son and more of her just genuinely not knowing how to comfort her son.
Ofcourse this doesn't excuse her behavior.
But Alicent was never given any warmth or taught any emotional intelligence from her father. She was never consoled.
She was taught to suppress her emotions ever since she was a teenager.
I think she just genuinely doesn't know how to share emotions and unfortunately passed down the same trait to her Children.
I've heard some wild takes on this series. Makes me wonder sometimes if we're watching the same show. Some say that Aegon and Helaena had a "I know your pain" moment of shared grief, in that glance. I didn't get that at all. I agree more with your explanation of emotional stuntedness and negligence being passed on. Aegon and Helaena have a weird dynamic. He's not overtly abusive, at least in public. I think they have more of an estranged roommate relationship and Aegon takes his pleasure elsewhere. There are so many failed firings of connection between these people. Otto has no time for anyone else, Alicent is too cowardly or just isn't equipped with the tools to be a mother and Aegon and Helaena live on different planets. It's a tragedy.
I love how Rhaenyra being honorable and letting Mysaria go inadvertently saved her own life when Ser Arryk arrives to kill her. Such a brilliant way of weaving those plot threads together and rewarding Rhaenyra’s good nature
Are we supposed to infer Mysaria went back to warn the blacks? Or is it from the book?
@@aspacelex Infer. I thought it was pretty clear tbh.
@@Mwezi828 That's how I interpreted it too since I know she's an important book character and the blacks are missing a spymaster, but all we see in this ep is that she recognized him, she doesn't start returning, we don't see her tell someone about Arryk.
@@aspacelex then you need things spelled out. How do you think erryk magically went inside rhaenyra's room in the nick of time? You are meant to infer that she raised the alarm, which is why she hailed the ppl taking her to the boat to stop. She obviously returned to the castle
@@aspacelex She definitely recognised him and sent the warning. Didn't need to have a scene for it, since the drama was whether or not the other brother was going to make it back in time.
Can we just apreciate how good Tom Glynn-Carney is as Aegon.
Just because I hate these unoriginal comment: NO
Daemon calling the murder of Jaehaerys a mistake seems like a textbook example of weaponized incompetence. So glad to see Rhaenyra register how pathetic of an excuse it was.
Your Grace, it was one time omg.
I really chuckled in that scene with Aegon, Cole and Otto; his face while Aegon was explaining Cole's brilliant plan was priceless
That was good. I also liked that haunted, wide-eyed look where Cole said something like "There is no forgiveness for us" in response to Alicent.
Rhaenyra: Do you believe your own hype that much?
Daemon: I AM THE HYPE.
I KNOW WHAT THAT IS
A lord hears the flap of wings and gets burned, and you think that of me? No. I am the one who burns!
While Otto might be an experienced politician, he's also a fool. Neither he nor Viserys ever paid any mind to Aegon, or spent any time teaching him how to rule. And now he's like *surprised pikachu face* when Aegon has no idea how to be king and wants nothing to do with Otto. And Otto thought he could *control* Aegon the same way he controlled Viserys, absolutely missing how giving absolute power to an isolated, unloved teenager who hates him will blow up in his face.
Not to mention that Otto is a hypocrite. He rolls his eyes and calls Criston and Aegon a fool for sending Arryk to Dragonstone, when last season he suggested the very same idea: sending Harrold Westerling to assasinate her on Dragonstone. Aegon is fully in the right for resenting Otto. From his PoV, he's been absolutely useless so far, while his family is being slaughtered around him.
Very true. While there are "smarter" individuals, the whole conflict is deeply irrational and ultimately the fruit of petty ambition.
~ Tim
Reminds me of Cersei thinking that Joffrey would still listen to her after he became king
Yeah, Otto's assumption that everyone else will adhere to the same rules that he does has repeatedly been his downfall. Especially since he ignores his own rules at his convenience.
@@balabanasiretiCersei, and literally every adult in kings landing that had some sort of say were all id10ts. For real lol. Cersei shouldve grabbed regency immediately, and because she didnt, one of the other lords shouldve jumped on that discussion lol. Like who in their right minds thought a 13 yr old was old enough to rule? Lol. Have him crowned and annointed, yes, but control? 😂😂😂 how stup!d!
Ok im done lol. I just think that makes no sense in GoTs. At least here Aegon is considered an adult whos already sired heirs. Not a 14 yr old boy lol.
Otto is basically Tywin, genius politician and manipulator, but has a terrible blindspot for his family and their emotions, therefore is incapable of working with them or even have a healthy relationship
I love that it shows aegon walking past helaena when ahes crying and you think "oh what a dick"
Then at the end pf the episode when hes crying you see Alicent refuse to comfort him. Then ypu realize its learned. He doesn't console helaena because thats bot what he was taught. And its really sad
Also the way Helaena nods as he walks away. Like she either expected it or thinks she deserves it. :(
And Alicent learnt it from her father, who used her both as political pawn and as a therapist for her entire life, yet refused to listen to her own grievances and suffering. It's all about generational trauma in here!
Phia's acting and the camera work on that procession scene is phenomenal. The discomfort Helaena felt, plus the suffocating shots of the small folk made me feel like grasping for air myself
I think it’s interesting how in this episode Aegon has inherited Viserys’s position both as king and his position after Aemma’s death - loved one dead, only a daughter for a child and a rogue brother - but Aegon hasn’t inherited his father’s personality. Meanwhile Rhaenyra has more of Viserys’s cautious personality, but not really the same position - she still has four heirs, extended family that she trusts, her rogue relatives somewhat on her side - so she can’t really fall down the same path as Viserys and it seems like she isn’t. It’s interesting to see how both claimants have inherited something from their father, yet not all which makes all the difference
Aegon has a second boy, so he still has another heir, plus Aemond isn't a rogue brother at all.
@@MaxIronsThird I know he has a son in the book but Maelor seems very much like he’s cut from the show, and Aemond isn’t on the same level as Daemon but he certainly isn’t as loyal as Aegon seems to think
@@MaxIronsThirdjoin us in watching the show and not assuming the biased textbook is the script
@@MaxIronsThirdthey took away Maelor. What OP said is a point i made on how it was a mistake to remove him. Because yea...now Aegon is basically fighting on the same terms as his sister, which hes fighting agaisnt. It makes him hypocritical.
They shouldve included all children and just kept Sophies choice. And B and C taking out the guards.
@@spacelia3920unless they change that too, and they havent yet, Aemond is very much loyal to Aegon. Hes almost an exact copy of Daemon, actually and ironically. Both were extremely loyal to their brothers despite feeling better at the job.
Will say, the point about Aegon pushing for a girl heir will be even more apparent if they kill Daeron off screen, and when Aemond dies.
Hotd is a breathe of fresh air right now.
I agree. [insert fitting fire-spitting dragon metaphor]
I like the portrayal of normalized disinterest in female point of view. That level of realism on such a massive budget is commendable. Even if most viewers won't notice the injustice
S1E10 - S2E1 - S2E2 is a crazy 3 episode run, this ep definitely reminded me of old Thrones, can’t believe how interesting the Greens have become,I love how it showed Otto being smart and Aegon being kinda dumb but not in a so obvious in your face way, it’s like valid dumbness, good writing. Those twins were great. Rhaenyra and Mysaria interaction was an unexpected delight, so many good interactions this ep.
I dont think Aegon is being sort of dumb, exactly. I think grief is heavily clouding his judgement. He was trying for peace, genuinely, before his son was killed. Grief makes you do dumb things.
@@Rhaenarys Eh, genuinely is a stretch. He was reluctantly open to peace on the advice of his council. But he's been headstrong from the jump. Last episode he argued they should use their dragons and he told Hugh he planned to burn the blockade. He wasn't out for blood like this episode, though.
I love that in that conversation with Aegon, Otto realized Viserys was right. I was half expecting Otto to join the Blacks. No one tell me if he does, I haven't read the book. Also, can we say R.I.P. to the biggest tragedy in all of Game of Thrones: Viserys' model of old Valeryia.
The scar reference was perfect considering lion king turned 30 years old yesterday
There’s something so small about Aegon that I really love because I see it in the real world so often. He had a father who was taught to lose himself in production. When Viserys lost control, he built things. Whether that was a mode of Valyria or a kingdom, he made something in order to deal with his emotions. This of course directly resulted in him neglecting his son, who not having learned that lesson, destroys things when he feels out of control instead; whether that be a model, a marriage, or a kingdom. Just really excellent mirroring of something I see all the time
This episode was my favourite as well.
I think the fight of the twins truly put into perspective how brutal and painful a civil war is.
Haelena not being aforded the privacy and dignity to grieve, seeing her get overwhelmed during the espectacle of the funeral ride (I had to remind myself the neck slash was makeup whenever they showed the kid), not even wanting her mother's support (she was recoiling from her touch) and then being completely dismissed by Aegon... It was heartbreaking.
I loved Raenhyra calling Daemon up on his bullshit, and Raenhyis supporting her.
Also, Sir Criston is the medieval version of a scorned lover, calling Rhaenyra a bitch queen, honestly, whenever he starts talking I just see a right wing machoesfere man
I'm loving how the minor characters are the ones catching strays. It's the perfect reflection of war.
I'm so gratified to hear you use the word "historiography" when it comes to comparing House of the Dragon to Fire and Blood, because that's exactly what it is. It's a *totally* different type of analysis than the comparison between the narrative series of A Song of Ice and Fire and the Game of Thrones adaptation.
The fact that Fire and Blood is a history book rather than a narrative completely changes the nature of the way we have to look at it as a source, and too many people overlook that by either not thinking about he difference, or just writing it off as "Well everything is unreliable because it's biased sources." Because historiography isn't about finding unbiased sources: all souces are biased. It's about understanding the biases inherent in a particular source, and weaving that understanding into your framework of analysis.
Julius Ceasar's memoirs about the Gallic Wars are a terrible source when trying to learn about the actual Gallic people, or even about his campaign. It's full of propaganda and inflated numbers and exaggerations. However *the things he chooses to exaggerate about and propagandize* tells us an enormous amount about Roman culture and society at the time, because the way in which Ceasar is trying to present himself is basically the picture of what an "ideal Roman" would have looked like to Romans during his lifetime time. And that information can be hugely valuable in analyzing other aspects of Roman history.
As Tyrion says "We are puppets dancing on the strings of those who came before us, and one day our own children will take up our strings and dance in our steads."
This basically sums up this episode especially how all the children of Alicent are products of their upbringing
The duel of the brothers was actually a great depiction on how families can split in times of war. A lot of people dont realize that not everyone that fought in a war necessarily agreed with the side they were fighting, but wanted to protect a loved one who WAS fighting for that side. But just as equally, wars like the civil war also had the opposite effect, where some families didnt agree...and ended up fighting agaisnt one another. Not to mention, it wasnt uncommon for the families themselves to have brothers or cousins fight opposing sides....for the sake of being able to say the family had always supported the "right" or winning side...the family that fought agaisnt werent with them.
Its horrible, really, but that was the reality of many wars, having brothers who didnt want to fight each other, end up doing so for being on opposing sides.
I literally kept thinking of what Tim might think the whole time I was watching Episode 2. They daringly (and rightly) spent so much time on expanding little moments and letting the plot breathe. Letting the mourning suffer, and letting arguments unfold. This episode really shifted my opinion of the young king, who it was difficult to like before. Fantastic acting. Brilliant portrayal of an angry, grieving father.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who immediately thought of Scar saying that line when I watched the episode lol
I admit, I did not expect Criston Cole to be made the new Hand. In retrospect, I think it makes more sense for Aegon to pick him than Larys, especially when paired with the "steel fist" line.
i think its also good set up for the greens realising how much more difficult things are. if viserys was king and larys had convinced him to remove Otto, viserys would've made him hand, but now all of the players within the green camp have to come to terms with the fact that they dont have a king who will make informed decisions on his best judgement anymore, they have an impulsive and unstable king who's actions are much harder to control and will make decisions like making Criston hand, which are incredibly stupid on the surface. i love that they made Otto finally realise it as well, and i assume we'll see Larys and Alicent come to realise it as well that for better or for worse they cannot really control Aegon in the same way they did Viserys.
Two huge dialogues in one episode. When Rhaenyra Daemon one started I thought it was shallow, but as it grew longer and fuller it became a highlight
This was the best episode of the series so far. Better than a *lot* of GoT episodes! Cargyllbowl was brutal. That shot of Aemond in front of the Harrenhal mural and then moving over to the table and holding the coin up in front of his eye, that was perfection. Tom and Rhys's acting was some of the best we've seen in the whole franchise. Loved Jace and Baela talking about their fathers, Harry is right that they're one of the healthiest couples in asoiaf. Really curious about this very different Hugh characterization...
And I had to pause the episode for like, ten seconds because I was SO EXCITED by the Daeron mention! He's the only Green I find tolerable lol
Not hard to be better than a lot of GoT episodes tbf. 😂
Wait, you don't find Helaena tolerable?
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Helaena is a Green, sure, but she’s also like… kind of impartial? Like all she wants is her kids to be safe, and she doesn’t really fight.
@@realdaggerman105 I can understand your argument, but she's married to the figurehead of the Greens. Her kids will be at least somewhat more protected if Aegon wins the struggle.
@@BlackJustice2637 Out of the Greens that fight for the Green cause, is more what I meant
Rhys was SOOOO GOOOOD!
Little Jehaerys' funeral procession broke me
I thought his head was going to roll off when the cart got stuck…
@@Jdjdjdujakzgsha I know 💔
@@Jdjdjdujakzgsha same! I was sure that would happen since Haelena was slowly getting more freaked out and it seemed so "Thrones", I'm glad they didn't do it
Helaena going into sensory overload and having a panick attack had me literally sobbing
@@schwaben4120 also the fact that Alicent wasn’t trying to comfort her but keep her composed and Aegon ignored her after the whole thing.
It was painful to watch, my heart went to her
Loved the episode! I thought the fight between Daemon and Rhaenyra was excellent, as was the twins fighting. You couldn't really be sure whho the surviving twin was and I was afraid the surviving one would be killed by the other kingsguard because they couldn't trust him. But they way they handled it was beautiful.
I also didn't think I could despise Crispy any more than I already did and he even seemed like he was showing remorse at the start of the episode. But then he goes to guilt shame Arryk into what is essentially a suicide mission to cover his own ass and he's irredeemable to me now.
If Viserys was a decent father, grandfather, or husband to his second wife. then maybe his son would not destroy his shit.
I hope the story soon gets more sprawling soon, I miss people going out in the wilderness and having small adventures
To be fair, Otto was carrying the idiot ball in this episode too. He talked to the kind like he's a child, and while he IS and nothing Otto said was actually wrong, the lack of tact was inexcusable. Otto could have handled the situation with a lot more care and a lot more humility, and he might not have lost his appointment. But he just went off slinging insults, he acted like he could say or do anything he wanted to and his nephew would just roll over - and that was a huge miscalculation.
Aegon actually being deeply affected by his son's death makes him waaaay more sympathetic. Both he and Otto are justified in their frustrations and it makes their conflict that much more compelling. Peak acting and peak writing.
I'm glad the show is getting all the drama out of the way, so we can finally see some awesome dragon-on-dragon action scenes.
Which battle are you excited for most? I can't wait for Tumbleton, Gullet and God's eye and Sunfyre vs Moondancer
My favorite thing about this episode was how much we got to see the perspective and part of pain of the smallfolk! Hugh's family, obviously, but even the hanging scene and the twin's fight broke my heart because - none of this needed to happen. So many innocent people paying the cost. All of this pain, suffering, and violence because of these rich a-holes were too busy banging eachother and riding nuclear warheads (dragons) to even come close to doing their job right...
I thought the ballad of brothers needed more too but my wife was in tears and had only barely watched the first season lol
When you said Daemon "believes his own hype", for some reason an image on Elon Musk riding one of his rockets came to mind, I had a real good chuckle lol
I like the series a lot so far. I have seen comments about how book lovers hate the show because of all the differences, but as someone who hasn’t read the book and knows nothing about what is going to happen, I find it incredibly well written and acted as well as very captivating. I look forward to seeing who will win and how.
i think to alot of book readers, they see it as worrying signs that the show is willing to diverge from it on so many things and that it might be an early warning sign of whats to come, like it ended up being for game of thrones. but to be honest as someone who's read fire and blood, i think the vast majority of changes they made for the show have been really solid (with the exception of leaving it so late to introduce Daeron and maybe the Rhaenys dragonpit scene) and that the show almost always makes the most out of these changes
Love the show so far. One small nit-pick though is that it would have been better if they had recast an older actor for Criston Cole when they made their time jump in season 1. He looks too young to be the lord commander, it would have been much better if he looked a bit older like Jamie Lannister.
I think you could have a younger or younger looking actor play him in the first half of season 1, alter his character slightly in that half and then put more focus in aging up the characters with makeup
Im surprised you didnt bring up mysaria. Rhaenyras conversation with her really highlights all of her anxieties with not just daemon, but the realm as a whole.
Rhaenyra letting mysaria go also shows a line in a book, women need to bond together in a mans world, that hasnt been said yet. Women need to do what they can for each other, not limited to holding up the promises made. Mysaria sees truth in this and notices rhaenyra knows this as well. Its probably why she warned the castle about the twin
I did like all the mirroring between the sides. Not only does Otto get to show his appreciation for Viserys, Rhaenyra gets to defend her father.
Notifcation gang! Excited to see how you tackle this
Just for information, the picture of the Targaryen genealogy you used 20 seconds in is not from Reddit but from a youtube channel called Useful Charts.
My respect for Rhaenyra went up very, very slightly when she called Daemon pathetic.
Yes, Aegon and Viserys react differently to grief, but I also think there is one stark difference between them: Aegon lost his son, who was cruelly murdered in his sleep by the Greens' enemies. Viserys murdered his own wife for a son he never got. So yeah, just to underline Aegon's anger seems more justified, while Viserys' caution (which can be replaced by stupidity or inaction or blindness or refusal to see a problem when there is one in front of him) seems to be something more to do with his own guilt (the last time he took a decision, he killed his wife) than anything else.
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I legit said this out loud the moment I saw otto's face after Aegon started talking about the "action Ser Cole had taken"
I feel like they DID try to convince one another to leave with/stay with them, the issue was that episode was so chopped up and cut back and forth between particularly the sequences of Erryk and Arryk talking, which like completely undermines the fact that there’s more than a technical hunt for the heir on; there’s an emotional persuasion trying to take place with one another that gets really overshadowed and I feel like i would have liked to see one or two moments of either twin just struggling to adjust for the fact his twin isn’t with him before they fought to the death.
In conversation a friend mentions that Cole is the definition of the Peter Effect. But that would imply that he was good at his job originally but he sucked from day one imo.
Peter Effect: employees within a hierarchy will ascend until they surpass their level of competence into incompetence.
I think this was my favorite episode yet!
I think people overlook Rhaenyra spent years in the small council under her father's reign. For better or worse this effects her decisions. Aegon never had that.
Totally agree with you, I think this is a fantastic episode. I see a tiny crack with Adam and Alyn of Hull, curious to know how they land that. The rest is the best we got since the Red Wed
I never watched an episode of this or game of thrones, but I like listening to you discuss stuff
Great video.
Pretty good. The scene with Rhaenyra and Daemon was probably my favorite. I really enjoyed the Otto and Aegon scene, but one thing that keeps bugging me is that Aegon knew his dad didnt name him heir. He's like the only one who acknowledges that.
They could do the brother’s song when they’re burying them in the next episode. Would be a nice solemn bow on the duo
I think your videos make me want to try and watch this series! I was very much done after college and the later seasons of GoT….
This…this makes me want to go back!
You should! The old showrunners are nowhere near it, the story is based on a book of histories that is actually complete, and it has that early GoT "prestige" feeling. I wasn't very excited for it after how the last show ended, but I honestly think this does a lot of things better.
Ser Criston Cole is a Psychopathic Knight, loyal to the end. Ser Criston Cole is like a hellhound not good at anything but fighting. Though he's excellent at fighting.
Yep, this was already evident in season 1: Cole's only response to any problem is to escalate it with extreme violence. So far he keeps rising in the world because the times he lives in reward his behavior, but I cannot see a world where he isn't the crappiest Hand imaginable. When he meets a problem he cannot punch to death he is going to have nothing.
@@Oxtocoatl13just ask the mob haha
Tim, I really love what you said about historiography.
Makes me think how TV adaptations are fundamentally constructed on this sense of omniscient viewing. Seeing is believing, right? Compared to the text, especially when framed as from a perspective such as an historical text. I know video can be doctored, blahblahblah but this is certainly and interesting idea to sit with. I hope one day my IP will be adapted and this is something I'd love to see.
Everyone is saying how Otto is the only sly and sensible one in the room but Otto has been the stupid one ever since he started plotting to usurp the throne. How could he really have thought that Aegon would be a simple puppet? That just shows how the lack of emotional intelligence is the green's downfall. Even now he doesn't see that it was his mistake to have treated and keep treating Aegon like shit.
I also totally didagree on Otto's view that Aegon ruined his reputation as king by killing those rat catchers. I think it was a good display of strength precisely because it was right after the queens sorrowful parade. It's a massage that says "the royal family has a vulnerable side like any human but the king will not show mercy if he is defied".
If we don’t see King’s Landing overrun by rats I will be disappointed.
In the books they buy 500 cats for the Red Keep haha
~ Tim
@@twothefuture is this why arya is chasing cats?
I feel the show would’ve been told better if it weren’t in sequential order
The whole of season one felt almost like a prologue, and if you need a prologue to tell your story, you need to rethink at what point your story is important
I saw the destruction of Viserys lego set a little differently. Could it be used to parallel the difference in Viserys and Aegons patience as Kings, i saw it as a difference in fathers.
Lets be real honest, if Aegon died, would Viserys have grieved for him? More specifically, if Viserys woke up to learn Aegon (as a child) had been beheaded in his sleep, would he have grieved for him? Sure hed have been sad, but lets be clear, Aegon was so unloved by his father(family) that he genuinely saw no value ib himself until his coronation day in the Dragonpit. He asked if his father even loved him. When hes validated by the crowd he feels genuine love for the first time, and when we see him as King, hes trying his best to live up to the people! Hes not living up to Viserys memory, hea actively teying to be better. Hes bringing his son with him, showing him the ropes, trying to be a better more careing and loving father. Something he never had woth his father.
So when his son is killed, he lashes out at the memory of his father. Smashing it as of to say, "if youd loved me like a son this wouldnt have happened!!! You always loved this stupid model over your own flesh and blood!!!"
I saw that "tantrum" more as an outcry
This worked great to listen to. Visually, it was well edited, but the camera was just slightly out of focus.
Have you read First Law by Joe Abercrombie??
The season will end with the death of Cole. I'm calling it rn
One thing I kinda don't like is that Aegon's reckless move with the rat catchers actually worked, I prefer the book version where Cheese escaped and Aegon's brutal violence is all for nothing because of his impetuosity. Perhaps he could've rounded up the rat catchers and asked Helaena to identify which of them, if any, was the one from that night, but instead he acted before thinking, accomplishing nothing and stinging himself
Yeah, him not caring about Helaena at all really bit him back in this episode. I'm sure it'll only get worse for him too.
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Daemon Targaryen to his black kids, stepkids, and toddlers. He will pay equally no attention to you.
It’s peak
1:33 *hanged
Ma ma mia
not even close to GoT before it surpassed the books
At least as good
BETTER than GOT.
Daeron The Daring > Rhaegar Targaryen
Is the brothers duel a poor fight scene? I felt the action direction lacking, a good fight coreografy would have me hooked.
As good as Throne? No… much better than Throne. Throne shat the bed in season 5.
I need to be rewarded for arriving first here.
After Shogun this is just okay, it's not great. Dialogue is very basic, high school-like
Not bad but mysaria is a waste of screen time in my opinion. Tragically so.
Game of Thrones (the TV series) was never good, we just never had anything to actually properly compare it to until it ran long enough to compare it to itself. The show runners cut out or left unfinished almost all of the more fantastical aspects of GRRM's incredible world building. They cut out nearly every queer character and wrote out nearly every queer aspect of the "main" cast/characters, and of the two queer characters they kept, Renly and Loras, they're reduced to stereotypes and the strength and multiplicity of their persons diminished.
And all that's before the mountain of text that could be written about its awful trivialization and contempt it holds for its female characters.
I don't mean to trash the incredible efforts the actors and production crews put into the show, but it all seems so wasted to have the endeavor helmed by two failsons who seem to hold such hatred for the source material beyond whatever spectacle they can pull from it. Game of Thrones was just an exercise in vapid cynism.
It's night and day with House of the Dragon. It stands as a testament to what can be accomplished when people actually love and understand the material, and is actually competent enough not just to adapt it, but to elevate it, properly fleshing out its world and characters, making eminent their humanity.
I felt this episode fell flat. Despite all the character drama and the stories of immense importance portrayed in the episode, the directing and cinematography really threw me off. Didn't allow me to connect with the characters. The whole episode felt like a 2010 shot BBC drama. And the swirling blur effect they have since the previous episode just takes me away from the story.
…..wut?
As someone who hates BBC dramas, this was not that. What?
I agree with OP
@@alphasword5541 hm given the talk online, maybe I was in the wrong mood and should give it a rewatch
Two episodes into this second season and this show absolutely SUCKS. It is so boring and so lame and so uninteresting, i don't even think I'm gonna watch anymore. I think I'm done with all things Thrones.
This ep was boring as hell
Genuinely tell me what you would have instead, I need to know
@@alphasword5541 I waited 1 week for a ep that was a filler. No action, no tension, weak dialogue, and in 80 min it felt like nothing changed. While in a show Barry many eps had 40min and it felt like a 3 eps in one, where a lot changed.
Go stick your head in the sand somewhere and think about how stupid your statement is.
Respectfully, I thought this ep was great. I think the interpersonal drama of the GoT world is the best part, and makes the big battles that much sweeter when they do happen. (And we know they will)
@@danielkjm how are you real