So one of the things you probably don’t think about is that building every character is resource intensive. That’s a lot of resin not used on artifact domain and your vertical investment because of it will be lacking. When I do IT I am managing my focus on main power units to make sure I save my strong units for the boss rounds. First time I had no idea I was suppose to buy characters from my points 😂 I lost all my strong units and got stuck using my built but not as strong units for the later rounds after being forced to buy character slots to even continue challenging the mode (and even then I thought the point was not using my points). I full starred IT even like that. But I had to retry the last act several times to get it under the time limit. This round I knew to buy characters early. I washed IT. I just had to redo one stage because I opted to use cryo rizzly with elemental timepiece / no buffs and the mobs didn’t group up. So swapped Ito include XL and melt rizzly cleared much faster. My account is more horizontally invested than vertically. So I see people who focus a few units to have far better builds than I normally have. I have “abyss” viable builds. Aka. I work on building enough ER then having a decent crit/crit dmg mix with their primary stat (atk or hp or def) on a good artifact set.
Yeah... i just started 3 months ago... I don't have enough hydro characters, and not enough characters in general... I have 14 characters. They rarely run cryo and there are not many hydro characters that are 4 stars....
@@Asheriancommandif you just started 3 months ago then the hard mode is obviously not for you? it’s endgame content.. just do the versions with 10 or 14 characters or whatever
@@tactichloe You beeches are not smart it's ENDGAME because it's been checking if you've been building more than 8 characters for the past 4 years like be serious
One of Diona's dialogues in this mode put it best. "There's no new enemies, no weird critters with long antennas, no strange plants with funky juices to make horrible concoctions. This place is boring."
Is this the lobby I’m confused how the characters are picking mine were Ei,Miko,Sara and Xianyun they were the team I used for last stage so maybe luck ?
I found Mona SUPER useful for the defense phase because her skill lures enemies away from the monolith and her burst traps enemies and stops them from moving or attacking. It felt so nice to finally be able to use Mona again and have her feel useful. My monolith had 91% health left when I completed that round
It feels weird to have Jello review IT. I think someone who has every character fully levelled, and built, would find it easy. but for most people, it's not easy and RNG is brutal.
Maybe for you. I have a C2 Furina, a Xiangling, and no other dps, so for me it's "How do I spread my supports along with the trial dps characters to beat all eight stages? Which friend's dps should I get? And I don't have complete access to my roster, so should I waste this good character early even if it's not according to plan?"
@@givemeaworkingname You also have a month. Get some supports to a moderate level of functionality and just clear it before it ends. If your account is so new that you literally don't have the characters to build, then hard mode literally isn't for you.
Even the last one wasn’t hard The problem with the Theater was and is that most players have been busy with vertical investments of the characters from the beginning of the game in order to complete the spiral abyss, and suddenly you hit them with an End game content that requires them to build 18 characters instead of 8 That’s the actual problem
"most players" no. you forget a lot of players only started in Sumeru and Fontaine, and they (including me) are still trying to get enough characters of multiple elements.
@@TheJH1015 I started playing in version 3.6 and I don’t have so many characters built in every element. For example I only have one Cryo character which is well built and that’s Layla. Also when you mention players who started playing in Fontaine then they are only a proportion. So that proves my point even further. And if you started playing in Fontaine you can’t possibly have 20 well built characters with the best weapons and artifacts unless you are a whale
The problem isn't even 18 characters, the problem is you need 18 built characters of specific 3 elements. In the worst case scenario you'll need at least 6 built characters of each element. You'll need 42 built characters (of any elements) to participate in IT without any problem ever.
I like IT because it punishes players who vertically invest too much (i.e players who save for 2 years to get a C6 5*), as well as those who min/max character builds to only work in a certain team. Broadening your pool is the better way to enjoy the game imo.
Yes it definitely rewards people like me who builds almost every character to be able to handle overworld. I have the luxury of doing so because I’ve been actively playing since mid Inazuma. I think the restrictions are dumb, especially that you can’t play with empty team slots. Like why? I see no reason to implement that
I've gotten 36* in the abyss for months now, but I still struggle with IT, with only six flowers on hard so far. So many people say this mode is easy, but they have no idea how hard it is for some. Others say it's only an element check, but they don't know why it's not that simple. Jello, I appreciate the nuance in your take.
I've been playing this game for 2.5 years now and still can't 36* abyss. 34 is as far as i get and im happy with that. For me, imaginarium is a fun challenge of character building and resource management, but typically the big foght at the end is WAY too easy. If i get stuck its on fight 3 or 6 when I'm trying to complete with some trash team so i don't blow my best characters immediately.
@@ravissary79Cool, yeah, my IT experience is very similar. I usually get stuck around 3-5 for the exact same reason as you. Sometimes I give up and use something early, and then I can't fight 7. At least this time, I just borrowed a friend's C2 Neuvillette for 6. 😄
Honestly I need to rethink my strategy for abyss because currently nothing is working. But to be honest theatre is just an elements check if you don't have enough characters built it's going to suck (not to mention that putting Emilie is cruel joke because literally nobody has her) it's pretty easy as you don't need those flowers from my understanding at least all you need to do is beat every fight to get the rewards.
Resin check is the other check that doesn't get mentioned, because a lot of people have year+ accounts. Even my f2p alt is over a year now and I.T. has been very easy these last two element configurations. I'll be in trouble if it's ever Anemo/Cryo/Geo though. My nearly 3 year main has enough leveled artifacts and characters that I could field 10 abyss teams that all perform a correct/real team archetype.
The worst thing about this IT is that cryo is not a popular element whatsoever and a grand total of 4 hydro 4* exist in this game, and Xingqiu is the only one of those thats actually good, and Barbara is a trial character so you can't even build her to fill one of the slots, so you're gonna be stuck building a bunch of characters for a while, and most of them that you build are never gonna be used again after you complete the IT run
You say that but I had way more than 18 characters available. Cryo, while unpopular, is one of the most common elements and you don't need that much investment for them to do their job. It's also easy to make a competent team unlike the previous one where half the characters were bad in overload.
@@alexplayer77 cryo has a lot of units, but barely any of them are actually good, especially in the current meta, and the ones that are good are all 5 stars, so if you haven't already pulled a Ganyu, Ayaka, or Wriothesley, then you'd just be wasting resources to fit the quota and then never using them again.
Only 3 Hydro units that are 4-stars. Two of them are starters, one of which (Barbara) takes up a mandatory spot. Of all the post-1.0 Hydro units, only one is a 4-star (Candace).
I really like Imaginarium theatre however I think it lacks replayability and in my eyes I think they should change it to be a weekly thing where every week we get new restrictions. If they did that perhaps they could also change around the restrictions such as allowing certain weapon types instead of just elements. I just think its a fun casual end game mode overall and I just wish I had more insentive to play it more often
It's wild how well designed all the HSR endgame modes are but this one seems like there's so many arbitrary limitations in place. Are they afraid casual players won't play it if you have to do it multiple times in a patch to get the rewards?
Weekly would be way too often for many players. F2p and newer players need a bit of time to build characters for the current restriction. Even the old abyss was only once every two weeks. My account has 36* every abyss since November but I still struggle with IT.
@@latitude990genshin caters much more to its casual audience while hsr is more tryhard in its game modes. Thats why the only endgame mode for a long time was spiral abyss
As someone who is struggling to get past act 4, and is still figuring the theater out, and doesn't have his characters as built as all of yours, it doesn't feel easy at all. I do accept it is easy for you.
Not really...I started 200days ago ...and having 44charcters ....only 8charcters level 40 ....11charcter fully maxed ...I. Able to do act 8 but with zero stars ...but yeah got all primos ..I'm f2p so I need primos 😮
@@Lucyx8258 theatre requires horizontal investment,, which is almost impossible for new players (who don't know much about the game) who to build and how to.. but 200 days are more than enough to acquire that knowledge and build some character. Its not impossible its just once dedication.
I love the IT since it allows me to viably play all of the various characters. I enjoy leveling all of my characters, and I'm currently 6 characters away from everyone being 70+.
As I have stated this multiple times to other people on other platform, Theater is a “Resource Management” Test, it will be easy, because this game mode was designed to make players actually build and play multiple characters that they have 0 incentive to build because people (meta wise) hyper focused on few specific characters to hard build for abyss (which is fine), unless something big changes in the whole theater mechanic, I don’t see it being changed anytime soon on how they make this game mode as “Easy” but “Need A Lot” of characters Because if they make the HP pools higher, then it doubles the investment people need to make (they already don’t want to build 18 characters let alone building them well enough to do well in some mumbo jumbo team comps) Or they make the hp pool higher but reduced the needed characters to enter… in which case…. I mean…. That’s just abyss lol That’s why as easy as theater is, it teaches player to strategize in terms of who to use (like keeping at least 1 bow for act 8 final boss, or cryo for the lightning horse), which characters would work at least decently together, and what to do with what they have, which honestly after playing other gacha games for 10 yrs, using what you have instead of coping on trying to get stuff you can’t get, has taught me a lot So yeah if we expect theater to be “Harder” abyss or “Abyss 2.0” then it’s going to feel off when we clear it so easily with well built characters and a lot of investment Abyss and theater are 2 diff end game and 2 diff lessons, you don’t need much of “rotations” or “perfect artifact roll” or “perfect i-frames” on theater, that’s the beauty of it Ofc theater can and should be improved, but for now, I’m fine with my free easy primos every month Also, enkanomiya OST goes hard, never would’ve thought I’d see someone remembers enkanomiya let alone using its OST
I am one of those "meta" players, I mean I am more focused in having 5 star characters that I like and their early constellations than building 30 c0 5 star characters and not liking half of them. The only thing that would make me have more 5 star characters and more leveled 4 star characters would be some content to actually use them and this theatre thing is just not it. I am just not going to level bunch of characters I'll never play in general just to use them for 10 min once a month in theater. I'll rather just have 200 primos less that month which is nothing. That's how it is now for me. I am ar60, 100% map, multiple character in top 0.1% but I can't enter the last stage because most of my 5 stars are like c1 or c2 and I'm missing 3 character to enter the last stage but honestly that's fine because like I said 200 primos is nothing compared to the rest of primos we get from each patch. It's whatever to me. Neither is theatre content interesting enough, neither are rewards significant enough for me to level other character just to have 18 characters of particular elements in order to enter the last stage. I would need an endgame mode that makes me use those character for longer periods of time to actually invest in those other characters but I know that's not gonna happen because the whole point is to spend as little time possible in the game because of the laws in that part of Asia. So we will probably never have some actual longer endgame content. And I mean, maybe some people play theater for hours just for fun with tons of different combinations. I am just not and I bet most of the people are not. Once I beat it that month I am done with it and moving onto other games and other stuff I do in life. At this point I'm playing the game just to wait for the new regions and the continuation of the story, otherwise I would quit because it's just boring, especially if you are 100% endgame player.
the only thing I want from this mode is to be more fun, eg enemies have more hp but we get more impactful buffs you can do crazy stuff with, more like in sim uni in hsr. Right now the buffs are irrelevant and everyone just chooses to have more characters avaiable to make sensible teams
The "difficulty" with the theatre is not the content itself. It's the fact that a large portion of the playerbase just don't have enough characters to do hard mode. Just think of how long it would take a very casual player to build and level all these characters of the right element. I would wager the perspective of the "average" Genshin player is not that of a 4 year veteran putting hours into the game every single day.
As a 4 year veteran lol 😂 I log in everyday but barely do resin etc and building horizontally is also luck based lol. Building everyone is a lot of resources. And I need to build more weapons tbh to test things out but don’t have the crystals (weapon exp to go crazy). You technically only need to level them to 70 which isn’t too much investments. Now if you want to give them decent talent levels and a decent artifact set. Different story.
My tip is not be afraid to use Neuvillette on non-boss round that you have trouble DPSing. The bosses are single target. Neuvillette is good for multi target that are weak to Hydro. For single target, you can use Xingqiu/Yelan combo.
F2ps might struggle due to the scarcity of 4 star hydros and lack of f2p friendly cryo appliers. Even anemo is tough from an f2p perspective since only sucrose is 4 star and easy to build.
MC is free and can cover hydro or anemo. Kaeya is free. Barb is free, but a rental this time. Unless you've never lost a 50/50 and also had terrible luck with the standard banner, you should have some filler 5 stars as well. If you're not new (why would a newer player be worried about endgame content?), you shouldn't have much trouble slapping some units together unless you've had some truly amazing/terrible luck with pulls.
9:29 I ended up using Nilou bloom with Nahida as a Special Guest, but had Furina as my healer because I used up Barbara. It felt so wrong, but I guess that is what this game mode is for.
lol yeah I simply could not be bothered to swap equipment around. it's unreal that hoyo refuses to implement loadouts especially with this mode being introduced hahaha
Y’all not building Bennys Gf? The disrespect! 😂 you gotta build bennys gf man. Don’t sleep on dps Barbara lol or do a cheap clams Barbara lol just for some hydro application / heals. I haven’t used a single trial character once as I do have everyone built. Have everyone at minimum lv 70/80 with most talents at 666 with viable builds that don’t need to be swapped around for the abyss.
I just never understood who this gameplay is geared towards, as a veteran player I can use a dps Xingqiu to clear it. While new players can’t even try it due to the 18 characters requirements
For the people who did modest~heavy horizontal investment instead of hyperfocusing on getting top 0.5% Abyss teams and can enjoy slapping together random teams and watching stuff explode? It's definitely not intended for new players, the AR and character level requirements alone rule that out.
@@N1GHTM4R3W0LF I’m not sure, the enemies are way to easy to beat, so testing a team comb or your dps would be useless since they die in seconds. Additionally the way this is set up it doesn’t allow you to actually build viable teams. For example: Running Wrio and Ayaka on the same team with sucrose and Cadance, that only works if the enemies have really low hp. As an endgame character that builds a lot of characters with their own unique sets, I prefer trying them out in the abyss still
@@Lexi_1013-alf You're supposed to be able to play with a lot of your characters, that you barely use - not make viable team comps. In fact, the entire purpose, is that you can't just rush through the entire mode with one team. Why is that so hard to understand? It's clearly intentional with the vigor system and other limitations. You're not supposed to test the damage ceiling of your OP teams, you're supposed to have a place for your badly invested characters to have some playtime as well.
As a veteran day 1 player with every character in the game built. Unless you fully refreshed everyday you probably don’t have every character anywhere near min maxed and even for us who horizontally invested in our characters will not be using our best teams to get through challenges because of the vigor system. For example I used rizzly xq yelan and faruzan to clear the crab boss. I proceeded to use only yelan or only xq as my hydro applicator on the following two rounds and saved vigor on day neuvi / furina for the final round to easily clear it. Most people do not supports who can brute force the full stars. They may lack the necessary resources like building viable ER stats for good rotations. Lackluster crit/crit dmg ratios. Or a whole sleuth of other issues - especially for those who did vertically invest in their account to min max the Abyss.
In my opinion this mode required a lot more time in the oven. It feels like there's absolutely no cross communicating between teams because while Divergent Universe was built to be a mode Firefly stomps in HSR, it is at least trivial to try different things or team comps because the game syncs characters up to a certain baseline if they're below it. Like Divergent Universe it should have no requirements of leveling a character to 70, if a character is below a certain threshold it should raise those components to Trial character levels, and it should either have one more vigor per character or allow you to field a team with less than four characters if desired (something that's rarely ever relevant in Divergent Universe but it does allow you to). Combat is made to be pretty trivial in this mode because if you're leaning on trial characters and/or supporting cast mostly they still want you to clear Act 8 with a bit of tactical play. The stars don't matter for rewards, but they're the only thing that really requires investing in characters. If the player was on average expected to be stronger, then combat could be harder. But they are aware that it takes probably too long (in terms of resin) to be able to get that many characters to that power level.
I hate that I'm forced into a 4 member team comp when previous similar event challenges allowed you to chose not to use 4 but 3 or 2 even 1 character if you wanted.
Putting aeonblight at the end was a wrench for me. I had no bow users at that point. Luckily wrio charge attacks and furina was enough to kill it in time.
Charlette is my only built cryo character. I don't even have many cryo due to not usually liking the element (kind of like geo to me). I demolished the first imaginarium theater, but this one was impossible for me. I just don't have the elements for this one. I have way too many hydro and not enough anemo or cryo. I managed to beat it on medium difficulty, so I'll likely just be happy with that and call it a day.
TLDR: I love imaginarium, because i invested horizontally AND vertically because of charcater roles. Building units for imaginarium helps for abyss teams too, like double electro charged teams/one side aggravate because of broken niche 4 stars mixed in with good 5 star supports. Everytime i pulled for characters or built them it was for 2 reasons. Balanced vertical and horizontal investment but on the basis of roles. For example. When i pulled Wriothesley my appeal came from the fact i could use all the elements with him. (From burning to freeze to mono) especially with all the normal attacks. I pulled for Kazuha even though i had Shenhe so that he would have a buffer if i used my kazuha somewhere else, and i just kept going like that. (I never wanted to pull him just because he was meta) Even though i pull like that i am still like 3-5 characters short every imaginarium theater. But this one was weird since i didn't have switch any artifacts around. For my 16. I guess im a freeze main and just waiting for Yelan and switching into Anemo Traveller to play hard mode. I'm just glad i never built an account on 8 characters only. And because of imaginarium, I'm building some 4 stars that improve this flexibility vertically, like finally building my beidou for more electro sub dps, rosaria for more cryo sub dps, etc. I ignored these units but they will come in handy for imaginarium now. And it is hard to suffer if there are 3 elements, there is at least one or two that will carry you, and you have a whole month to make up for it. I built 5 lvl 70 characters, with lvl 20 weapons, and bare minimum artifacts from my mains and played 3 man teams last imaginarium. I didn't get all stars and barely made it, but still did and i think those 180 primos are worth it. Because after they are built, you might not struggle for units again for the abyss as well. Now i can do like a kaeya rosaria reverse melt one side, and Wriothesley freeze the other if the abyss asked for it. Same with one side beidou electro chargerld and another lisa aggravate, etc, etc... I hope this changes some minds on genshin in general
The Seahorse... "really easy"... well, I don't have Shenhe or Ganyu... I do have a L83 Ayaka with L90 Mistsplitter, a L90 Kazuka, a L81 Diona, and a L84 Charlotte... and a L85 Xiangling... and I couldn't beat it in the time allowed, multiple different teams and multiple attempts. I tried the L80 Xiao provided (don't have him either), with my L85 C6 Faruzan and couldn't do that either - I was hitting for about half what you were. In the end, the only way I could get through it in the time was to use my L90 Neuvillette/Furina/Kazuha team, which I really wanted to save for the last fight. I think, to have anything close to the experience that most "normal" players have with this feature, you should use all the provided characters, not your own.
idk man I did it in just 53 seconds with the trial ayaka, fav lance rosaria, kazuha, and charlotte. perhaps a build issue or just need to play around the boss mechanics better. feel free to join our discord hopefully someone can point you in the right direction :)
@@JelloImpact Thanks for the reply... Yes, I do imagine it's build issues, but they're "resource restricted", like most players? Every week, it's a choice between levelling a talent to 9 or 10, or raising a couple of artifacts to L16, or ascending a character... the game simply doesn't provide enough Mora to do everything. My guess is that I can get about a million per week, and just ONE crowned talent costs 700,000! I've been playing every day for over 2 years, I just hit AR60, and even though I have quite a few L90 characters and weapons, I have zero complete L20 artifact sets - half the characters I'm taking into this event have L7 talents, L70 weapons and L12 artifacts. I guess Genshin is like real life... for it to be easier, we just need more money! 🤣
@@JelloImpact I tried again... Kazuha seems to be the key - I crushed it with 2 different teams in 40-50 seconds... but I wanted to save Kazuha for the grouping levels - I'm not sure the one where you have to beat 45 enemies is possible without him!
Hardest part for me was needing to level 2 characters to 70 because I don't really build Cryo units. The monolith defense level can also be annoying if you don't have good AOE characters lined up
Thxfully this was usefull to tell that we dont need Theatre tierlists, and analyze characters for theatre is actually disingenuous, they work exactly as they would on abyss, because the nature of the challenges is the same but on lower difficulty, because the "difficulty" spike is have more characters invested, not even have "the best" characters invested, just characters invested, theatre is a pulls + resin check, while abyss is an optimization check, but guess what, if you build for optimization, your characters are inmediatly competent for theatre, whoever they are. Theatre tierlisting is disingenuous and even missleading both for monetary investment and resin investment, just keep tierlist based on optimization for abyss, that would work for theatre too, if people is getting bad results on theatre, is not to sound mean or rude, but it just means the game wants you to optimize better your characters and that hoyo want you to pull more, so you have to farm artifacts, lvl up your weapons, lvl up your talents for a point where you just dont struggle anymore, theatre is a bigger time-check than abyss, you can beat abyss in like weeks if you work for it, theatre you just cannot get and build that many characters that fast.
I'm 3 months playing this game.. I cleared 1 stage with furina, 2 stages with Ayaka, 3 stages with xiao, 1 stage with neuvi, final stage with neuvi, furina.. Got lucky on mystery cache and got xiao once more to play Tip: use Ayaka and one hydro(xingqui or barbara to freeze) on defense stage, select ruin guards.. Very Easy
i was so excited when i saw that freeze was meta again but wasnt even able to complete in hard mode because i had only 16 leveled characters in the required elements, hopefully i can build them up before the season ends
There are 6 rentals and 1 friend unit. You only need to borrow two characters between them to have enough to participate - did you just have freakish luck and have all of your 16 overlap with the rental/friend units, or lump the rentals in with your 16?
@@Savashri that is exactly what happened, i don't add many people so i could only borrow a kokomi from someone which made the total 16, everything else overlapped
It really does feel more like a "do you have enough characters" check more than anything. I don't have enough for hardmode (something that won't resolve itself soon given all my resources are spoken for for the foreseeable future) but normal is so easy it isn't even interesting (I may decide to replay it to get character voicelines, but not for the mode itself).
@@JelloImpact "Welcome to Jello Impact where we build and test EVERY CHARACTER..." That might be the reason why it was easy for you, not all of us are swimming in money
@@Kyosukedono You don't need every character built though. Assuming no overlap with rentals and having a friend unit to borrow, you only need to contribute 11 characters from a blend of 3 elements. If you've been playing long enough to be worried about endgame, you should have enough to cover that, even if it's janky teams with suboptimal units. It doesn't take a whole lot of work to get them ready for IT either, so this seems like an overblown problem unless you've just been saving and dumping everything into trying to C6R5 a couple of teams for Abyss as a F2P or something.
Spiral abyss makes me bring the best teams I got that I’m familiar with playing. IT makes me bring individual characters for makeshift clunky feeling teams.
This mode really needs to amp up the dfficulty and make buffs actually matter. Currently it's literally just a character check. Heck, I even did a hard 8* run without artifacts and I'm sure there are people out there who had made even crazier stuff already
Personally I like having to level up some new characters. Gives me stuff to do in the game on a daily basis rather than just dailies. I’m primarily a lore person and I only level up characters that I really want like the Knave, Chlorinde and others, so it gives me a chance to do more in the game and find characters that I enjoy using
For me, this IT is WAYYYY easier. I could finally breeze through these levels and left with flower clears. Last one was so hard for me, I couldn't even finish the hard type of it. So, depends on which characters you use! Good luck!!
The moment i saw IT featured random character selector i knew it would be an annoying and frustrating experience. Too easy to funnel in characters incompatible with no synergy.
so i have this issue where for some fricken reason i cant use my c5r4 top 7% Raiden shogun in the theater and she the only one i have that is hyper invested like that 💀💀💀💀💀💀
For me it’s annoying because I can clear till floor 11 in spiral abyss but I can’t go above easy mode at all because I just don’t have enough characters, especially with the element restrictions
The thing with this game mode is that yes, in the first few months it is awful. People are scrambling to build characters they don't care about, use whatever artifacts and weapens available. Most dread the day we'll have to play geo. But: imagine a few months later, after most people have already built enough characters of every type. It's going to be beyond easy. After the pressure of building unwanted characters has lifted, maybe we'll even enjoy making weird teams.
Played since 2.1 (with a couple hiatuses), 32 of my 61 characters built to lv 90 with varying degrees of skill/artifact investment, this shit was made for me, lol.
For me, the difficulty is just fine. I am glad to be able to use many characters without needing vertical investment for them to success. It is just not possible for me to invest in enough characters for this mode if they have to be cracks. The first boss was the only one I couldn't get my stars. I used Ayaka (my build version), Venti, Charlotte and Mona because that's what I got. It was a little bit annoying to play this team against this boss because not enough cryo to destroy fast his shield with 2 cryo.
As someone who prefers spreading my resaources rather thinly and building many characters i like, putting meta aside, IT has been great for me, definitely enjoy it more than the spiral abyss.
It literally isn't. I barely cleared on my friends account that had just enough investment and my borrowed Nuevillette. If you think that it's easy on your fully invested account then good for you. But for other players it can be harder than you think. They were lucky that trial DPS characters were the ones they didn't have and that Xiangling and Nahida were special invite characters.
yeah. honestly as a newer player that just started in april, i'm starting to get really turned off by whale content creators that trivialize everything in the game. their subscribers just parrot and whine the same things they do. there aren't really any good places for newer players to enjoy content without having to deal with 1.0 community mentality
@@Vickiraytive I mean there are easy and normal modes for a reason. If it was designed in a way that newer players could easy clear hard mode, it wouldnt be an end game mode.
@lordfifth4520 I have no qualms with the game mode. I finished normal mode last month and have finished easy this go so far. I'm pretty happy with my progress. I have qualms with the community for being so 1.0 minded as a whole and not leaving space for newer players to enjoy the game. It's not great being new at a game and discovering that most of the community actively hates the game while continuing to play it. They are demanding and entitled and since they are the loudest in the community, they are a pretty huge turn off overall. For a game that is meant to be co op, it isn't a very welcoming place to find people to play with. If you struggle with something, it's only a matter of time before all the "skill issue" comments pop up. If you play characters that aren't meta, people will tell you that's why you're trash, and really the only way to enjoy Genshin is to not participate with any of the community.
I think this mode is in the sweetspot for my account. I had the exact number of character needed to do it but like 60% of them where level 70, no talents and crappy lvl 10-12 artifacts. So lets say I had some struggles, but in the end the trial characters and my well built characters managed to drag the rest of the gang throuh all of it. So I didnt felt frustrated, but it was hard enough for me to feel that it was a personal accomplishment.
the first time this game mode first came out, I beat it on my FIRST TRY without going back a level on hard mode, now this time I had to do a full reset 4 times because I didn't know how to beat the enemies time after time. I was finally able to beat it ON the last second when 0:00 was shown and i legit felt like crying
The last imaginarium made me completely broke. Now I don't have the resources to level up Rosaria, Diona or Yelan if I happen get her. If this their tatics to make us buy Battle Pass, some manipulative evil genius right there.
Funny enough, the biggest thing stopping me from building enough characters to finish this mode is actually all the local specialties I need to gather (almost 1 year old account but I don't usually play more than an hour per day). Talent and weapon books only being available on certain days doesn't help either.
I personally feel like this game mode is much easier than the abyss, if you're only going for the primos. The abyss punishes you much harder for not having "correct" builds, while the theatre is much more forgiving and lets you get away with some improvised jank teams (still assuming you have enough units to play, especially a few who can carry a whole challenge). That being said though, theatre is significantly less fun to play through imo, simply because it's not fun to play with weird, unoptimized teams. It lacks the satisfaction you get from performing your studied rotations and see your teams unleash their full potential, which is why you're grinding and building all these units to begin with, and although the bonus challenges literally don't matter, it still feels very discouraging to fail them, which makes for an overall frustrating experience (even when you're winning).
I don’t have any complaints about this gamemode lmao. my account started since 4.0 I don’t pull for neuvilette because he reran with kazuha at that time. My initial characters that were built is furina, xingqiu, kazuha, venti, jean, nahida, xiangling, traveler. They release the elements that were gonna be in the next theater beforehand, plenty time that i could build mona, charlotte, layla, rosaria, nilou in time. I even built tignhari, navia in the midst of all that as well, and their important talents. No excuse that you can’t build characters in time. Lvl 70 is all you need after all. Side note: Venti in this mode is crazyy, especially when you get a revive card for him. He just carries everything.
i didn't manage to clear hard mode on last IT, but i managed on this one... with exactly one second left on the clock at the last stage lmao. my builds aren't the best but i manage. it ends up striking the perfect balance of challenging and enjoyable. IT definitely gives me a reason to build more and better though.
This imaginarium scammed me so hard. 5 of the 6 trial characters were characters I already had built, resulting in me literally not having enough characters built for the theater. I had to run around collecting chests to get filler characters up to level 70 just so I could chuck them in teams doing nothing so my actually built carries could clear the content work
I think full stars in this cycle is harder, but the boss chambers are way easier due to none of them posing any damage threat (unlike Coppelius for example). For the mob chambers, there are a lot of annoying enemy sets that only want one specific element (hydro zoo = cryo, pyro lector = hydro, etc.), which can randomly tank your run's stars if you happen to be in the wrong configuration, e.g. you were trying to balance your elements like normal and got caught unable to suddenly funnel 4 cryos into a single mob chamber.
I'm glad i didn't have to build extra characters for this one due to being a hydro main and a former Ganyu enjoyer. Still spent about an hour in this IT because i feel compelled to use trash teams and retry stages early on just to unleash my best team on act 8 and smoke it in 30 seconds.
You don't need to build every character you have. Factoring in rental characters and a friend unit leaves you with 11 slots to fill on your own from a blend of 3 elements - we've had a free character for just about every element, and MC can fill anything but pyro or cryo at present. You don't need to invest heavily in these characters to succeed in IT either, so unless you're super new (at which point, why are you worrying about "endgame" content?) or just almost never pull, you shouldn't really have much trouble.
I think you have a bias since you have all the characters, for me with a limited roster compared to my pyro and electro roster, it was a bit more engaging due to my limited options, I don’t have neuvillette or any limited 5* cryo dps so my damage options were pretty limited. For people that want a tip, kayea is a good cryo applicator, just getting him to 70 and slap 200-300% ER and he’ll do fine if you use xingqui , yelan, or furina w/ kazuha. I also like Lynette on the monolith challenges because her cat in the box ult attracts mobs and eats some damage that would go to monolith. If you’re using all trial characters, use xiao for first 2, then use ayaka for 3 and 6. Lastly try to save furina for 8.
The normal mode was easy af, but I couldn’t even beat the first part of the hard mode where all the archers are spread out around the circle. It reminds me of the old abysses
Just to add a perspective here - I can't clear Abyss Floor 12. No archons, no neuvi, invested in some non-meta units and am fine with missing out on the last few primos. I can clear Theatre-Hard, though I struggled with a couple chambers and I'm definitely not getting all those flowers. It may feel like it's "if you have the charas you insta-clear" - but it's actually, "if you have enough meta units built to clear abyss you insta-clear." If you have enough units but they're not min-maxed, IT is still a nice challenge comparable to Floor 11 and feels like it is rewarding me for experimenting with different teams.
Imaginarium Theatre can be easy or tough, depending on what you are going after. If you are going for just the primogems, it is very easy. Just need to complete every stage.4-Star characters can probably do the job. If you are going for 8 stars, some skills may be need to meet the stated requirements. It can become tough or time-consuming. Anyway, good luck to the challengers!
Yeah its easy, however speaking as player that started mid april of this year, and managed 33 star the abyss in this season, i just dint have enough cryo and hydro pulls till now, cant even do medium challenge 11/12 chars. Plus giving barbara as trial is fkin dirty.
I'm in the same boat. I specifically vertically invested because I think this game makes farming for new Characters to annoying and now this mode punishes that for almost no upside
@@dawensci7134 What else do you want newer players to do? Just level every Character they get? You don't have the resources for that. And how does that equal more skill? I did not imply vertical investment as in pulling for cons or 5* weapons.
Yeah, it is easy if you have the right characters obtained and built. Hard if you don't. Such is the problem with the theater. Still, it is more fun than sweating on floor 12 of the abyss lol
I thought this mode was going to be much more replayable and boons based. Like in rogue-likes, where you want to get specific combos of boons to make you go crazy, This version of Imaginarium Theatre seems like Abyss 2.0 which requires more built chars but less individual power. What I do like about it tho is the environment and the different cosmetics you can get. Abyss location just feels lame after you discover it for the first time and get the waypoint - 0 atmosphere...
Compared to the previous run that needed pyro characters that I seriously lack, this one seems like a breeze. I have proper units to use this time around. My Ganyu hits like a truck, especially with Melts, and Xiangling is here. My Neuvillette solos whatever I throw him at. Yelan/Xingqiu/Furina can kill stuff without evenbeing on the field with their coordinated attacks/Furina skill. Giving me access to both Cryo and Hydro at ones makes me scared what they're gonna do next, as these are my 2 strongest elements by far. Also having some bonus anemo for CC, like Venti/Kazuha/Sucrose, or for healing like Xianyun is really nice too. Alternatively, Wanderer/Trial Xiao + Faruzan is still an option. Edit: Also, why would you need a healer for Melt Ganyu? It's a shielder you want. Diona for example. Or Layla. Also, playing on controller won't help with this. Ganyu is leagues above what she could ever perform using controllers, if you use a proper mouse to aim. Seeing her being used as an off-field unit physically hurts, considering what an awesome carry she is.
Yeah, this mode is quite cynical, it's basically the gacha mode, all it takes is having enough characters half-decently raised. Wish they made a mode where player ability and planning mattered.
reminder you don't need full stars for all the primos! and going healerless is much more viable because you are healed in between fights
cool video!
Not unless you get unlucky and get the affix where a crit makes you lose 5% hp, I got it on floor 5 with all the hydro elementals.
we're WHAT between fights? 🤯
rushed the last season 3h before it ended and didn't realise oops
Wait, I always go for all stars, but what do they even do?
Careful with titles next time
As someone who "builds and tests every single character" , Imaginarium theatre was never supposed to be hard for you.
yeah idk why he ever thought it would be hard for him lol
@@tactichloe Right? lol
So one of the things you probably don’t think about is that building every character is resource intensive. That’s a lot of resin not used on artifact domain and your vertical investment because of it will be lacking. When I do IT I am managing my focus on main power units to make sure I save my strong units for the boss rounds.
First time I had no idea I was suppose to buy characters from my points 😂 I lost all my strong units and got stuck using my built but not as strong units for the later rounds after being forced to buy character slots to even continue challenging the mode (and even then I thought the point was not using my points). I full starred IT even like that. But I had to retry the last act several times to get it under the time limit.
This round I knew to buy characters early. I washed IT. I just had to redo one stage because I opted to use cryo rizzly with elemental timepiece / no buffs and the mobs didn’t group up. So swapped Ito include XL and melt rizzly cleared much faster.
My account is more horizontally invested than vertically. So I see people who focus a few units to have far better builds than I normally have. I have “abyss” viable builds. Aka. I work on building enough ER then having a decent crit/crit dmg mix with their primary stat (atk or hp or def) on a good artifact set.
When the hardest part of endgame is actually having enough leveled character to somehow have 18 in total in order to actually play endgame content.
Yeah... i just started 3 months ago... I don't have enough hydro characters, and not enough characters in general... I have 14 characters. They rarely run cryo and there are not many hydro characters that are 4 stars....
like how is this even end game at all its literally a money check lmao
@@Asheriancommandif you just started 3 months ago then the hard mode is obviously not for you? it’s endgame content.. just do the versions with 10 or 14 characters or whatever
Agreed@@veeerooooo
@@tactichloe You beeches are not smart it's ENDGAME because it's been checking if you've been building more than 8 characters for the past 4 years like be serious
One of Diona's dialogues in this mode put it best.
"There's no new enemies, no weird critters with long antennas, no strange plants with funky juices to make horrible concoctions. This place is boring."
Is this the lobby I’m confused how the characters are picking mine were Ei,Miko,Sara and Xianyun they were the team I used for last stage so maybe luck ?
@@neoinfinity5204whatever team you use for the last stage you just did will appear in the lobby
meanwhile me with 2 cryo units and a lvl 20 kaeya
Same but I have alot of anemo and hydro so it was still pretty easy
same im so cooked😭
Yep started building freminent and Charlotte just a week ago only lvl 50ish
Levelup charlote and kayea and be happy. You have time until reset
endgame content is not for new players.
I found Mona SUPER useful for the defense phase because her skill lures enemies away from the monolith and her burst traps enemies and stops them from moving or attacking. It felt so nice to finally be able to use Mona again and have her feel useful. My monolith had 91% health left when I completed that round
Oooh nice tip, I got a well build Mona so I can use that lol, my worst rounds are always the defense ones. XD
For me with venti and mona that phase was easy
A 4 star freeze team gave me similar results, if you do the robot defense, just keep em frozen and they can’t damage it
It feels weird to have Jello review IT. I think someone who has every character fully levelled, and built, would find it easy. but for most people, it's not easy and RNG is brutal.
This mode is just ‘do you have 4 dps characters of the correct elements built to solo 2 chambers with each’
you aint even need 4 for full primos, you get trial ones and can borrow a friends'
not rlly, I did it with just 2 dps, rest from borrow and show
Maybe for you. I have a C2 Furina, a Xiangling, and no other dps, so for me it's "How do I spread my supports along with the trial dps characters to beat all eight stages? Which friend's dps should I get? And I don't have complete access to my roster, so should I waste this good character early even if it's not according to plan?"
@@givemeaworkingname You also have a month. Get some supports to a moderate level of functionality and just clear it before it ends. If your account is so new that you literally don't have the characters to build, then hard mode literally isn't for you.
You can't solo them. And if you could, you still can't get full stars.
Even the last one wasn’t hard
The problem with the Theater was and is that most players have been busy with vertical investments of the characters from the beginning of the game in order to complete the spiral abyss, and suddenly you hit them with an End game content that requires them to build 18 characters instead of 8
That’s the actual problem
"most players" no. you forget a lot of players only started in Sumeru and Fontaine, and they (including me) are still trying to get enough characters of multiple elements.
@@TheJH1015
I started playing in version 3.6 and I don’t have so many characters built in every element. For example I only have one Cryo character which is well built and that’s Layla. Also when you mention players who started playing in Fontaine then they are only a proportion. So that proves my point even further. And if you started playing in Fontaine you can’t possibly have 20 well built characters with the best weapons and artifacts unless you are a whale
The problem isn't even 18 characters, the problem is you need 18 built characters of specific 3 elements. In the worst case scenario you'll need at least 6 built characters of each element. You'll need 42 built characters (of any elements) to participate in IT without any problem ever.
I like IT because it punishes players who vertically invest too much (i.e players who save for 2 years to get a C6 5*), as well as those who min/max character builds to only work in a certain team. Broadening your pool is the better way to enjoy the game imo.
Yes it definitely rewards people like me who builds almost every character to be able to handle overworld. I have the luxury of doing so because I’ve been actively playing since mid Inazuma. I think the restrictions are dumb, especially that you can’t play with empty team slots. Like why? I see no reason to implement that
I've gotten 36* in the abyss for months now, but I still struggle with IT, with only six flowers on hard so far. So many people say this mode is easy, but they have no idea how hard it is for some. Others say it's only an element check, but they don't know why it's not that simple. Jello, I appreciate the nuance in your take.
Yeah, that 12 -1 has too many waves and is a problem, Im sure I can beat it if I retry the floor, but 35 stars first try is where I stop.
I've been playing this game for 2.5 years now and still can't 36* abyss.
34 is as far as i get and im happy with that.
For me, imaginarium is a fun challenge of character building and resource management, but typically the big foght at the end is WAY too easy. If i get stuck its on fight 3 or 6 when I'm trying to complete with some trash team so i don't blow my best characters immediately.
@@ravissary79Cool, yeah, my IT experience is very similar. I usually get stuck around 3-5 for the exact same reason as you. Sometimes I give up and use something early, and then I can't fight 7. At least this time, I just borrowed a friend's C2 Neuvillette for 6. 😄
Honestly I need to rethink my strategy for abyss because currently nothing is working.
But to be honest theatre is just an elements check if you don't have enough characters built it's going to suck (not to mention that putting Emilie is cruel joke because literally nobody has her) it's pretty easy as you don't need those flowers from my understanding at least all you need to do is beat every fight to get the rewards.
Resin check is the other check that doesn't get mentioned, because a lot of people have year+ accounts. Even my f2p alt is over a year now and I.T. has been very easy these last two element configurations. I'll be in trouble if it's ever Anemo/Cryo/Geo though.
My nearly 3 year main has enough leveled artifacts and characters that I could field 10 abyss teams that all perform a correct/real team archetype.
The worst thing about this IT is that cryo is not a popular element whatsoever and a grand total of 4 hydro 4* exist in this game, and Xingqiu is the only one of those thats actually good, and Barbara is a trial character so you can't even build her to fill one of the slots, so you're gonna be stuck building a bunch of characters for a while, and most of them that you build are never gonna be used again after you complete the IT run
To be fair, the few Hydros there are, are really powerful and Furina is an absolute unit
Me with my two cryo queens Ganyu and Ayaka built and collecting dust from all the patches where cryo hasn’t been meta 😭😭😭
You say that but I had way more than 18 characters available. Cryo, while unpopular, is one of the most common elements and you don't need that much investment for them to do their job. It's also easy to make a competent team unlike the previous one where half the characters were bad in overload.
@@alexplayer77 cryo has a lot of units, but barely any of them are actually good, especially in the current meta, and the ones that are good are all 5 stars, so if you haven't already pulled a Ganyu, Ayaka, or Wriothesley, then you'd just be wasting resources to fit the quota and then never using them again.
Only 3 Hydro units that are 4-stars. Two of them are starters, one of which (Barbara) takes up a mandatory spot. Of all the post-1.0 Hydro units, only one is a 4-star (Candace).
I really like Imaginarium theatre however I think it lacks replayability and in my eyes I think they should change it to be a weekly thing where every week we get new restrictions. If they did that perhaps they could also change around the restrictions such as allowing certain weapon types instead of just elements. I just think its a fun casual end game mode overall and I just wish I had more insentive to play it more often
It's wild how well designed all the HSR endgame modes are but this one seems like there's so many arbitrary limitations in place. Are they afraid casual players won't play it if you have to do it multiple times in a patch to get the rewards?
Weekly would be way too often for many players. F2p and newer players need a bit of time to build characters for the current restriction. Even the old abyss was only once every two weeks. My account has 36* every abyss since November but I still struggle with IT.
@@latitude990genshin caters much more to its casual audience while hsr is more tryhard in its game modes. Thats why the only endgame mode for a long time was spiral abyss
@@givemeaworkingnamedefinitely targets people who focus build because I can’t 36 star abyss but it especially this one was so easy
Good take Ramsay
As someone who is struggling to get past act 4, and is still figuring the theater out, and doesn't have his characters as built as all of yours, it doesn't feel easy at all. I do accept it is easy for you.
Ez for old players
Hard for new players
Bro, fr, like now I know how Saitama feels
Almost like it's endgame
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret if its endgame why is it so freaking easy. Theather will forever be a gimmicky event cosplaying as permanent end content.
Not really...I started 200days ago ...and having 44charcters ....only 8charcters level 40 ....11charcter fully maxed ...I. Able to do act 8 but with zero stars ...but yeah got all primos ..I'm f2p so I need primos 😮
@@Lucyx8258 theatre requires horizontal investment,, which is almost impossible for new players (who don't know much about the game) who to build and how to.. but 200 days are more than enough to acquire that knowledge and build some character. Its not impossible its just once dedication.
I love the IT since it allows me to viably play all of the various characters. I enjoy leveling all of my characters, and I'm currently 6 characters away from everyone being 70+.
I don't have enough characters to participate
U can use hydro/anemo traveler if u active them and just have them there and carry with dps characters
@@GhostyBoi119tsYou can't use Traveler.
@@scaler7812 u can as long as they are leveled I literally did it, u have no idea what your talking about
As I have stated this multiple times to other people on other platform, Theater is a “Resource Management” Test, it will be easy, because this game mode was designed to make players actually build and play multiple characters that they have 0 incentive to build because people (meta wise) hyper focused on few specific characters to hard build for abyss (which is fine), unless something big changes in the whole theater mechanic, I don’t see it being changed anytime soon on how they make this game mode as
“Easy” but “Need A Lot” of characters
Because if they make the HP pools higher, then it doubles the investment people need to make (they already don’t want to build 18 characters let alone building them well enough to do well in some mumbo jumbo team comps)
Or they make the hp pool higher but reduced the needed characters to enter… in which case…. I mean…. That’s just abyss lol
That’s why as easy as theater is, it teaches player to strategize in terms of who to use (like keeping at least 1 bow for act 8 final boss, or cryo for the lightning horse), which characters would work at least decently together, and what to do with what they have, which honestly after playing other gacha games for 10 yrs, using what you have instead of coping on trying to get stuff you can’t get, has taught me a lot
So yeah if we expect theater to be “Harder” abyss or “Abyss 2.0” then it’s going to feel off when we clear it so easily with well built characters and a lot of investment
Abyss and theater are 2 diff end game and 2 diff lessons, you don’t need much of “rotations” or “perfect artifact roll” or “perfect i-frames” on theater, that’s the beauty of it
Ofc theater can and should be improved, but for now, I’m fine with my free easy primos every month
Also, enkanomiya OST goes hard, never would’ve thought I’d see someone remembers enkanomiya let alone using its OST
I miss enka OST so much. I wish I could change other regions OST to that one lol
I am one of those "meta" players, I mean I am more focused in having 5 star characters that I like and their early constellations than building 30 c0 5 star characters and not liking half of them.
The only thing that would make me have more 5 star characters and more leveled 4 star characters would be some content to actually use them and this theatre thing is just not it. I am just not going to level bunch of characters I'll never play in general just to use them for 10 min once a month in theater. I'll rather just have 200 primos less that month which is nothing. That's how it is now for me. I am ar60, 100% map, multiple character in top 0.1% but I can't enter the last stage because most of my 5 stars are like c1 or c2 and I'm missing 3 character to enter the last stage but honestly that's fine because like I said 200 primos is nothing compared to the rest of primos we get from each patch. It's whatever to me.
Neither is theatre content interesting enough, neither are rewards significant enough for me to level other character just to have 18 characters of particular elements in order to enter the last stage. I would need an endgame mode that makes me use those character for longer periods of time to actually invest in those other characters but I know that's not gonna happen because the whole point is to spend as little time possible in the game because of the laws in that part of Asia. So we will probably never have some actual longer endgame content. And I mean, maybe some people play theater for hours just for fun with tons of different combinations. I am just not and I bet most of the people are not. Once I beat it that month I am done with it and moving onto other games and other stuff I do in life.
At this point I'm playing the game just to wait for the new regions and the continuation of the story, otherwise I would quit because it's just boring, especially if you are 100% endgame player.
literally nobody is building characters for 600 primos LOL whos gunna waste WEEKS of resin on characters to use once, for 3 pulls? nah. skip
also chasm ost > enka ost every day all day
the only thing I want from this mode is to be more fun, eg enemies have more hp but we get more impactful buffs you can do crazy stuff with, more like in sim uni in hsr. Right now the buffs are irrelevant and everyone just chooses to have more characters avaiable to make sensible teams
Me, who has the premium Ayaka team benched for over a year now: "YES MY TIME HAS COME!" 😂
“We only used four star weapons”
Ganyu: 🤫
good catch lmao
Yeah I was trying to figure out what weapon it was because it looked like great magic to me lmao 🤣🤣🤣
"It too easy" me having only Diana, Charlotte, qiqi as my builded cryo characters
Me having none of those chars built:
It probably does not matter . Last IT was doable with just trial + 2 anemo groupers.
The "difficulty" with the theatre is not the content itself. It's the fact that a large portion of the playerbase just don't have enough characters to do hard mode. Just think of how long it would take a very casual player to build and level all these characters of the right element.
I would wager the perspective of the "average" Genshin player is not that of a 4 year veteran putting hours into the game every single day.
Naive to assume that 4yr veterans have enough content to log in daily (coming from a 4 year veteran player) 😂
As a 4 year veteran lol 😂 I log in everyday but barely do resin etc and building horizontally is also luck based lol. Building everyone is a lot of resources. And I need to build more weapons tbh to test things out but don’t have the crystals (weapon exp to go crazy).
You technically only need to level them to 70 which isn’t too much investments. Now if you want to give them decent talent levels and a decent artifact set. Different story.
My tip is not be afraid to use Neuvillette on non-boss round that you have trouble DPSing. The bosses are single target. Neuvillette is good for multi target that are weak to Hydro. For single target, you can use Xingqiu/Yelan combo.
F2ps might struggle due to the scarcity of 4 star hydros and lack of f2p friendly cryo appliers. Even anemo is tough from an f2p perspective since only sucrose is 4 star and easy to build.
MC is free and can cover hydro or anemo. Kaeya is free. Barb is free, but a rental this time. Unless you've never lost a 50/50 and also had terrible luck with the standard banner, you should have some filler 5 stars as well. If you're not new (why would a newer player be worried about endgame content?), you shouldn't have much trouble slapping some units together unless you've had some truly amazing/terrible luck with pulls.
9:29 I ended up using Nilou bloom with Nahida as a Special Guest, but had Furina as my healer because I used up Barbara. It felt so wrong, but I guess that is what this game mode is for.
went from "why are they giving you a trial barbara, she's free" to "yeah, I'm using the trial barbara"
just like me fr fr
lol yeah I simply could not be bothered to swap equipment around. it's unreal that hoyo refuses to implement loadouts especially with this mode being introduced hahaha
Y’all not building Bennys Gf? The disrespect! 😂 you gotta build bennys gf man. Don’t sleep on dps Barbara lol or do a cheap clams Barbara lol just for some hydro application / heals. I haven’t used a single trial character once as I do have everyone built. Have everyone at minimum lv 70/80 with most talents at 666 with viable builds that don’t need to be swapped around for the abyss.
@@Chris-gz1bx I've already built Fischl though /hj
I just never understood who this gameplay is geared towards, as a veteran player I can use a dps Xingqiu to clear it. While new players can’t even try it due to the 18 characters requirements
For the people who did modest~heavy horizontal investment instead of hyperfocusing on getting top 0.5% Abyss teams and can enjoy slapping together random teams and watching stuff explode? It's definitely not intended for new players, the AR and character level requirements alone rule that out.
It's a playground for endgame players to toy around with a lot of their characters at once
@@N1GHTM4R3W0LF I’m not sure, the enemies are way to easy to beat, so testing a team comb or your dps would be useless since they die in seconds. Additionally the way this is set up it doesn’t allow you to actually build viable teams. For example: Running Wrio and Ayaka on the same team with sucrose and Cadance, that only works if the enemies have really low hp. As an endgame character that builds a lot of characters with their own unique sets, I prefer trying them out in the abyss still
@@Lexi_1013-alf You're supposed to be able to play with a lot of your characters, that you barely use - not make viable team comps. In fact, the entire purpose, is that you can't just rush through the entire mode with one team. Why is that so hard to understand? It's clearly intentional with the vigor system and other limitations. You're not supposed to test the damage ceiling of your OP teams, you're supposed to have a place for your badly invested characters to have some playtime as well.
As a veteran day 1 player with every character in the game built. Unless you fully refreshed everyday you probably don’t have every character anywhere near min maxed and even for us who horizontally invested in our characters will not be using our best teams to get through challenges because of the vigor system. For example I used rizzly xq yelan and faruzan to clear the crab boss. I proceeded to use only yelan or only xq as my hydro applicator on the following two rounds and saved vigor on day neuvi / furina for the final round to easily clear it.
Most people do not supports who can brute force the full stars. They may lack the necessary resources like building viable ER stats for good rotations. Lackluster crit/crit dmg ratios. Or a whole sleuth of other issues - especially for those who did vertically invest in their account to min max the Abyss.
In my opinion this mode required a lot more time in the oven. It feels like there's absolutely no cross communicating between teams because while Divergent Universe was built to be a mode Firefly stomps in HSR, it is at least trivial to try different things or team comps because the game syncs characters up to a certain baseline if they're below it.
Like Divergent Universe it should have no requirements of leveling a character to 70, if a character is below a certain threshold it should raise those components to Trial character levels, and it should either have one more vigor per character or allow you to field a team with less than four characters if desired (something that's rarely ever relevant in Divergent Universe but it does allow you to).
Combat is made to be pretty trivial in this mode because if you're leaning on trial characters and/or supporting cast mostly they still want you to clear Act 8 with a bit of tactical play. The stars don't matter for rewards, but they're the only thing that really requires investing in characters. If the player was on average expected to be stronger, then combat could be harder. But they are aware that it takes probably too long (in terms of resin) to be able to get that many characters to that power level.
I hate that I'm forced into a 4 member team comp when previous similar event challenges allowed you to chose not to use 4 but 3 or 2 even 1 character if you wanted.
I thought that it was harder then the last. I also really like IT.
I hate it, it's a character check with no challenge
@@francescoettwedda-1875tha character check is the challenge. Abyss is a DPS check, IT is a character check.
@@laurenblankenship128not a good thing when you look at hydro.
@@laurenblankenship128 So just a wallet check?
@@Nephale Not even a wallet check since you'd have at least accumulated enough 4*s for free if you've been playing long enough.
As a former ayaka main im so happy to put out my ayska OUT of the bench
😂😂all his characters is built good. This is not for the normal people.
Hate this game mode, I'm never touching it again
Putting aeonblight at the end was a wrench for me. I had no bow users at that point. Luckily wrio charge attacks and furina was enough to kill it in time.
I saw a CC use Mika to snipe the Drake. You have to be far enough for lock-on to not work, since it’s a selector not a targeting reticle.
its really fun watching u playing this! seeing your choices and thought processes, i feel like im watchin u play a roguelite game 😊
i'm glad~
I quit it,there’s no way of convincing me to go back there.
Came here for jello. Stayed for the beautiful enkanomiya music.
Lovely video Jello.❤
Charlette is my only built cryo character. I don't even have many cryo due to not usually liking the element (kind of like geo to me). I demolished the first imaginarium theater, but this one was impossible for me. I just don't have the elements for this one. I have way too many hydro and not enough anemo or cryo. I managed to beat it on medium difficulty, so I'll likely just be happy with that and call it a day.
TLDR: I love imaginarium, because i invested horizontally AND vertically because of charcater roles. Building units for imaginarium helps for abyss teams too, like double electro charged teams/one side aggravate because of broken niche 4 stars mixed in with good 5 star supports.
Everytime i pulled for characters or built them it was for 2 reasons. Balanced vertical and horizontal investment but on the basis of roles.
For example. When i pulled Wriothesley my appeal came from the fact i could use all the elements with him. (From burning to freeze to mono) especially with all the normal attacks.
I pulled for Kazuha even though i had Shenhe so that he would have a buffer if i used my kazuha somewhere else, and i just kept going like that. (I never wanted to pull him just because he was meta)
Even though i pull like that i am still like 3-5 characters short every imaginarium theater.
But this one was weird since i didn't have switch any artifacts around. For my 16. I guess im a freeze main and just waiting for Yelan and switching into Anemo Traveller to play hard mode.
I'm just glad i never built an account on 8 characters only. And because of imaginarium, I'm building some 4 stars that improve this flexibility vertically, like finally building my beidou for more electro sub dps, rosaria for more cryo sub dps, etc. I ignored these units but they will come in handy for imaginarium now.
And it is hard to suffer if there are 3 elements, there is at least one or two that will carry you, and you have a whole month to make up for it.
I built 5 lvl 70 characters, with lvl 20 weapons, and bare minimum artifacts from my mains and played 3 man teams last imaginarium. I didn't get all stars and barely made it, but still did and i think those 180 primos are worth it. Because after they are built, you might not struggle for units again for the abyss as well.
Now i can do like a kaeya rosaria reverse melt one side, and Wriothesley freeze the other if the abyss asked for it. Same with one side beidou electro chargerld and another lisa aggravate, etc, etc...
I hope this changes some minds on genshin in general
I love this because my artifacts are terrible so i can just barely slide through with a few redos
The Seahorse... "really easy"... well, I don't have Shenhe or Ganyu... I do have a L83 Ayaka with L90 Mistsplitter, a L90 Kazuka, a L81 Diona, and a L84 Charlotte... and a L85 Xiangling... and I couldn't beat it in the time allowed, multiple different teams and multiple attempts.
I tried the L80 Xiao provided (don't have him either), with my L85 C6 Faruzan and couldn't do that either - I was hitting for about half what you were.
In the end, the only way I could get through it in the time was to use my L90 Neuvillette/Furina/Kazuha team, which I really wanted to save for the last fight.
I think, to have anything close to the experience that most "normal" players have with this feature, you should use all the provided characters, not your own.
i'll go play this with 4* only right now
idk man I did it in just 53 seconds with the trial ayaka, fav lance rosaria, kazuha, and charlotte. perhaps a build issue or just need to play around the boss mechanics better. feel free to join our discord hopefully someone can point you in the right direction :)
@@JelloImpact Thanks for the reply... Yes, I do imagine it's build issues, but they're "resource restricted", like most players?
Every week, it's a choice between levelling a talent to 9 or 10, or raising a couple of artifacts to L16, or ascending a character... the game simply doesn't provide enough Mora to do everything. My guess is that I can get about a million per week, and just ONE crowned talent costs 700,000!
I've been playing every day for over 2 years, I just hit AR60, and even though I have quite a few L90 characters and weapons, I have zero complete L20 artifact sets - half the characters I'm taking into this event have L7 talents, L70 weapons and L12 artifacts.
I guess Genshin is like real life... for it to be easier, we just need more money! 🤣
@@JelloImpact I tried again... Kazuha seems to be the key - I crushed it with 2 different teams in 40-50 seconds... but I wanted to save Kazuha for the grouping levels - I'm not sure the one where you have to beat 45 enemies is possible without him!
Hardest part for me was needing to level 2 characters to 70 because I don't really build Cryo units. The monolith defense level can also be annoying if you don't have good AOE characters lined up
Thxfully this was usefull to tell that we dont need Theatre tierlists, and analyze characters for theatre is actually disingenuous, they work exactly as they would on abyss, because the nature of the challenges is the same but on lower difficulty, because the "difficulty" spike is have more characters invested, not even have "the best" characters invested, just characters invested, theatre is a pulls + resin check, while abyss is an optimization check, but guess what, if you build for optimization, your characters are inmediatly competent for theatre, whoever they are.
Theatre tierlisting is disingenuous and even missleading both for monetary investment and resin investment, just keep tierlist based on optimization for abyss, that would work for theatre too, if people is getting bad results on theatre, is not to sound mean or rude, but it just means the game wants you to optimize better your characters and that hoyo want you to pull more, so you have to farm artifacts, lvl up your weapons, lvl up your talents for a point where you just dont struggle anymore, theatre is a bigger time-check than abyss, you can beat abyss in like weeks if you work for it, theatre you just cannot get and build that many characters that fast.
Genshin's idea of easy/hard just comes down to adjusting enemies and the pressure they put on you.
I'm 3 months playing this game.. I cleared 1 stage with furina, 2 stages with Ayaka, 3 stages with xiao, 1 stage with neuvi, final stage with neuvi, furina.. Got lucky on mystery cache and got xiao once more to play
Tip: use Ayaka and one hydro(xingqui or barbara to freeze) on defense stage, select ruin guards.. Very Easy
i was so excited when i saw that freeze was meta again but wasnt even able to complete in hard mode because i had only 16 leveled characters in the required elements, hopefully i can build them up before the season ends
There are 6 rentals and 1 friend unit. You only need to borrow two characters between them to have enough to participate - did you just have freakish luck and have all of your 16 overlap with the rental/friend units, or lump the rentals in with your 16?
@@Savashri that is exactly what happened, i don't add many people so i could only borrow a kokomi from someone which made the total 16, everything else overlapped
@@Savashri 1 friend unit does NOT count towards reaching the requirement
It really does feel more like a "do you have enough characters" check more than anything. I don't have enough for hardmode (something that won't resolve itself soon given all my resources are spoken for for the foreseeable future) but normal is so easy it isn't even interesting (I may decide to replay it to get character voicelines, but not for the mode itself).
Impossible if you're trying to get stars, a joke if you're just trying to clear for primos.
what lmfao
i got full stars easy tho
@@JelloImpact "Welcome to Jello Impact where we build and test EVERY CHARACTER..."
That might be the reason why it was easy for you, not all of us are swimming in money
@@Kyosukedono ok maybe i'll make a video clearing it with only the worst characters of the allowed types
@@Kyosukedono You don't need every character built though. Assuming no overlap with rentals and having a friend unit to borrow, you only need to contribute 11 characters from a blend of 3 elements. If you've been playing long enough to be worried about endgame, you should have enough to cover that, even if it's janky teams with suboptimal units. It doesn't take a whole lot of work to get them ready for IT either, so this seems like an overblown problem unless you've just been saving and dumping everything into trying to C6R5 a couple of teams for Abyss as a F2P or something.
I don't have the characters built for this but I liked to see how you did this. I struggled with it, but I'll try again after watching this
This was actually more difficult than the first iteration.
Spiral abyss makes me bring the best teams I got that I’m familiar with playing. IT makes me bring individual characters for makeshift clunky feeling teams.
This mode really needs to amp up the dfficulty and make buffs actually matter. Currently it's literally just a character check. Heck, I even did a hard 8* run without artifacts and I'm sure there are people out there who had made even crazier stuff already
saw ur video earlier, nice one
Nah having the buffs be the sole reason you’re able to clear the content is the reason why all simulated universes are pure trash
Personally I like having to level up some new characters. Gives me stuff to do in the game on a daily basis rather than just dailies. I’m primarily a lore person and I only level up characters that I really want like the Knave, Chlorinde and others, so it gives me a chance to do more in the game and find characters that I enjoy using
I hate this gamemode. This time I can't even clear above easy mode because I don't have the characters. Amazing. Brilliant mode Genshin.
You have a month to slap together smth, and it's endgame, doesn't sound like you are an endgame player
If you cant clear easy , you are a problem , not just the mode .
I can't even enter the hard mode 🤣
same was short of one chara both seasons to unlock medium(?) mode 😅
For me, this IT is WAYYYY easier. I could finally breeze through these levels and left with flower clears. Last one was so hard for me, I couldn't even finish the hard type of it. So, depends on which characters you use! Good luck!!
The moment i saw IT featured random character selector i knew it would be an annoying and frustrating experience. Too easy to funnel in characters incompatible with no synergy.
so i have this issue where for some fricken reason i cant use my c5r4 top 7% Raiden shogun in the theater and she the only one i have that is hyper invested like that
💀💀💀💀💀💀
Rip 💀
For me it’s annoying because I can clear till floor 11 in spiral abyss but I can’t go above easy mode at all because I just don’t have enough characters, especially with the element restrictions
The thing with this game mode is that yes, in the first few months it is awful. People are scrambling to build characters they don't care about, use whatever artifacts and weapens available. Most dread the day we'll have to play geo.
But: imagine a few months later, after most people have already built enough characters of every type. It's going to be beyond easy. After the pressure of building unwanted characters has lifted, maybe we'll even enjoy making weird teams.
Played since 2.1 (with a couple hiatuses), 32 of my 61 characters built to lv 90 with varying degrees of skill/artifact investment, this shit was made for me, lol.
You can enjoy making weird teams already, without hard restrictions
For me, the difficulty is just fine.
I am glad to be able to use many characters without needing vertical investment for them to success.
It is just not possible for me to invest in enough characters for this mode if they have to be cracks.
The first boss was the only one I couldn't get my stars. I used Ayaka (my build version), Venti, Charlotte and Mona because that's what I got.
It was a little bit annoying to play this team against this boss because not enough cryo to destroy fast his shield with 2 cryo.
I love how this game mode is LITERALLY unplayable for some
As someone who prefers spreading my resaources rather thinly and building many characters i like, putting meta aside, IT has been great for me, definitely enjoy it more than the spiral abyss.
I'm happy because these elements have my most invested units in the game. made it easier for me to clear it until act 8.
It literally isn't. I barely cleared on my friends account that had just enough investment and my borrowed Nuevillette. If you think that it's easy on your fully invested account then good for you. But for other players it can be harder than you think. They were lucky that trial DPS characters were the ones they didn't have and that Xiangling and Nahida were special invite characters.
yeah. honestly as a newer player that just started in april, i'm starting to get really turned off by whale content creators that trivialize everything in the game. their subscribers just parrot and whine the same things they do. there aren't really any good places for newer players to enjoy content without having to deal with 1.0 community mentality
Whose your friend 🤔?
@@lorraineviruet8973 Me.
@@Vickiraytive I mean there are easy and normal modes for a reason. If it was designed in a way that newer players could easy clear hard mode, it wouldnt be an end game mode.
@lordfifth4520 I have no qualms with the game mode. I finished normal mode last month and have finished easy this go so far. I'm pretty happy with my progress. I have qualms with the community for being so 1.0 minded as a whole and not leaving space for newer players to enjoy the game. It's not great being new at a game and discovering that most of the community actively hates the game while continuing to play it. They are demanding and entitled and since they are the loudest in the community, they are a pretty huge turn off overall.
For a game that is meant to be co op, it isn't a very welcoming place to find people to play with. If you struggle with something, it's only a matter of time before all the "skill issue" comments pop up. If you play characters that aren't meta, people will tell you that's why you're trash, and really the only way to enjoy Genshin is to not participate with any of the community.
Venti was the most useful this season. He had the most kills since enemies are more prone to sucking and had little HP
I think this mode is in the sweetspot for my account. I had the exact number of character needed to do it but like 60% of them where level 70, no talents and crappy lvl 10-12 artifacts.
So lets say I had some struggles, but in the end the trial characters and my well built characters managed to drag the rest of the gang throuh all of it.
So I didnt felt frustrated, but it was hard enough for me to feel that it was a personal accomplishment.
the first time this game mode first came out, I beat it on my FIRST TRY without going back a level on hard mode, now this time I had to do a full reset 4 times because I didn't know how to beat the enemies time after time. I was finally able to beat it ON the last second when 0:00 was shown and i legit felt like crying
The last imaginarium made me completely broke. Now I don't have the resources to level up Rosaria, Diona or Yelan if I happen get her.
If this their tatics to make us buy Battle Pass, some manipulative evil genius right there.
"Barbara trial is such a waste of a slot"
*Picks trial Barbara*
Funny enough, the biggest thing stopping me from building enough characters to finish this mode is actually all the local specialties I need to gather (almost 1 year old account but I don't usually play more than an hour per day). Talent and weapon books only being available on certain days doesn't help either.
Breezed through this IT with trial Xiao, Wanderer, Ayaka, Ayato and a little bit of Neuvilette.
Man, I don't even pay attention to the content anymore. Enkanomiya ost's enough to keep me entertained LMAO
I personally feel like this game mode is much easier than the abyss, if you're only going for the primos. The abyss punishes you much harder for not having "correct" builds, while the theatre is much more forgiving and lets you get away with some improvised jank teams (still assuming you have enough units to play, especially a few who can carry a whole challenge). That being said though, theatre is significantly less fun to play through imo, simply because it's not fun to play with weird, unoptimized teams. It lacks the satisfaction you get from performing your studied rotations and see your teams unleash their full potential, which is why you're grinding and building all these units to begin with, and although the bonus challenges literally don't matter, it still feels very discouraging to fail them, which makes for an overall frustrating experience (even when you're winning).
I don’t have any complaints about this gamemode lmao. my account started since 4.0
I don’t pull for neuvilette because he reran with kazuha at that time.
My initial characters that were built is furina, xingqiu, kazuha, venti, jean, nahida, xiangling, traveler.
They release the elements that were gonna be in the next theater beforehand, plenty time that i could build mona, charlotte, layla, rosaria, nilou in time.
I even built tignhari, navia in the midst of all that as well, and their important talents.
No excuse that you can’t build characters in time. Lvl 70 is all you need after all.
Side note: Venti in this mode is crazyy, especially when you get a revive card for him. He just carries everything.
i didn't manage to clear hard mode on last IT, but i managed on this one... with exactly one second left on the clock at the last stage lmao. my builds aren't the best but i manage. it ends up striking the perfect balance of challenging and enjoyable. IT definitely gives me a reason to build more and better though.
This imaginarium scammed me so hard. 5 of the 6 trial characters were characters I already had built, resulting in me literally not having enough characters built for the theater. I had to run around collecting chests to get filler characters up to level 70 just so I could chuck them in teams doing nothing so my actually built carries could clear the content work
I think full stars in this cycle is harder, but the boss chambers are way easier due to none of them posing any damage threat (unlike Coppelius for example).
For the mob chambers, there are a lot of annoying enemy sets that only want one specific element (hydro zoo = cryo, pyro lector = hydro, etc.), which can randomly tank your run's stars if you happen to be in the wrong configuration, e.g. you were trying to balance your elements like normal and got caught unable to suddenly funnel 4 cryos into a single mob chamber.
"Melt" Ganyu... In a full hydro aura chamber where nothing burns... What could go wrong?
I'm glad i didn't have to build extra characters for this one due to being a hydro main and a former Ganyu enjoyer. Still spent about an hour in this IT because i feel compelled to use trash teams and retry stages early on just to unleash my best team on act 8 and smoke it in 30 seconds.
I don't have enough build cryo characters, I've got 3 stars after my fourth try
it's too easy for people who build every character they have
You don't need to build every character you have. Factoring in rental characters and a friend unit leaves you with 11 slots to fill on your own from a blend of 3 elements - we've had a free character for just about every element, and MC can fill anything but pyro or cryo at present. You don't need to invest heavily in these characters to succeed in IT either, so unless you're super new (at which point, why are you worrying about "endgame" content?) or just almost never pull, you shouldn't really have much trouble.
I think you have a bias since you have all the characters, for me with a limited roster compared to my pyro and electro roster, it was a bit more engaging due to my limited options, I don’t have neuvillette or any limited 5* cryo dps so my damage options were pretty limited. For people that want a tip, kayea is a good cryo applicator, just getting him to 70 and slap 200-300% ER and he’ll do fine if you use xingqui , yelan, or furina w/ kazuha. I also like Lynette on the monolith challenges because her cat in the box ult attracts mobs and eats some damage that would go to monolith. If you’re using all trial characters, use xiao for first 2, then use ayaka for 3 and 6. Lastly try to save furina for 8.
What’s really impossible is diluc’s challenge… as someone who only leveled him for that challenge specifically…
now I'm glad I decided to level up to 90 over 50 of my characters
The normal mode was easy af, but I couldn’t even beat the first part of the hard mode where all the archers are spread out around the circle. It reminds me of the old abysses
Just to add a perspective here - I can't clear Abyss Floor 12. No archons, no neuvi, invested in some non-meta units and am fine with missing out on the last few primos.
I can clear Theatre-Hard, though I struggled with a couple chambers and I'm definitely not getting all those flowers. It may feel like it's "if you have the charas you insta-clear" - but it's actually, "if you have enough meta units built to clear abyss you insta-clear." If you have enough units but they're not min-maxed, IT is still a nice challenge comparable to Floor 11 and feels like it is rewarding me for experimenting with different teams.
Imaginarium Theatre can be easy or tough, depending on what you are going after.
If you are going for just the primogems, it is very easy. Just need to complete every stage.4-Star characters can probably do the job.
If you are going for 8 stars, some skills may be need to meet the stated requirements. It can become tough or time-consuming.
Anyway, good luck to the challengers!
The hardest part of this game mode is gearing all my characters because I forget how braindead easy it is
Also re-gearing characters so you don't have an em build in team where em is useless or vice-versa.
The comments basically proves the title of this video😂 either you like it or hate it
Yeah its easy, however speaking as player that started mid april of this year, and managed 33 star the abyss in this season, i just dint have enough cryo and hydro pulls till now, cant even do medium challenge 11/12 chars. Plus giving barbara as trial is fkin dirty.
I'm in the same boat. I specifically vertically invested because I think this game makes farming for new Characters to annoying and now this mode punishes that for almost no upside
@@scoons123 new player+ vertically = skill issue
@@dawensci7134 What else do you want newer players to do? Just level every Character they get? You don't have the resources for that. And how does that equal more skill? I did not imply vertical investment as in pulling for cons or 5* weapons.
I enjoy watching your facial hair grow back 😂❤
i also love watching my balls hair grow
@@bukopandan1557 ...FACIAL HAIR
Im so glad I collect every anemo character as a f2p
I cheesed the final boss with Furina, Yelan, Kokomi and Kazuha, Kokomi can hit things in the air which also lets Yelan's burst hit aswell.
LUL thx for the Video. I have never seen the one were u get a companion, I was allways stuck on 4 or 5. thx again.
Imagine next season with dendro, geo and anemo 😂
Yeah, it is easy if you have the right characters obtained and built. Hard if you don't. Such is the problem with the theater. Still, it is more fun than sweating on floor 12 of the abyss lol
I thought this mode was going to be much more replayable and boons based. Like in rogue-likes, where you want to get specific combos of boons to make you go crazy, This version of Imaginarium Theatre seems like Abyss 2.0 which requires more built chars but less individual power. What I do like about it tho is the environment and the different cosmetics you can get. Abyss location just feels lame after you discover it for the first time and get the waypoint - 0 atmosphere...
This cycle of IT made me realize I only have 2 Cryo DPS and then Xianyun. Good thing im pulling for Yelan. 😅
I ran out of DPS units on act 6 lol
Compared to the previous run that needed pyro characters that I seriously lack, this one seems like a breeze. I have proper units to use this time around. My Ganyu hits like a truck, especially with Melts, and Xiangling is here. My Neuvillette solos whatever I throw him at. Yelan/Xingqiu/Furina can kill stuff without evenbeing on the field with their coordinated attacks/Furina skill. Giving me access to both Cryo and Hydro at ones makes me scared what they're gonna do next, as these are my 2 strongest elements by far. Also having some bonus anemo for CC, like Venti/Kazuha/Sucrose, or for healing like Xianyun is really nice too. Alternatively, Wanderer/Trial Xiao + Faruzan is still an option.
Edit: Also, why would you need a healer for Melt Ganyu? It's a shielder you want. Diona for example. Or Layla. Also, playing on controller won't help with this. Ganyu is leagues above what she could ever perform using controllers, if you use a proper mouse to aim. Seeing her being used as an off-field unit physically hurts, considering what an awesome carry she is.
Yeah, this mode is quite cynical, it's basically the gacha mode, all it takes is having enough characters half-decently raised.
Wish they made a mode where player ability and planning mattered.
even mihoyo considers xiangling a 5*
Personally enjoy the IT. Really enjoy having to play with a random team insted of abyss optimised teams