Legion would even be proud of Shepard for taking the destroy option... It means not taking the old machine's offer of a prebuilt and forced future. Synthesis is forced on the galaxy, it's not offered as a choice to everyone else. Control is also against Legion's ethics. Rejection would arguably also be approved of by Legion. Of course, you could argue Legion would change his opinion on Synthesis, given he'd have "more data" for concensus.
@@GrasshopperKelly I think this is a greatly subjective opinion. On the other side, if u pick Destroy, you commit genocide not only on the whole Geth race and EDI but also billion years of evolution and knowledge that Reapers harvested till that point up and including Prothean. Simply put, you wipe the slate totally clean... With 2 exceptions being the last Prothean and some Leviathans, all other space-faring races that EVER existed will be forgotten. Not to mention Leviathan, even if just a few members of their species survived, can wrought unspeakable havoc. They told you flatly that they will fight Reapers for THEIRS future not for any other race. And we saw that their "forefathers" were enthraling and taking over any species they wanted so that they would have tributes from them. Long story short, i don't think that there is a good ending per say, no matter what you do. Many pick "Perfect Destroy" just so that Shep could, possibly, survive, though how exactly Shep. survived his wounds, explosion of the Citadel(or at the very least overload needed to trigger it) and then fall through atmosphere is simply beyond me. There should be nothing left of Shep no matter ending.
@@HanithSVK I wasn’t saying there was a good ending. I was stating a not highly subjective fact… Legion simply wouldn’t have approved of control. May have approved of synthesis, but would have approved of destroy over control.
Shepard: by the way, is there a name you would like to be called. Geth prime: before our journey to earth, I have researched the planet and your species’ history by watching various entertainment from the earth’s old days. Shepard: and? Geth prime: I have grown fond of the name, Optimus…..
Aaaand now I've got the mental image of Geth Prime shoulder checking reapers as Stan Bush's The Touch Blares from it's vocal box... **Why have you not got more likes for this. Unacceptable, Have mine.**
They were meant to house as many programs as Legion's body, plus facilitate the hardware for longer range networking of a local group. In a much more mobile platform than a hub. With the addition of their capacity for weapons and/or other heavy dury labour requirements. While destroyers are just meant to be heavier platforms with capacity for stronger infantry weaponry.
God, I keep forgetting how fucking massive Geth Primes are... Seeing Shepard stand so close to one reminds me of the shot in DBZ where Gohan is squaring up with Super Buu.
@@Talmiior I don’t even know why they would do that…but it didn’t make sense since this is literally something we should have seen in the main game since we’ve made peace with the quarians and the geth so we should at least seen them both there.
its obvious that the geth will be in mass effect FIVE!!! so im looking forward to seeing what them as sentient beings will do now that they will be classed as alive P.S fingers crossed for another geth squadmate
Sadly that's most likely not happening. After the flop of andromeda I'm expecting them to rush back to shepard, which means red ending which means no geth. Oh also shepard was teased when they released trailers for ME4
@@danieldancza6171 on top of that for the shop that had a poster that said shepard and friends they said it was a mistake i think they done with shepard
I never understood why the geth didn’t just print primes and hunters instead of mostly rocket troopers and footmen. Imagine trying to hold back and army walking tanks when all of the sudden an invisible shotgun blows your head off
Ignoring game balance. On a lore and practical level. Primes are mobile networking hubs. That's their primary purpose. They're not even intended as assault troops. But their design and purpose, meaning they're built to protect their purpose; meandered *can* survive frontline service. Geth also cannot print programs, even when they were under reaper control. Those take a little time to create. They always changed some lines of code, even if they were copying and pasting a combat program. It's just not efficient. The galaxy saw them as the most capable infantry and marine force in the galaxy, outside of biotics. Due to their nature, primes dramatically improve the combat efficiency of other geth platforms around them. Hundreds of Primes, or fitting every platform with space for so many programs, plus protection for all the internal equipment still leaves you with a near 3m tall monster. Why not spread those hundreds of programs across hundreds of platforms. It's not even a case of quantity will be better, the quality will still be similar. Giving everything a heavy missile weapon also isn't smart for a ship dwelling marine force... Rifles are cheap and kill just fine, they can be supplied easily. Otherwise the USArmy would be handing every infantryman a LAW. Why don't people buy 200 horse power 5 door saloons and estates? Not everyone needs one... An additional reason for the geth. They already had tends of thousands of platforms, originally made by the creators why tear those down when they Park perfectly fine and serve their usage as is? On a game balance perspective, yes. It would make the game dramatically more difficult if you faced more primes with destroyers and rocket troopers, even at the cost of halving the number we saw or even less. But it would be far more bland and get old and/or boring.
There's also the fact that larger platforms require more Geth Programs to run. The larger and more complex the platform, the more Geth there are running the thing.
I got my hopes up for like half a second “wait did I miss something” then I reread the titled and realized it’s probably a mod, if I check the description it’ll probably confirm as such, I still greatly prefer some of the modded endings to the cannon one
From what I've heard, the "Take Earth Back" mod doesn't really alter the gameplay of Priority: Earth, but it adds a lot more ambience, flavor, and dialogue to reflect more of your choices and the various forces assembled for the war.
I feel like this line was recorded before the Rannoch story-line was finished, it's always been weird to me how even though most Geth platforms stop referring to themselves as "we" as soon as Legion uploads himself, this one doesn't
@@FlashBranson27 The dialogue is in the vanilla game as an ambient interaction, and the geth doesn't show up if you have peace. Exkywor on our team turned the interaction entirely cinematic as seen above as part of the Take Earth Back mod, and made it so both the geth and quarians are visible if peace is achieved.
Seeing the Geth getting back on their feet makes me loathe Han'Gerrel even more. That "superstructure" Legion described? The one that would "house all Geth"? That had to have been a Dyson Sphere. With Geth working on the Crucible, they'd have known how to shield that structure against its effects, use it as a sort of ark to survive the Crucible. Instead, Gerrel blew it to shit.
didnt even knew there was a "both" option.... that crazy quarian chick suicided, when i went with letting the geth live!....soooo i dont care about these wannabe slave masters & always let the quarians die off!
This is from the "Take Earth Back" mod, which adds extra scenes and conversations and ambience to Priority: Earth, though it doesn't meaningfully change the actual gameplay.
I'm happy to accept their help as I choose the red ending because the Indoctrination Theory is 100% canon and no dev interview will convince me otherwise
I mean... once you stop taking the devs' word as law, you're really just playing your *own* story and borrowing their world as the backdrop, so... you do you, I guess. I was never fond of it, for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is... if the entire ending is a dream, and Shepard is actually lying there on the ground and never made it to the beam... I guess Team Milky Way loses the war and the Reapers win anyway even with the Red Ending, because *no one made it to the Citadel to activate the Crucible.* Shepard fighting off Indoctrination successfully doesn't win the war. Unless your idea is that Shepard then gets up, and goes to the Beam... at which point... what, the exact same thing plays out, just without Anderson/TIM/Starchild? I don't buy it, and I never have. As far as I can see, Indoctrination Theory is a lose/lose scenario for the Galaxy.
I never understood the people that believe in the indoctrination theory. Even if you ignore the fact that that the prothean vi can detect indoctrination and never does with shepard, or the fact that the devs straight up said it isn't true.... the real issue is that the IT is not a real ending. Let's assume it's true and shepard really was indoctrinated.... ok, now what? That doesn't resolve the conflict now does it? The plot is still ongoing and shepard is still fighting the reapers in the end, right? That's somehow even worse than the horrible ending we got, because there would be NO resolution to the plot lol.
@@Blazieth I see it differently I don't see the ending phase as thing that's happening in Shepard's head. For me it's like a daydream. Reapers are trying to get Shepard in real time as you go there into the beam trying to activate the weapon (red ending) in reality nothings there since only shepard got into the beam. All the characters are just illusions created by Shepard as a mean to resist the indoctrination. At the final end reapers try to convince you that other options are better than destruction (just like they did with TIM and Saren). To resist and destroy them you have to pick the red one. I think that makes much more sense than a complete dream theory for the reasons that you stated before. At the end of the day nothings canon since the edning is so shit so I choose fan made endings that make the most sense.
Sometimes to destroy the reapers a hefty price must be paid. Sometimes as a leader all you have are bad options, and the reapers try to take advantage of this. Which is why I will always chose the destroy ending. Yes it's genocide and the citadel and the relays will be severely damaged and may take a century to rebuild and repair, but out of all the species, AI can be rebuilt, organics cannot. It's a price worth paying. I think even if EDI and the Geth were right there with commander shepard, they would chose the destroy option. They decided they would rather die than compromise with the reapers again.
You need to download Take Earth Back for your pc version of the game and install it with ME3Tweaks mod manager. You also need the geth and quarians to be at peace
I'm giving the Happy Ending mod a try for my current run. I'm only in ME2 at the moment, but... hey! We'll see how it goes. Ideally, I'd love a Refusal ending where it's possible to win the straight up fight, but I get that that's just not possible from an in-universe perspective. It took all of Earth's fleets *combined* to take out Sovereign, and the entire Quarian Flotilla, with a man-on-the-ground coordinating to take out a single Reaper Destroyer (aka one of the SMALL ones). There are *thousands* of Sovereign-class Reapers.
@Tydeous oh ok and can it be possible to copy of all the mods in a created folder and put it on sd and plug it into the ps5 or steam deck or do I need to use the pc to copy all the mods in a created folder first and how I play the game by using the steam without a disk inside how do I install the game and game launcher is it easy to put mods and I hope the nexus mods don’t have any virus or anything bad when downloading em or bugs or glitches or get frozen or stuck or something
If you have this mod installed, then all you need is for the Quarians to survive Priority: Rannoch. If you make peace you will get both Raan and the Geth Prime
@@xindof7523 I'm afraid that's because you're playing on console. This video is of a mod for the PC version of the game, which edits the ambient dialogue into full cutscenes
"Today, the geth fight to secure our future." Shepard choosing the Destroy ending: "Yeah, about that..." (another reason why the default Destroy ending is dumb beyond comprehension)
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Legion would be proud.
We are legion
Legion would even be proud of Shepard for taking the destroy option... It means not taking the old machine's offer of a prebuilt and forced future. Synthesis is forced on the galaxy, it's not offered as a choice to everyone else. Control is also against Legion's ethics. Rejection would arguably also be approved of by Legion.
Of course, you could argue Legion would change his opinion on Synthesis, given he'd have "more data" for concensus.
For we are many @@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536
@@GrasshopperKelly I think this is a greatly subjective opinion. On the other side, if u pick Destroy, you commit genocide not only on the whole Geth race and EDI but also billion years of evolution and knowledge that Reapers harvested till that point up and including Prothean. Simply put, you wipe the slate totally clean... With 2 exceptions being the last Prothean and some Leviathans, all other space-faring races that EVER existed will be forgotten.
Not to mention Leviathan, even if just a few members of their species survived, can wrought unspeakable havoc. They told you flatly that they will fight Reapers for THEIRS future not for any other race. And we saw that their "forefathers" were enthraling and taking over any species they wanted so that they would have tributes from them.
Long story short, i don't think that there is a good ending per say, no matter what you do. Many pick "Perfect Destroy" just so that Shep could, possibly, survive, though how exactly Shep. survived his wounds, explosion of the Citadel(or at the very least overload needed to trigger it) and then fall through atmosphere is simply beyond me. There should be nothing left of Shep no matter ending.
@@HanithSVK I wasn’t saying there was a good ending. I was stating a not highly subjective fact… Legion simply wouldn’t have approved of control. May have approved of synthesis, but would have approved of destroy over control.
Shepard: by the way, is there a name you would like to be called.
Geth prime: before our journey to earth, I have researched the planet and your species’ history by watching various entertainment from the earth’s old days.
Shepard: and?
Geth prime: I have grown fond of the name, Optimus…..
Aaaand now I've got the mental image of Geth Prime shoulder checking reapers as Stan Bush's The Touch Blares from it's vocal box... **Why have you not got more likes for this. Unacceptable, Have mine.**
Reaper : Join us.
Geth : We're finally at peace our parents. Go to hell.
Geth Primes are fuckin massive.
Yep, they are badasses too
They were meant to house as many programs as Legion's body, plus facilitate the hardware for longer range networking of a local group. In a much more mobile platform than a hub. With the addition of their capacity for weapons and/or other heavy dury labour requirements. While destroyers are just meant to be heavier platforms with capacity for stronger infantry weaponry.
@@GrasshopperKelly ^ this guy knows
@@solitudeguard5688 "...knows too much."* at least for my own good :(
Would be nice if this stuff was useful for my exams x(
@@GrasshopperKelly I feel you there lol.
God, I keep forgetting how fucking massive Geth Primes are... Seeing Shepard stand so close to one reminds me of the shot in DBZ where Gohan is squaring up with Super Buu.
They are pretty huge, and it did cause some issues with choosing cameras as you don't often have such height differentials when editing cutscenes
If ME1 had graphic death cinematics (think tomb raider style), geth prime snapping sheppard in half with zero effort would be a regular thing.
Nice to see they added this scene.
This is a mod restoring this cut content
@@NormalCardBoardBoxes why would they cut this????
@@Talmiior I don’t even know why they would do that…but it didn’t make sense since this is literally something we should have seen in the main game since we’ve made peace with the quarians and the geth so we should at least seen them both there.
its obvious that the geth will be in mass effect FIVE!!! so im looking forward to seeing what them as sentient beings will do now that they will be classed as alive
P.S fingers crossed for another geth squadmate
Sadly that's most likely not happening. After the flop of andromeda I'm expecting them to rush back to shepard, which means red ending which means no geth.
Oh also shepard was teased when they released trailers for ME4
i mean prob not since the destroy ending
@@danieldancza6171 on top of that for the shop that had a poster that said shepard and friends they said it was a mistake i think they done with shepard
Destroy ending confirmed canon. No geth, unless they have been rebuilt. Remember, the destruction of synthetic life doesn't mean it cannot be rebuilt.
@@TyneGuitar nothing is confirmed bro
I never understood why the geth didn’t just print primes and hunters instead of mostly rocket troopers and footmen.
Imagine trying to hold back and army walking tanks when all of the sudden an invisible shotgun blows your head off
As powerful as Prime platforms are, the Geth still need smaller platforms to move around smaller spaces.
Dude yknow how massive primes and hunters are probably a lot to manufacture
And yknow a reaper could one shot all of them just as easily
Ignoring game balance. On a lore and practical level. Primes are mobile networking hubs. That's their primary purpose. They're not even intended as assault troops. But their design and purpose, meaning they're built to protect their purpose; meandered *can* survive frontline service.
Geth also cannot print programs, even when they were under reaper control. Those take a little time to create. They always changed some lines of code, even if they were copying and pasting a combat program.
It's just not efficient. The galaxy saw them as the most capable infantry and marine force in the galaxy, outside of biotics. Due to their nature, primes dramatically improve the combat efficiency of other geth platforms around them. Hundreds of Primes, or fitting every platform with space for so many programs, plus protection for all the internal equipment still leaves you with a near 3m tall monster. Why not spread those hundreds of programs across hundreds of platforms. It's not even a case of quantity will be better, the quality will still be similar. Giving everything a heavy missile weapon also isn't smart for a ship dwelling marine force... Rifles are cheap and kill just fine, they can be supplied easily. Otherwise the USArmy would be handing every infantryman a LAW.
Why don't people buy 200 horse power 5 door saloons and estates? Not everyone needs one... An additional reason for the geth. They already had tends of thousands of platforms, originally made by the creators why tear those down when they Park perfectly fine and serve their usage as is?
On a game balance perspective, yes. It would make the game dramatically more difficult if you faced more primes with destroyers and rocket troopers, even at the cost of halving the number we saw or even less. But it would be far more bland and get old and/or boring.
There's also the fact that larger platforms require more Geth Programs to run. The larger and more complex the platform, the more Geth there are running the thing.
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Why am I tearing up right now??
I got my hopes up for like half a second “wait did I miss something” then I reread the titled and realized it’s probably a mod, if I check the description it’ll probably confirm as such, I still greatly prefer some of the modded endings to the cannon one
I believe you can talk to the geth prime and Raan in the last mission if you lack krogan support and they take the place of wrex
From what I've heard, the "Take Earth Back" mod doesn't really alter the gameplay of Priority: Earth, but it adds a lot more ambience, flavor, and dialogue to reflect more of your choices and the various forces assembled for the war.
I feel like this line was recorded before the Rannoch story-line was finished, it's always been weird to me how even though most Geth platforms stop referring to themselves as "we" as soon as Legion uploads himself, this one doesn't
I think they say “we” they mean the Geth as a Whole or a few squads
I believe you're correct about it being a collective "we" for all the geth
The writers not only retconned the Geth, but they also did so inconsistently. What a headache AND a disappointment.
Amazing!!!
PLEEEEASE let this be the real thing
It's real, it's in the mod release :)
@@Tydeous wait, mod? It's not alrady part of the game?
@@FlashBranson27 The dialogue is in the vanilla game as an ambient interaction, and the geth doesn't show up if you have peace. Exkywor on our team turned the interaction entirely cinematic as seen above as part of the Take Earth Back mod, and made it so both the geth and quarians are visible if peace is achieved.
@@masseffectmods4599 NNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Seeing the Geth getting back on their feet makes me loathe Han'Gerrel even more.
That "superstructure" Legion described? The one that would "house all Geth"?
That had to have been a Dyson Sphere. With Geth working on the Crucible, they'd have known how to shield that structure against its effects, use it as a sort of ark to survive the Crucible.
Instead, Gerrel blew it to shit.
I’m so jealous you could get the good ending. My first play through I had to choose between the two races.
didnt even knew there was a "both" option.... that crazy quarian chick suicided, when i went with letting the geth live!....soooo i dont care about these wannabe slave masters & always let the quarians die off!
Fun fact, this completely undermines Hologram Kid's asinine argument.
Awww
He said synergy
Only missing to colossus and stalkers
The Geth prim sounds just like legion still wish legion could have survived and be in your squad in mass effect 3
Was one of the original goals,but they didn't know how to write him in after the arc
This is the reason synthesis is the best ending
Stupid "space magic"
Saren wanted synthesis.
Someone is indoctrinated
Synthesis is the worst ending, id rather take refusal
Ah yes, Admiral Avasarala.
Nice !!
How did you manage to get that dialogue out? What did you have to do?
I don't think I've ever seen this scene. And I saved both species.
This is from the "Take Earth Back" mod, which adds extra scenes and conversations and ambience to Priority: Earth, though it doesn't meaningfully change the actual gameplay.
I'm happy to accept their help as I choose the red ending because the Indoctrination Theory is 100% canon and no dev interview will convince me otherwise
You murderer 😤
I mean... once you stop taking the devs' word as law, you're really just playing your *own* story and borrowing their world as the backdrop, so... you do you, I guess. I was never fond of it, for a number of reasons.
Not the least of which is... if the entire ending is a dream, and Shepard is actually lying there on the ground and never made it to the beam... I guess Team Milky Way loses the war and the Reapers win anyway even with the Red Ending, because *no one made it to the Citadel to activate the Crucible.* Shepard fighting off Indoctrination successfully doesn't win the war.
Unless your idea is that Shepard then gets up, and goes to the Beam... at which point... what, the exact same thing plays out, just without Anderson/TIM/Starchild? I don't buy it, and I never have. As far as I can see, Indoctrination Theory is a lose/lose scenario for the Galaxy.
I never understood the people that believe in the indoctrination theory. Even if you ignore the fact that that the prothean vi can detect indoctrination and never does with shepard, or the fact that the devs straight up said it isn't true.... the real issue is that the IT is not a real ending. Let's assume it's true and shepard really was indoctrinated.... ok, now what? That doesn't resolve the conflict now does it? The plot is still ongoing and shepard is still fighting the reapers in the end, right? That's somehow even worse than the horrible ending we got, because there would be NO resolution to the plot lol.
@@Blazieth I see it differently
I don't see the ending phase as thing that's happening in Shepard's head. For me it's like a daydream. Reapers are trying to get Shepard in real time as you go there into the beam trying to activate the weapon (red ending) in reality nothings there since only shepard got into the beam. All the characters are just illusions created by Shepard as a mean to resist the indoctrination. At the final end reapers try to convince you that other options are better than destruction (just like they did with TIM and Saren). To resist and destroy them you have to pick the red one. I think that makes much more sense than a complete dream theory for the reasons that you stated before. At the end of the day nothings canon since the edning is so shit so I choose fan made endings that make the most sense.
and then you choose the destroy ending.
Or synthesis
Every ending was bad. Destroy was the least terrible and it had us commit genocide.
Bioware screwed up the ending. I still haven't forgiven that.
Sometimes to destroy the reapers a hefty price must be paid. Sometimes as a leader all you have are bad options, and the reapers try to take advantage of this. Which is why I will always chose the destroy ending. Yes it's genocide and the citadel and the relays will be severely damaged and may take a century to rebuild and repair, but out of all the species, AI can be rebuilt, organics cannot. It's a price worth paying. I think even if EDI and the Geth were right there with commander shepard, they would chose the destroy option. They decided they would rather die than compromise with the reapers again.
didnt spent 3 games to leave the job half finished.
@@takkarsasori8961 EA sure did
wait how do I get them? I only got Tali
You need to download Take Earth Back for your pc version of the game and install it with ME3Tweaks mod manager. You also need the geth and quarians to be at peace
Control is the only way I go. I'd like to think reaper-god Shep would allow the geth to keep their free will
I'm giving the Happy Ending mod a try for my current run. I'm only in ME2 at the moment, but... hey! We'll see how it goes.
Ideally, I'd love a Refusal ending where it's possible to win the straight up fight, but I get that that's just not possible from an in-universe perspective. It took all of Earth's fleets *combined* to take out Sovereign, and the entire Quarian Flotilla, with a man-on-the-ground coordinating to take out a single Reaper Destroyer (aka one of the SMALL ones). There are *thousands* of Sovereign-class Reapers.
I dint see raan or the prime in my playthrough even I did everything right
You need to download the Take Earth Back mod to see both :)
@Tydeous oh ok and can it be possible to copy of all the mods in a created folder and put it on sd and plug it into the ps5 or steam deck or do I need to use the pc to copy all the mods in a created folder first and how I play the game by using the steam without a disk inside how do I install the game and game launcher is it easy to put mods and I hope the nexus mods don’t have any virus or anything bad when downloading em or bugs or glitches or get frozen or stuck or something
How do you get admiral Raan to come to earth
If you have this mod installed, then all you need is for the Quarians to survive Priority: Rannoch. If you make peace you will get both Raan and the Geth Prime
Why are they missing on my game? I did everything right is it because i romanced Tali?
Do you have the mod?
@@Tydeous i play on PS4
and i think my save file is bugged the cut scene skips for some reason
@@xindof7523 I'm afraid that's because you're playing on console. This video is of a mod for the PC version of the game, which edits the ambient dialogue into full cutscenes
"Today, the geth fight to secure our future."
Shepard choosing the Destroy ending: "Yeah, about that..."
(another reason why the default Destroy ending is dumb beyond comprehension)