Simplify3D 4.0 - PVA Support Interface Layers / Optimize Your Soluble Supports
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2017
- Simplify3D includes the ability to choose the specific extruder for the support interface layer, or "dense supports". This means you can use PVA only for the dense layers between the support and the model - saving you the costly PVA. Cool!
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For those who want to know how to do this, follow these simple instructions.
Open your process in S3D, then go to the Supports Tab. In the 'Support Material Generation' section, select the same extruder as you have selected for the PLA / ABS, and below where it has a selection for 'Dense Support' use your PVA / HIPS extruder. In this latter section, I would use 100% infill, and at least 2 mm layers, I generally use 2.5 to 3 mm. So divide your mm height by layer height. If you want 3 mm separation and printing at 0.2 mm layer height, then select 15 layers. Now you are all done and will save a fortune on PVA :-)
Darnit Joel, you're killing me with that bag of M&M's that's been there for a while now. Your product placement is working, purchased a bag yesterday.
Plus much quicker print times as head switching is greatly reduced.
Oh that feature looks very promising. Thanks for sharing!
Yay!!! So excited! And yay stitch!! 😊
NICE NICE NICE!! cant wait to get some dual extrusion going so i can use that water dissolvable filament. Thank you for printing toothless, honestly i thought he was going to have to be printed bigger but you did it bro! CCT model just looks gorgeous, he did an awesome freaking job on stitch. AS ALWAYS JOEL!!! YOURE AWESOME!
Seems like a really useful new feature! Really wished for more closeups of where the support had touched the wings on toothless though. Cool stuff!
Love the product placement :)
So why didn't you show us how you set it up in Simplify3D?
I forgot. :(
could you please make a video and show us how to setup?
@@3DPrintingNerd, did you ever do a video to show how you set this up?
I'm especially interested in a setup using (1) extruder on a Prusa MK3
@@3DPrintingNerd hello. Did you make any video after Alums question
Oh, Man tough break with the Layer Shifts.
Great Video as always and I can see Josh has been Earning his Pay Cheque.
Seems like an interesting concept but still needs more testing IRL with a bigger sample size.
I normally use a 0.45mm Support offset printing at 0.15mm and get little to no Scaring on prints.
Would like to see a Side by Side with PVA and just PLA Supports.
This has been possible in Cura as from 2.3 which was released a year ago.
Just search for Support Interface Extruder in the custom settings.
PVA doesn't really stick well to PLA, so making the interface with a different material than the support infill decreases the reliability of the print. That's why the Support Interface defaults to the Support Extruder which is also used for the support infill.
Cura also has some very limited options for support customization. You can load in meshes to specify areas within which no support should be generated, or you can specify them as areas which should contain support.
Bravo Joel ! sempre il numero 1.
LOL suddenly Canadian.
I dont get the joke, (I am Canadian)
reflector36 it's a South Park reference
reflector36 look up Terrance and Phillip from South Park.
ahh yes, never really watched south park, thanks
Blame Canada! (for your 3d print fails...)
* Rips his head off
“An interesting feature”
Joe, cool video! Customisable supports can be done in Craftware too although it may not be to everyone's taste.
Hay Joel, my dad and I noticed that our Prusa i3 has almost regular layer shifting, it's done it on both the x axes and the y. What may be causing this?
Maurice Nonnenmacher awesome I'll try that. Thank you so much
Witheredfreddy64
sounds like a loose pulley or z-wooble
of the shift occurs regularly as in exactly at the same interval every sigle time, check the distance and see if it doesnt match the pitch of your Z threaded rods.
Otherwise check the pullies and see if any of them has some play (remove the belt first)
it could also be your hot end being loose and moving when the printer changes directions. Move you X axis so it locks in place and check if your hot end is loose.
if none of that works, try lowering your jerk and acceleration to say 8 / 800 respectively and check your drivers and maximum current
Check your belt tightness
Were you able to solve the problem?
I had to login to comment this.
What s the point of using soluble support if you just break it anyway? I would just put it in the water for awhile, so that the pva that attaches to the model disolve first, the other material support, will automatically fall off anyway.
Great video
Great! Would like to see more such more advanced stuff. High five !!!!!
I would love to do that as well, just need to find the time.
Slic3r does custom supports, interface layers, density, and a ton more. It has an awesome multi material setup. It's been able to do this for years. You just have to look for it in the modify told.
Have you seen the 4 cylinders in-line engine model? It looks so cool and it works
Thank you Joel for your opinions
Thanks for watching!
Simplify3D is awesome! Best for today)))
its great to see your genuine reaction when accepting defeat. be more careful next time.
ever thought about printing a PVA benchy boat for curiosity sake?
I was waiting for the Canadian joke from the second his head split.
Can you do this with cura?
Okay, the Canadian thing got me! Nice!
Thank you for sharing!
High Six
have you found the settings to stop the dual pillar and ooze shield at height?
Hey Joel! I love your stuff and seeing how you've grown so much in the past year. I'd like to start making some youtube videos myself and am curious what editing software you're using?
Must admit, kinda saw the split coming at the layer shift.
I wanna try duel extrusion out but neither of my working printers are upgradable in that way
Bummer on the layer shift but really interesting how you can use the regular filament and only use specialty filaments as interface layers. I know for not every application that works (say internal cavities) but I really like that option to save $$$ on PVA (or other dissolving filaments.) Keep up the good work!
Thank you as always, Calvin!
Have you had a chance to try the rigid.ink breakaway support material? It's supposed to work well with PETG, which is my go-to filament for most projects.
Nice video love it
The pla supports could be subdivided with pva so a larger column could brake at it's center or anywhere else. It could be useful for making support material disassembly easier for multi sided boxes with an opening on one face.
That's a super interesting idea!
3D Printing Nerd Thanks Mr. Telling, an example where I would do that came up in your video. A line of pva running straight down toothless's supports would have stopped him "hugging" the supports when they where removed. Because the pla support is now subdivided thanks to a line of pva down it's center the pla support now has 2 pieces with widths that could be less than half of the original supports letting one side of supports wiggle out before the 2nd half. Or both move into the cavity where the pva was away from the models arms. So many new ways to manipulate support structures, I now need a printer with two nozzles :)
where did you get the Moon Patrol t-shirt?
Hi Joel. Are 3d in fills available in s3d 4.0. Like in Cura?
Can the Mosaic and/or Prusa's multi-struder systems handle pla and pva? What about petg?
3:07 - Lol aww poor guy. We've all been there.
In all seriousness though, this is pretty awesome. Personally, I've been having great results using Meshmixer's branch supports recently. They have very minimal surface contact, and come off so much easier than the linear/curtain type supports.
I've been trying to print the same model with my BCN3D with little success, would you mind sharing your printing profile? Thanks
And that right there is why the removable bed mod I made for my fab mini uses 4 magnets... and a locator pin :D
hot to tell S3D to use extruder 2 for the interface support ? thx
ideaMaker apparently also has custom supports and is free. Haven't tried it out my self yet however.
is there a same option for cura??
Could the shifting have been caused by the earthquakes we've been having up here in the PNW? Or are the print beds stiff enough to protect against that?
Thanks for the informative video
Thanks for watching! As for the shift, it has to do with the position of the magnets and where they sit. I didn't have it just right, and, during printing, the machine would shake a bit, and it shook the build plate back into position.
Im having a problem in the new simplify 3d v4 a sloping angle will cause layers to be a bridge but if I import the same model into the old simplify 3d theres no bridge, printing the v4 gecode with out support will fail. the older will print perfect without support, is this a bug or just me
Holy smokes, I love the fact that you failed and still showed us. Proof that your mortal Sir.
Ha! Oh, I'm very mortal. :)
A flip top head is one way to make it easier to sand :P
why i look and feel the model print out so horrible. specially on the tooth .
after years any update on this test?
This whole time i was looking at those unloved bag of m&ms
Would be nice to have a quick example of how to set up the feature.
It's on the list!
This was done on a pre-release version of the software and I wasn't sure what I was allowed to show AND what would be changed in the final binary.
Oh sorry! Missed it. Thanks. I'll look for your pre-release vid.
Nice way to save money on PVA which is about 4 times the cost of PLA.
I just tried the "support interface extruder" setting in Cura, changed to 2, but in the layers view it doesn't seem to change, it does everything in extruder 1. When I select all support to be with 2 it changes, but setting.....
Wait.... I found it. There's another setting further down which says "Enable support interface" - Doh! That took me a while to figure out.
Maybe printing at 0.1mm could improve stitch upper teeth ?
Allan Elkaim I doubt it. Looks like it's some retraction issues. Not getting pressure up fast enough.
how did you do that i am having issues with simplifyer3d, i havea 3d printer with dependent dual extruder. I dont know how to choose the support material for the supports. can you maybe know the solution?
i wonder if u can show how to set this interface up for pva not just in printed after fact. i need to do this for a model im printing on a A30M !
How you doing joel hope everything going good
craftware also has customizable supports
The Flashprint software slicer allows for custom supports, layer heights etc. it’s actually the best slicer I use.
Hi I know this is a very old comment but i am just ordering the Creature pro 2 and would like to know how to do this on Flashprint if you could tell me please
@@darrenadams5283 I haven’t used it in a long time. But flash print allowed you to set and remove support material
The newest Flash Print is awesome! Have you had a chance to use it? I think it’s Flash Print 5.
@@3DPrintingNerd yes i have been using it on a Adventurer 3 and its a big upgrade from the old version. But for what i need to do i need dissolvable supports and i like the idea of doing it this way in your video. I think simple 3d looks like the easiest way to do it.
@@thelightspeed3d712 Thanks. I was hoping there was a way to do it like in this video on Flashprint but i don't think there is
6:56 "looks like the printing of this one did *shift* the bed"
LOL
Does anyone know how to tune the retractions properly on 3D printers so that the stringiness does not happen like on the dragon? Been searching the net for a good video that explains how to do that in Matter Control or Cura but it would seem there are no videos on this topic where people show practical videos of how to tweak the settings and then show prints based on tweaks.
Retract, temp settting as well as print over wall ? All in the calibration part of the reprap wiki
according to PRINT QUALITY TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDE, the issue is:
Layer height or bad temperature.
My personal experience:
increase the wall perimeter and also increase the infill/wall overlap. also you want to over extrude very slightly.
I've been waiting for this feature. It's way cheaper and faster
Joel, did you change your number of layers between your interface layers and the model? I would think in PVA you could get away with 0 blank layers between the interface material and the model.
you can actualy print with abs and pla supports and dissolve pla in 80 degress celsius solution of natrium hydroxide
I had that layer shift problem with my Sigma due to the bed so many times that I redesigned the bed.
How do you get PVA to stick. I can never get PLA to adhere to it
same i keep having that problem
You have to print PVA MUCH slower. I ended up having to go to down to 20mms for it to stick.
Thanks! Will give that a shot!
I found that setting a few mm extra on the restart works well. So when it goes back into the hotend it goes more than it had retracted. Also bumping the flow rate on that head can help.
What do you mean interface layers ?
8:08 seems Stitch should have used dental floss
1:08 you can see the missing layer(s)/split
Does Cura have this setting?
Yes, latest Cura does!
I find it hilarious that you put stitch in water considering he almost drowned in the movie because he can't do water 😂
Ah Ah ! Canadian Stitch ! XD
Nolween Lopez you got that right buddy!
@@kadengolda2373 You got that right mate!
Joel, did you set the interface distance to 0 for the PVA?
+fucx yes, I believe I did.
do you have any sla printers?
I do. I have the Form 2 and the Wanhao D7
time to update my simplify 3d :D
DO IT!
DONE IT!!! Best upgrade I've ever done...
A, I wanted it to go faster, and B, I wanted it to go faster.
Toothless looks like a winged salamander to me.
chanhien yeah...that's Stitch. 'How to Train Your Dragon' is where he came from if you are not familiar with him. They call them dragons, but your description is accurate enough.
ʻOhana means family. Family meansnobody gets left behind - or forgotten. ”
2:00 Hello darkness my old friend....
Wait...why wouldn't you just drop it in water anyway...would make the supports just fall off since the only thing connecting them is water soluble
The reason the upper teeth looks soo bad - not generated support.
There is old bug in Simplify3D that prevents supports to be created under pointy floating objects, its been reported since january 2015, so its wierd such a serious bug wasn't addressed in this new 4.0 release.
Thread of the issue : forum.simplify3d.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1977
Funny how most of the free slicers tackle this issue fine.
I want some M&M's now
How DID U USED PVA Support Interface Layers AND REST OF PLA IN Simplify3D 4.0 ?
+ऋshiकेsh Ghaटे yes
3D Printing Nerd
sorry I wanted to ask "HOW DID U" Not "WHO"
I guess spelled it wrong
PLEASE tell me what settings u used to save PVA?
Would Toothless work better if you printed him on his back?
Perhaps. I thought about that - may give it another try.
Joel, if you have PVA for support layer - why remove it by hand-force and not using WATER? isn't it what PVA is meant for in the first place?
2:15 Lol sounded like you said oh shit
Still loving the whoosh. It's the simple things in life...
Hahahahha. Woosh is coming back when my editor is back from vacation!
Craftware has customizable supports
joel, i have a stupid question. i would like to buy s3d. can we buy it with discount via your channel(is there a discount code for the subscribers?). greetings from holland :D
I wish there was, and I've reached out, but it's not possible at this time. Thanks for asking!
I have never 3d printed, but stitch looks messed up. teeth are terrible and I do see glitches where the layer was. like the teeth are messed up and there are marks where the layer was on the back of the head. or is that just me?
Why don't you drop the whole print into the water first to dissolve the PVA layer?
Mhmm....i saw you did that after i post the comment. lol. Thanks for your video!
Nooooo.....Stitch.... RIP....we barely knew you :(
Hahahahaha
Simplify3D 4.0. One might call it Simplify4D.
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
You should try to 3D print something on water
Meaning, on a boat?
Craftware from craft unique lets you do custom supports.
Dude, bad hair day! 😉
Surely if you're going to demonstrate using mixed filaments you should make sure the settings for the filament the model's made from are right before introducing another one into the process?
I'm starting to think I need another 3D printer with multiple extruders.
Prusa i3 Mk2 with multimaterial upgrade?
More close ups please
noted!
Are you sponsored by M&M's?
I wish! One of my subscribers sent a giant bag of M&Ms my way for snacks. SO GOOD.
High tech dual extruder with water soluble PVA, meets low tech pliers and no water ...why?
This is brilliant