ppl that say rx580 is better forget that 6500xt is litle over entry level card and rx580 was almost top of the line , yes it cost more now but the prices are not what use to be sooo this the new entry level price point for gaming just accept it XD and yes this is new card with warranty not some old gpu that may die any moment
Thanks for the review, I was thinking of putting one in my daughters PC which currently has a 2200g with intergrated graphics. All other reviewers saying it’s not got this or that but it has to be better than the 2200g right?
If you don't plan on streaming/broadcasting games there's nothing wrong with this GPU at MSRP. Believe it or not some of us don't dream of making it big as a twitch streamer.
@@MrJarvisful yes many modern games like elden ring, helldivers, dead space remake, etc. you can either not even run on power graphics or are restricted to lower than low graphics I have upgraded since and its been amazing
In my country the RTX 3050 sells for almost twice the price of 6500XT This is a great option for budget gamers but i do feel AMD skimped A LOT more than necessary Like having pcieX4 instead of X8 or X16 The problem with this approach is that you can no longer use an old platform if you want to use the full potential of the card Which make it a card that's meant for budget builds but in order to use the full potential of the card you have to buy newer platform which doesn't fit well with the "budget GPU" claims of this card
We are still using Pcie x16 slot for the gpu but preferably on the newer Pcie 4.0 port. You may encounter fps drop using an old Pcie 3.0 port i.e our older existing mobo's Pcie.
Basically coming from something like a GTX 1050 ti or a GTX 750 ti and with a very small budget the RX 6500 XT at MSRP is a viable option for lots of people. It's way better than a GTX 1050 ti and doesn't even cost as much as a second hand GTX 1650 super. It's still available at MSRP and comes with a 3 year warranty unlike any second hand card you buy. All the better off people who can afford to spend £300 - £500 or more on a GPU good luck to them but lots of people can't afford it and this card is an option for them.
The 6500XT is not a great option at all, the 4x pcie lanes severely limit performance on pcie 3.0, which is what most people have who are shopping at this pricepoint. Pcie 4.0 is only on newer mobos which are often half the cost of this GPU.
@@arcticowl1091i agree, imo rx5500xt is a better option, you get almost the amount of performance with double the vram, albeit it's just a tad bit expensive in my country, but still a better option than 6500xt
We wanted a budget graphics card with the same features as a GPU that was launched in the past 5 years. Cutting out h264, h265 and AV1 video encode and AV1 decode was a big mistake.
It seems it can encode 1080 and possibly 1440o h264. But has to be confirmed, tested. The AMD website only says it can not do 4K h264. Edit: no, the AMD website is just weird.
they didn't cut it per se, it was made without it because it's laptop GPU repurposed for desktop. Why have h264 encoding when APU next to it has it? Same reason why it is 4 lanes because APU next to it has pcie 4
I picked up the Sapphire Pulse 6500xt yesterday for $199. It will serve it's purpose in my parents' prebuilt pc. They don't game hardly at all, but if my son is visiting and he wants to do some light gaming on some less demanding titles, then he'll have that option.
I like and respect Zach very, very much. That being said, I don't think I could disagree any more strongly. I do NOT lay any of the blame on Zach regarding any part of the craziness that has taken over the entire GPU market in the last couple of years, but I do think that opinions like his may be propagating, and even proving the effectiveness of, an enormous marketing push across the entire market to gaslight the average consumer into expecting that they should have to pay way more money for way less performance than what current gen tech is able to deliver. I think it's somewhat dangerous, on the consumer level, once we get to the point where we look at what the 6500XT is and how it performs (as well as any other card to come out in the last two year compared to its market price) and we begin to accept that as 'normal' and as 'just the way it is'. People with enough disposable income that buying the newest or biggest of everything is easy for them is one thing, but the boom in crypto prices is the exception, not the rule. That and all of the other supply/demand variables that have come into play to create the perfect storm for GPU pricing. Those values as well as the GPU prices that go up and down along with them as long as there are suckers who continue buying in, will ALWAYS rise and fall as long as GPUs are able to mine with. But if GPU manufacturers/distributors truly have their way, they will convince as many people as possible that less performance for more money is how it's 'supposed to be'. That way they can just drive prices way up on ALL GPUs, ALL of the time and make those huge, inflated profits ALL of the time and not just when crypto is up and there are new cards released
From my take, Zach is just giving his current take of the card in the current market right now, not the future. His points are valid. People are buying the GT 710s and 1030s. People have the option to buy or not. AMD and NVIDIA both know that at some point the crypto bubble using gpus will burst and the supply of cards will flood the market. Their sales will go down and prices adjust. Of course inflation could get worse and none of this will matter because you can't afford anything. Got to remember it is all relative.
The crypto boom has been going for a long time and who knows when it'll stop, gpu prices are trending upwards inevitably for the foreseeable future. This is the way things are for now. 🤷♂️
I agree that I don’t think this card will be as inflated in pricing as the 3050, so it will definitely be the best option for budget gamers that aren’t wanting to test the used market. However, the same thing that limits its mining potential is the one that is going to limit its gaming potential, even at 1080p, as shown by the CoD benchmarks; the 4gb of VRAM. If they added even just 2gb more, that helps with performance so much, but then again it becomes more valuable for mining and thus would be inflated more. I think for $200 it’s a fine new purchase, but anything more than $250 and I don’t think it’s worth it.
So correct me if I'm wrong, at $300, you'd go with a used rx580 as a better alternative? Maybe a Bstock 2060? Obviously if you were willing to go used and not creating content.
If your argument really hinges on "It's better than a used RX580 because WARRANTY!" then maybe your contacts might be a bit too rose-tinted. At MSRP, it was a fair enough deal but at the inflated prices I've been seeing just save up and get the 6600...at least then you won't be trying to unload a card that has no value in 4-6 months to upgrade again. It's e-waste.
Scalper gonna scalp...if that's your only option then my sympathies. I can go to my local Micro Center and grab a 6500xt for ~$260-300 or a 6600 for ~$470-500. Oddly enough, local MC shows they've got some RX560s in stock for under $200, which is still probably a better buy than this.
What inflated prices? Both $200 models of the 6500 XT were available on newegg today. Maybe for every other graphics card you can only get them off of ebay if you didn't buy one the exact second it was released, but this card is being restocked at retailers without marking up the price.
I am running currently on a i7 4790 CPU with 16 GB of RAM and I think this RX 6500XT seems to be a best budget option in India as in the Price range of Rs. 10k - 13k, I am hardly able to find a card like this online. For temporary solutions, this card would be a better option than going for a 1650 Low Profile one.
Well, 8 months later the card is still a viable choice. I just bought 10 off AMZ to build a 10 station computer lab for a private residential community, for $170/ea.. For casual use they are great, but still have enough performance to bang out modern game titles and stream at 1080p.
@@HondoJarrus I mean good luck getting the 6500xt for 250 usd too lol, only reason you might find it at this price point is because its total garbage and not many people will buy it. As for the 5500xt, there are some listings on ebay starting from 250 usd bid and 350 usd buyout, so its not impossible.
Yes, it's the budget card that people have been asking for. However, it is worth it tho? I'd say no. At 200 USD that AMD claimed to be MSRP initially, yes.. But at 300-350 USD, it's a hard pass for me. I'd rather save some more money and buy a better one
See them selling in Russia with MSRP +5% maybe price. Since all other stuff cost way higher (even 1050ti was priced 30% higher) I think this is pretty much great deal. And that's why it was sold rly fast.
I got an RX 6500XT and honestly I'm actually glad. I had a GT 1030 (2020 revision) and it was super crap. My rig can run the x264 encoder for streaming off of the cpu with no issues, so that's also not a big deal, and the 3D renders I need for work come out super fast with really high resolution And for gaming, it handled everything I want at 144fps So yeah, the rx is not a bad card, even if it is PCi x8, it's pretty good with thise 2.8GHz of clock speed Summarizing, i recommend the RX 6500XT for those who need a newer card. It's not the best but it does it's job very well + it's not as expensive since "no one" wants it.
Same people see this card and think bad of it I have the RX 6500 XT pcie 4 and u run good graphics on apex, Val, fn, cod and they all run amazing in terms of fps and graphics video recording is smooth but definitely get pcie4 if ur going to get the card
@@7Dope what’s your pc build? Sorry I want to build my own pc and I want to start with this graphics card. I herd it’s bad and it’s good and idk what to do lmao
what’s your pc build? Sorry I want to build my own pc and I want to start with this graphics card. I herd it’s bad and it’s good and idk what to do lmao
@@xzoner1x955 look my build is a Ryzen 5 5600x RX 6500 xt 1 TB SSD and a b550-f wifi gaming motherboard but j suggest save some money because 8 GB gpus are going to go down in price since the 40 series are coming out
Dude I straight up agree, it beats a regular 1650 sometimes still on PCIe 3.0, and pretty much everyone has a video out there HATING on this GPU. It's way better than an A380 and at least your getting a new GPU. The fact it's under $150 right now to is straight value man.
ordered one for $199 off Newegg today sold and shipped by Newegg and I sold my 1650 4 gig on ebay last year for $300 and this card is on par with a 1660 in performance so yes for a actual $200 card you can buy today that in allot of games beat my 1070 8 gig at 1080p AMD did awesome and i am already seeing other cards drop in price because of it like the 1660s and such (this is a budget gaming only card )
I think the RX 6500XT is more for the budget gamer, those that aren't willing to go onto the used GPU market. I bought the RX 570 8GB card back in 2019 because it was the best bang for the buck card I could find brand new locally at the time, and so far it's been a real workhorse for me. It's held up well over the last couple of years in my Linux build, and with proper TLC it's going to last me long enough to save up for a new PC build. I'm going to keep my current rig, the only reason I'd get this new card is if my current GPU broke.
I bought this on sale and it’s literally just for me to game on and upgrade from my rx460 I needed something a bit better this answered my prayers one day once I’m out of college and not on such a tight budget I’ll get a high end card but right now this is perfect just for a year or two till I have better cash for a good build this is a budget card yet everyone hates it for being a budget card it makes no sense.
While it always great to see a content creator go against the crowd and challenge pre-conception. This is a bad take, the fact that a card in the same performance group released 5 years ago can go blow for blow in performance (and win in features out of the box) with a card released in 2022 is a literal joke. It’s market exploitation at its most egregious. As we all know MSRP is a fairytale, so this will go for even more and AMD knows it. Compare the price it will actually go for vs the price the RX 580 went for when it released and you have a clearer picture of how AMD, NVIDIA, Intel will always choose to exploit the market whenever the opportunity presents itself. Buying this card shows them that we’re happy with them doing that, and this will encourage them to do whatever they can to make sure this market state stays the same (similar story for diamonds, it’s all forced artificial scarcity). You should never recommend such a product or suggest for people to settle for so little, if they do, this “scarcity” will continue for a decade or more
it isnt 5 years ago . time marches forward . prices have changed . they are not going back . if you want a card that blows away 2018 cards open your wallet. your not going to get it for 200$ .
@@AlistairMaxwell77 I understand that, but because the market is messed up doesn’t mean we should support it. I understand why some people might go for this card, but the reviewer framing it as a “good” card is the worst take I’ve seen during this shortage
@@teeboh99 its not "the market" . the global economy has entered an inflationary cycle . everything is going up will not go back down . inflation will compound year upon year until the cycle is finished . I can complain I can't get a Toyota for what they cost in 2019 and "not support it" , but sooner or later I will need to buy another car . mining will take the sting out of some of the pricing of some of the cards , but your going to pay probably twice as much for high demand consumer electronics as you did before the start of this cycle . the time of 100-150 gpu's for this level card will never return .
still got batches on and off at msrp in US and in au and nz 6500xt are still available at msrp, so ur take pretending this msrp is like nvidia is just wrong
Thanks for the good video.. A lot of these negative comments didn't age well.. it's 5 months later and prices are still crazy for a budget PC build GPU imo.. Here is my story lol I came from am3 with a AMD Phenom 2 x3 720 2.8GHz 8GB ddr3 XFX r9 285 2GB 650 PSU.. Getting very bad FPS and even World of Warcraft was hard to run and decent settings.. I play all kinds of games btw.. sooo for $400 back in Feb 2022 I got, asrock b450 Mobo $75 Ryzen 3 3100 3.6GHz $190 in Feb 2022, (I know I way overpaid, I wanted a 3300x but was sold out or more than the entire build.) T-Force Delta (2x8) 16gb ddr4 3200 RGB (out of box) $65 and picked up a case for $50 (mine was an old tower from a business that was crap) Prices are rounded but it came out to $400 on newegg... pcie4 btw.. My first time doing a fresh build instead of hand me down parts.. Mobo's GPUs CPUs etc Game changer with the Ryzen but now I am limited by the 2gb r9 285.. It was a good mid range card back in the day but now it lacks vram and gets way hot and a rx 6500 xt will fix all that. This dated GPU is a bottleneck now and I was hesitant to get the 6500 because of the 64 bit coming from 256 bit.. Hate to admit it but to save money I was looking at the 6400 lol but don't tell nobody.. So I picked one (ASRock Phantom Gaming D Radeon RX 6500 XT PCI Express 4.0)up on newegg for $200 with tax but it also came with 3 games they said valued at $180 - saints row 2022, Forespoken, and sniper elite.. It is going to be a huge upgrade even with the limits so I am looking forward to getting it in and checking it out.. That's all I have to say about that..
The problem with this card is that for the same price and 5 years ago you could get the same performance. The card it's replacing in the 5500XT is better and offered 8GB of Vram. Luckily I'm not in the market for any new pc parts as I bought mine at the very last time msrp existed in late 2020.
Its worse...my Series S has more CU's (20 vs 16) and I can get a WHOLE console that will last 6/7 years for the retail price of what this card will sell for...Really this card is for the desperate or people with dying GPU's as a replacement. Luckily for me I retro RTS game on my i5 3470 so I can cope with onboard GPU for that.
actually this card is selling for $199 on Newegg just bought one and already seeing other cards sold by scalpers going down ....dose not look purity but I think it was a good move for AMD and budget gamers on a tight budget and for getting young kids up and running at 1080p when before they were stuck with IGPU
It's not 5 years ago. I could also get a better car for less money 5 years ago. I could buy a much bigger house for the same money 5 years ago. I don't like it either, but it's a different world.
For me buying this card made sense. I am building my first ever pc so there is no card to upgrade from. Also my build is pcie 4.0. I bought it for 235 euro. So near msrp. The gtx 1650 cost the same in my country for less performance so that wasn't really a dilemma. On top of that, I will be playing mostly titles released during 2020 and back, because I skipped the ps4 game generation. And my monitor is 1080p 60fps. I plan to keep this card for a couple of years and then upgrade to something better. It is a fine substitute while I wait for the gpu market to come to its senses, when at the same time I have fun playing games.
this 100% I came from am3 with a AMD Phenom 2 x3 720 2.8GHz 8GB ddr3 XFX r9 285 2GB 650 PSU.. sooo for $400 back in Feb I got, asrock b450 Mobo $75 Ryzen 3 3100 3.6GHz $190 in Feb 2022, I know I way overpaid, I wanted a 3300x but was sold out or more than the entire build. Delta (2x8) 16gb ddr4 3200 RGB (out of box) $65 and picked up a case for $50 (mine was an old tower from a business that was crap) Prices are rounded but it came out to $400 on newegg... pcie4 btw.. My first time doing a fresh build instead of handme downs.. Game changer but now I am limited by the 2gb r9 285.. It was a good mid range card back in the day but now it lacks vram and gets way hot and a rx 6500 xt will fix all that. This dated GPU is a bottleneck now and I was hesitant to get the 6500 because of the 64 bit coming from 256 bit.. Hate to admit it but to save money I was looking at the 6400 lol but don't tell nobody.. So I picked one (ASRock Phantom Gaming D Radeon RX 6500 XT PCI Express 4.0)up on newegg for $200 with tax but it also came with 3 games they said valued at $180 - saints row 2022, Forespoken, and sniper elite.. It is going to be a huge upgrade even with the limits so I am looking forward to getting it in and checking it out..
You've made no compelling argument as to why everybody else is wrong. This and the GDDR4 GT 1030 is AMD/Nvidia testing the waters at anti-consumer business practices.
Did we watch the same video? he made many good points like : its the cheapest thing available, its in stock, its only $200, you cant even buy a 5 year old card for this cost, it uses 1/2 the power of rx580. its gen 3 speed is not as bad as its made out to be.
Im from Costa Rica and I bought this card for around $300. I Played in high settings 1080p 55 to 60fps Cyberpunk, Elden Ring, Dirt Rally, Deus Ex mankind divided, The Witcher 3 etc. In case I want to record my gameplay I use OBS. I have core i3 12100f, 16gig RAM and a couple of SSDs. It runs smooth any game in high settings.
@@jesra8405 nunca he jugado league of legends pero no creo que tenga ningún problema y si lo tiene debe ser algo del juego porque la tarjeta va excelente.
@@anghell1823 gracias por responder, es que en los pocos videos que encontré por aquí, mostraban perdida de fps, lag, cosas así, en LoL, en fin, muchas gracias por responder
Does is have any fps drops ??? What is fps drop % and have you played any other high end games like battlefield ? I'm trying to buy this card it's on sale
It's not worth anymore than $150, yet here we are. There are far more negatives to this card than positives. It's worse at doing what it needs to do than cards from 2 or even 3 generations ago.
Considering it struggles to match $200 cards from years ago I'd barely even call it $150. It simply shouldn't exist and they should have continued making 5xxx cards.
unfortunately I've seen gt1030 go for $130, I would rather pay 200 for this than $130 for a gt 1030. gpu prices are screwed, and I think this will actually hit it's $199 msrp (becuase it's terrible for scalpers and miners)
@@legendp2011 You better try again scalpers have already jack the price north of $400 but Newegg still has them for $270 in stock good luck with getting one for MSRP.
Just bought one today oc edition $150 CA,upgrading from Rx 570 4gb and from what I’ve seen this the best budget for value. I will love to see how it preforms. It’s fine if you don’t agree obviously if your not on a budget get a better card but this is perfect for me 😊 hope this helps you make your decision if your thinking of buying one and also remember it can be temporary you can always upgrade later down the road
The golden days of PC building were nice. IMO after artificial inflation hits this card, it will cost $400 in retail stores. That's the same price i build an entire ryzen 3 3100, rx 580 gaming rig for in 2019 after taking advantage of what was a great used market for gpus. The market is pretty sad nowadays.
In 2019 the world wasn't being shut down and we weren't suffering from the highest inflation in decades. The market is fucked, it's not AMD's fault, it's not the AIB's fault.
I think you nailed it. I recently upgraded my rig to a B550 w/Ryzen 5700G (stuck with on-board graphics for budget reasons). So most of those "concerns" people bring up are irrelevant ... PCI x4: non-isuue, I have gen4 No encoders: non-issue, I don't stream 4GB VRAM: no so good, but still better than shared system RAM 2 outputs: non-issue, I don't steam I just want something to get away from onboard video, and this seems perfect.
Your experience checks out, but as Zach mentioned, you are in the single-digit percentage of the users this card targets (those with PCIe 4.0). For 90% of their target market, this isn't a compelling upgrade, and that's why it doesn't make sense. I have a 970/4790 system and even with something that old, this isn't even close to practical.
In the US this was never priced that high as what was estimated in the video. It came in around $220 on avg for the baseline, and after a couple months was at MSRP. Yes I fully agree that a lot of reviewers were being idiots in their commentary about this because as much as they complained about pricing, to sensationalize their videos, when a REAL budget GPU hits the market they say don't buy it. I don't know how you could be more hypocritical than THAT. This was better than the 1650 Super and was typically priced better, and most people don't need the encoders
It's pretty onpar with the 1650 Super (and a lot of the time a GTX 1060). I still don't consider the 6500XT to be any really good value. It's a low end and budget product, alright. That is "budget" in today's market of inflated GPU prices, of course. But similar to the high end market, where prices don't matter at all -- this is a product where price is the only thing that matters. Just a tier above the value you get is so much better it's not a contest. I'm looking for a possible replacement for my aging 1050ti, but this is not going to be it. The 1050ti as entry-level to 1080p gaming was paired with 4GB of VRAM 6 years ago already. As a result, it can actually still game quite a few AAA games with ~45fps medium settings such as Elden Ring half a decade later. The 6500XT meanwhile won't offer anywhere near that value as even on lower settings and older games on higher settings, the 4GB are just about enough. And that's just the VRAM. The advantage in rendering power on a RX6600 is much higher than any of the benchmarks in this video suggests. So you can keep it even after a CPU upgrade or with your next system some more. "Cheap" means "cheap" in this case.
in australia, u can get the 6500xt for the same price as the gtx 1650, even though it is 28% more powerful than it according to GPU user benchmark, and the card is in stock as well bc it seems like everyone doesn't want it, but for low budget gamers, its a steal coming in at AUD $390 which is approx USD $275.
I think it might be worth looking at IF you have pci-e 4.0. Otherwise, it's a hard pass. It's an x4 card, so if you have a pci-e 3.0 motherboard, it's going to run at 3.0 x4. That actually makes it slower than a 580 8GB in most games. In some games, it's a lot slower. But, yeah, if you have 4.0 and need something to tide you over until better GPU prices come, it may be worth looking into.
@@JustAGuy85 I think even for a guy like me with pci-e 3.0 motherboard, I'd still pick 6500xt over rx 580. Because the rx580 price is almost double the 6500xt here
@@willibrahmantyo9939 lmao in australia all the new rx 580s are AUD 1100 which is like 900 usd, complete ripoff so thats when the 6500xt will be a viable option
Hey I just bought this exact video card as an open box item from Microcenter for $78.00. It is paired with a Ryzen3 5300G and it rocks big time - at least for me.
Hey man the Ryzen 3 5300G has intergrated graphics. And if you have a discrete gpu, you might as well get a 5600 or even a 5500. You'd gain 2 more cores (very big performance boost) and in the case of 5600 more cache (not all workloads will benefit from it) and better i/o.
@@rLegitian yes I know this but I bought a pre built HP system on eBay with a Ryzen 3 5300g for $150 and I got a new power supply that has pcie power connections for the GPU power. The CPU could be better yes but it works really well for how little I paid
If I buy an rx 580, 480, a gtx 1060 3gb or a 1650. I'm getting a relatively low range card by today's standards. I might be worried about the gpu bottlenecking my cpu. But at least om not worried about the gpu bottlenecking itself. As I said in another comment, products like this are akin to the hp stream laptops. I had a special ultra cut down image built for then in university because so many people brought them in when windows tried to update and couldn't. 32gb of flash storage made them basically inoperable as a windows laptop. They were were cheap laptop, they sort of functioned, they sort of sort of did computer things... but they didn't help the cheap laptop market they made it worse. They didn't make computing cheap, they made it a horrible experience. Hp sold e waste to the uniformed. That's this card, it doesn't make gaming cheap. It makes cheap gaming worse.
My rig has a R9 3900x 32 GB Ram and a 1660 Ti as a place holder, I have a bottle neck lol My 1660 Ti out preforms this RX 6500xt my old rig still works but currently needs rebuilding I am waiting for a deal to either find a new GPU for my old rig or and upgrade to this rig to pass down the 1660ti sadly this RX 6500xt is not worth it for my old rig as it has the key features of AV1 and H264 encoding missing, as I want to turn on old rig in to a media and back up NAS and as a screen capture machine too, this is a frustrating launch
@@skashax777x thos card isnt for people like you. Its for people who WANTED a 1650 or 1660 but cant afford them because theyre so gosh dang expensive. People who are running integrated graphics and need something thats affordable and works.
The GPU is SUPPOSED TO BE the bottleneck in your graphics performance.. ffs.. An old 2011 X5650 6 core/12 thread stock clocked Xeon doesn't bottleneck the RX 580 8GB at 1430/2100mhz, 99% of the time. I bought a Ryzen 1700 8/16 motherboard-16GB ram-CPU combo (200 bucks woo!), at stock clocks it has the same performance. There are moments, when the CPU is being slammed, the 1700 allows the performance to stay a single digit FPS higher than with the X5650, but that's probably less than 1% of time in a game. GPU is supposed to be the graphics bottleneck, if anything else is, you've underbuilt your rig or used an overpowered card for the build.
@@lfc1903 No, he doesn't. He literally doesn't: "There's just so many reasons I'm happy about this graphics card and honestly, people are just looking at this the completely wrong way". That was the first sentence in the video. He then spends the next few minutes bleating on about his sponsors, and then just re-hashing the news that this card *exists* and just keeps saying he "likes it" without telling us WHY. The WHY is the point. The video's title is (as time of writing) "Why everyone is WRONG about the RX6500XT". I waited for several minutes to him to answer the "why". After that I gave up and made my comment after he constantly repeated himself and rehashed existing news. There is a reason this video was stretched to 10 minutes: It's clickbait and he needs it to be 10+ minutes otherwise the RUclips algorithm doesn't promote his video. He could have literally made this 2 minutes long and been informative, but instead he decided to trick the audience so he can make more money. I have nothing against Zach earning a living, but not like this and I refuse to be a part of it. The more we reward BS and clickbait like this, the more it will spread. This was the first time I've ever watched Zach's content, and it will be the last. I don't like being "tricked" into wasting my time on a empty video and there are plenty of other tech RUclipsrs who will treat their audience with more respect than this. So maybe, instead of leaving passive aggressive comments to complete strangers, maybe consider that my point was actually accurate and I had a valid criticism, even if don't you agree with it.
Got this card in October 2022 for around 155 USD, Can't be any more happier!, paired with my several gen older 3200g it runs everything pretty well, it'll run any game I throw at it until the point I realized I need to upgrade my CPU because it's no longer keeping up with the 6500xt 😂 people are hating because they got spoiled with higher end gpus and not realizing where this card sits and the needs of its buyers, I know that if it has the video encoder it'll be in a much better position but even without it, the 6500xt still brings very good performance to the table. *planning to upgrade to an i3 12100/f because it seems to be a good path *even now (early november 2022) rtx 3050s are still about twice the price of the 6500xt if not more (in my country)
They made the 6500XT because gamers wanted a card you could buy new in store for under 300.00. The RX 570 came out before video card prices skyrocketed
1. sick build you've got there. really digging that AIO and now i'm going to spend an hour trying to find it. 2. I'll give you points for the click bait title. 3. Still a dumb graphics card and not worth it. Someone else said at $200 it's worth it, but i'll push back on that just a bit. At $150 I'll bite as a decent low to low-medium setting graphic card that gets people up and running. At $200 I expect a hell of a lot better performance than what I've seen so far from some of the charts. I'm not surprised that those games have high frame rates, this card is equivalent to a card that was made when they came out. For a card that came out in 2022, I don't expect to see 2015 performance. Not at $200 msrp and actual price at $300
the limited support for video encoding is deal breaker for me. i want a budget gpu to play game and editing. if you just want is for gaming purposez this card should be good for the price
This GPU is useless. It doesn't matter what you say, this card should have been way cheaper than its MSRP, stop promoting or encouraging AMD with this. You must have been paid to say all this. You are the only reviewer who like this card which simply means people shouldn't trust your reviews. Its clear that your reviews are biased
this guy is smart.. as an igpu gamer, and stucked with it, this kind of graphics card is my target. i will be using it for games , netflix and youtube only. plus there is an rx 6400
Loved your take on this Zach. so many people are so worked up and picky about the fact that the card is not so powerful and feature-packed when they are forgetting the underlying problem.... WE DONT HAVE GRAPHICS CARDS......ANYWHERE!!!! for a decent price at least
This card games for me at 4k medium settings. Pro tip Don't update your drivers. Amd has crippled the card with the most recent drivers but earlier drivers, this card runs like a beast
Zach is definitely a glass half full type of guy. People don't want just a budget graphics card. People want a DECENT budget graphics card at a price that makes sense. This is not a solution to anything imo. Once artificial inflation hits this card (which it will in the current gpu market regardless of crypto performance due to overly high demand and limited supply), the price to performance will make absolutely no sense. This card gets outperformed by a 1650 super, and it will probably cost about $400 in retail stores. (The cheapest you can find a 6600 right now realistically is between $500 and $550, which is why i think the 6500xt will be inflated to $400). 1650 supers on the used market already exist at that $400 price, they just dont make sense to buy due to 4GB of vram and overall bad price to performance, which will make this card even less sensible to buy at that price. I do hope im wrong about the price, but i doubt it. There's absolutely no reason to be optimistic about the gpu market right now. The card would make sense for $200-250. I think you'd be making a mistake buying this card for around $400 which will likely be the price on it imo after inflation.
The thing is no one can buy a decent budget card nowadays without paying double. Unless you are talking about AMD direct buy but it's always OOS. This card is not for everyone yes, it's for those who want to buy brand new instead of used ones from Kijiji. If this card is decent then you will have to probably pay $400 for it which is insane.
@@pajamaphoebs939 there were aftermarket versions of the card sold for $370 on release day. It like every other gpu that has been released recently sold out in seconds. Also just based on what comparable 4GB cards are selling for on the used market (1650 supers, gtx 980s, rx 580s, etc.), it'll be artificially inflated to at least $400 retail and on the used market. That's what you can expect to pay barring some miracle that you actually were able to purchase it for its original retail price.
@@jesusbarrera6916 yeah im baffled that its staying in stock at its msrp. Hadn't seen a graphics card do that in a couple of years now. As i said in the original reply to the video, the card makes sense in todays market at its msrp. I just was almost certain that it would get artificially inflated. I was hoping to be wrong about the inflation, and im pleasantly surprised that I am.
@@rosswrld1143 easy explanation - Who actually wants this? miners don't want it. High end gamers don't want it, Mid range gamers don't want it. It's too expensive for low end gaming. Anyone who has a mid range card and higher from around 2 generations ago (maybe even 3) to present gen is almost 99.99% better off sticking with what they have. Scalpers are the only ones buying. I'm on a 1070 and I'm not touching this. PC Enthusiasts are desperate but they're not that stupid to throw money at a card that's worse in every way than a previous gen. The only ones that want this are new system builders and people who only buy new. That's not a big market. I shudder to think how awful the even more budget version of this - the 6400 is going to be.
AMD has supported PCIE 4.0 for 3 years now. You can get a PCIE 4.0 motherboard for $50. What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that it was this card or no card. This is a upclocked laptop die slapped on a PCB for use in desktop. There was originally no intention of selling this die on desktop. This decision was made after tape out. Adding more lanes and encoders would have meant a new die. The lead time on a new die is 10 months and the cost of a new die is around 200 million USD on 7nm. Its not like Nvidia is offering any alternatives at this price point. What are you going to buy? A 1650? That card is significantly weaker on a PCIE 4.0 motherboard.
@@gamingcyber334 AMD supported pcie 4.0 as early as the Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, and Intel beginning in their 11th gen. There are plenty of CPUs available which support it, including motherboards.
@@jhao3598 I get that but your missing the point. I'm talking about the gamers that can't justify the expense of upgrading to those generations and platforms
@@gamingcyber334 Yes, a lot of people are still happily on Kaby Lake and earlier, but most are upgrading to the newest platforms available via bundles and sales. The "some people" are an exception but the majority are able to upgrade, even if it's slowly. DDR4 RAM (2x8gb kit) has been affordable due to DDR5, as low as $50 from retail (Crucial has been dumping a lot recently in waves for instance). CPUs, at the moment the i5-12600K is $295 - 300 across most retailers and it's going to go lower once the next generation is ready for release. The AMD Ryzen 5 5600X is also roughly around the same pricing and it will expect the same outcome. As for motherboards, they of course can vary but the ones that fit most people's needs are less that $150. If one is going for Intel, they have to make sure they can get a DDR4 supported motherboard due to DDR5 price to performance currently. Cheapest B560 that supports DDR4 from retail is the Asus PRIME B660M-A D4, can be had for $140 right now from Amazon and it should meet a gamer's needs. If going for AMD, the cheapest B550 from retail is the ASRock B550M-HDV for $80 from Newegg, and it'll meet a budget gamer's needs just fine. Both Intel and AMD routes will be roughly $450 - 500 at the moment regardless which ever is taken (taking into account CPU + Mobo). And, deals will always happen for other alternatives and other components. As for the GPU... I would not consider the RX 6500XT at its current price, save some money and get the RX 6600 or RX 6600XT since they are more often in stock, but I imagine it will go down to lower than $150 since nobody wants to buy this junk due to its price to performance and other negative compromises. Miners might play with it to see how much hashrates they can get but won't depend on it and will not recommend usage of it, scalpers will try to flip them because "shiny GPU" for a month or two but since nobody wants to buy them at even higher pricing they will sell them at the price they bought it for (or even less), and most gamers won't buy it because their eyes are not on a card like this. They want a GPU such as the RTX 3060 or RX 6600 minimum, which those go for at least $500 retail (pretty sure the 3060 goes for a few hundred more). Only the budget gamers will consider this card over other options, but give it some time and this will be at a great price anyways. Just take a look at the Ryzen 7 5800X, while it didn't receive as much harsh criticism from reviewers and consumers (because it wasn't a bad chip) it was the first Ryzen 5000 chip to be regularly in stock and the first to begin having its price slashed closer to what many said it should've been (I bought mine at $440 since it was the only in stock option at the time and it's currently regularly available at $360, close to the price many said it should've been at in the first place). Am I still missing some point? Once again I understand a lot of people cannot upgrade due to financial reasons so they're stuck with a DDR3-supported machine but there's even more people looking to upgrade everything anyway. From what I've read, a lot of people looking for a low budget gaming GPU in countries with unfortunate financial circumstances do appreciate this GPU due to it actually being affordable for them, and we'll just have to wait and see what the 3050 will do (I imagine it will be better performing but more expensive, out of stock regularly, and scalped to shit like every other GPU, as well as the Intel GPUs that are upcoming but really we'll just have to wait and see).
@@jhao3598 the "some people" that you so quickly brushed off are the ENTIRE POINT!!! I understand that most are upgrading to the latest and (depending on how big their wallet is) greatest. But the majority of the people that would be buys this card fall under "some people". Remember this card is literally marketed towards them. Not everyone else running a 12600k. In the end, the reason why this gpu was so poorly received was because they marketed to low budget gamers who can't justify an at least $200+ platform upgrade AND a $200+ gpu. Any budget gamer will tell you that they would just get the gpu now and upgrade the rest later, but after seeing the preformence on their 8th/9th gen build or older build, would probably have buyers remorse. And worst case, scalp their card to just end up waiting for the next one. Also let's not forget, not everyone in the gaming space is running ryzen 3000 or newer/ 11th gen intel. There are lots of gamers out there that run 4th gen intel still (as much as most people here seem to forget this fact) and first or second gen ryzen. THOSE people are the ones ultimately buying this card. And those people are ultimately going to feel like they wasted their money on this card
I think unfortunately you are right. Its a bad card at a bad price. But the market is so terrible right now that it actually represents a big plus for people actually trying to get into pc gaming. The other reviewers are happy to point at like the rx 480 launching at $200 dollars in 2017 as a reason to hate on this, and while they are absolutely right. At the moment you'd be lucky to find a used 480 for less than $250
Lmao dude have you actually watched the other reviewers? It has missing video encoders/decoders, only 4gb of vram, only x4 lanes and with 580 performance level selling for the same - NO WAIT It's actually selling for almost 50% more. You're as deluded as gpu fanboys come
Would be less of a disappointment if it wasn't a downgrade from the 5500XT in many games, even when running Gen 4. This card would be better received as just a 5500 XT 4GB refresh. Which as you stated, isn't ALL bad, supply is supply. Having more budget cards in the market is a net positive even if they aren't any better than their predecessors. That said, it is a big letdown from the impressive performance of the rest of the 6000 series, and puts a stain/bad taste on an otherwise really good series of cards.
Well, I dont think it should be sold as a refresh since its a new design and alot more efficient than the old generation. When did people stop care about power draw/performance? And as in the video, you get a new product. yes you can buy a 5500xt used and hope that it works when you get it. But i wouldnt.
@@gluttenglutten Yeah that's where I think calling it a 6400 comes into play instead. It's worse than the 5500 XT, but it does have 6000 series tech. Selling it as a RX 6500 XT is just embarrassing to AMD. I think it is a good value at MSRP, it's just VERY poorly marketed. In terms of your efficiency comment, how is 107W a notable improvement over the 115W of the 5500 XT?
@@eazen Care to explain? I don't think you understood the purpose of my comment. I AGREE with the premise of the video, I am just noting why I believe the card is getting such bad press... Which is because people rightly expect to see improvements in products from one generation to the next. So if AMD's marketing department had removed the expectation that it should be an improvement over the 5500 XT by calling it something else (like a 6400), done. Problem solved.
If you've got gen 4 it's OK but if you're in the majority it isn't. Having said that it'll probably age OK with gen 5 standardising though the 4GB and 64 Bit memory restriction will likely stop it "aging like fine wine". For most folks a 1650S is a better choice right now and at(in the UK) a current new price of £20 more than a 6500XT makes it a no brainer. I really don't understand gimping the card with 4 communication lanes while Nvidia cards maintain the full interface width, I mean the electronic components to make this card open literally cost a couple of quid(if that)(I am a professional electronics buyer by trade BTW). It's one thing to remove functions but it's another to strangle the card.
I feel like its a uarch thing The 6600 and 5500 where 128bit and only had x8 where this card is 64 bit and has x4. And by this i mean i think the die is not capable of using more than 4 lanes. Its probably a gcn to rdna change. But i dont have design documents so its just speculation. In laptops its fine and 12th gen is getting pritty cheep to get on to. With the i3 being $120 and all. Anybody with a 6c6t chip could probably upgrade for nothing out of pocket.
@@andrewmcewan9145 It may well be to do with architecture but it's worth noting that the PS5 SOC happily runs 8 DDR6 memory chips. And I do agree with your comment on CPU's, we've moved to the odd position where Intel are delivering the goods in the "budget" sector right now with some great performance in their i3 100 and i5 400&600 chips, as far as CPUs go I can't remember a time when we've been better served, maybe back in the 90s when Athlon and 64 bit Athlon chips shook up the market? Even then if we went back and tried to tell ourselves about the levels of performance we have easily available now we might not believe ourselves.
@@darthwiizius 🤦 a console is not the same as a PC. You can't compare the two sets of hardware like that. The GPU and CPU are limited to what they can do in a console graphics wise.
only if that card was available in some countries. in mine it sells for more than 270+ dollars. people are actually over exaggerating on the fact that its previous version was cheaper and better. im telling u now show me a rx 5600 xt in 200 dollars. fuck it even 2060 is being sold at 300+ dollars. and this trend is not stopping any time now. its like those years when buying ram was like buying a diamond
I really liked your point that budget gamers don't really play at ultra settings. They just need budget card. And luckily in my country it is available around MSRP (200-220). I was waiting for a card just to play some games don't mind medium or high. 3050 is around 500 here so if 3050 doesn't go below 400, then I'll buy that 6500xt for the time being. ( I'm not a hardcore gamer but a casual gamer). Thanks for your honest review.
@Randy Names the point of this card is to make gaming possible for everyone who is waitung on a possibility to fibish their systems lol. Its a nice priced card for our Situation right now. A card you can play on medium to high settings on a budget System. You should rewatch the Video if you missed it.
my honest opinion (I am looking to build a new medium budget pc .. 1300 - 1500$), this card will gather dust on the shelves of any retailer who will sell over MSRP... it barely deserves the 200$ price tag, paying 350 - 400$ for it it's crazy to me, especially since there should be no miners buying it to inflate prices, this time, if it does go 50 or 100% over MSRP it's strictly because of retailers.
There are stupid models of 6500XT that charges $349. But you can easily find cheaper models that is $260, or sometimes at $200. I think if someone can get it for ~$200. It is acceptable for a budget build.
What? Delivering a new card that performs worse than 6 year older cards, 3 generations removed with stripped down encoding for a 300$ street price is a GOOD thing? You are out of your mind pal!
What does that matter if you can't actually buy an RTX 3050? Why base opinions on cards' values on theoretical releases that realistically can't actually be had anyways? You can get a 6500XT because it sucks for mining. That's pretty important. And in this fantasy land where the 3050's available, what do you think the market value's going to actually be? $350? $450? $550? Probably $550. And I bet this will be comparable in performance.
Brought this for my sons pc as there is nothing on the market for £199 (what I paid) and it will play almost all games at over 60fps at high setting and 1080P.. he only has a 60hz monitor so paying over £400 for rx6600 is not worth it, and it looks as though the 3050’s are going to be £300-£400 in the UK.. so it’s the only option at the moment for a cheap build.. btw I have a rx6600 and I’m very happy with it on a 1440P monitor.
Even though I have my own opinions on the card by *It doesn't have to be cutting edge* I can't blame you for stating the good sides of the card ie: Placeholder or for someone who just wants to finish their gaming PC. But as an alternative If you are weary by the limitations your probably better off getting a 1650 super or a Rx 5500xt
"If you are weary by the limitations your probably better off getting a 1650 super or a Rx 5500xt" Of course, but getting a GTX 1650 Super or RX 5500 XT in good condition at a similar price to an RX 6500 XT is easier said than done.
I get the point that it's a budget graphics card, but for me, there is a difference between Budget and entry level, a budget PC is not a super powerful machine, but also isn't a cheap machine that barely runs games from 8 years ago, a Budget PC is a machine with reasonable price that's able to perform well not just today, but a few years ahead, no one has money to pay 200 Dollars on graphics card today that in 6 months will need to upgraded wasting 350+ again, most people are still using gen 3 pcie, and for them to upgrade it just to be able to use the maximum power of that card is more expensive than the card it self, a graphics card that can't even use it's resources, why this card has Ray accelerator if it can't run ray tracing? Wouldn't be better to not use ray accelerators that just make it more expensive and increase the PCIe connection?
The 6500XT can play AC : Valhalla ...the bottom line is for under 300.00 bucks you can't be too picky. Unless you're willing to spend 600.00 - 900.00 bucks right up front you're going to be doing small upgrades over time regardless. I sold a Radeon 5700 8GB for almost $900.00. The question is when do you decide to enter the game and at what price point....then when do you decide to upgrade. The 6 month timeline is actually smart because 4GB cards are going to start to decline in value sooner rather than later. 6500XT is a safe purchase but I wouldn't hang on to it for longer than 6 months probably. Newer cards are easier to resell especially when you have the retail box and everything. A 6500XT will be easier to resell 6 months from now than some dude trying to sell some 8 year old card that looks beat up and doesn't come with any of the retail packaging.
Not a PC gamer, use my computer to design with 3D programs and some animation work using After Effects. My old graphics card died a few months ago and while I don't mind spending $600+ on a new GPU I've gone and ordered one of these to tick me over for the next 6-12 months while the prices drop again on the higher end cards, letting my budget go further. I think a lot of other people will be buying this for exactly the same reason, a temporary affordable card that fills a hole for the time being.
And yes they selling this in my country for 370$ with just the lowest chinese tier card like manli, palit, inno3d. Want a sapphire, gigabyte, asus, msi? Yes 400$ please they say
For $350 I rather buy a Xbox Series S with 3 months of Gamepass Ultimate as its super easy to find at MSRP. The 6500xt is a curious oddity and the Power Color version meant for ITX cases (single cooling fan version) is interesting if it can be bought for MSRP at $199. However once you hit the $300 mark it's just not a good value proposition.
The reason why the 6500 XT has only two display outs are due to it being a laptop part put into a desktop card. The other limitations might also come from it being a laptop part as well. If the product wasn't priced at $269 and came out at $150, it might have been fine. I do think AMD does deserve all the thrashing they are getting right now though. It just isn't a $200 card. The OEM 5300 part beats it and that thing is a few years old.
First review I saw with some fps results in Apex legends , Call of duty Vanguard/warzone and Helo infinity(the only 3 games I play on pc) with my 950 oc edition still..I must say the card don't disappoint me..110fps on high settings and 1080p in apex would be around 140fps on competitive settings that's not bad for a card of that price . Specially if you know I reach only between 50 and 70 fps on my gtx950oc.. Warzone/vanguard , a nice 80fps isn't to bad and helo above 60 is the less but still a decent playable fps , I can't even run hello with my 2gb card right now, so for me personally with the high prices on the market I think it would be a nice upgrade till the prices go down a bit again..
If all you got is a Ryzen APU then the 6500 XT is going to be a big jump in performance. The card is only an upgrade if you had no GFX card to begin with.
6500XT doing 63 FPS on Forza Horizon where my old RX 570 does in between 75-85 fps most of the time........Im not so sure on this 6500XT.......We get you Zach,about the fact that we need more budget cards.....but still.... 300 cojones is 300 cojones,this card ain't worth that
@@ZachsTechTurf 62 FPS in Benchmark mode,you were right. I still feel like this GPU should be around 170 MSRP. If you can grab a hold of a 570 or 580 and do a comparison :) would love to see it
budget is not getting a card for 250 dollar with similar performance to a 5 years old card. no matter how you try to justify it, this card is worth 150 dollars, 165 to be fair. people should not buy anything right now.
I was looking to upgrade my rx 560 2G with a 1650 non super. This is a valid option for me especially since its much faster than, and the same price as the 1650 in my country. What hurts is that if these were normal times, this carf would've been $100
this card would've not been 100$ because it would have been much more different in a normal market. It would've been a desktop card made for desktops rather than a laptop card made for desktops.
If you happen to have a Ryzen 3100, 3300x (if you were the in the 100 worldwide to get a 3300x), 3600 which supoprt PCIe Gen 4, you can build a cheap system. B520 board currently on Amazon Warehouse for £45 with PCIe 4. £35 8gb DDR4 3000, £40 Corsair 500w bronze PSU, £42 500gb NVME, £50 case, £35 1TB HDD. RX 6500XT for £199 from Overclockers at the moment. £247 + CPU (getting a CPU is the problem at the moment). Although if you have an existing 3100, 3600 etc system without a reasonable graphics card, consider just getting a B520/B550 for £45-60 to replace your existing motherboard and an RX6500XT for £199. That adds up to around £250 for the graphics card which will be on a par with a new 500XT or 1650 Super both typically going for over £400. Maybe you can sell your old motherboard and make some of that back. This card sucks as does the whole market, but for some lucky people with Gen 4 capability - it is by far the best (only) new option for budget 1080p gaming keeping texture quality down a notch.
I built a PC with my 10yo daughter a few months back. We but in an ancient GT730. The 6500XT is available, and I don't have to mortgage my house to put a GPU in my kids PC so she can play Minecraft and the Sims 4. Solid. 👍 Thanks Zack for not being a precious, pretentious jerk like those other RUclipsrs ...
Bought one for cheap. Brand new, does what I need it to. That is all. Warranty is great. Mostly play older games, so it's beefy enough. Not super though.
The biggest problem I have with this card is that it will have no resell value so even if I get it at $350 I cant say its money I'll recover and get something better when the gpu market goes back to normal.
I needed a card that can run a 1080p desktop and play current games at 30 fps and I don't want to spend $500+ and my MB doesn't support PCIE Gen4 This card is perfect for me.
Excellent take, finally a reviewer that isn't nerd raging and actually understanding the current situation and what this GPU is about. Not everyone can afford a RTX 3060 for 600 bucks or RX 6600 for at least 550. This is the GPU for people that want a NEW card that costs less than 400 bucks. There is zero competition for this GPU right now, buying used isn't what everyone wants to do, far from it actually. The RTX 3050 with 8 GB will also be very expensive and cost way more than this, miners will like it too much but they DON'T like this card, mission accomplished.
@Goukenn Gaming senseless comparisons to old GPUs are worthless if you don't even own a GPU. I wish people would start living in the here and now and stop their moot comparisons. Sorry it's not 2016, wake up. Countless people will buy this for their new PC.
These are already available for $270 easily (just checked). It’s not the most hideous thing to buy at that. At $199 it is a smarter move than a used 1050 ti or something at that same price on eBay. If these dip to $199 I’ll begrudgingly buy one. Peeps complain but nothing from Nvidia can even be had for under $500.
Uhm, your price analysis is way off. The 6500XT is the same performance as a GTX 1650 Super or a regular GTX 1660, those cards sell for over 300.00, used. The 6500XT is in fact, the better deal in the $250.00 - $350.00 range. The Gigabyte 6500XT is only $260.00 at Best Buy. The 6500XT is far more powerful than the 1050 ti that's why it is worth more than a 200.00 1050 ti.
So basicly you say it's fine because it is cheap? It's the most expensive card in the 200-700 € range ( retail) in perspective on cost per frame. Why would you call that great? If i sell you a "budget" card for 50 bucks, but it can only run 10 fps would you still call that good ? Or what people have needed in this market ? Alot of people are waiting on a Upgrade in the budget market. But amd managed to Release a card wich gets demolished by budget Tier cards Form the last 3-5years and is still more expensive. But that is expected behaviour of some RUclipsr. Comin in like " jada jada jada , i want to have a controversial opinion, because of clicks jada jada jada, i dont care that literally everyone and thier mum came to a different conclusion "
In my country the only card you can buy for $200 is a 1050 ti. A 1650 is $280. 5500 xt and 1650 super are nowhere in stock. Let me ask you, if you really had to choose and both this and a 1050 ti were in stock for $200 which would you buy?
@@flushfire your doesn't matter, since it is not possible in this market. if a had to choose and would not already have one , i'd buy a 3080 for 700 bucks
@@flushfire even for 200 bucks on pcie 3.0 this is one of the most expensive cards on cost per frame . So no, you should not buy it. The 1050ti is literally the only card which is worse. Anything in else is better value. Specially on the used market. Also he benchmarked the 6500xt against the 6600 wich was terrible value to begin with . Everything he did was to make the card Look good to be able to have a different oppinion on the topic for clicks. the reason why i did not answer your question is, because we dont live in fantasyland and there is no 6500xt at 200 bucks to begin with.
@@Amarushaya92 🤦 I would get the 3080 to. Point is not everyone does those builds. I have a high end PC 6700xt and Ryzen 7 3700x. No I would not buy the 6500xt. But if I was doing a budget build with a Ryzen 3 or an i3 yeah I would buy it.
Another hot take: most of the people who get this card will get it as part of a new pre-built, which is likely to support pcie 4. Adding to the "new" aspect, we can expect driver updates for longer than the RX580. Is this a good launch? No, but I don't think it's a awful as reviews have suggested. I wish they shaved off some wattage to make it work on bus power alone.
It's very hard to swallow this pill, this card is the new normal entry level, but only if they can really inundate the market and keep up with demand fast enough to send the message to scalpers that people will not need to buy their shit.
disagree, a lot of the people getting this card have old systems/cards (gtx 950, gtx 770, etc) that only support pcie gen 3 and just want to upgrade their gpu because it's been so long since gpu prices have been normal
As a person who used it for more than a year now this is the best card if you want to start your budget build and personally I bought it because I don't have a penny left to buy a decent gpu to finish my build so I got the 6500xt and hopefully this year I'll upgrade it to a 6900xt or maybe higher,this card helped me in every task even video editing because I was using Intel processor with it as for now it costs around $150 so you may also get it to finish your build.
@@redmibaabu1958 me too man. I am waiting for GPUs from many months .. 2400g preety runs every game but it needs more vram for latest games like forza 5.. but prices for 6500zt which perform is lower than 1650 is 300$+
You are just wrong. It's currently availableble for 300$ at Overclockes UK. That is a terrible value! It is sometimes worse than an rx 570! And people should really wait for the situation to get better. This card is only existing due to the shortage. AMD is just putting a laptop gpu on a Pcie card, and pushing the power limit higher. And the proof for that is the 4x Pcie connectivity, the 6nm proocess node and only two display outputs.
In my country "techies" were advising people not to buy a $290 2060 when the 30 series was about to come out. They said wait. When the 30 series came out they said the cards were overpriced because they were new, they also said wait. 2 years later the 2060 is $560. When the 6600 xt came out here it was $500. When I saw rumors about the non xt version I waited for it. The 6600 xt is now $640 here, and the 6600 $560. If I see this card at $300 I will no longer wait.
Your statement will have some point if this card was 139$ at best MSRP but it is 199$ and marked as 6500xt which are false marked because everyone will think it is above 5500xt and its not and its way below of gtx 1650super which are 159$ MSRP in most of games
This is the Mitsubishi Mirage of GPUs. Now imagine some stupids (like a whole lot of the commenters) who would look at said car and cry that it doesn't have heated seats or an audiophile-level sound system.
I just got the RX 6500XT and have a Ryzen 5 5500 CPU and I love it. Price is great, around $180 at Best Buy right now. Currently playing Calisto Protocol at mix of Med/High setttings with 40-50 FPS. Fortnite stays around 165FPS with similar settings same with MW2. Cyberpunk 2077 I have on medium settings and it's around 40FPS. Very happy with this card for the price.
People will buy this card because it is available. It will by design drive the outrageous prices down because the average gamer and low budget pc owner will be gaming on this and not give up the rent payment to some scalper.
I'm happy amd is making low end gpus again, but this thing is $200. I wish they'd just use gddr5 and made it more compatible with old processors at an msrp of $150-180.
This card is available for $270 or less. The RTX 3050 is selling for about $600 or unavailable. So by all means, get the 3050 for its extra features. 😆 The RX 6600 is far better than either and costs less than the 3050 and is in stock.
I like the 6500XT because it's f'ing with the resellers. It's the same performance, or better, as 5 different cards that sell for over $260.00 used, but you can buy a 6500XT brand new for $260.00... and that's what some peope are pissed about, especially nvidia resellers. 6600 is good i can't spend that much on an upgrade right now tho
They're MSRP is just $50 apart so I do think they do compare, also having same launch price as a 5 year old graphics card while not being able to completely beat it isn't a good sign, regardless of what's going on in the market, buying this isn't a good buy at all, better of waiting and seeing what the Nvidia is about and get that instead
I agree with you. I was able to go buy two of them. One for 199 usd and the other for 279 usd. I bought them for my kids who have 750ti's currently. This will be a huge upgrade for them. I'll try to get 3050s for MSRP if possible but not holding my breath 😂
I got one for $199 to replace my sons 2gb gtx950. Im fine with buying used stuff but honestly I didn’t see anything on the used market for around that price point that was very interesting.
Come from the future with these cards selling for about $180 from online retailers such as Amazon. My one complaint with this card and the reason I ended up buying a 6600 instead is VR. Seems I am forever awaiting the day where I can spend $1,000 on my VR setup and have it be complete
Pci express x4.0 for budget gaming players (when the majority has x3.0) with no video encoders is a no-no for me is better to stay with my 960 4gb (3770k) or if the prices are "ok" waiting for reasonable affordable rdna 2 apu and latter buying gpu.If you don't have pc at all 5600g-5700g is the best bet temporary solution for all including myself.
RX 6500 XT is literally at msrp in my country (215e). And I will probably buy it. I still have gtx 760 2gb so it will be a good upgrade and also the cheapest one from the budget cards atm. Yes 3050 would be a perfect fit for me but it costs 550e so it is no brainer which to buy, to at least wait for prices to normalize and still have something to game on while doing so.
I've been excited about the RX 6500 XT for weeks now. Going to try and snag it on Either Amazon or Best Buy (I checked both and Best Buy sold out, Amazon, nothing came up. Maybe in an hour or two, they'll get stock.) Not paying too much more that $200 for it (if I can find an outstanding deal before it sells out in 2 seconds). People have just been hating on it and for the reasons you mentioned, but for me, I think it would work perfectly! Maybe pair it with something like an i3 10100F (unless AMD lowers their prices for Zen 2 and 3), even thought Comet Lake doesn't support PCIe 4.0.
the thing about companies like nvidia and amd that really makes me mad is dropping support for still not too bad cards during this time where prices are extreme. an r9 fury x gets 20 fps in halo infinite without modded drivers. and getting modded drivers on older cards may cause problems with anti cheat software in some games. there is still so much performance in unsupported cards but they drop support allthough no one is able to get a new card. and then they're giving us something like an rx 6500XT.
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The graphics card cost 650
300eur in EU i have red devil rx6600xt /750eur/ and 6900xt /1700eur/ XDDDD
ppl that say rx580 is better forget that 6500xt is litle over entry level card and rx580 was almost top of the line , yes it cost more now but the prices are not what use to be sooo this the new entry level price point for gaming just accept it XD and yes this is new card with warranty not some old gpu that may die any moment
Is 1650 worse than 6500
Thanks for the review, I was thinking of putting one in my daughters PC which currently has a 2200g with intergrated graphics. All other reviewers saying it’s not got this or that but it has to be better than the 2200g right?
If you don't plan on streaming/broadcasting games there's nothing wrong with this GPU at MSRP. Believe it or not some of us don't dream of making it big as a twitch streamer.
Oh 2 years later it’s bad
Really?@@Turnip7917
@@MrJarvisful yes many modern games like elden ring, helldivers, dead space remake, etc. you can either not even run on power graphics or are restricted to lower than low graphics I have upgraded since and its been amazing
there is the 6500 xt 8GB Version btw for like 10$ more
@@Fostog yeah that ones a good budget got but don’t even think abt the 4 gb that’s the one I had is the 4 gb
In my country the RTX 3050 sells for almost twice the price of 6500XT
This is a great option for budget gamers but i do feel AMD skimped A LOT more than necessary
Like having pcieX4 instead of X8 or X16
The problem with this approach is that you can no longer use an old platform if you want to use the full potential of the card
Which make it a card that's meant for budget builds but in order to use the full potential of the card you have to buy newer platform which doesn't fit well with the "budget GPU" claims of this card
I am almost certain they did this so the price of the card wouldn't sky rocket
We are still using Pcie x16 slot for the gpu but preferably on the newer Pcie 4.0 port. You may encounter fps drop using an old Pcie 3.0 port i.e our older existing mobo's Pcie.
To me the rtx 3050 is around to 400€ and Rx6500xt 200€
@@ianlingam281 It's not even a huge deal. In most games the rx 6500 xt on pcie 3.0 performs better than a 1650 gddr6.
In Italy RX 6500 cost 1/4 of 3050 lol
Basically coming from something like a GTX 1050 ti or a GTX 750 ti and with a very small budget the RX 6500 XT at MSRP is a viable option for lots of people. It's way better than a GTX 1050 ti and doesn't even cost as much as a second hand GTX 1650 super. It's still available at MSRP and comes with a 3 year warranty unlike any second hand card you buy. All the better off people who can afford to spend £300 - £500 or more on a GPU good luck to them but lots of people can't afford it and this card is an option for them.
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The 6500XT is not a great option at all, the 4x pcie lanes severely limit performance on pcie 3.0, which is what most people have who are shopping at this pricepoint. Pcie 4.0 is only on newer mobos which are often half the cost of this GPU.
@@arcticowl1091i agree, imo rx5500xt is a better option, you get almost the amount of performance with double the vram, albeit it's just a tad bit expensive in my country, but still a better option than 6500xt
this gpu sucks, the gtx 1060 is faster than this- why are we defending this gpu??
We wanted a budget graphics card with the same features as a GPU that was launched in the past 5 years. Cutting out h264, h265 and AV1 video encode and AV1 decode was a big mistake.
It seems it can encode 1080 and possibly 1440o h264. But has to be confirmed, tested. The AMD website only says it can not do 4K h264.
Edit: no, the AMD website is just weird.
Av1 is only decode on higher tier cards and only on rx 6000 and rtx 3000 series.
As much as you think people use encode. Alot of people dont.
@@eazen no encoding capability whatsoever, only decode
they didn't cut it per se, it was made without it because it's laptop GPU repurposed for desktop. Why have h264 encoding when APU next to it has it? Same reason why it is 4 lanes because APU next to it has pcie 4
@Peter Vansan the main reason is energy savings and more lanes for other things. If the GPU only uses 4, you can use the remainder for other things.
I picked up the Sapphire Pulse 6500xt yesterday for $199. It will serve it's purpose in my parents' prebuilt pc. They don't game hardly at all, but if my son is visiting and he wants to do some light gaming on some less demanding titles, then he'll have that option.
They don't make a Nitro version of the 6500XT
@@dokkstigvel8944 you're right. I meant Pulse. Didn't even notice that I typed nitro. Thanks for correcting.
I like and respect Zach very, very much. That being said, I don't think I could disagree any more strongly.
I do NOT lay any of the blame on Zach regarding any part of the craziness that has taken over the entire GPU market in the last couple of years, but I do think that opinions like his may be propagating, and even proving the effectiveness of, an enormous marketing push across the entire market to gaslight the average consumer into expecting that they should have to pay way more money for way less performance than what current gen tech is able to deliver.
I think it's somewhat dangerous, on the consumer level, once we get to the point where we look at what the 6500XT is and how it performs (as well as any other card to come out in the last two year compared to its market price) and we begin to accept that as 'normal' and as 'just the way it is'.
People with enough disposable income that buying the newest or biggest of everything is easy for them is one thing, but the boom in crypto prices is the exception, not the rule. That and all of the other supply/demand variables that have come into play to create the perfect storm for GPU pricing. Those values as well as the GPU prices that go up and down along with them as long as there are suckers who continue buying in, will ALWAYS rise and fall as long as GPUs are able to mine with. But if GPU manufacturers/distributors truly have their way, they will convince as many people as possible that less performance for more money is how it's 'supposed to be'. That way they can just drive prices way up on ALL GPUs, ALL of the time and make those huge, inflated profits ALL of the time and not just when crypto is up and there are new cards released
Well said! One only needs to look at the RECORD profits at AMD and Nvidia to understand how we are being manipulated right now!
Exactly a perfect example of this is intel before ryzen showed up
Problem is, the boom in crypto prices has lasted for 2 years now, which is a long time in tech-speak. At some point it isn't an exception any more.
From my take, Zach is just giving his current take of the card in the current market right now, not the future. His points are valid. People are buying the GT 710s and 1030s. People have the option to buy or not. AMD and NVIDIA both know that at some point the crypto bubble using gpus will burst and the supply of cards will flood the market. Their sales will go down and prices adjust. Of course inflation could get worse and none of this will matter because you can't afford anything. Got to remember it is all relative.
The crypto boom has been going for a long time and who knows when it'll stop, gpu prices are trending upwards inevitably for the foreseeable future. This is the way things are for now. 🤷♂️
I agree that I don’t think this card will be as inflated in pricing as the 3050, so it will definitely be the best option for budget gamers that aren’t wanting to test the used market. However, the same thing that limits its mining potential is the one that is going to limit its gaming potential, even at 1080p, as shown by the CoD benchmarks; the 4gb of VRAM. If they added even just 2gb more, that helps with performance so much, but then again it becomes more valuable for mining and thus would be inflated more. I think for $200 it’s a fine new purchase, but anything more than $250 and I don’t think it’s worth it.
Yep, definitely some downfalls of this card, absolutely.
So correct me if I'm wrong, at $300, you'd go with a used rx580 as a better alternative? Maybe a Bstock 2060? Obviously if you were willing to go used and not creating content.
@@hardwaredynasty Personally i would go for a 1070, not hard to find at that $300 price point used.
IT's just a rx580 with RNDA 2 technology basically, for people who dont wanna risk on a used card like a rx580, and old technology.
the 1650 Super is 4gb and kills this card, everyone takes too much stock in V-ram. most weaker cards can not use it effectively
If your argument really hinges on "It's better than a used RX580 because WARRANTY!" then maybe your contacts might be a bit too rose-tinted. At MSRP, it was a fair enough deal but at the inflated prices I've been seeing just save up and get the 6600...at least then you won't be trying to unload a card that has no value in 4-6 months to upgrade again. It's e-waste.
I'll choose 6600 over 6500 any day of the week, if I can't afford higher than 6600.
Zach likes this cus it's cheap and he can charge a mark up when selling his builds with it let's be real
this is 270 at newegg..... the 6600 is whatever the ebay seller says it is
Scalper gonna scalp...if that's your only option then my sympathies. I can go to my local Micro Center and grab a 6500xt for ~$260-300 or a 6600 for ~$470-500. Oddly enough, local MC shows they've got some RX560s in stock for under $200, which is still probably a better buy than this.
What inflated prices? Both $200 models of the 6500 XT were available on newegg today. Maybe for every other graphics card you can only get them off of ebay if you didn't buy one the exact second it was released, but this card is being restocked at retailers without marking up the price.
I am running currently on a i7 4790 CPU with 16 GB of RAM and I think this RX 6500XT seems to be a best budget option in India as in the Price range of Rs. 10k - 13k, I am hardly able to find a card like this online. For temporary solutions, this card would be a better option than going for a 1650 Low Profile one.
Well, 8 months later the card is still a viable choice.
I just bought 10 off AMZ to build a 10 station computer lab for a private residential community, for $170/ea..
For casual use they are great, but still have enough performance to bang out modern game titles and stream at 1080p.
This is actually ideal to pair with a AMD G series cpu because it has the gpu with encoders onboard. Also, I got mine second hand around €90.
That’s a great price, I would get that for a budget build
i totally agree same case here i had a 2018 prebuild with a ryzen 3 2200g and i put in the 6500xt and had a blast
Just because it's available doesn't mean you should buy it, the gpu it's replacing (5500xt) is better in everyway.
This seems more like a paid video than saying how it really is
So then if a person finds a 5500XT at the same price, they should get the 5500XT... but how much more will the 5500XT really cost?
And good luck getting the 5500xt at $250 US
@@K1ngDrako I certainly wouldn't put it past AMD to pay him to say good things about the card.
@@HondoJarrus I mean good luck getting the 6500xt for 250 usd too lol, only reason you might find it at this price point is because its total garbage and not many people will buy it. As for the 5500xt, there are some listings on ebay starting from 250 usd bid and 350 usd buyout, so its not impossible.
Yes, it's the budget card that people have been asking for. However, it is worth it tho? I'd say no. At 200 USD that AMD claimed to be MSRP initially, yes.. But at 300-350 USD, it's a hard pass for me. I'd rather save some more money and buy a better one
It is 200 tho
there were actually consumer end cards for 199 dollars, and they were in stock for a little bit, but they are now out of stock
Them blame ASUS, MSI, Powercolor, etc for that one.
Literally bought one this morning for 199
See them selling in Russia with MSRP +5% maybe price. Since all other stuff cost way higher (even 1050ti was priced 30% higher) I think this is pretty much great deal.
And that's why it was sold rly fast.
I got an RX 6500XT and honestly I'm actually glad. I had a GT 1030 (2020 revision) and it was super crap. My rig can run the x264 encoder for streaming off of the cpu with no issues, so that's also not a big deal, and the 3D renders I need for work come out super fast with really high resolution
And for gaming, it handled everything I want at 144fps
So yeah, the rx is not a bad card, even if it is PCi x8, it's pretty good with thise 2.8GHz of clock speed
Summarizing, i recommend the RX 6500XT for those who need a newer card. It's not the best but it does it's job very well + it's not as expensive since "no one" wants it.
Same people see this card and think bad of it I have the RX 6500 XT pcie 4 and u run good graphics on apex, Val, fn, cod and they all run amazing in terms of fps and graphics video recording is smooth but definitely get pcie4 if ur going to get the card
Wait does it work with Cycles in Blender 3.1?
@@7Dope what’s your pc build? Sorry I want to build my own pc and I want to start with this graphics card. I herd it’s bad and it’s good and idk what to do lmao
what’s your pc build? Sorry I want to build my own pc and I want to start with this graphics card. I herd it’s bad and it’s good and idk what to do lmao
@@xzoner1x955 look my build is a Ryzen 5 5600x RX 6500 xt 1 TB SSD and a b550-f wifi gaming motherboard but j suggest save some money because 8 GB gpus are going to go down in price since the 40 series are coming out
Dude I straight up agree, it beats a regular 1650 sometimes still on PCIe 3.0, and pretty much everyone has a video out there HATING on this GPU. It's way better than an A380 and at least your getting a new GPU. The fact it's under $150 right now to is straight value man.
ordered one for $199 off Newegg today sold and shipped by Newegg and I sold my 1650 4 gig on ebay last year for $300 and this card is on par with a 1660 in performance so yes for a actual $200 card you can buy today that in allot of games beat my 1070 8 gig at 1080p AMD did awesome and i am already seeing other cards drop in price because of it like the 1660s and such (this is a budget gaming only card )
I think the RX 6500XT is more for the budget gamer, those that aren't willing to go onto the used GPU market. I bought the RX 570 8GB card back in 2019 because it was the best bang for the buck card I could find brand new locally at the time, and so far it's been a real workhorse for me. It's held up well over the last couple of years in my Linux build, and with proper TLC it's going to last me long enough to save up for a new PC build. I'm going to keep my current rig, the only reason I'd get this new card is if my current GPU broke.
I bought this on sale and it’s literally just for me to game on and upgrade from my rx460 I needed something a bit better this answered my prayers one day once I’m out of college and not on such a tight budget I’ll get a high end card but right now this is perfect just for a year or two till I have better cash for a good build this is a budget card yet everyone hates it for being a budget card it makes no sense.
exactly, this GPU isn't worth the money...
Problem is that the market its targeting are mostly people with pcie 3.0 boards which greatly hinders its performance
No one fully informed about tech and in their right mind would buy this over an Rx 480 at 100 - 200 dollars. Hell, it was 75 dollars at one point.
@@anon2036 Why would someone in their right mind pay 200 for a piece of tech that has been used for 6 years?
While it always great to see a content creator go against the crowd and challenge pre-conception. This is a bad take, the fact that a card in the same performance group released 5 years ago can go blow for blow in performance (and win in features out of the box) with a card released in 2022 is a literal joke.
It’s market exploitation at its most egregious. As we all know MSRP is a fairytale, so this will go for even more and AMD knows it. Compare the price it will actually go for vs the price the RX 580 went for when it released and you have a clearer picture of how AMD, NVIDIA, Intel will always choose to exploit the market whenever the opportunity presents itself. Buying this card shows them that we’re happy with them doing that, and this will encourage them to do whatever they can to make sure this market state stays the same (similar story for diamonds, it’s all forced artificial scarcity).
You should never recommend such a product or suggest for people to settle for so little, if they do, this “scarcity” will continue for a decade or more
it isnt 5 years ago . time marches forward . prices have changed . they are not going back . if you want a card that blows away 2018 cards open your wallet. your not going to get it for 200$ .
@@AlistairMaxwell77 I understand that, but because the market is messed up doesn’t mean we should support it. I understand why some people might go for this card, but the reviewer framing it as a “good” card is the worst take I’ve seen during this shortage
@@teeboh99 Sadly the days of getting a 'decent' card for $200 new are likely over, support it or not.
@@teeboh99 its not "the market" . the global economy has entered an inflationary cycle . everything is going up will not go back down . inflation will compound year upon year until the cycle is finished . I can complain I can't get a Toyota for what they cost in 2019 and "not support it" , but sooner or later I will need to buy another car . mining will take the sting out of some of the pricing of some of the cards , but your going to pay probably twice as much for high demand consumer electronics as you did before the start of this cycle . the time of 100-150 gpu's for this level card will never return .
still got batches on and off at msrp in US and in au and nz 6500xt are still available at msrp, so ur take pretending this msrp is like nvidia is just wrong
Thanks for the good video..
A lot of these negative comments didn't age well.. it's 5 months later and prices are still crazy for a budget PC build GPU imo.. Here is my story lol
I came from am3 with a
AMD Phenom 2 x3 720 2.8GHz
8GB ddr3
XFX r9 285 2GB
650 PSU..
Getting very bad FPS and even World of Warcraft was hard to run and decent settings.. I play all kinds of games btw..
sooo for $400 back in Feb 2022 I got,
asrock b450 Mobo $75
Ryzen 3 3100 3.6GHz $190 in Feb 2022, (I know I way overpaid, I wanted a 3300x but was sold out or more than the entire build.)
T-Force Delta (2x8) 16gb ddr4 3200 RGB (out of box) $65
and picked up a case for $50 (mine was an old tower from a business that was crap)
Prices are rounded but it came out to $400 on newegg...
pcie4 btw..
My first time doing a fresh build instead of hand me down parts.. Mobo's GPUs CPUs etc
Game changer with the Ryzen but now I am limited by the 2gb r9 285.. It was a good mid range card back in the day but now it lacks vram and gets way hot and a rx 6500 xt will fix all that.
This dated GPU is a bottleneck now and I was hesitant to get the 6500 because of the 64 bit coming from 256 bit..
Hate to admit it but to save money I was looking at the 6400 lol but don't tell nobody..
So I picked one (ASRock Phantom Gaming D Radeon RX 6500 XT PCI Express 4.0)up on newegg for $200 with tax but it also came with 3 games they said valued at $180 - saints row 2022, Forespoken, and sniper elite..
It is going to be a huge upgrade even with the limits so I am looking forward to getting it in and checking it out..
That's all I have to say about that..
The problem with this card is that for the same price and 5 years ago you could get the same performance. The card it's replacing in the 5500XT is better and offered 8GB of Vram. Luckily I'm not in the market for any new pc parts as I bought mine at the very last time msrp existed in late 2020.
Its worse...my Series S has more CU's (20 vs 16) and I can get a WHOLE console that will last 6/7 years for the retail price of what this card will sell for...Really this card is for the desperate or people with dying GPU's as a replacement. Luckily for me I retro RTS game on my i5 3470 so I can cope with onboard GPU for that.
@@brokeandtired consoles have always been cheaper per price, that is no surprise
5 years ago was a different time..
actually this card is selling for $199 on Newegg just bought one and already seeing other cards sold by scalpers going down ....dose not look purity but I think it was a good move for AMD and budget gamers on a tight budget and for getting young kids up and running at 1080p when before they were stuck with IGPU
It's not 5 years ago. I could also get a better car for less money 5 years ago. I could buy a much bigger house for the same money 5 years ago. I don't like it either, but it's a different world.
For me buying this card made sense. I am building my first ever pc so there is no card to upgrade from. Also my build is pcie 4.0. I bought it for 235 euro. So near msrp. The gtx 1650 cost the same in my country for less performance so that wasn't really a dilemma. On top of that, I will be playing mostly titles released during 2020 and back, because I skipped the ps4 game generation. And my monitor is 1080p 60fps. I plan to keep this card for a couple of years and then upgrade to something better. It is a fine substitute while I wait for the gpu market to come to its senses, when at the same time I have fun playing games.
this 100%
I came from am3 with a
AMD Phenom 2 x3 720 2.8GHz
8GB ddr3
XFX r9 285 2GB
650 PSU..
sooo for $400 back in Feb I got,
asrock b450 Mobo $75
Ryzen 3 3100 3.6GHz $190 in Feb 2022, I know I way overpaid, I wanted a 3300x but was sold out or more than the entire build.
Delta (2x8) 16gb ddr4 3200 RGB (out of box) $65
and picked up a case for $50 (mine was an old tower from a business that was crap)
Prices are rounded but it came out to $400 on newegg...
pcie4 btw..
My first time doing a fresh build instead of handme downs..
Game changer but now I am limited by the 2gb r9 285.. It was a good mid range card back in the day but now it lacks vram and gets way hot and a rx 6500 xt will fix all that.
This dated GPU is a bottleneck now and I was hesitant to get the 6500 because of the 64 bit coming from 256 bit..
Hate to admit it but to save money I was looking at the 6400 lol but don't tell nobody..
So I picked one (ASRock Phantom Gaming D Radeon RX 6500 XT PCI Express 4.0)up on newegg for $200 with tax but it also came with 3 games they said valued at $180 - saints row 2022, Forespoken, and sniper elite..
It is going to be a huge upgrade even with the limits so I am looking forward to getting it in and checking it out..
You've made no compelling argument as to why everybody else is wrong. This and the GDDR4 GT 1030 is AMD/Nvidia testing the waters at anti-consumer business practices.
Did we watch the same video? he made many good points like : its the cheapest thing available, its in stock, its only $200, you cant even buy a 5 year old card for this cost, it uses 1/2 the power of rx580. its gen 3 speed is not as bad as its made out to be.
@@shadow1021 In Europe the price is above 300 €.
@@shadow1021 $200 in the fantasy land.
@@NibosshiYuu I bought 5 for $255 tax and shipping included.
@JustGamer at the time of this video 1070's we're over 300 in some cases.
Im from Costa Rica and I bought this card for around $300. I Played in high settings 1080p 55 to 60fps Cyberpunk, Elden Ring, Dirt Rally, Deus Ex mankind divided, The Witcher 3 etc. In case I want to record my gameplay I use OBS. I have core i3 12100f, 16gig RAM and a couple of SSDs. It runs smooth any game in high settings.
es verdad que hay un problema con la rx 6500 xt en juegos como League of legends? saludos
@@jesra8405 nunca he jugado league of legends pero no creo que tenga ningún problema y si lo tiene debe ser algo del juego porque la tarjeta va excelente.
@@anghell1823 gracias por responder, es que en los pocos videos que encontré por aquí, mostraban perdida de fps, lag, cosas así, en LoL, en fin, muchas gracias por responder
Does is have any fps drops ??? What is fps drop % and have you played any other high end games like battlefield ? I'm trying to buy this card it's on sale
It's not worth anymore than $150, yet here we are. There are far more negatives to this card than positives.
It's worse at doing what it needs to do than cards from 2 or even 3 generations ago.
more like $130
Considering it struggles to match $200 cards from years ago I'd barely even call it $150. It simply shouldn't exist and they should have continued making 5xxx cards.
more like $10
unfortunately I've seen gt1030 go for $130, I would rather pay 200 for this than $130 for a gt 1030. gpu prices are screwed, and I think this will actually hit it's $199 msrp (becuase it's terrible for scalpers and miners)
@@legendp2011 You better try again scalpers have already jack the price north of $400 but Newegg still has them for $270 in stock good luck with getting one for MSRP.
Just bought one today oc edition $150 CA,upgrading from Rx 570 4gb and from what I’ve seen this the best budget for value. I will love to see how it preforms. It’s fine if you don’t agree obviously if your not on a budget get a better card but this is perfect for me 😊 hope this helps you make your decision if your thinking of buying one and also remember it can be temporary you can always upgrade later down the road
I was buying rx 580s for $80 repeatedly on ebay in the summer of 2019.
This card is gaslighting embodied.
$85 gtx 970 as well...
In August 2020 I found a 480 4GB for just 75 bucks used
Yeah just let me get out my time machine to go back to 2019
The golden days of PC building were nice. IMO after artificial inflation hits this card, it will cost $400 in retail stores. That's the same price i build an entire ryzen 3 3100, rx 580 gaming rig for in 2019 after taking advantage of what was a great used market for gpus. The market is pretty sad nowadays.
In 2019 the world wasn't being shut down and we weren't suffering from the highest inflation in decades. The market is fucked, it's not AMD's fault, it's not the AIB's fault.
My friend bought it. Went from 5600g all low and sub 40 FPS in Mortal Kombat 1 to 60 FPS all mid, same CPU.
I think you nailed it. I recently upgraded my rig to a B550 w/Ryzen 5700G (stuck with on-board graphics for budget reasons). So most of those "concerns" people bring up are irrelevant ...
PCI x4: non-isuue, I have gen4
No encoders: non-issue, I don't stream
4GB VRAM: no so good, but still better than shared system RAM
2 outputs: non-issue, I don't steam
I just want something to get away from onboard video, and this seems perfect.
Your experience checks out, but as Zach mentioned, you are in the single-digit percentage of the users this card targets (those with PCIe 4.0). For 90% of their target market, this isn't a compelling upgrade, and that's why it doesn't make sense. I have a 970/4790 system and even with something that old, this isn't even close to practical.
the 5700g only has gen 3
In the US this was never priced that high as what was estimated in the video. It came in around $220 on avg for the baseline, and after a couple months was at MSRP.
Yes I fully agree that a lot of reviewers were being idiots in their commentary about this because as much as they complained about pricing, to sensationalize their videos, when a REAL budget GPU hits the market they say don't buy it. I don't know how you could be more hypocritical than THAT. This was better than the 1650 Super and was typically priced better, and most people don't need the encoders
It's pretty onpar with the 1650 Super (and a lot of the time a GTX 1060). I still don't consider the 6500XT to be any really good value. It's a low end and budget product, alright. That is "budget" in today's market of inflated GPU prices, of course.
But similar to the high end market, where prices don't matter at all -- this is a product where price is the only thing that matters. Just a tier above the value you get is so much better it's not a contest. I'm looking for a possible replacement for my aging 1050ti, but this is not going to be it. The 1050ti as entry-level to 1080p gaming was paired with 4GB of VRAM 6 years ago already. As a result, it can actually still game quite a few AAA games with ~45fps medium settings such as Elden Ring half a decade later.
The 6500XT meanwhile won't offer anywhere near that value as even on lower settings and older games on higher settings, the 4GB are just about enough. And that's just the VRAM. The advantage in rendering power on a RX6600 is much higher than any of the benchmarks in this video suggests. So you can keep it even after a CPU upgrade or with your next system some more.
"Cheap" means "cheap" in this case.
in australia, u can get the 6500xt for the same price as the gtx 1650, even though it is 28% more powerful than it according to GPU user benchmark, and the card is in stock as well bc it seems like everyone doesn't want it, but for low budget gamers, its a steal coming in at AUD $390 which is approx USD $275.
I think it might be worth looking at IF you have pci-e 4.0. Otherwise, it's a hard pass. It's an x4 card, so if you have a pci-e 3.0 motherboard, it's going to run at 3.0 x4. That actually makes it slower than a 580 8GB in most games. In some games, it's a lot slower.
But, yeah, if you have 4.0 and need something to tide you over until better GPU prices come, it may be worth looking into.
@@JustAGuy85 I think even for a guy like me with pci-e 3.0 motherboard, I'd still pick 6500xt over rx 580. Because the rx580 price is almost double the 6500xt here
@@willibrahmantyo9939 lmao in australia all the new rx 580s are AUD 1100 which is like 900 usd, complete ripoff so thats when the 6500xt will be a viable option
Hey I just bought this exact video card as an open box item from Microcenter for $78.00. It is paired with a Ryzen3 5300G and it rocks big time - at least for me.
Hey man the Ryzen 3 5300G has intergrated graphics. And if you have a discrete gpu, you might as well get a 5600 or even a 5500. You'd gain 2 more cores (very big performance boost) and in the case of 5600 more cache (not all workloads will benefit from it) and better i/o.
@@rLegitian yes I know this but I bought a pre built HP system on eBay with a Ryzen 3 5300g for $150 and I got a new power supply that has pcie power connections for the GPU power. The CPU could be better yes but it works really well for how little I paid
If I buy an rx 580, 480, a gtx 1060 3gb or a 1650. I'm getting a relatively low range card by today's standards. I might be worried about the gpu bottlenecking my cpu.
But at least om not worried about the gpu bottlenecking itself.
As I said in another comment, products like this are akin to the hp stream laptops. I had a special ultra cut down image built for then in university because so many people brought them in when windows tried to update and couldn't. 32gb of flash storage made them basically inoperable as a windows laptop. They were were cheap laptop, they sort of functioned, they sort of sort of did computer things... but they didn't help the cheap laptop market they made it worse. They didn't make computing cheap, they made it a horrible experience. Hp sold e waste to the uniformed.
That's this card, it doesn't make gaming cheap. It makes cheap gaming worse.
My rig has a R9 3900x 32 GB Ram and a 1660 Ti as a place holder, I have a bottle neck lol
My 1660 Ti out preforms this RX 6500xt
my old rig still works but currently needs rebuilding I am waiting for a deal to either find a new GPU for my old rig
or and upgrade to this rig to pass down the 1660ti
sadly this RX 6500xt is not worth it for my old rig as it has the key features of AV1 and H264 encoding missing,
as I want to turn on old rig in to a media and back up NAS and as a screen capture machine too,
this is a frustrating launch
@@skashax777x thos card isnt for people like you. Its for people who WANTED a 1650 or 1660 but cant afford them because theyre so gosh dang expensive. People who are running integrated graphics and need something thats affordable and works.
You sir take the cake. I love your comment and that last sentence should be added to the dictionary next to an image of this card.
I didn't think about the GPU bottlenecking itself 😂
The GPU is SUPPOSED TO BE the bottleneck in your graphics performance.. ffs..
An old 2011 X5650 6 core/12 thread stock clocked Xeon doesn't bottleneck the RX 580 8GB at 1430/2100mhz, 99% of the time.
I bought a Ryzen 1700 8/16 motherboard-16GB ram-CPU combo (200 bucks woo!), at stock clocks it has the same performance. There are moments, when the CPU is being slammed, the 1700 allows the performance to stay a single digit FPS higher than with the X5650, but that's probably less than 1% of time in a game.
GPU is supposed to be the graphics bottleneck, if anything else is, you've underbuilt your rig or used an overpowered card for the build.
Play button where Zach actually gets to the point: Never... I gave up waiting for him to actually make his point 🙄
like 4 minutes in he says it's a budget card you can get without resorting to the used market. That's pretty much it
He literally makes his point in the first sentence of the review, are you that impatient? Or did unit watch it?
@@lfc1903 No, he doesn't. He literally doesn't: "There's just so many reasons I'm happy about this graphics card and honestly, people are just looking at this the completely wrong way". That was the first sentence in the video.
He then spends the next few minutes bleating on about his sponsors, and then just re-hashing the news that this card *exists* and just keeps saying he "likes it" without telling us WHY.
The WHY is the point. The video's title is (as time of writing) "Why everyone is WRONG about the RX6500XT".
I waited for several minutes to him to answer the "why". After that I gave up and made my comment after he constantly repeated himself and rehashed existing news.
There is a reason this video was stretched to 10 minutes: It's clickbait and he needs it to be 10+ minutes otherwise the RUclips algorithm doesn't promote his video. He could have literally made this 2 minutes long and been informative, but instead he decided to trick the audience so he can make more money. I have nothing against Zach earning a living, but not like this and I refuse to be a part of it. The more we reward BS and clickbait like this, the more it will spread.
This was the first time I've ever watched Zach's content, and it will be the last. I don't like being "tricked" into wasting my time on a empty video and there are plenty of other tech RUclipsrs who will treat their audience with more respect than this.
So maybe, instead of leaving passive aggressive comments to complete strangers, maybe consider that my point was actually accurate and I had a valid criticism, even if don't you agree with it.
@@RichardBrooklyn factsss
325€ IS NOT CHEAP
Real
Got this card in October 2022 for around 155 USD, Can't be any more happier!, paired with my several gen older 3200g it runs everything pretty well, it'll run any game I throw at it until the point I realized I need to upgrade my CPU because it's no longer keeping up with the 6500xt 😂
people are hating because they got spoiled with higher end gpus and not realizing where this card sits and the needs of its buyers, I know that if it has the video encoder it'll be in a much better position but even without it, the 6500xt still brings very good performance to the table.
*planning to upgrade to an i3 12100/f because it seems to be a good path
*even now (early november 2022) rtx 3050s are still about twice the price of the 6500xt if not more (in my country)
Just picked one up yesterday for $200 exactly from micro center. I could not be more happy with it.
Same here. It's a solid 1080p medium setting cards. For $200 it isn't a bad deal.
so happy to se that my 4 yr old RX 570 can stream, well and can perform almost on par with 6500xt a 2022 card.
That should sadden you
They made the 6500XT because gamers wanted a card you could buy new in store for under 300.00. The RX 570 came out before video card prices skyrocketed
@Al fym?
1. sick build you've got there. really digging that AIO and now i'm going to spend an hour trying to find it.
2. I'll give you points for the click bait title.
3. Still a dumb graphics card and not worth it. Someone else said at $200 it's worth it, but i'll push back on that just a bit. At $150 I'll bite as a decent low to low-medium setting graphic card that gets people up and running. At $200 I expect a hell of a lot better performance than what I've seen so far from some of the charts. I'm not surprised that those games have high frame rates, this card is equivalent to a card that was made when they came out. For a card that came out in 2022, I don't expect to see 2015 performance. Not at $200 msrp and actual price at $300
the limited support for video encoding is deal breaker for me. i want a budget gpu to play game and editing. if you just want is for gaming purposez this card should be good for the price
This GPU is useless. It doesn't matter what you say, this card should have been way cheaper than its MSRP, stop promoting or encouraging AMD with this. You must have been paid to say all this. You are the only reviewer who like this card which simply means people shouldn't trust your reviews. Its clear that your reviews are biased
this guy is smart.. as an igpu gamer, and stucked with it, this kind of graphics card is my target. i will be using it for games , netflix and youtube only. plus there is an rx 6400
Loved your take on this Zach. so many people are so worked up and picky about the fact that the card is not so powerful and feature-packed when they are forgetting the underlying problem.... WE DONT HAVE GRAPHICS CARDS......ANYWHERE!!!! for a decent price at least
That's the only real market for this card - people without one because they are building a new system or an old card died.
@@danielbarnes3406 Exactly the point to why we need this card..
This card games for me at 4k medium settings. Pro tip Don't update your drivers. Amd has crippled the card with the most recent drivers but earlier drivers, this card runs like a beast
Really? i recently got one, and downloaded the first driver that was on the drivers page, can you tell me which version should i get?
Zach is definitely a glass half full type of guy. People don't want just a budget graphics card. People want a DECENT budget graphics card at a price that makes sense. This is not a solution to anything imo. Once artificial inflation hits this card (which it will in the current gpu market regardless of crypto performance due to overly high demand and limited supply), the price to performance will make absolutely no sense. This card gets outperformed by a 1650 super, and it will probably cost about $400 in retail stores. (The cheapest you can find a 6600 right now realistically is between $500 and $550, which is why i think the 6500xt will be inflated to $400). 1650 supers on the used market already exist at that $400 price, they just dont make sense to buy due to 4GB of vram and overall bad price to performance, which will make this card even less sensible to buy at that price. I do hope im wrong about the price, but i doubt it. There's absolutely no reason to be optimistic about the gpu market right now. The card would make sense for $200-250. I think you'd be making a mistake buying this card for around $400 which will likely be the price on it imo after inflation.
The thing is no one can buy a decent budget card nowadays without paying double. Unless you are talking about AMD direct buy but it's always OOS. This card is not for everyone yes, it's for those who want to buy brand new instead of used ones from Kijiji. If this card is decent then you will have to probably pay $400 for it which is insane.
@@pajamaphoebs939 there were aftermarket versions of the card sold for $370 on release day. It like every other gpu that has been released recently sold out in seconds. Also just based on what comparable 4GB cards are selling for on the used market (1650 supers, gtx 980s, rx 580s, etc.), it'll be artificially inflated to at least $400 retail and on the used market. That's what you can expect to pay barring some miracle that you actually were able to purchase it for its original retail price.
@@rosswrld1143 you can get this card for 270 at newegg right now.... it was hit much less than the rest of all GPUs
@@jesusbarrera6916 yeah im baffled that its staying in stock at its msrp. Hadn't seen a graphics card do that in a couple of years now. As i said in the original reply to the video, the card makes sense in todays market at its msrp. I just was almost certain that it would get artificially inflated. I was hoping to be wrong about the inflation, and im pleasantly surprised that I am.
@@rosswrld1143 easy explanation - Who actually wants this? miners don't want it. High end gamers don't want it, Mid range gamers don't want it. It's too expensive for low end gaming. Anyone who has a mid range card and higher from around 2 generations ago (maybe even 3) to present gen is almost 99.99% better off sticking with what they have. Scalpers are the only ones buying. I'm on a 1070 and I'm not touching this. PC Enthusiasts are desperate but they're not that stupid to throw money at a card that's worse in every way than a previous gen. The only ones that want this are new system builders and people who only buy new. That's not a big market. I shudder to think how awful the even more budget version of this - the 6400 is going to be.
AMD has supported PCIE 4.0 for 3 years now. You can get a PCIE 4.0 motherboard for $50.
What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that it was this card or no card. This is a upclocked laptop die slapped on a PCB for use in desktop. There was originally no intention of selling this die on desktop. This decision was made after tape out. Adding more lanes and encoders would have meant a new die. The lead time on a new die is 10 months and the cost of a new die is around 200 million USD on 7nm.
Its not like Nvidia is offering any alternatives at this price point. What are you going to buy? A 1650? That card is significantly weaker on a PCIE 4.0 motherboard.
yeah, but how much is the most available and cheapest pcie gen 4 cpu? some people cant justify a whole platform upgrade so...
@@gamingcyber334 AMD supported pcie 4.0 as early as the Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, and Intel beginning in their 11th gen. There are plenty of CPUs available which support it, including motherboards.
@@jhao3598 I get that but your missing the point. I'm talking about the gamers that can't justify the expense of upgrading to those generations and platforms
@@gamingcyber334 Yes, a lot of people are still happily on Kaby Lake and earlier, but most are upgrading to the newest platforms available via bundles and sales. The "some people" are an exception but the majority are able to upgrade, even if it's slowly. DDR4 RAM (2x8gb kit) has been affordable due to DDR5, as low as $50 from retail (Crucial has been dumping a lot recently in waves for instance). CPUs, at the moment the i5-12600K is $295 - 300 across most retailers and it's going to go lower once the next generation is ready for release. The AMD Ryzen 5 5600X is also roughly around the same pricing and it will expect the same outcome. As for motherboards, they of course can vary but the ones that fit most people's needs are less that $150.
If one is going for Intel, they have to make sure they can get a DDR4 supported motherboard due to DDR5 price to performance currently. Cheapest B560 that supports DDR4 from retail is the Asus PRIME B660M-A D4, can be had for $140 right now from Amazon and it should meet a gamer's needs. If going for AMD, the cheapest B550 from retail is the ASRock B550M-HDV for $80 from Newegg, and it'll meet a budget gamer's needs just fine. Both Intel and AMD routes will be roughly $450 - 500 at the moment regardless which ever is taken (taking into account CPU + Mobo). And, deals will always happen for other alternatives and other components.
As for the GPU... I would not consider the RX 6500XT at its current price, save some money and get the RX 6600 or RX 6600XT since they are more often in stock, but I imagine it will go down to lower than $150 since nobody wants to buy this junk due to its price to performance and other negative compromises. Miners might play with it to see how much hashrates they can get but won't depend on it and will not recommend usage of it, scalpers will try to flip them because "shiny GPU" for a month or two but since nobody wants to buy them at even higher pricing they will sell them at the price they bought it for (or even less), and most gamers won't buy it because their eyes are not on a card like this. They want a GPU such as the RTX 3060 or RX 6600 minimum, which those go for at least $500 retail (pretty sure the 3060 goes for a few hundred more). Only the budget gamers will consider this card over other options, but give it some time and this will be at a great price anyways. Just take a look at the Ryzen 7 5800X, while it didn't receive as much harsh criticism from reviewers and consumers (because it wasn't a bad chip) it was the first Ryzen 5000 chip to be regularly in stock and the first to begin having its price slashed closer to what many said it should've been (I bought mine at $440 since it was the only in stock option at the time and it's currently regularly available at $360, close to the price many said it should've been at in the first place).
Am I still missing some point? Once again I understand a lot of people cannot upgrade due to financial reasons so they're stuck with a DDR3-supported machine but there's even more people looking to upgrade everything anyway. From what I've read, a lot of people looking for a low budget gaming GPU in countries with unfortunate financial circumstances do appreciate this GPU due to it actually being affordable for them, and we'll just have to wait and see what the 3050 will do (I imagine it will be better performing but more expensive, out of stock regularly, and scalped to shit like every other GPU, as well as the Intel GPUs that are upcoming but really we'll just have to wait and see).
@@jhao3598 the "some people" that you so quickly brushed off are the ENTIRE POINT!!! I understand that most are upgrading to the latest and (depending on how big their wallet is) greatest. But the majority of the people that would be buys this card fall under "some people". Remember this card is literally marketed towards them. Not everyone else running a 12600k. In the end, the reason why this gpu was so poorly received was because they marketed to low budget gamers who can't justify an at least $200+ platform upgrade AND a $200+ gpu. Any budget gamer will tell you that they would just get the gpu now and upgrade the rest later, but after seeing the preformence on their 8th/9th gen build or older build, would probably have buyers remorse. And worst case, scalp their card to just end up waiting for the next one. Also let's not forget, not everyone in the gaming space is running ryzen 3000 or newer/ 11th gen intel. There are lots of gamers out there that run 4th gen intel still (as much as most people here seem to forget this fact) and first or second gen ryzen. THOSE people are the ones ultimately buying this card. And those people are ultimately going to feel like they wasted their money on this card
I think unfortunately you are right. Its a bad card at a bad price. But the market is so terrible right now that it actually represents a big plus for people actually trying to get into pc gaming. The other reviewers are happy to point at like the rx 480 launching at $200 dollars in 2017 as a reason to hate on this, and while they are absolutely right. At the moment you'd be lucky to find a used 480 for less than $250
Totally agree!
Lmao dude have you actually watched the other reviewers? It has missing video encoders/decoders, only 4gb of vram, only x4 lanes and with 580 performance level selling for the same - NO WAIT It's actually selling for almost 50% more. You're as deluded as gpu fanboys come
stockholm syndrome
@@mesicek7 One more hardh keyboard wiseass warrior who would never be hardh and rude face to face.
@@AngelA-tj9ok The whatnow? Grow up man they're taking you to the cleaners with products like this one.
'A bunch of other youtubers' - > completely forgets about the wealth of written reviewers that have been around twice as long
So an actual tech channel that's fighting for real consumers and looking at things analytically instead of being an emotional baby? Cudos. 👏
If he was fighting for consumers he wouldn't recommend this card....
Would be less of a disappointment if it wasn't a downgrade from the 5500XT in many games, even when running Gen 4. This card would be better received as just a 5500 XT 4GB refresh. Which as you stated, isn't ALL bad, supply is supply. Having more budget cards in the market is a net positive even if they aren't any better than their predecessors. That said, it is a big letdown from the impressive performance of the rest of the 6000 series, and puts a stain/bad taste on an otherwise really good series of cards.
RX 6400, that’s the ticket.
Well, I dont think it should be sold as a refresh since its a new design and alot more efficient than the old generation. When did people stop care about power draw/performance? And as in the video, you get a new product. yes you can buy a 5500xt used and hope that it works when you get it. But i wouldnt.
Someone didn't understand the video.
@@gluttenglutten Yeah that's where I think calling it a 6400 comes into play instead. It's worse than the 5500 XT, but it does have 6000 series tech. Selling it as a RX 6500 XT is just embarrassing to AMD. I think it is a good value at MSRP, it's just VERY poorly marketed. In terms of your efficiency comment, how is 107W a notable improvement over the 115W of the 5500 XT?
@@eazen Care to explain? I don't think you understood the purpose of my comment. I AGREE with the premise of the video, I am just noting why I believe the card is getting such bad press... Which is because people rightly expect to see improvements in products from one generation to the next. So if AMD's marketing department had removed the expectation that it should be an improvement over the 5500 XT by calling it something else (like a 6400), done. Problem solved.
If you've got gen 4 it's OK but if you're in the majority it isn't. Having said that it'll probably age OK with gen 5 standardising though the 4GB and 64 Bit memory restriction will likely stop it "aging like fine wine". For most folks a 1650S is a better choice right now and at(in the UK) a current new price of £20 more than a 6500XT makes it a no brainer. I really don't understand gimping the card with 4 communication lanes while Nvidia cards maintain the full interface width, I mean the electronic components to make this card open literally cost a couple of quid(if that)(I am a professional electronics buyer by trade BTW). It's one thing to remove functions but it's another to strangle the card.
I feel like its a uarch thing
The 6600 and 5500 where 128bit and only had x8 where this card is 64 bit and has x4.
And by this i mean i think the die is not capable of using more than 4 lanes. Its probably a gcn to rdna change. But i dont have design documents so its just speculation.
In laptops its fine and 12th gen is getting pritty cheep to get on to. With the i3 being $120 and all. Anybody with a 6c6t chip could probably upgrade for nothing out of pocket.
@@andrewmcewan9145
It may well be to do with architecture but it's worth noting that the PS5 SOC happily runs 8 DDR6 memory chips. And I do agree with your comment on CPU's, we've moved to the odd position where Intel are delivering the goods in the "budget" sector right now with some great performance in their i3 100 and i5 400&600 chips, as far as CPUs go I can't remember a time when we've been better served, maybe back in the 90s when Athlon and 64 bit Athlon chips shook up the market? Even then if we went back and tried to tell ourselves about the levels of performance we have easily available now we might not believe ourselves.
@@darthwiizius 🤦 a console is not the same as a PC. You can't compare the two sets of hardware like that. The GPU and CPU are limited to what they can do in a console graphics wise.
@@evacody1249 with a console I can play games, watch videos and do some browsing. A computer can be used for hundreds of things
only if that card was available in some countries. in mine it sells for more than 270+ dollars. people are actually over exaggerating on the fact that its previous version was cheaper and better. im telling u now show me a rx 5600 xt in 200 dollars. fuck it even 2060 is being sold at 300+ dollars. and this trend is not stopping any time now. its like those years when buying ram was like buying a diamond
I really liked your point that budget gamers don't really play at ultra settings. They just need budget card. And luckily in my country it is available around MSRP (200-220). I was waiting for a card just to play some games don't mind medium or high. 3050 is around 500 here so if 3050 doesn't go below 400, then I'll buy that 6500xt for the time being. ( I'm not a hardcore gamer but a casual gamer).
Thanks for your honest review.
Finally someone who understand why this card come out 🥰😊
Thank you. You are the first one who got the point of this card.
@Randy Names the point of this card is to make gaming possible for everyone who is waitung on a possibility to fibish their systems lol.
Its a nice priced card for our Situation right now.
A card you can play on medium to high settings on a budget System. You should rewatch the Video if you missed it.
my honest opinion (I am looking to build a new medium budget pc .. 1300 - 1500$), this card will gather dust on the shelves of any retailer who will sell over MSRP... it barely deserves the 200$ price tag, paying 350 - 400$ for it it's crazy to me, especially since there should be no miners buying it to inflate prices, this time, if it does go 50 or 100% over MSRP it's strictly because of retailers.
There are stupid models of 6500XT that charges $349. But you can easily find cheaper models that is $260, or sometimes at $200. I think if someone can get it for ~$200. It is acceptable for a budget build.
What? Delivering a new card that performs worse than 6 year older cards, 3 generations removed with stripped down encoding for a 300$ street price is a GOOD thing? You are out of your mind pal!
would be okay if this was $150. The problem with this card is that the RTX 3050 is way worth the $50 increase when it releases.
The problem is you will most likely have to pay 200$ more not 50$
What does that matter if you can't actually buy an RTX 3050? Why base opinions on cards' values on theoretical releases that realistically can't actually be had anyways? You can get a 6500XT because it sucks for mining. That's pretty important. And in this fantasy land where the 3050's available, what do you think the market value's going to actually be? $350? $450? $550? Probably $550. And I bet this will be comparable in performance.
Brought this for my sons pc as there is nothing on the market for £199 (what I paid) and it will play almost all games at over 60fps at high setting and 1080P.. he only has a 60hz monitor so paying over £400 for rx6600 is not worth it, and it looks as though the 3050’s are going to be £300-£400 in the UK.. so it’s the only option at the moment for a cheap build.. btw I have a rx6600 and I’m very happy with it on a 1440P monitor.
@@ocha-time I see one(only SKU I can find) in stock, a Gigabyte Gaming RTX 3050 for €549. The inflated price is as terrible as expected.
It is 150$ for the 8gb version, is that a good price?
Even though I have my own opinions on the card by *It doesn't have to be cutting edge* I can't blame you for stating the good sides of the card ie: Placeholder or for someone who just wants to finish their gaming PC. But as an alternative If you are weary by the limitations your probably better off getting a 1650 super or a Rx 5500xt
"If you are weary by the limitations your probably better off getting a 1650 super or a Rx 5500xt"
Of course, but getting a GTX 1650 Super or RX 5500 XT in good condition at a similar price to an RX 6500 XT is easier said than done.
6500xt on pcie 4 is better than 1660super
I get the point that it's a budget graphics card, but for me, there is a difference between Budget and entry level, a budget PC is not a super powerful machine, but also isn't a cheap machine that barely runs games from 8 years ago, a Budget PC is a machine with reasonable price that's able to perform well not just today, but a few years ahead, no one has money to pay 200 Dollars on graphics card today that in 6 months will need to upgraded wasting 350+ again, most people are still using gen 3 pcie, and for them to upgrade it just to be able to use the maximum power of that card is more expensive than the card it self, a graphics card that can't even use it's resources, why this card has Ray accelerator if it can't run ray tracing? Wouldn't be better to not use ray accelerators that just make it more expensive and increase the PCIe connection?
The 6500XT can play AC : Valhalla ...the bottom line is for under 300.00 bucks you can't be too picky. Unless you're willing to spend 600.00 - 900.00 bucks right up front you're going to be doing small upgrades over time regardless. I sold a Radeon 5700 8GB for almost $900.00. The question is when do you decide to enter the game and at what price point....then when do you decide to upgrade. The 6 month timeline is actually smart because 4GB cards are going to start to decline in value sooner rather than later. 6500XT is a safe purchase but I wouldn't hang on to it for longer than 6 months probably. Newer cards are easier to resell especially when you have the retail box and everything. A 6500XT will be easier to resell 6 months from now than some dude trying to sell some 8 year old card that looks beat up and doesn't come with any of the retail packaging.
Not a PC gamer, use my computer to design with 3D programs and some animation work using After Effects. My old graphics card died a few months ago and while I don't mind spending $600+ on a new GPU I've gone and ordered one of these to tick me over for the next 6-12 months while the prices drop again on the higher end cards, letting my budget go further. I think a lot of other people will be buying this for exactly the same reason, a temporary affordable card that fills a hole for the time being.
Absolute horendous and stupid card even for an entry level card.
And yes they selling this in my country for 370$ with just the lowest chinese tier card like manli, palit, inno3d. Want a sapphire, gigabyte, asus, msi? Yes 400$ please they say
For $350 I rather buy a Xbox Series S with 3 months of Gamepass Ultimate as its super easy to find at MSRP. The 6500xt is a curious oddity and the Power Color version meant for ITX cases (single cooling fan version) is interesting if it can be bought for MSRP at $199. However once you hit the $300 mark it's just not a good value proposition.
I found a power color for 199.. it has been in stock for a while too
The reason why the 6500 XT has only two display outs are due to it being a laptop part put into a desktop card. The other limitations might also come from it being a laptop part as well. If the product wasn't priced at $269 and came out at $150, it might have been fine. I do think AMD does deserve all the thrashing they are getting right now though. It just isn't a $200 card. The OEM 5300 part beats it and that thing is a few years old.
First review I saw with some fps results in Apex legends , Call of duty Vanguard/warzone and Helo infinity(the only 3 games I play on pc) with my 950 oc edition still..I must say the card don't disappoint me..110fps on high settings and 1080p in apex would be around 140fps on competitive settings that's not bad for a card of that price . Specially if you know I reach only between 50 and 70 fps on my gtx950oc.. Warzone/vanguard , a nice 80fps isn't to bad and helo above 60 is the less but still a decent playable fps , I can't even run hello with my 2gb card right now, so for me personally with the high prices on the market I think it would be a nice upgrade till the prices go down a bit again..
I play F1 2021. This card can do 95fps for high settings and 110fps for medium. So for $200, it isn't a bad deal for me.
If all you got is a Ryzen APU then the 6500 XT is going to be a big jump in performance. The card is only an upgrade if you had no GFX card to begin with.
6500XT doing 63 FPS on Forza Horizon where my old RX 570 does in between 75-85 fps most of the time........Im not so sure on this 6500XT.......We get you Zach,about the fact that we need more budget cards.....but still.... 300 cojones is 300 cojones,this card ain't worth that
Well run the built in benchmark, it produces like 20-30 FPS less than what you get in a real gaming situation.
@@ZachsTechTurf ill try it out
@@ZachsTechTurf 62 FPS in Benchmark mode,you were right. I still feel like this GPU should be around 170 MSRP. If you can grab a hold of a 570 or 580 and do a comparison :) would love to see it
@@CandyMan2001 you can't ,last time i could find one in the shop was last year.Second hand you might be looking at 250$
budget is not getting a card for 250 dollar with similar performance to a 5 years old card. no matter how you try to justify it, this card is worth 150 dollars, 165 to be fair.
people should not buy anything right now.
I was looking to upgrade my rx 560 2G with a 1650 non super. This is a valid option for me especially since its much faster than, and the same price as the 1650 in my country. What hurts is that if these were normal times, this carf would've been $100
I use an RX 460 and it seems like I need to wait a little bit more to see the new 3050 if its worth it. Otherwise, I'm going for old used GTX cards.
this card would've not been 100$ because it would have been much more different in a normal market. It would've been a desktop card made for desktops rather than a laptop card made for desktops.
If you happen to have a Ryzen 3100, 3300x (if you were the in the 100 worldwide to get a 3300x), 3600 which supoprt PCIe Gen 4, you can build a cheap system.
B520 board currently on Amazon Warehouse for £45 with PCIe 4. £35 8gb DDR4 3000, £40 Corsair 500w bronze PSU, £42 500gb NVME, £50 case, £35 1TB HDD. RX 6500XT for £199 from Overclockers at the moment.
£247 + CPU (getting a CPU is the problem at the moment).
Although if you have an existing 3100, 3600 etc system without a reasonable graphics card, consider just getting a B520/B550 for £45-60 to replace your existing motherboard and an RX6500XT for £199. That adds up to around £250 for the graphics card which will be on a par with a new 500XT or 1650 Super both typically going for over £400. Maybe you can sell your old motherboard and make some of that back.
This card sucks as does the whole market, but for some lucky people with Gen 4 capability - it is by far the best (only) new option for budget 1080p gaming keeping texture quality down a notch.
did u mean a520?
I built a PC with my 10yo daughter a few months back. We but in an ancient GT730. The 6500XT is available, and I don't have to mortgage my house to put a GPU in my kids PC so she can play Minecraft and the Sims 4.
Solid. 👍
Thanks Zack for not being a precious, pretentious jerk like those other RUclipsrs ...
This right here. This post says it all. It's for budget builds. For people who are not playing demending games.
Bought one for cheap. Brand new, does what I need it to. That is all. Warranty is great. Mostly play older games, so it's beefy enough. Not super though.
The biggest problem I have with this card is that it will have no resell value so even if I get it at $350 I cant say its money I'll recover and get something better when the gpu market goes back to normal.
This market is the new normal brother.
You can find this card for $200, not $350.
I needed a card that can run a 1080p desktop and play current games at 30 fps and I don't want to spend $500+ and my MB doesn't support PCIE Gen4
This card is perfect for me.
Excellent take, finally a reviewer that isn't nerd raging and actually understanding the current situation and what this GPU is about. Not everyone can afford a RTX 3060 for 600 bucks or RX 6600 for at least 550. This is the GPU for people that want a NEW card that costs less than 400 bucks. There is zero competition for this GPU right now, buying used isn't what everyone wants to do, far from it actually. The RTX 3050 with 8 GB will also be very expensive and cost way more than this, miners will like it too much but they DON'T like this card, mission accomplished.
What is the use of the "NEW" card if it is outperformed by GPU's launched before 2021?
@Goukenn Gaming senseless comparisons to old GPUs are worthless if you don't even own a GPU. I wish people would start living in the here and now and stop their moot comparisons. Sorry it's not 2016, wake up. Countless people will buy this for their new PC.
@@eazen if it isn't 2016 then why are we getting 2016 levels of performance for a 2016 price?
@tyre because 2022 is terrible? You basically answered it yourself.
@@eazen so instead of releasing a good gpu amd released a terrible gpu to fit the 2022 theme? lmao
These are already available for $270 easily (just checked). It’s not the most hideous thing to buy at that. At $199 it is a smarter move than a used 1050 ti or something at that same price on eBay. If these dip to $199 I’ll begrudgingly buy one. Peeps complain but nothing from Nvidia can even be had for under $500.
Uhm, your price analysis is way off. The 6500XT is the same performance as a GTX 1650 Super or a regular GTX 1660, those cards sell for over 300.00, used. The 6500XT is in fact, the better deal in the $250.00 - $350.00 range. The Gigabyte 6500XT is only $260.00 at Best Buy. The 6500XT is far more powerful than the 1050 ti that's why it is worth more than a 200.00 1050 ti.
So basicly you say it's fine because it is cheap? It's the most expensive card in the 200-700 € range ( retail) in perspective on cost per frame. Why would you call that great?
If i sell you a "budget" card for 50 bucks, but it can only run 10 fps would you still call that good ? Or what people have needed in this market ?
Alot of people are waiting on a Upgrade in the budget market. But amd managed to Release a card wich gets demolished by budget Tier cards Form the last 3-5years and is still more expensive.
But that is expected behaviour of some RUclipsr. Comin in like " jada jada jada , i want to have a controversial opinion, because of clicks jada jada jada, i dont care that literally everyone and thier mum came to a different conclusion "
In my country the only card you can buy for $200 is a 1050 ti. A 1650 is $280. 5500 xt and 1650 super are nowhere in stock.
Let me ask you, if you really had to choose and both this and a 1050 ti were in stock for $200 which would you buy?
@@flushfire your doesn't matter, since it is not possible in this market. if a had to choose and would not already have one , i'd buy a 3080 for 700 bucks
@@Amarushaya92 See? dodged the question. Nothing more needs to be said.
@@flushfire even for 200 bucks on pcie 3.0 this is one of the most expensive cards on cost per frame . So no, you should not buy it. The 1050ti is literally the only card which is worse. Anything in else is better value. Specially on the used market.
Also he benchmarked the 6500xt against the 6600 wich was terrible value to begin with . Everything he did was to make the card Look good to be able to have a different oppinion on the topic for clicks.
the reason why i did not answer your question is, because we dont live in fantasyland and there is no 6500xt at 200 bucks to begin with.
@@Amarushaya92 🤦 I would get the 3080 to. Point is not everyone does those builds. I have a high end PC 6700xt and Ryzen 7 3700x. No I would not buy the 6500xt. But if I was doing a budget build with a Ryzen 3 or an i3 yeah I would buy it.
Surprised it matches the RX580. Also 8GB will be more future proof than 4GB. But this is great for esports
Another hot take: most of the people who get this card will get it as part of a new pre-built, which is likely to support pcie 4.
Adding to the "new" aspect, we can expect driver updates for longer than the RX580.
Is this a good launch? No, but I don't think it's a awful as reviews have suggested. I wish they shaved off some wattage to make it work on bus power alone.
It's very hard to swallow this pill, this card is the new normal entry level, but only if they can really inundate the market and keep up with demand fast enough to send the message to scalpers that people will not need to buy their shit.
disagree, a lot of the people getting this card have old systems/cards (gtx 950, gtx 770, etc) that only support pcie gen 3 and just want to upgrade their gpu because it's been so long since gpu prices have been normal
As a person who used it for more than a year now this is the best card if you want to start your budget build and personally I bought it because I don't have a penny left to buy a decent gpu to finish my build so I got the 6500xt and hopefully this year I'll upgrade it to a 6900xt or maybe higher,this card helped me in every task even video editing because I was using Intel processor with it as for now it costs around $150 so you may also get it to finish your build.
Since we’re still in the shortage, it’s great if you can get your hands on it at a decent price
For sure, I agree.
Does the shortage will end by the year?
Or should buy this card as I'm using ryzen 5 2400g apu
@@redmibaabu1958 you should buy the card
If it's under 250$
@@redmibaabu1958 me too man. I am waiting for GPUs from many months .. 2400g preety runs every game but it needs more vram for latest games like forza 5.. but prices for 6500zt which perform is lower than 1650 is 300$+
Honestly I'm hyped for any gpus being available! I'm feeling happy 😃 edit I just watch gamers nexus and this card is not good... I'm not happy 😕
Form your own opinions.
Yeah some games at PCIE 3.0 it only just beats a 1050ti...
@@ZachsTechTurf you presume he didn't?
@@ZachsTechTurf He watched your video, he watched Gamers Nexus video... he formed his own opinion, it just wasn't YOUR opinion.
@@wolfshanze5980 i dont think he can comprehend that cos this video doesnt even have a single point that say this gpu is good.
You are just wrong. It's currently availableble for 300$ at Overclockes UK. That is a terrible value! It is sometimes worse than an rx 570! And people should really wait for the situation to get better. This card is only existing due to the shortage. AMD is just putting a laptop gpu on a Pcie card, and pushing the power limit higher. And the proof for that is the 4x Pcie connectivity, the 6nm proocess node and only two display outputs.
In my country "techies" were advising people not to buy a $290 2060 when the 30 series was about to come out. They said wait. When the 30 series came out they said the cards were overpriced because they were new, they also said wait. 2 years later the 2060 is $560.
When the 6600 xt came out here it was $500. When I saw rumors about the non xt version I waited for it. The 6600 xt is now $640 here, and the 6600 $560.
If I see this card at $300 I will no longer wait.
Your statement will have some point if this card was 139$ at best MSRP but it is 199$ and marked as 6500xt which are false marked because everyone will think it is above 5500xt and its not and its way below of gtx 1650super which are 159$ MSRP in most of games
kinda annoyed that the powercolor doesnt have a backplate considering it’s literally $279….
Meh there's EVGA RTX 3060's out there without a backplate these days lol
This is the Mitsubishi Mirage of GPUs. Now imagine some stupids (like a whole lot of the commenters) who would look at said car and cry that it doesn't have heated seats or an audiophile-level sound system.
this is the most accurate comment ever
You can get a used 1070 for the price this is selling for.
I just got the RX 6500XT and have a Ryzen 5 5500 CPU and I love it. Price is great, around $180 at Best Buy right now. Currently playing Calisto Protocol at mix of Med/High setttings with 40-50 FPS. Fortnite stays around 165FPS with similar settings same with MW2. Cyberpunk 2077 I have on medium settings and it's around 40FPS. Very happy with this card for the price.
6500 xt is a total rip off.
Blud is clueless
People will buy this card because it is available. It will by design drive the outrageous prices down because the average gamer and low budget pc owner will be gaming on this and not give up the rent payment to some scalper.
I'm happy amd is making low end gpus again, but this thing is $200. I wish they'd just use gddr5 and made it more compatible with old processors at an msrp of $150-180.
This card is available for $270 or less. The RTX 3050 is selling for about $600 or unavailable. So by all means, get the 3050 for its extra features. 😆
The RX 6600 is far better than either and costs less than the 3050 and is in stock.
I like the 6500XT because it's f'ing with the resellers. It's the same performance, or better, as 5 different cards that sell for over $260.00 used, but you can buy a 6500XT brand new for $260.00... and that's what some peope are pissed about, especially nvidia resellers. 6600 is good i can't spend that much on an upgrade right now tho
They're MSRP is just $50 apart so I do think they do compare, also having same launch price as a 5 year old graphics card while not being able to completely beat it isn't a good sign, regardless of what's going on in the market, buying this isn't a good buy at all, better of waiting and seeing what the Nvidia is about and get that instead
no 3050 is 250$ more in my country
No, Colonel Sanders, you're wrong. Mama's right.
I agree with you. I was able to go buy two of them. One for 199 usd and the other for 279 usd.
I bought them for my kids who have 750ti's currently. This will be a huge upgrade for them. I'll try to get 3050s for MSRP if possible but not holding my breath 😂
That's an amazing upgrade, so glad to hear that! Perfect GPU for that situation, hope they love it.
I got one for $199 to replace my sons 2gb gtx950. Im fine with buying used stuff but honestly I didn’t see anything on the used market for around that price point that was very interesting.
Now sell off those 750tis for $100-$150 each and you're golden.
Come from the future with these cards selling for about $180 from online retailers such as Amazon. My one complaint with this card and the reason I ended up buying a 6600 instead is VR. Seems I am forever awaiting the day where I can spend $1,000 on my VR setup and have it be complete
Pci express x4.0 for budget gaming players (when the majority has x3.0) with no video encoders is a no-no for me is better to stay with my 960 4gb (3770k) or if the prices are "ok" waiting for reasonable affordable rdna 2 apu and latter buying gpu.If you don't have pc at all 5600g-5700g is the best bet temporary solution for all including myself.
RX 6500 XT is literally at msrp in my country (215e). And I will probably buy it. I still have gtx 760 2gb so it will be a good upgrade and also the cheapest one from the budget cards atm. Yes 3050 would be a perfect fit for me but it costs 550e so it is no brainer which to buy, to at least wait for prices to normalize and still have something to game on while doing so.
I've been excited about the RX 6500 XT for weeks now. Going to try and snag it on Either Amazon or Best Buy (I checked both and Best Buy sold out, Amazon, nothing came up. Maybe in an hour or two, they'll get stock.) Not paying too much more that $200 for it (if I can find an outstanding deal before it sells out in 2 seconds). People have just been hating on it and for the reasons you mentioned, but for me, I think it would work perfectly! Maybe pair it with something like an i3 10100F (unless AMD lowers their prices for Zen 2 and 3), even thought Comet Lake doesn't support PCIe 4.0.
Newegg has a B660 board and a 12100F available for under $300 right now for the pair... PCIe Gen 4 and better gaming performance than a R5 3600...
You are literally going to get worse than Rx 570 performance with a 10100f because of PCIe 3 😂
If you're going to get scammed and buy this garbage card, please, PLEASE buy at minimum a cpu and motherboard that supports PCIe 4.
Try Micro Center
the thing about companies like nvidia and amd that really makes me mad is dropping support for still not too bad cards during this time where prices are extreme. an r9 fury x gets 20 fps in halo infinite without modded drivers. and getting modded drivers on older cards may cause problems with anti cheat software in some games. there is still so much performance in unsupported cards but they drop support allthough no one is able to get a new card. and then they're giving us something like an rx 6500XT.