Analogue Nt mini NES console Review - Talk About Games
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Mike and Ryan discuss the Analogue Nt mini, a high quality console designed to play NES and Famicom.
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We seriously need an episode of AVGN, where his Nintendo has been replaced by the Nintendo mini classic, and then see his reaction, with the hilarious short controller cables :P oh that would just be perfect.
RMJ1984 We NEED this, asap
RMJ1984 I need to see that episode being made
Upvote this, people.
We need to see this idea become manifest.
too many Mondays too many ga... ooops! grown show 😥
it's not a Bad idea but that's like 3 mins of material.
We know what Ryan was talking about, "unlocking features using SD cards", wink wink nod nod... but the really cool thing he didn't explain is that the person that designed both the HDMI conversion and the NES core, has also developed many other cores and there are actually some cartridge adapters that will enable you to plug, let's say, a Genesis or SNES cart to it! So yes, this is what the coleco chameleon should've been.
Why spend only $500 when you could spend $5k on the 24k gold model.
As impressive as it is for old NES games on modern sets I feel like the price is ultimately always going to keep people from ever wanting to bother. Especially with how insanely overpriced original NES carts are nowadays, if I even considered one I'd probably lean towards the Retro AVS or just opt for a Framemeister and use OG consoles
avs is the best option in my eyes and it the extra sprites mode as well
AlphaOmegaSin it's very well designed but come on, at the end of the day it's more expensive than a ps4 pro, which can do a lot more besides games. It's just going to remain a niche interest for gamers. If I had the money and gotten everything else I'd want (or most of it anyway), I'd get it, but as it is it's not top of the list. I'll just play the games through virtual console for now.
Hi Alpha
I know right,I prefer The AVS though with the AVS you connect HDMI to your Elgato hd ,towards the TV after that have fun playing good old classic nintendo games
but avs+everdrive+controller its almost same? and avs cant even play other systems like analogue nt mini can thanks jailbreak software ofc its expensive but what you get is just amazing could not be happiers
The "3rd party" firmware Ryan talks about is actually by the same guy who designed the NES core currently in the system, Kevtris. Analogue has no problem with you using the firmware. You can download cores allowing you to play multiple 8 bit systems.
This is the Nintendo for the people who wipe their arses with $100 bills
Especially that gold-plated one.
That's the one for people who wipe their ass with gold plated $100 bills.
I plated myself in real gold and saved money ;P maybe its only one in gold plated mini analogue but I don't know ;D was fun to learn plating and make it myself and earn little pocket change for plating stuff in the way
i wont lie..if i hit the lotto and had millions i would prolly get this. but, till that day...i am cool with my OG system (though it gets cranky at times) and crt.
racerxgundam i would do much worse ;D i would buy every single nes game/snes nwc1990 grey/gold
"Wanna earn 1 million dollars?" Lets see how fast you pack that shit Up ;P
1:15 Ah I love when Ryan gets technical...
I just want to say that i really liked Ryan in this video. Usually he is not my favourite, in a lot of videos he seems a bit "off" but in this one he really came with strong arguments and overall great insightful comments. Definitely an upgrade.
Keep up the good work guys!
"I would love to be at the airport playing Dr. Mario on my Switch."
...Why not just play Dr. Mario on 3DS? There's Dr. Mario NES, Game Boy, the DSiWare version and the 3DS version.
There is no justifying paying $500 for a machine that plays NES games. you can buy an actual NES for literally hundreds of dollars cheaper and you get the real deal that this thing tries to imitate.
appleipodtouch2g Even for HD playback, there's a less expensive option in the AVS.
Jesus Zamora even the argument of HD does not add up. Those games were never in HD, so making them HD makes them already look inaccurate to some degree. Might as well just emulate at that point.
This is worth about 1800 dollars on eBay at the moment. That would be called a "sound" investment in anyone's book. Should have dropped that 450 huh?
It doesn’t really imitate though, to be fair. It duplicates....with far too many excessive bells and whistles we don’t need in an NES console.
The output?
Its slots are very tight. Got it.
That’s a problem he’s always had an issue with😉
You guys needed to elaborate more about the jailbreak firmware. It is the main reason to own the system and gives it significant value over the other NES clones. It basically becomes an Everdrive/Flash Cart for 18 different 8-bit systems including NES, SMS, GB/GB Color, GG, Colecovision, Atari 2600/7800, and O2. With the jailbreak firmware, you can also dump the roms from your NES carts to your SD card. This system is amazing with that firmware.
This upgrade alone makes it worth it! Just wish shipping wasn't so expensive.
Yeah I thought Ryan was going to elaborate more there. Instead of just replacing the need for an Everdrive, it basically becomes a reference system for tons of 8 bit systems (which really would be great for youtube streamers like Mike mentioned.)
@Mitzos
The issue is emulation introduces lag and is also comparatively less accurate.
In that case, why? If that's what you want to do with it you can do it with a Raspberry pi far cheaper, and better
try HIgan it has the more accurate NES emulation yet, if it wasn`t for a few opcodes it owuld be perfect
fuck. 500 bucks and it only plays famicom and nes? no thanks. Quality is nice but a gilded spoon is still just a spoon. At least gimme a spork for that much. Snes superfam capability would make it worthwhile.
OfficialChrissums with the new jailbreak firmware, it plays every 8 bit system imaginable at the same quality. It also allows for dumping carts on to an sd card for preservation
sure but not physical carts. thats the whole point of getting this over a retron
OfficialChrissums again, the retron is emulation. This is using real fpga which allows those 8bit games to run well natively
sure but if you cant put the cart in and have to load it on an sd card you may as well just emulate it. theres no difference other than on the technical side of things.
emulation has a noticeable input lag of probably about 1/10-1/15th of a second in my experience. I wouldn't buy this thing myself, But I can see the merit of it. I emulate all my NES games personally
The thing is, there's a jailbreak firmware available made by the same person (Kevtris) who helped make the system for Analogue that plays a TON of systems already (Atari 2600/7800, Intellivision, Master System, Game Gear, Game Boy/Color, Colecovision), with more planned, and cart/controller adapters in development. That firmware makes the NT Mini worth every penny.
The "third-party firmware" is by Kevin "Kevtris" Horton the same guy that designed the FPGA layout and official firmware for the Analogue NT Mini. In that way it isn't actually third-party, but instead just "non-official." It unlocks cores for a WIDE variety of other 8-bit game systems and allows their ROMs to be played from the SD card. Kevtris has also stated that he's working on cartridge port adapters to allow you to run the real cartridges from those systems on the Analogue NT Mini.
Gold contacts really aren't the best electrical conductor for connections, but manufacturers still do it because in the minds of people who know no better they assume it must be good because it's gold, and it's a very soft metal too so it wears off to the metal under it quickly.
Guy at the right knows so much, interesting to listen. Thanks for the video.
for $500 can you play punch out without the timing issues?
HDMI connection can have lag up to 20 ms or even more by design
justin alexander No, you cannot.
then piss on your $500 nes
justin alexander You gotta get it Justin.
nope, you need something premioum like the frameister...
The jailbreak firmware is what makes Analogue NT Mini worth it. It turns it into a retro 8 bit system FPGA pure old tech preservation engine. It is incredible from that perspective.
Hlaford Blodcyning
It can play other 8-bit consoles, like the GameBoy, Master System, ColecoVision, Atari 2600. Someone said they were making adapters for it so you can even play the original carts for those systems as well.
Wade Schipprack adapters are on the roadmap though they do not exist yet.
That thing looks great but 500$? Mama Mia!
RIP Adam West :(
With the cartridge slot being so tight, it'd be good to have an eject function.
Jack mcslay.
There is a big difference in fpga vs software emulation with respect to audio quality, video resolution /quality and input lag. I have tested multiple snes and nes software emulators and compared them to original hardware. All have significant problems. I test them using a bvm crt with wired controllers and use the manual lag test with 240p test suite. Nestopia had the best audio and video quality but it suffered from over 3 frames lag vs 0.5 frames with actual hardware
Thanks for the great review! It'd be cool to see another video going over all the other system cores like Master System and Gameboy that I have developed for the nt mini though. I'm that "individual" at 13:03 hehe. Also btw, the gold system was the original NT and not the mini, and I don't think it's for sale any more.
You are a God among mortals. Hopefully you finish the Intellivision core some day for it. I have a mini and your cores made it worth every penny and then some.
I love Batman on the NES, it's my favorite nes game of all time, I've beaten it 402 times without dying.
...and I’ve tried playing it twice and didn’t like it.
NT mini nes 500$
Regular NES 40$
E shop 5 $ per game
Emulator 0$
What’s an E shop?
Fuck emulation.
Like Ryan mentioned, there are third party updates which can add new features to the nt, one of them being Kevtris', and it adds coleco vision, atari 2600/7800, game gear/master system, original game boy, aamong others. Granted it's not official, it's developed by the very person who worked on the nt's native firmware, so quality is not an issue. With all those features in consideration, i think it makes the analogue nt worth it's price.
The Rolls Royce of NES consoles.
MrTrill409 So true
MrTrill409 The Lamborghini of NES Consoles.
both lamborginis as rolls royces are overpriced stupid showoffitems nobody needs.
I’m getting the new and improved version 😎
Somebody should definitely make an edit of this video, but with QVC/HSN-style info banners added on the side and bottom.
That's hilarious. I'm guessing you mean like those product commercials that are an hour long?
Maybe. One of the television channels that just sells things live all day long. If you search "QVC screen" on Google Images, that's exactly what I mean.
I listened to this video while cooking dinner and it sounded exactly like I was listening to QVC.
But does it have blast processing?
Goodwill Sony Trinitron : 20 dollars. NES console : 50 dollars. DONE.
Neither tested. Neither guaranteed. And both rare to find.
if people decide against emulation for authenticity, why not buy an original nes and an old crt tv? it doesn't get more authentic than that and i doubt it will cost you 500 dollars.
i keep an arcade cabinet for such cases, all my retro consoles play there as they were meant to be...
Not everyone wants to deal with heavy CRTs. Plus the Analogue NT has so many cool features.
I agree, why not use a regular NES. Buut... People don't want a CRT.
Most don't want two TV:s in their livingroom, some don't even have space for another TV in front of their couch.
no input lag ----- modern TV
choose one
You can find LCDs with low input lag. Not CRT level good, but still good enough for a lot of twitch sensitive games.
casual translation: エキスパンダ = e-ki-su-pa-n-da = expander (famicom disk expander on the back of Analogue)
The Nintendo subscription Ryan is talking about does not offer access to Virtual Console games forever as long as you pay, it apparently only offers access to a few games that month, after that month the games will be swapped by others. So you can only access them for that specific month.
Half a stack to play NES thats clinically insane! With 500 you can get a multi retro console plus retro games that span various systems I would never pay half a stack just to play 8 bit games WTF?
I like how Ryan was hinting about using it for emulation with the SD.
Ryan Schott That's what I'd use it for, but my homebrew Wii already does this and then some.
Jesus!
But it's impressive how much love somebody put into keeping the NES games alive!
Why all the downvotes? Mike and Ryan are doing a good job here!!
I think the guy who made the FPGA Kevtris released the updates to add additional functionality (i think it can play other systems running games of sd card)
Thanks for restocking the Blurays on Amazon!
The individual you refer to releasing firmwares to add functionality and extra cores, was the one who designed the entire system, Kevtris.
Here the thing. I own the original systems. I like playing cartridges on the actual system it was made for. That's just how I am. That's why I never got a Retron 5. I want the actual system,controls,the feel and the complications that Come with it. It what I grown up with. hitting the reset button 100 times to get it to work. it's nostalgic to me.
I have one of the original Analogue NTs and a AVS. I would recommend the AVS. It's more affordable and the customer support was way better. I have had some display issues with the NT. Maybe I am a unique case, but it doesn't matter. When you pay $500 for a system, you shouldn't have issues. I was able to figure out a way around the issues (with NO help from the analogue people). With the AVS I have spoke to them at conventions and bought other products from retrousb and as a company they are just way better. Additionally, I had to wait about 8 months to get my Analogue NT. For the AVS it was about a week. Both are great products, but the Analogue is just not worth it for even the most extreme retro video game fans. If you have the money to throw around, you can give it a chance. You probably won't be disappointed. But there are other options out there.
Also to add on the controllers, the 8bitdo controller and wireless dongle are both fantastic! You can buy them separately and I love them. They also offer an SNES variant. You don't need a special console to use them. They work on the original NES and SNES.
spent $40 on a retron 2 nes/snes. Not built like a tank with all the bells and whistles, but it plugs in and plays great.
So the only advantage compared to the avs is the video scaling options and rca connector.
if apple made an nes
piplup2009 the truth on this is overwhelming.
THIS XD
The bezels aren't big enough
This one probably has a heaphone jack.
Yup, But without the quality
My teacher has the Nintendo classic and he connected it to the smart TV and now I realize how awesome he is.😂😂😂
For that money I would realy want much better case quality here. The backside with the output is looking rubbish...
MetalJesusRocks was just talking about the controllers. You guys should get together with him one episode! (I know it's hard since he lives on the West Coast)
MJR is a corporate shill.
Well my Retro Freak only does 780p hdmi *BUT* it plays 12 different system. NES, FC, SNES, SFC, GEN, MD, GB, GBC, GBA, PCE, TG16, and SGX and if you know what you are doing you can put the Famicom Disk System.
It has a mini sd slot as well to save your games. I don't mean save your game play (yea it does that) I mean save your game to the system and play without the cart. Yes this allows roms to play on the system along with a cheat system and you can add rom patches to your games. So if you want to play Famicom Contra but you only have the US version you can patch it or find the Famicom rom.
I like Ryan's hair this way
"Nintendo needs to up his game on the sub service"
Well, the Switch NES virtual console games that you subscribe for will have Over-The-Internet Multiplayer added to them.That's a definite and awesome improvement.
I'm really kind of shocked and disappointed that you guys (Ryan and Mike) spent so little time and research actually putting the machine through its paces. So much of what you spent time on was discussing marketing specs and surface features of this machine. This is an extremely capable video game console, far beyond every other competing NES system, by design. Not only can it play original cartridges, but it can also play imports, translations, homebrews, and any other kind of ROM by loading them from the SD card slot, a massive feature that got the most minor of mentions in the least verbose manner. Beyond that, the officially unofficial jailbreak firmware allows this same console (FOR NO EXTRA CHARGE) to quickly re-program the FPGA chip in order to make it run 19 of the other 8-bit consoles on the market in the 80s and 90s. That makes this machine 21-consoles-in-1. I am really looking forward to the followup video, where you demonstrate the expansion video cables you order from MonoPrice, and demonstrate the alternate FPGA cores running all those alternate systems.
Essentially this is an actual hardware reproduction of the NES/Famicom, that runs ROMs directly on the hardware without any kind of emulation and has several improvements such as menus, numerous outputs including HDMI, Full Famicom support... You know... They could make a cheap $100 version in the form of a PCI Express card for PCs... But the people that buy this kind of stuff are people that are already predisposed to spend more so they decided to make a more premium product.
I found a NES Mini yesterday at Walmart in Argentina for $185, now I see this for $500... c'mon! Hope the Switch online service works fine, since there is where I'll be playing NES classics.
Shopping channel vibe, but love you guys. Keep the great work.
Raspberri Pie3 with retropie, any game, any system 50$
I have the 8bitdo controller separately and I kind of hate it. Because: bluetooth.
Using it with USB is great but with bluetooth it's, well, bluetooth. It never seems to work right.
Got the new nt mini noir 😎
I'm a bit tempted by the AVS, but Nestopia is quite accurate these days.
I wouldn't necessarily call the custom firmware "third party" the guy that is releasing all the FPGA cores for the NT Mini is the same guy that made the original NES FPGA core used in the NT Mini. The added FPGA cores is what makes the NT Mini worth $500, if it wasn't for that it is definitely not worth it.
Is there a verdict on whether this has any advantages or disadvantages when compared to the AVS?
EDIT: well, the Nt supports Famicom microphone games, so that's a definite perk, but other than that, it has a bunch of extras that I don't care about (wire inputs, 1080p over 720p, SD input vs USB), so while it's the better system, it's not 300 dollars better.
Like holding an original G1 Transformer - perfect analogy! And you are the right vintage if you can imagine that :D
I wish you guys had talked about how you can play ROMs off the SD card
A $500 NES clone for that price better come with a night alone with Mike's 10 incher.
I believe Nintendos service will be a monthly fee but not actually include a library of NES games to play. You get to play ONE title per month or bi-weekly or whatever. If you want to play it after that you need to buy it.
I really appreciate Ryan's technical insight on these videos!
I'm sure the system is going to get a lot of flak for the pricetag, but I actually like that there are 'premium' options out there being produced, even if it's not for me. Not only to spur on Nintendo to work harder on their own offerings, but to really give the dedicated enthusiast something top-of-the-line to go for.
I rather spend this much on a SNES version if I ever would be crazy to do so.
How lucky you ended up.
Awesome vid, thanks. Hardware reviews are pretty cool.
This system is only for people who have RUclips money to blow...
The problem now is the carts themselves might be failing... So now we will see reprints? I mean some of those games maybe don't have copyrights anymore?
Actually, you kinda can still get a NES Mini, Aliexpress sells a clone one with 500 games on it for about $20/£20, great if you want to play them
roughly 20 years ago i had pentium 2 computer that emulated N64 games, nearly all the computers nowdays at the local tip will play all 8bit/16bit games and above. a modern web browser is more demanding by alot.
You can dig far more into the settings with even a retropie. I believe the new ones can even do 240p60 into CRT. For any naysayers, without a double blind comparison test on CRT (between retropie or emulation in general and a real NES), I am not convinced the difference from real hardware will be detectable by a player.
I can plug my regular nes into my HD tv and it works
I want one
I wonder if you could actually use a microphone to vaquish Pol's Voice in the american version of Zelda. Like if they left the code in but there was no microphone to use it.
Another side note of this system. It has an option to fix the 8 sprite limit the original NES had. Between the HDMI out and no more flickering sprites, I'd kill to have one of these some day. :)
Thanks for the impressions.
Whoah really, Super Dodgeball with no flickering? I didn't think it was possible on hardware ha
Mike looks slick today!
I would rather look below my TV and see the original console instead of an overpriced black (or Gold) box.
ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ Yup, I enjoy my share of HD games/movies/whatever, but nothing beats the time machine that is the CRT. Especially when I want a heavy dose of nostalgia. 👍🏻
Exactly!
Until they start to break down. NES will not work forever
It's not overpriced though, based on how expensive the FPGA is. I love the technology.
I love the idea of the analogue nt and avs. Due to fpga technology this is a step further from software emulation and into hardware simulation ;) I never owned and NES so the nostalgia factor of having the OG has never appealed to me.
Overpriced? Yes and no. Expensive? Yes but still affordable, as an electrical engineer I welcome innovation and options.
we need the AVGN to take a look on this .
Is that foam in the background, do you guys record in a foam covered room for better audio? :)
It seems most of the people in the comments section don't seem to realize this console is intended for people who stream or upload themselves playing NES games on a regular basis. $500 isn't going to be a big deal to these kinds of people.
Dude you guys should review the Apple pippin for an AVGN episode ! It would be classic nerd material
These well made fpga consoles got me wondering-are they better than original hardware? Are there any significant drawbacks? With all these menu options and output options it looks superior. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the nt mini and the analog nt introduse no input lag.
i really like the retros 5. I like the original nintendo but if they made a super nintendo version of this. I may buy one
like mike said, it depends on how much NES games you play... to me, 500 USD are too much since I rarely play NES at all... I mean it’s an awesome system (can’t get any better than this for your NES games), no doubt... but imagine what else you can get for 500 bucks... I bought a super NT from analogue and don’t regret it but only because I personally enjoy the games library on SNES 1000 times more than on NES and I use it at least once in a week
I am SO GLAD that I got my hands on the NES Classic ^^
It wasn’t hard unless a person was impatient.
FPGA is still emulation of hardware. A great way to emulate hardware. Leaps and bounds superior to software emulation of hardware, but an emulator nonetheless.
as for online subscribtion, you will get those nes games for X weeks and they will cycle them. you're not keeping them forever unless you really buy them
I really dont understand the dislikes I think ryan is an awesome edition to the gang.
He gets into the nitty gritty tech parts of things and I really like that.
Keep this up Mike and Ryan.
DOW2Fanboy and ryan is sexy too!
15:22 +dannycrvntz I think Ryan is talking about you here!
For way less money you can get mini PC in the size of USB stick, with Bluetooth. Hook it directly to TV, run puNES that have awesome compatibility and play using any bluetooth controller. Cheaper and emulate any system up to N64 on that mini PC.
I don't really understand the need for such devices. They're emulators! You either go with original device with all it's flaws and feature, or you have many options for emulation. With 500$ you can get a PC capable of emulating Wii U and playing Zelda: Breath of The Wild in 4K!
for me having all cables with the machine is not "a dream comes true" but normal ^^
Question: I have the Dragon Warrior (Dragon Quest) Famicom cart and I have the Super Joy II and that famicom-coloured portable garbage thing whatever it's called and both don't play the music properly. Does this thing play the audio properly for that game and for Famicom carts with custom sound hardware?
A year later, NES Classics are readily available again and still readily available two years later.
I’m sure this thing is great, but it’s obvious they overdid it and priced themselves out of the market, evidenced by it being discontinued and the follow-up consoles being far more appropriately priced. We do t need aluminum shells, all these connections and cords, and gold played jacks/connectors. Make an Nt akin to the Super Nt and Mega Sg that handles both NES/Famicom, and I’ll gladly hand you $250. I don’t want a Console Genie, I want a solid NES/Famicom for my HDTV, emulation be damned as only a last resort.
If you're gonna get the gold plated version, then get a gold plated shell for your gold cartridges. Because the "gold" carts look like crap next to the real thing.
its look reminds me of a neo geo and it has the same problem as a neo geo.
"additional capabilites" a.k.a you can load roms on an SD card
>RCA connections
>Audiophile quality
Choose one