The Original Ending of Dalek Invasion of Earth and its Problematic Monster Costume
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In this week, we take a deep dive into John's Hole to find out why filming at an open cast mine turned out to be slightly irrelevant, how Terry Nation's design ideas were ignored in the creation of his new monster, 
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Hi everyone! Just a note to clarify that the Photoshop mock-up of the final Slyther design (in the last moments in this video) is entirely speculative! All my imagination. Sorry, it wasn’t meant to be misleading! The idea was ditched before the final script was written but of course it’s true that sometimes productions move ahead on design and build without a script!
Also, huge apologies for the cock up which knocked off the last ten seconds of the end titles! I am so sorry to have done this to our wonderful Patrons! 😩
Do you think that Slyther gave the inspiration for the New Who Slitheens? The name is similar and their appearance has some elements that could be an interpretation of the earlier shape shifting monsters (they kept changing shape that is).
It kind of looked like a Cybermat!
@@colinp2238 I wonder if it was the inspiration for the Rutons???
I wish The Slyther would return in New Who. I love the idea of Daleks having “pets” as horrifically mutated and ugly as themselves.
THIS!!! And it's broken my heart since I was 11 that The Daleks series was never made. The BBC recently made a short animated version of a Daleks series based largely on David Whitaker's The Dalek Chronicles comics, and remade Mission to the Unknown with actors and everything. These were a blast but they were light, and it's high time they take it further and allow the Daleks to be the truly ruthless and genocidal nuclear, biological (Slythers and Varga Plants!!!), and chemical warfare threat they used to be in the original Doctor Who series. The Daleks of the new Doctor Who series are profoundly hamstrung from their true menace by the lighter tone of the new series combined with the Doctor's now Jesus-level powers. It doesn't help that the Daleks have long mostly been caricatures of themselves.
The heart of the Daleks is to be found in the original 1963 serial, before they became caricatures- they were much more interesting as originally conceived, not as evil but simply ruthlessly determined to survive no matter the cost. Remember- the Thals started the war! The premise of the original serial was that only one of these two peoples could now survive on Skaro. One of these tribes must be exterminated. That's a lot stronger and more nuanced and sympathetic than what they became from The Dalek Invasion of Earth on.
The Dalek voices from that initial serial were also far more full of nuance and far more conversational than they have been ever since. They would be more effective and a lot scarier and a lot less annoying to non-fanatics if they talked like this normally and save the full Nick Briggs for when the Scheiße gets real.
Doctor Who is always at its strongest when the horror element is emphasized, and not undercut by self-parody. It seems downright sexist that Jodie Whitaker as the 13th Doctor has been given a run of mostly lightweight episodes, not touching the dark depths that the previous new Doctors seem to have enjoyed, typically after an initial uneven series of silliness. She's had two mostly silly series- though the Byron/ Shelleys and Cybermen stuff etc is going in the right direction- and they're already talking of replacing her? Too soon. They need to put her through the kind of dark and rich stuff that Tennant, Capaldi, and even Smith got to enjoy by the end of their runs- the best of it among the strongest Doctor Who ever. But the Daleks now are rarely a part of that level of fear, except for the odd and excellent cameo that thinks outside the box.
These are all things that should be returned to- to make the Daleks interesting again. Interesting enough to carry their own series!
This is just some friendly advice to Nick Briggs and the rest of the Doctor Who team based on a lifetime in fear of Doctor Who (On PBS it came on after Mister Rogers and Sesame Street weekday afternoons when I got home from school in Colorado! Goddamn, the fear!!) from a former Weird Tales assistant editor under Scithers and Schweitzer.
In fact, on that note a good rule of thumb would likely be that the Daleks should be as alien and ambiguous and hard to comprehend in many respects as the Mi-Go (The Whisperer in Darkness) and Elder Ones (At the Mountains of Madness) of Lovecraft's fiction that seem in many ways to have likely inspired the Daleks- the brain jars, the shoggoth slaves (Slyther anyone?), the vast swathes of time and distance, the resurrections after long periods of stasis, the ruthless biological experiments, etc etc.
“God, what intelligence and persistence! What a facing of the incredible, just as those carven kinsmen and forbears had faced things only a little less incredible! Radiates, vegetables, monstrosities, star spawn -- whatever they had been, they were men!”
C-thu-lhu fh-tag-n R'l-yeh!!
With Russell T Davis returning as showrunner I could see him planning out new spinoffs for Doctor Who. perhaps he could return to the original idea of the Dalek spin off the destroyers? Think about it the concept of a show center around humans going to war and barely surviving against the Daleks without the doctor by there side would make a great dark gritty series.
@@Howyaduing Hells yeah! I would argue that the SSS concepts of Doctor Who and The Destroyers eventually became the Terran Federation of Blake's Seven. Which itself I consider a spinoff of Doctor Who, given who worked on it and the fact that that it was Nation's intention that the Daleks appear.
"Where there used to be the city of Manchester the Daleks cut a pit half a mile across and two miles deep."
For Manchester, that's a definite improvement.
Can confirm.
Mandolinic Naughty.
Especially now the BBC has moved there.
Council blamed the Daleks but I reckon the Salford Regeneration Scheme had just got a bit out of hand by 2150AD
In the film dalek invasion earth with Peter Cushing It was Bedfordshire I remember Peter Cushing said we can’t go to Watford the place Is crawling with daleks
There’s a slightly interesting fact about the character Craddock, in the tv version he was played by Michael Goldie, whilst on the big screen he’s portrayed by Kenneth Watson, both of whom appeared in The Wheel in space
I really love these, so much information, it's like a banquet for the enquiring mind.
They're so we'll done aren't they!
As always, there’s amazing research in these vids! Even more so than ‘official’ dvds.
Why the quotation marks? Are you implying the DVDs aren't official?
Another Great video... and is it bad that when the clip from the movie showing the mine workings popped up all I could think of was “thats the reservoir at the back!” 😁
I wish they had left the slither as it was. The original design was a bit crude but spookier. Love the fact it was specified to only be seen for a fraction of a second so the audience filled in the rest.
The way you structure and walk us through from initial script idea to finished result with asides from the production office and extra photos is what makes your work so good.
Awesome work 😁👍
Thank you!
This is crazy, that change is one of the most memorable moments of the story and its my favorite part because I love when the companions solve the problems
Lovely edition. The Dalek Invasion of Earth is the reason why Dr Who managed to last for as long as it did. After the success of this story, cancellation of the programme was never a question until a brief wobble in 66. It always amazed me that the Slyther was redesigned between its two appearances, considering how briefly it was glimpsed before it fell to its death. Terrance Dicks' novelisation apparently described it as looking like a Mire Beast on the grounds he was given its photo to describe. I get the impression she was the one who ordered its redesign, alluding to it in a memo concerning the Mire Beast. My late father used to tell me about his memories of watching his first television experiences when he bought a tv set for ourn family in 64, and as an adult, Dr Who captivated him and terrified my siblings. He remembered the Slyther very well. These random thoughts are brought to you via a cheap bottle of whisky after a long and hard week. Thanks for the diversion. And now
I don't know if it's just me but how the Slyther appears in its first form - episode 4 - is utterly terrifying... thereafter.... it is sort of lumbering and adorable.
2 dislikes? I think they may have been a couple of Kaled science and research personal who don't like being ignored for doing that genetic engineering that made many mutations on Skaro, and were probably responsible for the Slyther. ☺
Ashton's ansesstor also disliked this.
I should know cos he sells drugs down my road...
I get genuinely excited every time I see a new video in this series. Thankyou so much for your work :)
This was brilliant, as always, I always learn so much. BTW a fellow Who fan who was not aware of your work visited me just as I’d started this video and he was hooked immediately, walking by my TV like his eyes were glued to stalks, I’ve a feeling you have a new fan, haha!
Great to hear! 😀
These videos are fantastic! I love not only the depth of your research but also the dry humour you bring to the narration and pop-up text. The tongue-in-cheek references to the deus ex machina style of writing makes me chuckle.
Thank you. That’s really appreciated!
I keep saying it but these docs are superb! And what a lovely antidote to the (sadly) toxic tone of a lot of DW content on social media....... X
Thank you! 🙂
i think the toxic tone comes from the new who prog. God bless the classics.
@@Amaryllis28 Umm sorry to disagree but all the toxicity I've encountered comes from old Who fans objecting to "new" Who.....
Ahhaaaa and there we have the answer dear Marcus. . What we have now (and have had for the past couple of years) is NOT Dr.Who. Not even a shadow. Dr.Who fans are all charming fluff buckets... mind you we did kick off a bit when Peter Davison took over from Tom...And again every-time John Nathan -Turner popped up in one of his Hawaiian shirts :/
@@nygelgharrot4024 Well I can assure you I've encountered some hardcore DW "fans" that definitely aren't "charming fluff". Anyhow let's not get into this here.... Besides, I'm specifically a Dalek enthusiast more than I am a Doctor Who fan...... Cheers X
Very informative! For such a small appearance I didn't realise how loved the Slyther was! It would have been really nice to see what the movie version would have looked like considering they would have had a bigger budget to make a more convincing costume but alas it was not to be!
I have a damaged copy of the 1960s paperback book about the Daleks and it mentions the nasty local mutated wildlife of Skaro as well as the geography of the area near the Daleks' city.
I think the word I would use to describe your SUPERB videos is "nerdgasmic". Definitely a massive fez from me.
Thank you! 😂
Stalks with eyes on the end of them- a slightly tiresome feature of the first Doctor's seasons , other examples include Koquillon and the Sand Beast from The Rescue, and the Morphotons in Keys of Marinus and don't forget the mire beasts (well a bit)!
Another brilliant piece of detailed research. Fascinating stuff guys well done again!
PS: From a movie armour maker's point of view, I like your metal 'Slyther' design, it looks period. If you want a miniature steel articulated one making... I am your man. 🎯🚀 Keep up the great work.
This story was used as part of the back story of Stolen Earth in Tennant's era.
Always well researched and presented, this is quite a series, chaps. Thank you.
Thank you Kevin. That’s really appreciated!
I love these forensic-like videos, all in such excruciating detail... as if something very important/life-changing happened there once! which it did... proper analogue Dr Who. 🏆👽
I’m from Dartford and we do indeed call the location St. John’s Hall, and not just Johns Hall. I lived on London Road in the eighties. Hope this helps 😄
just gets better and better. thanks so much for you time in doing this stuff. ive got some fibreglass anyway.
Glad you liked it and thank you! I have my piece of fibreglass too!
Another great video boy's it's great to see what might of been..many thanks !
& I lived just down the road from there for a time.....Visit The Lads Of The Village Pub (One of my favorite pubs (Forget The Bull)), Stone Crossing Railway Station is closest to the Location (There's a hint of the quarry railway crossing over as you look towards Dartford & a Travelodge to stay in).
The plastic balls with bumps on were avalible from toy shops in the 1960s I had three from a cousin, two blue and one red. I think I squashed and stood on two of them, one we used for beach cricket for a few holidays. It gave good spin on a hard grass surface for cricket or in the air for rounders. but they were light and did not carry distance that well.
This is fascinating. The history of the Slyther is completely new to me as is pretty much all of this including the abyss. Whittaker's changes with Ian being pro active in diverting the bomb was a brilliant edit. Just loved watching this video. Congrats on your hard work.
Of course, the changes did leave some plot holes, but glad to see that the film version worked to correct them.
Thank you!
Another brilliant episode!
Another fantastic video. Very professionally produced and researched well done.
Thank you’
Fantastic work as usual, another treat.
Thanks!
I am so glad I found this channel!
I hope you are enjoying the videos!
This is wonderful, thank you. Is your on-screen rendering of the metallic Slyther based on research, or just speculation?
My bad! I should have made it clear that it’s pure conjecture on my part! Oops! I’m sure I’ll be answering this question over and over! 🙈 ~ Gav
@@Dalek6388 Not that you intended it, but to me, personally, it resembles an oversized, "gun metal" grey CyberMat. Sincerely, Bill
I always enjoy these videos, they are amazing
Another entertaining and enlighting episode! You're spoiling us Gavin!
Stuart my dear old chum. How right you are. Isn't this just the BEST channel. It's like having proper Dr.Who back. And of course ALL the best people come here :)
@@nygelgharrot4024 Absolutely. Where you been keeping yourself? Goodness. You've made my day. 😁
Seeing your little face smiling at me from the comments made my day too. I subscribed to your channel a few months ago. I'm well. Do drop me a line... www.nygelgharrot.co.uk We shall have a good old fashioned Scottish knees up :)
wow love these videos keep up the great work pal
You could make a 30 minute video describing paint dry and I would listen to every second of it!
Particularly fascinating for me as I live in Dartford, within two miles of where John's hole used to be.
In Genesis of The Daleks' there was a place in Davros's laboratory full of "failed" mutations.
The rubber jellyfish monster he's holding at 13.39 is the one from the Skaro swamp in the first Dalek story. I think it's from the part when the Thals are trying to enter the city by climbing the waste pipe.
Well that took me aback seeing my home town pop up at 4:08.
Superb guys as always
2:00 pieces of the small scale Chitty Chitty Bang Bang used in effects shots for the movie.
I'd love to see you do one pulling together all the info and images you have elsewhere re the very original Dalek design process. Do you think it's fair to say the design owes a lot to the ship in Quatermass and the Pit?
One about the designs for the original Dalek city would be excellent... the model was remade before filming, I think?
Maybe something about the mutants inside the casings, and their various appearences, and how they were designed and executed?
A study re the various toys, particularly in relation to their use as special effects props, would be top.
The original 60's Emporer?
Would you be up for tackling the disaster that was the New Paradigm designs? Seems to me there's a lot of personality influences (arrogance) that went on there. Or is it too recent?
Brilliant research
Fantastic as always!
This was my favorite Hartnell story. Its got so much going for it.
Finding John's Hole was somewhat difficult (more so because I forgot to look for Stone, first), but there's a Doctor Who website that has a number of locations that has an entry for it:
www.doctorwholocations.net/locations/johnsholequarry
8:01 I was not prepared for such a loud screech!
Thanks for saving us, Chesterfield!
Where exactly was the overhead runway filmed, we used to have one over the North Downs above Snodland going to the quarry at Upper Halling?
Perhaps the most famous one was in the final scene of Get Carter where it dumped coal slag into the sea. Apparently there's only one left in the country and it's due to close down.
I think the quarry the filming was done in is now the Blue Water Shopping Center, St James Lane the B2174 runs along the West side of the Blue Water site. The quarry may have been owned by Blue Circle Cement who did a lot of work in this area.
Imagine a new Dr Who story in which some very battered 1960's Daleks emerge from the Lake at Cliff Reach Blue Water with a slyther or 2, take over the police station there and start converting police officers into robomen (not much change) and no one notices.
We've seen zombies in a shopping mall but have we seen daleks in shops?
These are so weirdly enthralling. I love this series
Great video! Has Big Finish ever done an episode that fleshed out what the Slythers were? Seems like the sort of thing they’d do.
Perhaps you could do a video on who The Waking Ally (for whom Episode 5 of Dalek Invasion of Earth is named) actually was. Did it make more sense in a previous draft? A plot twist that ended up discarded?
Also, the idea of turning Earth into a giant spaceship to conquer the universe always reminded me of, funnily enough, the Futurama Video Game, where such a thing does indeed happen.
Yes! I considered covering their appearance in Big Finish, in “Masters of Earth.” I also pondered explaining the Waking Ally too, but it’s actually not very interesting! Wyler was asleep for a bit ... and then woke up! 🤣
@@Dalek6388 Wait, THAT'S who The Waking Ally is?! Had always wondered. Fantastic video as always by the way!
It's funny how the 10nth doctors Stolen Earth arc finally explained why the daleks wanted to tow the earth halfway across the universe.
Dalek 63•88 Thanks for clearing that up! Will definitely check out ‘Masters of Earth’.
And thanks for showing Raymond Cusick’s original Dalek mutant design, I’ve never seen that before - would’ve been interesting to see it realised on the screen. It appears to be gasping in surprise.
In Planet of the Daleks' the Thals accompanied by the Doctor and Jo Grant destroy a Dalek using an anti gravity lift.
Really liking the speculative Slyther
Another fab video guys. Thank you 😃
Thank you Matt!
Thank you!!!😀
Another excellent video. Although I want to prefer the original television version the plotting of the movie is superior.
Another great examination. Thanks...
Thank you!
Perhaps it's just the fleeing nature of the creature's appearance in episode four, but I think the original costume is so much more effective.
Hey I'm John Hole
Now I want the Thals to have eye-stalks too! ;)
another
Another amazingly interesting video!
Something , certainly the younger people watching this now won't have experienced. We used to watch this stuff on tv's that displayed images of 405 lines (HD what's that then?). Some of the monsters may look a bit rubbish at the high resolutions we have now but they used to look pretty scary on those grainy low res images we had back then.
Snails have 'eyes' on 'stalks', in others their antenna are probably the starting point of the alien with antenna eyes.
Cool creature kinda looks like a Hedorah precocer. Also, RIP Bill Russell and Bernie Mccribbins.
Loving your Metal Slyther design👏👏👏
Gav has done a great job with that!
Need watch Both Dalek invasions again (Hartnell and the Movie).
Don't get me wrong, I love Classic DW, but I can't say that I am very fond of fiberglass enough to want to own a bit of it, but (and I have forgotten how many times I've said it before) I would love to have a Death Zone Dalek. ☺
Well that bit of fibreglass was part of the Death Zone Dalek so it’s pretty close!
I’m always here for more plant monsters
Brilliant video! Do you know the location of the mineshaft in the Daleks Invasion Earth 2150 AD? I'm a little curious and it looks interesting! :D
Yes! Take a look at our two Shepperton videos beginning with part one here: ruclips.net/video/0yeOXBNKQts/видео.html
5:04 a troublesome truck
joyous, more please!
Hopefully more to come!
8:01 I think he need to check the sink if that's what it sounds like when water goes down it
Ah, where would Doctor Who be without quarries? :-)
I read that Doctor Who Magazine suggested Terry Nation was in the habit of naming planets after what was _going_ to happen to them (Aridus becomes a desert world, for example).
It's cute that John's Hole follows the same pattern. :-)
😝
So you are basically confirming that this epic vintage British TV series, the one that gave the 5 year old me nightmares after I watched it being broadcast for the first time all those years ago on a Saturday evening at my Grandparent's house, the same programme that I could only bear to watch while standing out in the hallway and watching through a crack in the door, was actually being made up as they went along and was a man in a boiler suit with a sheet over his head?
This creature needs to come back now with modern effects, CGI or otherwise
Where does the crawling brain at 10:58 come from?
that would have been good to have more slythers in this episode from Skaro bring them back and the varga plants sad William Russell as IAN died recently RIP and 2 years before the cybermen in 1966 that would have made maybe a good story robomen cybermen and daleks on Earth fighting for supremacy with people turned into either Robomen or Cybermen to fight and the doctor defeating all
Anyone know whereabouts in Uxbridge Shawcraft were based? I'm working in Uxbridge at the moment and it might be fun to pay a pilgrimage to the old site!
John A Shawcraft were at 69 Rockingham Road, UB8 2UA.
endofthelane1 Oh my god... thank you so much - I just Googled that road and I know exactly where it is (not far from where I'm working!) I'm SO doing that during my lunch-hour on Monday!
Also love your vids brilliant! Also I liked first.😄
Really kool stuff ;)
I appreciate that safety was a major concern but the side venting blank firing revolver used in such a dark scene was unconvincing to say the least. (See 8mins 30 secs) I guess that the slither costume was deemed too flammable for a forward venting gun. For which a firearm certificate would have been required too. Only ownership of side venting blank firing guns being permitted in the UK without a firearm certificate being required. Budget possibly didn't allow for a "Firearms Wrangler". 😉
Interesting. I’d never heard of a dude venting revolver before now! Now I get why it looks so odd!
@@Dalek6388 Dude venting? Darned auto-correct i suspect.
Ha oh yeah!
Hey! Can you do a vid on the Ogrons? They scarced the crap out of me as a kid! :-)
If we can find an interesting enough angle then yes it’s a possibility!
Lets hope that there are no complexions...
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Happy Times and Places.
The original Slyther looks a lot like the Chromoite in the 1963 OUTER LIMITS episode "The Mice." Both of them are quite frightening, and the modified Slyther isn't nearly as scary as that first design.
3:06 As if Pyramide Head and a Mirelurc had a child together. I am honestly scared.
FAB! Love it...
Oh look! Rocks!
Your version looks like a giant cybermat or should that be Dalmat😁
I thought that
Woah. As a kid I used to draw Dalek variants that I called Dalmats, basically the dome section crawling on the floor. Not thought of that in years.
@@aukondk you have copyrighted them 👍😁
Stephen Ward ooh, I like the sounds of that, not something we’ve seen before, I dong think, Dalek/Cyberman mash ups, and I bet they could do it well, now.
Fantastic
Good luck next time..terry
that was great
Again a great. Video the guy who Was in the custom is on the inward a doctor who monster video dvd. Keep it up guys this is good
Well I'll be darned, the whole video I was thinking wait until they get to the movie Slyther because it looked much better in that and then at the end you told us the Slyther was not even shown in the movie -funny how your memory plays tricks on you.
I love daleks invasion earth 2150 ad
Still looks more convincing than the Slitheen
I don't know exactly why but for some reason when watching your videos I feel like I'm watching documentaries about the JFK assassination.
Spike Milligan's Pakistani Dalek should have had a staring role in that film.... Bringing Dalek multiculturalism to Earth would have been a nice touch..