Old Composer REACTS to Ne Obliviscaris - And Plague Flowers The Kaleidoscope

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  • Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024

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  • @Kiwi_Conor
    @Kiwi_Conor 3 года назад +547

    As a, somewhat, metalhead I have to say I almost always just hear the vocals as just another instrument. I have no idea what the vast majority of songs I listen too are even about. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    • @oler00
      @oler00 3 года назад +23

      I'm full metalhead and I agree bud!!! 😁

    • @jaredryan142
      @jaredryan142 3 года назад +13

      Yep I am the same way. Even with clean vocals in metal songs I don't hear the vocals often unless I hear a phrase that stands out to me.

    • @bb-sw6ur
      @bb-sw6ur 3 года назад +45

      I used to be like that. But when I started reading lyrics I never went back. Metal songs with good lyrics go up another level for me. I also discovered that some songs I liked were actually not as good as I thought once I read the lyrics.

    • @swankykoala4836
      @swankykoala4836 3 года назад +1

      I'd say there are bands where they use the vocals like another instrument just to add some extra texture like Shylmagoghnar or for the vocals to be the main star like Angelmaker. It really depends on the band

    • @Kiwi_Conor
      @Kiwi_Conor 3 года назад +3

      @@swankykoala4836 I agree with that, but I still would usually have no idea what the song is about. I just generally don't care enough to really listen to the meaning.

  • @darkaquatus
    @darkaquatus 3 года назад +364

    The drummer actually quit a really high paying job to pursue a career as a drummer. So you know the guy is motivated beyond belief.

    • @MetalliBucket
      @MetalliBucket 3 года назад +6

      Lol what was he doing?

    • @darkaquatus
      @darkaquatus 3 года назад +73

      @@MetalliBucket He was making $150,000 a year as a train driver.

    • @darkaquatus
      @darkaquatus 3 года назад +43

      @Harja :D Locomotive engineers in Australia generally get paid substantially more than they do in the US or anywhere else, really.

    • @709mash
      @709mash 3 года назад +21

      I'm happy he did. We wouldn't have this music otherwise. Respect.

    • @Dan____
      @Dan____ 3 года назад +23

      Dan Presland is a beast!

  • @hackandslash873
    @hackandslash873 3 года назад +275

    Slowly yet surely the roads lead to Opeth (Baying of the Hounds)

    • @alandoughty1
      @alandoughty1 3 года назад +4

      Yeah I'm waiting for that too!

    • @Lleanlleawrg
      @Lleanlleawrg 3 года назад +7

      But everyone does that one. It's great, but I wish people would make more varied recommendations. For example I could suggest Forest of October by Opeth.

    • @hackandslash873
      @hackandslash873 3 года назад +11

      @@Lleanlleawrg It's just that Baying of the Hounds is the perfect introduction to the band. It kicks ass and is as edgy as f**k but also has haunting beauty and instant hooks galore. The first time I heard it I was thinking "this is the best music I've ever heard!" and has remained so. Hessian Peel would be my next favourite track. I do love Forest of October though for sure.

    • @alandoughty1
      @alandoughty1 3 года назад +3

      @@Lleanlleawrg They do it's true, but I think the decomposer would do it better!
      I'd like to see many others too though. Windowpain, Eternal Rains Will Come, Heart In Hand to name a few that haven't had the love they deserve.

    • @Dwendele
      @Dwendele 3 года назад +9

      I'd be happy with Blackwater Park, Face of Melinda and In My Time of Need.

  • @emilyparrish1242
    @emilyparrish1242 3 года назад +22

    I can confirm this song is incredibly faithfully reproduced live. It’s absolutely stunning.

  • @RiannaQueen
    @RiannaQueen 3 года назад +59

    The violinist, Tim Charles, is the clean singer, too.
    The harsh vocalist, Xenoyr, writes the lyrics and created the artwork you saw, too.
    They play like this, live, too, no difference in quality at all. I have seen them perform this song 11 times and it's always flawless. 🖤

  • @mattj1871
    @mattj1871 3 года назад +229

    2 guitarists. 2 vocalists. The clean vocalist is also the violinist. And the growling vocalist is the primary composer. And yes, the drummer is killing it the whole time. On a 2nd or 3rd listen do the live in Denver video to SEE the insane level of musicianship.

    • @Spaztiq
      @Spaztiq 3 года назад +18

      This is my first experience with this band, and I ENTHUSIASTICALLY agree. I will absolutely watch you react to this song again with the live version; I want to see your face when you witness what I just saw. Insane musicianship indeed! Here's the link (It's pro shot, too)-> ruclips.net/video/rNuVdsx7qJY/видео.html
      (omg, they out-One'd One.... Lars who?)

    • @leerobbo92
      @leerobbo92 3 года назад +12

      Had no idea the harsh vocalist was the primary composer too, that's insane! Always assumed it would've been one of the instrumentalists, since they're all so bloody talented.

    • @deed5811
      @deed5811 3 года назад +7

      Tim Charles, violin and clean vocals, cheerful.
      Xenoyr, harsh vocals and goth vampire.
      The contrasts between these 2 is amazing on multiple levels.

    • @silverkyrie4714
      @silverkyrie4714 3 года назад +15

      The growling vocalist (Xenoyr) isn't the primary composer iirc. He is the one who writes all the lyrics and does all the artwork though, and I believe has directed some of their music videos. But each musician in the band composes their own parts, and the clean singer composes most of his own vocal lines, just not the lyrics for them.

    • @nickhaas9185
      @nickhaas9185 3 года назад +1

      @@silverkyrie4714 is this from an interview?

  • @Qyngali
    @Qyngali 3 года назад +243

    I read all the comments looking for mentions that this song is included in a teaching curriculum at the Sydney Conservatorium of Music, one of Australia’s most prestigious classical Conservatories. The song will undergo a compositional analysis by Professor Matthew Hindson. :)
    If you copy everything from "teaching" above you'll find the article about it.
    Usually someone (or several people lol) mention this in the comments so I thought I'd keep the tradition going. I bet someone else has done it while I type this out haha. Pretty cool story though, and since you're a composer yourself... well you get the idea.

    • @LightBringer666
      @LightBringer666 3 года назад +13

      i had the privilege of meeting the band backstage after a concert in toronto (they were touring with Wintersun and Sarah Longfield, who i also met) and asking about that. they seemed oblivious to the fact. either they really were and it was a nice moment finding out, or they were pretending to be oblivious to be humble about it.

    • @manleyfgc7981
      @manleyfgc7981 3 года назад +6

      I see this get thrown around quite often as well. It may sound like the highest honors but it isn’t actually that big of a deal. In conservatories we study everything. I’ve even analyzed that cheesy Halloween song, “the monster mash.” It is definitely cool that the song is being analyzed at the collegiate level, but college music majors will study hundreds of pieces by the time they are done with their bachelors.

    • @billybobthekidiswack
      @billybobthekidiswack 3 года назад +5

      @@LightBringer666 I remember in an interview they said they didn't know there music was being studied at Sydney conservatorium of music until a fan mentioned it to them.

    • @LightBringer666
      @LightBringer666 3 года назад +7

      @@billybobthekidiswack damn... so it could have been me huh? nice!

    • @dontbothertoreply9755
      @dontbothertoreply9755 Год назад

      oh, I saw a couple of everything in music appreciation, I heard some horrible s there my friend.

  • @dimitriid
    @dimitriid 3 года назад +200

    There's only 1 rule on metal: there are no rules. And it's not just a small jest there's so much diversity in metal as a genre that you can pretty much find bands that break almost any preconceived notion and only have a few common denominators when it comes to tracing back influences but that's about it.

    • @KarRuptAssassin
      @KarRuptAssassin 3 года назад +16

      Seconded. Genres are more of a general idea of what youre going to get for each band in that section, but there are no set 'rules' and experimentation is pretty much always welcomed unless you find some elitist pricks

    • @raen19
      @raen19 3 года назад +11

      @@KarRuptAssassin Completely agree with these guys. There are some pretentious elitists out there who define their own arbitrary rules as to how things should be, within their narrow little parameters. But honestly, if it works musically then it can be included in metal. There's really no restriction at all. Innovation is how metal grows.

    • @PuReDeR
      @PuReDeR 3 года назад +7

      And anyone saying otherwise is a gatekeeping elitist

    • @weedsmokinmetalhead
      @weedsmokinmetalhead 3 года назад +3

      Been a metalhead for 30 something years and definitely agree with all of you! So many people get caught up in the genre debate and loose focus on what the fuck metal is all about, awesome music and awesome people (mostly) 😅 yeah just like Karupt said, same for me, genres are just more if a way to sort of describe a band to someone...otherwise all you'd ever say is "oh yeah you should check out "insert band here" they sound sorta...badass....and yeah and also listen to "band" they sound more like...badass...." 🤣

    • @davidrosensin7985
      @davidrosensin7985 3 года назад +3

      @@weedsmokinmetalhead As a metalhead nearly as long as you, I'd just like to add that it's more than 'getting caught up in the genre debate' as Metal by and large has one of the most toxic communities I've ever been a part of. Some absolutely amazing people out there, but to this day it baffles me how people who love a genre of music generally regarded by most of the world as "just noise' can be so close minded in their own views.

  • @Jason17300
    @Jason17300 3 года назад +150

    It’s mostly (99.9%) in the muting technique of the guitarist. We spend a lot of practice time making sure no string noise is happening where we don’t want it.

    • @KeyOfGeebz
      @KeyOfGeebz  3 года назад +22

      Are you two hand muting?

    • @davidbright9370
      @davidbright9370 3 года назад +2

      The most precise palm muting ive ever heard 🔥🔥🔥

    • @DivinosSigma1
      @DivinosSigma1 3 года назад +7

      @@KeyOfGeebz In a sense. The actual quality of the sound is produced with the picking hand, by laying the side of the palm across the strings at the bridge of the guitar. (Palm muting)
      The flavour of the notes are then done with muting techniques on the fretting hand.

    • @desmondcole4300
      @desmondcole4300 3 года назад +14

      @@KeyOfGeebz I try to mute with everything I have haha. Noise gates are pretty ubiquitous, but they are typically set as low as possible so it doesn't prematurely cut off any notes. They are mostly used to reduce hiss and control feedback. Though some bands seem to have pretty extreme noise gate settings. One other thing to consider... often times these heavy tones aren't as overdriven as you might think. Double/quad tracking, the bass tone, and the mix contributes to perceived distortion.

    • @Jaymzmiller
      @Jaymzmiller 3 года назад +6

      @@KeyOfGeebz It's 2-hand muting and absolutely no reverb. Reverb is the bane of those kind of 'machine gun' 16th-note riffs. If you know Metallica's song "One", the outro riff, it uses the same thing - and Metallica's producers always insisted on No Reverb for their earlier albums.

  • @victors.6255
    @victors.6255 3 года назад +16

    Their live version is just as incredible.

  • @thomasbriggs6667
    @thomasbriggs6667 3 года назад +177

    Please listen to Rivers of Nihil-Where Only Owls Know My Name!

    • @brunocosta6849
      @brunocosta6849 3 года назад +3

      Oh I can't support this sugestion enough! IMHO one of the future metal torch holders, crazy underated band, they are one of my favourite metal bands!

    • @shlarpy
      @shlarpy 3 года назад +1

      Seconded! Oh sweet he already has

    • @CatalystOfFire
      @CatalystOfFire 3 года назад +2

      He did it!

  • @blazehnt
    @blazehnt 3 года назад +106

    Another band that is really awesome that people normally dont know is "Be'Lakor", I think you should give them a chance, their song "Countless Skies" its a masterpiece and every album is amazing, even their first that the sound design isnt the best.

    • @christopherblowers443
      @christopherblowers443 3 года назад +14

      One of my favorites. One of the best melodeth bands of all time!

    • @Stirptstille
      @Stirptstille 3 года назад +14

      Sad I can't like more than once!

    • @TheOrthoglyph
      @TheOrthoglyph 3 года назад +6

      I'd personally go with The Desolation of Ares, but anything would be solid.

    • @danntheman865
      @danntheman865 3 года назад +5

      Solidarity brother. The new album should be upon us soon

    • @AbominationalFailure
      @AbominationalFailure 3 года назад

      Love Be'Lakor, if you like them for sure check out the album Cruse of the Red River by Barren Earth, its a masterpiece.

  • @Kerosian1
    @Kerosian1 3 года назад +95

    Solos really depend on sub genre or the general "scene" that music comes from. A lot of the more metalcore and deathcore guys don't have solos just coming from the hardcore punk their genre was influenced by. Most of the others coming from thrash, like death metal, or prog, like progressive metal and djent will have solos in abundance. Some really notable examples would be Necrophagist, Meshuggah, The Faceless. Regarding the palm muted tone, its a combination of gates, generally active pickups, and very practiced muting technique in both hands (left hand will typically "slap" the fretboard at the end of each grouping, while the heel or palm of the right hand mutes the string). Chops are sort of a prerequisite for most of this sort of music, from everyone; and theres not much money in it, so everyone you hear has an incredible passion for music.

    • @KeyOfGeebz
      @KeyOfGeebz  3 года назад +28

      Thanks - i really appreciate your sharing! 🤙

    • @reaver55666
      @reaver55666 3 года назад +4

      I was going to comment "as a musician..." but you, my friend, nailed everything I had to say. kudos

    • @Kerosian1
      @Kerosian1 3 года назад +1

      same here friend. Been playing death metal drums about 10 years now, currently play with a tech death band.

  • @jbasti227
    @jbasti227 3 года назад +13

    One of the compositional masterpieces of our time imo

  • @alexfrank6534
    @alexfrank6534 3 года назад +68

    Rivers of Nihil- The Silent Life!! Man you will LOVE THIS TRACK

    • @thomasbriggs6667
      @thomasbriggs6667 3 года назад +9

      That or Where Only Owls Know My Name. He just needs to hear both, hah.

    • @QcPamplemousse
      @QcPamplemousse 3 года назад

      Yeahh that's a good pick, love me some Rivers

    • @alexfrank6534
      @alexfrank6534 3 года назад

      @@thomasbriggs6667 just not with the video! I like the video but i hate it for reactions

    • @ZuccAF
      @ZuccAF 3 года назад

      would love to see him check out subtle changes aswell. wished that more people would react to that aswell

    • @Y0gSogg0th
      @Y0gSogg0th 3 года назад

      @@ZuccAF God yes. Subtle Change is a fucking masterpiece. Some of the best prog metal ever written.

  • @jen.g.
    @jen.g. 3 года назад +83

    The “solo rule”: depends on who you ask and what they listen to.
    Maybe some Leprous sometime? Different than NeO, but still great.

  • @sandrasilver16
    @sandrasilver16 3 года назад +109

    React to Wintersun - "Sons of winter and stars" or "Time"

    • @TeknoWarMachine
      @TeknoWarMachine 3 года назад +1

      Dude yes! The live studio one's. You absolutely HAVE to.

    • @Sekilloda
      @Sekilloda 3 года назад +1

      Please, the remastered studio session of Sons of Winter and Stars, it's mind-blowing

  • @saaranshkulkarni2350
    @saaranshkulkarni2350 3 года назад +46

    Forget Not by Ne Obliviscaris is another gem ... de Composer's delight!

  • @dahlia2241
    @dahlia2241 3 года назад +17

    I believe it was this track that was selected to be used as a teaching coriculum for composition at the sydney school of music. These guys are amazing and I've been a loyal fan since this album came out.

  • @cipbarbu
    @cipbarbu 3 года назад +12

    The thing with solos, in the newer metal sub-genres, comes with the fact that these bands tried to bring something new to the table, getting more influences, in terms of message and attitude, from hip-hop and rap, electronic music, sometimes going back to the roots of punk. Most of these bands started from scratch from a basement, as actual and true underground bands, you now basically see teenagers killing it on their instruments, being all downtune and aggressive, so I think some bands use this excuse that solos are a thing of the past, "grandpa's guitar".
    As a guitar player in a band, I can also confirm that the dynamics in metal bands doesn't always allow for the group to get to the next level where you can refine your compositions, sometimes there are egos, sometimes people are lazy and so on. We sometimes spend more time arguing than doing meaningful work.
    But as the "new" metal scene grew and became more mature, solos started making their way back into music, being performed by by increasingly skilled and virtuoso guitar players. And they seem to take it to a whole new level, no more old-time shredding in the style of the great hair-metal guys (Yngwie Malmsteen, Paul Gilbert, Vinnie Moore, Satriani, and the list goes on), but something which is either derivative from these roots, sometimes completely new approaches, sometimes both. Look for Tosin Abasi and his band Animals as Leaders for some truly revolutionary approach to modern metal.
    So yeah, solos are good, whoever says they are lame, can piss off.

  • @AlterSchwedeWieGeil
    @AlterSchwedeWieGeil 3 года назад +35

    Generally in metal every genre is allowed solos.
    It's just that there are so many different genres, that solos are usually limited to a certain style or otherwise the band would be categorised in a different genre.
    As an example if your playing fast ascending and descending licks in a Doom metal band on a regular basis you probably wouldn't be categorised as a Doom metal metal band but more likely as a Technical Doom Metal or Progressive Doom Metal Band.

    • @bartoszbartosiewicz1123
      @bartoszbartosiewicz1123 3 года назад +4

      There is definitely no yes or not anserw, but rather what is the purpose of the solo i would say.
      Some genres like to keep them as rare as possbile either focusing on the rythic aspect or overall mood of the music, others use it as a way to give small accents, and others go balls in on technical (or some could even call it show off) stuff.
      As fo Ne Obliviescaris they can be somewhat classified as a progressive metal bad which has only one rule of "there are no rules".

    • @makjak111
      @makjak111 3 года назад

      I am thinking grind core is the only one with 0 solos

    • @LegiTTxBoss
      @LegiTTxBoss 3 года назад

      @@makjak111 check out Gridlink if you haven't already. Or any band that Takafumi Matsuraba has played with in general

  • @brianflynn4
    @brianflynn4 3 года назад +29

    Also, please don't change a thing, hearing intelligent analysis of music I've been listening to for a long time really lets me vicariously hear it for the first time again(ish). Finally watched your whole reaction to this song, man do you and I see music the same way, so awesome to listen to someone who thinks so much like I do!

  • @quinnparker9274
    @quinnparker9274 2 года назад +8

    Ne Obliviscarus has been one of my favorites recently, and I really enjoyed rediscovering them through this video! I would recommend "Devour Me, Colossus (Part 1): Black Holes" as my absolute favorite track of theirs, but I also love anything off of their album 'Urn'!

  • @facelesscovers763
    @facelesscovers763 3 года назад +17

    The clean vocalist is named Tim charles, he's also the violinist, the screaming vocalist writes a lot of the music for the band and was the primary key in forming the band.

  • @Rassalcon
    @Rassalcon 3 года назад +45

    The section between 5:15 and 8:15 in the song is quite possibly my all time favourite musical passage, absolute perfection. the reason you don't hear the violin at the end of the song is because the violinist is also the clean vocalist, so you don't hear both happening at the same time in most of their songs

  • @scotthughes2687
    @scotthughes2687 3 года назад +27

    This is the first reaction to this song I’ve seen that really gives the bass playing such great credit and analysis, and I’ve seen many since I first got into this band a few years ago! Salute, sir.

  • @Ichthyodactyl
    @Ichthyodactyl 3 года назад +19

    I can definitely relate. I felt exhausted after I listened to this song the first time and not because it wasn't enjoyable it was just A LOT to process.

  • @footnotedrummer
    @footnotedrummer 3 года назад +22

    I'm SOOO glad that you reviewed this tune. It's a masterpiece. I loved it so much when it came out, that I did a little research on it, and it turns out that they actually use this in a composition class at the Australian Conservatorium of Music. Amazing tune!

  • @wizarddragon
    @wizarddragon 3 года назад +22

    you have become one of my favorite youtube reaction channels. You have the knowledge to really understand and appreciate metal. Please continue down this Rabbit hole of Metal. From someone who has spent 35 years in this rabbit hole, you have no clue how vast it is and how much undiscovered Musical art exists in this world.

  • @larbremord
    @larbremord 2 года назад +6

    This song is just TOTALLY amazing! really! It's such a masterpiece! I saw them live once and just thinking about it gives me goosebumps

  • @dimitriid
    @dimitriid 3 года назад +7

    Also to answer your question yes: Most metal players use just a combination of noise gates and palm muting technique. It's one of the first things any metal guitarist learns and practice the most when it comes to metal rhythm guitar: Guitar players practice palm muting tremolo picking, drum players practice double kicks and singers either really high notes or screaming.

  • @Arcterion
    @Arcterion 3 года назад +14

    In most traditional metal genres there's usually one or two solos per song, sometimes more if it's a particularly melodic genre (power, progressive, the symphonic genres, etc.), or if it's a long track. Metalcore, on the other hand, generally swap them in favor of breakdowns, although there's bands that incorporate solos as well.
    Great reaction, by the way. This band is absolutely brilliant. :) Oh, and check out their live version of this song sometimes, it's just as great as the studio version.

  • @Mandelgroove72
    @Mandelgroove72 Год назад +1

    "I listen to the singer or singers as an instrument" This is how I have always listened to music. Love your interpretations. Keep riding the waves 🌊

  • @ohhimarg
    @ohhimarg 3 года назад +56

    You should check out the live video of Heilung performing Krigsgaldr. That will blow you away.

    • @vicariotamara808
      @vicariotamara808 3 года назад +3

      That's for sure. He'll never expect somethin' like that :D

    • @christopherblowers443
      @christopherblowers443 3 года назад

      Oh ya

    • @christopherblowers443
      @christopherblowers443 3 года назад +2

      I love everything they do.

    • @Skraeling1000
      @Skraeling1000 3 года назад +3

      I'd be interesting to see what Geebz makes of it from a composer's viewpoint, given that it feels very organic, tribal, and deceptively simple.

    • @Ichthyodactyl
      @Ichthyodactyl 3 года назад

      Yee

  • @81Shagrath
    @81Shagrath 3 года назад +7

    The drummer Dan Presland, has a playthrough video of this on his channel ;) Absolutely worth checking out.

  • @420NEWYcod
    @420NEWYcod 3 года назад +6

    You should also do the live version of this song! Dan Presland is my favorite drummer. Very underrated.

  • @toughy9450
    @toughy9450 2 года назад +10

    Time to revisit these guys. Pyrrhic is so very underrated as a tune.

    • @giacomogiliberti2673
      @giacomogiliberti2673 Год назад +1

      The buildup and the climax in that song are incredible

    • @sabero5668
      @sabero5668 Год назад +2

      The only criticism I can personally make of it is that it is the only point in Citadel I was able to temporarily pick my jaw off the floor. On its own its a masterpiece but when placed between Painters and Devour Me, Colossus it gets overshadowed. If these guys can write a bad song they haven't shown it yet.

  • @FatCandyProduction
    @FatCandyProduction 3 года назад +29

    Being an engineer, I think you can really appreciate TesseracT - Hexes. Amazing mix and sound engineering, technical music but with the technicality a bit less at the forefront.
    Good réactions man. You really know your things and pick up on the less obvious things in a mix like the bass in this one! Much appreciated!

  • @christopherblowers443
    @christopherblowers443 3 года назад +18

    Vektor- recharging the void baby

  • @fostena
    @fostena 3 года назад +14

    It's 2AM here in Italy, but I have listen to what Key of Geebz has to say.

  • @gwildor
    @gwildor 3 года назад +6

    My old friend Dan is the drummer in this band :)

    • @KingSaintClair
      @KingSaintClair 3 года назад

      Well... does his legs cramp up?

    • @darkstar8196
      @darkstar8196 3 года назад

      He's a killer drummer dude

    • @Kerosian1
      @Kerosian1 3 года назад

      @@KingSaintClair probably not. To play this kinda double bass you have to be really relaxed. It might seem counter-intuitive, but relaxed is the way to go fast. He's letting the spring of the bass pedal and the rebound from the head do most of the work, his ankle just controls that sweet spot of rebound. Same with the hands, its oddly meditative to play death metal drums.

  • @brendanjurd3225
    @brendanjurd3225 3 года назад +1

    You're not wrong about the bass, when I've seen NeO live, the bass player is my favourite guy to watch for big chunks of it. They are all incredible of course. Wherever you look on the stage, everybody is doing something crazy talented.

  • @Dollaroz
    @Dollaroz 3 года назад +10

    In this order ;)
    A perfect Circle (Maynard) - Judith
    Tool - wings for Marie Pt1 + 10000 days (Wings Pt2) *listen to Pt1/2 together

    • @trevorwalden6097
      @trevorwalden6097 3 года назад

      Dude, yes! He would love 10000 days! As someone who doesn't initially look at the lyrics, the order might not matter

  • @antoliimayra1356
    @antoliimayra1356 Год назад +1

    As a classical composer you are quite the metal head. You break it down so well

  • @mattj1871
    @mattj1871 3 года назад +9

    Never clicked a video so fast. This is gonna be awesome!

  • @brycenstratton7581
    @brycenstratton7581 4 месяца назад

    The live video shows the bass player so well he def deserves more credit

  • @noneofyourbusiness3288
    @noneofyourbusiness3288 3 года назад +4

    The thing about this song that impresses me the most is how cleverly they use the base to carry the song from the acoustic sound of the intro to the electric sound of the rest of the song. That transition of style is seamless and I think that only works because the bass is very prominent in that part and forms a solid foundation upon which the rest of the band can shift about without making the song feel unstable if that makes sense.
    Also: if you are into interesting arrangements, Folk/pagan-metal might be something for you: bands like Eluveitie have a huge number of different instruments ranging from hurdy gurdy, flute and bag-pipes to multiple vocalists and electrical guitars.

  • @stacey_spooks
    @stacey_spooks 2 года назад +2

    Oh wow! No one ever reacts to these guys! They are great. My husband’s band, Anabasis, actually got to direct slot open for these guys on their US tour for their 2017 album in Syracuse, NY. Was a great little show in the tour. And yes they are that good live🤯

  • @diegosolis9681
    @diegosolis9681 3 года назад +1

    Man! That was amazing! Thanks for doing this!
    Just early I asked for it, thanks for reading the comments man!
    About what you asked:
    It depends on the sub-genre. This is Progressive Melodic Death Metal, it's pretty normal to have solos.
    In sub genres like metalcore (mostly deathcore), it's normal not to have solos, but there are bands that do them in a couple songs.
    The thing with metal is that it's sub-gernres are vast and sometimes extremely similar and the purist get angry when you confuse them. But don't pay attention to those pricks, you'll definetly see them around here so don't pay too much attention to them, they can get very rude.
    I would also like to recommend some death-core. A song called: Reing of Darkness by Thy Art Is Murder. You are going to be blown away by the drumming and the vocals.

  • @lizardking9529
    @lizardking9529 3 года назад +2

    I'll never forget the first time I heard this song. My face is still melting. What a masterpiece.

  • @ShiivaWilding
    @ShiivaWilding 3 года назад +9

    Twelve Foot Ninja - Coming For You

    • @swoopeth
      @swoopeth 3 года назад

      Oh that’s great, ta!

  • @FinneousPJ1
    @FinneousPJ1 3 года назад +3

    I literally cried when I saw them live.

  • @jackiemesa7541
    @jackiemesa7541 10 месяцев назад

    They played it live the other night and it sounded just as good. ❤🤯🙌 Thanks for your reaction and perspective!

  • @brodieknight772
    @brodieknight772 3 года назад +1

    These guys play all their live shows to the tee. It's perfect. Sounds just like the studio performance.

  • @GalegHelross
    @GalegHelross 3 месяца назад

    Such a wonderful song.

  • @mikebrown600
    @mikebrown600 3 года назад

    Good to see that an intelligent and musically knowledgeable ‘reactor’ brings with him intelligent and musically knowledgable listeners and their comments.

  • @mattyone78
    @mattyone78 3 года назад +17

    Great reaction mate, now do yourself a favour and watch the live in Colorado version to see them doing this live.

    • @Drator6
      @Drator6 3 года назад +1

      Agreed- I was really hoping it was the live version.

    • @klasnm_5364
      @klasnm_5364 3 года назад

      @@Drator6 me too

  • @christopherblowers443
    @christopherblowers443 3 года назад +3

    This song was the first i heard from the band. I was sold in the first 10 seconds

  • @dot8943
    @dot8943 3 года назад +26

    Please react to Opeth. Your engineering insight into one of their pieces would be super interesting! Great video!

  • @Chaoslorden
    @Chaoslorden 2 года назад +1

    This album belongs in a museum of what mankind can achieve. When it came out, I was blown away and listened to it non stop for weeks. Its still my fav Neo album.
    Other records that got put that year, 2012 that are really good are Atoma, skylight and Borknagar, Urd. You should look those up and see if you find anything tasty to your liking.

  • @mindmachinepsy
    @mindmachinepsy 3 года назад +8

    The thing with those Palm mutes is simply that it is NOT everything on 11. For a tight sound you need to dial back the gain, have an amp that is designed to be tight or put a tube screamer/eq in front of it to tighten up the lowend. There is no way to get it that tight with gain up to 11. It's pretty much a noobtrap, something beginners do and then wonder why their sound is just noise 😁

  • @Auriel713
    @Auriel713 3 года назад +4

    I was SO EXCITED when I woke up this morning to see this in my feed.

    • @KeyOfGeebz
      @KeyOfGeebz  3 года назад +1

      Hope you enjoyed it! When I read that you were deployed I stopped what I was doing and went straight for it. THANK YOU for being there for me, us!🤙🤙

  • @Enkelriktad123
    @Enkelriktad123 2 года назад +1

    This is my favorite piece of music (song) ever created no doubt. First time i heard this i listened to it multiple times a day for about half a year im not kidding.

  • @neuro9185
    @neuro9185 3 года назад +1

    Best song in Metal history, listened to it at least 500 times and it still gives me thrills.

  • @arronknox2884
    @arronknox2884 3 года назад +9

    there is no rule with music, you just go with what you feel.

  • @Censeo
    @Censeo 3 года назад +1

    Not only do I love the base, but I love the choise of mixing

  • @alvvayssleepy
    @alvvayssleepy Год назад

    Easiest like and sub ive ever dispensed. I really, thoroughly enjoy your attention to the details of this piece. You should watch their live play of this song! Its INSANE! They are just as good as they are in the studio.

  • @hevis6638
    @hevis6638 3 года назад +1

    My favorite Ne Obliviscaris song is Pyrrhic. The buildup towards the end is just mind blowing. You should check it out if you haven't already.

  • @driiifter
    @driiifter Год назад

    Your breakdown of the violin playing in the beginning made me sub. I usually HATE these types of channels, but yeah, could tell you were the right critic before 5 minutes even elapsed.

  • @trevorwalden6097
    @trevorwalden6097 3 года назад +1

    Hey man, love the videos! Great choice of music to react to. Never heard of these guys, but I am now a Ne Obliviscaris fan :)
    Edit: was anybody else dissapointed it turned out to be a folk metal song? I'm a metal head, but I really enjoyed the composition before the metal dropped...

  • @Geordano97
    @Geordano97 3 года назад +2

    I LOVE when I see producers/teachers reacting to music, specially when it comes to prog music, it´s quite an unique experience to watch how they laugh at crazy or unexpected stuff, love you all who make these videos. Greetings from Mexico!

  • @Soopahmahn
    @Soopahmahn 3 года назад +1

    Geebz, if you check out the live version of this song, you’ll see that the percussive 32nd note riff is indeed insanely tight sounding by way of palm muting and talent, but there is almost certainly a heavy handed noise gate at play as well (see the Axe-FX in the guitar racks and you know this is done very simply). In studio, a noise gate may be applied, but there is also a high probability that modern editing techniques are at play - heavy manual clipping that used to be done with an exacto knife is now done bar by bar in digital. And it makes good sense given the absurd amount of sound being made, and how clear the end result must be to be intelligible. Great video!

  • @cyanidacal0lulz
    @cyanidacal0lulz 3 года назад +14

    Also if you haven’t already I highly suggest reacting to Meshuggah. Either Bleed or New Millennium Cyanide Christ

    • @NuclearHeadshot
      @NuclearHeadshot 3 года назад

      I'd rather see Clockworks by them. Sure, it's a more obvious drummer reaction, but I want to hear about the composition which I find better than most other Meshuggah songs.

    • @cyanidacal0lulz
      @cyanidacal0lulz 3 года назад

      @@NuclearHeadshot you are indeed right, i forgot about Clockworks, that song was a masterpiece. However id like to see him react to Thomas’s drum cam on Bleed, i feel he’d be utterly impressed

  • @flash_69
    @flash_69 3 года назад +1

    Great reaction.
    Clean singer is the violin player and has studied violin at university. He composes and arranges most of the music.
    Harsh vocalist, Xen, is just phenomanal and has two other side projects, Omega Infinity and Antiqva.
    Their music is regarded as Extreme Progressive Death Metal.
    If you have a look you can find this track, live on tour.
    We make good music down under.
    On another note - Please react to Ne Obliviscaris - Intra Venus.

  • @theperpetualdirge
    @theperpetualdirge 3 года назад +1

    I'm a keyboardist but I also play the guitar. I love Progressive Death Metal in general so I play both instrument for composing purposes with my group. Those 32nd note are amazing and controlled. It's just a good amount of palm muting skill. Lay your index finger on the first fret and your pinky on the 4th, the palm mute those chopped 32nd. It's possible becouse it's an open string riff. Other bands and geners do that in post production. Hope I've helped

  • @burzday
    @burzday 3 года назад +9

    I would love it if you'd react to Nevermore - This Godless Endeavour. Warrel Dane such a unique sound to his voice. Very haunting, very beautiful.

  • @jemezbriton534
    @jemezbriton534 3 года назад +1

    Aussies repping. Great stuff seem very genuine.

  • @bonesdefilus29
    @bonesdefilus29 3 года назад +2

    Wish you had watched the live video! They are amazing! ( Edit) You were talking about musicianship and sustainability. The live version, it was song they played to close out the set, and nailed it!

  • @justinmillikan2258
    @justinmillikan2258 3 года назад +3

    I hate that this song, this band, and ultimately your reaction, has so few views and attention. I can only assume that it's because of the harsh vocalist that is such a big hurdle for people. This song is a masterpiece. I agree with you that all of the artists were highlighted and love that you picked up on the bassist's role here. His playthroughs are pretty amazing to watch. I'd echo the suggestion to watch them do this live in Denver... or if you do another reaction, do the live Forget Not video.

  • @KoarTCN
    @KoarTCN 3 года назад +5

    You are listening to progressive Folk Death metal. Anything is game here. They are trend setters. Everyone in this band is insanely talented, that bassist is popping off.

  • @holtihesher
    @holtihesher 3 года назад +1

    Portal of I - the best album of Ne Obliviscaris. Very talented band

  • @nicolecantor2390
    @nicolecantor2390 3 года назад +1

    Sirens in the background, "That's it, this is my last reaction!" Has me in tears.

  • @aaronzaloum7986
    @aaronzaloum7986 3 года назад

    Love the dynamo created by these two vocalists

  • @UpTheIrons51510
    @UpTheIrons51510 3 года назад +9

    I’d be willing to also watch you react to the live version as well. Ne O is my top 5 according to Spotify this past year. 🤘🏼

  • @sugoruyo
    @sugoruyo 3 года назад +2

    The rule is: you do what fits the song. E.g. with a band like TesseracT which writes music largely around a groove and ambience you don't generally do solos. With a band like this one, which writes largely around massive-sounding technical, intricate pieces you do generally get solos. The nice thing about metal (once you get past the "mainstream" of it) is you get really solid musicians both in terms of their ability to write things that fit well together and their ability to play their instruments at a very high level which you can clearly see if you check out some of them, like Teemu, the guitarist from Wintersun, demonstrating how to play solos and other parts of their songs (Winter Madness solo). Oh, by the way, no metalcore here, this is metal.

  • @skizzlep
    @skizzlep 3 года назад

    I have a fever and the only cure is more airbass!! 🤣🤙 This was an awesome find. Thanks, Geebz. Still here

  • @floridabelle
    @floridabelle 3 года назад +3

    #ToolArmy, but love your reactions so will probably watch more than just Tool. Also, I enjoy watching to the end of reactions. Hopefully I'm not alone in this. ❤️👍

    • @KeyOfGeebz
      @KeyOfGeebz  3 года назад +1

      Awesome thank you! 🤙

    • @floridabelle
      @floridabelle 3 года назад

      @@KeyOfGeebz, you're welcome!

  • @darksonicma
    @darksonicma 3 года назад +4

    14:42 You don't really need maxed out distortion for that kind of sound, you need to boost / scoop the right frequencies and, as far as i've tested, put an overdrive pedal before the amp's head for extra tightness. Boosting somewhere between 1.2 and 2.0 khz would give you that extra clarity on syncopated / fast palm muted riffs like that. Holding a bit between 200 and 500hz would help clear out the muddyness and completely cutting 50hz downwards with an high pass filter could also help. In the end, it all depends on your equipment and which frequencies are lacking or high from the source. Noise gate could be necessary, but muting correctly with both hands is mandatory, as far as i know, that riff is played with an open A string.

  • @kingdomoftyrants9844
    @kingdomoftyrants9844 3 года назад +6

    Allegaeon - Threshold of Perception i think you'd appreciate! And I'd say there are no rules when it comes to music! Just enjoy it!

    • @kingdomoftyrants9844
      @kingdomoftyrants9844 3 года назад

      Yea, certain subgenres don't heavily rely on solos but they aren't unheard of

  • @steve87966
    @steve87966 3 года назад +4

    You gotta check out animals as leaders! As a composer you would love their stuff. I recommend On Impulse, The Brain Dance, or Really anything from their discography

  • @samgraham6990
    @samgraham6990 3 года назад +2

    BASS-ICS!!! loved that pun, no shame!
    metal is becoming more accepting of breaking down the barriers that exist as the current paradigm that is metal, at least prog metal does. having a solo in metal seems to just be serving the music rather than showboating the skills of the guitarist (with obvious exceptions).
    absolutely LOVE your reactions/content man. plssss keep going and dont let those coppers get ya ;)

  • @Rubbish_
    @Rubbish_ Год назад

    One of my favorite bands and in my eyes one of the most inventive and musically talented bands ever.
    I recommend either Eyrie or Libera Pt. 1: Saturnine Spheres off of their album Urn. The singing and storytelling is absolutely phenomenal. Especially Eyrie, I’ve nearly teared up listening to it.

  • @damiengrief
    @damiengrief 3 года назад +1

    So glad to see you react to this song. Fucking love Ne Obliviscaris. Got to see them live when they came to the US some years back. Masterful musicians. Love everything they do. You should check out more of their stuff. Also highly recommend Wintersun - Sons of Winter And Stars (live @ Sonic Pump Studios) for another epic masterpiece.

  • @sdkmains
    @sdkmains 3 года назад +3

    I would recommend 3 songs that in my opinion are the greatest journeys in the metal world apart from this song of course! Aviations-outliers
    Periphery-reptile
    Obscura-sermon of the seventh sun
    To clarify some subgenres and questions, metalcore is a mix of traditional metal and hardcore punk, you will usually find a “breakdown” which is just the hook or part of the song where everything slows down and gets heavier. Deathcore is like metalcore but it has influences of death metal. Ne oblivisicaris is a progressive death metal band, which is probably the most complex subgenre in the entire metal genre! And your question about solos, i would say most metalcore bands do have solos but they don’t over use that specific cliche, they use breakdowns as the signature cliche. As for any other subgenre of metal, solos are a huge part of them and they create a whole different wave of energy! If you have any questions or want examples please by all means ask me and i will try and help you out! I have been studying these subgenres in depth for the last 3-4 years and i love it when people with an open mind such as yourself embrace the musicianship even though it may not be your favourite thing in the world, but be ware that once you get hooked you get sucked into the rabbit hole! Keep up the amazing work!

  • @michaelwallace8772
    @michaelwallace8772 3 года назад +2

    Since you are a huge fan of drumming you need to hear trivium's drummer Alex Bent! He has full live playthroughs of the bands second to last album. Specifically the songs Betrayer and Beyond Oblivion.

  • @6ic6ic6ic
    @6ic6ic6ic 3 года назад +5

    You picked a gem with this one. Also when your talk about the tightness of the 32s its def the musicianship although I dont doubt the engineer and mix play their part. If youd like to see some of the technique that can lent to that tightness I'd suggest checking out something by Tosin Abasi and his band Animals as Leaders.

  • @fieldo85
    @fieldo85 3 года назад +11

    Check-out the Mars Volta dude.. you wont regret it. Keep riding those waves! Peace out from the East Coast of Australia.

    • @thewhorocks515
      @thewhorocks515 3 года назад +1

      Day of the Baphomets for a song suggestion. But basically anything would be phenomenal.

    • @seaniker.
      @seaniker. 3 года назад

      Yes! Mars volta!!!!!

  • @LightBringer666
    @LightBringer666 3 года назад +1

    found your videos a few days ago and i've been enjoying your reactions, unlike most reaction channels your analysis is interesting and gives me a reason to watch the reaction instead of just listening to the track on its own. keep it up man!
    my recommendation for a reaction: Wintersun
    the band is phenomenal and has a lot of amazing songs to react to, and i really can't pick one to suggest so i'd say make your pick based on what song title captures your interest first. i guarantee you'll love their music and likely do a reaction to more than one song.

  • @TricksyDK
    @TricksyDK 3 года назад

    that smile is worth everyting
    have a great one

  • @EMMANUSSI
    @EMMANUSSI 3 года назад +1

    Thank you scientist - chromology!! It's like a jazz-version of the dance of eternity