As a roofer in the uk working in god awful weather half the year i have gone through 3 milwaukee gen 3 impacts and 3 gen 4 impacts and every one has shit its pants 😅, i still have the last 4 models of dewalt all working perfectly even though they all look battered 😂 that 860 is definitely gonna be my next buy as im still using my dcf850 after 3 years and it has never let me down.
@FoxOutdoors not enough power for me. The only metabo tools I use is my 9" grinder, but I mainly use the dcg418 with the 6" blade and my metabo nail gun which has never let me down.
Great video!! Thanks! I really appreciate all the time it takes to test this stuff, not to mention setting up the video shots. Well done, quality video and very good audio. Thanks for the graphics! :)
One thing I always wish to see in these comparisons and no one does is gabbing any brand high performance 3/8th impact wrench and comparing the performance on the larger fasteners.
To that point, I compared the Bosch Freak to the combination of a Dewalt Impact Driver and Dewalt impact wrench last year. The wrench is certainly a more purpose made tool for higher torque situations. I ran out of time to include it in this video, but I still have another video comparing to the other Dewalt impact drivers. I'll make a short about it this week some time and then I'll try to include it in that upcoming video.
@@richadent968 9ah fv are beastly, but I wouldn't get them if you don't use them often, they don't discharge cells equally while resting so they can brick themselves easily.
As for impact drivers in the automotive field with dewalt my 20v i have had for 3 plus years and still works great. I have recently bought a 3/8 impact driver and use it for everything including lugnuts. Guy at work as snapon 3/8 and has broken anvil 3 times this year, snaped clean off. Now 1/2 inch ive had mine for 8 years used daily out performs snapon and new Milwaukee. I recently bought a new one other works fine just wanted new one and its actually rated more breakaway than Milwaukee. Lights on tools are garbage in automotive field and never last long burnout from grease oil etc
Torque test channel has shown that dewalt is ontop, i dont know what you are talking about.. My first Dewalt was an entry level drill 780, i think i bought it 12 years ago came with 2x 4ah batteries for a great price. I have been using it for anything but last summer after i mixed concrete buckets with it, it just started to rattle in it, i thought the gears broke. Chucked it in a box and got me a dcf850. Winter came and i thought it was a bit sad the drill was dead so i tore it apart and i couldn't find anything wrong with it, it looked brand new on the inside except all the dust and crud. I cleaned everything, put the parts in the dishwasher and put it back together with some new moly grease in it and it just works like new again.
Amen to the praise of the Powerstack 1.7ah battery. The size of a 12v battery but the power of a 5ah 18V battery. I too want to see a Milwaukee response to it. It’s strange how it’s absent after so long.
have broken the 1/4 to half inch for driving lags and the bit left in the collet came out with no trouble you have the north america one like me all these early youtube channels got the one from asia and that they can keep it i could if i want go and get the new dewalt dcf 870 hyrdo from a guy in vietnam only $220
Putting aside that, I am a DeWalt type of man. After analysing the results of the tests, I have to say that on many times there seemed to be more of an even match with DeWalt and Milwaukee competing for Pole Position more, in respect to Flex, which initially seemed like it was leaving DeWalt and Milwaukee for dust, but as the tests were being carried out further Flex was falling further behind and DeWalt and and Milwaukee exchanged positions in the Grand Pri from 1st to 2nd more constantly. I have come to the conclusion that for me, based on the overall results, DeWalt is still the Drill to go for. Out of appreciation to you for taking the time to produce this content to share with us viewers, the video has now been given the 429th like 🤙🏼to say thankyou very much. Have a great Week and take care, Sir. 🤙🏼🙂🤙🏼❤️
I think that they are all great impacts and all of them will work well. It's just depends on preference when the performance is this close relatively speaking.
@TinkerWithTools Of course, and I agree with you, Sir. Please may I request a video based on which DeWalt Circular Saw (Rip Saw) is the best, including the XR Flexivolt? From the research I have done, the XR is better suited for soft to medium would, and the XJ is better for Medium to Hardwood. 🤙🏼🙂🤙🏼❤️
@TinkerWithTools O.K. but please do not stress yourself, nor to put yourself under financial pressure. Do not worry. Thankyou all the same, Sir. 🤙🏼🙂🤙🏼❤️
I don’t have the gen4 Milwaukee impact, I opted for the cheaper Hercules clone impact and it has worked great so far for my needs! I am a Milwaukee fanboy but like the testing shows, they are all pretty dang close! Great review my friend!
Thanks. The flex is a solid impact driver. In my testing, that along with a few others are just behind in terms of performance. But at the price and with the ease of the warranty, you can't really complain about it.
If I ever do a give-a-way of any sort, I will be sure to post it well. Right now the majority of the drills that I have are still needed for testing in future videos.
The spring in the DeWalt is backwards for some reason it's power is in reverse the lest desirable direction and torque test channel also showed that and it's a massive spring in there backwards painted yellow
@@TinkerWithTools o for sure but I'm guessing this is supposed to be used instead of a impact wrench where's it's spring and gears are made for taking off instead of forward,would be some cost savings
Great testing. Appreciate the attention to detail. And i too want to see the smaller forge batts and was disappointed when they just came out with bigger forge batts.
I love the test and comparisons of these tools but people still don’t seem to understand that impact drivers are designed for small to medium fasteners. A drill is always going to be faster for longer fasteners because that’s what it is designed for. You don’t see people using impact drivers to install cabinets with 4 inch screws because impacts are not meant for that. None the less great video and keep up the great work.👏👏
while not every manufacturer will post the intended use of their tools, some impact driver brands will and shockingly, most everything we tested could fall in the manufacturer suggestions of a lighter duty impact driver. As always, a lot of the testing I will do isn't necessarily intended as a use it this way, but since the user can't get a feel for the impact driver always, it helps to illustrate differences if any between two or more tools.
Dewalt 850 is still my favorite all around impact. The Dewalt battery platform has taken the lead and produced smaller packs with efficient energy applications. The 8ah xr stack is looking good!
100% agree that flex need to have a 2 or less stacked battery. When i do metal roofs the weight of the flex really starts to show. I have started using my skil 12v for roofs just because of the weight of the flex and lack luster reviews on their compact dont make me want to run out and grab one.
Great comparison Video Tinker !!! Video editing a little choppy/ skippy at times, when you were facin the camera? It was a little distracting to watch. Nuttin but Love my Man, just my feedback/ lousy $.02! Surprised by the DeWalt here? It did seem to do better on the larger fasteners, backing up the “High Torque” claims. Did it run smooth? DeWalt’s Impacts all run well, but tend to be a bit coarse. Great stuff here Tinker. Appreciate the efforts and format of your Testing! 👍✌💪😊
Thanks George. It was a 45 minute video that had to get edited down into what you saw. That explains some of the choppiness but I appreciate the feedback. As for how smooth it was, all three were pretty similar. There wasn’t one that stood out as being more smooth than the others.
@@TinkerWithTools Good point taken, and I didn't stop to think about the time/ length of the Video. No worries. I am curious of your opinion as to how the Metabo/ HPT Triple Hammer compares to these three drivers? Not trying to make a case for a video, but there are a lot of fans out there, of the Triple Hammer. Take care of yourself. 👍🤝
I think the Triple Hammer compares more favorably to the 845/850. Meaning it’s a capable impact driver and it’s got speed up to a point but it’s not in the same class as these impact drivers for power and speed. What it does have is that it’s a nice smooth impact driver to use. I find when using it for smaller and even up to medium fasteners (4 or 5”) it’s pretty quick but very smooth. I always tell people Metabo HPT is about 90% of what Makita is in terms of refinement.
By far my favorite tool channel. Honest, unbiased reviews, and a fellow fan of the 1.7 ah powerstack/dcd800. The 1.7 ah powerstsck paired with an impact/dcd800 makes for a powerful and compact combo, and I'll sing it's praises to anyone who will listen lol. Keep up the great work!
Маю dcf887 акумулятор XR 5ah. Купив 1.7 powerstack. Чудово,вага 1220грам. Акумулятор 320,і 887 900грам. Тепер кріпежі, профільні конституції буде простіше крутити,адже на 300 грам легше,а при роботі 8-10 годин це має значення тих 300 грам.
I have mixed feelings about this high torque offering from dewalt. I am hoping it is durable in the long run. I own the milwaukee gen4 and the flex quick eject currently. Have recently come to the conclusiion that power isnt everything in power tools. More power usually means more heat and stress on the components. Torque test channel claims that the m18 gen 4 has been their most problematic impact driver to date. Personally, I am currently waiting on a warranty replacement for my flex quick eject which started grinding and smoking during my first actual use. It has been a month and still waiting. So much for their lifetime warranty.
You are right that power isn't everything. I personally don't love to use the flex impact unless its full power is warrantied or needed. The Milwaukee is one that feels natural to me just from years of using their platform but it does get rather warm.
I personally think the Best Impact Driver , not the Platform, just the Impact for my money is the. Makita 18v LXT XDT-19 , it is just soo smooth , has an Awesome trigger, it has the Most Modes by Far and its really compact , definitely not the fastest or most powerful, but it definitely the Most Enjoyable to use , IMO .... 👍🖖
I don't have complains about any of these but what sort of bit length are you using that you are seeing wobble. Perhaps I can film a short showing it and letting you see what you can expect.
Adding a 1/2" or 3/8" to 1/4 hex adaptor to the new M12 'Stubby' impact wrenches would make an animal of a 'Compact' impact driver..... Just need to find bits that can cope.
Most of your screws weren't pre-thread/pre-set into the wood causing inconsistency between test. Sometimes it would take a 1/2 second for it to catch a thread to begin.
I can save you the most part and say that none of them are and you are right, they will be small differences like that. But if we are to the point of talking about how long a screw takes to bite it helps to extenuate how close the tools are.
The DeWalt is overpriced right now because its new , in around 4 to 6 months it will be about $150 .00 just in time for the Holidays , and if you think DeWalt didn't plan it that way your crazy , just sayin ....😂🤣😅
That new dewalt looks great. But I'll stick with my dcf850 I have 2 plenty of power for my use. I think I mentioned I bought the new Milwaukee 3692-22ct? I find myself using the drill for most things I do plenty of power.
@@charliesleeseman4643 yes they are going to be a higher performance battery. On older tools the power levels weren’t always at a point where it was as noticeable but on newer tools there is typically a pretty noticeable difference.
I have said this before on Tools with Soalz channel that the Flex does the same as the Dewalt on bigger lag screws where it bumps down in gears. He said that wasn’t true, but you seem to prove that
@@TinkerWithTools they all seem to have their pros and cons. My big concern with Milwaukee is durability. Torque test channel said he had 4 impact drivers replaced.
I might get in trouble, and I am just coming off of a ‘time out’ by RUclips, because some Troll somewhere must have reported me, because I called them out, or stepped kn their troll toes? Having said that, ‘Tools with Soalz’ is, umm, well, no comment, out of respect to ‘Tinker.’
Yep. I didn’t have the 8ah Powerpack yet so could test with that. Testing will be coming but for my use I am guessing I will still run it on this battery.
I run DeWalt and honestly disappointed to see them make such big claims in specs and that its the most powerful impact on the market when it clearly isn't. Also stupid to not include a self taper mode which is standard in every premium impact.
While I get what you are saying about the specs, the 860 is capable of going toe to toe with the two most powerful impact drivers out there and the specs are pretty much in line with them. The self tapper mode is not something that I use but it seems to be a decent feature that they should've added. I guess time will tell if this is viewed as a success or not.
If you are going to be driving bolts with hex heads all day long use a impact wrench. I want a light weight impact driver that is easy to use overhead and all day long for driving screws. That is the Dewalt dcf850
For me it was the fact that previously, the 850/845 was the best that they offered. So while it would suit something like you described, they didn't have that top offering. Now they do and you still have the choice of using the one you prefer.
@@victorfeliciano6094 care to share which videos so others have a chance to go and watch them if they want? I understand that my one use case won’t encompass everything about the tool so I am just looking to share info where possible.
The new Herc is coming for all their lunch especially with their promo right now 99 bucks for 5hr batt and charger get the impact free. Anyone just starting out would be foolish to go any other way with their 5 yr warranty on top of the price.
The Hercules was certainly a step forward for the brand and the inclusion of a warranty with easy exchange is a big deal. I have the performance is solid but just a step behind of these three. But like you said for the money it’s a great place to start and you could certainly do a lot worse. It wasn’t always the case with harbor freight stuff.
dewalt had the best impacts for years now. dcf845 and dcf850. the milwaukee fuel and the flex are both overheating pieces of trash. i'm on my THIRD milwaukee 2953-20. the first two cooked themselves to death. this third will too. after about an hour of work, the front metal part gets so hot it burns you. the dewalts can works all day nonstop and be perfectly fine
@@TinkerWithTools carpenter. 95% of my work is making office furniture. i don't use my 1/4" impact anywhere near as much as someone in construction would, but still enough to keep killing these milwaukees. i prefer the M12 impact driver with the 2.5ah HO battery over the M18. it's way more comfortable and it doesn't melt itself when i look at it the wrong way
PLEASE NOTE DEWALT LIED ABOUT THE TORQUE, I SEEN SOME VIDEO ON THE TEST CHANNEL, ALSO THERE ARE ISSUES WTH THE CASING MAKING SOME NOISE BY THE HANDLE THERE IS A LITTLE SPLIT. ALL THIS ON VIDEO WHICH I SAW. NEVER MINE ILL BE KEEPING MY MILWAUKEE FOR NOW, ALSO SAW MR ELECTRICIAN WITH HIS DEWALT DCF860 WITH ISSUES AS WELL ON HIS VIDEO. ALL I AM SAYING IS GOOD LUCK GUYS / MY IS GOING BACK TO THE STORE HD DEWALIT DCF860
I don’t claim to be an expert by any means but in a basic sense it’s a new cell design that allows for channels for power to come in and out of the cell. Makita_deutschland on Instagram had a great graphic the other day that illustrates it or I would point you to the video that Tools & Stuff did on the Makita tabless cell battery. He had some great info on it.
Basically think of a AA battery with the little bump on the one side, the result is all the power has to flow through the bump, reducing overall current capability. Going tabless means it's the entire surface area of the cell and it allows for significantly higher current flow, aka more power
For broken tools, you have to take into account misuse with a tool like the fuel impact or hammer drill. A lot of people will just sit there and beat on their tools all day, watching guys try and take rusted lugs off trucks with a half inch socket adapter and they sit there letting it hammer for 5+ minutes until it smokes any reliability concerns with really high performance tools like these need to be taken with a grain of salt.
I don't need an impact driver that have 2500 in/lbs, 3800rpm and 4400 ipm I'm doing good with my old DeWalt dcf885 and dcf888 But I purchased 2 brand new DCF 860 I'm gonna put one in reserve and the other one I will convert that into a 1/2inch Impact wrench
Just curious, what is the reason for the reserve one? Just in case the 885 or the 888 break? I could see that if there was sale pricing, just curious when they are essentially at full price right now.
@@keysautorepair6038 I have had good luck with mine and use it often. I am going on two years at this point so I still have a few with the warranty in case it does.
The 8ah Powerpack will be kitted with the tool but it hasn’t been released yet. I have it on order but until it’s here I can only test with what I have. The 5ah Powerstack is one of the better batteries that they make and it’s superior to the 5ah XR pack that has been out forever. The DEWALT was tested on every DEWALT pack that I own and this tested right up at the top and was the most comparable to the competition.
I am excited for it but it hasn’t even been officially announced yet. We have seen leaked images so it’s possible we will still see it this year but it’s not coming too soon if you ask me.
Kind of expected even more form flex considering how big it is, not much smaller than compact impact wrench from makita for eg. Just too big for a driver imho.
I am not having a good experience with flex tools and their company. I have a quick eject impact driver that started grinding gears and smoked during first use. I called to warranty and was initialy told 6 to 8 days. This was a month go during fathers day. Up to now I have yet to receive a replacement. Just last week i was enticed to buy the 1 inch sds due to it being on clearance. This version has a removable sds chuck and comes with a 1/2 drill chuck. Guess what? The 1/2 drill chuck was stuck and the arms arent able to be closed or opened. I am not going to bother claiming a warranty since I will be using mainly as an sds as I have a couple of drills anyway. Just disappointed at the quality and customer service.
@@kutapioevery tool brand fails sometimes ive had my flex for 3 years no prob. I got 8 batteries, QE impact, turbo hammer, sds 1", sawzall, multitool, and drywall cutout tool
The testing on the second Flex impact that I have was closer to that of the Milwaukee but still exceeding it. While I think you can certainly drive these larger lags with these impacts, if you are doing many of them, I would switch to an impact wrench just to avoid the repeated stress on the tool. Anything up to an 8" Timberlok though I think that you are good.
Let's hope there's a breakthrough in battery technology soon. Watching "tests" of these underpowered, overpriced impact drivers with their enormously cumbersome battery packs is depressing.
In my opinion, you can run the 860 on the 1.7ah powerstack and achieve some respectable performance and it pretty much eliminates concern about the cumbersome battery. As for the underpowered component, I am not sure how much more power is realistic in a 1/4" impact driver. I think that is more the limiting factor than it is the batteries or motors at this point.
@@TinkerWithTools I'd agree to some extent. I think for an impact driver that's as big as you would want to go. But even the big batteries struggle to screw in anything over 5". Watch your own videos; "compact" tool? Short from front to rear, certainly, but two handed operation and with a grenade sized battery on the end? The companies tell a good fairy story of how they'll get into tight spaces, but I believe them about as much as I believe in the emperor's new clothes. Nice guy, nice channel. Good luck, Tinker.
I noticed that this guy doesn't know how to use an impact. he goes full trigger press when the fastener isnt even in the wood thus spinning for a white and skewing results.
Not a good comparison. Each time you could be putting different amounts of pressure. Best channel to get percise comparison is project farm by a long shot. Thanks for comparison its just not accurate
I am going to assume you are referring to Project Farm. If so, Todd does a great job at removing some of the variables to the testing. While I agree that there are variables that aren't controlled here, my inclusion of testing and times is to help articulate differences between tools if any, while using them. When you use a tool back to back with another, you get a feel for that but it's hard to show that in a video since the viewer may not have experienced each of those tools.
Unless you are timing it with a stop watch or a head to head, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the three even on the tests where it performed worse. Of the total of 16 tests that I did, Milwaukee won 6, Dewalt and Flex both won 5.
Best?! DCF860 is so ridiculously over-powered that it can't control itself. Can't put that power down properly! Heck, it's only a matter of time before DeWALT issues a recall after enough folks experience this tool's uncontrolled power.
Given its performance in the testing and the use that I have in the first two weeks, it's a pretty nice impact driver. Perfect? No, but it's not he let down that some of their past "top" offerings have been so I am calling that a win.
@@TinkerWithTools That's great. Seems you got one of the ones that performs well. I just honestly see no point in a powerful tool that lacks control. The one I bought was so bad, I took it back the very next day. Went online, turns out I didn't get a rare lemon. Checked regarding the Milwaukee M18 Fuel Gen. 4, turns out those have their own issues, while the Milwaukee M12 version is PERFECT! In the end, got a good deal on the FLEX. Very happy with it.
I made a video last year reviewing the full impact driver line up (now out of date) and another with the full drill line up (soon to be out of date). While the product offerings are confusing, I have to give Dewalt credit for their recent steps to add clarity. Time will tell if they are successful, but it seems like a positive direction.
Your testing was far less "scientific" than TTC's. WAY too many variables, some could even be intentional bias, that could easily skew the results. The DCF850 DOES compete, very well, with those others. The DCF860 has been proven to be far more powerful using actual scientific testing with far fewer variables. So much so that I don't even think I will buy it, because my DCF850 already breaks adapters occasionally - I really don't want to deal with a tool that breaks them regularly - and then is a pain in the behind to remove the broken half.
My issue with the 850 is simply that when they released it and then the 845, they kept releasing the same level of impact driver that didn't offer a significant improvement over what they already had on the market. The 860 was that step up in terms of performance. It makes the 850/845 make more sense in their lineup since you aren't asking those impacts to be the product goes head to head with the Milwaukee and the Flex top products. It's much like the DCD800 is my preferred drill to use out of just about everything but I would never ask it to try and out do something like the M18 Fuel full size or other full size drills like the Bosch, Makita and Flex. That's what they have the DCD999 and now the upcoming DCD1007 for. As for TTC, you are right. My testing isn't as scientific as TTC, and I doubt that even as it improves (just as it has over the last 2 years) that it will reach their level. They are really good at what they do, and I am glad that they exist as a resource to provide that scientific data as a companion to the type of testing and context I provide.
I think it depends on what you look for. Based on DEWALTs impact wrenches, which are awesome, I always felt like there was more to offer in an impact driver. The last impacts always failed to make an impact on me simply because it just felt like more the same. Time will tell if this one lasts but so far I think it’s a good impact even if it’s not for everyone.
As a roofer in the uk working in god awful weather half the year i have gone through 3 milwaukee gen 3 impacts and 3 gen 4 impacts and every one has shit its pants 😅, i still have the last 4 models of dewalt all working perfectly even though they all look battered 😂 that 860 is definitely gonna be my next buy as im still using my dcf850 after 3 years and it has never let me down.
Sorry, you have had such bad luck with the Milwaukee's, but at least glad you have your Dewalts to fall back on.
The Metabo Bolt might be a better option for you. IP 56 rated they are very water resistant
@FoxOutdoors not enough power for me. The only metabo tools I use is my 9" grinder, but I mainly use the dcg418 with the 6" blade and my metabo nail gun which has never let me down.
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God awful weather only half the year? Are you sure you live and work in the UK?
@@user-qk7id7ev9u 😂😂😂
Great video!! Thanks! I really appreciate all the time it takes to test this stuff, not to mention setting up the video shots. Well done, quality video and very good audio. Thanks for the graphics! :)
Thanks Sandy! I appreciate the support and feedback.
Great comparison. This is my new favorite tool channel. Direct and straight to the point
I appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching.
For me, the winner is 100% that 1.7ah powerstack. For 90% of use that battery is always on my 20V stuff because of how light and compact it is.
I agree. I love it for all but the most heavy duty applications.
Another good review, thanks. I can’t understand why you haven’t got many more followers?
Thanks! I appreciate the support.
Because there’s no shortage of fools but lack of tastes by many!
Nice to see Dewalt putting some effort to beat the competition.
It's what I wanted out of the 850 and the 845. And now those impacts make more sense in the lineup next to this one.
Dewalt last longer than the other 2 Milwaukee is owned China 🇨🇳 using slave labor you think a slave is going to make a good tools
Thank you for sharing your fair tests
You’re welcome!
One thing I always wish to see in these comparisons and no one does is gabbing any brand high performance 3/8th impact wrench and comparing the performance on the larger fasteners.
To that point, I compared the Bosch Freak to the combination of a Dewalt Impact Driver and Dewalt impact wrench last year. The wrench is certainly a more purpose made tool for higher torque situations. I ran out of time to include it in this video, but I still have another video comparing to the other Dewalt impact drivers. I'll make a short about it this week some time and then I'll try to include it in that upcoming video.
Waiting for a Dewalt powerstack 60 Volt flexvolt battery.
doubt they will do it now that we have tabless cylindrical cells.
I am pretty sure too that it will be flexvolt tabless 60v @@riba2233
Like the others have already said, I would better on a Flexvolt Powerpack designation with Tabless cells.
@@riba2233 I have 3 of the 6AH flexvolt batteries. Thinking on getting the 9AH flex? But I'm retired and don't you them every day any more.
@@richadent968 9ah fv are beastly, but I wouldn't get them if you don't use them often, they don't discharge cells equally while resting so they can brick themselves easily.
As for impact drivers in the automotive field with dewalt my 20v i have had for 3 plus years and still works great. I have recently bought a 3/8 impact driver and use it for everything including lugnuts.
Guy at work as snapon 3/8 and has broken anvil 3 times this year, snaped clean off.
Now 1/2 inch ive had mine for 8 years used daily out performs snapon and new Milwaukee. I recently bought a new one other works fine just wanted new one and its actually rated more breakaway than Milwaukee.
Lights on tools are garbage in automotive field and never last long burnout from grease oil etc
I appreciate you sharing what you have seen!
Torque test channel has shown that dewalt is ontop, i dont know what you are talking about..
My first Dewalt was an entry level drill 780, i think i bought it 12 years ago came with 2x 4ah batteries for a great price. I have been using it for anything but last summer after i mixed concrete buckets with it, it just started to rattle in it, i thought the gears broke.
Chucked it in a box and got me a dcf850.
Winter came and i thought it was a bit sad the drill was dead so i tore it apart and i couldn't find anything wrong with it, it looked brand new on the inside except all the dust and crud. I cleaned everything, put the parts in the dishwasher and put it back together with some new moly grease in it and it just works like new again.
I have an older 887 and a newer 887 and such a big difference between them
Difference in what way?
Amen to the praise of the Powerstack 1.7ah battery. The size of a 12v battery but the power of a 5ah 18V battery. I too want to see a Milwaukee response to it. It’s strange how it’s absent after so long.
I was disappointed in the size when it was first announced but it’s my favorite power tool battery for sure.
@@TinkerWithToolsI agree, I install in ceiling speakers and the 1.7ah battery makes a world of difference when doing this task all day.
have broken the 1/4 to half inch for driving lags and the bit left in the collet came out with no trouble you have the north america one like me all these early youtube channels got the one from asia and that they can keep it i could if i want go and get the new dewalt dcf 870 hyrdo from a guy in vietnam only $220
I have considered getting an import but at this point I think I’ll just wait. Thanks for reporting what you found about the collet.
Waiting for the dcf870 to release in the States before I upgrade. More compact, quieter by orders of magnitude. What else could you ask for?
I am hoping we see a competent modern Surge competitor so that we see a Surge Gen 2.
Putting aside that, I am a DeWalt type of man.
After analysing the results of the tests, I have to say that on many times there seemed to be more of an even match with DeWalt and Milwaukee competing for Pole Position more, in respect to Flex, which initially seemed like it was leaving DeWalt and Milwaukee for dust, but as the tests were being carried out further Flex was falling further behind and DeWalt and and Milwaukee exchanged positions in the Grand Pri from 1st to 2nd more constantly. I have come to the conclusion that for me, based on the overall results, DeWalt is still the Drill to go for.
Out of appreciation to you for taking the time to produce this content to share with us viewers, the video has now been given the 429th like 🤙🏼to say thankyou very much.
Have a great Week and take care, Sir. 🤙🏼🙂🤙🏼❤️
I think that they are all great impacts and all of them will work well. It's just depends on preference when the performance is this close relatively speaking.
@TinkerWithTools Of course, and I agree with you, Sir.
Please may I request a video based on which DeWalt Circular Saw (Rip Saw) is the best, including the XR Flexivolt?
From the research I have done, the XR is better suited for soft to medium would, and the XJ is better for Medium to Hardwood. 🤙🏼🙂🤙🏼❤️
I only have the flexvolt rear handle right now but if I get more saws in the future I will be sure to do a comparison.
@TinkerWithTools O.K. but please do not stress yourself, nor to put yourself under financial pressure. Do not worry.
Thankyou all the same, Sir. 🤙🏼🙂🤙🏼❤️
I don’t have the gen4 Milwaukee impact, I opted for the cheaper Hercules clone impact and it has worked great so far for my needs! I am a Milwaukee fanboy but like the testing shows, they are all pretty dang close! Great review my friend!
Thanks. The flex is a solid impact driver. In my testing, that along with a few others are just behind in terms of performance. But at the price and with the ease of the warranty, you can't really complain about it.
Great video, I'm still not sure either to get the new dewalt now seeing this 😢😢😊
I have nothing but positive things to say about it unless you want to talk price. It’s a really solid tool.
@@TinkerWithTools thanks I've ordered it , £209 body only ,
I wish I could have one of your drills. I always wanted to have DeWalt DCD996P2 XR 20V Max Cordless 3 Speed Hammer Drill
If I ever do a give-a-way of any sort, I will be sure to post it well. Right now the majority of the drills that I have are still needed for testing in future videos.
The spring in the DeWalt is backwards for some reason it's power is in reverse the lest desirable direction and torque test channel also showed that and it's a massive spring in there backwards painted yellow
Yeah some interesting decisions for sure but it still drives with the best of them.
@@TinkerWithTools o for sure but I'm guessing this is supposed to be used instead of a impact wrench where's it's spring and gears are made for taking off instead of forward,would be some cost savings
! You Need To Bring Back The Milwaukee Gen3 in the Testing!
I don’t currently own one but if I ever get one again I’ll try to make it happen.
Great testing. Appreciate the attention to detail. And i too want to see the smaller forge batts and was disappointed when they just came out with bigger forge batts.
Thanks! Small Forge batts would just be awesome. I am trying to will them into existence.
@@TinkerWithToolsyeah man! That forge 12ahr tho looks like the real deal.
Why would they make smaller ones when bigger ones sell for more
I think especially with Milwaukee some of delay could be attributed to not wanting to cannibalize the good thing they have going with their M12.
@@james2042 lol good point
I love the test and comparisons of these tools but people still don’t seem to understand that impact drivers are designed for small to medium fasteners. A drill is always going to be faster for longer fasteners because that’s what it is designed for. You don’t see people using impact drivers to install cabinets with 4 inch screws because impacts are not meant for that. None the less great video and keep up the great work.👏👏
while not every manufacturer will post the intended use of their tools, some impact driver brands will and shockingly, most everything we tested could fall in the manufacturer suggestions of a lighter duty impact driver.
As always, a lot of the testing I will do isn't necessarily intended as a use it this way, but since the user can't get a feel for the impact driver always, it helps to illustrate differences if any between two or more tools.
Dewalt 850 is still my favorite all around impact. The Dewalt battery platform has taken the lead and produced smaller packs with efficient energy applications. The 8ah xr stack is looking good!
I agree on the batteries. The 1.7ah powerstack is a game changer for me.
100% agree that flex need to have a 2 or less stacked battery. When i do metal roofs the weight of the flex really starts to show. I have started using my skil 12v for roofs just because of the weight of the flex and lack luster reviews on their compact dont make me want to run out and grab one.
Their compact isn’t the best but I don’t mind it. But the weight of the batteries still plague that tool.
Great comparison Video Tinker !!!
Video editing a little choppy/ skippy at times, when you were facin the camera? It was a little distracting to watch. Nuttin but Love my Man, just my feedback/ lousy $.02!
Surprised by the DeWalt here? It did seem to do better on the larger fasteners, backing up the “High Torque” claims. Did it run smooth? DeWalt’s Impacts all run well, but tend to be a bit coarse. Great stuff here Tinker. Appreciate the efforts and format of your Testing! 👍✌💪😊
Thanks George. It was a 45 minute video that had to get edited down into what you saw. That explains some of the choppiness but I appreciate the feedback. As for how smooth it was, all three were pretty similar. There wasn’t one that stood out as being more smooth than the others.
@@TinkerWithTools Good point taken, and I didn't stop to think about the time/ length of the Video. No worries.
I am curious of your opinion as to how the Metabo/ HPT Triple Hammer compares to these three drivers? Not trying to make a case for a video, but there are a lot of fans out there, of the Triple Hammer. Take care of yourself. 👍🤝
I think the Triple Hammer compares more favorably to the 845/850. Meaning it’s a capable impact driver and it’s got speed up to a point but it’s not in the same class as these impact drivers for power and speed. What it does have is that it’s a nice smooth impact driver to use. I find when using it for smaller and even up to medium fasteners (4 or 5”) it’s pretty quick but very smooth. I always tell people Metabo HPT is about 90% of what Makita is in terms of refinement.
@@TinkerWithTools I believe You summed that up rather eloquently! Have a great Day!
Thanks George!
By far my favorite tool channel. Honest, unbiased reviews, and a fellow fan of the 1.7 ah powerstack/dcd800. The 1.7 ah powerstsck paired with an impact/dcd800 makes for a powerful and compact combo, and I'll sing it's praises to anyone who will listen lol.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks! I agree on the DCD800 recommendation. That drill is awesome!
Маю dcf887 акумулятор XR 5ah.
Купив 1.7 powerstack.
Чудово,вага 1220грам.
Акумулятор 320,і 887 900грам.
Тепер кріпежі, профільні конституції буде простіше крутити,адже на 300 грам легше,а при роботі 8-10 годин це має значення тих 300 грам.
I have mixed feelings about this high torque offering from dewalt. I am hoping it is durable in the long run. I own the milwaukee gen4 and the flex quick eject currently. Have recently come to the conclusiion that power isnt everything in power tools. More power usually means more heat and stress on the components.
Torque test channel claims that the m18 gen 4 has been their most problematic impact driver to date. Personally, I am currently waiting on a warranty replacement for my flex quick eject which started grinding and smoking during my first actual use. It has been a month and still waiting. So much for their lifetime warranty.
You are right that power isn't everything. I personally don't love to use the flex impact unless its full power is warrantied or needed. The Milwaukee is one that feels natural to me just from years of using their platform but it does get rather warm.
I personally think the Best Impact Driver , not the Platform, just the Impact for my money is the. Makita 18v LXT XDT-19 , it is just soo smooth , has an Awesome trigger, it has the Most Modes by Far and its really compact , definitely not the fastest or most powerful, but it definitely the Most Enjoyable to use , IMO .... 👍🖖
Nice video, as usual! How’s the wobble on this Dewalt impact? I use Milwaukee, but the one thing that I hate about it is the wobble. It’s horrible.
I don't have complains about any of these but what sort of bit length are you using that you are seeing wobble. Perhaps I can film a short showing it and letting you see what you can expect.
Adding a 1/2" or 3/8" to 1/4 hex adaptor to the new M12 'Stubby' impact wrenches would make an animal of a 'Compact' impact driver.....
Just need to find bits that can cope.
It will be interesting to see if an anvil swap would even be possible.
Most of your screws weren't pre-thread/pre-set into the wood causing inconsistency between test. Sometimes it would take a 1/2 second for it to catch a thread to begin.
I can save you the most part and say that none of them are and you are right, they will be small differences like that. But if we are to the point of talking about how long a screw takes to bite it helps to extenuate how close the tools are.
@@TinkerWithToolsYou're right. All three of them are basically the same. I've seen that the DeWalt hits harder than expected though
I want the new DeWalt to come in a kit with a 1.7 powerstack and a 5ah powerstack and charger for $300ish
That would be a nice kit!
The DeWalt is overpriced right now because its new , in around 4 to 6 months it will be about $150 .00 just in time for the Holidays , and if you think DeWalt didn't plan it that way your crazy , just sayin ....😂🤣😅
Yeah I figure you would see lower prices pretty soon. Right now it’s pricey though!
TTC’s collet issues with the 860 are likely just a matter of the JIS system being cranky when using US bits
Yep that is part of the reason I mentioned it but didn’t make too big of deal about it.
Stiller no see this videos.. but i hope make a lot of drivers an diferents battery
That new dewalt looks great. But I'll stick with my dcf850 I have 2 plenty of power for my use. I think I mentioned I bought the new Milwaukee 3692-22ct? I find myself using the drill for most things I do plenty of power.
That’s a good compact combination.
Great video. Thanks!!
Glad you liked it!
Ive never used the dewalt powerstack batteries. Are they suppsed to be better than rhe regular 20v batteries. I usually use xr dewalt 4 ah or 5 ah
@@charliesleeseman4643 yes they are going to be a higher performance battery. On older tools the power levels weren’t always at a point where it was as noticeable but on newer tools there is typically a pretty noticeable difference.
@TinkerWithTools thank you sir appreciate it. I just bought the DCF 860 yesterday I just may have to get me some Power stacks now.
I have said this before on Tools with Soalz channel that the Flex does the same as the Dewalt on bigger lag screws where it bumps down in gears. He said that wasn’t true, but you seem to prove that
The Milwaukee has always just been a tough faster than the flex for me. But as I said in the video these three are all pretty close.
@@TinkerWithTools they all seem to have their pros and cons. My big concern with Milwaukee is durability. Torque test channel said he had 4 impact drivers replaced.
I might get in trouble, and I am just coming off of a ‘time out’ by RUclips, because some Troll somewhere must have reported me, because I called them out, or stepped kn their troll toes?
Having said that, ‘Tools with Soalz’ is, umm, well, no comment, out of respect to ‘Tinker.’
You're supposed the new dewalt 8ah power pack battery with it. It wouldve performed even better.
Yep. I didn’t have the 8ah Powerpack yet so could test with that. Testing will be coming but for my use I am guessing I will still run it on this battery.
I run DeWalt and honestly disappointed to see them make such big claims in specs and that its the most powerful impact on the market when it clearly isn't. Also stupid to not include a self taper mode which is standard in every premium impact.
While I get what you are saying about the specs, the 860 is capable of going toe to toe with the two most powerful impact drivers out there and the specs are pretty much in line with them. The self tapper mode is not something that I use but it seems to be a decent feature that they should've added. I guess time will tell if this is viewed as a success or not.
Self tapper mode? It has a speed 1
If you are going to be driving bolts with hex heads all day long use a impact wrench. I want a light weight impact driver that is easy to use overhead and all day long for driving screws. That is the Dewalt dcf850
For me it was the fact that previously, the 850/845 was the best that they offered. So while it would suit something like you described, they didn't have that top offering. Now they do and you still have the choice of using the one you prefer.
Great video mate. Thanks for reviewing this new impact for people like us that can’t afford one…..Yet. Haha
Happy to help! Here's hoping the price comes down and is more affordable soon.
there more video with issues. it a Shane. anyway good luck with the new impact driver.
@@victorfeliciano6094 care to share which videos so others have a chance to go and watch them if they want? I understand that my one use case won’t encompass everything about the tool so I am just looking to share info where possible.
The new Herc is coming for all their lunch especially with their promo right now 99 bucks for 5hr batt and charger get the impact free. Anyone just starting out would be foolish to go any other way with their 5 yr warranty on top of the price.
The Hercules was certainly a step forward for the brand and the inclusion of a warranty with easy exchange is a big deal. I have the performance is solid but just a step behind of these three. But like you said for the money it’s a great place to start and you could certainly do a lot worse. It wasn’t always the case with harbor freight stuff.
dewalt had the best impacts for years now. dcf845 and dcf850. the milwaukee fuel and the flex are both overheating pieces of trash. i'm on my THIRD milwaukee 2953-20. the first two cooked themselves to death. this third will too. after about an hour of work, the front metal part gets so hot it burns you.
the dewalts can works all day nonstop and be perfectly fine
I appreciate you sharing your experience. What sort of work do you if you don't mind me asking?
@@TinkerWithTools carpenter. 95% of my work is making office furniture. i don't use my 1/4" impact anywhere near as much as someone in construction would, but still enough to keep killing these milwaukees.
i prefer the M12 impact driver with the 2.5ah HO battery over the M18. it's way more comfortable and it doesn't melt itself when i look at it the wrong way
PLEASE NOTE DEWALT LIED ABOUT THE TORQUE, I SEEN SOME VIDEO ON THE TEST CHANNEL, ALSO THERE ARE ISSUES WTH THE CASING MAKING SOME NOISE BY THE HANDLE THERE IS A LITTLE SPLIT. ALL THIS ON VIDEO WHICH I SAW. NEVER MINE ILL BE KEEPING MY MILWAUKEE FOR NOW, ALSO SAW MR ELECTRICIAN WITH HIS DEWALT DCF860 WITH ISSUES AS WELL ON HIS VIDEO. ALL I AM SAYING IS GOOD LUCK GUYS / MY IS GOING BACK TO THE STORE HD DEWALIT DCF860
So TTC and the Mr. Electrician. Are those the only videos you are referencing or is there another for the case noise?
Put the DeWalt and three
Just curious, what is a tabless cell battery? I keep hearing about it, just not sure what it is exactly
I don’t claim to be an expert by any means but in a basic sense it’s a new cell design that allows for channels for power to come in and out of the cell. Makita_deutschland on Instagram had a great graphic the other day that illustrates it or I would point you to the video that Tools & Stuff did on the Makita tabless cell battery. He had some great info on it.
Basically think of a AA battery with the little bump on the one side, the result is all the power has to flow through the bump, reducing overall current capability. Going tabless means it's the entire surface area of the cell and it allows for significantly higher current flow, aka more power
I think the new tabless batteries 🔋 use a bunch pouches stacked together.
For broken tools, you have to take into account misuse with a tool like the fuel impact or hammer drill. A lot of people will just sit there and beat on their tools all day, watching guys try and take rusted lugs off trucks with a half inch socket adapter and they sit there letting it hammer for 5+ minutes until it smokes any reliability concerns with really high performance tools like these need to be taken with a grain of salt.
It certainly does factor into it. I am not a huge fan of attempting to break my tools, just to see if they can survive.
Too much inconsistencies with wood I drilled into a 4 by 4 using timberlocks and got different times some took twice as long
I don't need an impact driver that have 2500 in/lbs, 3800rpm and 4400 ipm
I'm doing good with my old DeWalt dcf885 and dcf888
But I purchased 2 brand new DCF 860 I'm gonna put one in reserve and the other one I will convert that into a 1/2inch Impact wrench
Just curious, what is the reason for the reserve one? Just in case the 885 or the 888 break? I could see that if there was sale pricing, just curious when they are essentially at full price right now.
FLEX needs a 1.5 stacked lithium battery
I agree. I would love to see a compact stacked lithium (and forge) battery added to the lineup.
I heard speed 2 was for the attachments 🤷
I assume you are referring to things like the metal sheer attachment. I think it’s a very useable speed two even for driving.
@TinkerWithTools yes the attachments.
Can’t really say whitch is best because of inaccurate and inconsistent pressure applied
I’m afraid to use my Milwaukee impact afraid it will break.
@@keysautorepair6038 I have had good luck with mine and use it often. I am going on two years at this point so I still have a few with the warranty in case it does.
I’ve been using it more so it breaks lol. I figure if it’s gonna break, might aswell break sooner rather than later. Def picking up a dewalt tho
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Thanks George.
The Dewalt is the newest hotness. It will likely come down in price.
I think you will see promos and such. Even when I bought it I managed to get 10% off which is pretty rare on brand (and even pre-order) tools.
Your using the wrong battery. You should be using the xr 5ah or 8ah powerpack. those are the ones meant for it, not the 6ah PowerStack
The 8ah Powerpack will be kitted with the tool but it hasn’t been released yet. I have it on order but until it’s here I can only test with what I have. The 5ah Powerstack is one of the better batteries that they make and it’s superior to the 5ah XR pack that has been out forever. The DEWALT was tested on every DEWALT pack that I own and this tested right up at the top and was the most comparable to the competition.
What about the dewalt dcf870
I am excited for it but it hasn’t even been officially announced yet. We have seen leaked images so it’s possible we will still see it this year but it’s not coming too soon if you ask me.
What about it? 🙄 😆
Kind of expected even more form flex considering how big it is, not much smaller than compact impact wrench from makita for eg. Just too big for a driver imho.
It's heavy for an impact driver, but there are plenty impacts drivers that are that size. For me it's weight that sets it back.
@@TinkerWithTools yeah, weight is the primary issue :)
I am not having a good experience with flex tools and their company. I have a quick eject impact driver that started grinding gears and smoked during first use. I called to warranty and was initialy told 6 to 8 days. This was a month go during fathers day. Up to now I have yet to receive a replacement. Just last week i was enticed to buy the 1 inch sds due to it being on clearance. This version has a removable sds chuck and comes with a 1/2 drill chuck. Guess what? The 1/2 drill chuck was stuck and the arms arent able to be closed or opened. I am not going to bother claiming a warranty since I will be using mainly as an sds as I have a couple of drills anyway. Just disappointed at the quality and customer service.
@@kutapio sorry to hear that, I would expect more from such an old and experienced company.
@@kutapioevery tool brand fails sometimes ive had my flex for 3 years no prob. I got 8 batteries, QE impact, turbo hammer, sds 1", sawzall, multitool, and drywall cutout tool
flex seems to be throttled with big lags.
The testing on the second Flex impact that I have was closer to that of the Milwaukee but still exceeding it. While I think you can certainly drive these larger lags with these impacts, if you are doing many of them, I would switch to an impact wrench just to avoid the repeated stress on the tool. Anything up to an 8" Timberlok though I think that you are good.
Let's hope there's a breakthrough in battery technology soon. Watching "tests" of these underpowered, overpriced impact drivers with their enormously cumbersome battery packs is depressing.
In my opinion, you can run the 860 on the 1.7ah powerstack and achieve some respectable performance and it pretty much eliminates concern about the cumbersome battery. As for the underpowered component, I am not sure how much more power is realistic in a 1/4" impact driver. I think that is more the limiting factor than it is the batteries or motors at this point.
@@TinkerWithTools
I'd agree to some extent. I think for an impact driver that's as big as you would want to go. But even the big batteries struggle to screw in anything over 5".
Watch your own videos; "compact" tool? Short from front to rear, certainly, but two handed operation and with a grenade sized battery on the end? The companies tell a good fairy story of how they'll get into tight spaces, but I believe them about as much as I believe in the emperor's new clothes.
Nice guy, nice channel. Good luck, Tinker.
I noticed that this guy doesn't know how to use an impact. he goes full trigger press when the fastener isnt even in the wood thus spinning for a white and skewing results.
Powerstack 5Ah not good for speed.
Except powerstack 1.7Ah, or flexvolt
Why do you say that?
Not a good comparison. Each time you could be putting different amounts of pressure. Best channel to get percise comparison is project farm by a long shot. Thanks for comparison its just not accurate
I am going to assume you are referring to Project Farm. If so, Todd does a great job at removing some of the variables to the testing. While I agree that there are variables that aren't controlled here, my inclusion of testing and times is to help articulate differences between tools if any, while using them. When you use a tool back to back with another, you get a feel for that but it's hard to show that in a video since the viewer may not have experienced each of those tools.
Dewalt tools……looks like a bee but doesn’t sting like a bee🤣☕️
Unless you are timing it with a stop watch or a head to head, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the three even on the tests where it performed worse. Of the total of 16 tests that I did, Milwaukee won 6, Dewalt and Flex both won 5.
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Best?! DCF860 is so ridiculously over-powered that it can't control itself. Can't put that power down properly! Heck, it's only a matter of time before DeWALT issues a recall after enough folks experience this tool's uncontrolled power.
So which one is your go to and you use daily?
Not fot the faint hearted.
Given its performance in the testing and the use that I have in the first two weeks, it's a pretty nice impact driver. Perfect? No, but it's not he let down that some of their past "top" offerings have been so I am calling that a win.
@@swampfoxpicks6908
Not daily. But I use the FLEX, and recommend it over team yellow or team red.
@@TinkerWithTools
That's great. Seems you got one of the ones that performs well. I just honestly see no point in a powerful tool that lacks control. The one I bought was so bad, I took it back the very next day. Went online, turns out I didn't get a rare lemon. Checked regarding the Milwaukee M18 Fuel Gen. 4, turns out those have their own issues, while the Milwaukee M12 version is PERFECT! In the end, got a good deal on the FLEX. Very happy with it.
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Dewalt have soo many impact drivers and drills. If you're new to power tools. You'll have no idea which one is with.
I made a video last year reviewing the full impact driver line up (now out of date) and another with the full drill line up (soon to be out of date). While the product offerings are confusing, I have to give Dewalt credit for their recent steps to add clarity. Time will tell if they are successful, but it seems like a positive direction.
Your testing was far less "scientific" than TTC's. WAY too many variables, some could even be intentional bias, that could easily skew the results. The DCF850 DOES compete, very well, with those others. The DCF860 has been proven to be far more powerful using actual scientific testing with far fewer variables. So much so that I don't even think I will buy it, because my DCF850 already breaks adapters occasionally - I really don't want to deal with a tool that breaks them regularly - and then is a pain in the behind to remove the broken half.
My issue with the 850 is simply that when they released it and then the 845, they kept releasing the same level of impact driver that didn't offer a significant improvement over what they already had on the market. The 860 was that step up in terms of performance. It makes the 850/845 make more sense in their lineup since you aren't asking those impacts to be the product goes head to head with the Milwaukee and the Flex top products. It's much like the DCD800 is my preferred drill to use out of just about everything but I would never ask it to try and out do something like the M18 Fuel full size or other full size drills like the Bosch, Makita and Flex. That's what they have the DCD999 and now the upcoming DCD1007 for.
As for TTC, you are right. My testing isn't as scientific as TTC, and I doubt that even as it improves (just as it has over the last 2 years) that it will reach their level. They are really good at what they do, and I am glad that they exist as a resource to provide that scientific data as a companion to the type of testing and context I provide.
Just can’t trust DeFault!
Had bad experience with them in the past?
You guys equate power with being better I want tools to last long and the old I still see is dewalt
I think it depends on what you look for. Based on DEWALTs impact wrenches, which are awesome, I always felt like there was more to offer in an impact driver. The last impacts always failed to make an impact on me simply because it just felt like more the same. Time will tell if this one lasts but so far I think it’s a good impact even if it’s not for everyone.
Like always a very very good and reliable comparison 👍🫡
Thank you for indicating torque in Nm and size/weight in metric as well
No problem 👍