I'm a huge advocate for the hydraulic impact drivers. They are so buttery smooth!!! My favorite thing about impact drivers is feeling like I'm in control without any force on my body. The Milwaukee Surge is my daily driver
I finally got to put my surge to the test and it as great! Until I had to drive a lag. It struggled driving a 3/8 x 5" lag through two 2" thick stringers and a 4x4. Looks like I will have to get the Fuel Impact driver for that kind of stuff. Or break out the impact wrench.
For the money the Flex is untouched! They are so cheap now you can get the flex with a double stacked 10 amp hour battery for less than those other 2. It will be faster for sure with the big battery. Flex for the win!
So for light to medium duty fasteners it comes down to which tool is more comfortable to use (which the dewalt loses) cause they are all about the same
Yeah I agree, and for the DIY’er/ homeowner that isn’t making money off their tools, the speed isn’t as important. Obviously you don’t want your tool taking forever to do a simple task, but a few seconds difference won’t matter if you’re not a professional. Pick one you like, they’re all great, except the overpriced Makita.
@@jjb0894 The older Dewalt impact drivers are really comfortable to use. The DCF787 has been my go to since I got it, but it’s pretty slow compared with the newer models. Metabo HPT has really good ergonomics, and I also like the 4 mode Ridgid.
I would take flex because they sometimes offer the founder warranty they did last year and they might do it again so I'm gonna take flex cause lifetime warranty is also the best
You’re definitely the only channel I’ve seen that shows the battery of each tool, shows the speed of each tool, what you’re drilling into, the type of screw and the specs of the tool. It really shows a level of transparency that you just don’t see in the other channels. Keep up the great work sir, your channel is definitely underrated.
Hey dude, a bit of feedback, you flash the results way to fast to read I had to go back and pause to read them at 1:47 it would be nice if you left them on the screen a little longer
i would like to make a note that you are using the milwuakee fuel m18 wrong, it is supposed to be with a High output 3ah or 6ah hour battery because it gets 25% more power from it, otherwise using a 5ah attery is just like using a regular milwaukee m18 impact driver
Of all of these the Milwaukee would be my favorite, followed by the Flex. I don't like putting these big batteries on impact drivers, and that's a lot of the weight
@@ToolswithSoAlzmy grandfather never complained when he handsawed and hammered every nail so I don't think I'm going to complain when a drill weighs maybe a pound more than another
Great test thank you. Too powerful, fast and big for my needs. Really interesting to hear about the effects of using it. If you drive big fasteners I guess it has it uses but as you’ve told us use a drill and save yourself from being deafened and shaken using a monster impact driver.
Do the new DeWalts still have the wobble?? I've had 887, 885, and now the 850 and they all have a wobble when compared to other impacts. It sucks bc I like DeWalt but putting in sheet metal screws with the 850 is almost impossible at times bc of the horrible wobble when starting out smh. I'd love to know if they have fixed that yet??
@ToolswithSoAlz 😡😡 whyyyyy it cannot possibly be that hard to fix. None of the other impacts wobble as bad. I think I'm just gonna switch over to Milwaukee when their next Gen comes out.
I was really exited to buy a gen 4 Milwaukee but then I saw a few videos and a read a bit about some problems they can get and now I’m not sure about it. What would you say about that and have you had any issues, I know torque test channel has bought like 6
The problems people have had with the Gen 4 is because they're using it for things they shouldn't. If you use it properly, then you'll never have an issue
@@ToolswithSoAlz sounds great from what I heard people say it broke when in the self tapping mode all I will probably be using it for will be for around the house stuff with like 2-3 inch wood screws and when I rebuild my deck later on
I bought the gen 4 some months ago and then saw the same video you're talking about where TTC said they already had about 5 or 6 break on them and they said they buy tools from several places to make up for possible quality control issues. Made me a bit concerned about my purchase. Assuming the price is right for black Friday we'll see if I buy more into flex (will say their tools are heavy) before the lifetime warranty is gone at the end of 2024 (goes to 5 year like Milwaukee). DeWalt has so many good things and so many issues it's hard to buy into yellow now. My chainsaw came without the bolt and washer that keep the chain from coming off, the XR polesaw replacement I got had the head "re-designed" to some pale inferior metal, and they have known issues with the flexvolt miter saws (which when they're working do great) among other customer service/warranty issues so I'm just bummed to see inconsistencies from them. That being said their HP angle grinder discs, black and gold drill bits, new and old utility knives, and carbide utility blades are awesome.
Looked like you fumbled around on the speeds in the beginning. I did the same test with the Milwaukee and it hit 3.4 second. You just a little slow buddy
@kingdom.citizen Ohm's law- Volts x Amps= watts. Watts is the measure of actual work being done. Voltage alone doesn't mean much. think the point of this test is to compare Impact Drivers that compete with each other. If you put a meter on the drivers, you'll see that the voltage drops as the battery is drained, and most batteries only have 24v, 20v, or 18v at peak charge. The voltage is more marketing than it is a good measure of power.
So, you prefer the men you watch to be thinner and more attractive to you. Congratulations on outing yourself, Princess. The only tool you've ever used your brother was born with and it's your favorite flavor. Go back to grabbing your ankles and leave the tools to men.
@@ToolswithSoAlzto be fair the flex batteries are a 1st gen platform, flex has never done this before and can compete with the best. Not to mention if you threw the 3.5 double stack lithium it would absolutely walk the other 2 drills. It's why I'm reaching for flex everytime I do timber framing
The stuff you have been saying about it being hard to keep on a screw came to fruition in watching Torque Test Channel. Where the impact machanism hits the planetaries and causes that.
Ma'am, you should know what you're talking about before commenting to avoid looking like a fool the next time. You know absolutely nothing about tools and I'm embarrassed for you
@@americafirst6016 the power stacks are great, but they wear out a lot quicker than the XR batteries. They still charge and produce the same power, but they drain super fast after a couple years of heavy use.
@thewalkerband875 to me, I'm not one to get upset about a battery going bad or getting weak after a couple of years. I'd rather just get a new battery. I only buy the tools if I get a deal on batteries as well that way I can cycle through my inventory and not be so hard on just 1 or 2 batteries
This is so stupid, when you test Milwaukee u used less power on ur hands to hold it down. And who could u put first screw in for Dewalt for 5+ seconds and only 4 and change for the second screw?
No you do not test speed by multiple screws You screw up going from 1 screw to another Pathetic Vcg construction does the same crap You measure time with 1 screw Amazing how im the only one that sees people mess up going from 1 screw to the next Open your eyes Horrible testing
So since Torque Test Channel says it is a beast in reverse I kind of wondered what your thoughts were if you had some reverse threaded screws. I know not practical just interesting.
@ToolswithSoAlz I completely understand that and is why I said it isnt practical. More interesting and if they made an 861 that was reverse of the 860 we could see if the 860 was smoother and more powerful.
Alright I’m only 52 seconds in and I’m smelling a rat… I hope I’m wrong but please don’t rig the test against DeWALT. The Flex has the stack lithium battery, Milwaukee is using the red lithium battery but I don’t see a power stack battery on the DeWALT. If this is a fair comparison and has any integrity I hope you put a power stack on the DeWALT. If you don’t we’ll all know it’s rigged
Ma'am you shouldn't be here. You're a whiny fangirl. You'll be better off somewhere with other whiny little fangirls. Maybe go back to the Den of Fools?
I'm a huge advocate for the hydraulic impact drivers. They are so buttery smooth!!! My favorite thing about impact drivers is feeling like I'm in control without any force on my body. The Milwaukee Surge is my daily driver
The new DEWALT XR DCF 870 should be coming out soon
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUYcan't wait. It's nearly out
I finally got to put my surge to the test and it as great! Until I had to drive a lag. It struggled driving a 3/8 x 5" lag through two 2" thick stringers and a 4x4. Looks like I will have to get the Fuel Impact driver for that kind of stuff. Or break out the impact wrench.
1:06 pretty close either way, but we said 3840 RPM simply because that's what it measures at. The Flex is 4,450 IPM
I couldn't remember what you had said
For the money the Flex is untouched! They are so cheap now you can get the flex with a double stacked 10 amp hour battery for less than those other 2. It will be faster for sure with the big battery. Flex for the win!
Flex battery = system CAS metabo
So for light to medium duty fasteners it comes down to which tool is more comfortable to use (which the dewalt loses) cause they are all about the same
For standard fasteners, you can literally just flip a coin because there are plenty of impact drivers to choose from.
Yeah I agree, and for the DIY’er/ homeowner that isn’t making money off their tools, the speed isn’t as important.
Obviously you don’t want your tool taking forever to do a simple task, but a few seconds difference won’t matter if you’re not a professional.
Pick one you like, they’re all great, except the overpriced Makita.
@@jjb0894 The older Dewalt impact drivers are really comfortable to use. The DCF787 has been my go to since I got it, but it’s pretty slow compared with the newer models.
Metabo HPT has really good ergonomics, and I also like the 4 mode Ridgid.
I would take flex because they sometimes offer the founder warranty they did last year and they might do it again so I'm gonna take flex cause lifetime warranty is also the best
You’re definitely the only channel I’ve seen that shows the battery of each tool, shows the speed of each tool, what you’re drilling into, the type of screw and the specs of the tool.
It really shows a level of transparency that you just don’t see in the other channels.
Keep up the great work sir, your channel is definitely underrated.
Thank you very much
Hey dude, a bit of feedback, you flash the results way to fast to read I had to go back and pause to read them at 1:47 it would be nice if you left them on the screen a little longer
Ok
Phillips head? And you included the stripping head part from the flex? I don’t understand
💩 happens
i would like to make a note that you are using the milwuakee fuel m18 wrong, it is supposed to be with a High output 3ah or 6ah hour battery because it gets 25% more power from it, otherwise using a 5ah attery is just like using a regular milwaukee m18 impact driver
Dry your eyes little fangirl
@@ToolswithSoAlz
😂
In general, most influencers remain neutral. 😉
That was hilarious. 😊
Please give this man a like no one tests them like him
Thank you sir
@@ToolswithSoAlzwhy do you shake so much?
@fasttimes188 I have Parkinson's disease
@@KLartrandM project farm is great fantastic channel this guy is quicker and funnier
@@KLartrandMRobert's knowledge on power tools is superior to PF's, they both are great in their own leagues.
Why is it that with the timber screw you took your right hand off with the flex and milwaukee but not the dewalt?
Because you're looking for excuses to explain that which you have absolutely no idea
@@ToolswithSoAlz oh that clarifies a lot, thanks🤣
I don't know why people would go with flex when it weighs a metric ton when the others perform just as well
Of all of these the Milwaukee would be my favorite, followed by the Flex. I don't like putting these big batteries on impact drivers, and that's a lot of the weight
@@ToolswithSoAlzmy grandfather never complained when he handsawed and hammered every nail so I don't think I'm going to complain when a drill weighs maybe a pound more than another
It's 2.5 lbs Sunshine
Great test thank you. Too powerful, fast and big for my needs. Really interesting to hear about the effects of using it. If you drive big fasteners I guess it has it uses but as you’ve told us use a drill and save yourself from being deafened and shaken using a monster impact driver.
I would love to see your thoughts on Hilti ?
Do the new DeWalts still have the wobble?? I've had 887, 885, and now the 850 and they all have a wobble when compared to other impacts. It sucks bc I like DeWalt but putting in sheet metal screws with the 850 is almost impossible at times bc of the horrible wobble when starting out smh. I'd love to know if they have fixed that yet??
Yes
@ToolswithSoAlz 😡😡 whyyyyy it cannot possibly be that hard to fix. None of the other impacts wobble as bad. I think I'm just gonna switch over to Milwaukee when their next Gen comes out.
@bryanr1159 Why fix what people are still willing to pay for?
You just need more practice.I got the 887 and screw sheet metal screws all day no problem.
I was really exited to buy a gen 4 Milwaukee but then I saw a few videos and a read a bit about some problems they can get and now I’m not sure about it. What would you say about that and have you had any issues, I know torque test channel has bought like 6
The problems people have had with the Gen 4 is because they're using it for things they shouldn't. If you use it properly, then you'll never have an issue
@@ToolswithSoAlz sounds great from what I heard people say it broke when in the self tapping mode all I will probably be using it for will be for around the house stuff with like 2-3 inch wood screws and when I rebuild my deck later on
I bought the gen 4 some months ago and then saw the same video you're talking about where TTC said they already had about 5 or 6 break on them and they said they buy tools from several places to make up for possible quality control issues. Made me a bit concerned about my purchase. Assuming the price is right for black Friday we'll see if I buy more into flex (will say their tools are heavy) before the lifetime warranty is gone at the end of 2024 (goes to 5 year like Milwaukee). DeWalt has so many good things and so many issues it's hard to buy into yellow now. My chainsaw came without the bolt and washer that keep the chain from coming off, the XR polesaw replacement I got had the head "re-designed" to some pale inferior metal, and they have known issues with the flexvolt miter saws (which when they're working do great) among other customer service/warranty issues so I'm just bummed to see inconsistencies from them. That being said their HP angle grinder discs, black and gold drill bits, new and old utility knives, and carbide utility blades are awesome.
Looked like you fumbled around on the speeds in the beginning. I did the same test with the Milwaukee and it hit 3.4 second. You just a little slow buddy
Ma'am pick up your little camera and prove me wrong or STFUB
so big question which one is the best one ? planing to buy a system. thanks
Milwaukee is the smallest, lightest, and most comfortable for me
Does it matter that one is 24v, 20v, 18v. Should you use a different battery?
Nope
@@ToolswithSoAlz just wondering. 24v. Vs 18v. Seems unfair. But idk. I guess not
@kingdom.citizen Ohm's law- Volts x Amps= watts. Watts is the measure of actual work being done. Voltage alone doesn't mean much. think the point of this test is to compare Impact Drivers that compete with each other. If you put a meter on the drivers, you'll see that the voltage drops as the battery is drained, and most batteries only have 24v, 20v, or 18v at peak charge. The voltage is more marketing than it is a good measure of power.
not bad for a standard 5 from dewalt
Apparently everything else having the same 5ah didn't matter. Dewalt fangirl
Awe, I hurt this little girl's feelings. Ma'am go back to grabbing your ankles and leave the tools to men
So, you prefer the men you watch to be thinner and more attractive to you. Congratulations on outing yourself, Princess. The only tool you've ever used your brother was born with and it's your favorite flavor. Go back to grabbing your ankles and leave the tools to men.
@@ToolswithSoAlzto be fair the flex batteries are a 1st gen platform, flex has never done this before and can compete with the best. Not to mention if you threw the 3.5 double stack lithium it would absolutely walk the other 2 drills. It's why I'm reaching for flex everytime I do timber framing
I wish they would start selling Flex here in Australia
I bet
Why?
Which brand has the lowest vibration?
Of these three? Probably the Flex
@@ToolswithSoAlzthanks! What about top drivers in general that may not be in this video? Thanks again
I'm partial to the Ridgid
The stuff you have been saying about it being hard to keep on a screw came to fruition in watching Torque Test Channel. Where the impact machanism hits the planetaries and causes that.
I believe I said exactly that when I was testing it
Again a awesome review 👏 👌
Thank you
notice how smooth the milwaukee impacts compared to the flex and dewalt hammer skipping?
Quite a bit
Nice video and good test setup more realistic!
Thank you
Why do you test most powerfull drivers on eco mode? get max battary power next time
Ma'am, you should know what you're talking about before commenting to avoid looking like a fool the next time. You know absolutely nothing about tools and I'm embarrassed for you
I like impact driver , i've the Milwaukee Gen4 18V and the 12V , Dewalt 12v and the Bosch GDX aka Freak.
You must have bought that dewalt of aliexpress from china
I didn't buy it at all. A channel member purchased it and sent it to us
Yeah,what’s with all the Chinese writing on it?
China or whatever is still the 860 folks. Come on
@@ToolswithSoAlz Channel member must be from China
Flex is the Best / and winner! 💪
Good stuff man
Thank you
The powerstacks on dewalts are the best
@@americafirst6016 the power stacks are great, but they wear out a lot quicker than the XR batteries. They still charge and produce the same power, but they drain super fast after a couple years of heavy use.
@thewalkerband875 to me, I'm not one to get upset about a battery going bad or getting weak after a couple of years. I'd rather just get a new battery. I only buy the tools if I get a deal on batteries as well that way I can cycle through my inventory and not be so hard on just 1 or 2 batteries
Good video
Thank you
This is so stupid, when you test Milwaukee u used less power on ur hands to hold it down. And who could u put first screw in for Dewalt for 5+ seconds and only 4 and change for the second screw?
Ma'am you're letting your excuses expose your ignorance
No you do not test speed by multiple screws
You screw up going from 1 screw to another
Pathetic
Vcg construction does the same crap
You measure time with 1 screw
Amazing how im the only one that sees people mess up going from 1 screw to the next
Open your eyes
Horrible testing
Ma'am pick up your little camera and show everyone how it's done or shut the f**k up and stop being a whiny little b**ch
So since Torque Test Channel says it is a beast in reverse I kind of wondered what your thoughts were if you had some reverse threaded screws. I know not practical just interesting.
I can't think of a single application where it would be useful
@ToolswithSoAlz I completely understand that and is why I said it isnt practical.
More interesting and if they made an 861 that was reverse of the 860 we could see if the 860 was smoother and more powerful.
Runs good with a 8 xr battery dewalt finally put out
Don't put a big stupid battery on an impact
Alright I’m only 52 seconds in and I’m smelling a rat… I hope I’m wrong but please don’t rig the test against DeWALT. The Flex has the stack lithium battery, Milwaukee is using the red lithium battery but I don’t see a power stack battery on the DeWALT. If this is a fair comparison and has any integrity I hope you put a power stack on the DeWALT. If you don’t we’ll all know it’s rigged
Ma'am you shouldn't be here. You're a whiny fangirl. You'll be better off somewhere with other whiny little fangirls. Maybe go back to the Den of Fools?
Ma'am, you didn't watch. You're just a whiny little fangirl who can't handle what she saw. You should get your husband to console you, Sweety
If anything the DeWalt better kept up with stack lithium🎉
@aetorres7422 um....not a single one of them used stacked lithium. Next excuse!
Definitely some human error with this test but I think the dewalt stacks up.
Whatever lie you need to tell yourself
Smoke VS scorpion VS Ermac
Ok
Correct test like this vídeo thanks and subscribe on his channel ,god
Что за говнотесты???
Awe, her tool brand lost and now she's having a mental breakdown. Get your husband to console you, Sweety
U can't use different bit lengths my guy
Ma'am pick up your little camera and prove me wrong or STFUB
🎉😊
Milwaukee has more consistency and smooth
I can agree and see where you're coming from