Lol, there's Brittany in this video, in the F Tier at the end 😂 Also, is no one questioning how Raggins mentioned that White Pikmin taste gross at 3:39? Raggins really IS a Bulborb, folks! Also, remember that Dog is God backwards 🐶
I love how we all assumed that ice Pikmin were going to invalidate blue pikmin completely, but in the end they invalidated winged pikmin because an airborne foe becomes a joke when you can just outright kill them
@@jasonthompson8732I feel like the removal of literally every winged Pikmin hazard is the bulk of the issue, alongside you only having 10 for more than half the game
I truly hope if pikmin 4 gets dlc they’ll fix the winged pikmins path finding it’s so bizarre and honestly feels like the winged pikmin were unfinished and an afterthought kinda like how purples worked in 3
assuming this dlc has new areas, I also hope for more use of crystals to make rock pikmin more important, and crystal walls to be blast proof because when you do find a crystal in the main game, you can just pull out a bomb rock.
@@ritter3723 What if there were more caves like Submerged Castle where you can only use one type or limited amount of types? Like the Dandori challenges, but more like traditional caves with no time limit. Imagine doing a cave with only purple pikmin, but you need to keep all of them alive to get the final treasure! For example starting with 10 purple pikmin and the final treasure requires those 10 purple pikmin but the cave is filled with large enemies and traps. A different idea is a Dandori Challenge but instead of going into a cave you do it in the open area. What if the Dandori Challenge area was Serene Shores with all the water but you don't have any blue or ice for the challenge and you instead have to get yellow pikmin or winged pikmin around. I just think to make Pikmin 4 more challenging is to have Pikmin that are not the best for the area. (like how Submerged Castle made you only have blue Pikmin but electrical hazards and fire hazards)
@@minedone1236there was actually another cave like submerged castle in that regard. In hero’s hideaway there is a cave on a stovetop you can only bring reds into. It’s filled with ice hazards tho.
Honestly they just didn’t have to get rid of Mission Mode, especially Pikmin 3’s, Mission mode is the most replayable and fun part of 3 and it’s always fun to be able to go back to them, yes Dandori challenges are there but they are not the same, I liked going to battle enemies and trying to kill all the enemies and having to go through find treasures in almost one normal day in the actual game amount of time, it was really fun and they really could have used this to give more use and time to Pikmin types they didn’t give much time to, Winged and Rocks (even if weirdly Winged and Rocks were my fav uses in the game after getting their onions) they do need to fix their path finding since really they can just fly over anything and bring it to the ship which is weird it didn’t happen, a DLC with a mission mode, boss rush, maybe a zone or 2 where u already have all the onions and Pikmin types (this was a need in the game they should have given you all the Pikmin types onions and then make the last zone need a use of all of them to use them) Every Pikmin is fairly good and balanced in the game with some minor mistakes, they just needed for more use to their own abilities.
I just wanna say, i've tested this in the piklopedia, a combo of 85 purples and 15 ice pikmin can one cycle any enemy in the game besides the final boss and maybe one other. I mean, you can kill the man at legs before it unearths if you hit the oatchi charge at the right angle (obviously the strat depends on the busted oatchi charge.)
White pikmin really got nerfed to the point that you almost use it to carry things faster or deal with poison hazards, it would have been cool to introduce again the skill to see buried treasures and dig them
Carry speed and hazard immunity are so important though! White pikmin can run right past a lot of enemies, and the Bramble Thicket is built almost entirely around poison. The only other area that features a hazard so heavily is the Serene Shores, so the closest comparison for white pikmin are actually blues At least imo
Whites seeing buried treasures was dumb imo. It doesn’t make any sense first of all and second it forced me to use whites for every cave despite me not wanting me to. Meaning I usually had ten pikmin who were literally useless for the majority of the cave and only became useful for one treasure in the entire cave.
Err, no? White Pikmin are still nuts, way better than Winged Pikmin are. (Like objectively, White Pikmin are better than Winged 99 times out of 100.) Winged Pikmin are frankly useless everywhere besides one dungeon at the end of the game, and you only get 10 of them until close to the end of the game. White Pikmin are faster, benefit most from being Flowered, and still have the damage on being eaten perk, which combined with there being a White Onion, has no drawbacks. I honestly think White Pikmin are a top tier choice because of their having an Onion. After I got their Onion, they did all of the carrying for me, it made the whole process much quicker. (And I just fed them to everything that could eat, since their corpses would just repopulate my losses and then some.)
@@comp.lex4yeah but why use white pikmin when oatchi can get rid of poison hazards both faster and kill poison enemies more efficently so the only argument for whites are the FLOWERED carrying speed the leaf whites carrying speed ain’t nothing to write home about
I’m gonna be honest. I think Pikmin 4 handled combat pretty well. Purple pikmin are the best at throwing and Rock Pikmin are the best at charging. Red Pikmin are much more expendable though. I do think Purples are still the best, but by a thin margin. Also, Rock Pikmin got buffed, they now do 4X damage and charging has no penalty.
@@yes3206 It is x4 (the standard damage per hit is 10 and rovks hit for 40) In fact a group of 20 rocks charging can oneshot most enemies in the game, and a squad of 100 can one cycle every enemy without needing spray or oatchi, even Foolix and its 10000 something hp.
Also Purple Pikmin count as a 10 weight for enemies that require multiple pikmin to latch onto them to expose a weakness. IE the Red Armored Scorpidile that will almost always kill pikmin if you rush attack it on Oatchi versus throwing be the safer option, you have to throw 15 Pikmin onto it's tail... or 2 purple. Endangering 2 purple pikmin lightly versus endangering fifteen pikmin of any other color far more. Oatchi also has the ability, if you charge(Not Rush) him forward near them, to identify and bark at underground/hidden enemies making them pop up or reveal themselves without having to endanger Pikmin.
@@just_call_me_leo there's 2 enemies that take 15 weight to expose weakness crusted rumpup and the dude thats ontop of the sand castle in blue pikmin area [red armored scorpidile], serene shores pretty sure i might just be stupid, and crusted rumpup isn't final boss, probably am, but idk
Despite Yellow Pikmin being low on this tier list they are still my favorite. They can be pretty useful when trying to reach places higher up than usual and can dig faster than any pikmin making collecting buried raw materials faster and easier. Oh well 💛
Very true! I actually found throughout my play through that I was able to use Oatchi to ram into the walls and knock down the treasures more often, and yellows became less and less useful for me because of that. But there is still something really cute about them that I admire and love hehe
I'm also shocked they didn't use yellow's throwing height much in this game. Most of the time they wanted you to knock treasures down with Oatchi's headbutt.
I think white pikmin should attack slighty faster (to both compensate the ×0.5 damage and represent their hasty speed). Also a concept I had for them is to spit poison (like shown in an official pikmin animation) which deals x1 damage and has a bit of a range (they will latch onto enemies if thrown directly or when too close)
Because of how late winged pikmin come in to pikmin 4, as well as the game constantly recommending yellow pikmin, I ended up using the yellows quite a lot on my pikmin 4 playthrough
The only thing I think winged, rock and yellow pikmin need to be more useful is some of the Pikmin 3 obstacles to come back, bamboo gates, crystals and electrical wires, with those back they'd feel much more useful
Another person overrating blues again. No water then no blues or water hazards then when you would use blues. Reds are pretty good fighters for the early game and being fire resistant is nice, Yellows digging speed and throw height is useful to get objects and fight certain things, and being immune to electricity is pretty nice, Whites speed, and poison damage is really helpful for whites because that makes them great for carrying items back if an enemies eat one, and having poison immunity is a nice perk. Purples being strong is pretty self-explanatory. Winged flying over stuff like water and surfaces (yeah, their path finding is weird) is very strong basically going over a lot of enemies and carrying treasure completely safely. Rocks are great with oatchi`s charge and aren't really stupid anymore. Ice boys are great at assisting another pikmin in combat and plus they can literally just freeze water. Blues still suck and just because there is another hazard that blues are good with doesn't make them A tier, they should be F. just like the tier list from the guy who had the small key argument they should be more than their required use cases.
Here's how I'd change each Pikmin for a more balanced game: Red: Keep the same Yellow: Make them deal increased damage to stunned enemies. Blue: Make them more resistant to losing their flower, and have them slowly go from Leaf to Bud to Flower over time while standing in water for extended periods of time. Purple: Slightly nerf the initial throw power. White: Make them get up faster after being knocked down or shaken off. Rock: Slightly reduce the amount of damage they do on throw from 4x to 2.5x. However, they do 4x damage to frozen enemies. Throwing them at enemy parts that would normally take no damage (such as the back of an Emperor Bulblax) will deal half of normal damage instead. Make them drown faster, just for flavor. Winged: Make their pathing better. Ice: Increase the amount of time it takes to freeze an enemy, and decrease the amount of time they stay frozen. Glow: Keep the same
Rock pikmin have an attack power of 40, which is 4 times the default of 10. Rock pikmin use this attack power of 40 for when they charge, attack on their own, and in some cases when they are thrown. Rock pikmin's impact damage when thrown varies depending on which enemy they hit, but in many cases it is 40. One unique interaction is that they one-shot a single berry from a Burgeoning Spiderwort and then fall off it, this makes them the fastest at farming ultra-spicy spray. Ironically, rock pikmin themselves get nerfed when under the effect of ultra-spicy spray, since it sets their attack power to the default of 10 and they can't really use the increased attack speed. The ultra-spicy will also set the impact damage when thrown to 10 if it is 40 (the same as their attack power), but the impact damage will be unaffected if the impact damage is not 40. Purple pikmin's slam damage is 100, which is twice the slam damage of 50 that they had in Pikmin 2. Glow pikmin have the default attack power of 10, not 5. The glowmob explosion does not deal any direct damage, it only stuns. The glowmob will also revert the maturity of the glow pikmin back into leaves. The 5 attack power of the winged, white, and ice pikmin can be negated with ultra-spicy spray as it sets their attack power to the default of 10. In Pikmin 3, winged pikmin were immune to all forms of crush damage except from the Quaggled Mireclops (which also killed rock pikmin) and the crystals of the Plasm Wraith. In Pikmin 4, they seem to be a bit "crush resistant", but this can vary a lot based on the attack. In some cases, they instantly get killed, like the other pikmin types from crush damage. Sometimes they get knocked down first or only get killed if they are already knocked down or affected by another status. They also seem to be immune to the crush damage of the Horned Cannon Beetle and Armored Cannon Larva and only get knocked down. There is also other weird jank with them, I would not be surprised if they used the rock pikmin's code as the base for the winged pikmin.
@@DarkReaper-oj2nd If you time it right, you can break some electrical barriers (apart from the walls) with multiple different types of pikmin, fire barriers can also be broken with different types of pikmin. Water, only blue pikmin can go into and survive. Although, ice pikmin can freeze the water but in most cases the water requires 100 ice pikmin so it is useless.
The argument is actually pretty strong because at least other pikmin have perks unlike blues. Yellows at least have the fast digging speed while blues are just water so I would say blues are worse yellows .
Raggins technically blue is the worst cause of ice pikmin and oatchi and if an item isn't fully submerged in the water the winged pikmin can get it and Brittany and the other captains in pikmin 4 are -F tier
For the yellows, I'd argue that a) there's a decent amount of electric gates and high throw locations, especially early game, and more importantly b) they fig at *4x* the speed. If you have 4 of any pikmin and throw one yellow on, you literally double the dig speed. Their abilities are decent on paper, but whenever being used they're great. Also I strongly believe that Rocks are the worst in this game. Not because they're bad, but because by the time you get their onion, you have a decent amount of purples (assuming you're 100%). Rocks are nice for their immunity to being crushed, but its not really relevant most of the time, because you just have a bunch of spare pikmin in your onion. Most importantly, rocks suffer the most from bombs being an item. The few times glass walls appear, you can just throw a single bomb and boom, its done. I also think blues are still not that high, but thats because i dont think they have anything going for them besudes the fact the game features water. I dont have any other reason to pick them still.
@moss243 hm, I didn't catch that in the video, but despite the fact I don't think ranking the pikmin that way is a great idea, I fail to see how that changes anything I said. If you have all the pikmin early game, rocks are even more useless due to purples, and I referred to yellows early game as saying the first two areas use them a lot
@@moss243 I agree, but oatchi nerfs pretty much every pikmin. When playing pikmin with dandori/multitasking, being able to get stuff off ledges is still decently valuable
Interesting method of going about ranking everything with a number. I like how you started last and worked your way up to the best like a top 10 list. Great work as always.
I actually thought white pikmin were significantly buffed compared to every other game, just because of how much poison there is in the Bramble Thicket. The .5 damage multiplier is cancelled out by the fact that any other type will run away screaming from most enemies in this area, whereas white pikmin will barely lose a petal. I'd also put wings below yellows, since wings don't take very good shortcuts, can't cheese any puzzles like they did in 3, and are extremely limited in number until the game is basically over (unless you grind, you'll have 10 by the time you save Olimar.)
You only have 10 Winged Pikmin until Area 5, and their Onion is locked behind the last area. And besides from one cave in the last area, you can just use other Pikmin to do everything since there's nothing really for Winged Pikmin to do. On the other hand, I found White Pikmin to be incredibly uaeful, especially since you can get their Onion before even going to the Giant's Hearth, meaning you can grow a large population of them to feed to every enemy and there's no drawbacks to that since you can just use those corpses to grow even more. On top of being the faster carriers, benefiting more from being Flowered than the other types, and the Poison immunity, I honestly found myself always relying upon the strength of my White Pikmin. I quite honestly think that Winged Pikmin were severely overrated (And White and Yellow Pikmin were underrated) in this video.
Imagine that yellow Pikmin could have been able to shock enemies. Making them move slower or once they hit an enemy and you call them back, the enemy continues to get shocked for a small period of time
I know how you compared the game's balance to Smash Ultimate in that there is "no single ultimate choice who beats everything...." But I legit think Oatchi is the Brawl Meta Knight of the series. He plays an entirely different game to the rest of the cast.
yeah, oatchis charge is broken, to the point of me going to do another playthrough where i can only use oatchis charge when required (like the treasure in the hub area)
@@ritter3723 Maybe do a run where you don't upgrade Oatchi (other than the tutorial manditory upgrades). But yeah, Oatchi's charge attack is absurd. Especially when fully upgraded.
Yellows abilities are all simply invalidated by other pikmin. It’s high throw is rendered useless when oatchi rushes against the wall and it comes down and when you can throw a winged pikmin so swiftly get it. Its electric ability is underutilised in the game, as you said, and is easily flagged out with oatchi. And the electricity doesn’t even kill anymore - which I agree with you, makes it barely a hazard. Yellows are really only used in the final boss because you HAVE to. The problem is that there is no time where you WANT to, over another pikmin or oatchi which just makes the task simpler.
@@nickmo.6049 i meant insta kill. it takes about 5 seconds minimum for a pikmim to die to electricity, meaning it will not die unlesss youre not even looking
I think that white pikmin are probably the worst since they're so weak, the carrying speed barely helps, and it's easy to kill poison enemies with rocks' or purples' impact damage anyway. Winged pikmin are also extremely useful against tall enemies like arachnorbs since you can rush them with spicy spray, so I'd give them an 80 or so. (They also ignore poison mold.)
Funnily enough, Oatchi is actually a soft buff to Blue Pikmin due to allowing the devs to incorporate water into more of the map (since he can allow the player to transport them across the water), giving the player more reason to want to use them without making them strictly necessary.
Fun fact if a swoooping snitch bug grabs a purple in Pikmin 4 it will just fall go into pillories get purples and engage swooping snitchbugs don’t do anything and the snitch bugs will die
Through my regular playthrough, I found the following: S - Purples and Ice - Purples are great in Pikmin 4, but I still ended up being afraid to use them because of their scarcity, and because I didn't want to lose them. Yes, I could have just grew more in caves, but I didn't think to do that until after reaching the final area with the 1000 Pikmin treasure. I know they can be obtained via onions now too, but I didn't do that until after beating the game. - Ice Pikmin are ridiculously good. Freezing enemies is busted, and despite their poor combat abilities, when combined with other types, Ice Pikmin are exceptionally good. A - Reds, Blues, Whites - Reds are the jack of all trades Pikmin but with a power boost. They're objectively better than most types simply for their combat capabilities alone. Always useful in almost every situation. - Blues gained much needed usefulness this time around, with fully underwater sections where Winged can't even be useful. Sprinklers and Geysers were a great addition to making blues much more valuable. - Whites' speed is very useful, and considering the new poison enemies in 4, where even squashing a dwarf moldy bulborb isn't easy for any other types, Whites get a good amount of usage that other types simply cannot stand up to, thanks to poison hazards and enemies. Only thing that brings them down is their removed ability to see buried treasures, which should have been retained. Would have made them a requirement to complete certain caves and areas of the game, which would have been nice. B - Winged, Glow, Yellow - Winged Pikmin are still decent, but are nowhere near as busted as they used to be. Unfortunately, their carrying ability isn't as good, as they tend to take the standard paths unless there is a better one. In most situations, they're no more useful than other Pikmin, and lack a resistance, meaning they're only really good for carrying things, which puts them in competition with Whites, who I believe are much faster. - Glow Pikmin are generally restricted to night mode, but they can do everything. Very useful, and are only brought down by their restrictions. - Yellow Pikmin are still decent, but underwhelming thanks to Electricity not being fully lethal anymore. Their digging ability really should have been moved to Whites, and their higher throwingarc isn't nearly as useful because of Oatchi's ramming ability. Knocking things off ledges with Oatchi sadly invalidates Yellows alot. C - Rock - Rock Pikmin have definitely gotten the shaft in Pikmin 4. Yes, they have crush resistance, but that was even nerfed to be useless on hard floors now. Not to mention, their impact damage seems to be much lower than it was in 3, which may be due to higher health pools on enemies, I'm unsure. Either way, Rocks definitely don't hold up like in 3.
New blue pikmin ability: Bite. It's their own way of fighting similar to how rock pikmin don't latch on. I think this would up their damage just a bit, but not to 1.5x. New yellow pikmin ability: dart. When you throw yellow pikmin, they land feet first, like a dart. It adds a bit of landing damage similar to purples, and also a slight homing effect.
The problem imo with Yellows and Whites is that you get yellows so early that they become obsolete in late game because they have to introduce 6 more types after yellow and theyre abilities are purely field and non combative abilities -Whites also have a similar problem except the opposite. They're introduced so late into the game and aren't even given an onion in the main story that they're not really ever given a chance to do more with because most people will probably have 20 Whites by the time white pikmin are actually needed if they don't get their onion first which requires you to beat 2 whole side modes to unlock plus even if they are the fastest they're outclassed by wings because wings take shortcuts whike Whites must always stick to the path -erm actually reds also have the ability to break dirt walls faster 🤓🤓 - I still hate the notion that "blue pikmin are good because this area" in truth that's just bad game design. Since you have to make a whole area and locked sections dedicated to one pikmin type because they're ability is so useless everywhere else. It's bad game design because no other pikmin can enter and unlike with every other hazard you just have to destroy it and boom your other pikmin are now useful again but with water you can ONLY use blues and every other pikmin becomes irrelevant until that section is completed. That's bad game design through and through because it doesn't make me allocate my resources. It makes me take 100 blues out to do this locked section then return them when I'm done using them. If there was a lava only stage where I could only bring reds people would call would call it bad design -I think that having a pikmin limit was a bad choice but it's kinda fixed by the fact that oatchi can have every pikmin ability. It just goes to show that field skill pikmin like yellows, Whites and wings become less useful because they're abilities are too niche to recommend when there's such a strict limit when you could take more versatile pikmin like reds, ice and purple who not only have good field skills but good combat skills. You can't even have every pikmin type for the final boss. The game for some reason removes candy pop buds if you try to take every kind and so at most you can only bring 7 out of 9 types.
theres something you needed to mention: the tatical drone aka the survey drone + coop near the same tier of oatchi in opness you could use it to get rid of all enemies in a area before moving lol
Pikmin 4 was my first game. I had no stat. I was just happy I got a new type. I didn’t care the damage on red, purple, and rocks. I was just using the pikmin types that they want me to use. And I kinda sucked at it. The game took me months to beat. But when I was done. I forgot a cave
The caves in Pikmin 2 were so chaotic that having White Pikmin to grab a treasure and make a mad dash for the ship rather than fight them all was an incredibly useful strategy in certain cases. In 4, they don't hate the player, and therefore almost everyone kills every enemy pretty easily. Sad to see (aside from the game being more fun)
I nearly completely agree with this, however; I believe rocks should be placed higher up because 90 of them (with 10 purples of course) and Oatchi's Ultra Mega Rush a spicy spay, they can nearly insta kill the first sovereign bulblax.
Did anyone happen to realize that each Pikmin game adds new Pikmin with different colored flowers? Pikmin 1 has white 2 has Pink 3 has purple and 4 has yellow.
I like rock pikmin in this game as other pikmin types when I attempt to throw more than necessary to carry as object they often run in front of or behind the object before giving up. But because of the rocks different hitbox I never had that issue with them
I still prefer how electricity was handled in 4 over insta killing in 2 and non hazard in 3, just felt annoying how some hazards back in 2 you can save most but with electricity not so much. That said unfortunate on yellows being weaker here due to the others and Oatchi does there stuff better which is funny even the 4 koma comic admits this.
One cool thing about yellows is that you can use them to hit high up switches and treasures that would normally require oatchi. Is it faster? Dunno, but it is cool
Yes it is faster! Compare throwing 20 yellow pikmin at a treasure to Oatchi having to charge up a rush, hit a wall, then wait to rush again and have to do that about 2-3 times.
9.The Worst Pikmin Type is Probably Yellow Pikmin, Considering The fact that electric immunity unlocks sooner than Poison Immunity, and also due to the fact that oatchi can Dig Faster than them at max dig level, Plus electric hazards aren’t used much, and Consider Oatchi 1 hits gates/walls with Ultra spicy spray. 8. Wings: Although they can fly, I find that their Path finding is really bad, i find myself using whites more often than wings, or maybe thats just me. 7. Whites: because whites lack combat power and the ability to see underground treasures, I feel putting them here is as high as they will go. 6. Reds: Red pikmin have an ability that CANNOT be replicated, so i feel putting them here is right. 5. Blues I feel putting blues here is acceptable, considering that they dont have an ability that cannot be replicated, but oatchi cannot attack underwater when being controlled, so I feel putting them here is good. 4: rocks: if you have a lot of them, you can swarm them on enemies to deal tons of instant damage. In my opinion, rocks got buffed in this game because their AI is Greatly Increased, (maybe even the best in the game) because they jump up at enemies, + their 85% crush resistance is good. 3. Glow Pikmin: Makes night mode easy, Makes certain caves easy, basically one of the best pikmins in the game. Ice pikmin: Ice pikmin have so many abilities to the point where its right to put them here. 1. Purples: THE KING IS BACK! Must have in party at all times
I'll be honest.. Reds were probably, other than winged, my least used type for pikmin 4, mainly because the types I used were usually the recommended types, and reds are not recommended in any of the overworld areas after the first one and the giants hearth. And even then after I had burnt all the hay they were quickly redundant again
I think winged are better than rocks and should be swapped. Maybe it’s just me because I don’t see rocks as useful because right after the first main ending I got the purple onion and did that whole mission immediately and I already had way over 100 purple pikmin, so I had no reason to really use them other than Crystal rocks, which as you said, don’t appear that often
Blue pikmin are my fav Pikmin because they can go near anywhere and im sick of their mistreatment by nintendo until now. Nintendo showt out for finally making my fav type useful and more prominent
im definitely bias as whites have been my favourite type since i was a kid but i use them a lot. their movement speed is actually super useful in the overworld as they can probably get twice as many tasks done as other pikmin. theyre perfect for carrying corpses and treasure to base or building bridges and walls. if i need to get a lot done in one day (or when ive gone back to 100% old areas) i make sure to bring white pikmin to get everything done faster!! id argue they should be above wings as i believe they both have the goal of transport - but whites just do it better imo. besides water, you usually destroy all hazards you come by when youre exploring so usually your pikmin wont need to cross hazards to bring stuff back to your base. whites are just more efficient than wings for me!
I think yellow’s should be ranked higher than winged Pikmin. Winged Pikmin have a 0.5x damage multiplier while yellows have normal. Yellows also have a 4x dig speed and can be thrown higher which invalidates winged Pikmin with flying enemies, as you can just throw yellow Pikmin at them. Throw enough and they’ll be knocked down allowing you to charge your other Pikmin at them.
i would say glow pikmin are the best, but they arent available at day. only in caves or at night. They have nearly every immunity of the pikmin, fire immunity, water immunity, electricity immunity, poison immunity you get the gist. edit: i typed this before i saw the glow pikmin rank so yeah its the exact same thing as what Raggins said.
In the last cave because Beady Long Legs (I think that is what it is called) because it starts of in water i just froze the water with Ice pikmin and it was frozen permanently as when you freeze the water until it's unfrozen they are just stuck there so i simply destroyed that stupid spider which is such a pain in night expeditions
What happens if blue increased speed and damage if they’re in water and once they leave the water they need a few seconds to dry off making that they will stay buffed till they’re dry
If I were to nitpick, I would've swapped the impact damage between rocks and purples. Rocks deserve the impact damage because they can't latch on to deal more damage afterwards, and purples would still be the busted combat gods they still are.
If I can make an argument, blues haven't changed at all in usefulness. While they have a new water hazard akin to fire geysers, they still don't have anything outside of their requirements; still the small key but much fancier, like dayum the water graphics are tight.
I have a singular problem with ice Pikmin, and it is involved in the dandori challenges you specifically didn't mention. You don't get points in challenges if you freeze and destroy enemies., and it can stop you from getting medals.
I actually think rock pikmin are lowkey better than purples in Pikmin 4, because while purples can do more raw damage, with rocks you can hit, run away, and wait for Oatchi's charge to come back and easily cheese most enemies in the game without even losing too much time for it.
slight correction: the glowies have average attack strength. it wouldn't really make sense for them to have 0.5, considering their entire kit is built around the fast-paced night expeditions.
also a funny glitch i found with wing pikmin si were when i was geting a tresure i threw some on and then soem mroe and more and they rocketed to the stratessfear
Ice Pikmin are basically Bitter Sprays with extra steps.... 20 Ice Pikmin are enough to do the job Oddly, Rock Pikmin deal more damage than Purples when charging with Oatchi
Honestly, I don't even think yellows need Pikmin 2 electricity to be better, and I'll be honest, insta kills are never fun for me. It's true that it's pretty easy to save electrocuted pikmin, but if there were just more electric hazards and enemies in the game (especially early on) they would have much better utility for convenience. Maybe electricity should kill slightly faster or something, but I like having the ability to save Pikmin rather than losing your whole squad in a split second like some Pikmin 2 bs.
Ice pikmin ARE good, but... you really don't need them the second you get purple or rock pikmin. the ice damage just is overshadowed when you can one shot almost anything. Winged pikmin are also way too low. Even though they occasionally have buggy pathfinding, is that really something new for a pikmin game? They're the best at transporting anything. They're nearly immune to almost EVERY hazard. They don't deserve to be stuck in C tier. Glow pikmin should also be a bit lower, since, as said, you can't use them outside of caves or during night. They're also really not ever necessary for caves, especially with purple/rock pikmin, so overall they're never used outside of night.
Lol, there's Brittany in this video, in the F Tier at the end 😂
Also, is no one questioning how Raggins mentioned that White Pikmin taste gross at 3:39? Raggins really IS a Bulborb, folks!
Also, remember that Dog is God backwards 🐶
All my homies hate Brittany
@@Ragginsthe first time a woman appears in the series she’s hated
Hmmmmmm
Wait.....BURG GOD!?!?
@@minaashido518she steals food from her cremates
@@crazycanyon3028 hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I love how we all assumed that ice Pikmin were going to invalidate blue pikmin completely, but in the end they invalidated winged pikmin because an airborne foe becomes a joke when you can just outright kill them
I mean even so I don’t even think we even need winged in pikmin 4
That’s what I mean ice pikmin make winged pikmin only good for small shortcuts
even without ice Pikmin purple Pikmin immediately weigh down any creature.
@@jasonthompson8732I feel like the removal of literally every winged Pikmin hazard is the bulk of the issue, alongside you only having 10 for more than half the game
@@Picked-manWings are actually useless because even when wings are carrying stuff it never works and they take bad paths
I’m glad blues are finally not the worst type. And I feel like they’re even more useful because of how early you get them.
As a Winged Pikmin Enjoyer, it makes me happy to see you gave them a score of 69.
I truly hope if pikmin 4 gets dlc they’ll fix the winged pikmins path finding it’s so bizarre and honestly feels like the winged pikmin were unfinished and an afterthought kinda like how purples worked in 3
assuming this dlc has new areas, I also hope for more use of crystals to make rock pikmin more important, and crystal walls to be blast proof because when you do find a crystal in the main game, you can just pull out a bomb rock.
@@ritter3723 What if there were more caves like Submerged Castle where you can only use one type or limited amount of types? Like the Dandori challenges, but more like traditional caves with no time limit. Imagine doing a cave with only purple pikmin, but you need to keep all of them alive to get the final treasure! For example starting with 10 purple pikmin and the final treasure requires those 10 purple pikmin but the cave is filled with large enemies and traps.
A different idea is a Dandori Challenge but instead of going into a cave you do it in the open area. What if the Dandori Challenge area was Serene Shores with all the water but you don't have any blue or ice for the challenge and you instead have to get yellow pikmin or winged pikmin around.
I just think to make Pikmin 4 more challenging is to have Pikmin that are not the best for the area. (like how Submerged Castle made you only have blue Pikmin but electrical hazards and fire hazards)
@@minedone1236there was actually another cave like submerged castle in that regard. In hero’s hideaway there is a cave on a stovetop you can only bring reds into. It’s filled with ice hazards tho.
Oh yeah, forgot about that cave@@dsur5547
Honestly they just didn’t have to get rid of Mission Mode, especially Pikmin 3’s, Mission mode is the most replayable and fun part of 3 and it’s always fun to be able to go back to them, yes Dandori challenges are there but they are not the same, I liked going to battle enemies and trying to kill all the enemies and having to go through find treasures in almost one normal day in the actual game amount of time, it was really fun and they really could have used this to give more use and time to Pikmin types they didn’t give much time to, Winged and Rocks (even if weirdly Winged and Rocks were my fav uses in the game after getting their onions) they do need to fix their path finding since really they can just fly over anything and bring it to the ship which is weird it didn’t happen, a DLC with a mission mode, boss rush, maybe a zone or 2 where u already have all the onions and Pikmin types (this was a need in the game they should have given you all the Pikmin types onions and then make the last zone need a use of all of them to use them) Every Pikmin is fairly good and balanced in the game with some minor mistakes, they just needed for more use to their own abilities.
I just wanna say, i've tested this in the piklopedia, a combo of 85 purples and 15 ice pikmin can one cycle any enemy in the game besides the final boss and maybe one other. I mean, you can kill the man at legs before it unearths if you hit the oatchi charge at the right angle (obviously the strat depends on the busted oatchi charge.)
2:33
“Faster digging speed is cool, but it’s not groundbreaking”
Actually, that’s exactly what digging is
White pikmin really got nerfed to the point that you almost use it to carry things faster or deal with poison hazards, it would have been cool to introduce again the skill to see buried treasures and dig them
Carry speed and hazard immunity are so important though! White pikmin can run right past a lot of enemies, and the Bramble Thicket is built almost entirely around poison. The only other area that features a hazard so heavily is the Serene Shores, so the closest comparison for white pikmin are actually blues
At least imo
Whites seeing buried treasures was dumb imo. It doesn’t make any sense first of all and second it forced me to use whites for every cave despite me not wanting me to. Meaning I usually had ten pikmin who were literally useless for the majority of the cave and only became useful for one treasure in the entire cave.
Err, no?
White Pikmin are still nuts, way better than Winged Pikmin are. (Like objectively, White Pikmin are better than Winged 99 times out of 100.)
Winged Pikmin are frankly useless everywhere besides one dungeon at the end of the game, and you only get 10 of them until close to the end of the game.
White Pikmin are faster, benefit most from being Flowered, and still have the damage on being eaten perk, which combined with there being a White Onion, has no drawbacks. I honestly think White Pikmin are a top tier choice because of their having an Onion. After I got their Onion, they did all of the carrying for me, it made the whole process much quicker. (And I just fed them to everything that could eat, since their corpses would just repopulate my losses and then some.)
@@maplemaple2273 true but the white pikmin aren't as good as they are in pikmin 2
@@comp.lex4yeah but why use white pikmin when oatchi can get rid of poison hazards both faster and kill poison enemies more efficently so the only argument for whites are the FLOWERED carrying speed the leaf whites carrying speed ain’t nothing to write home about
I’m gonna be honest. I think Pikmin 4 handled combat pretty well. Purple pikmin are the best at throwing and Rock Pikmin are the best at charging. Red Pikmin are much more expendable though.
I do think Purples are still the best, but by a thin margin.
Also, Rock Pikmin got buffed, they now do 4X damage and charging has no penalty.
Plus purple Pikmin can kill the water wraith
you sure? im pretty sure that rock still has 2x, 4x is too busted
and rocks kinda fell off now because they dont latch onto enemies
@@yes3206
It is x4 (the standard damage per hit is 10 and rovks hit for 40)
In fact a group of 20 rocks charging can oneshot most enemies in the game, and a squad of 100 can one cycle every enemy without needing spray or oatchi, even Foolix and its 10000 something hp.
Also Purple Pikmin count as a 10 weight for enemies that require multiple pikmin to latch onto them to expose a weakness. IE the Red Armored Scorpidile that will almost always kill pikmin if you rush attack it on Oatchi versus throwing be the safer option, you have to throw 15 Pikmin onto it's tail... or 2 purple.
Endangering 2 purple pikmin lightly versus endangering fifteen pikmin of any other color far more.
Oatchi also has the ability, if you charge(Not Rush) him forward near them, to identify and bark at underground/hidden enemies making them pop up or reveal themselves without having to endanger Pikmin.
the red armored scorpidile.....? do you mean the crusted rumpup? Must be a regional difference.
@@just_call_me_leo there's 2 enemies that take 15 weight to expose weakness
crusted rumpup and the dude thats ontop of the sand castle in blue pikmin area [red armored scorpidile], serene shores pretty sure
i might just be stupid, and crusted rumpup isn't final boss, probably am, but idk
@@RainbowHelvelticaand the ancient sirehound
Despite Yellow Pikmin being low on this tier list they are still my favorite. They can be pretty useful when trying to reach places higher up than usual and can dig faster than any pikmin making collecting buried raw materials faster and easier. Oh well 💛
True but I like using whites to transport raw material or gold nuggets :))
Very true! I actually found throughout my play through that I was able to use Oatchi to ram into the walls and knock down the treasures more often, and yellows became less and less useful for me because of that. But there is still something really cute about them that I admire and love hehe
I actually don't think they`re the worse but whites are the worse then blues.
I guess everyone is making a pikmin tierlist ( I wanted to make one as well ) lol
Just you wait xD
Yo it’s pikguy again
Pikguy 😁😲🤗👋
Should I make one?
@@MarcusGames12 yes!
I'm also shocked they didn't use yellow's throwing height much in this game. Most of the time they wanted you to knock treasures down with Oatchi's headbutt.
Everyone either thinks that blues are a tier and yellows are c tier or that yellows are a tier and blues are c tier
I think white pikmin should attack slighty faster (to both compensate the ×0.5 damage and represent their hasty speed).
Also a concept I had for them is to spit poison (like shown in an official pikmin animation) which deals x1 damage and has a bit of a range (they will latch onto enemies if thrown directly or when too close)
EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT
Because of how late winged pikmin come in to pikmin 4, as well as the game constantly recommending yellow pikmin, I ended up using the yellows quite a lot on my pikmin 4 playthrough
I’m excited to see all the rankings! I hope Rock Pikmin get a comfy spot in A or S...
Well... 😥
@@amandamakin1542 yeah...
Should we tell them?
Raggins: The Yellow Pikmin’s faster dog speed isn’t groundbreaking.
Me: It literally is, tho.
The only thing I think winged, rock and yellow pikmin need to be more useful is some of the Pikmin 3 obstacles to come back, bamboo gates, crystals and electrical wires, with those back they'd feel much more useful
This will help me prepare for 4! I had to blind myself so I didn't see the gameplay but other than that great video!
Another person overrating blues again. No water then no blues or water hazards then when you would use blues. Reds are pretty good fighters for the early game and being fire resistant is nice, Yellows digging speed and throw height is useful to get objects and fight certain things, and being immune to electricity is pretty nice, Whites speed, and poison damage is really helpful for whites because that makes them great for carrying items back if an enemies eat one, and having poison immunity is a nice perk. Purples being strong is pretty self-explanatory. Winged flying over stuff like water and surfaces (yeah, their path finding is weird) is very strong basically going over a lot of enemies and carrying treasure completely safely. Rocks are great with oatchi`s charge and aren't really stupid anymore. Ice boys are great at assisting another pikmin in combat and plus they can literally just freeze water. Blues still suck and just because there is another hazard that blues are good with doesn't make them A tier, they should be F. just like the tier list from the guy who had the small key argument they should be more than their required use cases.
His name is Silohawk, and he's great. Absolutely agree with him
He has returned 8:31
Here's how I'd change each Pikmin for a more balanced game:
Red: Keep the same
Yellow: Make them deal increased damage to stunned enemies.
Blue: Make them more resistant to losing their flower, and have them slowly go from Leaf to Bud to Flower over time while standing in water for extended periods of time.
Purple: Slightly nerf the initial throw power.
White: Make them get up faster after being knocked down or shaken off.
Rock: Slightly reduce the amount of damage they do on throw from 4x to 2.5x. However, they do 4x damage to frozen enemies. Throwing them at enemy parts that would normally take no damage (such as the back of an Emperor Bulblax) will deal half of normal damage instead. Make them drown faster, just for flavor.
Winged: Make their pathing better.
Ice: Increase the amount of time it takes to freeze an enemy, and decrease the amount of time they stay frozen.
Glow: Keep the same
Oatchi: Kennel
Rock pikmin have an attack power of 40, which is 4 times the default of 10. Rock pikmin use this attack power of 40 for when they charge, attack on their own, and in some cases when they are thrown. Rock pikmin's impact damage when thrown varies depending on which enemy they hit, but in many cases it is 40. One unique interaction is that they one-shot a single berry from a Burgeoning Spiderwort and then fall off it, this makes them the fastest at farming ultra-spicy spray. Ironically, rock pikmin themselves get nerfed when under the effect of ultra-spicy spray, since it sets their attack power to the default of 10 and they can't really use the increased attack speed. The ultra-spicy will also set the impact damage when thrown to 10 if it is 40 (the same as their attack power), but the impact damage will be unaffected if the impact damage is not 40.
Purple pikmin's slam damage is 100, which is twice the slam damage of 50 that they had in Pikmin 2.
Glow pikmin have the default attack power of 10, not 5. The glowmob explosion does not deal any direct damage, it only stuns. The glowmob will also revert the maturity of the glow pikmin back into leaves.
The 5 attack power of the winged, white, and ice pikmin can be negated with ultra-spicy spray as it sets their attack power to the default of 10.
In Pikmin 3, winged pikmin were immune to all forms of crush damage except from the Quaggled Mireclops (which also killed rock pikmin) and the crystals of the Plasm Wraith. In Pikmin 4, they seem to be a bit "crush resistant", but this can vary a lot based on the attack. In some cases, they instantly get killed, like the other pikmin types from crush damage. Sometimes they get knocked down first or only get killed if they are already knocked down or affected by another status. They also seem to be immune to the crush damage of the Horned Cannon Beetle and Armored Cannon Larva and only get knocked down. There is also other weird jank with them, I would not be surprised if they used the rock pikmin's code as the base for the winged pikmin.
When it comes to blue pikmin, I find that if water wasn't there, any other pikmin would be better than them but the WATER is the problem.
you could say this about any hazard tho so not a very strong argument
@@DarkReaper-oj2nd fair but at least you deal SOME damage to a firey bulblax
@@DarkReaper-oj2nd If you time it right, you can break some electrical barriers (apart from the walls) with multiple different types of pikmin, fire barriers can also be broken with different types of pikmin. Water, only blue pikmin can go into and survive. Although, ice pikmin can freeze the water but in most cases the water requires 100 ice pikmin so it is useless.
The argument is actually pretty strong because at least other pikmin have perks unlike blues. Yellows at least have the fast digging speed while blues are just water so I would say blues are worse yellows
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@@sheepxs5413 I never use yellows for digging because Oatchi does it in 2 seconds lmao
Raggins technically blue is the worst cause of ice pikmin and oatchi and if an item isn't fully submerged in the water the winged pikmin can get it and Brittany and the other captains in pikmin 4 are -F tier
For the yellows, I'd argue that a) there's a decent amount of electric gates and high throw locations, especially early game, and more importantly b) they fig at *4x* the speed. If you have 4 of any pikmin and throw one yellow on, you literally double the dig speed. Their abilities are decent on paper, but whenever being used they're great.
Also I strongly believe that Rocks are the worst in this game. Not because they're bad, but because by the time you get their onion, you have a decent amount of purples (assuming you're 100%). Rocks are nice for their immunity to being crushed, but its not really relevant most of the time, because you just have a bunch of spare pikmin in your onion. Most importantly, rocks suffer the most from bombs being an item. The few times glass walls appear, you can just throw a single bomb and boom, its done.
I also think blues are still not that high, but thats because i dont think they have anything going for them besudes the fact the game features water. I dont have any other reason to pick them still.
Well he said in the video he's pretending as if you have all the types by the very beggining
@moss243 hm, I didn't catch that in the video, but despite the fact I don't think ranking the pikmin that way is a great idea, I fail to see how that changes anything I said. If you have all the pikmin early game, rocks are even more useless due to purples, and I referred to yellows early game as saying the first two areas use them a lot
@@rawsome1234 idk i feel like oatchi kinda nerfs them by being able to knock things off ledges
@@moss243 I agree, but oatchi nerfs pretty much every pikmin. When playing pikmin with dandori/multitasking, being able to get stuff off ledges is still decently valuable
I can agree with ices, purples and also oatchi, but i think that each type is useful depending on the situation.
Interesting method of going about ranking everything with a number. I like how you started last and worked your way up to the best like a top 10 list. Great work as always.
Thanks man! Loved your tier lost as well!
I actually thought white pikmin were significantly buffed compared to every other game, just because of how much poison there is in the Bramble Thicket. The .5 damage multiplier is cancelled out by the fact that any other type will run away screaming from most enemies in this area, whereas white pikmin will barely lose a petal.
I'd also put wings below yellows, since wings don't take very good shortcuts, can't cheese any puzzles like they did in 3, and are extremely limited in number until the game is basically over (unless you grind, you'll have 10 by the time you save Olimar.)
You only have 10 Winged Pikmin until Area 5, and their Onion is locked behind the last area. And besides from one cave in the last area, you can just use other Pikmin to do everything since there's nothing really for Winged Pikmin to do.
On the other hand, I found White Pikmin to be incredibly uaeful, especially since you can get their Onion before even going to the Giant's Hearth, meaning you can grow a large population of them to feed to every enemy and there's no drawbacks to that since you can just use those corpses to grow even more.
On top of being the faster carriers, benefiting more from being Flowered than the other types, and the Poison immunity, I honestly found myself always relying upon the strength of my White Pikmin.
I quite honestly think that Winged Pikmin were severely overrated (And White and Yellow Pikmin were underrated) in this video.
Imagine that yellow Pikmin could have been able to shock enemies. Making them move slower or once they hit an enemy and you call them back, the enemy continues to get shocked for a small period of time
I know how you compared the game's balance to Smash Ultimate in that there is "no single ultimate choice who beats everything...."
But I legit think Oatchi is the Brawl Meta Knight of the series. He plays an entirely different game to the rest of the cast.
yeah, oatchis charge is broken, to the point of me going to do another playthrough where i can only use oatchis charge when required (like the treasure in the hub area)
@@ritter3723 Maybe do a run where you don't upgrade Oatchi (other than the tutorial manditory upgrades).
But yeah, Oatchi's charge attack is absurd. Especially when fully upgraded.
Yellows abilities are all simply invalidated by other pikmin. It’s high throw is rendered useless when oatchi rushes against the wall and it comes down and when you can throw a winged pikmin so swiftly get it. Its electric ability is underutilised in the game, as you said, and is easily flagged out with oatchi. And the electricity doesn’t even kill anymore - which I agree with you, makes it barely a hazard. Yellows are really only used in the final boss because you HAVE to. The problem is that there is no time where you WANT to, over another pikmin or oatchi which just makes the task simpler.
wait yall used yellows for final boss? i just threw purples
@@DarkReaper-oj2nd to destroy the electric furballs - just made it easier. There was the option to turn you pikmin into red and yellows in sublevel 19
Idk why people say electricity can’t kill Pikmin because it can
@@nickmo.6049 i meant insta kill. it takes about 5 seconds minimum for a pikmim to die to electricity, meaning it will not die unlesss youre not even looking
I think that white pikmin are probably the worst since they're so weak, the carrying speed barely helps, and it's easy to kill poison enemies with rocks' or purples' impact damage anyway. Winged pikmin are also extremely useful against tall enemies like arachnorbs since you can rush them with spicy spray, so I'd give them an 80 or so. (They also ignore poison mold.)
\/\/ for putting brittney (idk if you even write it like that) in F tier 💪💪💪💪
Funnily enough, Oatchi is actually a soft buff to Blue Pikmin due to allowing the devs to incorporate water into more of the map (since he can allow the player to transport them across the water), giving the player more reason to want to use them without making them strictly necessary.
I am new to the pikmin community and I love it
Fun fact if a swoooping snitch bug grabs a purple in Pikmin 4 it will just fall go into pillories get purples and engage swooping snitchbugs don’t do anything and the snitch bugs will die
2:30 - 2:34 "but it's not groundbreaking" Yellow pikmin : *Digs more aggressively*
You could argue that Purples are better than in 2 because of the AOE attack they gained!
Man, sometime I wish only yellows could have bomb rocks
Through my regular playthrough, I found the following:
S - Purples and Ice
- Purples are great in Pikmin 4, but I still ended up being afraid to use them because of their scarcity, and because I didn't want to lose them. Yes, I could have just grew more in caves, but I didn't think to do that until after reaching the final area with the 1000 Pikmin treasure. I know they can be obtained via onions now too, but I didn't do that until after beating the game.
- Ice Pikmin are ridiculously good. Freezing enemies is busted, and despite their poor combat abilities, when combined with other types, Ice Pikmin are exceptionally good.
A - Reds, Blues, Whites
- Reds are the jack of all trades Pikmin but with a power boost. They're objectively better than most types simply for their combat capabilities alone. Always useful in almost every situation.
- Blues gained much needed usefulness this time around, with fully underwater sections where Winged can't even be useful. Sprinklers and Geysers were a great addition to making blues much more valuable.
- Whites' speed is very useful, and considering the new poison enemies in 4, where even squashing a dwarf moldy bulborb isn't easy for any other types, Whites get a good amount of usage that other types simply cannot stand up to, thanks to poison hazards and enemies. Only thing that brings them down is their removed ability to see buried treasures, which should have been retained. Would have made them a requirement to complete certain caves and areas of the game, which would have been nice.
B - Winged, Glow, Yellow
- Winged Pikmin are still decent, but are nowhere near as busted as they used to be. Unfortunately, their carrying ability isn't as good, as they tend to take the standard paths unless there is a better one. In most situations, they're no more useful than other Pikmin, and lack a resistance, meaning they're only really good for carrying things, which puts them in competition with Whites, who I believe are much faster.
- Glow Pikmin are generally restricted to night mode, but they can do everything. Very useful, and are only brought down by their restrictions.
- Yellow Pikmin are still decent, but underwhelming thanks to Electricity not being fully lethal anymore. Their digging ability really should have been moved to Whites, and their higher throwingarc isn't nearly as useful because of Oatchi's ramming ability. Knocking things off ledges with Oatchi sadly invalidates Yellows alot.
C - Rock
- Rock Pikmin have definitely gotten the shaft in Pikmin 4. Yes, they have crush resistance, but that was even nerfed to be useless on hard floors now. Not to mention, their impact damage seems to be much lower than it was in 3, which may be due to higher health pools on enemies, I'm unsure. Either way, Rocks definitely don't hold up like in 3.
New blue pikmin ability: Bite. It's their own way of fighting similar to how rock pikmin don't latch on. I think this would up their damage just a bit, but not to 1.5x.
New yellow pikmin ability: dart. When you throw yellow pikmin, they land feet first, like a dart. It adds a bit of landing damage similar to purples, and also a slight homing effect.
I was so so surprised when I saw the onions for the whites and purples. I was like « but that’s too op???? »
The problem imo with Yellows and Whites is that you get yellows so early that they become obsolete in late game because they have to introduce 6 more types after yellow and theyre abilities are purely field and non combative abilities
-Whites also have a similar problem except the opposite. They're introduced so late into the game and aren't even given an onion in the main story that they're not really ever given a chance to do more with because most people will probably have 20 Whites by the time white pikmin are actually needed if they don't get their onion first which requires you to beat 2 whole side modes to unlock plus even if they are the fastest they're outclassed by wings because wings take shortcuts whike Whites must always stick to the path
-erm actually reds also have the ability to break dirt walls faster 🤓🤓
- I still hate the notion that "blue pikmin are good because this area" in truth that's just bad game design. Since you have to make a whole area and locked sections dedicated to one pikmin type because they're ability is so useless everywhere else. It's bad game design because no other pikmin can enter and unlike with every other hazard you just have to destroy it and boom your other pikmin are now useful again but with water you can ONLY use blues and every other pikmin becomes irrelevant until that section is completed. That's bad game design through and through because it doesn't make me allocate my resources. It makes me take 100 blues out to do this locked section then return them when I'm done using them. If there was a lava only stage where I could only bring reds people would call would call it bad design
-I think that having a pikmin limit was a bad choice but it's kinda fixed by the fact that oatchi can have every pikmin ability. It just goes to show that field skill pikmin like yellows, Whites and wings become less useful because they're abilities are too niche to recommend when there's such a strict limit when you could take more versatile pikmin like reds, ice and purple who not only have good field skills but good combat skills. You can't even have every pikmin type for the final boss. The game for some reason removes candy pop buds if you try to take every kind and so at most you can only bring 7 out of 9 types.
Finally someone else is talking about why blues aren't really all that and plus in serene shores the water drops lol
cool video!
used winged pikmin like 3 times in the storymode T^T
theres something you needed to mention: the tatical drone aka the survey drone + coop near the same tier of oatchi in opness you could use it to get rid of all enemies in a area before moving lol
Pikmin 4 was my first game. I had no stat. I was just happy I got a new type. I didn’t care the damage on red, purple, and rocks. I was just using the pikmin types that they want me to use. And I kinda sucked at it. The game took me months to beat. But when I was done. I forgot a cave
being able to very easily kill most enemies before they can even do anything with purple Pikmin is very satisfying
The caves in Pikmin 2 were so chaotic that having White Pikmin to grab a treasure and make a mad dash for the ship rather than fight them all was an incredibly useful strategy in certain cases. In 4, they don't hate the player, and therefore almost everyone kills every enemy pretty easily. Sad to see (aside from the game being more fun)
4:40 and also if what crushes them is with some element
I nearly completely agree with this, however; I believe rocks should be placed higher up because 90 of them (with 10 purples of course) and Oatchi's Ultra Mega Rush a spicy spay, they can nearly insta kill the first sovereign bulblax.
Did anyone happen to realize that each Pikmin game adds new Pikmin with different colored flowers? Pikmin 1 has white 2 has Pink 3 has purple and 4 has yellow.
Thank GOODNESS somebody FINALLY agrees with me about blue pikmin.
Agree
Tbh I find it goofy that glowing pikmin fly like *flying pikmin*
If they weren’t only use in night-time/caves they would probably be a replacement
Now make a Pikmin taste tier list
0:19 “you need every Pikmin type to beat the game” this is going to be funny in my upcoming project…
i love the yellow pikmin and rock pikmin and ice pikmin because I sometimes use them
I like rock pikmin in this game as other pikmin types when I attempt to throw more than necessary to carry as object they often run in front of or behind the object before giving up. But because of the rocks different hitbox I never had that issue with them
I still prefer how electricity was handled in 4 over insta killing in 2 and non hazard in 3, just felt annoying how some hazards back in 2 you can save most but with electricity not so much. That said unfortunate on yellows being weaker here due to the others and Oatchi does there stuff better which is funny even the 4 koma comic admits this.
Literally this. The insta kill is annoying and you can't change my mind
One cool thing about yellows is that you can use them to hit high up switches and treasures that would normally require oatchi.
Is it faster?
Dunno, but it is cool
Yes it is faster! Compare throwing 20 yellow pikmin at a treasure to Oatchi having to charge up a rush, hit a wall, then wait to rush again and have to do that about 2-3 times.
Oatchi's abilities just completely unbalance the game in every single way, and worse if you have a squad of Purple and Ice Pikmin
As much as I obsess over rock charging I must admit that’s all they’re good for
Tbh I think you got it exactly right. Great game
5:21 they’re the first type we unlock in every pikmin game - well id you said first type we get it would be false because of pikmin 3
I've gotta consider my tier list as well, there's so much subjective aspects to it.
9.The Worst Pikmin Type is Probably Yellow Pikmin, Considering The fact that electric immunity unlocks sooner than Poison Immunity, and also due to the fact that oatchi can Dig Faster than them at max dig level, Plus electric hazards aren’t used much, and Consider Oatchi 1 hits gates/walls with Ultra spicy spray. 8. Wings: Although they can fly, I find that their Path finding is really bad, i find myself using whites more often than wings, or maybe thats just me. 7. Whites: because whites lack combat power and the ability to see underground treasures, I feel putting them here is as high as they will go. 6. Reds: Red pikmin have an ability that CANNOT be replicated, so i feel putting them here is right. 5. Blues I feel putting blues here is acceptable, considering that they dont have an ability that cannot be replicated, but oatchi cannot attack underwater when being controlled, so I feel putting them here is good. 4: rocks: if you have a lot of them, you can swarm them on enemies to deal tons of instant damage. In my opinion, rocks got buffed in this game because their AI is Greatly Increased, (maybe even the best in the game) because they jump up at enemies, + their 85% crush resistance is good. 3. Glow Pikmin: Makes night mode easy, Makes certain caves easy, basically one of the best pikmins in the game. Ice pikmin: Ice pikmin have so many abilities to the point where its right to put them here. 1. Purples: THE KING IS BACK! Must have in party at all times
I'll be honest.. Reds were probably, other than winged, my least used type for pikmin 4, mainly because the types I used were usually the recommended types, and reds are not recommended in any of the overworld areas after the first one and the giants hearth. And even then after I had burnt all the hay they were quickly redundant again
I think winged are better than rocks and should be swapped. Maybe it’s just me because I don’t see rocks as useful because right after the first main ending I got the purple onion and did that whole mission immediately and I already had way over 100 purple pikmin, so I had no reason to really use them other than Crystal rocks, which as you said, don’t appear that often
Blue pikmin are my fav Pikmin because they can go near anywhere and im sick of their mistreatment by nintendo until now. Nintendo showt out for finally making my fav type useful and more prominent
"The faster digging speed is not groundbreaking."
But it literally is.
im definitely bias as whites have been my favourite type since i was a kid but i use them a lot. their movement speed is actually super useful in the overworld as they can probably get twice as many tasks done as other pikmin. theyre perfect for carrying corpses and treasure to base or building bridges and walls. if i need to get a lot done in one day (or when ive gone back to 100% old areas) i make sure to bring white pikmin to get everything done faster!! id argue they should be above wings as i believe they both have the goal of transport - but whites just do it better imo. besides water, you usually destroy all hazards you come by when youre exploring so usually your pikmin wont need to cross hazards to bring stuff back to your base. whites are just more efficient than wings for me!
Me too bro, I really wish they were better. Even though I didn’t think they’re that good, I tried to use them as much as possible!
Purple pikmin: The return of the king(s)
Edit: besides oatchi
I also just wanted to add:
Rock pikmin: 🎶I used to rule the world🎶
Purple pikmin and oatchi is just the second coming of bowser and carry(super paper Mario for those that don’t know)
I think yellow’s should be ranked higher than winged Pikmin. Winged Pikmin have a 0.5x damage multiplier while yellows have normal. Yellows also have a 4x dig speed and can be thrown higher which invalidates winged Pikmin with flying enemies, as you can just throw yellow Pikmin at them. Throw enough and they’ll be knocked down allowing you to charge your other Pikmin at them.
i would say glow pikmin are the best, but they arent available at day. only in caves or at night. They have nearly every immunity of the pikmin, fire immunity, water immunity, electricity immunity, poison immunity you get the gist.
edit: i typed this before i saw the glow pikmin rank so yeah its the exact same thing as what Raggins said.
I really like your content
In the last cave because Beady Long Legs (I think that is what it is called) because it starts of in water i just froze the water with Ice pikmin and it was frozen permanently as when you freeze the water until it's unfrozen they are just stuck there so i simply destroyed that stupid spider which is such a pain in night expeditions
Bulbmin would be s and puffmin would also be s because they do their job of being annoying perfectly
What happens if blue increased speed and damage if they’re in water and once they leave the water they need a few seconds to dry off making that they will stay buffed till they’re dry
This tier list is good but, I personally think that yellow pikmin should be higher
I love White Pikmin, but I unfortunately don't think nintendo did them much justice since pikmin 3. At least they brought back poison though.
If I were to nitpick, I would've swapped the impact damage between rocks and purples. Rocks deserve the impact damage because they can't latch on to deal more damage afterwards, and purples would still be the busted combat gods they still are.
If I can make an argument, blues haven't changed at all in usefulness. While they have a new water hazard akin to fire geysers, they still don't have anything outside of their requirements; still the small key but much fancier, like dayum the water graphics are tight.
I use white pikmin as a sacrifice when I don’t feel like fighting
Once you’ve got the onion it’s worth it
I have a singular problem with ice Pikmin, and it is involved in the dandori challenges you specifically didn't mention. You don't get points in challenges if you freeze and destroy enemies., and it can stop you from getting medals.
I actually think rock pikmin are lowkey better than purples in Pikmin 4, because while purples can do more raw damage, with rocks you can hit, run away, and wait for Oatchi's charge to come back and easily cheese most enemies in the game without even losing too much time for it.
Honestly when winged Pokémon are first unlocked they are trash but post game they are honestly reeeaally good
I AM NOT C TIER
slight correction: the glowies have average attack strength. it wouldn't really make sense for them to have 0.5, considering their entire kit is built around the fast-paced night expeditions.
also a funny glitch i found with wing pikmin si were when i was geting a tresure i threw some on and then soem mroe and more and they rocketed to the stratessfear
They got messages from the stars, they must be from another galaxy 😂
Ice Pikmin are basically Bitter Sprays with extra steps.... 20 Ice Pikmin are enough to do the job
Oddly, Rock Pikmin deal more damage than Purples when charging with Oatchi
Honestly, I don't even think yellows need Pikmin 2 electricity to be better, and I'll be honest, insta kills are never fun for me. It's true that it's pretty easy to save electrocuted pikmin, but if there were just more electric hazards and enemies in the game (especially early on) they would have much better utility for convenience. Maybe electricity should kill slightly faster or something, but I like having the ability to save Pikmin rather than losing your whole squad in a split second like some Pikmin 2 bs.
Ice pikmin ARE good, but... you really don't need them the second you get purple or rock pikmin. the ice damage just is overshadowed when you can one shot almost anything. Winged pikmin are also way too low. Even though they occasionally have buggy pathfinding, is that really something new for a pikmin game? They're the best at transporting anything. They're nearly immune to almost EVERY hazard. They don't deserve to be stuck in C tier. Glow pikmin should also be a bit lower, since, as said, you can't use them outside of caves or during night. They're also really not ever necessary for caves, especially with purple/rock pikmin, so overall they're never used outside of night.
It makes sense Ochi was in god teir because dog spelled backwards is god
oatchi proving dog spelt backwards is god *for a reason.*
I think that white pikmin should have been even faster, since I didn’t really feel the speed increase.
This man thinks blue pikmin are better than red pikmin. Etc raggins!
We need a every enemy and boss tier list
0:39 bro defined objective 💀