Choy Li Fut Beats Muay Thai Twice - Choy Li Fut Blake Griffin
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- We have a two very cool Choy Li Fut (蔡李佛 sometimes called Choy Lay Fut or Choy Lee Fut or Cai Li Fo) matches against Muay Thai under Muay Thai rules. Choy Lee Fut is a fairly historical Chinese martial arts that dates back to the Qing Dynasty. In this video, we have Australian Choy Li Fut fighter Blake "The Blade" Griffin testing his training in Chinese Martial Arts. So let's watch Blake use his Choy Lee Fut against two very different Muay Thai fighters. The question I want all of you to answer in the comments is, how much Kungfu do you see in Blake's striking? Is he basically just doing Muay Thai?
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0:00 Match 1
7:27 Match 2
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Big shoutout to Blake Griffin (not the basketball player). Please give him a shout here: ruclips.net/channel/UCCQJcVczQ1BnF3YOD3ArUUg
Previous time we saw CLF on this channel: ruclips.net/video/_RXFjhkJWbQ/видео.html
Hello, Blake here thank for your this video i have kind of stopped using the channel and am in the process of moving everything to my schools channel. Very much still into choy lee fut I am a full time coach now and returning to the ring this coming December. If you're still interested in interviewing me I'd be more than happy to speak with you.
Regards
Blake
@@CLFBSWestAus amazing man! Thank you so much for coming and commenting. Could you add me on IG? We'll contact there. @fightcommentary
@@FightCommentary messaged you through both my ig :)
I also practice Choy Li Fut, but the reason why you can't tell the difference is because he's wearing gloves so he's limited to his closed fist techniques and using kicks. Kung Fu looks different in combat than it looks in forms and it is because it's not like in the movies. We spar and fight many times and even sometimes a lot of us go into Sanda competition because we are able too.
@@dylanbalderas7775 that's an excuse mostly used by useless kung fu fighters.
Being much shorter than most people is why I found grappling so much easier to pick up than striking. Already having my centre of mass significantly lower than anyone else makes throws so much easier to pull off.
but hard to triangle choke people
i love being a shorter striker. The power difference is just big when you have shorter limbs.
Grappling is easier because it didn't need to develop good striking muscles
To those who don't see the difference between CLF and kickboxing: CLF has everything kickboxing has plus much more. Using big gloves limits the usage of CLF big time. However, what you see in the video is CLF: jabs (chap choi), uppercuts (pau choi), wide hooks/overheads (sau choi), front kicks (deng gyok), side kicks (chang gyok), spinning backfists (dat choi), knees (jong). So basically everything Blake has leant is CLF. Does it resemble kickboxing? Yes, it does. Is it executed the same way? No. CLF has its distinct power generation method - heavily based on hip/shoulder rotation with the emphasis on 'loose' relaxed centrifugal force. The hands and fists are like a rock on a string. I did CLF for almost two decades, and I can easily recognise the art in Blake's performance.
you're still around bruh? nice!
I practice CLF and he definitely used his techniques...sow chuis, jong chuis, tsop chuis, bin chuis and his kicks....he is angling too with his footwork....there was good kung fu in both of the fights!!!
Pretty cool to hear your feedback. Thanks, Mark!
@Kenneth J Every punch you saw in this fight from Blake is included in Choy Lay Fut's forms and routines.
@Kenneth J Uhhhh. Yeah, dude. He was boxing. Cuz like... He was applying his CLF training in Thai-style boxing matches. So of course he was boxing.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Greetings!!!.
@Kenneth J I'm assuming that you were expecting Chinese theater?
I studied Buk Sing CLF intensively for a few years; it's one of my first arts. My favorite thing about the Buk Sing branch in particular (there are three branches of CLF with some substantial differences) is the expression of the jab, what they call a "charp chui" or "stabbing strike" (插錘 in Chinese). Bareknuckle, you strike with the first row of knuckles as opposed to a flat fist - this small area is conditioned through hitting bean bags and bags with steel shot. Another method is foreknuckle pushups.
Blake is a southpaw fighter because all BSCLF I've seen is taught with the power hand forward, which statistically speaking, means it's right side forward. Even left-handed people are still taught to fight right side forward in BSCLF - all the forms are taught this way as well (although I have reverse engineered them for fun).
The charp chui is, IMO, most analogous to something like a power jab in terms of boxing or kickboxing. The difference when learning in a BSCLF school would be the emphasis on power and putting your body weight behind the strike; shifting or using the footwork to explode into the point of impact. Another unique BSCLF technique is using this kind of charp chui in repetition. In practice, this looks like continuous power strikes with the lead (right) hand, while the left hand is focused on blocking or parrying any incoming counters.
Besides the strikes, my favorite thing about BSCLF has been their entries - they teach very aggressive, blizting entries, a bit like the Karate blitz you more commonly see with someone like a Stephen Thompson. The big difference, I think, is that the Karate approach is a bit more "in-and-out," a bit more blitz and and exit into an extreme outside fighting range, while the BSCLF approach prefers to blitz, soft reset into midrange, then blitz again, reset, blitz again, etc. Because all CLF practices these whipping, spinning strikes, the "reset into midrange" becomes a platform for delivering (or spamming, LOL) spinning backfists which then chain into more combinations. Karate fighters tend to be very patient and bides their time; BSCLF fighters tend to be very aggressive, in-your-face and more comfortable fighting on the inside or trading combos from midrange like kickboxers.
In my experience, at least the way I learned BSCLF made it flow super smoothly into Western boxing. They go together like oil & vinegar. CLF in general also goes really well with Muay Thai.
There are more nuances to the art, but some key points that the Buk Sing branch of CLF emphasizes are (1) very technical power jabs/lead-hand straights, (2) blitz entries that take advantage of their lead strikes, usually involving explosively pushing off the back foot to linearly dash forward from a bladed stance, (3) chaining and throwing spinning backfists, and (4) using varieties of probing and power side kicks that either follow from the charp chui, or set up the charp chui or circular/spinning strikes. To this effect, BSCLF fighters tend to be really good at dashing in and out to set up explosive strikes, but tend to lack technical sophistication when it comes to lateral or diagonal movement patterns (something Western boxing is much more better at).
I've since embarked in a MMA journey, and adopted other arts more heavily, including boxing and Muay Thai and another Chinese art called I Liq Chuan, along with my grappling. However, BSCLF will always have a special place in my heart, and the way I "jab" has always been an expression of the charp chui. As a standalone art, it offers a lot of very interesting tools with a different flavor compared to anything else in the MMA scene today.
Wow! Thanks for the in-depth comment!
Does I-Liq Chuan have any striking based applications or is it mostly a grappling skill?
I thought your comment about boxing was right on target. Look at Mike Tyson's biomechanics in the peak a boo style. It's that slipping and loading the rear leg while moving to the side that I saw that would work perfectly with CLF. My instructor always told me to watch Marvin Hagler if I wanted to learn how to fight. He was awesome with how he could use stance change to attack in response to lateral shifts. I also thought that the Philly shell had great potential with kwa choy and bin choy attacks, your hips are rotated back and the front hand is low across the body. Perfect, you just throw from there. Blake was trying to pull off a jab, kwa choy, chop choy combo. The only problem is that he had to reset, drop his front hand to throw the rest. It was not fast enough to catch his opponent, and he just retreated back.
Your comment is like water in the desert. I have been wondering how well CLF would flow with boxing and MT,but could not find a straight answer,also the majority are Hung Sing,while Buk Sing is the most famous for its practical approach.
I believe the swing punches are heavily underrated,and i would like to ask you about them more in depth.
Do you believe CLF and Hung Gar are similar? Can they flow seamlessy?
What are the all the types of punches in CLF?
Swing punches feels like the equivalent of MT shin kicks,but with the forearms.
@@junichiroyamashita
Thanks for your kind words! I'll try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge.
1. Swing punches/strikes (sau chui) are interesting. Majority of any CLF school will teach the forearm. My BSCLFL Sifu preferred hitting with the knuckles. "Raking" by tucking the thumb over the index finger (so terrible for actually punching), then slapping someone in the face. preferably the temple. Much better bareknuckle, bad with MMA gloves, terrible with boxing gloves.
Also, I don't like hitting with the forearm. It's very telegraphed and slow. I think in general, boxing has the most refined and devastating hooking or circular punches. Also, against a skilled opponent, they will be guarding correctly. The swing punch is likely to hit the guard, while the boxing hook can slip through, especially with MMA gloves.
2. I'm not a Hung Kuen practitioner at all, but I've looked into it. I think Hung Sing CLF is probably the most similar. Chan Family and BSCLF are very different because they're built around whipping power and relaxation. Hung Ga is comparatively pretty stiff. Honestly, I haven't seen anyone using Hung Ga creatively or effectively in my life. Not saying they don't exist, just that I haven't seen it.
BSCLF is effective and powerful because it really mimics how the best combat sports seem to move. So, relaxed, agile footwork, lots of lead hand strikes (jabbing), and big back/power hand strikes. Spinning backfists are always devastating if they land. Roundhouse kicks and side kicks similar to full contact Karate styles.
3. BSCLF basically focuses on a few punches. Uppercuts, swing punches (in my school, with the knuckles, so it's more like a hook), and linear strikes, basically jabs and crosses. Very good spinning backfists. No deep understanding of knees or elbows.
It's a cool art. I'm glad I learned it. It gave me some really nice tools that I still use today. Although at this point, most of my striking base is built on Muay Thai, Kickboxing (Japanese style), and Boxing because those are literally the three BEST striking arts in the world.
I love Chinese arts but they're better for specific things, rather than the whole package.
"Choy Li Fut is the most effective system that I've seen for fighting more than one person. It is one of the most difficult styles to attack and defend against. Choy Li Fut is the only style (of Kung Fu) that traveled to Thailand to fight the Thai boxers and hadn't lost."
Bruce Lee.
CLF has been evolving over the years to make it's art more practical. Most of the practitioners opted Sanda and Muay Thai to their system. Theirs a lot of videos on RUclips showing CLF beating other CMA, oftentimes Wing Chun.
Can't forget that CLF was the only martial art to beat Thai boxers, from China anyways.
@@Aodhan_Raith,
No. Only Sanda. It was incorporated in the Chinese army then.
@@lionsden4563 The quote of Choy lee fut bing the only kung fu style that didnt lose to Muay Thai is credited to Bruce Lee by one of his Students, The Book is Bruce Lee Between Wing Chun and Jeet Kune Do by Jesse Glover on Page 67
@Jerrol Hale,
Wrong. Sanda was the only style that can match against Muay Thai. CFL took Sanda and incorporated it into their system.
@@juansebastianarredondo5366,
It was from his book. But history stated that it was Sanda that can actually match against Muay Thai. CFL took this and incorporated in their system.
After becoming a father I began getting hit down there accidentally a few times a day.. kids are way worse about it than fighters
They punch upward.
the Choy li fut is really bottlenecked by the boxing gloves imo
Agreed. It would be interesting to see Blake fight with MMA gloves.
All it means is we can't do things like open palms or the animal fist stuff. We still have all of our circular arm work and angles. CLF has all of the basic straight punches and long uppercuts even in gloves.
@@tjl4688 from what i have learned of CLF is that there is a good amount of wrist grabs and grappling as well
Nah actually when I learned CLF it had tons of kicks, punches and counter attacks, all usable with the boxing gloves. So I saw this guy attempt like 1 CLF technique and it was super poor executed to the level I would say hes still in the first beginner belt of CLF there.
I would have expected to maybe see more recognizable kung fu techniques, but I feel like everyone expects someone who does kung fu to look like a Jet Li movie in a fight. They're using the same basics and fundamentals as every other martial art. It is too bad he didn't get in a few more kung fu moves, though.
The kung fu dude was better at Muay Thai than the first Muay Thai guy.
you wont see recognizable kung fu if, you are thinking in terms of forms and how they spar. see my post above
I see Choy Li Fut everywhere. The backnuckle into wide swinging punches are Choy Li Fut trademarks.
Dude, this is REAL LIFE and you should DESPERATELY abandon that type of thinking. It's people like you who never trained in kung fu thinks all kung fu should look like it does in the movies. WAKE UP.. LMAO
@@hungsingkwoonusa650 Did you mean to comment to someone else? You seem to be agreeing with me.
I literally said "everyone expects. . .kung fu to look like a jet li movie in a fight," and said that was wrong.
@@tjl4688 I'm not familiar with Choy Li Fut, so you could be right.
lol at the "no kung fu here" comments, do you fools really think its like the movies. alot of kung fu schools sends thier students to sanda competition too. at least where im from
@@gbody2617 go to asia go to any sanda sch says u wanna challenge them lol actually its okay go to any south american sanda sch.
You would change your mind if you saw 1970s Sanda.
Lmao they high af
Aussie here and we have a strong rivalry with NZ but it's a friendly rivalry almost sibling rivalry 😂 Anzac's for a reason 💪
ok, a lot of commenters have analysed the elements in Blake's moves that come from CLF/TMA,
I'll just mention one broader element : the stance.
Traditional chinese martial arts (and related ones like Karate) place a lot of emphasis on stability, hence all the "horse stance", "bow stance", "pole standing" and stuff,
so when a TMA practitioner goes into a fight, he/she'll tend to "dance" less and take wider, stabler steps, and angle the stance so as to better take impact from the opponent or extend an attack towards the opponent.
In the video, this seems more visible in the 2nd match.
As has been mentioned many times, wearing gloves and the rules of the sport limit what a fighter can do with his/her hands.
Hence in such a situation, the stance and foot work become even more important expressions of a TMA practitioner's fighting style.
An even more obvious example can be seen in this video of a Tai Chi practitioner going into an MMA match: ruclips.net/video/x_atkkJIqpA/видео.html
Man, the spinning backfists, uppercuts, hooks and that weird combo he throws, pushing kicks, that's all very choyleefutish. CLF, at least the branch i've learn, has very interesting footwork.
Nice work Blake.. So often I see people in competition fights like this who have trained in CLF or many other styles but don't use any of it. This was great to see some nice gwa chui's ;) . (from an old CLF brother). :)
These guys look like 80s b movie characters
I see 80% CLF used in a kickboxing manner. CLF was famous back in, I belief the 60/70s for fighting Muay Thai fighters and often winning, when other kung fu styles were getting obliterated.
The front kick is a kung fu front kick, not a push kick. It can be used with the top, ball or heel as a striking surface. The spinning strikes, pure kung fu. Kung fu is the grandfather of all other styles. Perhaps we should say the Muay Thai looks like kung fu.😉
Choy li Fut is made of many techniques from many Chinese systems. Like all kung fu styles, it's a mixed martial art. If I see a certain chopping strike, I wouldn't say he is using baji or pek kwar because of one technique that looks similar to those styles. I would say he is doing CLF, with a strike common in many styles.
I have said it before, kung fu has always learned, adapted, borrowed, and changed over the centuries to better itself. So, if it were to add or adapt techniques from western boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai, BJJ, it is still Choy li Fut, because that is the styles nature.
I will ask for Blake’s opinion too. We’re in touch, btw!!
At this point if I ever google style matches I'ma just assume it's fight commentary breakdowns. Sick!
the problem with the traditional martial arts nowadays, they gave big credits to their arts but in fact they are very much influenced by mma, muay thai, bjj one way or another. like this fight, if you take out the title of this video, you may think they are both muay thai
Yeah. I will ask the CLF fighter for his thoughts on this too.
Lol so misinformed
Martial arts evolve with the times, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Only the traditionalist purists would have a problem with it. Grappling arts influenced every striking art out there by forcing fighters to be cognizant of takedowns, so are boxing and Muay Thai problematic all of a sudden? Fighting is fighting, which is why fighters tend to look very similar. You’d have to be eagle-eyed to see the subtle differences in movement that indicate different fighting backgrounds. Some traditional fighters are better than others at using their more unique techniques, but at the end of the day you can only punch, kicks, sweep, and grapple in so many different ways.
if you watch ufc 1, you can see that all the fighters there are pure of their style. lots of fighters there no one knew what armbar is until they saw gracie do it. with all these videos, tv, internet--fighters nowadays pretty much know what's happening to the mma world and so they may not claim that they were being influenced by these modern fighting but it's obviously at the back of their mind they know that they picked something up from these :D when i was in a traditional karate school, my teacher always told us to kick low becos he said high kick is not effective and could easily block and trap, until he saw buakaw kicked peoples heads :D
@@randyvaliente people think that armbar and ankle lock is fake and was only done in WWE or other pro wrestling organizations.
Choy Li Fut is the most esteemed Kung Fu here in the Philippines. (aside from Sanda) Seems well-deserved.
Yes I agree!
@@juanpaulopangilinan8189 Ano pang martial arts mo pre? Taga-saan ka? 🙂
Choy Li Fut. Manila pero my Sifu is from Cebu
May school sa pilipinas??
@@felipealbao3262 Yes Sir.
Nice to see more Choy Li Fut 👀
about fucking time!!!!
@@handsomeguy3857 Everywhere. The lead backnuckle, long overhands, spinning backfists, push kick, they are all legitimately part Choy Li Fut. Yes, they are found in Muay Thai and other striking arts, but they are also the fundamentals of our forms and routines.
Blake is using a lot of Choy Lee Fut, punches and kicks. Particularly dart choy, back fist
Interesting! The event is being sponsored by Zen Do Kai, which is a Australian descendent of Goju-ryu Karate. I trained it for a few years, my dojo was very influenced by muay thai and kickboxing because most of the high ranks had also competed in MT and kickboxing events. Good karate style!
Thanks for the information!
BASIC CLF STRIKES: Chop CHoy (Stab Punch) equal to Jab. Over hand strikes are called Sow Choy. Pow Choy and Fahn Jong are short and long upper cuts and more....lot of similarities to other styles and boxing. while our hands are covered, you take away a lot of what we do. but ALL CLF fighters should know how to fight both gloved or ungloved....ring or the street. choy family style, lee family style, and buddisht family style kung fu is what makes up CLF. We are one of the ORIGINAL MIXED MARTIAL ARTS and we have been fighting in and out of the ring since it was established.
I’m in touch with Blake already. So the interview will happen. Thanks for your help and comment any time!
@@FightCommentary all good, man
Choy li fut has a lot hooking and sweeping punches. The way Blake drops his lead hand hooking and holding kicks at the ankle is classic "kung fu".
When any fighting style starts to approximate realistic fighting the differences become more subtle to nonexistent from other realistic fighting styles.
Styles are opinion, solidified and codified over many generations, often to a point bordering on religious dogma. I think you can learn a lot from ancient martial arts if you see them for what they are. They are fallible opinions whose original meaning may be wholly or partially lost to history.
It's honestly really hard to tell which one does Kung Fu in the first fight because they both seem to be doing Muay Thai
I agree
Well they're both predominantly striking arts and both based on human biomechanics hence are gonna look similar …..
The blue one. The red one wears a muay thai head band idk what it is called
@@Uruz7Laevatein Kung Fu should disappear then
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth Why? Neither MT or forms KF hold any monopoly on striking moves. There's really only two types of MA in the world which is boxing or wrestling , all styles are a variation of the two.
Second fight had a lot more Kung Fu, way more than 5-10%! Either way, he has a solid base and some nice clinch work. Great job representing CLF Blake.
You should check out Marco Tentori, also studies Choy Li Fut (蔡李佛) at the same school that Blake used to. He has entered many Muay Thai tournaments and won.
Dude, thank you so much!!
So basically, Sanda vs Muay Thai lol. But definitely awesome!
Yep, everything that *works* generally starts looking fairly similar in live competition over time. I think that's why people say "wheres the kung fu!?", its because the kung fu that really works, boils down to a lot of the same principles and techniques you see in modern combat sports. While as a muay thai amateur fighter, I despise fake kung fu bs, there are definitely practitioners out there that understand what combat is really like, and train accordingly.
@@user-vy2iz8cw8c Ah, very nice, I see Chan Heung's photo there.
I know CLF was a strong core for Sanda. But calling CLF Sanda is like calling BJJ just Judo 😁
@@arthemas8176 BJJ: Basically Just Judo
@@enbo98 the fundamentals in all kung fu styles are the very similar to all other combat sports like muay thai and boxing (quan fa, boxing law). There are abstract practices and training methods which dont make sense to people who dont understand them but they exist for a specific reason, to break the training plateau. You can only train fundamentals of punching and kicking to a point where you will inevitably plateau and just remain intermediate in skill for long periods of time, this is where things like taichi push hands might take over so you develop more refined mechanics and skills to enhance the fundamentals and break past the plateau towards mastery
The problem is when kung fu schools ONLY teach these abstract methods like push hands internal training without working the fundamental fighting skills that form your foundation and then lose fights as a result, the other problem is when people who dont even train kung fu expect a kung fu fighter to only use these abstract skills for combat and say 'its just kickboxing' when they inevitably see the basic skills of punching and kicking being used as the core technique for kung fu fighting
I think both combined makes the dual practitioner really effective. A perfect example would be the head instructor Dave Moy located in NYC: Kings Combat. He’s had a good fight career when he was competing and now as a teacher has a lineage of fighters that are title holders in various promotions.
I’ll check him out! Thanks!
Blake uses a lot of spinning punch
Choy Li Fut trademark.
I saw kung fu in his back fists, front kicks, how he throws his Haymakers, and arguably his footwork
as someone who has practiced about CLF for about 11 years, I definitely see plenty of it being used.
CLF people know what we're looking at .
That's new. Never heard of CLF before
At 1:31 Blue guy barely moves to avoid that punch, which means he could have an awesome sense of timing
at 7:00 idk what to tell you because i train in this same style and we learn all those techniques. He's trowing a lot of knees, that we dont do at all, but mostly because we spar on sanda rules
I'm not super well versed on the fighting scene here in Australia or in New Zealand but we definitely have a friendly rivalry with NZ in a lot of other sports (especially rugby). I think both countries have a much more pointed & less friendly rivalry with the UK in general though, one thing we can always agree on haha.
I saw pretty much all Muay Thai. Blue corner had way better gap control (he had reach advantage of course) and his clench work was far better than the red corner. The red corner seem to know what to do in the clench.
This first fight is Dhalsim versus Sagat
Never heard of this style. Thanks for showing it!
as an Aussie i can say the answer to your question is: both. we have both a rivalry with each other and at the same time are really close. like having a rivalry with your brother, always love to tease them, but always love them.
About the only thing Blake does that could possibly be considered outside of CLF techniques is the use of the Muay Thai clinch. I don't have enough experience to say that does not exist in CLF as well. In appearance, I would expect more hooks and backfists, but you use what presents itself to get the job done.
Where were those clf guys during 90' k-1, i mean if this art is so competitive with muay thai, it would be definitely among k-1 finest. So far only kyokushin fighters managed to be competitive with muay thai fines in k-1 and later on in glory. Andy hug, sam greco, francisco filho, jerome le banner, glaube feitosa, sem schilt etc.
Wow, I know this guy, he's in my university martial arts society.
I was expecting Blake Griffin to start doing some basketball shit
Bruce Lee had this to say about Choy Li Fut Kung Fu: “Choy Li Fut is the most effective system that I've seen for fighting more than one person. It is one of the most difficult styles to attack and defend against. Choy Li Fut is the only style that traveled to Thailand to fight the Thai boxers and won.” - this is in his first students book. Interesting quote. Though, I still think Chinese Wrestling is the most effective TCMA.
It's been said to death, but *holy shit*, Bruce Lee was ahead of his time.
Rear leg sidekick 1:34! You know if ur a muaythai practitioner and already have made up in ur mind that its muaythai that is doing then it really isnt a fair analysis. So instead of bitching and whining.ill show u 1:51(inverted/inside/whipping kick missed not setupNOT MUAYTHAI🤔) 3:53 (Vertical Fist-BackfistCross NOT MUAYTHAI)5:29 ( whip kick finally lands..alsoalso the guy has his powerside forward.he isnt really landing left strikes.those arent teeps those are snap kicks.teeps are pushes. U leave foot out much longer which is why many are swept.he snapping his foot and pulling back which why guy cant catch it.
Ref looks like a more hardened toughguy version of Kevin James
Wow never heard of Choy Li Fut. Wonder how it would fair against Sanda..... @fightcommentarybreakdowns. What are the top three Chinese martial arts? Sanda, Choy Li Fut, and Wing Chung?
Wing Chun is very low on the list. Also hard to tell which is the first 3. Wudang styles are the best Kung-fu styles, so Wudang, Baji Quan, Xing Yi and Bagua are higher than CLF. CLF is around Hung-Gar and Jow Pai level style, which is alright, you can compete with them.
Hung Gar, Bajiquan, Choy Li Fut, and Sanda accdg to commentator guy on one video.
The only CMA that works practically is Sanda and Shuai Jiao.
One of the Sanda Kings practices CLF. and CLF was partly responsible for SANDA's origin.
The 3 jewels of southern kung fu is choy li fut , wing chun, hung gar. They all respect each other(to an extent). Sanda is not so much a style its a set of rules and training for a sports context. Its known as chinese mma. Hung gar is complicated as in there are alot of forms. Choy li fut has a ridicouls amount of forms(100+?) and weapons. Wing chun has only 4 forms and 2 weapons but its simple but DEEP. The wing chun i study is developed by a 3 time hong kong sanda champion...
I love CLF but I can't practice Choy li fut. There is no one who knows this here in Bangladesh.
There's something called Meotode in Karate. It's similar to trapping hands from Kung Fu, but Meotode looks like it's meant to be used at a shorter range. If you think it's worth it, maybe you can make a video about it.
Interesting. Could you send some video links? I would love to check it out!
@@FightCommentary yes. This ruclips.net/video/MdBqTUdubXk/видео.html ruclips.net/video/jxdYMOfkchs/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/dQzCmn4NoPs/видео.html
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y thank you so much!!
@Fight Commentary Breakdowns you quite frequently say "how much Kung Fu do you see in this" but I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, if you're looking for what the forms look like then your thoughts on how Kung Fu work in a fight are as deluded as most practitioners of said Kung Fu. The forms do not represent what fighting is but are an outdated method of training the core principles of the art. If you're specifically looking for things from the forms, an effective fighter would never do that because it would work as well trying to kill someone with a pool noodle- will it work? Yea if you wrap it around a dude's neck hard enough you'll probably kill him, but it's definitely not very likely.
When you went "Oh wow that's kung fu!" at 8:55, that's just a spinning back kick- that's in every martial art a spinning back kick exists in. That's like looking at that one video on RUclips showing how Anderson Silva does "Wing Chun" and it's just a compilation of his worse moments, pointing out some hand movement and saying "THAT'S WING CHUN! HE USED WING CHUN!". No, he tried to block an incoming punch. That's just fighting.
Funny...basically every move Blake used is found in a CLF form.
Choy li fut I always wanted to learn that martial art but there is no choy li fut schools around me sadly.
where do you live?
Why do most of these clips look like they were encoded using something ancient like Real Video or XviD?
If Choy Li Fut is in the top 3, what are the other 2 and how do you rank all 3?
I also think around 10 percent. Did CLF give him tweaked teeps sometimes? I was surprised and intrigued that he succeeded without getting more bladed like sanda fighters. I love CLF and think--hope?--it could become a poor person's Capeoeria of the hands with its twists, turns, and spins. The higher the level of opponent, of course, the less one can get that stuff off.
100% CLF in this video.
wait if choy li fut is your in your top three chinese martial arts, then what are the other ones?
Hung Gar!🐉
What are the other two kung fu styles that are part of the top three in your opinion Jerry?
Bajiquan and Sanda (but Sanda is kind of cheating because it’s a Hybrid style already). But Sanda definitely.
@@FightCommentary Oh! Have you done any commentary on Bajiquan?! Sanda definitely feels like a cheat answer.
@@KevinStudio201 In that case, Bajiquan and Shuai Jiao if we both agree that Sanda is cheating. I'll look at some Baji soon!
@@FightCommentary I love the answers! I can't wait to watch that Baji video man! Great work!
@@FightCommentary Finally, you look up the Baji which I recommended you tonns of times. :D Yes, you're right, Baji is stronger than CLF, but also the other Wudang styles are stronger, like the Xing Yi, Bagua and Wudang itself. I'm not sure about Tai Chi tho. Tai Chi could be good grappling style, but it isn't, coz it focuses the chi, instead of fighting. But I know someone, who practiced Tai Chi and he learned the combat version of it. He could easily grapple Judo and Grappling fighters. So Tai Chi could be strong as hell, but since they doesn't train for that, I would say only Baji, Xing Yi, Bagua and Wudang are better than CLF.
I was estimating a similar kung fu% like 10-15%. I was settling on 10 then i saw the spinning back kick and i think that bumps it up to 12% in my super subjective not knowing a lot of kung fu scale. Also the other question arround 10 times maybe.
In a not so related topic i was expecting a KOD preview since it goes live tomorrow. Liao Guo Xiang AKA GX "Monkey King" fights in tomorrow´s video
You said Choy Li Fut is a martial art you would consider to be in the top 3 Chinese martial arts, which other two would you place there? I am guessing Wing Chun is one of them?
Hahahah. Definitely not wing Chun 😜
@@FightCommentary hahaha 😂 give us your top three in a video bro! That would be awesome
wing chun no way!!!!!
@@hungsingkwoonusa650 haha ... man it is getting a bad name these day!
@@KarimDavisFilms Choy Lee Fut will never have a bad name. Kung Fu, sure...many of them are pansie's and money chasers. true gung fu people fight, train to hurt, and more. commercial schools are the down fall of kung fu. thank god CLF is kicking ass and doing well.
You said choy li fut is one of the top 3 kung fu styles.. which are the other 2 then?
Hung Gar was in the early UFC
When martial artist fight some what correctly no matter the style when true danger and bad intentions are present there is little difference in styles.
Cual es muay thai y cual es clf?
choy li fut is underrated
Agreed. I feel like part of it is because it didn't have a Quan or Zhang in the name. Quan means fist and Zhang means palm. Imagine if it were named Choy Li Quan or Choy Li Tui (the kicks of Choy Li). Semantics and branding play a very, very big part in a style's popularity.
All those moves that he did are in various KF
right. but Drake is buk sing choy lee fut. most kung fu comes from shaolin. so we're gonna look similar to other styles
What would you say are the best Chinese Martial Arts in your opinion?
Sanda
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth and Shuai Jiao
@@user-vy2iz8cw8c Shuai Jiao today like Pankration is not the same as in the past, was forgotten and people don't have the same moves, techniques, they don't know exactly how it was
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth I think you can still trace a lot of it to the Qing Dynasty's Shan Pu Ying (Manchu Wrestling).
I don't see wushu in that fight
Definitely been hit in the nuts more than I can count. Accidentally and intentionally lol. But, I can remem6the ones in fights particularly well.
Yeah, I got hit in the nuts a few times when I did Kajukenbo, but I definitely hit my brother way more in sparring.
@@hankwatt I remember back in high school, at football practice we used to "cup check" each other all the time too.
It’s nice seeing Chinese martial arts being effective.
I see 70 MT 30 ClF first match
Second match it's hard to tell how much Kung Fu it's welded together a little better in match two
Not a big fan that blind spinning kick move on griffen it looks risky
I see 100% CLF. Yes, it does look similar to Muay Thai or kickboxing when put into practice, but every technique used by Blake is part of CLF as well.
If Muay Thai-like sparring is (a big) part of the CLF fighter's curriculum, imagine how good he'd be if he REGULARLY did Muay Thai-like sparring and sparring-related training (aka Muay Thai) instead of CLF forms, weapons, etc.
Then again, if he flat-out enjoys CLF (& he must since he got that CLF tattoo) then of course he should keep doing it. It probably also breaks the monotony of sparring-related style of training.
@Peasant Scrublord I'm pretty sure of that too but this contest was with Muay Thai rules and CFL guy was ready for it.
We're NOT limited to just fighting. Our weapons training isn't or wasn't for health. OUr elders have fought in tons of Revolutions fighting to the death. CLF is adaptable and we have to limit what we use in the ring or people could really get hurt. At our basic level, we have everything any other combat style has minus the floor game. todays generations of CLF fighters have been fixing that by learning bjj and judo.
Blake should try more gut shots. Not uppercuts. Straight-in gut shots. And he's poor at kick parries. On the street, he should know how to grab a kick. He probably doesnt.
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Blake does fight more squared off than bladed, but his feet seem more in line to me. Reminds me of the Bai Jong stance, which JKD and some styles of CLF use.
CLF footwork is exaggerated in forms for training and didactic purposes (as well as, got to admit, some “vestigial” aesthetic tradition). But you don’t fight with stances as low or as wide as the forms - you adapt to the situation. And a lot of CLF footwork, when done more loosely, just ends up looking like kickboxing, even when the practicioner doesn’t actually train kickboxing.
Also: CLF leads with the strong side, and it does have straight punches and short uppercuts and elbows and knees. And most of the CLF kicks are the same as any other kickboxing art: push, roundhouse, side. As well as the FUN stuff like hook kick and the spinning stuff, of course.
Choy li fut is #1
This topic comes up so often, but what is the kung fu you expect to see? Like, I think what Blake is doing looks a lot like MT/boxing, but what do people expect when it's a KF guy in the ring who isn't making his “sparring debut”?
Everything looks like the thing you're more familiar especially when literally how broad something like kick boxing is
It just looks like regular kickboxing whenever a traditional martial artist actually can do anything in MMA all those forms and fancy dance moves go out the window might as well just learn kickboxing from the start
that's cause you don't understand kung fu and real life combat. kung fu has to dumb itself down and train to fight in mma
@@hungsingkwoonusa650 Yeah and you don't understand what I know or don't know watch your mouth
@@joanstone6740 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nah i ain't watchin sh*t. you can miss me with that fake tough guy sh*t. quit your woofin.
Apparently choy li fut was the style which defeated thai boxing back in the olden days according to wikipedia.
Maybe he was using so little CLF to throw off his opponents, catching them off guard. That’s my theory
what were you expecting to see from the CLF figther?
Kung fu optimized to succeed in a MT fight will look like MT. Same for karate.
Just like Kung fu optimized for American kickboxing will look like American kickboxing.
Blue's kung fu is im going to do a spinning back fist till I win.
It's all Choy Lay Fut. The front spear kicks and the front strikes followed by Sao Chey & back fist and flowing into spinning round kicks. Hung Sing style me reckon. (Buck Sing Choy Lay Fut more powerful) He was not doing any Muay Thai..
The first ThaiBoxer looks silly...
Either the CLF guy has cross trained and incorporated Muy Thai into his system or is using Muy Thai against a Muy Thai fighter. But I see the CLF guy pressure testing his Gung Fu against another system. 👍🏼
Are you sure there is any Choy Li Fut in this? I don't see the 10% that you say. I see maybe 1% and that's the tattoo the guy wears that says Choy Li Fut. Not to be mean, but I think we're searching in a haystack to find a needle that doesn't exist.
What CLF do you know that qualifies you to say you didn't see any CLF? i say you're wrong. I teach CLF and see where it is and where it's not. your vision is limited.
I don't think you know anything about CLF if you can't see it.
Choy Li Fut guy did zero Kung fu and 100% Muay Thai.... why even bother claiming to be a chow a li fut guy when you don't even use 1 technique from it.....
He did plenty of techniques. What the hell where you expecting? A butterfly kick? Please do some research.
@@karablack8336 The choy li fut guy has trained kickboxing for this, he will throw the odd kung fu kick or spin fist, but he's using kickboxing, anytime a kung fu fighter does decent in a ring, he’s usually using kickboxing (badly) just skip the Kung fu.... 12 years of horse stance cant defeat 3 months of Muay Thai ( I trained for 8 years in Kung fu, was good but worthless in a real fight) Then I trained for 4 years in Muay Thai, and that shit works, and I trained BJJ that shit also works.... ( just my opinion)
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There wasn't a single movement unique to Choy Li Fut or Kung fu done here. Just basic kick boxing.
Yea I’m not a Choy li Fut fighter but obviously it’s not gonna look like a kung fu movie and I feel that’s what everyone expects when they hear about a kung fu fighter fighting anything else. Maybe he was doing some solid Kung fu but we just can’t see it.
u watch too much kung fu movie. as bruce lee himself said, unless u have six hand or four feet, all your kicks and punches will be more or less the same.
@@jamesgabriel7132 The Chinese styles should disappear then
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth style is just art. if u re talking about actual fighting. a jab is a jab, a kick is a kick, if u re able to srike down an opponent with right hook, do u really need to flash out all those kung fu move u saw on movie?
@@jamesgabriel7132 Art? this is fighting, if they r gonna fight the same, everything from China should disappear, except Sanda
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Choy Li Fut doesnt look any different to Kickboxing or Muay Thai.
the footwork looks weird and more kungfui
Nah, kickboxing vs muay thai
nah. CLF vs Muay Thai.
@@hungsingkwoonusa650 nope, kickboxing, here are the techniques that you say is choy le fat? this is kickboxing, if you tell me that the clf has the same thing as kickboxing, this is convenient for you. ke present a video of the clf techniques.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 Choy Lee Fut is one of the Original Mixed Martial arts and PREDATES Kick Boxing. tell me what YOU think is NOT or IS CLF.....i already know it so its your turn to tell me what you're looking for to make it CLF.
@@hungsingkwoonusa650 right, make a video of your style, who preceded kickboxing was karate, which in turn was a mixture created by the Americans, which dates back to the 70s.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 Choy Lee Fut Kung Fu established in 1836 and consisted of the Choy Style, Lee Style, and Buddha Styles of Kung Fu from the Southern Shaolin Temple. Created by 3 styles makes it a mixed martial art. Plus, our system has continuously been tried and tested in life and death combat, challenge matches, and revolutionary war. The Kung Fu school I belong to, and teach out of is America's 1st and oldest EXISTING kung fu school on american soil. We've been HERE since the early 1920's, and had even fucked bruce lee and his students up in our past. In the new IP MAN movie, mentions our CLF American branch Founder Professor Lau Bun. Today we're nearly 100 years old and still one of the most respected schools till this day in regards to traditional schools.
all Chinese martial arts ( with the exception MAYBE of shaui chiao) ends up breaking down into Western style boxing, basic grappling and ends up needing BJJ to compensate. period. even san shou/sanda ends up down that path. TCMA is pointless. especially "internal" woo woo chi styles.
why u say kung fu...the guy is kick boxer those tecniche they don't teach in kung fu and is ovios that is sparring with kick boxer or muay thai
Choy Li Fut is overrated only because the actor Bruce Lee and the myths that he wrote on his book. If you see the Choy Li Fut videos you will see that it is pure garbage. This guy in the video is just a Kickboxer. The only 2 Chinese martial arts that not suck are Sanda and Shuai Jiao.
I think I agree. You should show Jerry some of the videos.
Choy Li Fut was the basis of Sanda.
TJL , watch the Jerry's video about the true Sanda origin on this channel.