Happy holidays, kings A few comments to go over briefly, I don't check comments often: Q. Why is Zeus ~ Odin, a problem for Kratos 3 VS Kratos 4? A. This is only a problem if Thor is stronger or relative to Kratos in GOWR. My GOW friend wanted me to give the side that 3 might be stronger because he feels as though it is unrepresented due to the fact people assume that because Kratos got older, he got stronger (Which is true) but it's ignoring that Kratos in 3 Had all of Hope, and in 4 he only has a small shard of it meaning that growing older does not inherently make you stronger than all of Hope. The reason it's a problem if Thor is stronger than Kratos, is because we know Thor > Baldur, and if Kratos struggles or is relative to Thor while going all out in GOWR then 3 Kratos would be stronger by default. This is because Zeus ~ Odin > Thor, in which Kratos could annihilate Zeus while he was amped off of Fear to top it all off. The novel statement of Baldur being the strongest he's ever faced is also debated about and is also contradicted by Bruno's statement that Zeus ~ Odin, who would annihilate Baldur, with some thinking that this statement was made with Kratos thinking Baldur may have been the strongest mortal he's ever fought before learning he was a God. The statement of Corey could also be referring to them base to base, as Hope is an amp to Kratos, rather than how strong he is normally which is the unanswered contention people have with 3 vs 4. Not only is Kratos from 3 amped by Hope, but he is amped by Hades (Who he absorbed and loses after 3) and also has his God of War powers he absorbed from the Blade of Olympus (that he loses after 3) that makes people think base to base is the real question, as end of 3 is not just Kratos any longer but a multitude of things combined. This is why I said, "No matter who you think is stronger." as I am not trying to objectively say one is stronger than the other but give a case for why 3 could scale to 4 pretty reasonably, even if you say 4 is stronger and was holding back in GOW4, this video only needs 3 to be able to scale to suppressed 4's feats. Which due to the Bruno statement of Zeus > Thor / Baldur, would mean that 3 Kratos can do everything Kratos did in 4 at the bare minimum. This is also important as 3 has better special tools to deal with Thor than 4 does, and makes the matchup more interesting. Q. Why did you say Thor isn't a good fighter? A. This is not what was stated, the argument is that Thor usually does not resort to his highly advanced fighting styles or abilities that often, not that he can't. To answer a side comment as well, yes, both universes in Thor and Kratos' cases are infinite when I'm talking about them.
It’s a shame Kratos lost all of his cool weapons he gained from killing God’s. Hades weapons that give you a army of the dead was my favorite, it was like Warframe Nekros.
@@emanueldargan I know, but I was just talking about the blades, it’s possible the game nerfed them, like everything else, so it’s possible they can do far more, basically working like Sung Jin Woo powers.
Kratos is holding back it’s implied throughout the whole game and in this one gow4 comic it’s revealed he kept his anger from rising the whole time holding himself back, though gow3 Kratos should be more powerful due to many things such as not holding back and having way better weapons.
Regarding speed feats, Kratos reacted to, parried, and repelled the Light of Helios, which was stated in the game lore to have lit up the mortal realm, tartarus, hades, etc) instantaneously in a manner similar to that blast of frost Thor took.
Yo Seth could you do a video scaling the power of Asura from the Asura’s Wrath game? I’ve seen various people comparing Asura and Kratos and it would be pretty awesome to see who you think would win in a versus battle…
"Classic" Thor when he's serious has a lot in his tool bag that wasn't even mentioned like his mastery over impossible storms that are exponentially more powerful than normal, anti-force blasts, energy absorption and rechanneling of that same energy one hundredfold or more, etc. If you just relegate Thor to a brick that smashes with his hammer, his fight with Gorr was shattering planets as collateral damage while they fought in space
Greek gods are actually immortal and dont get weaker with age, they actually get stronger with age so i think he is definitely stronger than he was in gow 3. He has also been holding back his wild beaslty full power because of his son.
@@WayneTwitch Not at all, know the characters power level before you say shit like that because Hercules is at least High Universe Level. Tier: At least High 3-A, likely Low 2-C to 2-C Name: Hercules Origin: God of War Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Demigod, Son of Zeus, Greek Hero Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Air Manipulation (Can create shockwaves with his sheer strength), Resistance to Earthly Diseases and some forms of Magic Attack Potency: At least High Universe level, likely Universe level+ to Low Multiverse level (Rivals the mightiest of the gods and titans in strength. Matched God of War 3 Kratos. Was implied to have temporarily replaced Atlas in holding up the heavens so the latter could retrieve the Apples of Hera) Speed: Infinite (Can react to Helios's light, who's able to illuminate the entire underworld with his light, which is stated in numerous sources to be infinite in size) Lifting Strength: At least Infinite (As in the original myths, Hercules held up the infinite universe so Atlas could retrieve the apples of Hera. He was also able to match Kratos in push and pull, and threw him hard enough to temporarily knock him out) likely Immeasurable (The Greek Reality in God of War was shown to contain numerous universe-sized dimensions bordering the main universe, such as Thanatos's Domain of Death, which predates even the Titans themselves, Nyx’s parallel dimension of eternal night, and Morpheus's Dream Realm, which had its own flow of time) Striking Strength: At least High Universal, likely Universal+ to Low Multiversal (His attacks were making Kratos bleed and visibly exert effort) Durability: At least High Universe level, likely Universe level+ to Low Multiverse level (Resisted a countless amount of direct physical attacks from Kratos throughout their fight, and even while completely trapped and helpless, it took nearly 20 blows with the Nemean Cestus to finish him off) Nigh-Invulnerability: Hercules, like most demigods and Gods, is invulnerable to a certain extent. It takes far more to end his life than simple injuries like a human would, as Hercules takes a tremendous amount and variety of attacks from Kratos during their clash, including but not limited to cuts and severe blunt attacks with his own Nemean Cestus, with the resultant blood loss and trauma not appearing to weaken or significantly contribute to his death, which itself was via Kratos crushing his face into his skull. Superhuman Stamina: Hercules never tires and can remain in battles for very long periods of time, as not even when facing Kratos and after taking enormous amounts of injury and blood loss did he seem to be exhausted. Standard Equipment: The Nemean cestus Intelligence: Lots of battle experience from completeting his 12 tasks which included but not limited to: Slaying the Nemean Lion and bring back its skin, which was invincible against attacks. Slay the 9-headed Hydra in the swamps of Lerna. And Capture Cerberus, the three-headed dog guardian of the Underworld, alive and bring him back. Dude literally held up the infinite Universe for Atlas. He’s no joke.
Personally always loved Rune King Thor, and it feels like a more deserved powerup than just getting part of The Power Cosmic from Galactus. Also he's, as far as I'm aware, far more powerful.
You do know that Greek gods get stronger as they age ( confirmed by cory barlog ) which means that present kratos is stronger then kratos that defeated zeus!!. And kratos lifted the the temple in gow 4. Which technically means that kratos has infinite strength!!!!!!
@@glaxticalien8020 Clearly thats fake news considering Kratos killed Zeus. Thor is the most powerful god there ever has been Thor is legit 10 x stronger then Kratos but Thor is a idiot and Kratos is smart and also Thor has endless strength and stamina Bulder also almost killed kratos and bulter a kid compared to Thor
I mean in terms of kratos stamina he basically completes everything in god of war 2 and 3 non stop. He’s always running and always fighting, or always climbing every step of the way. Plus he was fighting god one after the other with more or less no real break in between.
I'm surprised Seth didn't brought up the God Butcher which Thor (even though he needed help from other versions of him) did beat but I wasn't surprised by the outcome... much. COSMIC KING THOR?! WTF DID THAT COME FROM?! But you know what, I'm not fully surprised. Comics do crazy stuff all the time! Nice video!
Cosmic King Thor basically took over as the new All-Father of Asgard as Odin is sort of retired. It's Donny Cates writing this version of Thor (after Jason Aaron's super long Thor run), so this version of Thor is pretty hax for modern comic versions of Thor.
Another factor that needs to be brought up to is the difference in Motivation and Drive between both GOW3 and the new God of War. Whereas Kratos in God of War 3 was a full blood-thirsted rage monster, Old Man Kratos is constantly attempting to keep his rage in check and It’s even implied heavily that he’s holding back throughout the entire story, even with the Balder fights.
It's really irrelevant. The only reason this comparison even seems remotely fair is because he's nerfing tf out of Thor. I'm an old man Kratos fanboi, but Thor literally becomes the most powerful being in the universe as the Rune King.
But we are talking about Base comic Thor. And true rkt would kill kratos, I'm waiting until they make the last gow game in whatever mythology to see his true power.
Personally based on what cory stated, and how God's generally get stronger as they age in game, i assume that old Kratos + shard of hope would be able to beat his god of war 3 self. But again that would be ignoring the contradiction that even Cory has stated the gods in realms are of relatively same power. That would either mean it's just a retcon that happened if Thor is stronger than Zeus, or that Cory was talking about Gow3 Kratos without awakening hope. Another question i have is what about GOW god Kratos who had God power + hope? How strong is that beast?
Strong enough to Damage and Destroy any Concept in Existence... that's how Strong. With Hope, he Transcends every Infinity, Transcends every Concept (which makes him have Power over all Concepts), plus he has Infinite Power as well and way more Haxes, such as ShapeShifting (growing into The Size of a God like how Zeus did in GoW 2), he also has Hax-Resistance, such as Resistance to Conceptual and Physical Existence Erasure (when Fear Zeus Broke Kratos' Neck and Tried to Conceptually and Physically Erase Kratos right before Kratos Activated The Power of Hope), having PURE HOPE, which Bruno Velasquez Stated it being a Platonic Concept, not just some Ordinary Concept. So yeah... PRRRRETTY DAMN POWERFUL if you do some Research about it and talk to The Devs about it too.
While Gods do usually get stronger with Age. Kratos has lost so many powerful weapons, gear and abilities between GOW3 and GOW4 so it wouldn't surprise me if he's weaker than his former self or if he's about the same level of power with the added strength+ leviathan axe countering the loss of the weapons/abilities.
@@OK-yy6qz tbh Kratos doesn't need those weapons to kill a god. He killed Ares without his blades. But again that's why this thing is so complicated if one wants to go by the director and novels, we have to ignore the contradictions 😂😂 The real question is how much destruction would god Kratos + PoH cause?
@@carrot7215 yes Kratos is powerful even without weapons that doesn't mean the weapon's don't amp him though. Each weapon is also relative to the God that was originally using it so these weapons are insanely powerful. At the very least the weapons would give him a ton of Hax which also makes him powerful in a sense. This also shows in the Gameplay GOW4 Kratos clearly does more damage to his opponent but his more limited arsenal makes his opponent just as hard to kill as they were in the previous games
About Thor's God-Blast, this attack is specifically deadly for any God even Ego mentions he is terrified of the God-Blast because it would kill him. After the fight with Baldur Kratos was heavily breathing meaning his stamina is and regeneration is not as good as it once was, so GOW 3 Kratos will be superior since he is younger. While TBOO (the blade of olympus) can drain powers Thor too has shown to absorb too as seen with his fight with Glory. Thor has shown he can negate mystical powers like cutting off the connection between Juggernaut and Cyttorak. This could go either way depending on what you allow and what you dont, TBH Thor's God-Blast alone is enough since it is specifically deadly to any God.
Minor correction about Cosmic King Thor: He took the Power Cosmic from Galactus. He literally stated he took it. Also, glad to see you didn't break out the big guns like Phoenix King Thor or Rune King Thor lol. Those I think are no diff wins over Kratos. But I like the throwback to God Blast. Another feat he, Thor, rarely uses, AntiForce which is almost as powerful as the Godblast.
@@rinnerebirth1171 Rune King Thor is 100% cannon. Phoenix King Thor isn't technically cannon because it's a future possibility. However, Rune King Thor is absolutely cannon. That was literally him ending Ragnarok the cycle and it still holds in the continuity. So you can use him. And he claps Kratos no diff.
@@gohanblanco5641 I'd debate that one with you. Rune King Thor was rewriting reality as he walked. His subconscious stopped Mangog, a charging, raging, Mangog...without even thinking about it. And then destroyed him with the wave of his hand. TWSAIS were Beyonders, but then someone mentioned they were from the realm of The One Above All from his House of Ideas. I'd say Rune King Thor is easily more powerful than any other version still.
@@mxnghanclan ik I was just stating it, but when thor stalemated the world serpent was aware and ready overall, when baldur beat him he sneak attacked him so it was easier to win. Thor out classes baldur in brute strength and power but baldur is the better hand to hand combatant.
Baseline Thor has shown consistent infinite/trans infinite multiverse feats, with the occasional outlier low outerversal feats. Things like -killing demogorge, an actual eternity level being that was the Marvel concept of eternity that eats other gods as sustenance (clarified by the writer as he specifies that demogorge was meant to be the Marvel multiverse’s incarnation of the concept of eternity) - Thor one shoted King Amatsu, who at the time was able to destroy almost 99% of the trans infinite Marvel Multiverse with his power -Gorr the god butcher states that Thor is the strongest bring he has ever faced up until that point, and he’d actually killed a celestial himself - Thor has knocked out the Sentry with just one strike after getting bum rushed by him -Thor knocked over and severally wounded a mid-fed Galactus, shattering his helmet and making him scream from the pain. This is during Thor’s continuing fight with The Silver Surfer, who he blitzes past to do this -Thor tanks a hit from the unbinding stone, which if he didn’t would have destroyed the trans infinite multiverse And these are just a handful of crazy things. All base level, no Thorforce, no runes, just baseline Thor. He’s an absolute monster who holds back most of the time because he’d literally destroy the Earth if he didn’t. Now imagine him actually being given his strongest canon forms and you start to get a better picture of just how scary of a character Thor really is. It’s hard to justify Kratos coming out on top if we’re actually giving Thor all his continuity feats. Which since Marvel does soft reboots of its characters rather than the hard reboot line at DC, then a good majority of his stories that don’t branch off into alternative timelines (like the reign Thor storyline) can and are valid to use. Though with roundabout 70 years and thousands of comics, you’re bound to find ludicrous stuff all over a character’s continuity.
I would say you definitely downplayed the cosmology, as you mentioned universes in marvel as if they were just Universal, I'd argue it's more consistent that they scale way higher. Great video regardless.
One of the things that, to me, always puts Kratos at an advantage, is to find the weakness in his enemies. He's faced hordes of oddly powered foes and always comes out on top because, not only can he survive their onslaught, but he finds their weaknesses and exploits it. Sure he's brutal and tenacious. But his unyielding resourcefulness is what really makes him THE God of War.
Same here. I know comic, games, movies are supposed to just be entertainment but then it gets to the point where it seems like a five year old write this stuff.
Kratos' speed while travelling the world tree can't be ascribed to his physical feats because that's the magic of the place itself. He was travelling with his son at the same time who has no such kratos speed. It is safe to say though that he is fast enough for thors speed not to matter on its own as kratos is in the god killing business.
@@defintlynoob4263 In God of Wat 2018, you literally fight the valkyries head on in an arena. Just take the main Valkyrie, you literally fight her in Midgard after killing all other valkyries. You basically fight her on earth. The valkyrie isnt carrying Kratos on her back, neither are they fighting along the branches of Ygdrassil. Kratos is basically fighting an impossibly fast being on earth and manages to win. Your ISS analogy makes no sense here.
there is a difference between travelling speed and fighting speed..valkaries were not just running in that fight it was just a normal fight which at least human eyes could react to stop speaking nonsense@@bigjuice2623
There's honestly no way to properly scale this fight because comics are highly inconsistent in terms of power level. It's whatever the writer wants it to be. Sometimes Thor can even be hurt by bullets, and other times, he can destroy planets with one swing of his hammer. Thor's power scaling is equivalent to rolling a dice in a D&D game.
@@weafy6007 that’s why we say Lore Kratos, because why would we use gameplay Kratos? The creators of the game said themselves that no one would play a game where there’s no challenge, where every person you run into you one tap. Wouldn’t be a fun game. Comics has no excuse to be inconsistent while a game does
@@thekidnasa1126 it makes no sense if gameplay isn't reflected with lore because that would mean every time we saw kratos struggle with something he was holding back which is stupid when he's on the verge of dying
Hey just wanted to mention that mathematically speaking, you can in theory fit infinite subdivisions into a finite space. Think of infinite series that converge. Split a bloc of paper into 1/2 then 1/4 and so on and you get an infinite pages book. So the book with infinite pages can have a finite volume and weight.
Personally I would be more interested on a power scaling assessment of Dante from Devil May Cry and him vs Kratos than just another Kratos vs Thanos, but Both are Cool!
3:32 actually the feat you are referring to takes place in the future of the game’s canon timeline. The splintering of the Yggdrasil sent Jormangundr back in time before his own birth, and thus Thor would be older and possibly stronger than he is in GOW 2018. Just wanted to clear that up. Great video!
@@cringekiller348 I study mythologies as a past time. Norse age slower if they eat the apples of idunn. Norse gods have a doomsday for christ sake. Greek gods are virtually immortal in actual mythology. Your sources are "trust me bro i know it" mine are going to be linked in a few minutes.
Mimir said he doesnt know because he doesnt know. Out of universe Thor is meant to be the big boss for Kratos we are waiting for so we cant get a statement like "Yeah Thor is tough but your dad got this"
It's weird, in the Avengers guide I have it's stated that the Godblast can even kill immortals. Going by that, I question whether or not Kratos could really resurrect from being destroyed by it. But I don't think it's consistently shown to do that.
This video should be titled, “Loopholes Kratos Can Use to Beat Marvel Comics Thor”. Love both characters dearly, but Thor has performed feats which are just inconceivable in the world of GOW. The lore is more fleshed out and his displays are conceptually more grandiose than anything we’ve seen Kratos experience.
You missed the part where he said he is using base thor lol. He specifically stated what version of Thor he is using. He said any other version like classic, cosmic Thor etc would beat kratos.
@@OK-yy6qz which multiversal feat? The strongest foe (game wise not actual lore) was Zeus. In game, the gods have hardly shown enough power to pull off planetary destroying feats meanwhile Thor has gone up against deities that could easily destroy planets and much more. Kratos has a shot against base line thor but he gets stomped by basically any other incarnation.
@@user-ey4ut9uc8w in game Thor Splintered the God tree in his fight with the serpent. Same serpent that got destroyed by Baldur. In game Kratos have fought opponents that can destroy both the Elysium and Tartarus both stated to be infinite. In game his fight with Baldur was damaging all the realms. In game he defeated the sisters of fate who are straight up omnipotent and both know and dictate what will happen. In game he defeated the very consept of fear when Zeus was using it. In game he kills Helios and the sun stopped existing. Also why not include lore? The lore exists for a reason and can give you better feats/understanding of the opponents than the game
Nice. Also if you think about it, just a single cyclops from the GoW franchise could power scale to be a threat to put entire world if Kratos really is this fast and strong. After all, those monsters do *hurt* him. Addendum: I was apparently misunderstanding the situation
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 yep, creators have said that the only reason he struggles with trolls who are building level is for gameplay only and that his true feats are from novels and statements
Kratos in gameplay is hurt by humans. That's for pure gameplay purposes because he can't only fight Gods and the game would be boring if the other threats couldn't even hurt him. Very few Monsters aside from the Gods are remotely as powerful as Kratos.
So Kratos can die, but he'd only go to Hades because of where he's from and he'd just climb out again. Not to mention, he's not only a god, but the embodiment of a concept itself, war. If you want speed feats, he's got the boots of Hermes, as well as the speed and reaction time of a God of Olympus. It's simply slowed down so we can play and understand what's going on in the game. An example of that is when he takes the powers of the titans. Not only did he literally rip apart an entire pantheon of creationists gods with his bare hands, but then proceeded to kill Kronos himself... it makes no sense, but essentially was killing time, lol
@@cringekiller348 it’s not though, the Titans defeated the beings that created the universe then got defeated by the Gods of Olympus who then got slaughtered by Kratos. Hell, Kratos has killed some of the Titans also. Dude is op
The GOW versions of the Greek Gods were heavily nerfed. If they were the true full power mythology Gods there would only be one GOW and it would be like 10 seconds long because Kratos would have been Molly wopped by the first God e fought.
I think if GoW4 Kratos had every weapon from every GoW game(since he is able to carry multiple weapons) and every accessory from the GoW games, he would fuck damn near everyone up.
I saw this one going similar to Thor vs Hercules. Can kratos knock mljonir from Thor's hand. Great vid. My opinion was when I played through GOW4 kratos was holding back a lot considering he kept his rage in check and didn't use most his godly abilities. And technically rivaled all father status. But we will see cosmic king Thor takes the win fair enough.
@@cringekiller348 lol well comics always take it too far it'd almost pointless to make unique heroes when they all end up scaling to do the same shit in a different twist and then they're so OP but how do they still lose to others?
I think an interesting question is whether or not kratos still has all of the weapons and powers he obtained from killing all the Greek gods as well as when different titans and gods granted him power.
Hang on a minute, Kratos moving so fast he can move through time is only based on him being able to traverse yggdrasil? Isn't that something completely useless in battle and he can't move in incredible speeds in any other way?
He can't move fast asf, but he can fight fast asf. Many of Kratos' enemies tried to lock him in time and it never worked. He also fought against beings that could cross infinite dimensions instantly, and scales to beings that existed before time and space were a thing.
@@tomchuur6431 Pretty sure kratos is fast asf, like someone else in the comments said. Kratos parried and repelled helios light whilst being like 3 meters away from him, which is also said to light up all of reality instantaneously. (tartarus, mortal realm, hades etc etc..)
@@MEME_ENTHUSIASTZ Kratos can fight fast asf. But he can't run fast asf. He's definitely faster than normal, but he's not as fast as Hermes, Zeus or Valkyries.
@@tomchuur6431 I'd disagree with you, since like I said he took herme's boots. So if we assume that hermes speed originates from his boots then kratos has hermes speed.
Seth basically said Kratos would win DEPENDING on certain conditions we allow for Kratos. He even said the sentence “if we assume that Kratos can...” so it’s all conditional against Based Thor.
I like when you scale more western characters. Just waiting on you to jump on the Invincible hype when future seasons blow the first one out of the water.
Kratos without weapons is simply unkillable , how can you beat Kratos ? Even without his rage he is cursed and can’t stay dead , he tried so many times in so many different ways and he can’t die , Thor is stronger on most versions of him but Kratos is gotta come back stronger and kill him in the end because Kratos has killed a whole pantheon himself , Thor is just one god in his pantheon
Actually Thor can die. He is long lived, he is brought back due to continuity bs and multiverse. But he canon can die and stay dead, he is fated to die in Ragnarok too. Kratos is true god immortal and literally been said by the authors and directors he is holding back on the last game and when he fought against gods they are technically moving beyond time and space, but its portraid as is in the game because its a a game, but he says that the fight go beyond reality.
ComicBook/Marvel Thor is on a whole different level. Kratos would not stand a chance. Simple examples, Kratos cannot breath in space, fly or even withstand a blast of the Sun. All ComicBook Thor could do and live.
Kratos can breathe in space he was able to breathe in the outer space of Ares. He could fly with Icarus wings and took the blast of Helios who’s stated to embody the sun and literally is the sun. Apollo also stated he can heat hotter than the sun.
I would disagree that thor would lose entirely. Here is why, on the thortalk channel. A video goes into depth of Thor's fighting skill and prowess of about a millennia at minimum. Also we gotta consider warrior madness Thor. He would be concentrated on only Kratos with no one else to be a distraction. Base Thor feats as previously stated are at galaxy levels or universal levels. Warrior madness Thor will be 10x the amount
Thor has fought skyfather level charcters a lot of times and had hurt them or killed them. When thor is going 100 percent he low muitversal to muitversal.
@@marvelous971-j6m Skyfathers held back on him.The thing with Odin(Odin due to the Odinforce being excausted needed to use the Destroyer armor on Thor and Thor once beat him when he was nearly without any Odinforce but some)and Zeus is that they are weaker than Thor(Thor is created to be superior to his father) and Hercules without Odinforce and magic amplification and the amount with they amp themselves varies. Like against Hulk where Zeus choose to just beat him up but Hera stated he could just vaporize him in a blast but Zeus refused. For Odin aside from how much he holds back it varies on how well rested he is/Odinsleep which replenises the Odinforce. Being a skyfather means you get the right to have those magical amps. Thor is consistently below Sentry who is only 2.4e34 MT(AKA 1 million exploding suns) which isnt enough to cover the distance to destroy even two solar systems level(but more than enough for one) At times in classic comics Thor could show power above that level but the methods are dubious or based on Mjolnirs absorption and other amps. Heralds are solar system level and skyfathers are multiversal
Edit: Kratos is way stronger in the newest GOW game. His feats are insane, and beats Thor WHILE holding back. There’s no debate now. Kratos reacted to, blocked, countered, and killed Pollux and Castor who were using TIME for speed. Matching that with him having faster combat speed than Hermes, whom dodge light that could instantly light an infinite universe, and his speed feat with the tree in GOW4 (if used), he blitz Thor. Kratos killed the gods who killed the titans who killed the creators of all of creation in the Greek pantheon, which is a multiverse with infinite universes. He clapped them all with pure rage, decimating pretty much all of them and leaving nothing but ruin. He claps any version of Thor.
I wonder if Kratos could win against GORR THE GOD BUTCHER or maybe they'll talk about The Gods they have Slain over some Ale. And could Kratos survive Doom Eternal's Hell. Respect and keep up the epic work.
@@calebstephan2083 you do know in fiction no death is really permanent. Its like some of you just find excuse for Kratos. If he dies it means he lost. If he comes back then that's another fight. For characters who can come back to life, it'll be a never ending battle. Therefore the winner should be he who kills the other first. Regardless if the loser will come back to life.
I think Thor's H2H skills are downplayed here, considering he goes toe to toe with Hercules all the time, and Hercules is a master of wrestling and Pankration. I thought the rest was pretty fair. You could bring up Warrior Madness Thor or Rune King Thor. But all good.
Not to mention Thor once beat a dude called "Man beast" who is basically a man and wolf who is 1 million years old and has mastered all forms of martial arts.
For those on the side of kratos>base Thor, Thor has other feats that could be used to make a base Thor>kratos argument. 1.Phoenix force scaling Thor knocks out the Phoenix force. Phoenix transcends the multiverse. The Phoenix could destroy all of creation/Omniverse. Pheonix is a conceptual entitiy. It makes reality twist, collapse, and reform. Pheonix overwhelmed pre recton beyonder. Abstracts have even shown on panel bowing down to her. She is alpha and omega,chaos and order,beginning and end,life and death,the passion of creation, love and destruction. Omniverse contains universe that can be proved to hold infinite dimensions or dimensions in general. These universes are stacked upon each other, each being a thought in a bigger thought. There’s transfinite(bigger then infinity)universes. Each universe has a macro verse a reality above the universe which is then again transcended by Asgard. 2.Additional feats:Thor also shattered a root of yggdrassil which yggdrassil exists as a concept and holds space time. Thor or gods are junglian types or however you say it. Thor divinity transcends dimensions.Erik Masterson Thor had one tenth of thors power said by Loki and beat gladiator. Mystic galactus the one who absorb dormmamu said he’s the most formidable mortal he’s faced. Thor fighting the destroyer armour rendered heavens which lie above the universes asunder. The armour can tank big bangs tanked the death of its own reality and big crunches. Thor could fight surtur someone who could burn and destroy the multiverse or yggdrassil. You could also find some base Thor feats of him hurting galactus.I heavily doubt kratos can contend with other versions like old king, rune king, cosmic king, or pheonix king Thor.
None of what u said is cannon and if kratos had spinoff comics just to see how strong he gets like Thor does it would be over for Thor we literally only follow one kratos vs Thor who has like 30 different variations
Thor in comics will slap kratos Thor in mythology will either be tied with kratos or etc. Mcu Thor doesn't have good feats n will almost never have any looking at scaling in movies. So kratos slaps this version
Kratos runs into the same problem Thor does with Hulk. There is an "Infinity Well" that they tap into that may not be rivaled, but isn't clearly expressed in the MU.
Hey SethTheProgrammer if you are interested in ideas may I make a suggestion regarding powerscaling? How about a powerscaling analysis video about Ren Fuji from Dies Irae a title of Shinza Bansho also known as the Masadaverse? Ren Fuji becomes an extremely strong and powerful character compared to even the most powerful of anime verses and faces outerversal power houses thanks to an cosmological metaphysical power known Taikyoku that gives a user of it power over every aspect of the universe and transcends dimensions. It would be great to see a detailed powerscaling meta analysis about the Shinza Bansho series which is likely even one of the most powerful fictional cosmologies in fiction that would make it pretty far in the ranks of the SCP Mythos hierarchy even. And that verse is having some new extremely powerful entities entering it or on the way such as Saint Alagadda, Sefiros and Qlippoth, and SCP-7709.
agreed, though base Thor of all Thors shouldn't be that far fetched when it comes to him fighting Kratos he's still powerful but Kratos is likely on his level.
i take no issue with anything mentioned but i feel like there were more things you could have mentioned about speed for kratos. fighting hermes, dodging zeus's lightning, and fighting the sister's of fate
Of that's the case Base Thor defeating Galactus Overpowering infinite gravity holding the multiverse Reviving himself from Valhalla And defeating celestials Should be included as well
You forgot to say that after years of training as a child in the most ruthless fighting force in the world, the Spartan army, Kratos was then “trained by a God”, Aries, the God of War, for years as well. He literally was turned into death itself
@@cringekiller348 So zeus Who was clarified to have the same strength or even more than Thor was weak? The person that kratos beat to death? Just like his brothers that fell from kratos? Just like the Literal god of death? That fell also....u see were im goin wit this Cmon man
We’ll base Thor does have things like warrior madness and other very crazy cosmology feats that you could put into play for him. Universes in marvel transcend each other like a smaller thought in a bigger one and there is transfinite(bigger then infinity) universes in marvel. Using cosmic Thor would be overkill imo and even rune king or Phoenix would be bad.
Bruh kratos beat baulder who beat the world serpent who splintered the world tree which in the data books itself was said that every branch surpasses time space and infinity I'm pretty sure
Thor wins. Kratos only has feats based on the game whereas Thor has many writers and feats. For instance being impaled by the necro sword. The same necro sword to slay a celestial which is above sky father. Zeus had helped defeating the titans. Odin and Zeus are more equal to one another. Rune King Thor + Power Cosmic + thorforce makes him near unbeatable. Kratos on the other hand needed the sword that Zeus got in order to kill Zeus. Kratos needs weapons in order to beat people. Thor is all himself. His hammer isn’t his power it is merely meant to control it.
That beyond the speed of light feat for Kratos was kinda bad. There is a better one. Each Valkyrie he fought was said to travel between realms in an instant, some of witch are said to be nearly infinite. So yeah there’s your speed feat for Kratos.
And hermes the annoying god in god of war 3 delivers dreams to ever person and has infinite speed who kratos keep up with and the servants you fight in God of war 2 3 are causal light speed but kratos no diff them
even beter than that, the sisters of fates a known to have infinity speed, which he killed, so technically he's faster that twice the infinity of speed
So if Kratos has the Blade, we assume it works on Thor, we let him scale to the other Gods stamina (which makes no sense cause you can only scale him to their physical stats. How do we now he can also fight as long as Zeus???), we assume him moving inside Yggdrasil makes him as fast as ??? What? Makes no sense anyways.. So we use all of Kratos Symbolic feats and NOT his literal ACTUAL FEATS. And Thor is not allowed to use his Godblast, Anti Force, Teleportation and other Hax? So if we take the max highball Kratos and a nerfed version of Thor? Result of video? Kratos wins. LOL???
100% Thor would destroy Kratos honestly IMO not even close. That is because of how the comic version of "superheroes" are written Thor"s first appearance in a comic was in 1962 he has like 45 years on kratos in fiction. Seth does his best to try to make Kratos win but it would not even be close. For example he states Thor has an ability that can send Kratos to a realm where he could not survive, but says since Thor doesnt use it a lot that he wouldnt lol?
@@Rilosilo2 I love how Seth uses the "oh he doesn't use it often" argument for Thor, but then he gives Kratos a bunch of tools he NEVER uses after GoW3 like the Blade of Olympus. He's clearly biased lmao
@@zomebody5529 to be completely fair, its bullshit power scaling anything in the marvel universe lmao. Legit just a bunch of made up mumbo jumbo to make the characters stronger so they can keep writing them, its insanely unreasonable to say "ah yes thor wins because of these tools that defeat literally anything even in his own universe until we make up some other thing the enemy has that stops him" at least in god of war kratos power is actually power and not just the newest thing that can destroy everything. TLDR the concepts of what kratos does are consistent with the world he lives in, marvel is just infinite writing to infinitely create infinitely new infinities to destroy all of beyond infinity(because marvel writers decided more infinite than infinite was a thing???)
No version of Kratos even comes close to comic Thor. This is why using mathematics and science on different fictional universes is a waste of time. Comic Thor can destroy planets and put up a fight against multiple abstracts like Galactus and celestials. Kratos got impaled by a 2 x 4.
Kratos Isn't Weaker In The New Games, He's Just Holding Back Mimir Says So In The Novel. He Fears That If He Gives In To His Rage Then He Becomes The Monster The World Hails Him To Be. And If He Loses Control In Front Of His Son He's Afraid Loki Will Fear Him And Lose Him. It's In The Novel 👊🏾
Some of us prefer the interpetation that he is weaker cause thats more interesting and has bigger stakes and danger. There is actually waay more evidence that he is weaker
I honestly think it would end in a draw, after Kratos realizes Thor is a God who truly wants to do the right thing and is willing to die to do it. Hell if they met up before Kratos final fight against Zeus, I could see Thor offering a hand to Kratos.
@@bigruckus8664 Some notable Outerversal Thor feats/scaling: 1) Beat Demogeorge, a being stated to be beyond space and time. 2) His divinity transcends dimensions and marvel has transfinite amount of dimensions meaning stacks of infinity itself. 3) Fought an entire Army whose weapons were beyond conventional Science and this broken because Science and Physics in marvel defines infinite dimensions, the universe etc and many more op stuff which we don't have to mention. 4) Defeated Zelia a being who is twice as strong as Odin and Odin nullified Surtur's Omnidirectional flames which was going to destroy Yggdrassil and the "Otherworld" a realm in Yggdrassil that holds the entire Multiverse. 5) Odin has other Outerversal feats as his battle with Surtur also shook nine realms and even Asgard alone is beyond mortal science, comprehensions and concept of time, space and dimensionality. Odin has way more feats which honestly will take eons for me to cover so I'll conclude here. 6) Surtur at verbatim states that Thor is equal to him. 7) Thor resisted the unbinding stone which is a weapon so powerful that it can wipe out the entire Multiverse. This weapon can rewrite/erase all of reality and Thor tanked it. 8) His Godblast is enough to destroy Fabric of universe and barriers of dimesion His God blast can kill even immortal beings such as Galactus who existentially alone is unbound of dimensionality itself. Even in his weakest state he beat Hyperstorm a being one with the Hyperspace and Hyperspace in marvel is basically the crossroads which again contains all dimensions and realities. galactus can also destroy the entire multiverse as a side effect of his battle. 9) Was able to scare Ego the living planet who was stated by Galactus to be so powerful that even all Asgardians and he himself in his full powers couldn't beat. 10) Beat mangog a threat to Odin. 11)Killed Glory who was holding power of 10,000 gods even if i consider one God to be on pair with likes of baldur. He could destroy the universe easily. And Thor killed him with his god blast. Plus every single Gods are living archetypes and are metaphysical which alone makes them beyond the entire Marvel Universe which alone as I state is infinite dimensional. 12) Hurted the Chaos King who is a being stated to be literally Multi Eternity himself and he destroyed nearly the entire Marvel Multiverse and in this case when we say Multiverse it isn't referring to a single Universe but the entire Omniverse which way way beyond it. 13) Pushed the weight of 9 realms and it was basically clapping the ragnarock cycle which is the fate of all gods. So this was just a few Outerversal feats for Base Thor and there's like 40 more. I can provide scans too.
I really think if older Kratos goes full rage and is blinded by anger only that he is capable of slaughter Thor and destroy the whole Norse Pantheon in less than an hour
@@oxcencengenga195 there's alot of comic book versions of thor, i think forms that are above and stronger than cosmic thor will clap kratos but bellow that kratos stomps every form.
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A few comments to go over briefly, I don't check comments often:
Q.
Why is Zeus ~ Odin, a problem for Kratos 3 VS Kratos 4?
A.
This is only a problem if Thor is stronger or relative to Kratos in GOWR. My GOW friend wanted me to give the side that 3 might be stronger because he feels as though it is unrepresented due to the fact people assume that because Kratos got older, he got stronger (Which is true) but it's ignoring that Kratos in 3 Had all of Hope, and in 4 he only has a small shard of it meaning that growing older does not inherently make you stronger than all of Hope. The reason it's a problem if Thor is stronger than Kratos, is because we know Thor > Baldur, and if Kratos struggles or is relative to Thor while going all out in GOWR then 3 Kratos would be stronger by default. This is because Zeus ~ Odin > Thor, in which Kratos could annihilate Zeus while he was amped off of Fear to top it all off. The novel statement of Baldur being the strongest he's ever faced is also debated about and is also contradicted by Bruno's statement that Zeus ~ Odin, who would annihilate Baldur, with some thinking that this statement was made with Kratos thinking Baldur may have been the strongest mortal he's ever fought before learning he was a God. The statement of Corey could also be referring to them base to base, as Hope is an amp to Kratos, rather than how strong he is normally which is the unanswered contention people have with 3 vs 4. Not only is Kratos from 3 amped by Hope, but he is amped by Hades (Who he absorbed and loses after 3) and also has his God of War powers he absorbed from the Blade of Olympus (that he loses after 3) that makes people think base to base is the real question, as end of 3 is not just Kratos any longer but a multitude of things combined.
This is why I said, "No matter who you think is stronger." as I am not trying to objectively say one is stronger than the other but give a case for why 3 could scale to 4 pretty reasonably, even if you say 4 is stronger and was holding back in GOW4, this video only needs 3 to be able to scale to suppressed 4's feats. Which due to the Bruno statement of Zeus > Thor / Baldur, would mean that 3 Kratos can do everything Kratos did in 4 at the bare minimum. This is also important as 3 has better special tools to deal with Thor than 4 does, and makes the matchup more interesting.
Q.
Why did you say Thor isn't a good fighter?
A.
This is not what was stated, the argument is that Thor usually does not resort to his highly advanced fighting styles or abilities that often, not that he can't.
To answer a side comment as well, yes, both universes in Thor and Kratos' cases are infinite when I'm talking about them.
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It’s a shame Kratos lost all of his cool weapons he gained from killing God’s. Hades weapons that give you a army of the dead was my favorite, it was like Warframe Nekros.
Nekros*
Kratos still has hades soul absorbed
@@Blaze_the_cat_ ok I didn’t add the S, not really sure it mattered, but ok.
@@emanueldargan I know, but I was just talking about the blades, it’s possible the game nerfed them, like everything else, so it’s possible they can do far more, basically working like Sung Jin Woo powers.
Now im imagining kratos bullet jumping around
"Kratos is as strong, and as fast as he needs to be" will always be on my mind watching these
Who said that again? It was a youtuber I just forgot witch one
@@taseenk5083 Jon Ford i believe
since he scales to infinite, it’s true
Yea plus the fact that he’s canonically holding back all the time you can’t really talk about his true strength
literally applies to most fictional characters. Thor also has infinite stats.
I don’t think older kratos is weaker, I think he’s not showing his true strength yet
I agree. He's holding back
Young kratos is weaker compare to old Kratos. Cory barlog said that (apologies for the mistake in typing)
@@jahanzaibjamshed6853 no he didn’t he actually said the complete opposite I’m pretty sure it’s been a while since I watched the video
Kratos is holding back it’s implied throughout the whole game and in this one gow4 comic it’s revealed he kept his anger from rising the whole time holding himself back, though gow3 Kratos should be more powerful due to many things such as not holding back and having way better weapons.
@@atreonmaster2967 I’m pretty sure Greek gods get stronger as they get older too but I’m not sure how it’ll work on kratos since he’s a demigod
Regarding speed feats, Kratos reacted to, parried, and repelled the Light of Helios, which was stated in the game lore to have lit up the mortal realm, tartarus, hades, etc) instantaneously in a manner similar to that blast of frost Thor took.
Infinite speed
Not
Really
He s super slow
Just some guy without a Profile Picture
Low
Bike level speed
That's what kratos has
@@cringekiller348 someone didnt read my comment. Not really isnt a rebuttal
@@cringekiller348 based on what? The santa monica dudes said that Kratos in game can't be compared to Kratos in lore
Honestly Seth's versus series gets me way more excited than death battle does
Death battle is wrong 90% of the time that why
facts
Who still watches death battle lol
@@lucasduval9439 they're biased af lol
@@lucasduval9439 prove it.
Yo Seth could you do a video scaling the power of Asura from the Asura’s Wrath game? I’ve seen various people comparing Asura and Kratos and it would be pretty awesome to see who you think would win in a versus battle…
Asura is way stronger
I think he has done that already
No if so it would be linked 😉@@krankkid7394
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 why...why you winking man🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because if he did it already it would be linked by now 😉@@krankkid7394
"Classic" Thor when he's serious has a lot in his tool bag that wasn't even mentioned like his mastery over impossible storms that are exponentially more powerful than normal, anti-force blasts, energy absorption and rechanneling of that same energy one hundredfold or more, etc.
If you just relegate Thor to a brick that smashes with his hammer, his fight with Gorr was shattering planets as collateral damage while they fought in space
GoW Thor destroyed infinite universes as collatoral.
Yeah Thor would absolutely slaughter kratos
@@LAUGHINGRIOT you know I'm something of a scientist myself
Kratos still stomps
@@بشرى-ث8ذ3ش No he loses to MCU Thor
Greek gods are actually immortal and dont get weaker with age, they actually get stronger with age so i think he is definitely stronger than he was in gow 3. He has also been holding back his wild beaslty full power because of his son.
we are talking about in unverse versions not general trends
@@MrAHole-kl4cn actually no, Thor is a norse god and norse gods are not immortal and get weaker with age. And whats with the name.
@@MrAHole-kl4cn he is not totally wrong tho. Norse gods are not immortal.
Him losing all the weapons he got from the Gods would make him weaker, on top of him losing the power of Hope which was a pretty big amp as well
Took the words right out of my mouth. Was just about to say that. Kratos would only get stronger with age.
God of war 4 kratos is stronger but he just held back quite heavily
Thank you!!!!!
In gow 4 he's only using 20 percent of power
Cory Barlog the director of God Of War 4 even said that he's stronger than he was in God Of War 3.
They don't seem to understand that kratos is heavily trying not to just brute everything in his life, that his past traumatized this man heavy
Yeah but as Seth pointed out that contradicts previous statements. Cory has also said the gods are of relative strength.
It's complicated 🤣
I like how kratos almost didn’t want to fight Hercules at first it was the first time you get a glimpse of who he has become now
Well Hercules is his brother and Kratos also had nothing against him, kratos really didn’t want to kill him until Hercules gave him a reason too.
Heck, he even left Hera alone until she called Pandora the w curse word.
Hercules is a joke compared to Thor lol
@@WayneTwitch Not at all, know the characters power level before you say shit like that because Hercules is at least High Universe Level.
Tier: At least High 3-A, likely Low 2-C to 2-C
Name: Hercules
Origin: God of War
Gender: Male
Age: Unknown
Classification: Demigod, Son of Zeus, Greek Hero
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Air Manipulation (Can create shockwaves with his sheer strength), Resistance to Earthly Diseases and some forms of Magic
Attack Potency: At least High Universe level, likely Universe level+ to Low Multiverse level (Rivals the mightiest of the gods and titans in strength. Matched God of War 3 Kratos. Was implied to have temporarily replaced Atlas in holding up the heavens so the latter could retrieve the Apples of Hera)
Speed: Infinite (Can react to Helios's light, who's able to illuminate the entire underworld with his light, which is stated in numerous sources to be infinite in size)
Lifting Strength: At least Infinite (As in the original myths, Hercules held up the infinite universe so Atlas could retrieve the apples of Hera. He was also able to match Kratos in push and pull, and threw him hard enough to temporarily knock him out) likely Immeasurable (The Greek Reality in God of War was shown to contain numerous universe-sized dimensions bordering the main universe, such as Thanatos's Domain of Death, which predates even the Titans themselves, Nyx’s parallel dimension of eternal night, and Morpheus's Dream Realm, which had its own flow of time)
Striking Strength: At least High Universal, likely Universal+ to Low Multiversal (His attacks were making Kratos bleed and visibly exert effort)
Durability: At least High Universe level, likely Universe level+ to Low Multiverse level (Resisted a countless amount of direct physical attacks from Kratos throughout their fight, and even while completely trapped and helpless, it took nearly 20 blows with the Nemean Cestus to finish him off)
Nigh-Invulnerability: Hercules, like most demigods and Gods, is invulnerable to a certain extent. It takes far more to end his life than simple injuries like a human would, as Hercules takes a tremendous amount and variety of attacks from Kratos during their clash, including but not limited to cuts and severe blunt attacks with his own Nemean Cestus, with the resultant blood loss and trauma not appearing to weaken or significantly contribute to his death, which itself was via Kratos crushing his face into his skull.
Superhuman Stamina: Hercules never tires and can remain in battles for very long periods of time, as not even when facing Kratos and after taking enormous amounts of injury and blood loss did he seem to be exhausted.
Standard Equipment: The Nemean cestus
Intelligence: Lots of battle experience from completeting his 12 tasks which included but not limited to:
Slaying the Nemean Lion and bring back its skin, which was invincible against attacks.
Slay the 9-headed Hydra in the swamps of Lerna.
And Capture Cerberus, the three-headed dog guardian of the Underworld, alive and bring him back.
Dude literally held up the infinite Universe for Atlas. He’s no joke.
@@Zoxxies zzz copy pasted from vsbattle wiki the only thing you should use it for is for looking at feats
I need Kratos vs Asura. East vs West! Both guys too angry to die. I would love that.
This would be sick!
They’re similar but in terms of who would win it’s easily Kratos, as Asura mostly ranges from solar system and higher
Asura stomps
@@mephisto........7746 woah woah slow down, I wouldn’t say he can’t beat Kratos but he does not stomp
@@atreonmaster2967 you're crazy if you actually think that Kratos wins against Asura
Personally always loved Rune King Thor, and it feels like a more deserved powerup than just getting part of The Power Cosmic from Galactus. Also he's, as far as I'm aware, far more powerful.
Rune King Thor is still the strongest since he was aware that he was in a comic I’m pretty sure
@@lxfcrt4971 No he wasn't. Cosmic King Thor>>all versions of thor combined. Also Thor took Galactus's power, he was never Galactus's lackey
Ganesh
Nah
Rune king
Thor is outversal
@@1973Ganesh no even if he wasn’t aware he was in a comic his power just outranks cosmic Thor anyway
@@lxfcrt4971 He wasn't aware. He was just omniscient
Was waiting for the mention of Cosmic King Thor 😂 Love you Kratos, but RIP.
Also the godblast typically leaves Thor weakened and can even destroy mjolnr when used. Using it may actually put him at the disadvantage.
If he uses it, it one shots Kratos.
@@dakotatrue12 he already stated that Kratos can survive the attack via resurrection
@@kylejones5518 he won’t resurrect instantly lmao he loses gg
@@oxcencengenga195 Exactly. Even Seth said so.
Thor doesn't need to use all of his life force. Half of his lifeforce is enough to kill Kratos. So mjolnir won't break
I think that nowdays Thor would wreck Kratos. With the Odin Force he's stated to be one of the few beings capable to kill the Phoneix.
You do know that Greek gods get stronger as they age ( confirmed by cory barlog ) which means that present kratos is stronger then kratos that defeated zeus!!. And kratos lifted the the temple in gow 4. Which technically means that kratos has infinite strength!!!!!!
@@glaxticalien8020 Kid Thor lifted infinite pages
@@Slyfer80631 kratos can too
@@glaxticalien8020 Yeah sure he can.
@@glaxticalien8020 Clearly thats fake news considering Kratos killed Zeus. Thor is the most powerful god there ever has been Thor is legit 10 x stronger then Kratos but Thor is a idiot and Kratos is smart and also Thor has endless strength and stamina Bulder also almost killed kratos and bulter a kid compared to Thor
I mean in terms of kratos stamina he basically completes everything in god of war 2 and 3 non stop. He’s always running and always fighting, or always climbing every step of the way. Plus he was fighting god one after the other with more or less no real break in between.
You could say that for every video game in existence that's not a real feat, that's just your headcanon
@@zomebody5529 but he correct in a sense
ok then kratos dies from normal soldiers from the game ??it means he is a piece of cake for thor??
I'm surprised Seth didn't brought up the God Butcher which Thor (even though he needed help from other versions of him) did beat but I wasn't surprised by the outcome... much. COSMIC KING THOR?! WTF DID THAT COME FROM?! But you know what, I'm not fully surprised. Comics do crazy stuff all the time! Nice video!
Rune king thor is even stronger :) imagine
Cosmic King Thor basically took over as the new All-Father of Asgard as Odin is sort of retired. It's Donny Cates writing this version of Thor (after Jason Aaron's super long Thor run), so this version of Thor is pretty hax for modern comic versions of Thor.
Cosmic King aka Herald of None
Galactus would be just some primordial in gow
@@YahMum69 no he isn't
Another factor that needs to be brought up to is the difference in Motivation and Drive between both GOW3 and the new God of War.
Whereas Kratos in God of War 3 was a full blood-thirsted rage monster, Old Man Kratos is constantly attempting to keep his rage in check and It’s even implied heavily that he’s holding back throughout the entire story, even with the Balder fights.
It's really irrelevant. The only reason this comparison even seems remotely fair is because he's nerfing tf out of Thor. I'm an old man Kratos fanboi, but Thor literally becomes the most powerful being in the universe as the Rune King.
But we are talking about Base comic Thor. And true rkt would kill kratos, I'm waiting until they make the last gow game in whatever mythology to see his true power.
Personally based on what cory stated, and how God's generally get stronger as they age in game, i assume that old Kratos + shard of hope would be able to beat his god of war 3 self. But again that would be ignoring the contradiction that even Cory has stated the gods in realms are of relatively same power. That would either mean it's just a retcon that happened if Thor is stronger than Zeus, or that Cory was talking about Gow3 Kratos without awakening hope. Another question i have is what about GOW god Kratos who had God power + hope? How strong is that beast?
Strong enough to Damage and Destroy any Concept in Existence... that's how Strong. With Hope, he Transcends every Infinity, Transcends every Concept (which makes him have Power over all Concepts), plus he has Infinite Power as well and way more Haxes, such as ShapeShifting (growing into The Size of a God like how Zeus did in GoW 2), he also has Hax-Resistance, such as Resistance to Conceptual and Physical Existence Erasure (when Fear Zeus Broke Kratos' Neck and Tried to Conceptually and Physically Erase Kratos right before Kratos Activated The Power of Hope), having PURE HOPE, which Bruno Velasquez Stated it being a Platonic Concept, not just some Ordinary Concept. So yeah... PRRRRETTY DAMN POWERFUL if you do some Research about it and talk to The Devs about it too.
For me old kratos is stronger but younger kratos is more dangerous.
While Gods do usually get stronger with Age. Kratos has lost so many powerful weapons, gear and abilities between GOW3 and GOW4 so it wouldn't surprise me if he's weaker than his former self or if he's about the same level of power with the added strength+ leviathan axe countering the loss of the weapons/abilities.
@@OK-yy6qz tbh Kratos doesn't need those weapons to kill a god. He killed Ares without his blades. But again that's why this thing is so complicated if one wants to go by the director and novels, we have to ignore the contradictions 😂😂
The real question is how much destruction would god Kratos + PoH cause?
@@carrot7215 yes Kratos is powerful even without weapons that doesn't mean the weapon's don't amp him though.
Each weapon is also relative to the God that was originally using it so these weapons are insanely powerful.
At the very least the weapons would give him a ton of Hax which also makes him powerful in a sense. This also shows in the Gameplay GOW4 Kratos clearly does more damage to his opponent but his more limited arsenal makes his opponent just as hard to kill as they were in the previous games
About Thor's God-Blast, this attack is specifically deadly for any God even Ego mentions he is terrified of the God-Blast because it would kill him. After the fight with Baldur Kratos was heavily breathing meaning his stamina is and regeneration is not as good as it once was, so GOW 3 Kratos will be superior since he is younger. While TBOO (the blade of olympus) can drain powers Thor too has shown to absorb too as seen with his fight with Glory. Thor has shown he can negate mystical powers like cutting off the connection between Juggernaut and Cyttorak. This could go either way depending on what you allow and what you dont, TBH Thor's God-Blast alone is enough since it is specifically deadly to any God.
Kratos is not a God tho.
@@jjohnson6382 being the son of Zeus would say otherwise, he even says he is in the recent GOW.
J Johnson
I was born a God
So were you- kratos to boi
Hes not a full god though. His mother is human, right?
@@jjohnson6382 Cory Stated in a 102 Question Interview, that Kratos is a Full God and that he's Immortal.
He always puts in work for his videos. Even if you disagree, he earned a like on research time alone.
He literally said he took the scaling from Kratos and Drip-nos 💀💀What research time?
Minor correction about Cosmic King Thor: He took the Power Cosmic from Galactus. He literally stated he took it. Also, glad to see you didn't break out the big guns like Phoenix King Thor or Rune King Thor lol. Those I think are no diff wins over Kratos. But I like the throwback to God Blast. Another feat he, Thor, rarely uses, AntiForce which is almost as powerful as the Godblast.
Phœnix kind and rune king Thor technically aren’t “canon” do you can’t really use them for scaling
@@rinnerebirth1171 Rune King Thor is 100% cannon. Phoenix King Thor isn't technically cannon because it's a future possibility. However, Rune King Thor is absolutely cannon. That was literally him ending Ragnarok the cycle and it still holds in the continuity. So you can use him. And he claps Kratos no diff.
@@gokijin Rune King is still weaker than Cosmic King tho
@@gokijin Kratos with the power of hope beats rune king thor no diff he can overcome anything so kratos still wins base and most powerful versions
@@gohanblanco5641 I'd debate that one with you. Rune King Thor was rewriting reality as he walked. His subconscious stopped Mangog, a charging, raging, Mangog...without even thinking about it. And then destroyed him with the wave of his hand. TWSAIS were Beyonders, but then someone mentioned they were from the realm of The One Above All from his House of Ideas.
I'd say Rune King Thor is easily more powerful than any other version still.
Thor: stalemates the world serpent
Baldur: claps the world serpent in a few punches
Kratos: Claps baldur
I think balder caught the world serpent off guard so that's why he knocked it out. Thor in ragnarok punched the serpent back in time.
@@brandonspringfield2861 when I made that post GOWR wasn’t even released
@@mxnghanclan ik I was just stating it, but when thor stalemated the world serpent was aware and ready overall, when baldur beat him he sneak attacked him so it was easier to win. Thor out classes baldur in brute strength and power but baldur is the better hand to hand combatant.
It's me from the future yes yes he can beat Thor
@@brandonspringfield2861 Baldur when he’s immortal outclasses anyone
These videos really make you realize how cracked to the point of unfairness marvel comics is.
Im a marvel comic fan and this is so true
Baseline Thor has shown consistent infinite/trans infinite multiverse feats, with the occasional outlier low outerversal feats. Things like
-killing demogorge, an actual eternity level being that was the Marvel concept of eternity that eats other gods as sustenance (clarified by the writer as he specifies that demogorge was meant to be the Marvel multiverse’s incarnation of the concept of eternity)
- Thor one shoted King Amatsu, who at the time was able to destroy almost 99% of the trans infinite Marvel Multiverse with his power
-Gorr the god butcher states that Thor is the strongest bring he has ever faced up until that point, and he’d actually killed a celestial himself
- Thor has knocked out the Sentry with just one strike after getting bum rushed by him
-Thor knocked over and severally wounded a mid-fed Galactus, shattering his helmet and making him scream from the pain. This is during Thor’s continuing fight with The Silver Surfer, who he blitzes past to do this
-Thor tanks a hit from the unbinding stone, which if he didn’t would have destroyed the trans infinite multiverse
And these are just a handful of crazy things. All base level, no Thorforce, no runes, just baseline Thor. He’s an absolute monster who holds back most of the time because he’d literally destroy the Earth if he didn’t. Now imagine him actually being given his strongest canon forms and you start to get a better picture of just how scary of a character Thor really is.
It’s hard to justify Kratos coming out on top if we’re actually giving Thor all his continuity feats. Which since Marvel does soft reboots of its characters rather than the hard reboot line at DC, then a good majority of his stories that don’t branch off into alternative timelines (like the reign Thor storyline) can and are valid to use. Though with roundabout 70 years and thousands of comics, you’re bound to find ludicrous stuff all over a character’s continuity.
I would say you definitely downplayed the cosmology, as you mentioned universes in marvel as if they were just Universal, I'd argue it's more consistent that they scale way higher. Great video regardless.
You know seth the programmer deserves more attention, he does his research and scales character properly without being bias
He scales Luffy as FTL so no
@@BakaryD how u know
@@BakaryD Seth doesn't even watch or read OP LOL. He says that like everytime he streams
He litrealy says super man beats goku and dragon ball is his favourite anime
@@BakaryD luffy is easily MFTL
One of the things that, to me, always puts Kratos at an advantage, is to find the weakness in his enemies.
He's faced hordes of oddly powered foes and always comes out on top because, not only can he survive their onslaught, but he finds their weaknesses and exploits it. Sure he's brutal and tenacious. But his unyielding resourcefulness is what really makes him THE God of War.
The same can be said for thor
@@alejandro9829 Comic Thor, maybe. Norse Thor? The lad is legit a brute.
Yeah, Kratos went against stronger foes than him in the first two games, he’s extremely intelligent when fighting
@@crackalackin3877 so did thor in his first comics what's the point
@@alejandro9829 what’s the point of your reply? I’m just agreeing with them.
When you get people this powerful it stops being fun. 'He has the power to remove the concept of hope.' Like come on
I know how you feel. But Thor is just to badass
Same here. I know comic, games, movies are supposed to just be entertainment but then it gets to the point where it seems like a five year old write this stuff.
Kratos slaps around base Thor. But I agree, King Thor is a completely different monster.
Nah
@@LaffyWaffy89 be grateful kratos is nerfed in games so it could be interesting
@@emanueldargan the other versions of Thor are still too strong
Unnerfed kratos by 3% plz lol then he can fights rune king Thor lol 😂 👌🏼😎🤟🏼
Lmfao nah marvel heavy hitters hit HEAVY
Kratos' speed while travelling the world tree can't be ascribed to his physical feats because that's the magic of the place itself. He was travelling with his son at the same time who has no such kratos speed. It is safe to say though that he is fast enough for thors speed not to matter on its own as kratos is in the god killing business.
Kratos matched and beat the Valkyries in speed, and they literally fly from one realm to the other along the branches of Ygdrassil, which are infinite
@@bigjuice2623 no they did not that's headcanon
Not how it works, for eg if ur fighting in the iss that doesn’t mean ur as fast as the iss itself
@@defintlynoob4263 In God of Wat 2018, you literally fight the valkyries head on in an arena. Just take the main Valkyrie, you literally fight her in Midgard after killing all other valkyries. You basically fight her on earth. The valkyrie isnt carrying Kratos on her back, neither are they fighting along the branches of Ygdrassil. Kratos is basically fighting an impossibly fast being on earth and manages to win. Your ISS analogy makes no sense here.
there is a difference between travelling speed and fighting speed..valkaries were not just running in that fight it was just a normal fight which at least human eyes could react to stop speaking nonsense@@bigjuice2623
Base thor didnt need to become warrior madness thor will solo whole gow verse lmao
Imo Kratos would curb stomp MCU Thor.
But, Comic Thor would curb stomp Kratos.
I'm a big fan of both characters, that's just my take.
MCU Thor is a crybaby infant compared to anything comic related lol
Standard Thor would lose badly to kratos but herald king Thor is a better match
He downplayed comic thor hard in this one just by cosmology alone let alone his actual feats and scaling and hax resistances
@@zether720 Mental health is no crybaby infant my G, they did mcu Thor hella dirty by treating his mental health like utter shit.
comics thor solos. even in base.
My enjoyment is immeasurable ❤
Just like their speed
There's honestly no way to properly scale this fight because comics are highly inconsistent in terms of power level. It's whatever the writer wants it to be. Sometimes Thor can even be hurt by bullets, and other times, he can destroy planets with one swing of his hammer. Thor's power scaling is equivalent to rolling a dice in a D&D game.
Like how kratos can be hurt by humans in gameplay and we almost never see anything I've mountain level happening
@@weafy6007 that’s why we say Lore Kratos, because why would we use gameplay Kratos? The creators of the game said themselves that no one would play a game where there’s no challenge, where every person you run into you one tap. Wouldn’t be a fun game. Comics has no excuse to be inconsistent while a game does
@@thekidnasa1126 it makes no sense if gameplay isn't reflected with lore because that would mean every time we saw kratos struggle with something he was holding back which is stupid when he's on the verge of dying
EXACTLY!!! THANK YOU !!! And @Weafy exactly that’s why these debates shouldn’t be taken seriously.
@@thekidnasa1126 this is also true.
Kratos: You challenge me mortal. A GOD OF OLYMPUS!!!
Poseidon: Hey that's my line
Kratos: SHUT UP
Thor: Who are you talking to?
He is not a god of Olympus.Keep clinging to Cory Barlog you shills
@@newhybrid101 homie has a gow pfp now, RIP
Hey just wanted to mention that mathematically speaking, you can in theory fit infinite subdivisions into a finite space. Think of infinite series that converge. Split a bloc of paper into 1/2 then 1/4 and so on and you get an infinite pages book. So the book with infinite pages can have a finite volume and weight.
This was a fun vid, I liked how the two seemed to counter each other in terms of power and equipment. Up until cosmic king Thor that is
Seths arguement about the godblast was the only problem I had. So what if he didn't know that Kratos is a concept, he would still kill him
@@1973Ganesh either way, wether Thor or Kratos wins this is a pretty fun fight
holy shit, did not expect him to predict the opening of the new game
Personally I would be more interested on a power scaling assessment of Dante from Devil May Cry and him vs Kratos than just another Kratos vs Thanos, but Both are Cool!
That would be awesome
I absolutely love dmc and Dante but he would get absolutely destroyed by Kratos. Dante has no feats anywhere near flipping a multiverse spanning tree.
3:32 actually the feat you are referring to takes place in the future of the game’s canon timeline. The splintering of the Yggdrasil sent Jormangundr back in time before his own birth, and thus Thor would be older and possibly stronger than he is in GOW 2018. Just wanted to clear that up. Great video!
The only gods that grow in power with age are the Greek gods. It's unlikely the norse gods are immortal like the greek ones were.
@@DodgeMyViper don't Greek god's get stronger depending on how much worship they get from mortals?
Dodge my vioer
That's false
Norse gods are timeless
And get stronger with
Age
Greeks don't
@@cringekiller348 I study mythologies as a past time. Norse age slower if they eat the apples of idunn. Norse gods have a doomsday for christ sake. Greek gods are virtually immortal in actual mythology. Your sources are "trust me bro i know it" mine are going to be linked in a few minutes.
@@irohied1266 Yes, that is the case in other mythologies as well. (Not just in the gow verse)
Would you think that mimir might of been intimidated by kratos which is why he said he wouldn’t know who would win between kratos and Thor?
Mimir said he doesnt know because he doesnt know.
Out of universe Thor is meant to be the big boss for Kratos we are waiting for so we cant get a statement like "Yeah Thor is tough but your dad got this"
You're forgetting that mimir insults kratos and makes fun of him several times in the games so no, mimir was being legit with that statement.
10:55 Seth had to make sure he wouldn’t ever lose to anyone 😂💯
It's weird, in the Avengers guide I have it's stated that the Godblast can even kill immortals. Going by that, I question whether or not Kratos could really resurrect from being destroyed by it. But I don't think it's consistently shown to do that.
This video should be titled, “Loopholes Kratos Can Use to Beat Marvel Comics Thor”. Love both characters dearly, but Thor has performed feats which are just inconceivable in the world of GOW. The lore is more fleshed out and his displays are conceptually more grandiose than anything we’ve seen Kratos experience.
You missed the part where he said he is using base thor lol. He specifically stated what version of Thor he is using. He said any other version like classic, cosmic Thor etc would beat kratos.
Considering Kratos has Multiversal feats and has defeated omnipotent beings before im not too sure about that.
@@OK-yy6qz kratos is debatable with any god by the simple fact his power of hope is just straight up broken
@@OK-yy6qz which multiversal feat? The strongest foe (game wise not actual lore) was Zeus. In game, the gods have hardly shown enough power to pull off planetary destroying feats meanwhile Thor has gone up against deities that could easily destroy planets and much more.
Kratos has a shot against base line thor but he gets stomped by basically any other incarnation.
@@user-ey4ut9uc8w in game Thor Splintered the God tree in his fight with the serpent. Same serpent that got destroyed by Baldur.
In game Kratos have fought opponents that can destroy both the Elysium and Tartarus both stated to be infinite.
In game his fight with Baldur was damaging all the realms.
In game he defeated the sisters of fate who are straight up omnipotent and both know and dictate what will happen.
In game he defeated the very consept of fear when Zeus was using it.
In game he kills Helios and the sun stopped existing.
Also why not include lore? The lore exists for a reason and can give you better feats/understanding of the opponents than the game
Nice.
Also if you think about it, just a single cyclops from the GoW franchise could power scale to be a threat to put entire world if Kratos really is this fast and strong. After all, those monsters do *hurt* him.
Addendum: I was apparently misunderstanding the situation
Gameplay and lore aren't the same
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 yep, creators have said that the only reason he struggles with trolls who are building level is for gameplay only and that his true feats are from novels and statements
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023
Damn.
Kratos in gameplay is hurt by humans. That's for pure gameplay purposes because he can't only fight Gods and the game would be boring if the other threats couldn't even hurt him. Very few Monsters aside from the Gods are remotely as powerful as Kratos.
In lore
Kratos is still planetary
Kratos didn't even
Destroy Greece properly lol
Scandanavia
Was in perfect condition
Seth is casually swapping hands with comic Odin
So Kratos can die, but he'd only go to Hades because of where he's from and he'd just climb out again. Not to mention, he's not only a god, but the embodiment of a concept itself, war. If you want speed feats, he's got the boots of Hermes, as well as the speed and reaction time of a God of Olympus. It's simply slowed down so we can play and understand what's going on in the game. An example of that is when he takes the powers of the titans. Not only did he literally rip apart an entire pantheon of creationists gods with his bare hands, but then proceeded to kill Kronos himself... it makes no sense, but essentially was killing time, lol
No he wasn't lol
Those are two different Titans
And Gow universe is super weak in
General
Thor bitchslaps kratos
@@cringekiller348 it’s not though, the Titans defeated the beings that created the universe then got defeated by the Gods of Olympus who then got slaughtered by Kratos. Hell, Kratos has killed some of the Titans also. Dude is op
@@cringekiller348 bruh I see your pfp dude just accept it man💀
The GOW versions of the Greek Gods were heavily nerfed. If they were the true full power mythology Gods there would only be one GOW and it would be like 10 seconds long because Kratos would have been Molly wopped by the first God e fought.
Hades is dead tho
I think if GoW4 Kratos had every weapon from every GoW game(since he is able to carry multiple weapons) and every accessory from the GoW games, he would fuck damn near everyone up.
I saw this one going similar to Thor vs Hercules. Can kratos knock mljonir from Thor's hand. Great vid. My opinion was when I played through GOW4 kratos was holding back a lot considering he kept his rage in check and didn't use most his godly abilities. And technically rivaled all father status. But we will see cosmic king Thor takes the win fair enough.
Thor
Did defeat
Hercules without his hammer
Also
Marvel s Hercules can solo
The
Gow universe
@@cringekiller348 doubt the last part
Eric
Infante
Chaos war Hercules
Would like to have a word
@@cringekiller348 How and Why is this even a feat? As if Kratos didn’t do the same then took his gauntlets and beat him with them. Like what
@@cringekiller348 lol well comics always take it too far it'd almost pointless to make unique heroes when they all end up scaling to do the same shit in a different twist and then they're so OP but how do they still lose to others?
I was literally just thinking I hope seth made a video about this Im so glad I found this
I think an interesting question is whether or not kratos still has all of the weapons and powers he obtained from killing all the Greek gods as well as when different titans and gods granted him power.
Seth I got so much respect for the work you do with these videos. Bravo my guy👏🏽. You always put in quality thorough content
Mimir: " He fears nothing, not not death. He'll fight anyone or anything"
Me: Understatement of the year
*not even death. My bad
Always a nice day when you upload I don’t powerscale or debate but it’s nice listening to this and answering my questions
Hang on a minute, Kratos moving so fast he can move through time is only based on him being able to traverse yggdrasil? Isn't that something completely useless in battle and he can't move in incredible speeds in any other way?
He can't move fast asf, but he can fight fast asf. Many of Kratos' enemies tried to lock him in time and it never worked. He also fought against beings that could cross infinite dimensions instantly, and scales to beings that existed before time and space were a thing.
@@tomchuur6431 Pretty sure kratos is fast asf, like someone else in the comments said. Kratos parried and repelled helios light whilst being like 3 meters away from him, which is also said to light up all of reality instantaneously. (tartarus, mortal realm, hades etc etc..)
@@tomchuur6431 Also if we want to count it, kratos also has the boots of hermes
@@MEME_ENTHUSIASTZ Kratos can fight fast asf. But he can't run fast asf. He's definitely faster than normal, but he's not as fast as Hermes, Zeus or Valkyries.
@@tomchuur6431 I'd disagree with you, since like I said he took herme's boots. So if we assume that hermes speed originates from his boots then kratos has hermes speed.
In a Conventional, Random Encounter fight Base Thor beats kratos as he massively scales above Kratos in AP, better speed feats and abilities
Kratos be like: Ahh, look at little Odin junior. Gonna cry?
Seth basically said Kratos would win DEPENDING on certain conditions we allow for Kratos. He even said the sentence “if we assume that Kratos can...” so it’s all conditional against Based Thor.
*Thor using godblast that almost erase kratos from existence*
THOR : " stings doesnt it"
@@thereaper6061 lol.
*Atreus sees his father destroyed:* I miss the part where this is my problem
Indra: Looks like bootleg Indra. You can try all you want but you can never be me. Gonna cry?
Phoenix J
Thor bitchslaps indra
Really liked this very fair analysis
I like when you scale more western characters. Just waiting on you to jump on the Invincible hype when future seasons blow the first one out of the water.
Kratos without weapons is simply unkillable , how can you beat Kratos ? Even without his rage he is cursed and can’t stay dead , he tried so many times in so many different ways and he can’t die , Thor is stronger on most versions of him but Kratos is gotta come back stronger and kill him in the end because Kratos has killed a whole pantheon himself , Thor is just one god in his pantheon
No he can die
@Frauldo Explains bro I was talking about kratos lol I wasn't talking about thor I know about Ragnarok the die then they reincarnate the cycle repeats
Actually Thor can die. He is long lived, he is brought back due to continuity bs and multiverse. But he canon can die and stay dead, he is fated to die in Ragnarok too. Kratos is true god immortal and literally been said by the authors and directors he is holding back on the last game and when he fought against gods they are technically moving beyond time and space, but its portraid as is in the game because its a a game, but he says that the fight go beyond reality.
ComicBook/Marvel Thor is on a whole different level.
Kratos would not stand a chance.
Simple examples, Kratos cannot breath in space, fly or even withstand a blast of the Sun. All ComicBook Thor could do and live.
Kratos can breathe in space he was able to breathe in the outer space of Ares. He could fly with Icarus wings and took the blast of Helios who’s stated to embody the sun and literally is the sun. Apollo also stated he can heat hotter than the sun.
When Seth blows your back out 4 days before Christmas 🎅🏾
"Kratos' bare hands can pretty much beat up concepts"
Thor stomps regardless
I would disagree that thor would lose entirely. Here is why, on the thortalk channel. A video goes into depth of Thor's fighting skill and prowess of about a millennia at minimum. Also we gotta consider warrior madness Thor. He would be concentrated on only Kratos with no one else to be a distraction. Base Thor feats as previously stated are at galaxy levels or universal levels. Warrior madness Thor will be 10x the amount
Precisely
Thor has fought skyfather level charcters a lot of times and had hurt them or killed them. When thor is going 100 percent he low muitversal to muitversal.
@@marvelous971-j6m exactly. When he has the Thorforce its unbelievable
He not beating kratos, kratos beat zues level characters. Thor can only dream of that.
@@marvelous971-j6m Skyfathers held back on him.The thing with Odin(Odin due to the Odinforce being excausted needed to use the Destroyer armor on Thor and Thor once beat him when he was nearly without any Odinforce but some)and Zeus is that they are weaker than Thor(Thor is created to be superior to his father) and Hercules without Odinforce and magic amplification and the amount with they amp themselves varies.
Like against Hulk where Zeus choose to just beat him up but Hera stated he could just vaporize him in a blast but Zeus refused.
For Odin aside from how much he holds back it varies on how well rested he is/Odinsleep which replenises the Odinforce.
Being a skyfather means you get the right to have those magical amps.
Thor is consistently below Sentry who is only 2.4e34 MT(AKA 1 million exploding suns) which isnt enough to cover the distance to destroy even two solar systems level(but more than enough for one)
At times in classic comics Thor could show power above that level but the methods are dubious or based on Mjolnirs absorption and other amps.
Heralds are solar system level and skyfathers are multiversal
Battle of the chads
I love both, but Comic thor I kinda enjoy more.
RUclips must like you this video was in my suggested for days.
Edit: Kratos is way stronger in the newest GOW game. His feats are insane, and beats Thor WHILE holding back. There’s no debate now.
Kratos reacted to, blocked, countered, and killed Pollux and Castor who were using TIME for speed.
Matching that with him having faster combat speed than Hermes, whom dodge light that could instantly light an infinite universe, and his speed feat with the tree in GOW4 (if used), he blitz Thor.
Kratos killed the gods who killed the titans who killed the creators of all of creation in the Greek pantheon, which is a multiverse with infinite universes.
He clapped them all with pure rage, decimating pretty much all of them and leaving nothing but ruin. He claps any version of Thor.
Massive Cap, Rune King Thor or hell Current Thor claps Current Kratos with ease.
You can't just compare Thor GOW and Thor MArvel Comics it's a huge difference
Lmao man thinks GOW Thor is comparable to Marvel Thor and would clap any version of Thor when base Thor would clap Kratos 🤣🤣🤣
I wonder if Kratos could win against GORR THE GOD BUTCHER or maybe they'll talk about The Gods they have Slain over some Ale.
And could Kratos survive Doom Eternal's Hell.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
So, if Kratos has to come back from the dead, doesn't that mean Thor already won? He killed Kratos.
It’s not about who dies first it’s about who would win in a fight
@@kor3407 well, how do you define winning a fight?
@@mohammadidris5774 being killed PERMANENTLY.
@@calebstephan2083 you do know in fiction no death is really permanent. Its like some of you just find excuse for Kratos. If he dies it means he lost. If he comes back then that's another fight. For characters who can come back to life, it'll be a never ending battle. Therefore the winner should be he who kills the other first. Regardless if the loser will come back to life.
Died means he lost but if kratos survive he can get a rematch though.
base spidey one shots comp gaming
I think Thor's H2H skills are downplayed here, considering he goes toe to toe with Hercules all the time, and Hercules is a master of wrestling and Pankration. I thought the rest was pretty fair. You could bring up Warrior Madness Thor or Rune King Thor. But all good.
Not to mention Thor once beat a dude called "Man beast" who is basically a man and wolf who is 1 million years old and has mastered all forms of martial arts.
Well, if we're talking about comic book Thor, obviously Thor stomps. But if its the MCU Thor version, Thor would get abosultely stomped.
Lol ofc
Every comic character is like decillion times stronger than the movie versions
In god of war fallen god comic, kratos bash a giant monster with a single punch, which is way more cosmic then the god of war games
@@theplatformerguy4979 ?
@@theplatformerguy4979 Thor destroys planets in the comics and even more shit.
@@nothisispatrick5691he will die in ragnarok
For those on the side of kratos>base Thor, Thor has other feats that could be used to make a base Thor>kratos argument.
1.Phoenix force scaling
Thor knocks out the Phoenix force. Phoenix transcends the multiverse. The Phoenix could destroy all of creation/Omniverse. Pheonix is a conceptual entitiy. It makes reality twist, collapse, and reform. Pheonix overwhelmed pre recton beyonder. Abstracts have even shown on panel bowing down to her. She is alpha and omega,chaos and order,beginning and end,life and death,the passion of creation, love and destruction.
Omniverse contains universe that can be proved to hold infinite dimensions or dimensions in general. These universes are stacked upon each other, each being a thought in a bigger thought. There’s transfinite(bigger then infinity)universes. Each universe has a macro verse a reality above the universe which is then again transcended by Asgard.
2.Additional feats:Thor also shattered a root of yggdrassil which yggdrassil exists as a concept and holds space time. Thor or gods are junglian types or however you say it. Thor divinity transcends dimensions.Erik Masterson Thor had one tenth of thors power said by Loki and beat gladiator. Mystic galactus the one who absorb dormmamu said he’s the most formidable mortal he’s faced. Thor fighting the destroyer armour rendered heavens which lie above the universes asunder. The armour can tank big bangs tanked the death of its own reality and big crunches. Thor could fight surtur someone who could burn and destroy the multiverse or yggdrassil. You could also find some base Thor feats of him hurting
galactus.I heavily doubt kratos can contend with other versions like old king, rune king, cosmic king, or pheonix king Thor.
None of what u said is cannon and if kratos had spinoff comics just to see how strong he gets like Thor does it would be over for Thor we literally only follow one kratos vs Thor who has like 30 different variations
@@lucasduval9439 it is all canon
Godblast Thor would destroy Kratos. It kills even immortals
Scans or some kind of prove for anything said here?
@@pjfire9099 you can’t send scans on youtube
Epic as always Seth never misses
The god of thunder vs the guy who killed his father who was the god of thunder.
Tough debate.
Don't forget that Zeus was also the sky-father, and was more comparable to Odin.
God
Of thunder
Who killed abstract s
Vs
A guy who killed a weakened
Planetary god
Bro they're not the same god of thunder
Thor in comics will slap kratos
Thor in mythology will either be tied with kratos or etc.
Mcu Thor doesn't have good feats n will almost never have any looking at scaling in movies. So kratos slaps this version
Nope normal thor gets beaten by kratos pretty easily but there’s other versions of Thor that can solo gow like rune king Thor, etc
@@dennisquiah7 oh yea def base Thor gets clapped but if we're talking about all the versions after base
@@dennisquiah7 sorry but no base Thor actually solos gow
@@thecouncil1015 we talking about comics or actual mythology
@@suda_lifts comics, base thor lowballed scales higher than wanked kratos
Kratos runs into the same problem Thor does with Hulk. There is an "Infinity Well" that they tap into that may not be rivaled, but isn't clearly expressed in the MU.
SETH! DESTROY MY ENEMIES AND MY LIFE, IS YOURS!*get's blades of subscription
Kratos survived so many things and... I cant imagine Kratos lose to a Hammer such as Thor's
Hey SethTheProgrammer if you are interested in ideas may I make a suggestion regarding powerscaling?
How about a powerscaling analysis video about Ren Fuji from Dies Irae a title of Shinza Bansho also known as the Masadaverse?
Ren Fuji becomes an extremely strong and powerful character compared to even the most powerful of anime verses and faces outerversal power houses thanks to an cosmological metaphysical power known Taikyoku that gives a user of it power over every aspect of the universe and transcends dimensions. It would be great to see a detailed powerscaling meta analysis about the Shinza Bansho series which is likely even one of the most powerful fictional cosmologies in fiction that would make it pretty far in the ranks of the SCP Mythos hierarchy even.
And that verse is having some new extremely powerful entities entering it or on the way such as Saint Alagadda, Sefiros and Qlippoth, and SCP-7709.
sorry, theres no infinite outerversal hierarchy in dies irae or anything affiliated to that. There's not even anything suggesting outerversal.
Rune King Thor, Phoenix King Thor, Cosmic Thor And many other versions of thor can defeat Kratos easily and you downplayed base thor
I think we all agree tgat if we use any power up for thor he solos all of god of war
agreed, though base Thor of all Thors shouldn't be that far fetched when it comes to him fighting Kratos he's still powerful but Kratos is likely on his level.
Why are you stating the obvious like duhhh that Thor would beat a a regular kratos but give kratos the same power Thor is loosing 100%
@@S-W1iper even regular Thor will destroy kratos
@@mephisto........7746 I got a good one for you bro, Jean grays, dark phoenix or Wanda maximoff Scarlett witch, I got Jean grey all day
Death Battle should hire this man.
i take no issue with anything mentioned but i feel like there were more things you could have mentioned about speed for kratos. fighting hermes, dodging zeus's lightning, and fighting the sister's of fate
He has on his other video
Of that's the case
Base
Thor defeating Galactus
Overpowering infinite gravity
holding the multiverse
Reviving himself from Valhalla
And defeating celestials
Should be included as well
@@cringekiller348 i never said it shouldn't. why so salty bro.
Lil racoon
I'm not salty
I just said
These should be included as well
Don't cry
@@lilracc00n bruh this Selmon dude speaking in hip/hop bars, ie
“Thor is gonna
Stomp Kratos
With a
Single attack”
You forgot to say that after years of training as a child in the most ruthless fighting force in the world, the Spartan army, Kratos was then “trained by a God”, Aries, the God of War, for years as well. He literally was turned into death itself
Didn’t he kill Thanatos who is literally the God of Death 💀
@@thekidnasa1126 yes. Kratos is a God and Titan killer while Thor is just a cog in the pantheon machine in Kratos’ eventually way
@@TheTribute410 not really gow universe is weak in general
@@cringekiller348 lol how
@@cringekiller348 So zeus Who was clarified to have the same strength or even more than Thor was weak? The person that kratos beat to death? Just like his brothers that fell from kratos? Just like the Literal god of death? That fell also....u see were im goin wit this Cmon man
We’ll base Thor does have things like warrior madness and other very crazy cosmology feats that you could put into play for him. Universes in marvel transcend each other like a smaller thought in a bigger one and there is transfinite(bigger then infinity) universes in marvel. Using cosmic Thor would be overkill imo and even rune king or Phoenix would be bad.
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@Asmodeus Guy It's near impossible for kratos to stay dead let alone die
Bruh kratos beat baulder who beat the world serpent who splintered the world tree which in the data books itself was said that every branch surpasses time space and infinity I'm pretty sure
And plus kratos could comes back for years to fight Thor
He has a curse to never die he can come back from hell again and again
Bro I've just been sitting here for the past 4 years waiting for a Pokemon power scaling video
Thor wins. Kratos only has feats based on the game whereas Thor has many writers and feats. For instance being impaled by the necro sword. The same necro sword to slay a celestial which is above sky father. Zeus had helped defeating the titans. Odin and Zeus are more equal to one another. Rune King Thor + Power Cosmic + thorforce makes him near unbeatable. Kratos on the other hand needed the sword that Zeus got in order to kill Zeus. Kratos needs weapons in order to beat people. Thor is all himself. His hammer isn’t his power it is merely meant to control it.
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@Awakening No comic thor doesnt win lmao. Seth already debunked that in this video. I think you mean cosmic thor. Cosmic thor blitz kratos
@Awakening tbf we don’t know what Thor the gow Thor is yet
@@bubbles2624 mythology accurate Thor obviously, nothing from marvel
@@crackalackin3877 ye but magni and modi weren’t accurate mythology wise
That beyond the speed of light feat for Kratos was kinda bad. There is a better one. Each Valkyrie he fought was said to travel between realms in an instant, some of witch are said to be nearly infinite. So yeah there’s your speed feat for Kratos.
And hermes the annoying god in god of war 3 delivers dreams to ever person and has infinite speed who kratos keep up with and the servants you fight in God of war 2 3 are causal light speed but kratos no diff them
even beter than that, the sisters of fates a known to have infinity speed, which he killed, so technically he's faster that twice the infinity of speed
Excellent video Seth! Really good mixture of info and opinion. Keep up the great work!
really glad to see you doing vs battles on diff media other than anime
good stuff. good stuff.
So if Kratos has the Blade, we assume it works on Thor, we let him scale to the other Gods stamina (which makes no sense cause you can only scale him to their physical stats. How do we now he can also fight as long as Zeus???), we assume him moving inside Yggdrasil makes him as fast as ??? What? Makes no sense anyways..
So we use all of Kratos Symbolic feats and NOT his literal ACTUAL FEATS.
And Thor is not allowed to use his Godblast, Anti Force, Teleportation and other Hax?
So if we take the max highball Kratos and a nerfed version of Thor?
Result of video?
Kratos wins. LOL???
100% Thor would destroy Kratos honestly IMO not even close. That is because of how the comic version of "superheroes" are written Thor"s first appearance in a comic was in 1962 he has like 45 years on kratos in fiction. Seth does his best to try to make Kratos win but it would not even be close. For example he states Thor has an ability that can send Kratos to a realm where he could not survive, but says since Thor doesnt use it a lot that he wouldnt lol?
@@Rilosilo2 100% correct
Seth is biased in this video
@@Rilosilo2 I love how Seth uses the "oh he doesn't use it often" argument for Thor, but then he gives Kratos a bunch of tools he NEVER uses after GoW3 like the Blade of Olympus. He's clearly biased lmao
@@zomebody5529 to be completely fair, its bullshit power scaling anything in the marvel universe lmao. Legit just a bunch of made up mumbo jumbo to make the characters stronger so they can keep writing them, its insanely unreasonable to say "ah yes thor wins because of these tools that defeat literally anything even in his own universe until we make up some other thing the enemy has that stops him" at least in god of war kratos power is actually power and not just the newest thing that can destroy everything. TLDR the concepts of what kratos does are consistent with the world he lives in, marvel is just infinite writing to infinitely create infinitely new infinities to destroy all of beyond infinity(because marvel writers decided more infinite than infinite was a thing???)
No version of Kratos even comes close to comic Thor. This is why using mathematics and science on different fictional universes is a waste of time. Comic Thor can destroy planets and put up a fight against multiple abstracts like Galactus and celestials. Kratos got impaled by a 2 x 4.
Kratos Isn't Weaker In The New Games, He's Just Holding Back Mimir Says So In The Novel. He Fears That If He Gives In To His Rage Then He Becomes The Monster The World Hails Him To Be. And If He Loses Control In Front Of His Son He's Afraid Loki Will Fear Him And Lose Him. It's In The Novel 👊🏾
Some of us prefer the interpetation that he is weaker cause thats more interesting and has bigger stakes and danger.
There is actually waay more evidence that he is weaker
Well it's about time someone does this
I honestly think it would end in a draw, after Kratos realizes Thor is a God who truly wants to do the right thing and is willing to die to do it.
Hell if they met up before Kratos final fight against Zeus, I could see Thor offering a hand to Kratos.
Thats not how versus battles world ffs
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World?
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He meant “work.” I agree with him, it’s not how death battles work but realistically they would definitely team up.
Vs battles are about killing each other
The whole point of VS battles is fighting, not characters talking or getting along. A fight.
Thor has several multiversal feats even a few outerversal but those are outliers
His outerversal feats are not outliers. It is as consistent as Multiversal feats.
@@gohanblanco5641 I mean normal earth 616 thor not an amped version
@@bigruckus8664 yes normal 616 thor has too
@@gohanblanco5641 ik he killed a beyonder but what other feats does he have? That are outerversal
@@bigruckus8664 Some notable Outerversal Thor feats/scaling:
1) Beat Demogeorge, a being stated to be beyond space and time.
2) His divinity transcends dimensions and marvel has transfinite amount of dimensions meaning stacks of infinity itself.
3) Fought an entire Army whose weapons were beyond conventional Science and this broken because Science and Physics in marvel defines infinite dimensions, the universe etc and many more op stuff which we don't have to mention.
4) Defeated Zelia a being who is twice as strong as Odin and Odin nullified Surtur's Omnidirectional flames which was going to destroy Yggdrassil and the "Otherworld" a realm in Yggdrassil that holds the entire Multiverse.
5) Odin has other Outerversal feats as his battle with Surtur also shook nine realms and even Asgard alone is beyond mortal science, comprehensions and concept of time, space and dimensionality. Odin has way more feats which honestly will take eons for me to cover so I'll conclude here.
6) Surtur at verbatim states that Thor is equal to him.
7) Thor resisted the unbinding stone which is a weapon so powerful that it can wipe out the entire Multiverse. This weapon can rewrite/erase all of reality and Thor tanked it.
8) His Godblast is enough to destroy Fabric of universe and barriers of dimesion
His God blast can kill even immortal beings such as Galactus who existentially alone is unbound of dimensionality itself. Even in his weakest state he beat Hyperstorm a being one with the Hyperspace and Hyperspace in marvel is basically the crossroads which again contains all dimensions and realities.
galactus can also destroy the entire multiverse as a side effect of his battle.
9) Was able to scare Ego the living planet who was stated by Galactus to be so powerful that even all Asgardians and he himself in his full powers couldn't beat.
10) Beat mangog a threat to Odin.
11)Killed Glory who was holding power of 10,000 gods even if i consider one God to be on pair with likes of baldur. He could destroy the universe easily. And Thor killed him with his god blast. Plus every single Gods are living archetypes and are metaphysical which alone makes them beyond the entire Marvel Universe which alone as I state is infinite dimensional.
12) Hurted the Chaos King who is a being stated to be literally Multi Eternity himself and he destroyed nearly the entire Marvel Multiverse and in this case when we say Multiverse it isn't referring to a single Universe but the entire Omniverse which way way beyond it.
13) Pushed the weight of 9 realms and it was basically clapping the ragnarock cycle which is the fate of all gods.
So this was just a few Outerversal feats for Base Thor and there's like 40 more. I can provide scans too.
I really think if older Kratos goes full rage and is blinded by anger only that he is capable of slaughter Thor and destroy the whole Norse Pantheon in less than an hour
Not Comic book Thor lmao
@@oxcencengenga195 Maybe you right but definitely MCU and mythology
@@oxcencengenga195 there's alot of comic book versions of thor, i think forms that are above and stronger than cosmic thor will clap kratos but bellow that kratos stomps every form.
@@oxcencengenga195 comics base he could but not the other ones
@@carljohnson5542 not even close base comic Thor shits on kratos
Can't wait to see who comes out on top in the game!