Could you Guys make a video doing Pain (nagato) x Sasuke? Or Itachi x Sasuke? That would be Dope Man. Some of the coolest characters fighting each other is always Dope
Another point for Kakashi is how in the Naruto Verse it’s heavily implied your chakra is linked to one’s state of mine, and feelings. Kakashi comes to grip after the death of Nagato during his visit to his dad in the afterlife, Kakashi gains a noticeable bump as mentally, he’s not shackled by his guilt anymore. That is why by the time kage summit comes around, Kakashi is spamming jutsu’s that previously would have taken all his energy to cas
I mean, you could say the same about Sasuke. His sense of self worth is also trash, to the point where he was willing to live an eternity of loneliness for his brother's wish of peace. But honestly when talking about bad mental health almost all of the Naruto cast are top tier :)
OK it seems to me that when it comes to power in any form and media it is starting to sound like psychic powers all together: -In Outlast it was referenced that they were somewhat able to achieve it from the LSD soldiers conspiracy same with FEAR 2 - In Mob Psycho they believed they could achieve it through torture. Seems like trauma is the way to get it started. -In Teen Titans Starfire claims her powers are managed through her emotions same with Raven - In MHA it follows the same principle too when getting stronger and this is only a tiny few examples. Seems like everyone agrees that power of the mind gives you real power. Starting to feel like this is a legit thing that can actually happen.
Something people tend to leave out about dual ms Kakashi, is the fact that when he received the dual sharingan power from obito, he also received a reserve of obitos sage of six paths Chakra. So that's why Kakashi was capable of managing both sharingan at full power for longer then 20 seconds
And The reason no one brings this up is because it makes no sense. Obito ran out of chakra during the Kaguya fight. He literally needed a large portion of sakura’s byakugo chakra to save sasuke, and then uses up even more chakra to save them again from the boneash attacks. He had no more chakra to give especially not enough chakra for a perfect susanoo. Then you also have to remember that obito had a JUUBI taken out of him by force. the entire situation made 0 sense.
@@sampalace358 it make total sense he was still enhanced by the juubi and his eyes became stronger just cause the juubi its like when hagoromo tooks his power back they were left with a portiong of his chakra naruto with his senjutsu and sasuke with rinnengan but naruto lost the abilities to heal limbs cause hagoromo took his power back after the war you just a bit slow
I never took the Karin statement where she says Sasuke’s chakra is thicker and colder than before as a power statement. IMO she’s just noticing how much more ominous Sasuke is becoming. He’s a darker person hellbent on murdering Danzo and his chakra is reflecting that.
I mean like thicker means made up of a larger number of things and that means he has a larger amount of chakra which means he is just blantly stronger idk why u think more chakra doesn’t = strength
Well normally sure but its stated that Uchiha get stronger with hate. Sasuke's chakra getting thicker and colder should correlate to his sharingan powering him up as well. So in Sasuke's case this should absolutely be power related.
But with that it’s likely he’s getting stronger. Tobirama noted uchihas hate and love is what develops their sharingan and I’m pretty sure there’s also a statement that it gives them their strength
Honestly, Kakashi still had a bit of a soft spot for Sasuke more than likely. Even if he could Kamui Sasuke's head off...I doubt he'd have the stomach to do it
@Down 4 yeah. Thats also a factor as to why I don't think he could even bring himself to kill Sasuke if he could. He has way too strong of a bond with all of them to go that far.
I mean kakashi knows the real sasuke, who saved naruto vs haku and gave naruto food and also saved sakura from sound ninja and saved the team against orachimaru in forest.
@@Lore-gt5rh i think they were talking about Pain Arc Kakashi vs Hebi/Taka/5KS Sasuke. They could have clarified better but the scans they use show what they are talking about for the most part.
Sasuke also being a prodigy probably recognized the 1000 years of death as the pinnacle of ninjutsu and copied it in Hope's it would help him defeat itachi. So I'd argue Sasuke would 1000 years of death kakashi first
Kakashi's ms reaction speed seems comparable to Obito's. I think people forget how godlike Obito can use his ms. So Kakashi being a genius prodigy and having Obito's eye should be able to do the same.
Bloodlusted Kakashi's kinda nutty, in any arc he's in honestly he's usually one of the strongest. I do miss when he was just sort of the benchmark for an elite jonin, but I also love what they did with his character all through Shippuden as well as Boruto. One of the only characters they didn't kinda ruin in one way or another.
I love the idea that he gets a general power boost after talking to his father in the afterlife. The guilt and trauma he suffered literally held him back until he finds closure.
They ruined his artstyle a lot tho. I mean, he used to look manlier and tougher in OG Naruto, bigger jaw, more well drawn face and bigger body - that still went on for about half of Shippuden - but then they dumped him down like half chibi half serious and got some sort of women eyes.
@@demonintellect9834 bruh they're completely different jutsus.....the 3rd raikage's move is a lightning coated piercing move where he coats his whole body with lightning chakra and make him pierces sharper but chidori is a jutsu where you gather lightning chakra in the palm of your hand to create a piercing jab They're different
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi sasuke konohamaru gai kakashi gaara n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain
Naruto was stronger than Kakashi by a mile half way through the war... people over hype kakashi. Naruto and sasuke were near the top of shinobi after pain arc and summit arc. Kakashi couldn't beat pain. Nor could he fight all 5 Kage. He receives a temporary ass pull ability during the finale, and that's it. Like I like kakashi great character. But guys. Be real.
@@lifeunderthestarstv I’m talking about when they fight Kakuzu. Kakashi says Naruto has surpassed him so people think that means Naruto is stronger at that point
@@blackopspro6455 Well, Naruto had accomplished a feat that neither he nor Minato could accomplish (in record time, no less). Naruto deserves all the praise he gets. xD
I’m going to be honest, it really is incredibly funny to even consider that he had no six pads chakra, no additional anything outside of both MS… the thought of Kakashi being that utterly op hits me different
@croma 136 oh ik, but the idea that he didn’t and maybe assumed that he was doing so well because he had literal God powers, is really funny to me. That being said I am very aware that he did have six paths chakra up until the DMS faded.
@@IAMvonte-2518 true true, decades more experience with one eye compared to less than one that Kakashi had with his, however much chakra he actually had thanks to Sakura's Byakuya seal restoring however much, dude wouldn't have made as good a sixth Hokage as Kakashi imo, but we can't deny how monstrous he'd have been.
I think what Kakashi meant by saying Naruto surpassed him is that he was able to add his chakra nature to the rasengan effectively which Kakashi wasn’t able to do and had to create chidori. I don’t think kakashi meant in raw/combat power
7:12 I mean, Kakashi could've even just been impressed by how Naruto was able to successfully fuse his wind-nature with the Rasengan in a way that Kakashi never could with his lightning-nature. In that instance, yes, Naruto surpassed Kakashi; however, once again, this is a modest notion. After all, Kakashi created Chidori, a completely unique skill, by failing to fuse his lightning-nature with the Rasengan. So, it comes down to which one's more impressive: a new enhanced version of an older, broken jutsu, OR a new, 100% unique broken jutsu.
Isn’t the chidori basically the rasengan opposite cause it’s a change in chakra nature while the rasengan is change in chakra form and rasenshuriken is both change in form and nature?
The 5 Kage summit fight I think Kakashi stands a good chance for 2 reasons. 1. Sasuke was becoming mentally unhinged. 2. Sasuke was going blind rapidly. Kakashi exploiting these two things could win. but a non blind sasuke kicks his ass.
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi sasuke konohamaru gai kakashi gaara n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain
BIG SAD. We never got a REAL SASUKE VS KAKASHI BATTLE! I would much rather have this. Then Naruto telling Sasuke his feelings, and Sasuke just says FUCK OFF!! 💀
@Down 4 well, when you're about to kill your teammate because you think it is a show of strength to get revenge over your brother, compared to a group collaboration of your team wanting the same. So, kakashi isn't a hypocrite, he just knew shikamaru was doing his revenge in the right way
Umm again Sasuke was about to kill Naruto meanwhile Naruto thought this was edgey sparring. Yea that's the reason why Sasuke couldn't get revenge he was letting his last for revenge go to far. As killing a comrade all in anger because Naruto at the time seemed to be catching up (and with the fight against gaara seemed to be surpassing him when Sasuke considered Naruto to be a scrub and was so frustrated as it means to Sasuke that killing Itachi seemed like a far fetched joke if a scrub is now near or surpassing him in strength.) Shikamaru may of had revenge on the mind but he didn't get so fixated he tried to kill his comrade because they were stronger than him. Also I would say that hidan was trash in comparison to itachi so really Shikamaru needed just a strat to beat hidan not a power booster like Sasuke. And still Shikamaru wouldn't kill allies in pursuit of revenge and power. As he isn't bloodlusted.
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi sasuke konohamaru gai kakashi gaara n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain
you guys always do a great job not being biased and giving credit when credit is due. y’all aren’t to quick to jump to an answer and actually think it thru unlike most people
Kakashi beats Sasuke up until his Hebi version. Anything after that and Sasuke pretty much wins handily. I ain't going to mention DMS because that was only a temporary boost.
@@mightguy3118 no lol he doesn’t. Their is not a single jutsu sasuke has that would touch kakashi. Dms kakashi is the most broken character in the show. His perfect susano combined with kamui is shitting on sasuke.
@@jamelgallagher6602 Rinnegan Sasuke can teleport so DMS Kakashi kamui is useless. He can trade places with the kamui shuriken lol even teleport Kakashi into his chidori like he did Madara. Also DMS Kakashi doesn't last long enough to beat a top tier meanwhile Sasuke can fight for a whole day against other top tiers like Naruto Kaguya etc. Adult Rinnegan Sasuke will go to the Kamui dimension and destroy it lol 😆
I truly wish obito’s spirit remained with kakashi and it would be like a naruto/kurama dynamic. Imagine kakashi a 6th paths level kage. That would’ve been so dope
Love that you guys take their fight mindset so seriously. It is so important what their intent is fighting each other as Sasuke really was sort of a different character before kage summit.
Like the channel a lot bro became a fan of anime few years ago finished naruto finally got my two fav characters against each other love it. Y'all remind me of of sports analysts but for anime. Keep em coming 🤙🏼
I think Kimimaro is way better. He’s a descendant of Kaguya Otsutsuki like Naruto and Sasuke, we’ve already seen that someone with powerful chakra (0-Tails Naruto) can shatter Haku’s crystal ice mirrors which is his strongest move. Kimimaro would probably easily break the mirrors.
Haku is downplayed more, because his only showing was butchering Sasuke and Naruto before they could walk on water, and then getting de-plotted by kyuubi meanwhile, Kimimaro has a fair showing against Gaara (one of the few ninjas who can fly reliably, and rain down death) and his life hanging by a thread is well understood as well (moving purely on willpower, he'd be a fantastic green lantern lol) In a fight, unless Haku starts with his kekai genkai active, he'd get blitzed.
@@yoklyujl7 lmao Deidara absolutely fucks Kimimaro up come on now. Kimimaro gets no-diffed by C4 and C0 so at worst Deidara ties him, however it’s very likely Kimimaro dies to C4 before C0 is even relevant. Sasuke only won his fight with Deidara because he happened to have the Sharingan and a variant of the transportation jutsu to reverse summon himself away from C0. Kimimaro doesn’t have those answers, Deidara is possibly his worst matchup.
@@Borchert97 That O Tails Naruto is even more powerful than Kakashi in the Land of Waves arc. Bear in mind, Zabuza himself also says that Kakashi would lose to Haku. So, Haku losing to an above Kakashi level threat isn’t much of an anti-feat.
What I find interesting is that not a lot of people talk about how kakashi got a donor sharingan and was able to awaken the mangekyo while not being a Uchiha. There has to be something to be said about that
@@dhamn7027 no, Obito awoken MS by Rins death. (So did Kakashi in the episode) But I like the original story where after so much use and skill he awakens it during the Naruto to Shippuden time skip.
Obito's chakra was still present in his sharingan, thus both obito and Kakashi were temporarily linked together. When obito awakened the MS so did Kakashi due to their link
Maybe Obito was the one to unlock it, but Kakashi still had to learn to use it himself. Also I thought it was due to him killing Rin that awakened it and him being traumatized by it instead of Obito being traumatized.
I think that kakashi would win if they finished that fight in the 5 kage summit arc ... but if sasuke was full power at the point (and not just really exhausted cause he fought all day) then its a bit different
@@antonio19xy Nope he got healed(Karin's healing also restores Chakra & Stamina) right before he fought Kakashi so not exhausted but it is true he was going blind
@@SRVaris Nope stop capping, Karin restored a small amount of his chakra. Even after Sasuke almost kills her she starts to have dialect in her mind that Sasuke shouldn’t keep fighting because his chakra reserves are diminishing. Kakashi was at full power and sasuke still almost bodies him. MS Sasuke at full power would one shot him.
I cant lie i love how much true praise you give each character as far as feats and capabilities. We all knew who was going to win but amazing detailed character power scale
@7:05 I honestly think Kakashi was congratulating the Rasenshuriken as ‘surpassing’ anything he had learned himself. Base to base, Kakashi should still be able to out-box and slap around Naruto, like Kabuto did before Team 7 saw Sasuke that first time again. Here, Naruto surpasses Kakashi in chakra and raw A.P., but Kakashi has the edge everywhere else.
@@dillianwhyte443 and tbh I don’t see a reason that the kakashi can’t slice away other parts of the susanoo if he can’t get rid of the arrow. Plus I mean we aren’t even considering sasuke can barely see when they meet and just fought danzo, I really don’t see him actually winning in that exact circumstance.
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi sasuke konohamaru gai kakashi gaara n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain
Kakashi was my favorite character the moment I saw him and always will be. At the begging when people like orochimaru were saying kabuto was as strong as kakashi I’ve never been more triggered 😭
@@takatotakasui8307 kabuto was definitely strong but he would get clapped by kakashi in a head to head battle. Kakashi jutsu arsenal is way better plus his sharingan. Kabuto definitely impressed me vs tsunade but it was a tsunade who was out of fighting shape and really had nothing but brute strength.
@@web_3393 yeah but they were literally called equals and he outsmarts kakashi there intellect is comparable and it’s been stated by orochimaru a genuis that at the time they were equal so it’s like 😂
Tbh I feel like this is kinda like Anakin vs Obiwan. Sometimes raw power and talent just can't compete with experience and intelligence. Plus kakashi spent pretty much the whole series fighting people way stronger than him.
What kakashi meant by Naruto surpassing him was probably the ability to apply a change in chakra nature to the Rasengan as he stated before he wasn't able to
the preda path absorbs ninjutsu, jiraya loved to spam large scale ninjutsu and as you admitted the animal path was one of the stronger ones, just because the asura path has big missile doesn't mean it's more USEFUL in a fight. Obviously the human path is not one of the more combat oriented paths, but the paths were stronger when nagato was focusing more on them and could channel more chakra into a specfific path. Jiraiya was fighting the only 3 active paths at the time in the rain village those were the strongest versions of those paths that we ever saw and jiraiya didn't just fight them he killed them. They were just dead if he knew about pain he could've disposed of their bodies right there.
Uh. All 6 paths were active just not fighting Jiraiya... And Jiraiya only beat them with frog song hacks. He literally said against the animal path alone "if I fight them, I will die" and he went into sage mode and summoned ma and pa to help and still thought he'd lose til they said they had a super strong genjutsu....
@@daymianhogue1634 He wasn't pouring chakra into the other 3 paths, even if they were active, they were sitting around somewhere and nagato wasted no chakra on them. Also Jiraiya was a very cautious fighter, he said he will die in the fight but that was only after 3 or so attacks where pains defense was flawless (something we never see Pain do against Naruto cuz plot armor lmao) then Jiraiya retreats for like 3 minutes and then literally takes Pains defense apart even before the genjutsu kicks in. Like, One of the paths was trapped in the dark swamp, one was absorbing the fire jutsu and the animal path got trashed in taijutsu, they were done without the genjutsu even. He could've continued a regular assault and just kill them one by one in that situation, but played it safe and used something Nagato didn't expect. It was also a flawless victory against the 3 since the paths of pain didn't put a scratch on Jiraiya. Do you think Naruto would've actually killed as many paths of pain as he did in his fight if he didn't have 2 reserve sage modes, 3 giant toads, katsuyu feeding him intel and Nagato being significantly weakened? Naruto had every advantage Jiraiya could only dream of.
@@yugislavia9870 I don’t think it’s very genuine to compare Naruto’s fight with pain to jiraya’s. Jiraya’s fight was okay ay more tactical and slower and where he fought pain allowed for much more ambushes with the Verticality and tight corridors. Naruto’s fight was much much more about directly fighting with pain in one big fight. Jiraya already thought fighting 3 paths was a bit overwhelming for him to deal with, and 2 of the paths there were support paths and the third is a summoner with no way to directly defend itself in a unique way. Being completely honest. I think jiraya would’ve gotten washed harder than naruto did in the hidden leaf fight.
@@PaleRook There were no ambushes, the whole fight was simply sage Jiraiya cautiously attacking like 3 times, then retreating into the pipes and then coming back to take them apart, like, that's the whole fight. It felt long, but it wasn't. Naruto did use strategy to defeat the paths of Pain and the intel katsuyu gave him helped a lot, it saved him chakra he would've wasted on figuring things about Pain out himself. Their fight had a faster pace but there was undeniably strategizing. Pain also fought a lot more recklessly because he knew that he has to protect deva at all costs or he's done so he just threw the other pains at Naruto to stall. In the Jiraiya fight, Pain kept up a flawless defense because time was on his side and Jiraiya was on the backfoot. If Jiraiya showed up with 3 giant toads to fight 6 weakened pains who were miles away from Nagato, with the strongest path not even moving for a good 5-10 minutes, while getting fed intel and while Nagato threw around his paths to 1v1 the opponent (which he did against Naruto) I think that Jiraiya wouldn't necessarily win but he'd do at the very least as much damage as Naruto did.
One thing I always assumed but realized was never actually stated was that the paths of Pain seem to be stronger individually, the less of them are being used. Like the Tendo Path takes significantly more damage than the other paths and keeps fighting (not counting the filler scenes against 6 tails naruto) and I always assumed that's because it was the last one so Nagato could focus all of his chakra on it. If that were the case, then the 3 that Jiraiya fought could have been stronger than the paths individually while they were invading the leaf. All 6 being active is still more dangerous, especially 6 vs 1 but Nagato was fighting an entire village while the Tendo and Asura path were killing Kakashi.
We know that Kakashi is obviously MASSIVELY stronger during the War-Arc, to the point where I think people actually UNDERESTIMATE his feats in the war-arc, especially after he gets pissed because of Zabuza Edo Tensei. But the question remains WHEN does he gain that strength? I think there's two ways to think about it. One, his talk with his father while dead cleared his 'blocks' in his mind, and his chakra immediately started to increase, and he just got massively stronger because of that, with nothing limiting his chakra and powers now. (Perhaps even the resurrection itself helped his body?) Then with some casual training to get used to these new levels of chakra, that's why he's stronger. I personally lean towards my second theory which is, his talk with his father did clear his blocks but what they did was massively increase his TRAINING rate. Which makes sense, considering if War Arc Kakashi fought Five-Kage Sasuke, welp. Not much to say besides bye-bye Sasuke. I'd go with the wager that while Five-Kage Summit Kakashi IS stronger. I don't think at this point he's massively stronger. I think it's pretty fair to say that Pein Kakashi does in fact beat Sasuke of the Itachi fight probably... 7/10? 8/10? times. Admitedly it's hard to say, because we neve actually see 'full power' Pein. When he fights Naruto he's weakened. Kakashi clearly isn't on the same tier as Pein. Jiraiya clearly isn't either. Naruto only even beat Pein because Pein was weakened, naruto had prep time, the full toad clan, his seal broke, and then didn't he somehow after having his seal restructured come out of the Satellite in Sage Mode? Like, literally the only reason naruto even got close to winning tbh was that Pein was weakened + Hinata is suicidal. My point with this is, I don't think Kakashi losing to Deva Pein is bad at all. Remember, even if he's holding back this IS a full-power Pein who fought the six tails kyuubi just with Deva after destroying Konoha and fight naruto who used sage mode multiple times. Overall, I actually think people underrate both Pein AND Kakashi, while slightly overrating sage mode Naruto. I'd even go as far to say that Kakashis fight against Kakuzu was more impressive then Sasuke's fight against Deidara, but that's a whole different conversation.
@@oeuxi1145 literally go to the description of the attack on the wiki: _Sasuke draws _*_natural lightning directly from thunder clouds_*_ to supplement the power of his strike and controls it with chakra. _*_Unlike_*_ most techniques, _*_which are based on the user's chakra_*_ , this one uses the natural lightning, which - as noted by Zetsu - reaches the ground in 1/1000th of a second_
@@Mj783980 He was going to use it against Team 7 on a sunny day. Probably because Kishimoto hadn't really thought out fully the Kirin technique, but it was never fully retconned so yeah, he can use it on his own, but probably requires a lot of chakra.
I wanna mention the kirin thing, there is no clouds in the sky when he try’s to kirin team 7 meaning that it would not be even close to the same power level it was against itachi. They likely would have survived, but been taken out of commission
The way I would explain this in-universe is that he has two ways to use Kirin, he can either prep it with Fire Style and command natural lightning, or he can inject his Lightning Style into the sky to create artificial lightning.
@@GrokeytheHunter I WOULDNT SAY IT WOULD BE WEAKER ALL DEPENDS HOW MUCH CHAKRA TO PUT IN IT PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER DURABILTY NOT LITRALLY SMART POWERFUL CHARACTER KNOW WATS GOING KILL THERE OPPONET AND WAT CAN KILL THEMSELF ALSO ORICHRUMO SAID DONT LITRALLY KINDA SAYING LIKE HEY IF USE THIS JSUTU YOUR GONNA KILL THE 9 TAILS HOST CAUSE CONFLICT WITH AKTASUKI
One thing to note about sasuke vs deidara is sasuke was actually holding back not going for the kill cause we was only trying to get information about itachis location
Held back at the start, started trying when he had to use chidori on himself to green that one prison justu that puts the microscopic bomb bugs in the body
@@Rck-vert When? At the end when Sasuke punched Deidara instead of stabbing him? When they were on the clay dragon Sasuke hit him with a chidori and said I missed your vitals on purpose
Could you Guys make a video doing Pain (nagato) x Sasuke? Or Itachi x Sasuke? That would be Dope Man. Some of the coolest characters fighting each other is always Dope
Itachi slaps any form of Sasuke until the 5 Kage summit. Then Danzo fight Sasuke puts up a good fight against itachi, but will lose to itachi in the end. Edo tensei itachi and Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke are about even. Any version of Sasuke beyond the Kabuto fight destroys itachi negative difficulty. 6 paths of pain stomp any form of Sasuke before Danzo fight Sasuke. Danzo fight Sasuke takes out 5/6 paths, but loses to deva path’s chibaku tensei. Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke would beat the 6 paths of pain, but would get mid diffed by edo nagato. Post Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke low-mid diffs edo nagato. This is my opinion.
@@andrewdasilva7786 watch seththeprogrammer video about how naruto characters(some of them) are at least planetary. Might changed your mind and gives you a proper perspective on powerscaling in the narutoverse.
2:19 i was actually thinking of this scene recently. not remembering the dialogue, i thought: well maybe this was a signal. if Sasuke were to bring his arm down, it would've meant a large group; a squadron, if you will: would pop out of the ruble, and sand, and attack "Team" "7". but no, it was what would later turn out to be Kirin. 12:38 i just now realized, the colours of Kakashi's Mangekyo are swapped in this shot. ~15:38 i think it was just adrenaline. so to speak. i mean, this is fiction. these characters don't actually have hormones. but in universe, it's just adrenalin. i think we concluded that Mr. Uchiha claps another shinobi's cheeks. what a surprise! the Uchiha are overpowered.
Speaking of Kakashi's ability to use Kamui. Obito's fight with Minato proved you can change the speed of Kamui. So maybe there are conditions of which he can use his kamui at different speeds.
One thing I need put to rest. Does the Chidori/Raikiri give you a speed boost? Some say it does. Other's say it doesn't and I just don't know who to believe.
The way I read it made me think that using Chidori/Raikiri involves the caster needing to move faster than a normal person’s eyes can see. That’s why Minato told a young Kakashi that the technique was incomplete and that he shouldn’t use it because of the tunnel vision that moving so fast creates. Never really got the feeling that the jutsu itself made the user move faster, just that using it necessitates moving super duper fast. I think if it gave the user a speed boost, then we would have seen it used to avoid something that a character couldn’t have otherwise avoided.
@@davecommentary yeah the user needs to actually be that fast, that’s why sasuke had to copy lee while learning chidori. And then while he was fighti gaara they pointed out how he was copying lee but couldn’t continuously maintain that speed like lee could
@@davecommentary but then the rasengan would be the same as it, you still have to run and hit someone. Otherwise people could just use chidori to hit someone like the rasengan
So this isn't about Kakashi or Sasuke but they brought up an interesting point about jiraiya getting caught off guard. What kind of bugged me for the longest time is if he's in Sage Mode how did he not sense the ambush. Maybe that's not how it works but I've always thought it just seemed unlikely he'd be caught off guard that much.
Hey Seth, I’m building my own characters in my story, I’m wondering. Can you tell me what gives a character good scaling and good feats? Love the vid so far! Edit: I’ll post the link to the first few chapters soon
Wouldn’t focus on the feats too much as it might muddy the story. Best way to do things are statements or direct showings. For example outrunning a lightning bolt, speed of lightning. Dodging light, light speed. Another example “he’s going to destroy the planet, solar system, sun, etc.” though if it’s something the story can recover from, just have them do it. Showing is always better than telling!
Usually, people make it where characters start off basic, then builds their way up to planet level or something. The thing with fictional characters, is some characters are meant to be galactic level, and some are meant to be like city block level. Also, people like it when characters have interesting pasts, like a sad one, which affects the way they behave years later into the present.
PLEASE don’t focus on scaling and feats just the balance and consistency is all that’s necessary. Scaling messes up a lot of stories Dragon Ball Super all power no plot
@@Sub4AWillToLive basically makes you do somthing that the caster want for example shisui use it on naruto and make him destroy the leaf in narito head the genjutsu makes it he's own will and idea to destroy the village so basically mind control
@@fork-man it can broken out but unless someone finds out there in a genjutsu with the byakugan there’s no really way to find out someone had been casted by it
Jiraiya didn't just look at 6 paths and go "oh yeah, I can't damage tendo and asura" like these two are implying. As far as he was concerned, he had just killed three paths. Then, there were now six, with three of the six having been who he had just killed. He knows he can't KILL them. It had nothing to do with him somehow acknowledging that two of the three new paths present were paths he can't beat. I don't even know how that came up. He just had a full scale battle with three paths, then lost an arm after being caught off guard. Clearly, he saw SIX OF THEM and knew he'd lose because he's down an arm and he now knows they're 'unkillable'. It had nothing to do with any a specific path (of which he doesn't know the abilities of) showing up. You two had the information wrong. Naraka path wasn't in that fight until the end when the animal path presumably summoned the other three paths. Though, it doesn't change much of the discussion in this instance. Jiraiya fought Human, Animal, and Preta. Bum paths though? 2/3 definitely weren't. Are they sleeping on the Pain that causes the second most headaches? Preta top three. It's shonen. It's not exactly uncommon for the attacking character to tell someone that their guard is down as they're attacking. It doesn't imply that Pain is fast at talking or is so powerful Jiraiya would lose that arm regardless of the sentence or not. It's simple anime shit. It doesn't make sense, but it doesn't make Jiraiya lower or Pain higher on the scale, lmao. Pain doesn't get an insane speed feat for 'dodging a point-blank raikiri'. Kakashi had a chakra rod in him that made it easy to dodge.
Gotta defend my Jiraiya boi there ngl, given the distance between Nagato and Paths of Pain in Rain Village vs the distance between him and Paths in Konoha had to have an enormous impact on how strong they were, even when it comes to the weakest Paths
9:10 y'all gotta stop with low balling Jiraiya. Jiraiya said that because he had no clue of the Rinnegan's powers as a whole not because of those 3 paths distinctive abilities.
Definitely nagato admitted that jiraya would have won if he knew the six paths abilities. Jiraya definitely is stronger than sage mode naruto in the pain arc
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Hell yeah seth
Thanks dad.
How about Aizen vs Loki?
DMS Kakashi rolls Sasuke tho ngl
Could you Guys make a video doing Pain (nagato) x Sasuke? Or Itachi x Sasuke? That would be Dope Man.
Some of the coolest characters fighting each other is always Dope
Another point for Kakashi is how in the Naruto Verse it’s heavily implied your chakra is linked to one’s state of mine, and feelings. Kakashi comes to grip after the death of Nagato during his visit to his dad in the afterlife, Kakashi gains a noticeable bump as mentally, he’s not shackled by his guilt anymore.
That is why by the time kage summit comes around, Kakashi is spamming jutsu’s that previously would have taken all his energy to cas
I mean, you could say the same about Sasuke. His sense of self worth is also trash, to the point where he was willing to live an eternity of loneliness for his brother's wish of peace. But honestly when talking about bad mental health almost all of the Naruto cast are top tier :)
Damn no wonder Naruto had so much chakra on his own
OK it seems to me that when it comes to power in any form and media it is starting to sound like psychic powers all together:
-In Outlast it was referenced that they were somewhat able to achieve it from the LSD soldiers conspiracy same with FEAR 2
- In Mob Psycho they believed they could achieve it through torture. Seems like trauma is the way to get it started.
-In Teen Titans Starfire claims her powers are managed through her emotions same with Raven
- In MHA it follows the same principle too when getting stronger and this is only a tiny few examples.
Seems like everyone agrees that power of the mind gives you real power. Starting to feel like this is a legit thing that can actually happen.
@@funnyvalentinesglorioushai2227 you’re absolutely right, I just stated what I said about Kakashi because I didn’t see it mentioned
Because chakra is form from physical and mental energy . That is why sasukes chakra gets progressive “colder” in shippuden
Something people tend to leave out about dual ms Kakashi, is the fact that when he received the dual sharingan power from obito, he also received a reserve of obitos sage of six paths Chakra. So that's why Kakashi was capable of managing both sharingan at full power for longer then 20 seconds
And The reason no one brings this up is because it makes no sense. Obito ran out of chakra during the Kaguya fight. He literally needed a large portion of sakura’s byakugo chakra to save sasuke, and then uses up even more chakra to save them again from the boneash attacks. He had no more chakra to give especially not enough chakra for a perfect susanoo. Then you also have to remember that obito had a JUUBI taken out of him by force. the entire situation made 0 sense.
@@sampalace358 lol 😆 i just think when naruto characters say they are out of chakra in shippudden it’s bs
And why he had legs too and a perfect susano
@@sampalace358 it make total sense he was still enhanced by the juubi and his eyes became stronger just cause the juubi its like when hagoromo tooks his power back they were left with a portiong of his chakra naruto with his senjutsu and sasuke with rinnengan but naruto lost the abilities to heal limbs cause hagoromo took his power back after the war you just a bit slow
He also received Obito’s literal spirit inside of him
The guy with the sharingan wins like always
Play both sides and you always come out on top
@@juggsasuke you’re right but they weren’t using non sharingan Kakashi in the video
@I should've been the protagonist if kakashi was actually an uchiha he would be one of the strongest. Even itachi said so
@@nickkerr6068 no shit he would be one of the strongest Uchiha members
When is the last time I've seen a Dan top comment on a swag or seth video. Been so long i don't even know if this is the real dan
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I never took the Karin statement where she says Sasuke’s chakra is thicker and colder than before as a power statement. IMO she’s just noticing how much more ominous Sasuke is becoming. He’s a darker person hellbent on murdering Danzo and his chakra is reflecting that.
I mean like thicker means made up of a larger number of things and that means he has a larger amount of chakra which means he is just blantly stronger idk why u think more chakra doesn’t = strength
Well normally sure but its stated that Uchiha get stronger with hate. Sasuke's chakra getting thicker and colder should correlate to his sharingan powering him up as well. So in Sasuke's case this should absolutely be power related.
But with that it’s likely he’s getting stronger. Tobirama noted uchihas hate and love is what develops their sharingan and I’m pretty sure there’s also a statement that it gives them their strength
I always interpreted that as Sasuke’s mind was unraveling further and further, becoming more evil.
Honestly, Kakashi still had a bit of a soft spot for Sasuke more than likely. Even if he could Kamui Sasuke's head off...I doubt he'd have the stomach to do it
@Down 4 yeah. Thats also a factor as to why I don't think he could even bring himself to kill Sasuke if he could. He has way too strong of a bond with all of them to go that far.
I mean kakashi knows the real sasuke, who saved naruto vs haku and gave naruto food and also saved sakura from sound ninja and saved the team against orachimaru in forest.
at WHAT age did he catch that body?
It is damn near impossible to kamui someone's head off.
@@bjrnthebootybandit if he can do it with a nail while fatigued, he could head shot someone if he really wanted to.
Kakashi, my all time favourite. Please do him justice! Haha.
no.
Can you stop unlisted your videos because it is annoying especially the 'what the hell happened series'
wait, im farely confused here. At the end, were they talking about wa kakashi vs fks sasuke if so WA KAKASHI annihilates him
Kakashi is omnipotent he stomps
@@Lore-gt5rh i think they were talking about Pain Arc Kakashi vs Hebi/Taka/5KS Sasuke. They could have clarified better but the scans they use show what they are talking about for the most part.
Kakashi has 1000 Years of Death in his arsenal, Plus
Kakashi has Icha Icha Tactics and Icha Icha Paradise.
His stats are superior so, I guess he wins.
Nah sasuke has the power of peanut.
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Sasuke gets beat by The Log but Kakashi is the master of The Log.
Sasuke also being a prodigy probably recognized the 1000 years of death as the pinnacle of ninjutsu and copied it in Hope's it would help him defeat itachi. So I'd argue Sasuke would 1000 years of death kakashi first
@@krankkid7394 If Sasuke had 1000 years of death, he probably would have used it on Itachi to win instantly, so it might be too powerful to copy.
@@dustingaethje1332 the sharingan cant copy kekei genkai so maybe 1000 years of death=secret hatake kekei genkai
Kakashi's ms reaction speed seems comparable to Obito's. I think people forget how godlike Obito can use his ms. So Kakashi being a genius prodigy and having Obito's eye should be able to do the same.
Kakashi is shown matching redeemed Obito's use of Kamui at the tail end of the War Arc
@@takatotakasui8307 that was only because óbito gave him 6paths chakra and his normal chakra too
@@temp2k773 I'm actually talking about when they both use Kamui to stop a truth seeking orb, before Obito dies
Hashirama cells + zetsu+ uchiha+ chakra = no, kakashi cannot do the same just cause he's "a prodigy "
@@takatotakasui8307 ???
Him fighting Kakuzu and Hidan alone for the most part is impressive
And when he was fighting both he was getting clapped
I forgot Ino was there lol
@@Rck-vert no he wasn’t .
@@Rck-vert he was pretty much fight 1 vs 6 with minor help from Shikamaru. Hidan was more a Distraction to him than actual problem.
not really kakuzu stomped him so hard and kakuzu was holding back as well
Remember that time in og Naruto was when Itachi put Kakashi in his tsukuyomi, and Kakashi was just on life support for the next few days, fun times.
Whenever Seth uploads it puts a smile on my face.
@LaCream L ratio
Bloodlusted Kakashi's kinda nutty, in any arc he's in honestly he's usually one of the strongest. I do miss when he was just sort of the benchmark for an elite jonin, but I also love what they did with his character all through Shippuden as well as Boruto. One of the only characters they didn't kinda ruin in one way or another.
I love the idea that he gets a general power boost after talking to his father in the afterlife. The guilt and trauma he suffered literally held him back until he finds closure.
@@ITMT. That's pretty thematically consistent with him being incompatible with the Sharingan
white fang was a legendary shinobi too. theyre another ambiguous chad clan like the namikaze
They ruined his artstyle a lot tho.
I mean, he used to look manlier and tougher in OG Naruto, bigger jaw, more well drawn face and bigger body - that still went on for about half of Shippuden - but then they dumped him down like half chibi half serious and got some sort of women eyes.
Sasuke: Stop using the sharingan if you're not an uchiha
Kakashi: Stop using chidori if you don't create it first
Problem is that kakashi didn't actually create it. The 3rd Raikage did.
@@demonintellect9834 what? The third raikage’s piercing finger and chidori are entirely different jutsu
@@PaleRook want to explain how?
@@demonintellect9834 bruh they're completely different jutsus.....the 3rd raikage's move is a lightning coated piercing move where he coats his whole body with lightning chakra and make him pierces sharper but chidori is a jutsu where you gather lightning chakra in the palm of your hand to create a piercing jab
They're different
his*
With kakashi's intelligence, i think he definitely maximizes his experience gain
I wonder if they're willing to put that in a Naruto RPG?
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi sasuke konohamaru gai kakashi gaara n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain
@@andrewdasilva7786 stop repeating the same comment in every comment thread
@Nihal Singh I wouldn't say nerfed kishi just changed the power structure mid way
I think Kakashi meant that Naruto surpassed him by creating an S rank jutsu. Not necessarily that he was stronger.
Stronger is also conditional. Kakashi has the techique, but Naruto wins in pure chakra.
Naruto was stronger than Kakashi by a mile half way through the war... people over hype kakashi. Naruto and sasuke were near the top of shinobi after pain arc and summit arc. Kakashi couldn't beat pain. Nor could he fight all 5 Kage. He receives a temporary ass pull ability during the finale, and that's it. Like I like kakashi great character. But guys. Be real.
@@lifeunderthestarstv I’m talking about when they fight Kakuzu. Kakashi says Naruto has surpassed him so people think that means Naruto is stronger at that point
@@blackopspro6455 Well, Naruto had accomplished a feat that neither he nor Minato could accomplish (in record time, no less). Naruto deserves all the praise he gets. xD
@@blackopspro6455 Naruto was pretty much stronger than Kakashi by the time of the Kakuzu fight.
Loving this Seth guy's vids i want to see more!
I’m going to be honest, it really is incredibly funny to even consider that he had no six pads chakra, no additional anything outside of both MS… the thought of Kakashi being that utterly op hits me different
It’s really Obito that was insanely op. Imagine if he had both his sharingan
@croma 136 ye
@croma 136 oh ik, but the idea that he didn’t and maybe assumed that he was doing so well because he had literal God powers, is really funny to me. That being said I am very aware that he did have six paths chakra up until the DMS faded.
@@IAMvonte-2518 true true, decades more experience with one eye compared to less than one that Kakashi had with his, however much chakra he actually had thanks to Sakura's Byakuya seal restoring however much, dude wouldn't have made as good a sixth Hokage as Kakashi imo, but we can't deny how monstrous he'd have been.
@@retrored9289 He also has Naruto's chakra that Naruto gave the whole army.
I think what Kakashi meant by saying Naruto surpassed him is that he was able to add his chakra nature to the rasengan effectively which Kakashi wasn’t able to do and had to create chidori. I don’t think kakashi meant in raw/combat power
I rewatch these VS battles so much I really aplreciate all the new content lately
7:12 I mean, Kakashi could've even just been impressed by how Naruto was able to successfully fuse his wind-nature with the Rasengan in a way that Kakashi never could with his lightning-nature. In that instance, yes, Naruto surpassed Kakashi; however, once again, this is a modest notion. After all, Kakashi created Chidori, a completely unique skill, by failing to fuse his lightning-nature with the Rasengan. So, it comes down to which one's more impressive: a new enhanced version of an older, broken jutsu, OR a new, 100% unique broken jutsu.
Isn’t the chidori basically the rasengan opposite cause it’s a change in chakra nature while the rasengan is change in chakra form and rasenshuriken is both change in form and nature?
@@fhsbjfjrjdj4427 yez
The 5 Kage summit fight I think Kakashi stands a good chance for 2 reasons. 1. Sasuke was becoming mentally unhinged. 2. Sasuke was going blind rapidly. Kakashi exploiting these two things could win. but a non blind sasuke kicks his ass.
I think a fair thing would be replacing Danzo with Kakashi, that'd the best place where it's fair for both of them.
he couldn’t even stop a blind sasuke from killing Sakura naruto had to save her. Dude was going 5 mph after he stopped that arrow. He was done
@@brixaabrixaa3390 …having to cover the ass/save someone else is a handycap more than anything.
Not only that but Sasuke just got done fighting. He was tired. Fatigue would play a huge role here.
@@otuskigaming6764 Yes but hes getting mopped up if that’s the case
The guy with the Sharigan wins it’s obvious.
Sasuke ez clap
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi sasuke konohamaru gai kakashi gaara n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain
I love when y’all collab, same with you and six, chemistry is beautiful and y’all funny asf
BIG SAD. We never got a REAL SASUKE VS KAKASHI BATTLE!
I would much rather have this. Then Naruto telling Sasuke his feelings, and Sasuke just says FUCK OFF!! 💀
@Down 4 well, when you're about to kill your teammate because you think it is a show of strength to get revenge over your brother, compared to a group collaboration of your team wanting the same. So, kakashi isn't a hypocrite, he just knew shikamaru was doing his revenge in the right way
@I should've been the protagonist revenge on a mass murder is different from revenge on an entire village
Umm again Sasuke was about to kill Naruto meanwhile Naruto thought this was edgey sparring. Yea that's the reason why Sasuke couldn't get revenge he was letting his last for revenge go to far. As killing a comrade all in anger because Naruto at the time seemed to be catching up (and with the fight against gaara seemed to be surpassing him when Sasuke considered Naruto to be a scrub and was so frustrated as it means to Sasuke that killing Itachi seemed like a far fetched joke if a scrub is now near or surpassing him in strength.)
Shikamaru may of had revenge on the mind but he didn't get so fixated he tried to kill his comrade because they were stronger than him. Also I would say that hidan was trash in comparison to itachi so really Shikamaru needed just a strat to beat hidan not a power booster like Sasuke. And still Shikamaru wouldn't kill allies in pursuit of revenge and power. As he isn't bloodlusted.
@I should've been the protagonist because their situations on revenge are entirely different
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi sasuke konohamaru gai kakashi gaara n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain
Funny enough, you actually can’t hit moves that OHKO in Pokémon unless you’re a higher level than the target Pokémon.
i think it also has something to do with speed. correct?
@@strider_hiryu850 no
Destiny bond goes brr
@@strider_hiryu850 Î think that is how it worked in like the first gen or so. Later on they changed it so speed doesn't factor in.
@@gamezocki that's crit chance
"Unless Kakashi Kamui's his head off" should be brought up in every Naruto VS battle from now on
you guys always do a great job not being biased and giving credit when credit is due. y’all aren’t to quick to jump to an answer and actually think it thru unlike most people
Kakashi beats Sasuke up until his Hebi version. Anything after that and Sasuke pretty much wins handily. I ain't going to mention DMS because that was only a temporary boost.
Exactly
And sauske after the war shits on DMS kakashi
@@mightguy3118 no lol he doesn’t. Their is not a single jutsu sasuke has that would touch kakashi. Dms kakashi is the most broken character in the show. His perfect susano combined with kamui is shitting on sasuke.
@@jamelgallagher6602 Adult Sasuke > kaguya, he shits on DMS kakashi
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Rinnegan Sasuke can teleport so DMS Kakashi kamui is useless. He can trade places with the kamui shuriken lol even teleport Kakashi into his chidori like he did Madara. Also DMS Kakashi doesn't last long enough to beat a top tier meanwhile Sasuke can fight for a whole day against other top tiers like Naruto Kaguya etc. Adult Rinnegan Sasuke will go to the Kamui dimension and destroy it lol 😆
I truly wish obito’s spirit remained with kakashi and it would be like a naruto/kurama dynamic. Imagine kakashi a 6th paths level kage. That would’ve been so dope
Damn, I H kinda want that too now
So instead of a demon fox Kakashi just gets to be haunted by a simp for eternity? What did Kakashi do to you?
@@if7723 bruh they got their resolve so it’s cool 😂
That's so unfair to Obito tho, the whole narrative point of him was letting him actually move on since he was a walking corpse the whole time
@@if7723 Naruto and Jirya are more of simps than Obito ever will be
Love that you guys take their fight mindset so seriously. It is so important what their intent is fighting each other as Sasuke really was sort of a different character before kage summit.
Like the channel a lot bro became a fan of anime few years ago finished naruto finally got my two fav characters against each other love it. Y'all remind me of of sports analysts but for anime. Keep em coming 🤙🏼
Not gonna lie, I miss these
Haku vs Kimimaro, they are never shown fight at their best and because of that they are always downplayed. The question is, who is downplayed more?
I think Kimimaro is way better. He’s a descendant of Kaguya Otsutsuki like Naruto and Sasuke, we’ve already seen that someone with powerful chakra (0-Tails Naruto) can shatter Haku’s crystal ice mirrors which is his strongest move. Kimimaro would probably easily break the mirrors.
Haku is downplayed more, because his only showing was butchering Sasuke and Naruto before they could walk on water, and then getting de-plotted by kyuubi
meanwhile, Kimimaro has a fair showing against Gaara (one of the few ninjas who can fly reliably, and rain down death) and his life hanging by a thread is well understood as well (moving purely on willpower, he'd be a fantastic green lantern lol)
In a fight, unless Haku starts with his kekai genkai active, he'd get blitzed.
What about Deidara vs healthy Kimimaro ?
@@yoklyujl7 lmao Deidara absolutely fucks Kimimaro up come on now. Kimimaro gets no-diffed by C4 and C0 so at worst Deidara ties him, however it’s very likely Kimimaro dies to C4 before C0 is even relevant. Sasuke only won his fight with Deidara because he happened to have the Sharingan and a variant of the transportation jutsu to reverse summon himself away from C0. Kimimaro doesn’t have those answers, Deidara is possibly his worst matchup.
@@Borchert97 That O Tails Naruto is even more powerful than Kakashi in the Land of Waves arc.
Bear in mind, Zabuza himself also says that Kakashi would lose to Haku.
So, Haku losing to an above Kakashi level threat isn’t much of an anti-feat.
What I find interesting is that not a lot of people talk about how kakashi got a donor sharingan and was able to awaken the mangekyo while not being a Uchiha. There has to be something to be said about that
It was awakened when obito was around though so maybe that has something to do with it?
@@dhamn7027 no, Obito awoken MS by Rins death. (So did Kakashi in the episode) But I like the original story where after so much use and skill he awakens it during the Naruto to Shippuden time skip.
Obito's chakra was still present in his sharingan, thus both obito and Kakashi were temporarily linked together. When obito awakened the MS so did Kakashi due to their link
I’m pretty sure it was really bc obito unlocked it
Maybe Obito was the one to unlock it, but Kakashi still had to learn to use it himself. Also I thought it was due to him killing Rin that awakened it and him being traumatized by it instead of Obito being traumatized.
You and swag both uploading more please do more videos we need more VS battles or Different Naruto What If ?? Love you’re videos
I think that kakashi would win if they finished that fight in the 5 kage summit arc ... but if sasuke was full power at the point (and not just really exhausted cause he fought all day) then its a bit different
Kakashi would have killed Sasuke there. They both used chidori and Sasuke sharingan wasn't active so he would of got countered
Sasuke got healed by Karin right before that so he wasn't exhausted
@@SRVaris yeah he was ... plus he was going blind already...
@@antonio19xy Nope he got healed(Karin's healing also restores Chakra & Stamina) right before he fought Kakashi so not exhausted but it is true he was going blind
@@SRVaris Nope stop capping, Karin restored a small amount of his chakra. Even after Sasuke almost kills her she starts to have dialect in her mind that Sasuke shouldn’t keep fighting because his chakra reserves are diminishing.
Kakashi was at full power and sasuke still almost bodies him. MS Sasuke at full power would one shot him.
I cant lie i love how much true praise you give each character as far as feats and capabilities. We all knew who was going to win but amazing detailed character power scale
Who doesn't get smile on their face when Seth or Swag has uploaded? For sure not me :)
@7:05
I honestly think Kakashi was congratulating the Rasenshuriken as ‘surpassing’ anything he had learned himself.
Base to base, Kakashi should still be able to out-box and slap around Naruto, like Kabuto did before Team 7 saw Sasuke that first time again.
Here, Naruto surpasses Kakashi in chakra and raw A.P., but Kakashi has the edge everywhere else.
Here’s a good question:
Is kage summit sasuke fast enough to dodge his own arrow?
Kakashi in theory might be able to blitz him with kamui
True. If kamui can teleport an arrow that's so fast u cant dodge it, I'm sure he could.kamui assume with ease. Susake ain't faster than that arrow.
@@dillianwhyte443 and tbh I don’t see a reason that the kakashi can’t slice away other parts of the susanoo if he can’t get rid of the arrow.
Plus I mean we aren’t even considering sasuke can barely see when they meet and just fought danzo, I really don’t see him actually winning in that exact circumstance.
Ok so kakashi is the strongest character in naruto , good job genius.
Kakashi would be able to Kamui Sasukes head off lmaoo if we talk about a speed blitz.
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi sasuke konohamaru gai kakashi gaara n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain
I know the video isn’t about pain but I’m glad you still included him😂 pain the goat 🐐
A swag video and a Seth video back to back….. you love to see it.
Easily one of your best versus videos loved it!
Imagine Seth uploading consistently
Kakashi was my favorite character the moment I saw him and always will be. At the begging when people like orochimaru were saying kabuto was as strong as kakashi I’ve never been more triggered 😭
Felt but Kabuto was a beast who challenged a mentally nerfed Tsunade
@@takatotakasui8307 kabuto was definitely strong but he would get clapped by kakashi in a head to head battle. Kakashi jutsu arsenal is way better plus his sharingan. Kabuto definitely impressed me vs tsunade but it was a tsunade who was out of fighting shape and really had nothing but brute strength.
kakashi just got stronger in shippuden
@@web_3393 yeah but they were literally called equals and he outsmarts kakashi there intellect is comparable and it’s been stated by orochimaru a genuis that at the time they were equal so it’s like 😂
Kakashi wasn't that strong at the start of OG Naruto, not only was Kabuto said to be equal to Kakashi but Asuma as well
Tbh I feel like this is kinda like Anakin vs Obiwan. Sometimes raw power and talent just can't compete with experience and intelligence. Plus kakashi spent pretty much the whole series fighting people way stronger than him.
The vs battle I didn't know how much I needed until I started watching
It's nice to see a new upload
This Goku video must be pretty perfect since Seths been uploading regularly now like were back in 2017 and 2018
I always wanted to see something like this from you.
What kakashi meant by Naruto surpassing him was probably the ability to apply a change in chakra nature to the Rasengan as he stated before he wasn't able to
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the preda path absorbs ninjutsu, jiraya loved to spam large scale ninjutsu and as you admitted the animal path was one of the stronger ones, just because the asura path has big missile doesn't mean it's more USEFUL in a fight. Obviously the human path is not one of the more combat oriented paths, but the paths were stronger when nagato was focusing more on them and could channel more chakra into a specfific path. Jiraiya was fighting the only 3 active paths at the time in the rain village those were the strongest versions of those paths that we ever saw and jiraiya didn't just fight them he killed them. They were just dead if he knew about pain he could've disposed of their bodies right there.
you're absolutely right
Uh. All 6 paths were active just not fighting Jiraiya...
And Jiraiya only beat them with frog song hacks.
He literally said against the animal path alone "if I fight them, I will die" and he went into sage mode and summoned ma and pa to help and still thought he'd lose til they said they had a super strong genjutsu....
@@daymianhogue1634 He wasn't pouring chakra into the other 3 paths, even if they were active, they were sitting around somewhere and nagato wasted no chakra on them. Also Jiraiya was a very cautious fighter, he said he will die in the fight but that was only after 3 or so attacks where pains defense was flawless (something we never see Pain do against Naruto cuz plot armor lmao) then Jiraiya retreats for like 3 minutes and then literally takes Pains defense apart even before the genjutsu kicks in. Like, One of the paths was trapped in the dark swamp, one was absorbing the fire jutsu and the animal path got trashed in taijutsu, they were done without the genjutsu even. He could've continued a regular assault and just kill them one by one in that situation, but played it safe and used something Nagato didn't expect. It was also a flawless victory against the 3 since the paths of pain didn't put a scratch on Jiraiya.
Do you think Naruto would've actually killed as many paths of pain as he did in his fight if he didn't have 2 reserve sage modes, 3 giant toads, katsuyu feeding him intel and Nagato being significantly weakened? Naruto had every advantage Jiraiya could only dream of.
@@yugislavia9870 I don’t think it’s very genuine to compare Naruto’s fight with pain to jiraya’s. Jiraya’s fight was okay ay more tactical and slower and where he fought pain allowed for much more ambushes with the Verticality and tight corridors. Naruto’s fight was much much more about directly fighting with pain in one big fight.
Jiraya already thought fighting 3 paths was a bit overwhelming for him to deal with, and 2 of the paths there were support paths and the third is a summoner with no way to directly defend itself in a unique way.
Being completely honest. I think jiraya would’ve gotten washed harder than naruto did in the hidden leaf fight.
@@PaleRook There were no ambushes, the whole fight was simply sage Jiraiya cautiously attacking like 3 times, then retreating into the pipes and then coming back to take them apart, like, that's the whole fight. It felt long, but it wasn't.
Naruto did use strategy to defeat the paths of Pain and the intel katsuyu gave him helped a lot, it saved him chakra he would've wasted on figuring things about Pain out himself. Their fight had a faster pace but there was undeniably strategizing. Pain also fought a lot more recklessly because he knew that he has to protect deva at all costs or he's done so he just threw the other pains at Naruto to stall.
In the Jiraiya fight, Pain kept up a flawless defense because time was on his side and Jiraiya was on the backfoot. If Jiraiya showed up with 3 giant toads to fight 6 weakened pains who were miles away from Nagato, with the strongest path not even moving for a good 5-10 minutes, while getting fed intel and while Nagato threw around his paths to 1v1 the opponent (which he did against Naruto) I think that Jiraiya wouldn't necessarily win but he'd do at the very least as much damage as Naruto did.
One thing I always assumed but realized was never actually stated was that the paths of Pain seem to be stronger individually, the less of them are being used. Like the Tendo Path takes significantly more damage than the other paths and keeps fighting (not counting the filler scenes against 6 tails naruto) and I always assumed that's because it was the last one so Nagato could focus all of his chakra on it. If that were the case, then the 3 that Jiraiya fought could have been stronger than the paths individually while they were invading the leaf. All 6 being active is still more dangerous, especially 6 vs 1 but Nagato was fighting an entire village while the Tendo and Asura path were killing Kakashi.
Could you make a video about the bad powercaling in Boruto?
yes
That'd be interesting.
I gotta say the subscribe button thing at the start was a piece of art.
I really did that to the subscribe button,now my screen’s broken.
So glad to see another Seth video
Some guy: *breathes*
Kakashi: _"He's surpassed me"_
Half irrelevant but I definitely would like to see a more in depth video on six paths dms kakashi vs spsm madara
Sasuke - stop using that eye like you deserve it
Kakashi - stop using that lightning blade like u invented it🤡
I'm still trying to figure out the difference between chidori and lighting blade
@@BitchChill pretty sure its a blade and chidori is lightening rasengan
@@BitchChill lighting blade is chidori moving through a sword but it is weaker than normal chidori
sasuke amp the chidori a whole bunch he made it better
@Down 4 sasuke took dubs before shit on danzo and deidara
Bro Seth been going crazy lately
My yt recommended been kinda dry lately and yesterday swag dropped and now Seth dropped? Let’s gooo
Kakashi is my favorite character. I like the potential he has even among naruto, sasuke, and itachi.
We know that Kakashi is obviously MASSIVELY stronger during the War-Arc, to the point where I think people actually UNDERESTIMATE his feats in the war-arc, especially after he gets pissed because of Zabuza Edo Tensei.
But the question remains WHEN does he gain that strength? I think there's two ways to think about it. One, his talk with his father while dead cleared his 'blocks' in his mind, and his chakra immediately started to increase, and he just got massively stronger because of that, with nothing limiting his chakra and powers now. (Perhaps even the resurrection itself helped his body?) Then with some casual training to get used to these new levels of chakra, that's why he's stronger.
I personally lean towards my second theory which is, his talk with his father did clear his blocks but what they did was massively increase his TRAINING rate. Which makes sense, considering if War Arc Kakashi fought Five-Kage Sasuke, welp. Not much to say besides bye-bye Sasuke. I'd go with the wager that while Five-Kage Summit Kakashi IS stronger. I don't think at this point he's massively stronger.
I think it's pretty fair to say that Pein Kakashi does in fact beat Sasuke of the Itachi fight probably... 7/10? 8/10? times.
Admitedly it's hard to say, because we neve actually see 'full power' Pein. When he fights Naruto he's weakened. Kakashi clearly isn't on the same tier as Pein. Jiraiya clearly isn't either. Naruto only even beat Pein because Pein was weakened, naruto had prep time, the full toad clan, his seal broke, and then didn't he somehow after having his seal restructured come out of the Satellite in Sage Mode? Like, literally the only reason naruto even got close to winning tbh was that Pein was weakened + Hinata is suicidal. My point with this is, I don't think Kakashi losing to Deva Pein is bad at all. Remember, even if he's holding back this IS a full-power Pein who fought the six tails kyuubi just with Deva after destroying Konoha and fight naruto who used sage mode multiple times.
Overall, I actually think people underrate both Pein AND Kakashi, while slightly overrating sage mode Naruto. I'd even go as far to say that Kakashis fight against Kakuzu was more impressive then Sasuke's fight against Deidara, but that's a whole different conversation.
Peinis
Kirin still requires a certain amount of precipitation in the atmosphere. Wouldn't make sense for it to always work
Could prob whip it out still, would just cost more chakra, whipped it out vs Naruto and there wasn’t emphasis on heavy clouds.
im pretty sure he used actually lighting to amp it but he can just do it with just regular charka
@@oeuxi1145 literally go to the description of the attack on the wiki:
_Sasuke draws _*_natural lightning directly from thunder clouds_*_ to supplement the power of his strike and controls it with chakra. _*_Unlike_*_ most techniques, _*_which are based on the user's chakra_*_ , this one uses the natural lightning, which - as noted by Zetsu - reaches the ground in 1/1000th of a second_
It's not crazy to think kakashi could copy kirin considering he copied perfect susanoo from Sasuke.
@@Mj783980 He was going to use it against Team 7 on a sunny day. Probably because Kishimoto hadn't really thought out fully the Kirin technique, but it was never fully retconned so yeah, he can use it on his own, but probably requires a lot of chakra.
30th video of asking Seth to power scale Mythology. I did it boys
Didn't expected you so early!!
Remember when Kakashi used Sharingan once against Zabuza and couldn't move for a week? Fun times.
I wanna mention the kirin thing, there is no clouds in the sky when he try’s to kirin team 7 meaning that it would not be even close to the same power level it was against itachi. They likely would have survived, but been taken out of commission
The way I would explain this in-universe is that he has two ways to use Kirin, he can either prep it with Fire Style and command natural lightning, or he can inject his Lightning Style into the sky to create artificial lightning.
@@Borchert97 yeah, I was just saying that it would be weaker without the prep
Might be more taxing on him as well, so if that's true, it'd be weaker and more taxing. Maybe just flexing
that would prolly be an appeal to reality fallacy.
@@GrokeytheHunter I WOULDNT SAY IT WOULD BE WEAKER ALL DEPENDS HOW MUCH CHAKRA TO PUT IN IT PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER DURABILTY NOT LITRALLY SMART POWERFUL CHARACTER KNOW WATS GOING KILL THERE OPPONET AND WAT CAN KILL THEMSELF ALSO ORICHRUMO SAID DONT LITRALLY KINDA SAYING LIKE HEY IF USE THIS JSUTU YOUR GONNA KILL THE 9 TAILS HOST CAUSE CONFLICT WITH AKTASUKI
One thing to note about sasuke vs deidara is sasuke was actually holding back not going for the kill cause we was only trying to get information about itachis location
He stopped holding back during the fight.
Held back at the start, started trying when he had to use chidori on himself to green that one prison justu that puts the microscopic bomb bugs in the body
Nope, he still held back Kirin cuz he was saving for Itachi. Even deidara admitted this.
Sasuke was holding back the whole fight cuz he couldn't kill Deidara he wanted information
@@Rck-vert
When? At the end when Sasuke punched Deidara instead of stabbing him? When they were on the clay dragon Sasuke hit him with a chidori and said I missed your vitals on purpose
Yooo! a Seth upload always makes my day
This is crazy. I was just watching the sauske vs Kakashi fight and then this popped up..LETS GO!!!!!!
Could you Guys make a video doing Pain (nagato) x Sasuke? Or Itachi x Sasuke? That would be Dope Man.
Some of the coolest characters fighting each other is always Dope
I think they did Sasuke vs the Akatsuki on Swags page
Itachi slaps any form of Sasuke until the 5 Kage summit. Then Danzo fight Sasuke puts up a good fight against itachi, but will lose to itachi in the end. Edo tensei itachi and Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke are about even. Any version of Sasuke beyond the Kabuto fight destroys itachi negative difficulty.
6 paths of pain stomp any form of Sasuke before Danzo fight Sasuke. Danzo fight Sasuke takes out 5/6 paths, but loses to deva path’s chibaku tensei. Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke would beat the 6 paths of pain, but would get mid diffed by edo nagato. Post Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke low-mid diffs edo nagato. This is my opinion.
Sorry I'm sure this has been answered before but the naruto vs ichigo fight, is it to the death or to submission?
Until Naruto can talk him out of it
Both is valid. Since it's a death battle. Victory means killing the opponent. You answered your own question
ichigo godstomps baryon naruto in seconds no diff according to feats and naruto is not even continental level
@@andrewdasilva7786 watch seththeprogrammer video about how naruto characters(some of them) are at least planetary. Might changed your mind and gives you a proper perspective on powerscaling in the narutoverse.
2:19 i was actually thinking of this scene recently. not remembering the dialogue, i thought: well maybe this was a signal. if Sasuke were to bring his arm down, it would've meant a large group; a squadron, if you will: would pop out of the ruble, and sand, and attack "Team" "7". but no, it was what would later turn out to be Kirin.
12:38 i just now realized, the colours of Kakashi's Mangekyo are swapped in this shot.
~15:38 i think it was just adrenaline. so to speak. i mean, this is fiction. these characters don't actually have hormones. but in universe, it's just adrenalin.
i think we concluded that Mr. Uchiha claps another shinobi's cheeks. what a surprise! the Uchiha are overpowered.
The fact that they did not low ball Kakashi in this video was very nice!
Now this puts a smile on my face
Speaking of Kakashi's ability to use Kamui. Obito's fight with Minato proved you can change the speed of Kamui. So maybe there are conditions of which he can use his kamui at different speeds.
No one talking about how Kakashi can open the first gate too while it's only 1 gate this early on that's a big boost.
One MS Kakashi post Pain arc is very underrated in strength. He is genuinely relative to the top tiers in the Akatsuki.
If Kakashi scales to 7th Gate Gai, that must be true
Another W Seth swag and chuck vid
Seth and swag teaming up its a scary sight🔥🔥
Basicly every video
One thing I need put to rest. Does the Chidori/Raikiri give you a speed boost? Some say it does. Other's say it doesn't and I just don't know who to believe.
It does thats why you need the sharingan to see through the tunnel vision
The way I read it made me think that using Chidori/Raikiri involves the caster needing to move faster than a normal person’s eyes can see. That’s why Minato told a young Kakashi that the technique was incomplete and that he shouldn’t use it because of the tunnel vision that moving so fast creates. Never really got the feeling that the jutsu itself made the user move faster, just that using it necessitates moving super duper fast. I think if it gave the user a speed boost, then we would have seen it used to avoid something that a character couldn’t have otherwise avoided.
@@davecommentary yeah the user needs to actually be that fast, that’s why sasuke had to copy lee while learning chidori. And then while he was fighti gaara they pointed out how he was copying lee but couldn’t continuously maintain that speed like lee could
@@davecommentary but then the rasengan would be the same as it, you still have to run and hit someone. Otherwise people could just use chidori to hit someone like the rasengan
It requires massive speed to do it. Minato states that Kakashi goes faster than he can perceive when he didn’t have the Sharinghan.
So this isn't about Kakashi or Sasuke but they brought up an interesting point about jiraiya getting caught off guard. What kind of bugged me for the longest time is if he's in Sage Mode how did he not sense the ambush. Maybe that's not how it works but I've always thought it just seemed unlikely he'd be caught off guard that much.
Ayo Seth, have you ever thought about scaling or ranking fighting manga like Baki or Kengan Asura/Omega?
Always love kakashi dissecting or versus battle for kakashi.
Seth let's go Kakashi vs orochimaru!
“Also known as Chuck and Clyde” lmao😂😂😂 I love you guys!
Hey Seth, I’m building my own characters in my story, I’m wondering. Can you tell me what gives a character good scaling and good feats? Love the vid so far!
Edit: I’ll post the link to the first few chapters soon
You're writing your own story? Nice! Good luck with that MELLOWDRAMA!
Wouldn’t focus on the feats too much as it might muddy the story. Best way to do things are statements or direct showings. For example outrunning a lightning bolt, speed of lightning. Dodging light, light speed. Another example “he’s going to destroy the planet, solar system, sun, etc.” though if it’s something the story can recover from, just have them do it. Showing is always better than telling!
Gradually make characters stronger. And have other characters that are strong as a point of reference
Usually, people make it where characters start off basic, then builds their way up to planet level or something. The thing with fictional characters, is some characters are meant to be galactic level, and some are meant to be like city block level. Also, people like it when characters have interesting pasts, like a sad one, which affects the way they behave years later into the present.
PLEASE don’t focus on scaling and feats just the balance and consistency is all that’s necessary. Scaling messes up a lot of stories Dragon Ball Super all power no plot
I think if Shisui was made up of Hashirama cells he'd easily be the strongest ever. Spamming Koto amatsukami would be OP
What does that jutsu do
@@Sub4AWillToLive basically makes you do somthing that the caster want for example shisui use it on naruto and make him destroy the leaf in narito head the genjutsu makes it he's own will and idea to destroy the village so basically mind control
@@luckywoo2120 it's mind control on a extremely high level only down side it can likely be broken out of just like Any other genjustu
@@fork-man it can broken out but unless someone finds out there in a genjutsu with the byakugan there’s no really way to find out someone had been casted by it
@@siru47 truh because the persone under the genjutsu dont act in a way that it looks like he's mind control wich makes it even more op
Is possible Kakashi’s eye was such a massive drain that it made him much weaker then he actually was, until the war arch where he mastered it
Y’all dropping bangers on tax time😭😭🤣🤣🔥
Name a better trio than Seth, Swag, and Clyde.
Kakashi beats everyone because I'm bias
@I should've been the protagonist agree
@I should've been the protagonist definitely
Rarely anyone with out a sharingan wins against an uchiha unless your Naruto, hashirama, or some hax cyborg/shinobi 😭😭
and probably guy
Senju's are known to whoop Uchihas back in their prime
Jiraiya didn't just look at 6 paths and go "oh yeah, I can't damage tendo and asura" like these two are implying. As far as he was concerned, he had just killed three paths. Then, there were now six, with three of the six having been who he had just killed. He knows he can't KILL them. It had nothing to do with him somehow acknowledging that two of the three new paths present were paths he can't beat. I don't even know how that came up. He just had a full scale battle with three paths, then lost an arm after being caught off guard. Clearly, he saw SIX OF THEM and knew he'd lose because he's down an arm and he now knows they're 'unkillable'. It had nothing to do with any a specific path (of which he doesn't know the abilities of) showing up.
You two had the information wrong. Naraka path wasn't in that fight until the end when the animal path presumably summoned the other three paths. Though, it doesn't change much of the discussion in this instance. Jiraiya fought Human, Animal, and Preta. Bum paths though? 2/3 definitely weren't. Are they sleeping on the Pain that causes the second most headaches? Preta top three.
It's shonen. It's not exactly uncommon for the attacking character to tell someone that their guard is down as they're attacking. It doesn't imply that Pain is fast at talking or is so powerful Jiraiya would lose that arm regardless of the sentence or not. It's simple anime shit. It doesn't make sense, but it doesn't make Jiraiya lower or Pain higher on the scale, lmao.
Pain doesn't get an insane speed feat for 'dodging a point-blank raikiri'. Kakashi had a chakra rod in him that made it easy to dodge.
I feel like Swag has always overrated Asura and underrated Praeda.
Finally another video with the two of you!! this video slaps. Also who do you think would win between rinnegan Sasuke and DMS Kakashi?
Kakashi slaps
Gotta defend my Jiraiya boi there ngl, given the distance between Nagato and Paths of Pain in Rain Village vs the distance between him and Paths in Konoha had to have an enormous impact on how strong they were, even when it comes to the weakest Paths
9:10 y'all gotta stop with low balling Jiraiya. Jiraiya said that because he had no clue of the Rinnegan's powers as a whole not because of those 3 paths distinctive abilities.
Definitely nagato admitted that jiraya would have won if he knew the six paths abilities. Jiraya definitely is stronger than sage mode naruto in the pain arc
@@X0ver7 nah pain even if jiraiya new all of the pains powers he would still lose
@@ritxual-8719 yep, but we would've win By hax tho