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Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K vs a RED
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2019
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So Black Magic did just release more Raw options which seem much better than DNG Raw. Not as universally accepted as REDCode as of now but we'll likely see updates on editing software.
So Raw may now become the common setting for the BMPCC4k.
I like taking photos and occasionally shoot a vlog but primarily I'm interested in a more affordable option for making a movie. I like a lot of what I see in the BM and the price is amazing, but I am still on the fence. Great Potato, do you have any suggestions for me?
Going to remake this video later then, after you get a chance to play around with BMRaw?
Time for a revisit.. RAW is out since a while
www.newsshooter.com/2018/09/15/blackmagic-raw-explained-ibc-2018/ its a game changer
At 5:52 I like how she said "Our money." You should've been like "B*tch, I make 95% of the money, f*ck your teaching job."
The Red looks “better” as far as looking more filmic right out of the gate. But it doesn’t look $18,700+ better, that’s for sure. Especially since I feel like you can get the BMPCC 4K to look like the Red in post-production; if not better. Blackmagic has democratized and revolutionized the filmmaking industry. For better or for worse!
Your honesty is legendary 🤩👌👌...
"...I never will do this again ...until my viewcount drops probably..."
This is so tru ..every youtuber should only have 25 % of your honesty and it would be even a better place 💪😎
The Blackmagic is so easy to grade in davinci resolve - esp when shooting in raw. When you take the price into account, the clear „winner“ is the BMPCC4K - but of course the Red is just an amazing workhorse in a production environment. 😊
Everybody says that of course and you would think that color should not be an issue in any situation if you shoot raw, but I am getting incresingly worried about the way the P4K renders the color red. You could see it very clearly that in the teachers strike footage everything red had a strong magenta tint. To the point where it was actually really bothering. I have seen this in some other videos as well and I have a feeling that it affects the greens as well as skin tones negatively. I want to like this camera so bad but...
nordfresse My experience with colors are extremely positive- no issues at all with my BMPCC4K
Take the amount of more hard disk space you need compared to red....over the time it will be the same price.
@@EMBEVIDEO But what do you say to the strange intense red colors in the teachers strike footage of this video?
nordfresse not the best grading I guess
Good comparison video. Things are looking UP.
Glad blackmagic kept their quality UP with the pocket 4k
Oh hey rudy
comment something else bro
Yosua Mokalu damn bro
Love ur vids bro
Sweet comparison, and the colors on the RED look really pleasing VS the BMPCC4K! The only issue I have with your video is giving the RED a pro for having an articulating screen. The 4.7" RED monitor cost $1,450USD and the 7" monitors cost over $2.5K, while at least the Black Magic comes with a monitor in the first place. You could buy an Atmos Ninja V or a Feelworld F5 for a cheaper articulating screen solution.
Can you make a t-shirt with a potato that has a jet on the butt? I need one.
I lost it when he said MUTED! 😂😂😂😂
K Soul Shit had me rollin’ bruh 🤣
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Dude! I love your channel.. you could talk about toilet paper and I’d listen!!
I'll be surprised if he really does it.
KevinMulia a lot to talk about inside the world of TP.. haha!!
Gintama made an entire episode on toilet paper so I am sure PJ can talk a lot on it too!
haha true!
he could probably talk about it for a good 20 minutes too.
Genuinely man, you are one of my favorite creators on RUclips. You are honest, funny, factual, entertaining, and you take the time to show/explain details that other people skip over. Keep it up man. You rock.
When are you going to giveaway that Red camera?
Even your dog is in tripod mode.
SHIT this reply is god
*When the comment is more of a god than you.
Not Funny dude... ok a Little Bit ;)
This comment is underrated dude take several seats , nah man you crack me up
you should write a sitcom!
Woah! They came really close especially in low light BMPCC 4K crushed the low light capabilities against the RED. Really loved it!
Dude, I gotta tell ya, you are one of my favorite tubers. Not only do I learn a bunch of cool filmmaking sh*t from you, but you're always good for a laugh! Always stoked to see the notification on my phone that you've uploaded another vid!
I was deciding between this two, this video convinced me
I'm too poor for both :D
7:59 You forgot to sell your luts!
It seems like Blackmagic is for sure the way to go in my eyes anyway, crazy how much RED has tried to wiggle into the RUclips community thiugh
Dude, the fact that we can even have this comparison is AMAZING... Thank you for this...
Thank you so much for this video, now I can easily explain to clients the difference in between the tiny camera they see me using and "big movie set cameras" lol I don't really understand why there aren't more filmmakers obsessed with the BMPCC!! It's so lightweight and easy to hide, ahah! As a female director I love being able to have this grab and go camera that I gives me so much amplitude to work with in post! It fits in my purse you guys! BEST INVESTMENT EVER didn't even break the bank!
Here I am, watching a comparison of the cameras I can’t afford... 😩🤣
I live in Brazil so it makes a camera I can't afford x5
1300$ is really not that much for a video camera
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sebastian Waitzer Boy, I pay $2,700 for my apartment. FOH with that bs. There’s being broke and then there’s being broke broke lol
Can you do "BMPC4k vs whatever camera Matti brings down from Canada"?
Do BMPCC 4K vs Arri Alexa next
One of our fav channel these days. Keep up the good work! :)
I think the black magic's additional color graded work that it needs is worth the time considering the cost savings up front, depending on the use it'll be intended for. This video was great.
We can still use 2 luts no BM BRAW and have a great finished look in seconds
So far I've had a great time with the bmocc4k there's really nothing like it in that price range. Great comparison Mr potato!
The reason the Black Magic Pocket 4k has weird greens and magentas is because it doesn't have a built in IR cut filter like most cameras. Slap an IR cut filter and you see a big improvemnet on the color.
How do you only have 259k subs? Your videos are awesome, informative, and you not like a production snob like most of them who think, "We see the world differently, they don't understand." Keep them coming. So good!
Omg finally Boy from Up!
Greetings and Love from Hanover Germany!
nice greetings from saarlouis the kaff
Greeting from Berlin :)
Greetings from Munich!
Krauts go away with your UPlifting jokes
Greetings from Cologne :)
The Red has something like an „Infrared light“ filter built in. The black magic not. So if you are use an ND Filter That dont stop that or something like an infrared light filter the colours on black magic shift in an not so sexy way.
You can of course buy an IR cut filter to compensate but worth noting.
Hey! That`s my picture at the end. Thank`s for featuring it!
Think I would chose the RED, just because the name is so much better than BMPCC4K.
Black Magic looks waaaay more pleasing to my eye. Tones, detail, shadows- all great.
DoF looks a little better on the RED.
Great video!
Why dont you compare the camera with others in a similar price range? I would be really interested in a compare with the Sony A7iii or the panasonic gh5. Do you think the BMPCC is any better?
It competes with hi-end cameras.I"ve seen comparison with GH5 which is amazing camera but BMPCC4k for half the price is killer.The RAW and ProResHQ gives it superior performance.Cheers.
Because the BMPCC4K whomps cameras in it's similar price range simply due to the 12-Bit RAW internal recording capability. Everything else is shooting compressed formats in 8-bit. Comparing grape juice to a vineyard. It depends on the projects you're shooting though, and the required turnaround times and delivery avenues. Sometimes, other more compressed format cameras are a better choice for a given shoot. Editing and grading 4K RAW footage requires a lot of horsepower.
I agree with the general statement, but the GH5 offers 10-Bit with up to around 400 mbit/s 4K footage, with V-Log. It is indeed great for color grading. Of course RAW is superior, but still, very usable @@MudreFilms
You know I disagree, I haven't seen any footage which is actually better than the 'lower spec' (in terms of pure image quality) cameras. For starters, usability impacts the end result because it's so much more complicated to get a decent shot that a Sony would get in 2 mins. Secondly, the colour science is always slightly off with BM cameras, even URSA's aren't quite there personally. It's just annoyingly wrong. Reviewers talk about the dynamic range but then the colour grade always sucks, unlike the RED. I wouldn't send out a Sony clip like that BM clips. Sensor size does impact aesthetic and I think this slightly loses the mark in terms of a tiny sensors.
Some of these are subjective of course. But I think it's important to have accuracy that can then be subjectively changed later, like with the RED. The BM obviously struggles with this.
People talk about the ProRes because it's a pro feature but people seem to struggle to make it work. It always looks stylised and probably not because that's the intention.
It's sort of better but I just don't think it quite pulls it off. I'm not bashing on it because I do think it's an interesting camera but the whole vineyard comment is just silly because it looks rubbish next to a RED.
@@MudreFilms $1300 for 12-Bit RAW recording?? that's good shit
Kari: “We can’t afford nice furniture because you spend all our money on camera gear”
Me: laughing while sitting at the desk I found for free on the side of the road.
Also me: okay, Kari, hit us where it hurts
One of your best videos so far, please shoot more on the black magic camera :)
i love how humble he is.
Not gonna lie, I am really surprised by the poll. There is a definite difference between the RED and BMPCC.
I also figured you wouldn't carry around a RED at a protest haha
The tripod dog is the best. Please do a review of him
I saw footage where the BMPCC 4K matched the Gemini in low light, which is astonishing.
Finally really nice to see a side by side comparison between these two, there were moments I actually did like the colour on the BMPCC and vice versa...thanks Potato Jet for this detailed comparison!👍
You know your girlfriend is special when she lets ya spend all your money on gear XD
Kobeboy15 lol, that’s the difference between girlfriend and wife
@@petrub27 Literally NO difference. My wife lets me buy what I want in camera gear. lol.
She got a recessed chin lmao
@cumquatrct3Personally for me, Even when we weren't married, that's how it was anyways. We had more money together than separate. My personal experience anyways. lol. I know not a lot of couples do that.
all is vanity
his color treatment with bmpcc4k was not complete, and neither could very honestly improve.
This was published today and has 300 comments already... You are killing it Potato Jet!
Best way to start the day is with a Potato Jet video!
Windows 97? damn it's XP
there wasn't even any Win 97 only 95 and 98 as far as I know...
It's pretty close, it seems like XP is Windows 97
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no u
DarklingGolem perfect use of the no you😂
@@simkarte123 .... there was a windows 97 dude.
Tomato 🍅 Jet. I mean potato jet good video loved it do you ever go to Orange County to film ?
100% support for the teacher's unions!
Maybe BMPCC anamorphic comparison with smartphone with Moondog, RED, Arri etc..... ?
I've noticed when shooting Raw on the pocket camera if you change the color space in Davinci Resolve to P3 D60 the greens are represented way more accurately. Maybe you could try this trick on your footage and see if it comes closer to the RED?
In my experience the Pocket4K needs IR cut. Was that part of your setup as well? That would most likely help on the greens you experience is "dirty".
You can notice the jacket on the dude to the left in the shot at 17:10 has this strong magenta cast. IR Cut, Fixed!
Perhabs you should to shoot in raw and then use Davinci Color Management / ACES conversion for BMPCC4K material for better results.
But I totally agree that BM still can't achieve good color conversion math like Red did it in IPP2 or ARRI in their cameras.
Since 2012 year. This is sad. Especially if we know that BM makes their software that contains a lots of this math.
blackmagic will probably add it to their cameras in a firmware update
Such a great channel man, these kids dont know youre spreading like thousands of dollars and hours worth of knowledge in these little videos. Cameras can be super intimidating for any filmmaker and you make it approachable.
Thanks to Potato Jet I shoot everything in 24fps. Thank you Professor Potato Jet!
It's so halarious this Body to Lens Ratio in 10:30 haha
Yeah lmaoo
The Pocket has a 1.89 crop. Not 2x.
Lol basically a 2x
@@CoveringFish Lol you're basically stupid.
VariTimo dang bro you just got ROASTED
Did I? Have you ever shot the same prime lens on the Pocket and then a true 2x crop camera or vice versa?
VariTimo was kidding man - dude love you
If you are having trouble grading bmpcc4k footage I would recommend using the bmpcc4k to extended video lut. It is a really good starting point for grading.
I feel like you're the tuber I can rely on to actually do a behind the scenes video with bloopers. I struggle getting my sentences out and it would good to see how many takes or mistakes and brain pauses others have as no one seems to wanna share this info. Cmon PJ share the love.
You know how you said that you will giveaway the gear you review on the video..can I get the BMPCC 4k
JK.
You grade (wrong LUT or whatever) the BMPCC4K totally wrong and you're complaining about wrong colors then!?
It's my first time hitting "thumbs up" before watching a video. You are amazing man! Big love from Kiyv, Ukraine!
@ 4:48 "... just to make sure it doesn't just fall off because that would be... kinda sad I guess? ... " Love the attitude haha
fujifilm xt3
for auto focus yes
@@MA-fh7ui yeah
It's for video graphy, whereas black magic is for cinematography.
If you were asking for a comparison, 100% agree. Also, PotatoJet if you're reading. would like to see if you can use its 30 fps photos for video. That's 6k+ and raw.
@@TheJudge064 that 30fps i think is fake
and fujifilm xt3 could be a m50,80d replacement
@@po6160 yeah i'm also waiting for a comparisons between the xt3 and maybe a red
Where's m50 vs red!? AND THE GIVAWAYS???
Red giveaway?!
@@srapko , LOL that would be awesome but he would need to have many sponsors before he could do that. But sorry,no. I mean a bunch of give aways he's been bragging about a few videos ago.
m50 is trash, why would you even compare that to a RED
Because of the give away after the video
@@John69420 , sounds like you're a Camera Conspiracy FAN!
Just the fact you are comparing the pocket to the red is das incredible.
8:55 "Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K dfpsdfse....F**k that name..." Dead haha!!!
"this looks like the Windows 97 wallpaper" Excuse me tomato jet, but there's no such thing as windows 97 lol
"In the spring of 1997, Microsoft said that Memphis - then the codename for Windows 97 - would ship by the end of the year. But in July, Microsoft revised the date to the first quarter of 1998."
So maybe he was a beta tester. Or maybe it's ALL wrong because that wallpaper was from Windows XP hahaa :) : ): :) ) : )) :: P) ):: ) :P):P) )P: : : : ) ))
The only channel worth clicking that bell for! Good luck teachers! Keep UP the good fight!
If we only had more school teachers with the soul of Potato Jet, this world would be a better one!
Damn, I never expected to like the image of the Blackmagic more than the red. Maybe I'm putting it on my wishlist.
Yo, PJ! As an educator, I appreciate you even mentioning what's going on in education around the country. Much love to the LA teachers out there and best of luck. They deserve all the good things. (Oh, and great video, by the way...)
Very impressive results from the BM. But the Red takes the prize here in most cases. Right tool for the job hey! Nice comparisons, thanks for the video!
Love your channel! I watch all of your videos. Keep it up! Please do more cinema camera rig tours! I love seeing your setups for projects.
You need an IR-cut filter for the pocket 4k that's why the greens look more yellow.
Fantastic video, surprised by the results.( I didn't expect the BM to hold up so well, wow it packs a punch for such a small camera)
I hope the teachers get the raise they much deserve!
That setup though #epic
FINALLY!, GREAT Comparison Boss. i knew the BMPCC4K would outperform that particular RED sensor and internal processing. As I've been demonstrating and Stating, Price Does NOT=Equal image quality. it ALL about "Technological" Advancements. But some members of our Species you just can't teach ANYTHING!.
As for the Comparison of image quality, The BMPCC4K would have even done better! if more care was taken with f-Stops / Exposure in a few of the shots. Now all the skeptics out there KNOW the TROOF! (That's Ghetto for Truth) of what the BMPCC4K is capable of for 1/40th and higher the price.
You were %96.4 Fair to the BMPCC-4K in your Comparison.
Again, Great! job. The world will continue to watch what is the Absolute Best Channel on this subject of film production Technology.
Thanx Again, We appreciate you taking the pain in de ass time to do this.
D.
The cameras aren't even that important now that I've seen your 3 legged dog, he's so damn GORGEOUS
OMG! YOU USED IPP2 FINALLY! (After about 3-4 comparison videos of me yelling in the comments about legacy color science. lol)
Hi there, maybe you should try BMCC 2.5K, the image is more cinematic then the pocket 4k, also the green cast is more vibrant
With a website saturated with gear videos, yours stand out among the rest!
Good video. I have a Scarlet and a GH5 and its the same story. Both crazy good and usable. Just depends on resources and the job.
The "time to turn on" factor is something more camera reviewers need to mention. The c300mk2 I use turns on pretty fast, but often not fast enough. As a documentary camera they should really try to make it as close to instantly as possible.
I started off filming with the bmpcc. Eventually upgraded to the bmmcc. Sold those off and now I own the epic w. Was looking for a smaller low maintenance cinema camera to film with, when the epic w just wouldn't work b/c of its size or not having the manpower or time. Couldn't find anything in the price bracket of 1-3K for what I was looking for. UNTILLLLL the bmpcc4k. It's a great camera alongside the Red! ...To anyone who has a budget of 1K-4K and wants that cinematic/filmic look rather than a video look, Idk what you're doing if you aren't looking at the bmpcc4k! :-)
Have you noticed any major changes in audio quality since upgrading from the blue yeti to the sm7b for your videos? Like a “worth the $300 extra and not having a built in preamp for ease of use,” difference?
Monster video as always PotatoJet!!! Have you checked out the ZCam E2. It looks pretty damn promising in terms of price to performance. Same sensor as the pocket 4k, but with a different style body and a more beefy processor so you can get higher dynamic range and 4k 120.
Yes!!! I made it onto Potato Jet’s video. I’ve made it!
I wonder if Potato Jet would ever comment on mine? 🙏 Or even better, film with me?!
REDs start up times! Ug!! With a bunch of modules attached sometimes we wait over 2 minutes for full boot up.
I love how honest you are
I notice from your footage that the Red has better high light roll-off than the BPCC. But the BPCC is still a great camera to have for as a B camera for the Red. Yeah, the rain is kicking our butt in L.A.
when your internet is trash but u still want to see the video in 1080p so u spend 30min in a 16min video
Wow, i tought the footage was the Red. Sharp, dynamic, great colours.
The production quality of this is insane
Shot a short film on the pocket. I was impressed by it and the black magic raw!
I like how for everyone the quality difference is so obvious. 89-11 is a huge gap. All thanks ro your previous videos i think.
your dogs look like they had so much fun
That Blackmagic Camera is really amazing. People who compare it to DSLR for vlogging are missing the point... I own the BMMCC and love the quality of the video in ProRes 422. Looking forward to owning the BMPCC4K at some point.
Happy to lend my Ursa Mini Pro if you'd ever like to do a side by side. I think it has a few more advantages over the PC4k that makes it much more comparable or even better in instances then the Epic!
the highlight roll off is so beautiful on the RED
Yeah the Gemini is so nice. Just shot with anamorphic on the Gemini and man..... so lovely. So buttery.
Came on the channel for the osmo pocket review, now i know everything i never needed to know for when i ever enter a Red vs Blackmagic debate.
Love the channel, keep it it up.
Maybe for the amature mortals under us a nice topic of making film with your phone.. is filmpic pro or lumafusion worth it, or stick with native app?
The red is a very contrasty camera I just got this characteristic like green shado fill that's how it was easy to tell the difference between the black magic and the red
In a controlled studio environment, the BMPCC, otherwise RED camera, I just love the very clean and delicious image (except the low light, well, of the camera shown)