Epic Blade Battle: Civivi Qubit Takes on WE Knives in a Showdown!
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- TESTING A BUDGET KNIFE VS A PREMIUM KNIFE THE CIVIVI AND WE KNIFE QUBIT, ONE IN 20CV AND THE OTHER IN 14C28N STEEL, IN THIS VIDEO IM DOING AN EDGE RETENTION TEST BETWEEN 14C28N VS CPM20CV STEEL TEST. TESTING THE HANDLE FINISH DURABILITY AND MORE. THIS IS A FULL TEST TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN A BUDGET KNIFE AND A PREMIUM KNIFE.
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Jared, I have one comment, it’s constructive, but it’s not criticism! I think that you are genius without realising it! The fact that you blade didn’t touch the cutting board on many cuts actually eliminates dulling the edge on wood, making it a much more accurate test. If you’re interested in the opinion of a geezer that has been testing military equipment for a living for the past 12 years, yours is a better test.Well done!
that is a great point thank you, i need to figure out how to doit without taking away the feet it can add up to, i know i can pick it up and just let the blade follow though with the card board off of the surface, the problem is that its difficult for me to get small straight cuts over and over i wind up using way more cardboard because i cant do as many cuts with one piece that way.
@@NeevesKnives what if you placed a strip of foam exactly 1 inch wide, that would stop the blade before your knuckles hit the board? Just an idea this way for each cut you losing one inch which you can add up in the end and subtract the exact number of inches or feet.
@@NeevesKnivesYou could just use 13" cardboard and don't cut all the way through then clean up would also be easier as well.
With my cardboard cut tests, I cut the cardboard 15 inches, I make a 90 degree fold at 12 inches. I cut until the fold hits/stops the belly of the knife so the cuts stay together and I can count them along with the 1.5 inch cutting edge section that's being tested never touches anything except the cut. Works great, each cuts 1 foot so it's quick to count and the part of the cutting edge that's being tested never touches anything except the cut.
@EDCandLace that's so funny you said that because I was thinking I could try and find something over 12 make a line then cut to line, however I would hate to mark 300 pieces
I really like this idea of a showdown between budget and premium knife models. Keep em coming!
As someone who can't see or handle a knife before buying (ahem..) I rely a whole lot on reviewers like yourself to make informed decisions when buying knives. As you know its an expensive hobby (literally double as expensive where I am!) This type of video is so massively helpful man. Thank you, genuinely. Love the channel, keep it up
This is how you film a knife review. Alot of ppl do good ergo reviews and cut tests, but the abuse + sharpening is clutch 👌
Jared - Hands down, the best video you’ve made. I’ve watched for a year or so.
I judge RUclips expertise based on you. You know your shit and you’re all in. Thanks man.
I watch all your videos, and this was probably my favorite one. You’re the best when it comes to knife gurus keep doing your thing brother
thank you
Love this format: same size, similar shape, overall check, edge retention.
Please go ahead on that, good job.
I want to see one with the stropping added in. A with the strop and without edge retention test.
That would be cool.
Love the microscope and standardized cut tests, some real broscience going on here 🤙
Just got my Civivi Qubit. Unless I win a lottery I don't foresee ever getting the WE version. I love the one I have and it's great to have someone else do the testing!
Man you are the only one reviewing or comparing these two knives I have both love the we version my wife uses the civivi version I got the all silver version sweet knife and thanks for doing this for the community.
This dude is by far the most informative and knowledgeable knife reviewer or professional. I wish I had half his ability to sharpen a knife and half his know how.
What an epic undertaking to do this. Kudos to hard work and top notch content!!
*_Supreme content right here! Great stuff Jerad!_*
ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC content, bro!!!!! Banger testing!
Shooting dice with pocket knives 😂
I love my Civivi Qubit! I use it daily from prepping my food to cutting boxes open. love the 14c28n steel. Holds an edge a long time and really easy to strop on my jeans! Weight is great, hardly even know I have it on me. I find myself touching my pocket to see if its there! Great package for me. If i lost it id would go right out and buy another one!
I've often noticed an unsharpened section on the back of the edge like you showed on these knives. Very frustrating. I'm glad to hear what causes it.
This was really cool. I look forward to more of the series.
Great video. I like the longer more detailed format too. Good work J, thanks! 👍
Nice comparison but calling the Civivi "budget" is somewhat of a misnomer. The Civivi is quite far from budget, at $78. This is no cheap knockoff as WE and Civivi are the same company, just made from less expensive materials but still top quality.... and given the Civivi is probably 3x less expensive than the WE knife, the results are fantastic for the Civivi.
I've been waiting for a head-to-head like this for a long time. Great work, Jared!
Loved the durability test!
Agree.
Best knife comparison I have ever seen! The thickness behind the edge data is overlooked a lot of times. 1 thing I think you didn't mention is that Civivi states an hrc of 57-59. I won't buy a knife in 20cv/m390. Dr Larrin Thomas states it is a poorly designed steel then explains why in a way that I understand. His body of work has taught me most of what I know about blade steels. And he designed magnacut. So if they want my premium(stainless)knife dollar the knife will be in magnacut not 20cv. The Civivi is on the menu though, me second favorite budget steel right behind aebl.
yeah the only issue is that they are having a hard time getting the magnacut atm, in the future im sure they will be using it
I agree. Great idea and a breath of fresh air
The WE is definitely worth the extra money. It's just a much more well done knife all around. Save up and go with premium when it comes to this one.
Oy boy! This is gonna be good! Great idea!
Yup, fantastic, thanks Jered! The scratch test did hurt my soul tho 😅
mine to
Great review Brother!! Love blank VS blank videos, and this one was awesome!!
This is such a dope video! 🔥
Hello Jared great show brother, this is the first video I have watched of yours other than the giveaway that RUclipss algorithm sent me the other day. I couldn’t believe how much quality along with the quantity that was being given away and all I could think of is I’m signing up and damn this is bad ass, the bad thing was the old time machine wouldn’t fire up to take me back to April lol. I’ve always carried a knife of some sort but have never had a good quality fun to own wear it with pride kind of knife but it’s definitely a goal of mine. I love your work, your dedication and your enthusiasm for sure. Thank you brother god bless and stay sharp!!!
Well hopefully we can keep ya around, the knife community is the best in the world hands down. If you stick around I promise you will see.
Very nice video, looking forward to the next.
I got the qubit in Damascus because I liked the green scales. Too bad they don't make a similar elementum.
Great vid comparing the two knives and a fun new style of doing them comparing not only the edge testing but other factors as well. Both are solid knives at their price points for whatever your budget is. The We is definatly better overall in your testing and the price increase really reflects the overall performance you get in this case. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
Excellent video Jared! Very, very informative. Love my Cubit and all of my Civivi and WE knives
This was a very interesting video. Thanks for making it and putting in the work. Very compelled to see more. This is the only knife channel that actually brings value to people. All others are wishing.
Thank you very much for the video! ❤ 14c28n steel is great value as it seems!
This is an excellent idea for you to start doing this sort of thing Jerad. I know you said you had some good ideas on the way but this one is really a cracking idea on your part. This is definitely going to be a hit with everyone who is following you and it should make a lot more people start also following you and the channel well done my man excellent stuff. As always hopefully you stay safe and healthy J&K have a beautiful week both 🫵🏻😘👍🏼
Jared you are a rockstar . Don't always comment on your videos. But man this was the most informative thing I have watched on knives for a long time . To see it side by side like that and you explaining it as you go .
Have always been curious about the wear resistance difference of titanium and aluminium . I mean I knew aluminium was softer. But just how much .
Thank you so much .
That WE one looks pretty great. I like the removed bottle opener, i have something way less expensive on my keychain already.
Thanks for the breakdown and killer b-roll and running the specs on screen. Looks like a solid pickup.
Thanks for doing acoustics. I fidgit a lot and dont want a big collection of knives. Acoustics is one of my criteria for a knife i will buy
you should tell that to one of the guys in the comment section he thought that was ridiculous lol
@@NeevesKnives dude, I definitely will. What an idiot that doesn't appreciate the nicer aspects of a knife
@@NeevesKnives that dude is an idiot 😂
Yeah, cool knives and good video! But IRON RANGERS are bad to the bone, in the best possible way!!! Keep keepin us informed!!! TY!!!
Looking forward to more of this series👍🏻👍🏻
I wish the civivi got rid of the bottle opener. It’s like putting a ridiculous spoiler on a car that doesn’t need it.
Awesome video.
Gotta love 14c28n being elite as far as balance of properties, very affordable, almost impossible to mess up heat treat, etc. So tough it handles lower edge angles with a thin blade if wanting edge retention. Plus we can always strop/touch up now and then, but you can't add toughness and corrosion resistance.
I had no idea how much effort you put into your tests, until I heard your _spirited discussion_ with your partner on the livestream about cardboard! 😅
Loved the vid; I don't own or intend to buy these knives, but I watched it just for your personality. 😁👍
thank you
The problem i have with this is detent comparison. I my experience 2 of the same knives ordered at the same time can have totally different detents. So when reviewers say its perfectly tuned, it applies to what is in their hand. Natural variability means it's a bit of a lottery what you get. These are mass manufacturered knives. I have three qsp penguins, all three had issues
Your point is true for most knife companies. However, I think WE/Civivi/Sencut might be the exception. I like their knives and have multiple copies of the same model. I find their detents to be almost identical within the same model. Having said that, when there is a WE premium model of the Civivi knife (thinking Elementum Buttonlock), Yes, the detent appear to be tuned differently to the Civivi version. Just my experience so far.
that is very true, i usually try to say whether its strong light or right in the middle which would be perfect imo, but i will try to do a better job explaining, but yeah they can fluctuate between models
That was an absolute pleasure to watch. That was a great video and looking forward to more knife comparisons. Don't beat yourself up about not going through the cardboard all the way. You used the same technique on both knives, I don't see a problem.
civivi all day test all day, price point rules here
BUT JARED, you didn't shoot them with a gun at the end to show how well they can handle a bullet! Great video as always, super informative. loved everything about it, can't wait for the next deep dive.
Love the showdown. One consideration for you: it would be interesting to see an edge comparison under the microscope at the same number of cuts before stropping (I.e. at 309 cuts for both) then at completion of 662 cuts on the we. Then we can see how the edge compares under similar use, and how they look when they need to be sharpened.
Awesome video! Really thoughtful. Really liked the scuff test.
I literally just splurged and bought the WE so when I saw you posted this video I was afraid you were going to tell me I was an idiot who wasted my money 😂
lol
Great video, excellent comparison. I own the Civivi and have had my eye on the We version, so definitely helpful. Thanks for this one, Jared.
Great job Jared, very good comparison. Awesome video. I would like to see more comparison like this. Even worst steel, "behind the edge" is a key TC👍
Jared, well done brother! My take on your test results is that the Civivi at 1/3 the price delivered 1/2 the performance of the We. I love the Qubit but I'm not ready to pick up the We version at $200. The geometry, edge retention, price and strop response of the Civivi is truly impressive at $65. I'll wait for the We version to drop in price before I get one. Since the big Banter recently dropped to $150 I think the Qubit will eventually be available for $130 - $150. At this point in my collecting I'm more aware of the FOMO and how much you can save by waiting for Christmas sales and discontinued clearance sales. We've all paid full price, just to see it weeks or months later for half the price. Both are great but I'm sticking with my Civivi Qubit's for now.
Plus the bottle opener!
This was fantastic, in depth video. It really nicely shows the differences between the price ranges!
Great vid Partna. My Cubit has been stellar. It gets a lot of good comments. I sent a Bud to Neeves to get one thru your link. I don’t have that We…but it’s cool. I cried with I saw ya sliding those scales on concrete. That is a sacrifice fer sure. Cheers
Appreciate this video. I held off on the Civivi cuz I hated that bottle opener. I think I'll be getting the WE. Looking forward to more of these comparison videos. Thanks man! 👍✌️
Dude. These videos are 🔥. Putting in dat work son! Love it. More.. more.. more!
These Civivi scales look awesome now, love the relic vibes, gonna throw my knives over concrete more now, thanks!
Nice. I really like the new content.
Definitely looking forward to more of these types of comparisons, keep putting in that work! Great video!
This is a phenomenal video, dude. You are a scientist.
Nicely done Jared, enjoying all the useful data you were able to pull out of this reviewing/testing format. Looking forward to more of these📈
Love these comparison tests! Please continue to do them. I have the Qubit and love it and was wondering if I should buy the WE version. Well, this video was exactly what I needed!
Great video. Stroppy stuff is the best! Let it dry after applying though.
For sliding across the ground, What if you introduce something mechanical that made it easier to reproduce? Either a slingshot, or a golf club wrapped in foam and like a piece of wood to stop it from following through. I'm sure you could think of something better, but it would help you to get the angle and force consistent.
Probably the least important thing that you're testing, but it came to mind right away.
Well that was extremely thorough. Other ones could be the typheous, miguron Keryx, and kansept nesstreets? Back in my day, you could call Walmart at night and they would save a shopping cart of broken diwn cardboard for you. Then it's free
I love the Nesstreet!
Damn bro, watching you toss those knives hurts me in a visceral way. I'm glad you did it though and this monster video is awesome! Great knives and I'll probably go grab the We Qubit.
I don't know Jared, I think I wanna argue 150ft man 😂😂. I definitely like the showdowns, but my skin just crawled watching both of those beautiful knives skidding across concrete. I know that pained you to do that bro 😢 . For the knife community
I do not like the heat treat on that cardboard. Was it made in the USA?
Great testing format man, really enjoyable video. I bet if you followed up with some 1um after the 9 you'd have seen an even larger spike in recovered sharpness. I hope to see more of this style, I know it's a lot of work but it's great entertainment
Showing my age the Siskel and Ebert in me gives two thumbs up on your testing!
Dang, that intro hurt me. Glad you're willing to do this!
Helpful comparisons, especially the effects of a bunch of cutting.
Very nice test. Realistically I can only afford the Civivi.
I think your testing was well done, I like the fact that you didn't blow through the cardboard and bury the blade into the wooden cutting board. Something that you might want to add is a drop test from about 30 feet onto concrete as this has happened to me while working on a roof 2 stories up many years ago. Still don't like the Civivi Qubit, might have to look into that WE version though. Thanks
ive also done that dropping knives off of roof tops it might just have to make the test
Jared. I love the format. I'd like to see the BESS numbers after sharpening, before start cutting the cardboard. The BESS numbers after the test and after stropping are perfect.
The Civivi Qubit, for the price, is an amazing knife!!
I'm not sold on the BESS test. I think there are too many aspects that can introduce variability: how far is the blade inserted, how fast is the blade pushed down, where on the scale is the test apparatus placed, etc.
You are right, but doing it well, it is better than cutting a piece of paper test. I use the test everytime that I sharpen a knife. I tension the string always with 200 grams weight, place the knife in the same place and my muscular memory helps me to use the same force. Not 100% acurate, but it helps me@@michaelinsc9724
yeah i will do that next time for sure, but as a disclaimer dont trust that testor its very misleading you have to really trust the user, i did a video on why you shouldnt trust it, but i try to be very honest with it
You are not promoting any knife and you are not trying to sell your skill as sharpener, so no reason to cheat with the BESS procedure in this kind of video.
Also many of the people who watch your videos, including me, know the range of BESS values depending of the grit, geometry, steel and angle .
You are a honest guy and your reputation is your most value asset@@NeevesKnives
@@luisnouel4268 🙏 👊
I'll take the Civivi every time. I don't need any better than 14c28n or s35vn, and I don't need titanium handles over aluminum handles.
If I am paying WE prices, it's going to be American made.
Titanium has definitely saved me from a couple concrete drops, i have dropped it picked it up there be a mark, and it just be pulverized concrete and it just wipe right away no mark underneath i love Titanium just for that
Love that sharpener
I like to buy a knife then while waiting on delivery, I'll look at reviews. Can't wait for my premium Qubit
Have you ever tried kangaroo leather strops? I have found kangaroo leather to have less elasticity while being thinner than cow leather. Both of which benefits stropping. Thank you for all your hard work and excellent content!
Great video and test. Really good comparison of what you get for your money. The Qubit is more in my price range. Thanks and new subscriber. You rocked it.
14c28n is one of the best ingot (non-particle metallurgy) steels available. So much better than 8crmov or 420hc. Kershaw made most of their USA knives in this steel not that long ago.
It doesn’t need to be an exact science, I just want an idea of what I’m gonna get. The test is fine. Thank you!
That knife maintenance tray is sick. Who makes it?
Yo Jared what's up with the jacket you were sporting while making your neighbors judge you in the driveway lol? I am digging it bro!!
I loved this head to head comparison with the abuse and cut tests! The ONLY critique I have is for post production. If possible, lower the volume of the cutting while you’re explaining the results. Maybe it is just because the audio was sped up, but it was very difficult to hear you over the slicing of the cardboard. If anything, just air on the side of quiet for the cutting tests.
You may already do this or have plans to but You should raffle off the test knifes. That would be awesome
This was a fantastic video!!!
I say you should do the praxis and elementum next. Praxis first though.
Enjoyed it very much -- nice testing! Personally, I think that the BESS tester is a better measure of performance than the paper cut test, which can be highly subjective. But it is more time consuming and expensive, and I know these tests aren't cheap or quick!
Dude, that knocking around 8:42 almost gave me a panic attack lol. Have the headphone on full blast 😮
That sounds more like a "you" problem
Nice video and well done. And still it hurts seeing knives abused. Not surprising that the premium model performs better, but the impression changes if you put the price into the equation. And everybody needs to ask himself if he really needs the premium performance. ;)
Man, Tony Marfione is going to sue you. You have discovered his distressed finish technique. 😂
I would already own the Civivi if it weren't for that bottle opener
Quality video, Brother. The music is not my cup of tea. But everything is phenomenal.
the detent on my we qubit is actually a little TOO stiff... and I like stiff detents. Absolutely the stiffest detent I have ever encountered on a button lock. The button also has a pretty stiff spring compared to other button locks (I also have a civivi qubit). I suspect most of the difference comes down to the button spring. Lots of civivi button locks have soft springs and as a result soft detents.
Jerad hope you can do the civivi vision fg. Either their Damascus vs Nitro V, or the Nitro V vs the new knifecenter exclusive S35VN version. 🙏
good idea
Came here to say this. The We Vision vs the Civivi Vision would be interesting
Thanks for doing this. I love my Civivi Qubit and am interested in the We version. This is the best comparison I could hope for
@@joelynch9173 yes it would possibly coming soon
A little bit of kerosene , diesel fuel even gas will take off what will come off after tht it's staying .
Digging the channel