Why Lies of P Is TERRIBLE and GREAT!
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Why Lies of P Is TERRIBLE and GREAT!
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Lies of P is the newest Souslike game developed by Neowiz, Honestly I was shocked about how much I enjoyed this game. Lies of P has some issues though in its levels, gameplay, and bosses, should you buy Lies of P? Is Lies of P even good? This will be a full review of Lies of P and an analysis of the gameplay and design. 
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even tho Lies of P definitely has some issues it’s still weirdly enough the only soulslike game I’ve actually fully enjoyed playing and saw all the way through. absolutely adore how combat felt especially with how satisfying parrying every attack from a boss was
Play salt and sanctuary much better game.
@@OblivionPrime a 2d sidescroller is something completely different than a 3d game
Try ashen
@@Zockanumber1doesn’t have to be
@@OblivionPrimegood game but in no way is it better
I ran my first playthrough blind. Ended up settling on Trident of the Covenant in late game, that Crit Rate I just absolutely love. Pair it with assassing ring, running things super generically, high damage fair consistency, but not feeling overpowered.
I'm still using the trident in NG+
The charged heavy was pretty much the only attack I used on the trident and just beat the final final boss
The way to fix %90 of the problems of the game is simple:
1. Increase the parry window from 8 frames to 12 like Sekiro
2.Increase the distance dodging has
3.Add poise to charge attacks and some legion arms
4.Decrease the recocery frames of the player
It wouldn’t solve the weird enemy attacks with no cues and decent telegraphy but at least would compensate to make the combat less clunky
Agree with no 1 but no 2 to 4 honestly I don't have any problem with that , the dodges is already fine you just need good timing like monsters swamp grab attacks are simple easy to dodges by dodges back or forward, the game is already has Poise everytime you do Fable Art, , I guess you just one of those peeps that don't even try
1 - Hard disagree. The parry window in this game feel very rewarding and intuitive once you get used to it.
2 - Disagree. As long as you are aware of the direction of an attack you can easily dodge through it and even then your primary system of protection is more-so the parry than the dodge. I learned this during the scrapped watchman fight and it remained the case throughout the entire game.
3 - Hyper-armor has been added to fable attacks but I do not think it should be added to charged attacks: these are up to you to time well, as are the legion arms.
4 - I don't think this is necessary but I also don't think it could entirely hurt either.
@@trintavon the game has shitty party timing. If you perfect guard right before the hit lands (like how every other game does parrying) you’ll get hit. The game tells you to perfect guard after theyve finished the wind up of their attack which has got to be the least intuitive and least rewarding and worst feeling parry.
Finally someone talks about the weird boss timings in this game, thanks. Also gotta mention some of the bosses (some puppet king attacks, the corrupted watchman, some other I forgot) just kinda....... flail around? Like, okay, which one of these little wiggly moves is an attack, or all they all an attack? And if they're all an attack, is it even possible to parry? It's too long of a combo to just hold parry, and the attacks happen to fast to spam parry, and for people who do like to try parrying it's just a "have you tried not trying" moments
I also ran a strength build and though I didn't feel "weak," I realized that the advantages of a strength build are, counter-intuitively, defensive. See, the damage outputs between dex and str are not as high as in most other games - in fact, some of the more powerful dex weapons nearly match str weapons while being faster and consuming less stamina. But where the str weapons have a giant advantage is in blocking - the big str weapons can block up to about 80% physical, while the dex weapons are usually in the 20-40% range. Meanwhile, the increased staggerability is more about affording the time to safely buff/heal/repair in combat than about doing massive crit damage. Even still, I found the game easier to play Souls style than Sekiro style - using the dodge as the primary defensive tool and only blocking when necessary.
I also feel like the game's base dodge is very underwhelming and the "double dodge" which you can buy with quartz fairly early on is really what the base dodge should have been. I found the left arms mostly worthless, especially the shield, which has a delayed timing to it which made it very hard for me to block reliably. I agree that the late game is weak, but not necessarily cause of balance, but more cause of pacing - the last few chapters are just too long. Also the story goes off the rails at that point and the game just felt kind of silly to me. The pacing issue also affected character progression, as you probably find 3/4 of the game's quartz in the last 1/4 of the game - it would have been nice to build up more progressively. Despite all these technical nitpicks, I did really enjoy the game quite a bit.
motivity builds in this game are very strong because of the fact that you can stagger bosses easily and deal huge damage per stagger, try using the holy sword of ark start your fight with the extended handle and then when the boss is staggered transition to the smaller handle and use the fable art of the blade, you can deal 3500 to 4500 damage on a singe hit depending on your stats and weapon level.
It should be considered a crime to refer to Lies of P by "terrible" in any sense lmao, It's a great game and even it's issues are nowhere near as bad as some of the ones in FS games.
So it's a crime to not like this game and think it's terrible for you personally? I have never seen any Bloodborne and Sekiro fan say it should be a crime to not like those games. What is wrong with you?
Great review! Did you actually play through the whole game without using any of the specialized legion arms? All of the videos don't have any of the different arms equipped. I totally agree that how you choose to play makes a huge difference. I started with a strength build, but it didn't feel like I wanted it to, so I switched to an Advance build (lets call it Magic) and that was AMAZING to play. I suck at these games, so it is a miracle as far as I am concerned that I even made it to act 8 where I am now, but I have LOVED this game so far. It has been super friendly to someone like me using an Advance build because, with the right one of 3 easy to get weapons, I do so much damage to the bosses AND all of my status effect throwables do massive damage as well. One of the biggest discoveries I had though was the shot put. I was finding getting a charged hit off on a boss once they were vulnerable to be quite challenging, so I just stepped back and threw a shot put and BAM staggered.
I am both excited and a bit nervous about hitting the end game if everything goes to crap with too many basic mobs, but if I can make it there, this will be the first souls-like I ever complete. So, I hope that I can do it. And then there is NG+...
I’ve beaten Lies of P three times and am in love with it. I am shocked at the mixed reception it is getting. I think most people are trying to play their tried and true claymore build and get mad that they can’t win like every fromsoft game. I found this game to be incredibly fun and engaging when going for faster paced weapons with the Two Dragon sword being my favorite weapon in any souls game I’ve ever used. The game demands a lot from its players, but my second New Game play through had me beating almost every boss on the first try so it clearly isn’t overly punishing or unfair.
Funny I was getting my ass handed to me initially felt it was too hard then I changed my build completely mid way thru the game and the game became easy street for the most part. I went from spending 3+ hrs on a boss to 1hr or less. Why? was it because I got gud, nope its because this game has serious combat balance issues which the OP is explaining here. I suspect you were lucky enough to find a build that worked for you early on and that made your experience very enjoyable but not everyone was able to find that hence why so many ppl have issues w/ the game.
What would be great is if the people who enjoy this game could be less condescending to the people who aren't. People not liking this game does not affect you in the slightest, so don't take it personally because it literally has nothing to do with you at all.
No exploration/totally linear path. 3/10
@jarlwhiterun7478 no different from bloodborne which was a 10/10
@@heyguyslolGAMING motivity and technique is balanced if you know how to strategize with them
On my second play through. After the tedium of the never ending climb to Manus on the first run which destroyed the fun for me, running past all the enemies to get to Lax was much more ‘fun’
What has me excited is this is their first outing in the souls-like genre. I'd expect them to learn from the minimal issues and their next game to be even better. Even Fromsoft took a couple games to perfect it.
Hey chopper. I like your review. Regarding the low damage you felt you were dealing. It really seems you give low damage from the clips you are showing. Maybe your weapons were not upgraded enoguh or not enough points in the skill tree for fatal attacks or not the apropriate amulets. I think the game gives you many tools to progress.
I felt the same, given the stats shown around @14:19 his point abt strength lagging behind makes sense. Idk if he had reset by then but some shifting into technique (or advanced for cheesing) would have helped.
He probably could have worked on his build. First playthrough I ran a motivity build and mainly used the wrench as my primary and I at no point what so ever felt underpowered, on the contrary. A fatal attack followed by a fable arts move during their recovery time absolutely mess up any boss health bar lol.
Your stagger attack damage really is because of the build. I ran a hybrid technique/motivity and it was insanely high. Just short of 40%
I said that this game has stupid animations of "long ass delay + snap delivery" but then I got called "unskilled". I want to react to the enemies' attacks and not play a guessing game of when to block while they stand still to wind up their fury.
Unskilled
@@nachocheez9690 yup not good at guessing and gacha
Blame Elden Ring for making delayed attacks popular
@@kami3449 Elden Ring has clear animations to indicate an attack, you can actually see the bosses swinging their weapons. The dodge is also a lot more generous than the perfect guard in LoP. LoP tries to copy that but fails miserably due to the lack of smoothness in animations
You learn the attack and it becomes muscle memory, what's wrong with that?
Fair review. I have to say my first Playthrough was a Strength build, and I definitely found myself having a tougher time. My second play through was technique, and I was melting some of the bosses. I had a problem with before I attest some of it to be of course the fact I already played through the game and mastered most of the enemies move sets and the combat. I did notice with a technique build. I would do slightly less damage, but I was able to get in and do less damage, but more of it in a shorter span. So that’s why strength builds probably feel a little more difficult.
The reward(s) for parrying is: no durability loss, stagger meter build, no status aliment applied, no health lost, guard regain. There's a reason why you can parry just about anything.
Laxasia was the hardest boss in the game
Facts I’m hard stuck on phase 2
@@martinmp19 try using acid weapons, helps a lot
mmmm idk. I think KoP has more bullcrap. Laxasia is a very well designed boss and you can trivialize the first phase after 6 or 7 attempts.
The nameless puppet is worse. 2nd phase bs 20 hit combos that devour ur stamina.
I definitely think it depends on your play style but for me I would agree it was seriously difficult. For me after the learning curve that the beginning of the game throws at you I really didn’t struggle until laxasia
I was surprised to see stacks of blade servers connected by cables, sitting on shelf in the last chapter of the game..... it was funny to see that developers put interesting details into the game, anybody seen it??? The serve racks were almost at the end at the tower.
Your problem with the strength build was the weapon choice. I first played the game with a dex build and it was fine when I realized that I should be dodging and not parrying. Then I did a Str one and tried parrying most things since those weapons have good block values. Starting with the Str weapon and used it until I got the Holy Sword of the Ark. It's slower but it hit so fucking hard. Finding an opening to use a fully charged heavy attack felt so good. It also dealt great damage, almost always staggered, and quickly broke the enemy's posture. I added Shot Puts to easily get the enemy into the broken state since landing a fully charged heavy attack with that thing is not something you can fit anywhere.
That weapon also has a fast mode, and a fable art that when fully charged deals absurd amounts of damage (and it has poise while charging).
Bro at the moment I’m stuck trying to fight the big guy at the railway station and I thought he was a boss😢
The balance is busted, i will agree but its not like there are unviable weapons, maybe unviable weapon combinations. I look at it the same kind of busted balancing as fromsoft games. tbh. Not saying that better balancing shouldn't be there. I used the spring sword and Mjolnir hammer with shovel handle both str weapons and i had i fine time, i did an ng+ run with dex after as a comparison. There's a comparison that the heavier strength weapons have better damage reduction when you're blocking, with the lighter weapons too many incorrect parries will leave you in a dangerous position especially in ng+.
Just as there are strong dex options, there are strong str and advance options too. About the bosses having inflated hp, i have to disagree with that because.. element is extremely strong in this game. Like laxasasia's first phase is cripplingly weak to acid. Using strike vs slash damage also makes a decent difference on the enemy type, the game gives you a lot of upgrade mats to at least have 2 weapons upgraded and more to buy from shops etc.
My strength/stagger build is amazing. I just think others people are afraid to try it because weapons are so slow.
Fantastic game, def better than DS2. So whatever reviews that received, this deserves better. NG+ is where imo the real experience begins.
ngl rapier is something i always go back to everytime i face a boss so it always took a while and was always a ballroom dance
I agreed with a lot of this and I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’ve been stuck on Laxasia 2nd phase, super discouraged. I really did love this game though.
I just gave up and summoned. I knew I could beat her and my best attempt with 50% and phase 1 I could do without getting hit but I dunno what it is but these bosses just annoy me. Never had that in other Souls games. A lot of the red attacks and the too tight parry window are BS.
Me, beating the game with the giant saw motivity build staggering bosses with big biscuit risk it charged R2s 👀👀
This game is top 3 Souls games for me. Just Platinum'd it and I'm sad it's over.
This game is great. I love the bosses, the combat and gameplay. My very first playthrough was riddled with issues I’ll admit. But after 4 playthroughs (NG and NG+) I find this game to be addictive. The parrying does get easier and tbh I think people are too focussed on adopting either a Sekiro play style OR a Bloodborne play style, rather than combining both (knowing when to parry and when to dodge) which makes things much easier. It’s a little too close to Soulsborne and doesn’t dare to be as adventurous as the likes of Remnant and The Surge, but sometimes it’s better not to stray too far from the path like Nioh (which is a game I loathe). I think it has some of the best boss fights outside of Soulsborne, Laxasia, Simon, The Puppet King and Scrapped Watchman are all fantastic.
I ran full strength and never really touched Technique and I feel like bosses were pretty easy and I did a lot of damage
love the video!
I beat Lies of P three times now, NG and NG+ with Technique and one NG with Motivity. And I can say, that its true that Motivity builds are a little weaker, its certainly easier to stagger boss, but you have a lot less windows to dmg so its kinda annoying waiting game. But with fastest Technique weapons I could at least maybe attack once between enemy attacks. Im not gonna say that the game is not hard at all, because on my first playthrough it was insane how I got beaten into a pulp by King of puppets and Green monster (Yeah I know, its not that hard, but I had a problem with it) but after my first clear, it was much more easier cuz I already know what to expect and had already download all their movesets and it didnt matter what weapon I was using
Also dodging is trash and you have no reason to do that if you have heavier weapon and you can just block everything for no HP loss, fight me
@@SwoxikDodges is trash was a biggest Lie ahahaha you see that so many peeps nowadays already do a lot of dodges & I frames olmost perfectly like one of my favorite streamer Maximilian Dood do a lot of I frame on certain bosses easily,, like the main brother Rabbit the big guy, that guy has a lot of delay attack that is incredibly easy to do I frame & dodges EVEN with heavy weapon, dodges still very useful in many situations
@@Swoxikdodging isn't trash it's just attack dependant. Some boss attacks are very easy to dodge and get new opens from doing so. This game isn't Sekiro. You should be smart about using parrying, block, dodging, or running together
Puppet master and swamp monster are the two fights I struggled the most with. You are not alone.
The nameless puppet had me in a blender for a minute there
I had no problem playing STR build... i can agree that starting STR (motivity) is harder than Dex (technique) because the good stuff are around mid playthrough... and at the end you get so much good optimisation for STR build... i guess starting with Balance is better since you can reset your stats easily and dont have wasted stats if you want to play either STR/DEX or even Elemental
How can someone compare Lies of P combat to Bloodborne??? In Bloodborne you want to use the dodge for the i-frames and the gun to interrupt. In Lies of P you want to block and parry, while using your Sekirolike left arm for special tools.
Did 2 playthroughs with Strength and it felt balanced and very strong and useful. This game is its own thing and shouldn't be compared as hard as it is to sekiro and bb. This game really is a skill check for souls players and they can't handle it. I think its a masterpiece for a soulslike game. Never felt like this game was unbalanced besides the elite enemies and other minor issues and they went and fixed or nerfed those things.
The story was fantastic with a great ending and I can't wait to see a dlc and future games.
imo the problem is not the strength weapons but the heavy handle which sucks. If you put STR weapon on fast handle like krat mass or sabre, fire axe etc... it feels good, the only downside here is you loose a bit of scaling (B to A vs A to S for dex weapon) but you have better block rate. heavy boss weapons are meh too
My brother in Christ, you pick the fastest and less heavy str weapon and then complain about the low damage...
Dude you’re so funny! Love your humour and candor, great vid
I honestly enjoy this game a lot but I do agree that the endgame is bad compared to the beginning and middle sections of the game. Besides my gripes with the annoying parry timing, the game seemed so good and the bosses were well designed and had proper audio and visual queues but once you get to the last quarter of the game, you get annoying enemies, bosses that are borderline unfair and overall it just feels like a pain to finish the game off at that point! I was really looking forward to this game and thought it was gonna be amazing but with it falling apart near the end the game is just okay for me right now. I might come back and look back on it at a later date but for right now I’m just happy it’s over.
I'll never understand how people can collect like 30 weapons and be like nah. I'ma keep my starting wespon. So weird. The game has hands-down the best weapon system out of all Souls games (though Fable arts lack a bit of impact sometimes).
I like linear game design, I’m pretty bored of games forcing the whole open world aspect
having played lies of P and lords of the fallen back to back, it made me realize how much of my enjoyment comes from the level design in this kind of game.
i did not like the level design in lies of P. i found the shortcuts less frequent than they should be and sometimes kind of useless.
I’d be willing to bet that if the fromsoft logo was on the front people wouldn’t have a problem with it aside from maybe the linearity
LOL is this a joke? The lack of awareness in your comment is astounding. I don't know where to even begin.
1) FS games get plenty of criticism. If anything this game is held to a much lower standard because it was expected to be mediocre like most other blatant ripoffs 😂 fromsoft games have high expectations every single time.
2) Lies of P may as well have a fromsoft logo on it considering it's just an amalgamation of fromsoft game philosophy with no identity of its own. The MAIN compliment people were giving it for the longest time is that "you could tell me fromsoft made this and I would believe it." That speaks volumes to how this game wouldn't even EXIST without fromsoft teaching these scrubs at neowiz how to make a proper game first. Look at their catalog and you'll see DOZENS of cheap titles that most people have never heard of going back decades - and then you'll see Lies of P towering above everything else.... it's almost like without copying the FS formula, they could never break through.
But yeah, go ahead and lie to sad fanboy 😂
All I gotta say is use the consumables, the shot put, thermite, and throwing cells trivialized every boss fight
felt like i was listening to someone talk about a different game. Motivity weapons do great damage, you were probably using a shitty handle just because it had better scaling. i use the dancers curved sword handle and although it's not the best scaling with a maxed out blade i smack everything. and the movest of that handle is one of if not the best i've come across in the game.
Imo lies is a balanced blend of dark souls, sekiro and bloodborne. I don’t find the linear levels bad perse. I think my only criticism is that some of the mini bosses (mad clown, illusion lady) gave me more trouble than legendary bosses. And that the very last hidden boss required I change my p organ and take a totally sekiro stance as every boss up until it I was fighting more of a souls-bloodborne style. But overall it’s great and I wouldn’t change much. Be cool if one or two boss weapons were advanced scaling for sure. Nothing major. The difficulty was on point for a soulsborne veteran.
I honestly hate trying to parry in this game because the attacks are super random and wierd and some of the timing feels off also the parry window feels to small the risk is far greater than the reward.
Pinocchio was a dark story in the first place
Great review ! I think that the game is not intented to be played like Sekiro until the end. The perfect parry as not as rewarded. In the last tiers of the game, i've played and enjoyed the game with parry/dodge & arms mechanics and it worked pretty well for me. The main issue for me is that you can't dodge & use yours proshetics arms max out before the end of the game so you relied on Parry like i did and you're right. You can be frustating for the reason you mentioned. Great souls like anyway better suited for NG+ 👌
Parrying on here is too much. Thats why i just look for ways to cheese everything. I think since the puppets movements are so weird there should at least he a indicator.. Theres so many time i swear i had a perfect parry and it just de motivated me.
My biggest problem with the game is the lack of hyper armor. If you're using a slower weapon it's really discouraging to constantly have your hits canceled out because the enemy hit you first. Even if I'm coming in with a big heavy swing full of momentum, a random enemy can stop me in my tracks with a little poke. If this were balanced a little better it would go a long way to improve the combat overall.
That basil guy is replying to every comment huh
_"So agree and respect my superior opinion"_
I'm glad I read that while sitting on the toilet cuz poo just flew right outta my backdoor
ain't no way you used the arm of steel throughout your entire playthrough 💔
I went strength build and had a miserable time until I got to where you could respec.
Thankfully they patched it to where you're able to do that earlier on now.
But once I was able to spec into a Dex build the game got a lot better. You do virtually the same damage as a dex build but you attack much faster.
They need to buff all heavy weapons to make them viable or they need to buff the stagger hit damage.
Strength weapons filter out a ton of damage if you mess up a parry so it seems they are geared toward you being a parry God but the damage isn't worth it.
my frozen feast can deal 1900 damage in one swing so idk what you mean lol
I don't consider the knock down stop animation damage a big deal. I'm playing Wo Long and it's about the same. Around 20% damage.
I figured out that you are meant to punish staggers by unleashing one or two heavy R2s before I walk into the red circle to press R1. I realized this when I noticed your stamina bar refills while in the fatal attack animation. And the long wakeup animation is optimal for blowing fable arts.
Pinocchio looks like the Game Awards kid.
How in the fuck are you getting stagger attacks when the enemy is facing you? That animation only pops up for me if the boss has their back turned to me? This game is a ridiculous nightmare.
I agree with the gotcha moments. Snap animations disrupt the cadence
Although I didn't think it was terrible (I didn't have as many problems as you had it seems in the video) I feel you about the last part of the game being a bit overloaded with enemies, I think I just liked fighting those enemies anyway, or just the fighting system in this game, enough to not care that much.
Also agree on the balancing of strength weapons having played motivity on my first run.
After watching both lotf vid and this I can say you make fair points and we're similar kind of players :3
It's definitely a good game that had a lot of love and care poured into it, the technical aspects are impressive. With that said, this game frustrated the heck out of me, to the point that when I finished it, instead of wanting to run through it again, I felt relieved, and like I never wanted to touch it again, I had the same feeling when I finished Sekiro. It was a lot of little annoyances that just added up for me, why does every boss need to have regenerating health? Why does every boss need a second phase?
Why did they not give us ranged attacks outside of throwables? Which are admittedly very powerful, but also a consumable I have to farm or buy. And then the weapon system, it presents itself as a very versatile system, but that's really an illusion, the handle needs to scale with your main stat, and even though you can use a crank to change scaling, it never gets scaling up to a decent level, so the system is actually very rigid, I had an advanced build, and I only found a handful of valid handles I could use throughout the play through, and _not one boss weapon in the entire game_ scales with advance, why?
I absolutely love the game can’t wait to see what they come up with next. And hope there’s a dlc on the horizon
What Lies of P fans don't understand is:
"Lies of P is a good game" and "Lies of P boss animations are jank AF"
cannot be two simultaneously true statements
Motivity was poorly thought out, which just sucks.
Half the game is a joke with 1 specific build, and the other half is a painful slog where everything is 3x faster than a single attack you the player can make.
Add to that they clearly wanted to be different by avoiding hyperarmor and poise (while giving it to like every other puppet and human) which just goes to show they should have stuck with technique weapons and left the heavy ones to FromSoft's design team.
Beat the game on regular new game twice now. First run motivity and second run technique. With the weapon assemble feature, along with altering handles, I don’t think there’s much difference in difficulty. You can have a big weapon that swings stupid fast. Like the pipe wrench with a curved sword handle. Now boss weapons are kind of unbalanced and are mostly technique heavy. Seems like the best are tech weapons for sure.
@@foosbooze263
See it's either the baton or curved sword handles (which both swing fast) or you are screwed over by half the game.
I don't want just 2 handles to be somewhat enjoyable, that is such a dumb way to play since a large part of the fun of combat is using other weapons.
I beat the game and living puppet with the Frozen Feast, and sure it was fun staggering big slow enemies, but it was very frustrating to fight enemies that could:
1. Attack faster than me
2. Poise their way through my own slow heavy attacks to shove their arm up my ass to use me as their puppet!
I really can't stand being attacked through my own attacks when using a gigantic slab of stone. If I can't have hyperarmor no one should.
Motivity weapons stagger enemies much quicker, so they do have an advantage.
@@DragoonO777
The occasional chance to stagger an enemy (who may not even stagger at all) is heavily outweighed by the chance NOT to stagger, as well as the very slow speed of anything but the baton/dancers handle.
Case and point: almost every type of carcass enemy in the train station. They rarely flinch even when not attacking, and will hyperarmor through your attack to get one of their own. NPCs also do this, but to a far less extent.
Slow large enemies like the brutes in the arcade seem to have less stagger resistance, so motivity weapons are great for farming them, but miniboss jesters and clowns, carcasses in general take so long to stagger it's more of a novelty than an advantage.
@@a-aronander-son5861 Which is why you can increase the stagger potential through the skill tree. Plus, the devs already massively buffed the stagger window in the recent patch.
nice review man !
what i hate most is, why they made decision to use stamina for perfect guard ?
since when did deflecting consecutive attacks now is not rewarding, and now you get punished even your parry is good.
i know sekiro has posture bar for deflect, but sekiro reward you for being good when your bar is in a pinch as long you keep deflecting all attack !
i hate how they mixing some stuff from fromsoftware and end up not fit each other.
btw I don't understand why people are so salty when I think all your criticisms are mostly accurate lol
Its just my opinion but it felt like the devs purposely made then enemies have delayed strikes or overly relentless ones to mess with the players expectations since so many players will have been familiar with souls bourn titles. I enjoyed them using my own knowledge against me. Its similarl to RE4 remake in how they made the platform break in the village.
Linear isn't that bad. Being linear in a world now filled with open worlds, back to the basics isn't a bad thing.
Currently stuck on Laxasia phase 2, so far i have been enjoying the game despite some major frustration but i feel like the game has one major flaw: it is a souls like. I feel if it had dropped the stamina management the game would be much better. I always seem to run out of stamina due to blocking and dodging that i can rarely counter attack, also the fact blocking takes a lot of stamina despite not preventing all damage is bullshit
My only complaint is that there is no guts sword. Fight me.
The Holy Sword?
@@MarkerMurker Not a moonlight sword, no. Something too big to be called a sword, more so a heap of raw iron, a dragonslayer if you will.
devs could make this go from a 8 or 9/10 game to 10/10 game by changing one simple thing: enemy attacks dont cancel out your charged attacks.
Isn't there an ability for that?
This game might be the only Soulslike game that interests me
Coming from someone who’s in playthrough 9, let me make it clear. If they didn’t do anything to new game plus, this game would be probably a 6/10. However, most of my complaints of the game went away in new game plus, not because I was getting better at the game(that helps, but it’s not the main reason), but it’s because new game plus gives you so many ways to deal with the annoyances. Bosses and levels that I didn’t enjoy too much because of all the stuff they throw in feel so much better and fun in new game plus. It’s sad to see some people don’t go into new game plus cause they don’t want to re experience the hell they went through. But this game goes from a 6/10 to a 8.5-9/10 just in new game plus. Hot take, but besides elden ring, this is my favorite souls game(not souls like, even though it’s a mimic) I played dark souls 3 and really enjoyed it, I played bloodborne and found it boring(I’m sorry but the design of the game didn’t stick with me), but I love this game so much. I 100% understand people’s hatred towards the first playthrough, but I beg you to continue playing the game in new game plus and see how much you enjoy it.
Have to disagree with you about first playthorugh(NG) getting a mediocre score. You get enough quartz to upgrade your P-organs during your first playthrough, isn't it every soulsborne game for being hard in your first few hours before you level-up and earn weapons and stuffs? . But I do respect your opinion.
@@KoreanSpy1997 the thing is that if I were to do a new playthrough on games like dark souls 3 and elden ring, I can do it with ease cause I know what to do and how to do it, but in lies of p, there are a bunch of handicaps like not having the dodge upgrade at first and headaches like not being able to block or doge fury attacks and all of the status effects. This is where new game plus makes it so much more fun for me, new abilities and wayyy less headaches
@@basedbasil9261But you already know how to deal with those things since you have an experiencs, and you know exactly what to do and how to face against your enemies, not to mention the locations of quartz as well. No offense but I think that's not a game's problem imo. But like I said, I respect your opinion. I hope I didn't make you offended.
I touched NG+, saw how the most basic enemy in the game was able to take out 2/5ths of my healthbar in one attack when I have the most defensive gear in the game, and immediately stopped.
This is garbage design. NG was fun. NG+ looks terrible.
Anyways, I was able to defuse every single encounter in the game by using puppet string. I don't know what "tools" you're talking about, but puppet string defangs every single gauntlet in the game. No need for any tool beyond that.
@@teapouter6109calling cap
This game is a masterpiece, it's very well polished for a new game too.
I wonder why they decided to lock basic abilities in the p-organ system
Such as rolling during the current roll, rolling after being knocked to the ground, increase belt item slots and some other ones
Just remember that Fromsoft games had these abilities without needing upgrades which made the game feel way better to play
And don't even get started on "but ng+ gives you more abilities", if ng+ is the excuse needed to have a good experience when thats how the game should've been experience in ng then it's simply a way to make the players play the game more and its not a good way
Imagine forcing the player to go into ng+simply for abilities that should be default abilities when other abilities could've been attained in ng
None of the new game+ abilities are abilities you need to get a better experience; they are new, or repeat benefits that simply reward and help buff you for the further dangers of new game+. The "default" abilities you speak of are really just the two roll upgrades, which aside from being easy to get relatively early into the game, are the only two you can really call default. The extra belt item slots are by no means a necessity (I literally used 1 belt slot for my heals and 1 for the grindstone the entire game and never felt this was a problem) and every other upgrade are just that: upgrades. Extra flasks, more healing from flasks, bigger stagger windows. I don't see at all where you got the idea that you need to get into ng+ to get default abilities, I really don't. So I actually wonder if you've even played the game.
The abilities are totally fine. All of them are just there for you if you struggle. The dodge is a bit weird, granted, but not that necessary.
"It was a relief to be done with it" yesss thank god someone said it
Completely agree. Game is fun but the combat feels off, like they couldn't figure out how to make it challenging without resorting to cheap tricks. All these jerky movements and delayed swings look almost comical. Apart from that though the game is fun.
F the bosses in this game man. I only want to beat it now so that I can never play it again
We take for granted just skillful Fromsoft is at making these kind of games. Every single time another developer tries to emulate it, they veer too far off in one way or another.
Never understand why game reviewers think it’s a good idea to get a sponsorship from a video game maker.
I realize that Lies of P has some issues and flaws. Regardless of those flaws, I love Lies of P. Fromsoft games have flaws and I love them anyways. Sekiro, Bloodborne, Elden Ring, The first half of Dark Souls 1, and the best bosses of Dark Souls 3 are what I consider near perfect. And Lies of P comes damn close to those titles and even does some aspects better than those titles. I realize this game isn't for all souls fans but it was catered to me as Bloodborne and Sekiro are my favorites. Lies of P is up there with them imo, and is part of my regular lineup now.
laxsasia is more hardest boos a can't kill thes boos i try more 90 time 😢
Got the game bc I'm a huge fan of American McGee's Alice and thought this was something similar but it is so hard and outdated I feel I wasted money. I want games for entertaining not for the extra stress, game doesn't even have ''Easy or Medium mode'' starts directly at Hardcore.
did you finish the game? and just heads up for future any game that has tag of 'soulslike' doesnt have any difficulty level (except some which i would suggest to check on internet) usually they dont have it majority times but still look it before maybe your favourite theme game might have it.
I love Lies of P. I never played any of the souls or “soul like” games and I probably will never play one. The boss battles and combat resemble to me at least to the final fantasy game more than any other game 🙂
You’re denying yourself immense joy by skipping out on Fromsoftwares games. Do what you want at the end of the day of course. I’m just telling you what’s in the cabinet if you choose to unlock it. Immense joy
I pretty much moved through the game without much difficulty, at least the several boss attempts felt satisfying. I am HARD STUCK on Laxiasas the lightning person though
I believe she is the hardest boss I’ve ever fought(I’ve played bloodborne, dark souls 3, elden ring)
Use the Perfection Grindstone on her lightning ball attacks and on her ground slam attack. You can get her posture down pretty easily with that.
@@WinterMadness you could also just manually parry the lightning attacks and then if you have the dodge fury attack amulet, then dodge the slam
@@basedbasil9261 No way you think she's harder than Malenia. Or what, did you cheese Malenia?
@@teapouter6109 at first I did, but over time found malenia to be a very good challenge, Laxasia on my first playthrough gave me a soft depression cause I wanted to like the game and most of the late game bosses made me hate it more(this was before I got into new game plus and I absolutely love this game now)
I love open world games but linear is good if its as smooth n perfect running as lies of p, if it was more open it wouldnt run as well, be nice if we could have open worlds that ran as smooth as tighter linear games, but console tech isnt there yet imo.
It’s all good except the black rabbit brotherhood part 2 on NG++++
💯 agree with you with what you said after the green swamp monster this game becomes a slog
I agree that the late game areas, mainly the final area, sucked. I felt like it went on way too long, and there were way too many enemies. I was just relieved to get through it.
The music in the final area is beautiful tho
Weapon durability is the most useless feature in any game ever created
I don’t agree I think the ending is pretty good especially the true ending
The only things that pisses me off with the game are the fury attacks, and how you can ruin your first run in blind with a bad understanding of your build and of the P-Organ system, it was my case (+ the fact that you can restat way too late)
Otherwise this game is a banger and I am absolutely in love with it, so much fun, finished it 3 times. If the devs fix some issues, I think I will enjoy it even more
What pisses me off is the fact that I can't get the fuckin trident weapon because I used my rare ergo. I didn't know they were used for trading until it was too late.
This game brought me joy. Such terrible, terrible joy.
This game matches the quality of fromsoft games for me. It even exceeds in many aspects. I thought the flaws in Elden Ring were much more pronounced than in Lies of P but if you say anything bad about that game you’re gonna get sentenced to death lmao
To be quite honest with you I've seen more people hating on Elden ring online than people praising it. Maybe if you said anything bad about Elden ring on the first week of its release you'd be sentenced to death, but nowadays the majority of people online have mostly negative things to say about Elden ring.
You don’t have to use a heavy attack to knock down an enemy. You can use a shot-put. You can also get more damage during a knock down but using a heavy attack before and after the R1. Most of the criticism for this game is uncalled for.
I completely disagree with that bad parts you said
Which parts? lol
I really don't like combat systems that don't reward parrying correctly. You shouldn't have to perfectly parry a superstrong enemy 70 times to do 3% of their healthbar. Bloodborne had it great. Parrying was not very hard and every riposte took out the enemy completely or delivered a huge chunk of damage. Same in Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. There is no reward in parrying good in Lies of P.
Tbh lies of p got better on ng+ and ng++ with the new skills that get unlocked
Agree with the level design at the ending being bad, feels rushed. But in comparisson DS1 late game is not good too.
The game being so linear is pretty much the only thing that takes away from that “souls itch” I guess you could call it. There’s very very little exploration, which is one of the main points of the souls experience. I believe it was probably a budget thing tho, so it would be cool if they added more in future games as I’m sure they would have more funding
While that's totally fair i think the linear design helps push the idea that P is a puppet, he goes and does what he is told. A puppet has no desire to go off the main path to achieve different goals. Even the sub quests (that ive done) seem to be something you find along the way, not something you have to search for. It isn't until later into the game that he starts to understand being human.
So admittedly, I'm only to what I'd call the "pre-late game" just through the arcade so I really can't comment on the "it doesn't finish strong" comments that you make but so far I have to say that this is the best non-Fromsoft soulslike I've ever played. Also, I don't think you're doing your motivity build right because I have found it to be the stat of choice for consistent damage output.
The game was really fun and really well made but it didn’t feel new in a way. The best part is the aesthetic. My overall rating is a 7/10
It doesn't have to reinvent the wheel to be a good soulslike it's like the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it 😊❤