Great comparison - a joy to watch too. So many buyers of second hand Leafs in New Zealand. There are three in our street. Electric cars are such a joy to drive. We still have a "Clean Car Discount" on EVs in NZ. Being newly retired we were able to afford a base model Ioniq 5. Happy motoring and keep those great videos coming.
Love my 2021 Leaf e+ tekna. Love the chunky physical buttons and that the rear view mirror has a camera mode. 360 degree camera, one pedal driving mode. Always charge at home which is a big factor.
I would avoid Nissan Leaf, production started in 2010 and it hasn't changed much since, especially the lack of active cooling/heating of the battery will make the battery suffer
@@casperhansen826 for the 40kwh version maybe but for the 62kwh it's a non issue. the leaf is still one of the most reliable EVs on the market so I wouldn't be so quick to shoot it down.
@@casperhansen826 The lack of active cooling impacts the charging speed massively, but the degradation isn't really that much worse than with cars that have active cooling. There's a Japanese YTer who has driven about 260000 km with his 2018 ZE1. His degradation is 20%. I watched a video featuring a M3 from 2019 with 280000 km. The battery had lost 16% capacity. And several suspension components had been replaced in less than 4 years. As a daily the Leaf works reasonably well.
Great topic for a video, we really need more EVs well under £30k Worth noting that the MG4 SE Long Range is also under £30k and has an EV Database real world range of more than double the MINI and 80 miles more than the Leaf. The SE LR also charges 3x higher power than the Leaf and has CCS, not ChaDeSlo. The MINI is also a much smaller car, it is a 2 door, so getting anyone into the back is a pain and the boot is tiny. As a family car the MG4 makes a lot more sense, if you have £30k to buy a tiny runabout, then fair enough The MG4 also has RWD, 50:50 weight distribution and well sorted suspension, so there is plenty of driving enjoyment to be had too
I guess manufacturers removed their cheaper/smaller battery EVs because not enough people were buying them. I wonder if, over time, that happens with the cheapest MG4. The MG4 is the clear winner in this test. The Mini is great but I don't understand why handling is so important if it's main role is "around town".
I think you'll find that prices started to spiral once the UK government scrapped the EV discount. Before that most manufacturers had at least one base model that came in under £35k. Now that they don't have to try and hit that figure, it's all gone mad. A Tesla isn't worth £45k+ just like an iPhone isn't worth £1k+. All these companies do is create "must have" products that foolish people need to own. But let's be honest, people aren't spending multiple thousands of their own money...... No, it's all about finance. This allows people to create the illusion of fake affluence whilst behind closed doors they are racking up large monthly debt.
Your obviously not a “driver”. The handling and fun factory are the most important thing to me, doesnt matter if its on the track (i have tracks cars) or around town. I simply cant drive boring cars.
Bought my Mini Electric last May for retail price. 12,000 miles later and it’s just as fun as the day i bought it❤ One of the most underrated EVs in terms of driving experience out there!
That has it going for it. The Mini-e before it was better (ignoring 2 seater), there used to be a 1-series electric back +10 years ago But what's offered now are far too upmarket. Like every MINI now, it was a very unpleasant experience for me driving a 2014. The ergonomics and image/plushness, just unpleasant knowing what could be if the decision making was geared different.
My most important factor for choosing an EV is real range per £ cost of vehicle, with a minimum real range of 200 miles. For that reason I have ordered the MG4 Long range. If anybody else knows a better vehicle on this factor I would love to hear.
In the EV Database website you can sort the cars by range per £. Sorted that way, MG get 4 of the top 5 spots with the long range MG4 coming in first. The non-MG is the CUPRA Born 77 kWh e-Boost.
Wrong, it might be the most important factor for you, but not for everyone. For me its the style and fun factor. I hate boring vehicles. So the MG4 is not for me
Of the three you recommend, it's definitely the MG4 that wins and I think it's the better looking of all three too. But why does the Zoe get a lower Euro NCAP rating? Is it being compromised by software, which I think is an unfair way to measure the car, rather than how it performs in an accident.
Yeh to save money in the latest version they swapped the old head air bag which protects your head during a side impact for a cheaper one. But in every other way the Zoe has got to be one of the best electric options in this price bracket.
Has to be MG4; Leaf’s past it’s best and either needs a new model, or being replaced altogether now. As for MINI, well… fun, maybe, but it’s primarily for urban use due to range limitations.
Having been driving EV for 10 years now we currently own two LEAFs and one MG between us. I prefer the LEAF , I am also an oldie. My son needed a car in a hurry after he was swiped off his electric m/cycle. The MG works well both for his daily commute and also for weekend drive. A big bonus in the MG is the flat rear floor, making so much more space than in the LEAF.
I’d still recommend the ZOE from a performance, range, reliability point of view. Maybe not as technically advanced as the MG (which is having a few teething issues at the moment) but a worthy competitor especially for town driving. Give people the choice!
You are definitely right about the charging network, it’s getting worse in the rural areas eg North Wales, had 5 sites now we are lucky if we have 1 on Service Stations even taken away our favourites in Shrewsbury and Oswestry!!!!! WHY?
The monthly payment is only part of the cost. How about giving an indication of the insurance group, especially as that can change with trim level, and efficiency in real world miles per kilowatt. Tom's video alluded to the high price of Tesla insurance, so I'm sure that element of car "ownership" is crucial when deciding what we can afford.
I have an MG4 SE standard range on order and the insurance through Churchill was actually £5.00 less per year than my current 2016 Sportage diesel. I'm 55 and annually it will be £242 fully comp on the MG4. As long as the insurer has access to the API code for the car model, it's fine.
Would love an EV but sadly I'm more likely to get petrol again for economic reasons. Both the Leaf and Zoe were perhaps ground breaking in their day but seem a bit last generation. I did look at the MG4, but an owners forum convinced me to look elsewhere. Can't see much changing for the next couple of years until there's some real competition in this sector of the market.
Fairly balanced vid, BUT You fall into the normal misuse of the word 'affordable'. 40 cars in my street. None are new, many 10 years old. These are the people who will probably never own an EV.
Fiat has reintroduced the 24 kWh battery 500e which officially costs £28,195 according to their website. However, my local dealer is currently discounting the 42kWh Red model down to £27,500.
I took advance of the 'Leaf Experience' when having my petrol Nissan serviced recently. As you say Ginny, The Leaf is a great car to drive. One thing I noticed was the very audible lane departure warning signal got to be a bit annoying.
Yes, thats our problem to, EV prices were already a lot higher than comparable ICE cars. Last two years they went completely out of reach. There are so many small ICE cars even below £18.000, like: The Hyundai i10, Mitsubishi Space Star, Dacia Sandero, Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda, Kia Picanto, Toyota Aygo X, Fiat 500, VW UP, Suzuki Ignis, Hyundai i20, Suzuki Swift, Citroen C3, Mazda 2 Opel Corsa, Dacia Duster, Toyota Yaris, Fiat 500C, Dacia Jogger, SEAT Ibiza, Renault Clio, Skoda Fabia, VW Polo. . . . to name a few. An EV with a usable range of 200mls is hard to be found below £30k. So the masses will stay in their small cheaper ICE cars, as long as there are no EV's below £20.000. And dont forget, you will have to pay a lot more rent every month, when you need to get a loan for a £20.000 than for a loan £30.000. That adds up to the difference between ICE and EV.
And the worst part is that city cars are actually disappearing on ICE versions as well. No ford fiesta anymore VW polo will not be renewed etc. So no way we are going to have EV version of a vehicle that doesn’t even have a ICE version anymore. The small EV cars we have now are all over 30K
Have to admit I winced a bit at the quoted PCP prices, I've had a Leaf Acenta now for almost 14 months but on a 3 year lease, I paid £2100 upfront and my monthly payment is £224 admittedly for 6000 miles a year rather than 10,000, I know I got in just before interest rates went crazy but at current prices I couldn't afford the same again at the lease end, much as I love EV driving and doing my bit for the environment economic pressure could mean returning to an ICE car next time.
Major drawback of the leaf, which you didn't mention, is that the CHADEMO charging port is effectively obsolete. You mentioned it's slow by modern standards (50kw) but not that you'll be increasingly struggling to find public charging ports. This will of course affect the resale value and therefore the PCP costs. Nissan really need to get with the modern world!
All the new chargers in my local area (and the council has installed lots) all have Chademo. I don't see Chademo being an issue for many years to come. When I had my Leaf, Chademo worked faultlessly, CCS doesn't seem so robust and appears to take longer to handshake with the car.
MG is in a different league, technology and value wise. I can understand if you like the mini for it's style, but it's seriously compromised because of this. The Nissan is from another era, when being a pure ev was enough to stand out from the crowd. Still a good vehicle, but it now finds itself bettered in every metric - and for less money...
I personally like the leaf a lot, I like the smart design. And with my morning being only about 6 miles. An electric car would be very useful for me. But as a young driver, it’s way out of my reach at the moment.
Wanting buttons have nothing to do with your age!! It's just honest ergonomics. Most modern cars going 12 years old are suffering most from electrical failures. Infotainment. I'd rather an electric car had more flexible spec that had intuitive but simple user controls. Even analogue! Like the Citroën C-Zero Mitsubishi i-MiEV! One reason why I would never want the Honda-e, besides it's very over hyped.
If I had to buy an electric vehicle, the MG would be my choice, the other two wouldn't cope with my daily commute, the Mini may just manage two days before charging, the Leaf, I would kill the battery very early on, but as I can't have a home charger, and in practical terms, for where I live, I need a small vehicle, (I currently drive a 2011 Smart ForTwo diesel), an electric vehicle is a long way off for me
I know that thAt most of the time I drive no more than 20 miles but when I do 200 to 300 miles, half of London is doing the same. Waiting for a charger, isn’t fun. Specifically with little kids.
Sure does! Basically they make you buy the car, while also paying interest on those payments and then when you get to the end its too expensive to purchase it outright so they take it back and also sell it into used market for profit. In return you get nothing but the vain pleasure of a 'new car' 🤣
Literally no one keeps the car beyond the term, they just hand the car back and get a new one. It's basically renting the car with an option to pay a few grand to buy it at the end, oh and you're bound to a set mileage lol. I'll do whatever the hell I want with my car, thank you. An extra tenner a month and it's on HP so I actually own my car at the end and have a tangible asset..
Stop it with the handling. Most "Normal" people wouldn't know good from bad handling when going to the shops / work. I know this is a RUclips channel, but it would be nice if you supplied info to the "normal" buyer not the enthusiast. As you reviewed in the C5X... comfortable transport for the masses.. please push this concept for a bit.
You don't have to be enthusiast to enjoy good handling, it is just a matter of does it do what you expect or does it surprise you in a bad way when driving
You misrepresent the Zoe. The ncap rating for the Zoe was based on the entry level model without various safety features which nobody buys in the UK and because ncap constantly changes it's testing standards.
Well pretty much every motoring journalist seems to have decided that whatever they've done (which I think involves fewer airbags).. It's puts the model beneath contempt.
The longest single round-trip journey I did in the last 3 years (pandemic era) was 110 miles to Stansted airport and back. The idea that people still have range anxiety is false. The primary reason that people stay away from EVs is price. I have an MG4 on order for May delivery and I paid £26,995 for it "on PCP of course". By the time I allow for cheaper electricity running costs and maintenance costs, it will actually only cost me around £50 per month more than my current costs. This is based on the fact that my current car is paid for so any new car was going to introduce finance that isn't there at the moment. So a brand new EV that'll do an average of 150 miles on a single charge for around £50 per month was a no brainer for me.
I do agree that not just the UK need to change their minds on infrastructure and add incentives. Because South Africa has the Mini Cooper SE which is luxury car prices, and not in the average Joe's salary capabilities. MG doesn't even feature. Ora is talking about bring the Funky Cat here, but still it would be almost twice the price of what Joe and Jane would be capable of spending on a car. So smaller batteries with the Mini's range would work, if the infrastructure could deal with it. 75 - 100 miles(120 - 160km) between stops would work out perfectly. As the cars would urge their driver's to subsequently take more frequent stops and could end up being more rested. I know people would say that they want to drive at least 200miles+, but it would most definitely help younger driver's stop and rest more, as if would make more arrogant older / experienced drivers take that chill pill and make life calm down to the pace that they could be going at. I vote, you should become a party of contention for the greener energies.
Plenty of lightly used EV’s under £30k. Kia E-Niro, Tesla Model 3 and Hyundai Ionic and Kona. Kia offers a 7 year warranty which is comforting when moving to new propulsion technology.
My Cupra Born cost less than an Audi Q3 S line so are they that much more ? The Cupra has more standard kit in V2 trim than the Q3 S line. Even a VW T-ROC in R line trim with similar spec is £34,000.
The prices are still stupid when you consider that you can get a used inventory tesla model 3 that's just a couple years old for the same money. Its mad where this group of cars have ended up on list price.
As ever : fabulous edutainment. And Timely! WHAT will Tesla announce tonight 1/3/23 at their Live ( You Tube) steamed “Investor day” ??? ‘Model 2’ on 3rd Gen. Platform ( 4 door compact) with a Starting Price of $24k ? Or $29k with Autopilot? 275+ mile range etc etc Add EAP or FSD or FSD+ as an OTA and you get a car that will make YOU money as a RoboTaxi. A Totally new Paradigm which will cause equal pain and pleasure for the Car Industry around the World.
Buying an EV now (in the UK) is like buying an over priced iPhone. But not to fret, the Chinese will soon be flooding the market with truly affordable models.
As far as I’m concerned, the Vauxhall Combo estate car is pretty much my favourite as Wheelhome make a small camper out of it!! So the Combo gets a big T E N from me!!
Off all the parameters regarding batteries, you miss out the most important, the 100% charging on a daily basis for LFP’s. For non LFPs the daily range is 80% of that stated. For LFP’s it’s 100%.
I've heard this a lot recently but our Nissan Leaf 30kwh is now 7 year old and I haven't noticed a huge drop in range even though it has nearly always been charged to 100%. We recently lost the first of the 12 battery bars and still getting a range of about 110 miles range (in summer) after 50k miles. I have heard much worse from other people. You have to remember that EVs when they report they are at 100% they are not really - there is extra capacity which the car won't allow you to use in order to protect the battery life (same at the low end - so 0% is not really 0%). So, when I get my MG4-LR soon I won't be limiting my charging to 80% all the time.
I'm starting to think that motor manufacturers are trying to get the buying public used to the notion that electric cars are expensive, so that when they stop making petrol and diesel cars, they've already set a new normal (higher) price for electric cars.
I was not a fan of the mini EV because is 3 door, small boot and less range. If is a 5 door version with a usable boot, then it might be a different story. I end up buying a 21 reg bmw i3 instead. My budget was tight so is obviously is a used car, but if I gonna buy new out of the 3. I would pick MG4 any day.
LiFePo batteries have to be the way forward if EV's are going to have a decent life expectancy and still give the less well-off a decent car when they're bought second hand with high mileages and 10+ years old. EV durability is still something the marketplace has very little data to go off.
Why would anyone want a car in London. An unfit snail could travel faster across the city. Even at £30k the market needs to progress a bit further so theres a healthy second hand market. Remember the average UK salary before tax is £31k. So an EV still a niche product alas. I drive a 14 year old small petrol hatchback, fully depreciated and do all my own maintaince. Insurance v low. So no incentive for me to swap to an EV....yet!
£10k price increase for the Honda E is INSANE. It's not like you're getting a better car either. It is the same model that 2 years ago would have cost 10k less... Yikes.
My wife bought the cheapest ev in our country 22000e dacia spring. Used ev are twice the price I don't know the reason but for me is crazy to pay so much money for used car
Demand is high, ppl willing to overpay is keeping the price high the race to going fully electric by 2030 wil only increase the shortygess on parts. brands canceling options like a heatpump ext The waiting time for a Enyaq is 28 months here. lets say there decrease the price with 10.000 all pll that are waiting will run for the hill to be able to cancel. Or skoda kan give ppl the car at the decreased price.... NOT going to happen more than 2 yaers of orders and already profit in the pocket to just keep selling and increasing price
Tesla dropping the price by £4-5k is a move to suggest Tesla will do it again passing on the savings is welcome. China will rule the roads if European manufacturers don’t watch with cheap reliable EV’s -MG being the start.
Yet again, paid BMW brand ambassador picks the BMW group product as the winner in a test and has nothing remotely negative to say about it. This is starting to get awkward
How do you reach that conclusion? Reliable? EVs have a far simpler drive-train with a fraction of the number of moving parts as a combustion car. Cheaper? As they said in the video, the MG4 is cheaper than a Ford Focus. It's also less expensive than a VW Golf and a whole host of other family five door hatchbacks. Cheaper? At standard tariff home charging the MG4 SE SR in this video is about half the cost per mile of a Diesel VW Golf and cheaper still if on an EV tariff. Cheaper? My MG4 cost £87 for its first service, less than half that of most ICE cars. Basically, EVs don't require servicing as there's nothing much to do. Holidays? The MG4 is as roomy and comfortable as any of the ICE competition and better than most; far quieter and more relaxing on long journeys. Journeys over 200 miles might take a little longer than in an ICE, but this doesn't equate to much more than a sensible strategy for comfort and safety in any car. I've driven compared journeys between Bridport in Dorset to Stirling in Scotland, a distance of over 450 miles, EV vs ICE. There was virtually no difference in journey times, but the MG was far more relaxing and pleasant.
As always the British driver is being ripped off, this has been the case for probably 4 decades. Watch as the Chinese vehicles arrive and, mysteriously double in price.
@Electrifying, I’d love to hear your thoughts on whether or not you believe the current UK government is stifling the uptake of EVs in general. If you compare us to our supposed peer countries, EV adoption seems a lot more consumer-friendly and environmentally-focused abroad, trying to target that 2030(ish) EV goal. Whilst Scotland repeatedly tries to focus on green schemes etc, Westminster seem adamant we need to revert to oil and - inexplicably - even COAL again. It’s my opinion that UK lobbying by the fossil giants has meant the UK has PURPOSELY stalled EV adoption to squeeze a little more out of petrol - lowering petrol costs by relative value whilst axing things like EV tax exemption, grants, and even allowing charge station providers to become the Wild West (with some fast chargers costing MORE than petrol equivalent now). Am I being a mad conspiracy theorist, or am I just following the money to the grubby truth?
I really can't understand the "we drive 20 miles per day"... I have been driving 80 to 150 miles per day my ENTIRE working life.... Plus 10 to 12 hrs per day on a construction site. Even my part-time working wife does more than 20 miles per day..... Maybe my retired Mother does 20 miles per day.
Mika, it’s an average for the UK, my daily is roughly 25-30 miles but can also only be 6 miles! All depends on what people do for work and how they travel.
@@alastairgoffey6073 It is a stupid average to keep quoting. 12 to 15,000 miles per year is realistic.... If you did less than 20 per day it means you don't need a car... a pedal bike / electric scooter would do. I get the "average" if you add all the cars by all the people & miles driven etc... As some people have more than one vehicle. OK... Yes... I do more than the 12 to 15,000 miles per year.... but I do understand that I am above average
@@markmueller8099 It would have been better to say something that is at least realistic. Clearly an EV with just 100 miles range is very limiting but most have 200 or 200+ and that is sufficient for most local running about plus the odd longer run. At least... that is how we feel and we had our first EV in 2016.... Now on our second and the additional range + fast charging is everything we need.
These cars are great as a second car about town runaround but you need to fork out a ton of dosh for something that will take you a decent distance. Many EV manufactures claim their car range is something which is never achieved so it’s ICE cars for the foreseeable future.
The Scottish scheme for new cars finished last year. In July I think. The one for used cars also recently closed. Also our trusted First Minister has gone. Scotland is trying hard to get real progress in the best direction but there are very strong forces against us.
Come on guys!! I love the channel but there is no amount of spin that can make sense of sentence that contains "affordable" and "electrics" unless you slip a "not" in there somewhere.
Now you mention 3 EV vs 100+ petrol cars Something that strikes me with most EVs is how much "extra stuff" you get.... And maybe it is just because I havent looked at newer ICE cars, as that has no interest to me, so they have the same. But if not... Have you made a comparison where you take like the top spec MG4, that is still extremely cheap imo, and see how much a petrol car would have to cost if should have all the same bells and whistles - is the EV still more expensive? Or does that even out the playingfield a lot more? (And I get there will be a lot of people saying "but I don't want those things anyway, so why do I have to pay for them in the EV" but would still be an interesting comparison
You talk all the good bits about these EVs but avoid all the disadvantages. Not a balanced video and just part of the brainwashing trend into buying EVs.
Over their lifetime they're around 50% better than an ice car, so thats why. Plus they are generally a nicer driving experience for like normal every day driving
There’s a useful video to help from the other week on this channel dispelling various myths or mis-represented data by people who pocket dosh making a living out of hyping it up. Of course there are genuine concerns so I’d urge looking in detail from a broad range of properly peer reviewed research about the progress that is being made to address, despite already being way ahead compared to fossil fuel. My main concern is insufficient government support to modernise and eventually normalise greener vehicles, and we may lag behind other developed countries even more.
@@jimrandall1739 they are from the display of a friend of mine who was shocked.He thought he could do something for the enviroment and save on gas with his Mg 4. He doesn't save at all because at that consumption it's more expensive than gasoline.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 that’s 0.27 kwh per km. In the UK it costs 9 pence per kWh cheap rate, so 2.43 pence per km or over 41 kms for £1. In my petrol car I get 9.6 kms for my £1
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 Thank, For the 51kwh battery it works out about a 124 mile range. I think from the reply you are from the USA and in some states your winter temperatures are very low. Im in the uk and I've had my ev for 3 years, lowest temps just around 0c with quite good range. In the last 2 months its been down to -5 to -10 for a short time, it made a huge differance to the range, 220 miles in the summer to 180 at just above 0c and 160 when its below 0c. So, you are right but it's worth hanging in there. You will save over the year and it is definitely cleaner for the local envioronment.
Great comparison - a joy to watch too. So many buyers of second hand Leafs in New Zealand. There are three in our street. Electric cars are such a joy to drive. We still have a "Clean Car Discount" on EVs in NZ. Being newly retired we were able to afford a base model Ioniq 5. Happy motoring and keep those great videos coming.
Love my 2021 Leaf e+ tekna. Love the chunky physical buttons and that the rear view mirror has a camera mode. 360 degree camera, one pedal driving mode. Always charge at home which is a big factor.
I would avoid Nissan Leaf, production started in 2010 and it hasn't changed much since, especially the lack of active cooling/heating of the battery will make the battery suffer
@@casperhansen826 for the 40kwh version maybe but for the 62kwh it's a non issue. the leaf is still one of the most reliable EVs on the market so I wouldn't be so quick to shoot it down.
Same for me the 360 camera and just the easy driving made it my buy to
@@casperhansen826 The lack of active cooling impacts the charging speed massively, but the degradation isn't really that much worse than with cars that have active cooling.
There's a Japanese YTer who has driven about 260000 km with his 2018 ZE1. His degradation is 20%. I watched a video featuring a M3 from 2019 with 280000 km.
The battery had lost 16% capacity. And several suspension components had been replaced in less than 4 years.
As a daily the Leaf works reasonably well.
Great topic for a video, we really need more EVs well under £30k
Worth noting that the MG4 SE Long Range is also under £30k and has an EV Database real world range of more than double the MINI and 80 miles more than the Leaf. The SE LR also charges 3x higher power than the Leaf and has CCS, not ChaDeSlo.
The MINI is also a much smaller car, it is a 2 door, so getting anyone into the back is a pain and the boot is tiny. As a family car the MG4 makes a lot more sense, if you have £30k to buy a tiny runabout, then fair enough
The MG4 also has RWD, 50:50 weight distribution and well sorted suspension, so there is plenty of driving enjoyment to be had too
I guess manufacturers removed their cheaper/smaller battery EVs because not enough people were buying them. I wonder if, over time, that happens with the cheapest MG4. The MG4 is the clear winner in this test. The Mini is great but I don't understand why handling is so important if it's main role is "around town".
Think it's more about the profits
It's probably just much harder to make a profit on a small city car than a luxury SUv
I think you'll find that prices started to spiral once the UK government scrapped the EV discount. Before that most manufacturers had at least one base model that came in under £35k. Now that they don't have to try and hit that figure, it's all gone mad. A Tesla isn't worth £45k+ just like an iPhone isn't worth £1k+. All these companies do is create "must have" products that foolish people need to own. But let's be honest, people aren't spending multiple thousands of their own money...... No, it's all about finance. This allows people to create the illusion of fake affluence whilst behind closed doors they are racking up large monthly debt.
The ZOE beats all 3 for town driving though, doesn’t it?
Your obviously not a “driver”. The handling and fun factory are the most important thing to me, doesnt matter if its on the track (i have tracks cars) or around town. I simply cant drive boring cars.
Bought my Mini Electric last May for retail price. 12,000 miles later and it’s just as fun as the day i bought it❤
One of the most underrated EVs in terms of driving experience out there!
That has it going for it. The Mini-e before it was better (ignoring 2 seater), there used to be a 1-series electric back +10 years ago
But what's offered now are far too upmarket. Like every MINI now, it was a very unpleasant experience for me driving a 2014.
The ergonomics and image/plushness, just unpleasant knowing what could be if the decision making was geared different.
It's one of the least desirable - or even practical - EV's currently on the market!
@@phuketexplorerunless you actually enjoy driving and handling, then its one of the most desirable
My most important factor for choosing an EV is real range per £ cost of vehicle, with a minimum real range of 200 miles. For that reason I have ordered the MG4 Long range. If anybody else knows a better vehicle on this factor I would love to hear.
In the EV Database website you can sort the cars by range per £. Sorted that way, MG get 4 of the top 5 spots with the long range MG4 coming in first.
The non-MG is the CUPRA Born 77 kWh e-Boost.
Wrong, it might be the most important factor for you, but not for everyone. For me its the style and fun factor. I hate boring vehicles. So the MG4 is not for me
@@Funkyflykiwimg4 is boring for you? 😮
The lfp battery is also lithium ion battery. What you should compare lfp to is the NMC or NCA chemistries which use cobalt and nickel
In my opinion the MG is unbeatable, great video as always 👍
The MG4 is an award winning vehicle for urban practicality and performance.
Of the three you recommend, it's definitely the MG4 that wins and I think it's the better looking of all three too.
But why does the Zoe get a lower Euro NCAP rating? Is it being compromised by software, which I think is an unfair way to measure the car, rather than how it performs in an accident.
Wasn't it an air bag thing?
Yeh to save money in the latest version they swapped the old head air bag which protects your head during a side impact for a cheaper one. But in every other way the Zoe has got to be one of the best electric options in this price bracket.
Has to be MG4; Leaf’s past it’s best and either needs a new model, or being replaced altogether now. As for MINI, well… fun, maybe, but it’s primarily for urban use due to range limitations.
Was working at Luscombes in Leeds last week and there was MG4's everywhere, all sold and awaiting PDI'ing.
Clearly it's selling well.
Having been driving EV for 10 years now we currently own two LEAFs and one MG between us. I prefer the LEAF , I am also an oldie. My son needed a car in a hurry after he was swiped off his electric m/cycle. The MG works well both for his daily commute and also for weekend drive. A big bonus in the MG is the flat rear floor, making so much more space than in the LEAF.
Saw a orange mg4 yesterday ❤❤❤
30 Grand for a Mini, that'll only get you to Tesco's and back! It sounds like a joke that a comedian might come out with.
MG4 will always be the winner
Yep, but it’s a Chinese thing
I'd have the MG, it's the best looking and value
I’d still recommend the ZOE from a performance, range, reliability point of view. Maybe not as technically advanced as the MG (which is having a few teething issues at the moment) but a worthy competitor especially for town driving. Give people the choice!
You are definitely right about the charging network, it’s getting worse in the rural areas eg North Wales, had 5 sites now we are lucky if we have 1 on Service Stations even taken away our favourites in Shrewsbury and Oswestry!!!!! WHY?
The monthly payment is only part of the cost. How about giving an indication of the insurance group, especially as that can change with trim level, and efficiency in real world miles per kilowatt.
Tom's video alluded to the high price of Tesla insurance, so I'm sure that element of car "ownership" is crucial when deciding what we can afford.
I have an MG4 SE standard range on order and the insurance through Churchill was actually £5.00 less per year than my current 2016 Sportage diesel. I'm 55 and annually it will be £242 fully comp on the MG4. As long as the insurer has access to the API code for the car model, it's fine.
Would love an EV but sadly I'm more likely to get petrol again for economic reasons.
Both the Leaf and Zoe were perhaps ground breaking in their day but seem a bit last generation. I did look at the MG4, but an owners forum convinced me to look elsewhere.
Can't see much changing for the next couple of years until there's some real competition in this sector of the market.
Fairly balanced vid, BUT You fall into the normal misuse of the word 'affordable'. 40 cars in my street. None are new, many 10 years old.
These are the people who will probably never own an EV.
Fiat has reintroduced the 24 kWh battery 500e which officially costs £28,195 according to their website. However, my local dealer is currently discounting the 42kWh Red model down to £27,500.
I took advance of the 'Leaf Experience' when having my petrol Nissan serviced recently. As you say Ginny, The Leaf is a great car to drive. One thing I noticed was the very audible lane departure warning signal got to be a bit annoying.
You can switch it off.
Yes, thats our problem to, EV prices were already a lot higher than comparable ICE cars. Last two years they went completely out of reach.
There are so many small ICE cars even below £18.000, like:
The Hyundai i10, Mitsubishi Space Star, Dacia Sandero, Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda, Kia Picanto, Toyota Aygo X, Fiat 500, VW UP, Suzuki Ignis, Hyundai i20, Suzuki Swift, Citroen C3, Mazda 2
Opel Corsa, Dacia Duster, Toyota Yaris, Fiat 500C, Dacia Jogger, SEAT Ibiza, Renault Clio, Skoda Fabia, VW Polo. . . . to name a few.
An EV with a usable range of 200mls is hard to be found below £30k. So the masses will stay in their small cheaper ICE cars, as long as there are no EV's below £20.000.
And dont forget, you will have to pay a lot more rent every month, when you need to get a loan for a £20.000 than for a loan £30.000. That adds up to the difference between ICE and EV.
And the worst part is that city cars are actually disappearing on ICE versions as well.
No ford fiesta anymore VW polo will not be renewed etc.
So no way we are going to have EV version of a vehicle that doesn’t even have a ICE version anymore.
The small EV cars we have now are all over 30K
Have to admit I winced a bit at the quoted PCP prices, I've had a Leaf Acenta now for almost 14 months but on a 3 year lease, I paid £2100 upfront and my monthly payment is £224 admittedly for 6000 miles a year rather than 10,000, I know I got in just before interest rates went crazy but at current prices I couldn't afford the same again at the lease end, much as I love EV driving and doing my bit for the environment economic pressure could mean returning to an ICE car next time.
Handling is really of interest only to motoring journalists. Does it go down the road ok, not bumpy or a harsh ride, not going to go end over end
Major drawback of the leaf, which you didn't mention, is that the CHADEMO charging port is effectively obsolete. You mentioned it's slow by modern standards (50kw) but not that you'll be increasingly struggling to find public charging ports. This will of course affect the resale value and therefore the PCP costs. Nissan really need to get with the modern world!
All the new chargers in my local area (and the council has installed lots) all have Chademo. I don't see Chademo being an issue for many years to come. When I had my Leaf, Chademo worked faultlessly, CCS doesn't seem so robust and appears to take longer to handshake with the car.
The new Nissan Ariya uses type 2/CCS
MG is in a different league, technology and value wise. I can understand if you like the mini for it's style, but it's seriously compromised because of this. The Nissan is from another era, when being a pure ev was enough to stand out from the crowd. Still a good vehicle, but it now finds itself bettered in every metric - and for less money...
I personally like the leaf a lot, I like the smart design. And with my morning being only about 6 miles. An electric car would be very useful for me. But as a young driver, it’s way out of my reach at the moment.
2nd hand leafs are not bad I have the 30kw leaf love it
Wanting buttons have nothing to do with your age!! It's just honest ergonomics. Most modern cars going 12 years old are suffering most from electrical failures. Infotainment.
I'd rather an electric car had more flexible spec that had intuitive but simple user controls. Even analogue! Like the Citroën C-Zero Mitsubishi i-MiEV!
One reason why I would never want the Honda-e, besides it's very over hyped.
If I had to buy an electric vehicle, the MG would be my choice, the other two wouldn't cope with my daily commute, the Mini may just manage two days before charging, the Leaf, I would kill the battery very early on, but as I can't have a home charger, and in practical terms, for where I live, I need a small vehicle, (I currently drive a 2011 Smart ForTwo diesel), an electric vehicle is a long way off for me
No good if you don't have parking at home. Charging is far too expensive on public chargers.
Chevy Bolt for $27k in USA is low cost winner
But it’s twice smaller
Nissan should be the best choice no doubt
I know that thAt most of the time I drive no more than 20 miles but when I do 200 to 300 miles, half of London is doing the same. Waiting for a charger, isn’t fun. Specifically with little kids.
Thank you, both. But PCP has a balloon payment at the end, doesn't it?
Sure does!
Basically they make you buy the car, while also paying interest on those payments and then when you get to the end its too expensive to purchase it outright so they take it back and also sell it into used market for profit. In return you get nothing but the vain pleasure of a 'new car' 🤣
Dealers don't sell cars any more they sell finance
Literally no one keeps the car beyond the term, they just hand the car back and get a new one.
It's basically renting the car with an option to pay a few grand to buy it at the end, oh and you're bound to a set mileage lol.
I'll do whatever the hell I want with my car, thank you. An extra tenner a month and it's on HP so I actually own my car at the end and have a tangible asset..
The Mini is a nice little car. However, it’s not a practical proposition for me!! The Leaf 8:39 is a good looking vehicle with better practicality.
Stop it with the handling. Most "Normal" people wouldn't know good from bad handling when going to the shops / work.
I know this is a RUclips channel, but it would be nice if you supplied info to the "normal" buyer not the enthusiast.
As you reviewed in the C5X... comfortable transport for the masses.. please push this concept for a bit.
You don't have to be enthusiast to enjoy good handling, it is just a matter of does it do what you expect or does it surprise you in a bad way when driving
Well said Casper, on my Mini Cooper electric I remove the rear seats and did a bunch of suspension modifications to improve the fun factor!
You misrepresent the Zoe. The ncap rating for the Zoe was based on the entry level model without various safety features which nobody buys in the UK and because ncap constantly changes it's testing standards.
Well pretty much every motoring journalist seems to have decided that whatever they've done (which I think involves fewer airbags).. It's puts the model beneath contempt.
The longest single round-trip journey I did in the last 3 years (pandemic era) was 110 miles to Stansted airport and back. The idea that people still have range anxiety is false. The primary reason that people stay away from EVs is price. I have an MG4 on order for May delivery and I paid £26,995 for it "on PCP of course". By the time I allow for cheaper electricity running costs and maintenance costs, it will actually only cost me around £50 per month more than my current costs. This is based on the fact that my current car is paid for so any new car was going to introduce finance that isn't there at the moment. So a brand new EV that'll do an average of 150 miles on a single charge for around £50 per month was a no brainer for me.
I do agree that not just the UK need to change their minds on infrastructure and add incentives. Because South Africa has the Mini Cooper SE which is luxury car prices, and not in the average Joe's salary capabilities. MG doesn't even feature. Ora is talking about bring the Funky Cat here, but still it would be almost twice the price of what Joe and Jane would be capable of spending on a car. So smaller batteries with the Mini's range would work, if the infrastructure could deal with it. 75 - 100 miles(120 - 160km) between stops would work out perfectly. As the cars would urge their driver's to subsequently take more frequent stops and could end up being more rested. I know people would say that they want to drive at least 200miles+, but it would most definitely help younger driver's stop and rest more, as if would make more arrogant older / experienced drivers take that chill pill and make life calm down to the pace that they could be going at.
I vote, you should become a party of contention for the greener energies.
True you ladies do have the solution.
Great video 😃
Plenty of lightly used EV’s under £30k. Kia E-Niro, Tesla Model 3 and Hyundai Ionic and Kona. Kia offers a 7 year warranty which is comforting when moving to new propulsion technology.
My Cupra Born cost less than an Audi Q3 S line so are they that much more ? The Cupra has more standard kit in V2 trim than the Q3 S line. Even a VW T-ROC in R line trim with similar spec is £34,000.
The prices are still stupid when you consider that you can get a used inventory tesla model 3 that's just a couple years old for the same money.
Its mad where this group of cars have ended up on list price.
As ever : fabulous edutainment. And Timely! WHAT will Tesla announce tonight 1/3/23 at their Live ( You Tube) steamed “Investor day” ??? ‘Model 2’ on 3rd Gen. Platform ( 4 door compact) with a Starting Price of $24k ? Or $29k with Autopilot? 275+ mile range etc etc Add EAP or FSD or FSD+ as an OTA and you get a car that will make YOU money as a RoboTaxi. A Totally new Paradigm which will cause equal pain and pleasure for the Car Industry around the World.
Buying an EV now (in the UK) is like buying an over priced iPhone. But not to fret, the Chinese will soon be flooding the market with truly affordable models.
As far as I’m concerned, the Vauxhall Combo estate car is pretty much my favourite as Wheelhome make a small camper out of it!! So the Combo gets a big T E N from me!!
Hey peoples, any news on the Dacia Spring EV ? I thought it was coming to the UK this year and will be under 15K ?
I believe 2024 is the plan. I also won't hold out for under £15k, Spring's are £20,000 in Europe once you remove their subsidies.
I don’t think the Dacia spring is coming to the UK… at least, at the moment. Only Europe and other markets.
Used EV prices have been falling very fast of late. Tesla model three now available under £30k used, E208 for £20k anyone?
The mini does not have android auto support, and you can have more than the 3 colours you stated.
Off all the parameters regarding batteries, you miss out the most important, the 100% charging on a daily basis for LFP’s. For non LFPs the daily range is 80% of that stated. For LFP’s it’s 100%.
I've heard this a lot recently but our Nissan Leaf 30kwh is now 7 year old and I haven't noticed a huge drop in range even though it has nearly always been charged to 100%. We recently lost the first of the 12 battery bars and still getting a range of about 110 miles range (in summer) after 50k miles. I have heard much worse from other people. You have to remember that EVs when they report they are at 100% they are not really - there is extra capacity which the car won't allow you to use in order to protect the battery life (same at the low end - so 0% is not really 0%). So, when I get my MG4-LR soon I won't be limiting my charging to 80% all the time.
@@brentmeistergeneral1054 MG4 has had rave reviews, with the LR bigger battery (NMC rather than LFP) hotly anticipated..enjoy!
Yes... Full ticket price is higher. But look at leasing. Citroen E-C4 on HP.... £534/mth..... E-C4 on 10,000 miles lease £265/mth.....
Own nothing and be happy? Lol
@@shawing Certainly is one option.... 👍
I'm starting to think that motor manufacturers are trying to get the buying public used to the notion that electric cars are expensive, so that when they stop making petrol and diesel cars, they've already set a new normal (higher) price for electric cars.
Obviously, any thing that is newly started must be expensive before more competitors start to simplify their product.👍💁
I was not a fan of the mini EV because is 3 door, small boot and less range. If is a 5 door version with a usable boot, then it might be a different story. I end up buying a 21 reg bmw i3 instead. My budget was tight so is obviously is a used car, but if I gonna buy new out of the 3. I would pick MG4 any day.
Did you forget the smart cars both around 20k and the e~up and its siblings which are also under30k
Certainly in the UK you can't buy a new e-Up any more, presumably the same with it's clones.
LiFePo batteries have to be the way forward if EV's are going to have a decent life expectancy and still give the less well-off a decent car when they're bought second hand with high mileages and 10+ years old.
EV durability is still something the marketplace has very little data to go off.
Where are the Stellantis cars?????
Why would anyone want a car in London. An unfit snail could travel faster across the city. Even at £30k the market needs to progress a bit further so theres a healthy second hand market. Remember the average UK salary before tax is £31k. So an EV still a niche product alas. I drive a 14 year old small petrol hatchback, fully depreciated and do all my own maintaince. Insurance v low. So no incentive for me to swap to an EV....yet!
为什么没有Tesla model3和BYD seal ，那两款电动车不错。
£10k price increase for the Honda E is INSANE. It's not like you're getting a better car either. It is the same model that 2 years ago would have cost 10k less... Yikes.
surely they can't be selling many at that price?
£30000 is not an affordable car
My wife bought the cheapest ev in our country 22000e dacia spring. Used ev are twice the price I don't know the reason but for me is crazy to pay so much money for used car
The Dacia Spring needs to be sold in the UK! Am I right it costs less than €20k in Europe?
Demand is high, ppl willing to overpay is keeping the price high
the race to going fully electric by 2030 wil only increase the shortygess on parts. brands canceling options like a heatpump ext
The waiting time for a Enyaq is 28 months here. lets say there decrease the price with 10.000 all pll that are waiting will run for the hill to be able to cancel.
Or skoda kan give ppl the car at the decreased price.... NOT going to happen more than 2 yaers of orders and already profit in the pocket to just keep selling and increasing price
mini se, no android auto ...
Shameless, Renault Zoe it's not on your list. But it's in my garage and i will not choose any of your 3 ones.
😐
Try under 15,000 as the set goal...
Tesla dropping the price by £4-5k is a move to suggest Tesla will do it again passing on the savings is welcome. China will rule the roads if European manufacturers don’t watch with cheap reliable EV’s -MG being the start.
Yet again, paid BMW brand ambassador picks the BMW group product as the winner in a test and has nothing remotely negative to say about it. This is starting to get awkward
I'm not sure the electric mini handles better than the mg4 🤣.
So the answer if you need a reliable cheap to buy car to carry four people that can take on holiday no EV make the cut sorry.
How do you reach that conclusion?
Reliable? EVs have a far simpler drive-train with a fraction of the number of moving parts as a combustion car.
Cheaper? As they said in the video, the MG4 is cheaper than a Ford Focus. It's also less expensive than a VW Golf and a whole host of other family five door hatchbacks.
Cheaper? At standard tariff home charging the MG4 SE SR in this video is about half the cost per mile of a Diesel VW Golf and cheaper still if on an EV tariff.
Cheaper? My MG4 cost £87 for its first service, less than half that of most ICE cars. Basically, EVs don't require servicing as there's nothing much to do.
Holidays? The MG4 is as roomy and comfortable as any of the ICE competition and better than most; far quieter and more relaxing on long journeys. Journeys over 200 miles might take a little longer than in an ICE, but this doesn't equate to much more than a sensible strategy for comfort and safety in any car. I've driven compared journeys between Bridport in Dorset to Stirling in Scotland, a distance of over 450 miles, EV vs ICE. There was virtually no difference in journey times, but the MG was far more relaxing and pleasant.
As always the British driver is being ripped off, this has been the case for probably 4 decades. Watch as the Chinese vehicles arrive and, mysteriously double in price.
Some difference between ‘cars’ and ‘models’.
Where I'm residing for the price of that mini £29k you can buy a brand new Tesla model 3. Ripped off UK.
MG all day , love
My leaf but the technology’s moved on
One thing to consider is that Nissan Leaf is discontinued for next year. Personally, I wouldn't buy it just because of it...
@Electrifying, I’d love to hear your thoughts on whether or not you believe the current UK government is stifling the uptake of EVs in general. If you compare us to our supposed peer countries, EV adoption seems a lot more consumer-friendly and environmentally-focused abroad, trying to target that 2030(ish) EV goal. Whilst Scotland repeatedly tries to focus on green schemes etc, Westminster seem adamant we need to revert to oil and - inexplicably - even COAL again.
It’s my opinion that UK lobbying by the fossil giants has meant the UK has PURPOSELY stalled EV adoption to squeeze a little more out of petrol - lowering petrol costs by relative value whilst axing things like EV tax exemption, grants, and even allowing charge station providers to become the Wild West (with some fast chargers costing MORE than petrol equivalent now).
Am I being a mad conspiracy theorist, or am I just following the money to the grubby truth?
MG4 is better on every dimension yet the blonde chooses the mini, mini has really nailed it’s target market 😅
I really can't understand the "we drive 20 miles per day"... I have been driving 80 to 150 miles per day my ENTIRE working life.... Plus 10 to 12 hrs per day on a construction site. Even my part-time working wife does more than 20 miles per day..... Maybe my retired Mother does 20 miles per day.
Mika, it’s an average for the UK, my daily is roughly 25-30 miles but can also only be 6 miles! All depends on what people do for work and how they travel.
@@alastairgoffey6073 It is a stupid average to keep quoting. 12 to 15,000 miles per year is realistic.... If you did less than 20 per day it means you don't need a car... a pedal bike / electric scooter would do. I get the "average" if you add all the cars by all the people & miles driven etc... As some people have more than one vehicle. OK... Yes... I do more than the 12 to 15,000 miles per year.... but I do understand that I am above average
@@mikadavies660 what they should have said was the average EV journey in the UK is currently 25-30 miles.
@@markmueller8099 It would have been better to say something that is at least realistic. Clearly an EV with just 100 miles range is very limiting but most have 200 or 200+ and that is sufficient for most local running about plus the odd longer run. At least... that is how we feel and we had our first EV in 2016.... Now on our second and the additional range + fast charging is everything we need.
There is no completion. MG4 is the clear winner.
Shout out to the Scottish government 0% loan for your first ev under £30k iirc. No one ever talks about it.. 🤷♂️
These cars are great as a second car about town runaround but you need to fork out a ton of dosh for something that will take you a decent distance. Many EV manufactures claim their car range is something which is never achieved so it’s ICE cars for the foreseeable future.
The Scottish scheme for new cars finished last year. In July I think.
The one for used cars also recently closed.
Also our trusted First Minister has gone.
Scotland is trying hard to get real progress in the best direction but there are very strong forces against us.
Come on guys!!
I love the channel but there is no amount of spin that can make sense of sentence that contains "affordable" and "electrics" unless you slip a "not" in there somewhere.
Now you mention 3 EV vs 100+ petrol cars
Something that strikes me with most EVs is how much "extra stuff" you get....
And maybe it is just because I havent looked at newer ICE cars, as that has no interest to me, so they have the same. But if not...
Have you made a comparison where you take like the top spec MG4, that is still extremely cheap imo, and see how much a petrol car would have to cost if should have all the same bells and whistles - is the EV still more expensive? Or does that even out the playingfield a lot more? (And I get there will be a lot of people saying "but I don't want those things anyway, so why do I have to pay for them in the EV" but would still be an interesting comparison
Best car for under 30k ain’t an EV!
oh no choosing a BMW branded car again
You talk all the good bits about these EVs but avoid all the disadvantages. Not a balanced video and just part of the brainwashing trend into buying EVs.
Why only focus on brand new ? I’d never buy a new car of any fuel. Lose too much money.
No electric car is good.
Why is it a good idea for everyone to change into electric cars when they take massive amounts of CO2 to produce and import??
Over their lifetime they're around 50% better than an ice car, so thats why.
Plus they are generally a nicer driving experience for like normal every day driving
There’s a useful video to help from the other week on this channel dispelling various myths or mis-represented data by people who pocket dosh making a living out of hyping it up. Of course there are genuine concerns so I’d urge looking in detail from a broad range of properly peer reviewed research about the progress that is being made to address, despite already being way ahead compared to fossil fuel. My main concern is insufficient government support to modernise and eventually normalise greener vehicles, and we may lag behind other developed countries even more.
@@davidlong1459 I'd like to see an energy audit on the single piece aluminium moulding that Tesla has introduced.
The mini electric is quicker than the MG4
The Mg 4 consumes 27kWh per 100km at an average speed of 25kph in the winter. That is completely unacceptable.
Can you cite where you got these numbers from, or are they just made up.
@@jimrandall1739 they are from the display of a friend of mine who was shocked.He thought he could do something for the enviroment and save on gas with his Mg 4. He doesn't save at all because at that consumption it's more expensive than gasoline.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 in a recent test the MG4 was the second best for cold weather range.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 that’s 0.27 kwh per km. In the UK it costs 9 pence per kWh cheap rate, so 2.43 pence per km or over 41 kms for £1. In my petrol car I get 9.6 kms for my £1
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 Thank, For the 51kwh battery it works out about a 124 mile range. I think from the reply you are from the USA and in some states your winter temperatures are very low. Im in the uk and I've had my ev for 3 years, lowest temps just around 0c with quite good range. In the last 2 months its been down to -5 to -10 for a short time, it made a huge differance to the range, 220 miles in the summer to 180 at just above 0c and 160 when its below 0c. So, you are right but it's worth hanging in there. You will save over the year and it is definitely cleaner for the local envioronment.
Mini brand didn't get the Android Auto function
Mini is BMW. BMW only offered android auto after 2022.
@@markmueller8099 on bmw not mini