*This makes my old motor look like a toy **enjoyable.fishing** recommend it's well built. I haven't had it on the water yet, but I'm very sure it will perform just fine.*
TIP: use a section of garden hose as a conduit for your fuel line when running it between the seat and hull. You can thank me when you're not stuck in the swamp with a leaking fuel line. Mud boats get a lot more vibration to wear any friction points along the fuel line.
Thanks for the vid bro. I have a 14x36 and I want to make a surface drive for it, this helped a lot. Cant go wrong with that 5200! I found an old boat on a levee with a tree growing through it. Once I cut the tree down and got all the snakes out of it, I patched it up with some cardboard and 5200. I threw a 25 on it and used that boat for four years with no leaks, before someone stole it.
nice setup,what I did to clean up my boat interior is get 3/4 inch pvc conduit and slide it in rib where you have your lines now.Put gas line inside one and battery cables inside toher one.
does work amazing.... powerful to make wake upstream and downstream... two friends on a 14 Sundolphin Scout Elite canoe. Quick assembly, very solid construction. A great buy.
One thing I suggest is instead of the toggle switch for the auxiliary fuel pump run a wire to the ignition or kill switch so it turns on and off automatically with the motor
I got one in a tractor backhoe and it has been great so far, had to rework the exhaust because it pointed towards the ground and would blow dust and dirt in the air and the air filter would clog up quick, once I replaced the air filter and pointed exhaust out the side it has been great. Do you have a hydraulic oil cooler on your skid steer? I have one on my tractor but with no fan behind it I’m afraid it’s not doing much lol
I like your ideas sir.. I'm in a very different part of the country but you guys down there simply intrigue me! I'd love to come hang with you guys, lol..
I've got this same engine setup on an alumnacraft 1540. You did good to run the 1/4" fuel line the full length... I've got a frankenhose with reduction barbs going from 3/8 to 5/16 to go into the fuel pump then out of the fuel pump through another reduction to 1/4 to connect to the engine The best thing I've done is fasten a PVC board floor on top of the ribs along with a grab bar... I feel much more comfortable moving around. I see other comments about the throttle... I've got my throttle screw turned all the way in so my full throttle is really about 60% throttle. I'm still out running the wake and by that point it seems like the more throttle you give is just louder, higher rpms, more vibration for minimal speed gains... I'm happy cruising 18-20 mph. I'm running the 9.5" prop primarily.
I would move battery over where the fuel tank is and move the fuel tank where the battery is. That way you don't have your main battery cable running right next to the fuel tank... Also I didn't see any fuse on the fuel pump... Or a circuit breaker on the main battery cables I would add that also... If your main battery cable gets shorted out you could have a huge fuel tank fire the way you have all this set up...
If you cut or break off a small pocket knife blade and then hose clamp it to the end of your long tail drive so that the tip of the broken blade is about a 1/16 to an 1/8th inch from touching your prop it will cut and chop all the weeds as the prop swings them by. I wrap the hose clamp in electrical tape. I tried this as a quick fix while fishing crawfish ponds and it worked so well that I never bothered to improve upon it. You could weld it or wire tie it or epoxy it for a more hydro dynamic flow but these things are so crude to start with and it works fine with this 5 minute fix. serrated blade was what i had on me and used. Broke the blade in a vise . The square flat broken tip lines up good at the leading edge of your prop and quickly shortens the pocket knife blade to a usable level. After you hit heavy weeds just raise your prop and rev it once. Weeds will still wrap your shaft in between your blade and shaft but wont matter much.
Watch the ribs on the floor of that topper 14. I had the same boat & the floor flexes when going thru choppy water causing the floor to crack at the edges of those ribs. Look at the new topper 14. They realized they screwed up big time & decided to add solid ribs going across the floor & up the sides like every other Jon boat ever made. Just keep an eye out for that problem. My boat went to crap running just a 6.5hp on the SPS kit, I can only imagine what may happen with all that extra power of a 22hp. Good luck.
Great vid. Suggestions run your fuel line and power cables thru conduit doesn't have to be metal. Use a fuel and dielectric grease on as many electrical components as possible. Shrink fittings are great on your wires are good protection.
Keaton Lingafelter that’s a ton of motor for the 1436. I have a 1542 with 6” gunwhales and it still doesn’t need this 22. I have the same motor and would probably go smaller if I did it again. Your transom isn’t made for this if you have this boat too.
I had the same problem with the grip on my most recent kit. Not a big deal as the stock grip isn't that comfortable anyway. I replace all the grips with slip on foam bicycle grips. Much easier on the hands during long days of operation.
Hey bro I been runnin a long tail for 7 years now and have figured out all kinds a tricks to make an better , cut u a piece of 1/2" pvc that will fit between the prop and the bushing . the pvc will spin freely on the shaft and the weeds won't wrap around it , ever get to polk county lets run the airboat trails on the big lake
You can seal that transom with Bondo fiberglass resin. It will make it waterproof if you cover every inch of the wood. Water just beads off of mine a year after sealing it.
Put your handle back on and drill a 1/4 inch hole through the handle grip and all. put a 1/4 stainless steel eyebolt through it with the eye on the bottom and an acorn nut on top. Now attach a piece of SS cable to your boat rib with a snap or carabiner on it to clip through the eyebolt to hold the engine out of the water. Once you're running just unsnap the leash and drop it in the floor. The handle won't come off anymore and you have both hands free to start the motor.
@@TechnoBabbles the formaldehyde they use in the pressure treated wood pits and errudes the aluminum . Marine grade works too. I personally replaced wood and used starboard. Wich is basically hdpe plastic.
I have almost the same setup with a g3 1436 and a 6.5 hp predator on a swamp runner I also have a light bar and a trolling motor on it and I’ll run about 15 mph how fast does yours go with the 22hp
i have lots of comments! ha. you did it on the cheap. nice. basic boating on an aluminum boat with a 7,5 hp is fun on this boat! go anywhere! but this looks like fun in your enviorment. really different. i'd die if my props touched anything! but i like it!
Dunno bout mounting live battery leads next to gas, but then that's just me :) LOL. At least you'll know that if something goes *wrong*, its only going to do it once....
Nice job, nice setup, the only addition I would make is to treat the wood you have on the transom with resin to seal it up. I would have done this after drilling all the holes in it.
I had a welding shop use aluminum to beef my transom up. Had them use a scrap piece of metal and put a 90 degree bend on top same thickness of the transom. This added some serious stiffening to the whole back end. Also had a thicker piece of aluminum plate on other side and bolted it thru with treated plywood in between. I did not know treated plywood is hard on aluminum?? My fishing boats had had marine grade plywood in them and I never noticed a problem. Might of been 1/4" thick? Should always try to use stainless steel around aluminum.
i just found a carter 6 psi on ebay fuel pump it the one thats round and comes with a filter installed on it look it up better than the clicker type i am having to replace again
I run a 1436 alumacraft with a 13hp it's a blast but I want more speed , when I can use it, I top out at 18 mph @ wot, so I would definitely be interested in seeing a wot run... when you have the chance to of course. Great video
Joey D that’s awesome man!! I will definitely be doing a speed test soon. I have tried but it’s hard to video it and drive. So far I’ve gotten 20mph running across the lake but I know I can get some more. Subscribe and you should get notified when I put up the video of it.
@@TheLostBoyScout I was running and 8", and thinking my gx390 was old and tired, ended up buying an 18hp matched with a 9" weedless.. a bit more work to run, but I'm running 22mph now, being loaded.. added trolling motor, 80lb battery, and a floor, sliding corners so I'm happy!
If you had had Tampa Bay Steel bend a piece of steel in a square U shape that transom would be even stronger. I had mine done too. Arkansas back roads are hell on transoms unless you beef them up big time. Mines aluminum and welded. Same idea tho
@@treylarsonproduction my boat kept breaking welds on the corners. Second or maybe third time into the machine shop someone had a brain storm. Made me a piece all custom. Beefy as heck. No trouble since. I'm running motor way up high like I have a jack plate but dont. Bolted on...it goes fast. Next time in I'll have them extend the transom higher by about 3 inches. Funny but my short shaft johnson motor on short transom boat don't fit right and needs raised about 4 inches to get optimum performance. It really scoots for a little River jon but mines a 1640..lot like yours
Does anyone have information about throttle cable connecting with this kit and governor manipulation with this engine? Stock with this motor I'm only getting about 2,000 rpm should be upwards of 4,000 rpm.. great video thanks for making it.
Can you please do a top speed run with a load in the boat? I have a similar setup with a smaller longtail on the same boat and i want to go to that motor but i dont know if is worth it.
Did you run a return line to the tank? I have the 420cc and it runs on a gravity tank but i want it on external tank. Im afraid it will feed too much gas into the carb if it doesn’t have a return for the extra
*This makes my old motor look like a toy **enjoyable.fishing** recommend it's well built. I haven't had it on the water yet, but I'm very sure it will perform just fine.*
TIP: use a section of garden hose as a conduit for your fuel line when running it between the seat and hull. You can thank me when you're not stuck in the swamp with a leaking fuel line. Mud boats get a lot more vibration to wear any friction points along the fuel line.
Thanks for the vid bro. I have a 14x36 and I want to make a surface drive for it, this helped a lot. Cant go wrong with that 5200! I found an old boat on a levee with a tree growing through it. Once I cut the tree down and got all the snakes out of it, I patched it up with some cardboard and 5200. I threw a 25 on it and used that boat for four years with no leaks, before someone stole it.
nice setup,what I did to clean up my boat interior is get 3/4 inch pvc conduit and slide it in rib where you have your lines now.Put gas line inside one and battery cables inside toher one.
THANK YOU I really needed this. bought a Jon boat was gonna go airboat but this is so much smarter.....Glad ya went Thai style boats...
It’s cool for a budget but it ain’t no airboat 😎.
Nice job on a good looking boat, thanks for sharing!
Thank you for your video. I have another project in mind and wanted to use a 6gal gas tank with a predator motor. Now I know how it's done. Thank you
does work amazing.... powerful to make wake upstream and downstream... two friends on a 14 Sundolphin Scout Elite canoe. Quick assembly, very solid construction. A great buy.
One thing I suggest is instead of the toggle switch for the auxiliary fuel pump run a wire to the ignition or kill switch so it turns on and off automatically with the motor
Arborcraft Surfboards yeah that’s a good idea! Thanks man
You dont need that holley pump at all and it will prob cause flooding / fire.
beautiful nature, a favorite thing, a great boat and motor, friend, you are a happy person!!! )))
All that fast forwarding I did and you still didn’t even run it lol.
He runs it briefly at the end of the video.
Thanks for the heads up
He told you at the beginning what the video was about…
Finally, a video we can all base a decision of of. Great tips and ideas. THANK YOU!
Literally the only video that told me what I needed to know
I would add a stiffener or two between transom and rear seat.. wood, aluminum, something... to distribute some of the torque forward into the hull..
Good video brother installed predator motor on my new holland skid steer seems to be working fine fun boat 👍
I got one in a tractor backhoe and it has been great so far, had to rework the exhaust because it pointed towards the ground and would blow dust and dirt in the air and the air filter would clog up quick, once I replaced the air filter and pointed exhaust out the side it has been great. Do you have a hydraulic oil cooler on your skid steer? I have one on my tractor but with no fan behind it I’m afraid it’s not doing much lol
I like your ideas sir.. I'm in a very different part of the country but you guys down there simply intrigue me! I'd love to come hang with you guys, lol..
I've got this same engine setup on an alumnacraft 1540. You did good to run the 1/4" fuel line the full length... I've got a frankenhose with reduction barbs going from 3/8 to 5/16 to go into the fuel pump then out of the fuel pump through another reduction to 1/4 to connect to the engine
The best thing I've done is fasten a PVC board floor on top of the ribs along with a grab bar... I feel much more comfortable moving around.
I see other comments about the throttle... I've got my throttle screw turned all the way in so my full throttle is really about 60% throttle. I'm still out running the wake and by that point it seems like the more throttle you give is just louder, higher rpms, more vibration for minimal speed gains... I'm happy cruising 18-20 mph. I'm running the 9.5" prop primarily.
Hise Chapman very nice!!! I have been pretty happy with it other than my rivets leaking now. I appreciate the comment!!
I would move battery over where the fuel tank is and move the fuel tank where the battery is. That way you don't have your main battery cable running right next to the fuel tank... Also I didn't see any fuse on the fuel pump... Or a circuit breaker on the main battery cables I would add that also... If your main battery cable gets shorted out you could have a huge fuel tank fire the way you have all this set up...
KABOOM!
Thank you for making this video. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Up to date video of the 22hp with swamprunner on your 14ft? Have plans, but would like to see more.. thanks
If you cut or break off a small pocket knife blade and then hose clamp it to the end of your long tail drive so that the tip of the broken blade is about a 1/16 to an 1/8th inch from touching your prop it will cut and chop all the weeds as the prop swings them by. I wrap the hose clamp in electrical tape. I tried this as a quick fix while fishing crawfish ponds and it worked so well that I never bothered to improve upon it. You could weld it or wire tie it or epoxy it for a more hydro dynamic flow but these things are so crude to start with and it works fine with this 5 minute fix. serrated blade was what i had on me and used. Broke the blade in a vise . The square flat broken tip lines up good at the leading edge of your prop and quickly shortens the pocket knife blade to a usable level. After you hit heavy weeds just raise your prop and rev it once. Weeds will still wrap your shaft in between your blade and shaft but wont matter much.
Watch the ribs on the floor of that topper 14. I had the same boat & the floor flexes when going thru choppy water causing the floor to crack at the edges of those ribs. Look at the new topper 14. They realized they screwed up big time & decided to add solid ribs going across the floor & up the sides like every other Jon boat ever made. Just keep an eye out for that problem. My boat went to crap running just a 6.5hp on the SPS kit, I can only imagine what may happen with all that extra power of a 22hp. Good luck.
I had one that did that also
Do you know what year they changed the design to not crack at the ribs? Im looking at buying a 2018..
Great vid. Suggestions run your fuel line and power cables thru conduit doesn't have to be metal. Use a fuel and dielectric grease on as many electrical components as possible. Shrink fittings are great on your wires are good protection.
I have the same size boat. Been looking for the right size mud motor. Thank you for making this vid lol
Keaton Lingafelter that’s a ton of motor for the 1436. I have a 1542 with 6” gunwhales and it still doesn’t need this 22. I have the same motor and would probably go smaller if I did it again. Your transom isn’t made for this if you have this boat too.
Good video. Gotta love swamp runners. The clamp on the throttle lever also clamps the rubber crip on. Much easier on the hands. Later man....
george davis thanks for the advice man!! I ended up just putting a hole in it and a bolt through it to keep it super secure.
I had the same problem with the grip on my most recent kit. Not a big deal as the stock grip isn't that comfortable anyway. I replace all the grips with slip on foam bicycle grips. Much easier on the hands during long days of operation.
Dirt bike tip, use spray paint in your grip, acts a lube to help slide it on the bar and then when it dries it acts like an adhesive
I like it. It definitely has it uses. Do some good friggin with it. Go for ever on 6 gallons.
Great video
Probably could use a small sealed motorcycle battery, and mount it on the transom. Eliminate the long cable run and the extra weight.
Goop 2 works awesome.....also would seal any small leaks.
Trust me you want that fuel pump!! I swap these motors on zero turns and the stock pump always goes out.. good work
Hey bro I been runnin a long tail for 7 years now and have figured out all kinds a tricks to make an better , cut u a piece of 1/2" pvc that will fit between the prop and the bushing . the pvc will spin freely on the shaft and the weeds won't wrap around it , ever get to polk county lets run the airboat trails on the big lake
Do you have a picture of this?
I know this video is old, but if you havent yet, you should put some fuses in your circuits. Sweet Mud Sled Tho!! CHeErS!
Good stuff thx for sharin
You can seal that transom with Bondo fiberglass resin. It will make it waterproof if you cover every inch of the wood. Water just beads off of mine a year after sealing it.
I love the video, it very informative!! Hopefully I can do a build like this one soon!!
Put hair spray in rubber handle grip. It will stick. Bike tip.
Any spray adhesive should work as well. Great video 👍
Or a locking mountain bike grip.
They just call these long tails in Thailand, and they are everywhere, I should look into our laws in Canada !
Put your handle back on and drill a 1/4 inch hole through the handle grip and all. put a 1/4 stainless steel eyebolt through it with the eye on the bottom and an acorn nut on top. Now attach a piece of SS cable to your boat rib with a snap or carabiner on it to clip through the eyebolt to hold the engine out of the water. Once you're running just unsnap the leash and drop it in the floor. The handle won't come off anymore and you have both hands free to start the motor.
Awesome video thank you
Love the bp 🎵
Don’t use treated wood right against your aluminum! It will eat it away, use normal wood and then seal it
Silly question maybe, but why is that?
Aaron Curtis lumber is usually treated with chemicals that contain copper. Copper erodes aluminum
@@TechnoBabbles the formaldehyde they use in the pressure treated wood pits and errudes the aluminum . Marine grade works too. I personally replaced wood and used starboard. Wich is basically hdpe plastic.
@@TechnoBabbles copper coated arsnik
Just replaced transom in mine, used 2 layers of oak plywood, soaked in fiberglass resin holding up great so far
Big thanks for this.
Nice set up bro
It took me a second to realize you were at bakers creek lol
Use hair spray to keep the grip on the handle bmx guys Do it all the time
Right on
Great upload
Pretty badass you managed a 22hp on 14ft thats like double its HP rating nice!!!
Hairspray should help the grip stay on. Spray it in the grip and slide it on. Let it dry and you're good to go.
I have almost the same setup with a g3 1436 and a 6.5 hp predator on a swamp runner I also have a light bar and a trolling motor on it and I’ll run about 15 mph how fast does yours go with the 22hp
Hey Trey, sick set up man do you have a top speed on it ??
Thanks for the explanation
Marc Bag anytime man!
Hey I’m getting ready to purchase one I was wondering if there’s and problems so far.Also how fast do you go on it?
Nice video and setup young fellow..
Roll Tide..✌
Nice set up.
Great video thanks
i have lots of comments! ha. you did it on the cheap. nice. basic boating on an aluminum boat with a 7,5 hp is fun on this boat! go anywhere! but this looks like fun in your enviorment. really different. i'd die if my props touched anything! but i like it!
Talk talk talk lets see some action
Bro, you should have a fuse between the battery and the switch for the fuel pump circuit.
Thanks alot for the video!
Dunno bout mounting live battery leads next to gas, but then that's just me :) LOL. At least you'll know that if something goes *wrong*, its only going to do it once....
Nice job, nice setup, the only addition I would make is to treat the wood you have on the transom with resin to seal it up. I would have done this after drilling all the holes in it.
And stainless bolts. Those bolts he used will rust easy
How's everything holding up 3+ years later?
5200 is great stuff
Very Good!!!
Update 5 years later how is that boat ? Held up with that motor weight ?
good video. Has anyone run these motors in shallow rocky areas? subbed too
Just moved from Plant City to the desert after 36 years.... I miss my water. What river was that? Alafia?
Was it to much weight in the back I’ve noticed my boat sits low in the back with the 670cc
How fast will it go
Great video, thanks for posting. Only objection is jerking the camera back and forth is a little annoying. Otherwise great information.
I had a welding shop use aluminum to beef my transom up. Had them use a scrap piece of metal and put a 90 degree bend on top same thickness of the transom. This added some serious stiffening to the whole back end. Also had a thicker piece of aluminum plate on other side and bolted it thru with treated plywood in between. I did not know treated plywood is hard on aluminum?? My fishing boats had had marine grade plywood in them and I never noticed a problem. Might of been 1/4" thick? Should always try to use stainless steel around aluminum.
JOHN HEUY awesome! Thanks man!
You can buy clamp on mtb grips. They'd work great for your setup
1chadsin lock on mtb grips
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how big is the fuel line ?
1/4"
🤣
I was curious about that as well. Maybe he'll make a video just about the size of his fuel line
Wouldn’t it be easier to ground the hull instead of having to wire a ground all the way to the battery?
No
i just found a carter 6 psi on ebay fuel pump it the one thats round and comes with a filter installed on it look it up better than the clicker type i am having to replace again
Try and safety wire the grip, like how they do dirt bike grips, add a little more badassery and comfort
Hey brother what kind of speed and what kind of fuel economy do you get. With that big of a motor.
I run a 1436 alumacraft with a 13hp it's a blast but I want more speed , when I can use it, I top out at 18 mph @ wot, so I would definitely be interested in seeing a wot run... when you have the chance to of course. Great video
Joey D that’s awesome man!! I will definitely be doing a speed test soon. I have tried but it’s hard to video it and drive. So far I’ve gotten 20mph running across the lake but I know I can get some more. Subscribe and you should get notified when I put up the video of it.
Only 18 mph Joey? I run a 13 hp SPS on a very heavy 1436 and get 23 mph consistently. What aize prop are you running?
@@TheLostBoyScout I was running and 8", and thinking my gx390 was old and tired, ended up buying an 18hp matched with a 9" weedless.. a bit more work to run, but I'm running 22mph now, being loaded.. added trolling motor, 80lb battery, and a floor, sliding corners so I'm happy!
If you had had Tampa Bay Steel bend a piece of steel in a square U shape that transom would be even stronger. I had mine done too. Arkansas back roads are hell on transoms unless you beef them up big time. Mines aluminum and welded. Same idea tho
Mike Ries nice man! That definitely would have worked better!
@@treylarsonproduction my boat kept breaking welds on the corners. Second or maybe third time into the machine shop someone had a brain storm. Made me a piece all custom. Beefy as heck.
No trouble since.
I'm running motor way up high like I have a jack plate but dont.
Bolted on...it goes fast. Next time in I'll have them extend the transom higher by about 3 inches.
Funny but my short shaft johnson motor on short transom boat don't fit right and needs raised about 4 inches to get optimum performance. It really scoots for a little River jon but mines a 1640..lot like yours
Mike Ries nice!! I plan on upgrading to a bigger boat next season. This 14fter needs retired
Ok we get it, a quarter inch fuel line
FINALLY!
Does the back of the boat go down in the water?
Does anyone have information about throttle cable connecting with this kit and governor manipulation with this engine? Stock with this motor I'm only getting about 2,000 rpm should be upwards of 4,000 rpm.. great video thanks for making it.
Top speed 6-8 mph using the app on my phone.. lame!!
Question do you get reverse with these types of engines?
Fuel line attached to battery box ? Not me !
Does paper work come with predator motors when you buy them to show proof of ownership?
How did you connect the swamp runner throttle to the predator? 22hp
Your's boat look good, but I think you should be separate battery from fuel because it's dangerous..
How big of a propeller do you think that motor can carry?
What part of Florida are you in
No fuse on the Holley fuel pump?
Hook up charging coil from motor to battery so you don't have to charge it with a battery charger
How’s it staying in the water and lasting
Wow!!!
Superglue on them grips just like dirtbike
Can you please do a top speed run with a load in the boat? I have a similar setup with a smaller longtail on the same boat and i want to go to that motor but i dont know if is worth it.
I’d like to know this as well!
How fast do you get on the 1436 with two people?
Did you run a return line to the tank? I have the 420cc and it runs on a gravity tank but i want it on external tank. Im afraid it will feed too much gas into the carb if it doesn’t have a return for the extra