We should see what the other people think of Sylvanas’s judgement. What Shandris thinks. What Maiev thinks. What Greymane thinks. What Jaina thinks. What Anduin thinks. What Thrall thinks. What Bolvar thinks. What Baine thinks.
@Zucchini Tzatziki Just b/c we pay to play the game doesn't mean we get to dictate how the story goes. What would be the point of witnessing a story created by others then? We could just make up your own story .
So Sylvannas would have to ask Ve'nari for a soul crystal, and enlist in the Arbiter Covenant to take the souls 20 by 20 this is a huge pennance to commit to
Genn after hearing Sylvanas call Tyrande her most fervent adversary: "I meant nothing to her. That cockroach Sylvanas was two-timing me! I spent half my life hating that duplicitous hag, and she didn't even have the decency to truly hate me back."
@@axechop maybe because you using Maiev i think. I like her since in Warcraft 3 but have i have not anymore interest after that except when she fought against Sira and the event when we need to kill a former huntress who become Undead Banshee since her spirit cannot rest (I forgot her name)
@@th3ra83 Ah. Naisha. To think i forget about her. I'm sad when i got the info that she back to life as undead not because she got reanimated by some necromancer but because her spirit cannot rest in the tomb.
Tyrande: Every soul lost in its depths, betrayed or condemned... Uther: *visibly pouring sweat* Arthas, somewhere in the Nether: Did someone say....BETRAYED?!
@@Fat_Panda_Gamer Gilneas literally got destroyed and uninhabitable because of the Forsaken invasion, its the same thing. Sylvanas killed more than just his son.
3:42 It was nice to see the expressions of the sisters at the end. Alleria showing no signs of forgiveness and just gives the saying, "You get what you deserved for what you've done." Vereesa just feels bad for her, sorrowful. I do feel like Thrall, Jaina and Anduin should've had some say about Sylvanas' punishment but overall, it's decent.
They made Tyrande go all that way with the night warrior ritual and the chase. This scene had to be focused on her, to give closure to all that trouble. It would dimnish her effort if others started giving their opinions.
@@an-cx1ho plus Anduin was also mind controleld buy the jailer at one point, stealing the key, so probably not best place for him to start demanding stuff.
Yeah but all those actions were caused by half of true Sylvanas which was blackmailed by the Jailer locking her in the Maw for eternity even though she didn’t deserve it. She was helping the Jailer to create a new reality as her freedom card
"Your most fervent adversary" Has everyone forget about Genn Greymane? I am quite sure that he has a grudge against Sylvanas as well. Tyrande might have started to hate Sylvanas since Battle for Azeroth, but Greymane has been doing the same since Cataclysm. I am surprised that he doesn't have, at the very least, a few lines during all of this.
@@Auntie-wow Ok, but I was just saying that Greymane deserved the title of Sylvanas' adversary considering their history that has been going on for quite a while.
Remember when there was that really short quest in Oribos telling us to not trust Ve'nari for some unknown reason? Love how Blizzard writing team forgot about that just like how they forgot about that sword sticking from Silithus.
If you did the rest of the quests, you would know her cartel says you can't trust her cause she organised the killing of the other expedition members once she found a valuable safespot to claim the maw's "treasures" for herself
@@zenza2962 "you can't trust her" She did nothing to us the whole expansion and the expansion is pretty much at it's end, I think it's safe to bet we can trust her. Trash writing. Thank you Steve Danuser.
Pelagos: Are there any here who object to this fate? *Thrall’s, Jaina’s and Baine’s hands all go up* Pelagos: All of you object? Thrall: Oh no, we’re fine with Tyrande getting the final say. We each just want like five minutes to punch Sylvanas in the face.
@@Teemo6544 Alleria only survived that because of Jaina. If Alleria encountered Sylvanas any other time throughout BFA or her empowered version in Shadowlands, Alleria would have been in the maw.
I actually don't hate it. So she is basically exiled to the maw, to look for souls that she falsely condemned to be there and send them to the arbiter. At one point I really thought they would make her the forsaken leader again.
And she wont be leaving. Some Souls are gone and can never be recovered so its a rhetorical punishment you toil forever trying to mend what you broke that can never be mended.
@@chromeshellking pretty sure she comes back, would not be to supriced if she discovers something realy bad in the maw and come back to warn everyone else, probably not in next expansion, but at one point it will happen.
@@glarcier4398 could be a lot of things, heck maby the Jailer we killed aint the real one, we do not know what monsters there is in the Maw and from where they has come there, could be a lot of things there, rember that the jailer did warn us about someting far worse comming, I am not saying this is from the maw, but it could be connected somehow, also where is Nathanos.
@@LeystTV if only Pelagos mattered, or if the writing wasn't so bad that only Kyrian covenant players know who he is, otherwise just random ass always fail in everything character that you follow around Bastion during questing. I'll just tell how it is, Blizzard decided to make him the Arbiter only because he's trans or whatever just because of that cotroversy....
Nah, ingame cutscenes of this quality are far better than pre rendered cutscenes. More immersive while playing plus no obvious photoshop effects. Hope to see more of these and fewer pre renders. But i can understand that people who dont actually play the game might prefer pre renders, less of a diffrence in a youtube video.
The Garrosh One was made by a single person tho. Sadly! Would have love to see more of my boy. The Cutscene when we first escaped the Maw with Anduin saving us was pretty good aswell, same goes for the Pelagos/Kleia one but this one tops everything so far! Ready for more!
Tryande: "Did you save every soul you sent there?" Sylvanas: "I saved only the ones that did not fade into oblivion like Arthas." "I also found Nathanos." Tyrande: "How many was that." Sylvanas: "I lost count." How many did Sylvanas save from fading into oblivion? 10,000 out of 1,000,000,000. Tyrande looks at her owl, the owl remains silent.
Don't worry, the loathsome dunguser will make sure she manage to save at least trillions of souls and befriend Tyrande's birb to make sure that Tyrande will go soft and buddy-buddy with her.
"It shall be done", that line gave me shivers. Am not a fan of what has transpired with Sylvanas, and I do like this ending. It is what is best we could've honestly hoped for. But I will always carry in my heart the Sylvanas that wasn't muddied by filthy hands. The one that sought to hunt Arthas and the one that cared for her people. Arthas, Sylvanas and Illidan were the reasons I played WoW, ever since WC3. So hearing that one line gave me chills.
Man, all the crap hands full of crap they kept handing Sylvanas over and over again... Just constantly portraying her as evil for... no real reason, then coming up with fake reasons, and finally just going full ham cartoon villain. Seriously, they keep plodding this MMO along, and eventually they are going to "Elect" Tyrande as a new villain in one of these expansions. After of course they have the Light go full on Crusade/Inquisition against everyone not of the Light or using the Light. Basically they have already kept this MMO going too long, heck the War between the forces of the Horde and the Alliance was originally going to be between Varian and Hellscream. Then they delayed it with other expansions until the two were gone, and then decided to replace the two with Sylvanas and Anduin. With the dialogue and story beats still carrying traces of the previous main actors...
I love the difference in her sisters looks, Vereesa looks sad and appears to possibly wish a better fate for Sylvanas, while Alleria gives her a look of outright contempt.
i would have laugh in the heat of the moment and just pick up Tyrande... i'm sure people would looked at me weirdly if i didn't go down there to pick her up.....
They really stepped up the facial expressions and animations for these kinds of cutscenes. Must've been a lot of work (at least compared to what we're used to). I wonder if they can keep it up
For those of you thinking we might see her again, remember that this isnt just Azeroth's souls she has to hunt down and save. The Shadowlands collects souls from the entire universe. Think of how many souls have been spiraling into the abyss during these last two years while we gear up for raids. She's going to be down there for a very long time.
@@athomicritics danuser doesn't want to make the game people will feel is the best, he wants to make his favourite game and do only things that he likes. He simps for Sylvanas, so he does everything in his power to make her powerful, he doesn't like or even hates Arthas? he turns him into 30 anima. To me the worst part is how he's been foreshadowing the return of Arthas, with hints of his return even in chains of domination and strings of destiny. When the end of eternity came, we got cinematics with Arthas, and there was Uther, Jaina, Sylvanas, magic explaining the origin of the Lich King, it was like rolling down the red carpet for the return of the big antihero that we all knew could have been redeemed if he wasn't left alone for Mal'Ganis to play with him. Huge amounts of foreshadowing in Zereth Mortis to the point I was expecting Arthas to be in the sword having learned how to resist domination magic and teaching it to Anduin so he can escape. And what do we get? A poof of smoke without a face or a voice, and the mary satan that is Sylvanas gets a full monologue that is only just danuser speaking to the audience about how we will never ever see arthas again cause there's not even a soul left of him. Meanwhile the master Uther and Arthas' love of his life Jaina don't say a word as the last whisper of him fades into non existence. This is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen and played. I will probably at some point write an actual fanfic detailing what Shadowlands should have been, in which the Jailer is NOT evil and the titans return, he allies himself with the titans, and succeeds in his plan. Oh and in my fanfic there is an actual plan: they rearrange the cosmos and rewrite the laws of physics, logic and the universe to make it so that if you die for anything other than old age or illness, aka, if you're somehow killed by accident or on purpose, your soul can choose to either wander the world in search of your body and then return to life, or go to some afterlife cause you're sick of your neighbor Jimmy. Also you can visit the afterlives same way you visit other worlds. No more undeath except via major magical proess. Oh and Arthas returns in the form of a tortured soul in the maw which you rescue and he then swears he's not evil anymore, and that his soul was separated from that of Ner'Zhul's, and decides to give penance by telling you all he knows about the maw, and saving the souls that where unjustly put there using what he learned of domination magic in the years being the lich king, instantly sending them back to oribos. or whatever. Oh and also, Sylvanas is a crazy bitch who cannot be trusted and is addicted to betraying people so she also betrays the jailer trying to take his power and gets turned into 1 anima that is expended by the jailer to power a toy in the shape of a fool clapping some cymbals for all of eternity. Real Jailer doesn't f*ck around.
Okay I have to say despite all the faults of Shadowlands storytelling, this is actually extremely well done. This IMO is a fair way to not just redeem Sylvanas, but write her out of the story for awhile. Going down to a horrific place to spend what will probably be a very long time returning souls to the arbiter is fair given the circumstances.
Meh she will be back as soon as the writers want her to be soo, all we know she could be back for 11.0 or so and say "time moves different" but hey at least she is away for a while
I’m sure she can find a way to save a ton of souls fast so they can put her back into the story. She’s a critical character in lore, like without her angsty self around what the fuck do all the other characters do? I guess we have the promise of the void lords turning everyone to the void to give us someone to give a shit about.
loved it,even tho,as a die-hard fan of Sylvanas,it made me kinda sad,but it's the right punishment,and I wasn't expecting less from Tyrande,who,I'm sure,will never forgive her. And to see Anduin getting sad,almost going to object,and the presence of Alleria and Vereesa,brought me some joy
Alleria is still surely mad at her,and you can see it from her expression,but Vereesa,from what I've read,has always been worried for Sylvanas,and here,she's sad as well
I'm just sad that Alleria have no pity in her eyes. When she returned in Legion, in the bd of the three sisters, I understand she thought her sister is dead, but now ? Now Sylvanas had her entirely soul, so why Alleria is so cruel lmao. It'd beat my heart, I love Syl' so much
I think this is a fitting conclusion. Eternal ones feel responsible for not noticing what Jailer was up to, Tyrande still can be passionate and level headed despite all the hatred she feels towards Sylvanas, and Ranger-general Sylvanas dedicating herself for the task given to her by simply saying 'it shall be done'. Everyone acted in line with their character. I'm relieved that at least they handled this part pretty well. It was looking to be the most complicated one.
The heck is he even supposed to do other than suffer nigh eternally as well? Watch and fail to report on perceived laziness? Try to peck her into obedience without getting shot for it? Kind of pointless other than as a reminding gesture...
Considering Sylvanas wasn't beaten to a bloody pulp and is given a chance to actually atone for her...numerous warcrimes she commited since Catacylsm I say Tyrande is very compassionate.
You know, Tyrande never said Sylvanas could return after she was finished redeeming souls. She just said to keep searching "until the final soul is free, and you are all that remains."
i fucking love the new course they are taking with in-game cinematics. it looks wonderful. i enjoyed everybit of it. the animations the movements the lipsync. gorgeous.
@@noregrveidr8178 cause its a thing to hate WoW now , people are dick riding asmongold. I actually miss old asmongold, now asmongold thinks his opinion is always right lol slowly diving into that fame mind.
@@diegochatard-caraballo5848 welll Turalion has not claimed the throne, is more or less just in charge until Anduin comes back, but Pelagos literaly took the Arbiter role.
So, off the top of my head, all those old legacy WC3 characters people liked that made it into WoW: 1. Arthas: just completely gone. They did him fine enough. Got a whole expansion about him but then ruined it by just making him a puppet of their new OC do not steal. Then they destroyed his soul so... bye Arthas. Thanks for the best expansion the franchise ever had, we made you retroactively meaningless, don't let the door hit you on the way out. 2. Kael'Thas: Killed him twice and haven't heard from him since, to my memory. Maybe he showed up for a sec in Shadowlands? Don't remember. 3. Illidan: Got a cool ending I guess. Off to go jail Sargeras forever, but gone. 4. Thrall: Green Jesus gonna Green Jesus. Seemingly one of the only very, very small handful of WC3 character they like. 5. Jaina: I guess she learned not to be a racist again? So... cool I guess. Good for her. 6. The entirety of the Burning Legion, the previous overarching main villains of the series: Puppets! Void lords were behind it all! Oooooh, scary! 7. Furion: Went home to be a family man. 8. Tyrande: Yeah the writers actually like her. She gets to do stuff. As seen here. 9. Kel-Thuzad: I can respect that they seemingly thought "Hey, Kel-Thuzad is a very important lore character, but as far as these games, he was just a raid boss twice and then died. Lets give him a chance to be more of a present, overarching big bad." But... eh. And now Sylvanas, after they spent alllllll that time, multiple expansions seemingly with the sole purpose of building her up to be a big bad, nevermind. She was a puppet too. Everyone's puppets! It's an easy way to artificially make the new characters we cram into the plot important! No one has any agency, this new guy was behind it all! But don't worry, we won't kill another legacy. She'll just go live in The Maw for eternity, her new purpose in life is just... turnin keys offscreen. Unlocking locks. Turn them keys, girl. Trying to free all the people she sent there when she wasn't actually evil, she was controlled! But she'll be responsible for her actions, that she wasn't fully in control of! So yeah she'll just go do that and you'll never hear from her again. She hopes to find her boyfriend at some point. I think she did? In a novel or something? Just seems like the writers wanna have their cake and eat it too. They got their Sylvanas raid battle, but didn't fully wanna commit to killing her cause they know she's a fan favourite and the people want the zombussy. So they just let her live, but then shuffled her offscreen. Just weak. I know I probably missed several others, but this comment's already long enough. WoW's modern writing frustrates me, man. Edit: yeah I did forget Kael'Thas, and Lady Vashj, are both in... whatever faction. Helping do afterlife stuff in Shadowlands. Being prison wardens basically or whatever to redeem themselves for being dungeon bosses.
I actually really really like this ending, didn't expect much and ofc the whole SL lore is mess on its own but given the options, this was probably the best way to handle her character and potentially save her for future use, maybe something cool with the undead population.
Tyrande: "You must enter the Maw, and there you will gather 74,000,000 souls." Sylvanas: "Yeah, yeah, I've been playing this game for a while. I know how quests work."
While this may seem like a fitting resolution for Sylvanas, it seems to completely ignore what we learned in Ardenweald where Elune admitted to sending all those souls from the Great Tree to the Winter Queen. The only way she could've done that since she cannot direct the souls to where to go, is by pushing Sylvanas into burning the tree. What if the elf we saw in the cutscene talking to her about "hope" was just Elune in a dead elf body pushing the right buttons to push Sylvanas over the edge. Remember, she was only going to invade the Great Tree, not burn it till speaking to that elf.
Captain Delaryn Summermoon wasn't dead yet during the Burning of Teldrassil. She died from her injuries afterwards. She talks about how Elune abandoned her people after she was brought back as a Dark Ranger. Elune didn't direct the burning of Teldrassil but she did nothing to stop it. She turned her favorite friend Ysera into a constellation after her death. Putting out a tree fire wouldn't be that hard. In the cutscene you are talking about she admits she did nothing to save her favorite children because she had heard the cries of her sister. She probably figured the NE would accept that fate had they gone to Ardenwald. She used the tragedy that was unfolding for the greater good.
Okay...that was awesome..legit awesome the cutscene's models and expressions I mean I also really loved Sylvanas as a char prior to bfa (personal preference, just met with her back in warcraft 3 and love the sylvanas of that era that's all) so this ending was kinda sad to a degree, but it was a well earned fate. I am really REALLY glad that they didn't go the Kerrigan path..or for a direct redemption and everyone's forgiven.
Prior to BfA? Like when she also genocided the entirety of Gilneas? Or more like when she turned on her Horde "allies" and killed anyone and everyone indiscrimantely at Angrathar? This b*tch could never have been trusted. I knew it since she killed her horde comrades back in WotLK.
There are two types of people: 1) “I submit to the Judgement of Tyrande Whisperwind.” 2) “I submit to no one. Not you. Not the jailer. And not this coward Thrall. FOR THE HOOOOORDE!”
Yeah 1 was working for the greater good (in her mind). Failed and is willing to pay the price for it. The other is someone who became so full of himself no one could convince him otherwise. Garrosh's ending was funny but i hated that he had become just a cartoonish ego monster by the end.
@@cameronmcewen9666 Technically it could be. It's literally a sub-realm of the afterlife. When you cross the veil from life to death, time sort of stops. 2 minutes can feel like a lifetime. No telling how much time has canonically passed in Azeroth and such since we've been in the Shadowlands, but its guaranteed to be super different in 10.0
The bird is the last soul unjustly occupying soul in the maw once she finishes, just to really "twist the knife" by having to send on her one constant companion after god knows how long growing attached. After the bird is send on also, just her remains as the lone prisoner who didn't exactly get any permission to return.
I love how Anduin is about to object but knows that it is not his place to do so... after all, the night elves where the ones suffering the most at Sylvanas hands. Still nice to see it though
Anduin the only one about to object, because Anduin's the only one(outside of Uther) that understands Sylvanas on all levels now. Nevertheless, this punishment seems to satisfy the majority of everyone that thought Tyrande was just gonna "forgive" her.
Wow, they went beyond with her story and I really did think there's no way they can make a satisfying and wholesome ending, but they proved me wrong and actually did it. I love this.
Say whatever you want about SL lore, but this cutscene, from an artistic and animation point of view is amazing, its all rendered with ingame models, thats a 2022 quality animation sequence done with an almost 20 years game engine, thats an amazing feat, cheers to the animation and art department, carrying wow since WOTLK
I stand by everything you said here except for the very last part. The only expansion since WOTLK that I thought was just as good, if not even better was Legion, but yes other than that the art animation team are the ones really carrying the game.
This has nothing to do with how great the game looks. This has everything to do with the corrupted higher ups, this goes beyond the lore, beyond the artistic look. This is dealing with sexual harassment, dudes drinking woman’s breast milk; while not giving these women maternity leave, who by the way are some of the artist for the game. But hey the graphics look great right???
I feel like this is a fitting fate for her, surprised that Tyrande didn’t kill her lol. I personally wanted her to go to revendreth but maybe after she saves the souls
I'm sad to see Sylvannas like this. This was a very good ending to the story they told and I love tragic villains, but that's not what this was. I don't feel like I'm watching a tragic villain get justice, I feel like I just watched Blizzard throw away a character that everyone hates now because the staff went on a 4 year crusade to simplify, undo, and destroy her. This was the ONLY ending they could write. Sylvannas may have been the single largest waste of potential I've seen in my life.
1 years later patch 11.0.0: Blizzard: alright Ms. S we need you back Sylvannas: but my judgment not done yet Blizzard: we are out of ideas! we need you back asap
Love it, especially the new facial effects. Makes characters far more alive. This is fine for Sylvanas, its fair. Could make for an interesting story in a few or several expansions.
0:35 watch from here, when the shot changes her character model awkwardly pops up. May have to slow the video down to get a better look at it, but it is there.
i genuinely wonder what Illidan would think of everything that Tyrande has been up to at this point in time. i can just see him sitting back and laughing his ass off. She seems to of forgotten that this hatred and rage is what got Illidan where he is today. Tyrande still has to atone for her sins as well.
Weell, Tyrande has commit/ordered mass genocide before; looong time ago to the highborne… but I suppose her recent "sins“ have been being completely driven and blinded by, arguably justified, rage and resentment, as well as spite and revenge; blinded to the extent that she too has killed and ordered the deaths of innocent people. She doesn‘t practice all that she preaches, and she, too, needs to atone for some things.. though, how Blizz has ruined her character along with so many other favourites of mine always makes me a bit sad.. :/ but I blame it on execs that don‘t play the game and only care about cutting corners for profit and the storytelling in game suffers. Idk.. it‘s a whole mess for Blizz imo 😭
Tryande: "Did you save every soul you sent there?" Sylvanas: "I saved only the ones that did not fade into oblivion like Arthas." "I also found Nathanos." Tyrande: "How many was that." Sylvanas: "I lost count." How many did Sylvanas save from fading into oblivion? 10,000 out of 1,000,000,000. Tyrande looks at her owl, the owl remains silent.
Arthas and Sylvanas are probably the #1 and #2 most popular characters in the entire history of the Warcraft Franchise. Blizzard farted one out of existence and stuck the other one in hell to do dailies for eternity. Jesus Christ these "writers".
Props to the art/animation team for the improvement on the lip sync, body language, facial expressions and cutscenes as a whole. A big improvement from BFA in game cutscenes and the oof Grommash one. +It would be a nice touch if we could go to Maw and find here there around different areas looking for those souls.
...k you know what....I don't hate this. This genuinely is the best way to deal with the character in a just way! Damn, I did not expect that, well done!
I'm not gonna say that the trainwreck of an expansion at least landed on its feet with this outcome for Sylvanas, but with how the story unfortunately went, I do like it better than her either outright dying or taking over the Jailer's role or some crap like that. Unknown amount of time finding those she damned to literal Hell to try and send them to where they actually belong? That's honestly not a terrible way to send her out after all the crap we had to put up wit from her, with the potential of bringing her back later. I kinda like it better than Illidan's current position.
Gotta hand it to 'em, they handled this well. It's a fair but brutal punishment, a way for her to legitimately atone and undo the damage, and better yet it means we presumably won't have to see her again for YEARS (a godsend to all that are sick of her at this point). Plus the cutscene quality has been upped by a massive degree as per what we expected after the expansion's opening with Anduin's face.
They took a once amazing character, and from BFA to present continued to destroy her with each passing expansion. With other options since 8.0 they could have gone with, they decided to stick to a bastardization of the character. Blizz has been fucking up royally with the story since 8.0 and I don't see it ever getting better.
Not going to lie. Sylvanas has always been my favorite lore character and still is. I left WoW years ago, but since they've effectively gotten rid of Sylvanas, I continue to have zero reason to return to it.
I mean, that makes little sense my dude. If you haven't returned the past two expansions where Sylvanas was one of the focal point of the story, nothing they would have done with her would have made you return.
Then you shouldn’t be commenting. You should be getting a job, a family, a life. But because you’re here bitching over the absence of a fictional character, it means you won’t have any of it.
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Sylvanas
Thank you for upload this Cinematic
We should see what the other people think of Sylvanas’s judgement. What Shandris thinks. What Maiev thinks. What Greymane thinks. What Jaina thinks. What Anduin thinks. What Thrall thinks. What Bolvar thinks. What Baine thinks.
@Zucchini Tzatziki Just b/c we pay to play the game doesn't mean we get to dictate how the story goes. What would be the point of witnessing a story created by others then? We could just make up your own story .
Sylvannas: “For however long it takes, it shall be done”
Tyrande: “Oh yeah and no mounts”
Sylvannas: “NOW THATS JUST CRUEL!!”
Tyrande: "Also, eye of the Jailer activated again"
This cracked me up 😂
Sylvanas: Anything else, Tyrande?!
Tyrande: And a summary kick to the jaw.
Sylvanas: Wha- *punted into the Maw*
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@Zucchini Tzatziki That joke is just terrible.
So Sylvanas is stuck in this expansion for even longer than we are going to be? Wow! That's cold hearted!
It's worse than death, even someone who hates her should have a little bit of pity for her lmao
she now grinds torghast for an eternity .... its a fitting charge.
Also she's forced to do dailys lol
Awful sentence. Eternity of wandering the maw . Aint that bad
@@malanoremantavi3435 I pity her, and she deserves what’s coming to her.
"...And then Maiev jumped to the Maw too, just because she had abstinence syndrome after keeping an eye for Illidan during so many years"
I was expecting the Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne dialogue where she's like "fools, have you no sense of justice"
Lmao
@Zucchini Tzatziki Wanna be reported?
@@cameronmcewen9666 For making a joke?
@@joco8290 i hear that getting slapped is the popular thing nowadays
Meanwhile, Malfurion is doing the dishes in Darnassus
Lol
Good for him
With some alliance tavern sounds playing~
this writing is so woke
So I’ve got some bad news about Darnassus…
So Sylvannas would have to ask Ve'nari for a soul crystal, and enlist in the Arbiter Covenant to take the souls 20 by 20 this is a huge pennance to commit to
Lol, that's one boring and annoying quest!
Without a mount
the harshest punishment of all, Daily quests.
@@tomeekun god no…
@Zucchini Tzatziki GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!
The Owl is like , " What did i do to deserve this "!
Ya. I was thinking. She just condemned that owl to the maw.
Should have just charged Maiev. That's her kinda passion. ;')
I like how they didn’t change the skybox so we still see a whirlwind of souls falling straight into the maw.
Pelagos is playing a practical joke on Sylvanas so that she has to continuously find more souls to send back up.
@@MolmorJS 😂😂😂
Adventurers going back to Azeroth:
"Did we forget something?"
"If so I'm sure it wasn't important."
I trust that casually those souls deserve the maw, the new arbiter would know, after all he can judge a soul in less then 0,01 seconds or something.
@@robfus he explicitely said that he would no longer send any soul to the Maw.
Genn after hearing Sylvanas call Tyrande her most fervent adversary:
"I meant nothing to her. That cockroach Sylvanas was two-timing me! I spent half my life hating that duplicitous hag, and she didn't even have the decency to truly hate me back."
I get that reference, nice one 👍
@@shipsheep4413 i didn't. Care to share?
Captain Holt?
@@vahidmoosavian6313 A quote by Captain Raymond Holt from the series "Brooklyn Nine-Nine"
genn is just an old dog, full of fleas, smelling pee, not even worth to hate, dying will be the best thing he could do for azeroth.
Maiev: Ahhhhh, I haven't had this much fun since Illidan!
You are weird, man.
@@gilbertrewur7972 Granted, but out of all the weird shit I've said, why did this comment make you think that?
@@axechop maybe because you using Maiev i think. I like her since in Warcraft 3 but have i have not anymore interest after that except when she fought against Sira and the event when we need to kill a former huntress who become Undead Banshee since her spirit cannot rest
(I forgot her name)
@@gilbertrewur7972 Naisha
@@th3ra83 Ah. Naisha. To think i forget about her. I'm sad when i got the info that she back to life as undead not because she got reanimated by some necromancer but because her spirit cannot rest in the tomb.
Tyrande: Every soul lost in its depths, betrayed or condemned...
Uther: *visibly pouring sweat*
Arthas, somewhere in the Nether: Did someone say....BETRAYED?!
Arthas is not even anima now, maybe soulash or ephimera dust
There is no Arthas now
fraid not buddy
There is no Arthas in Ba-sing-se
@@Ryquard1 Until Blizzard decides to retcon again.
"Your most fervent adversary..."
*30 Anima Arthas sighs*
😂😂
What about Genn? Guess they forgot about the whole killing his Son.
@@TattleTails Killing a son is nothing compared to genocide.
@@Fat_Panda_Gamer Yeah and remember that Syl' arrow that killed Liam was for Genn haha
@@Fat_Panda_Gamer Gilneas literally got destroyed and uninhabitable because of the Forsaken invasion, its the same thing. Sylvanas killed more than just his son.
3:42 It was nice to see the expressions of the sisters at the end. Alleria showing no signs of forgiveness and just gives the saying, "You get what you deserved for what you've done." Vereesa just feels bad for her, sorrowful. I do feel like Thrall, Jaina and Anduin should've had some say about Sylvanas' punishment but overall, it's decent.
They made Tyrande go all that way with the night warrior ritual and the chase. This scene had to be focused on her, to give closure to all that trouble. It would dimnish her effort if others started giving their opinions.
@@an-cx1ho plus Anduin was also mind controleld buy the jailer at one point, stealing the key, so probably not best place for him to start demanding stuff.
Yeah but all those actions were caused by half of true Sylvanas which was blackmailed by the Jailer locking her in the Maw for eternity even though she didn’t deserve it. She was helping the Jailer to create a new reality as her freedom card
Vereesa's face just punched my guts out.
@@adyenlichtwachter6684 disgusting sister on my opinion
"Your most fervent adversary"
Has everyone forget about Genn Greymane? I am quite sure that he has a grudge against Sylvanas as well.
Tyrande might have started to hate Sylvanas since Battle for Azeroth, but Greymane has been doing the same since Cataclysm.
I am surprised that he doesn't have, at the very least, a few lines during all of this.
Genn He is still Guarding stormwind , he never made it to the shadowlands 😂
@@aicastillo23 What do you mean, he is there!
Check 2:43
bro the game is still not over, chill the fuck out
@@Auntie-wow Ok, but I was just saying that Greymane deserved the title of Sylvanas' adversary considering their history that has been going on for quite a while.
I'm pretty sure Blizzard forgot about Genn, too.
Wait, what are worgen?
Remember when there was that really short quest in Oribos telling us to not trust Ve'nari for some unknown reason? Love how Blizzard writing team forgot about that just like how they forgot about that sword sticking from Silithus.
what sword? -Blizzard 2022
what sword?
If you did the rest of the quests, you would know her cartel says you can't trust her cause she organised the killing of the other expedition members once she found a valuable safespot to claim the maw's "treasures" for herself
There was a sword?
Thought it was from another game
@@zenza2962 "you can't trust her"
She did nothing to us the whole expansion and the expansion is pretty much at it's end, I think it's safe to bet we can trust her.
Trash writing. Thank you Steve Danuser.
Pelagos: Are there any here who object to this fate?
*Thrall’s, Jaina’s and Baine’s hands all go up*
Pelagos: All of you object?
Thrall: Oh no, we’re fine with Tyrande getting the final say. We each just want like five minutes to punch Sylvanas in the face.
Following that logic, Greymane will want a whole hour of doing that.
Granted
@CitizenKahne1992 you know so little of the WoW lore, young one ...
Genn: Say no more fam.
*Proceed to Mangle and Rips Sylvanas*
You forgot Genn. He'll let rip on her.
Vereesa's sad look at the end really did it for me. well done
Same. Meanwhile Alleria still looks ready to strangle her.
@@jebusfishy Alleria has the audacity to look at her like that acting like Sylvanas couldn’t have killed her at any time during BfA.
@@rivh4246
If you’re talking about when she blew up the undercity, sylvanas didn’t even come close and that was the only time lmao
I felt like Vereesa here honestly. Sad to see her go :( but it was needed.
@@Teemo6544 Alleria only survived that because of Jaina. If Alleria encountered Sylvanas any other time throughout BFA or her empowered version in Shadowlands, Alleria would have been in the maw.
I actually don't hate it. So she is basically exiled to the maw, to look for souls that she falsely condemned to be there and send them to the arbiter. At one point I really thought they would make her the forsaken leader again.
Im okay with the ending
And she wont be leaving. Some Souls are gone and can never be recovered so its a rhetorical punishment you toil forever trying to mend what you broke that can never be mended.
@@chromeshellking pretty sure she comes back, would not be to supriced if she discovers something realy bad in the maw and come back to warn everyone else, probably not in next expansion, but at one point it will happen.
@@Weffi76 what would that be? we've been there for an eternity, what could she find that noone else has not?
@@glarcier4398 could be a lot of things, heck maby the Jailer we killed aint the real one, we do not know what monsters there is in the Maw and from where they has come there, could be a lot of things there, rember that the jailer did warn us about someting far worse comming, I am not saying this is from the maw, but it could be connected somehow, also where is Nathanos.
So sylvanas has to do Maw dailies? Sounds like a real hell. I hope we never have to do that. oh wait.
There is no fucking way they forgot to put Tyrande in the shot at 1:06. No fucking way.
It is what it is hahahahahaha
She is a nigh Elf , she used shadowmeld .
I thought the same, like you'd think she'd stick out like a sore thumb but no.
in game cutscenes have improved significantly, probably one of the few good things to get out of SL moving foward
Yeah! My fav so far was the one from the previous chapter with pelagos. They’ve really improved a lot
The art and music teams once again carry the expansion
@@LeystTV if only Pelagos mattered, or if the writing wasn't so bad that only Kyrian covenant players know who he is, otherwise just random ass always fail in everything character that you follow around Bastion during questing.
I'll just tell how it is, Blizzard decided to make him the Arbiter only because he's trans or whatever just because of that cotroversy....
THE FACE ANIMATIONS!!!!!!!!!!
Like blizz is getting tired of them ragging on their animations.The criticisms were fair however,hopefully they can keep this going.
The cutscene is really well made. I wished it was a normal cinematic though since it’s kind of a very important moment.
True
Nah, ingame cutscenes of this quality are far better than pre rendered cutscenes. More immersive while playing plus no obvious photoshop effects. Hope to see more of these and fewer pre renders. But i can understand that people who dont actually play the game might prefer pre renders, less of a diffrence in a youtube video.
so well made that sylvanas' model didnt even go into frame correctly at 0:33
@@Maniaman213 agreed, but it would be nice to see oribos and everything in an actual cinematic. seeing as we have 1 for the entire expansion....
@@hhectell What are you trying to say? This is neither the first cinematic set in Oribous nor the first ingame cinematic in Shadowlands.
If this is an in game cutscene, I am actually extremely impressed compared to old ones like the garrosh one
Its gotten a lot better 😄
The only cutscenes that matter are the Sylvanas ones apparently lol
Garrosh was made by one single dude. They didn’t have any care for him. Just full blown sylvanus service by danuser & co
0:33 she literally teleports and pops up on the screen right after the frame changes, these cutscenes are beyond dogshit
The Garrosh One was made by a single person tho. Sadly! Would have love to see more of my boy.
The Cutscene when we first escaped the Maw with Anduin saving us was pretty good aswell, same goes for the Pelagos/Kleia one but this one tops everything so far!
Ready for more!
Knowing these writers, she's gonna come back next expansion with Tyrande's owl on her side.
With more power and possibly, whiter
Tryande: "Did you save every soul you sent there?"
Sylvanas: "I saved only the ones that did not fade into oblivion like Arthas." "I also found Nathanos."
Tyrande: "How many was that."
Sylvanas: "I lost count."
How many did Sylvanas save from fading into oblivion? 10,000 out of 1,000,000,000.
Tyrande looks at her owl, the owl remains silent.
Don't worry, the loathsome dunguser will make sure she manage to save at least trillions of souls and befriend Tyrande's birb to make sure that Tyrande will go soft and buddy-buddy with her.
@@cainabel6356 you summed it up super accurately.
@@cainabel6356 She found Nathanos, then locked him up in Torghast to be tormented.
As someone who had to toil in the maw for a few years, I agree with how cold hearted Tyrandes judgment is
Duuuude, the scene when Sylvanas turns to see Alleria and Vereesa... That hurts, i can't lie.
It hurts when they turn their back on sylvanas since he became undead.
We all know that’s not her choice, king Arthas did this to her since the Undead scourge.
Tyrande : you will be trapped in this expansion forever!
Zhoorval : wow, calm down Satan!
"It shall be done", that line gave me shivers. Am not a fan of what has transpired with Sylvanas, and I do like this ending. It is what is best we could've honestly hoped for. But I will always carry in my heart the Sylvanas that wasn't muddied by filthy hands. The one that sought to hunt Arthas and the one that cared for her people.
Arthas, Sylvanas and Illidan were the reasons I played WoW, ever since WC3. So hearing that one line gave me chills.
and now all are gone and with them so many fans that have stuck by this world.
@@Sam-im5tc only one is gone for good. If the other two come back I hope it can be done right
Man, all the crap hands full of crap they kept handing Sylvanas over and over again... Just constantly portraying her as evil for... no real reason, then coming up with fake reasons, and finally just going full ham cartoon villain. Seriously, they keep plodding this MMO along, and eventually they are going to "Elect" Tyrande as a new villain in one of these expansions.
After of course they have the Light go full on Crusade/Inquisition against everyone not of the Light or using the Light.
Basically they have already kept this MMO going too long, heck the War between the forces of the Horde and the Alliance was originally going to be between Varian and Hellscream. Then they delayed it with other expansions until the two were gone, and then decided to replace the two with Sylvanas and Anduin.
With the dialogue and story beats still carrying traces of the previous main actors...
Well at least I'm glad they didn't forget Vereesa's existence
I love the difference in her sisters looks, Vereesa looks sad and appears to possibly wish a better fate for Sylvanas, while Alleria gives her a look of outright contempt.
I like Jaina's look at 1:09. It's like she's saying to Anduin: "Don't even think about it!"
2:20 WOULDVE BEEN HILARIOUS IF SYLVANAS PUSHED TYRANDE INTO THE MAW THEN RAN OFF.
Considering that we are around could anyone just go down there and pick her back again.
Well I don't think she would run really far :D
I was thinking the same thing .....
Lmao
i would have laugh in the heat of the moment and just pick up Tyrande... i'm sure people would looked at me weirdly if i didn't go down there to pick her up.....
They really stepped up the facial expressions and animations for these kinds of cutscenes. Must've been a lot of work (at least compared to what we're used to). I wonder if they can keep it up
For those of you thinking we might see her again, remember that this isnt just Azeroth's souls she has to hunt down and save. The Shadowlands collects souls from the entire universe. Think of how many souls have been spiraling into the abyss during these last two years while we gear up for raids. She's going to be down there for a very long time.
I hope I never see her again. She should have been the one turned into 30 anima that we would forget about.
@@norielgames4765 this , they done arthas so fucking dirty its painfull
@@athomicritics danuser doesn't want to make the game people will feel is the best, he wants to make his favourite game and do only things that he likes. He simps for Sylvanas, so he does everything in his power to make her powerful, he doesn't like or even hates Arthas? he turns him into 30 anima.
To me the worst part is how he's been foreshadowing the return of Arthas, with hints of his return even in chains of domination and strings of destiny. When the end of eternity came, we got cinematics with Arthas, and there was Uther, Jaina, Sylvanas, magic explaining the origin of the Lich King, it was like rolling down the red carpet for the return of the big antihero that we all knew could have been redeemed if he wasn't left alone for Mal'Ganis to play with him.
Huge amounts of foreshadowing in Zereth Mortis to the point I was expecting Arthas to be in the sword having learned how to resist domination magic and teaching it to Anduin so he can escape. And what do we get?
A poof of smoke without a face or a voice, and the mary satan that is Sylvanas gets a full monologue that is only just danuser speaking to the audience about how we will never ever see arthas again cause there's not even a soul left of him. Meanwhile the master Uther and Arthas' love of his life Jaina don't say a word as the last whisper of him fades into non existence.
This is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen and played. I will probably at some point write an actual fanfic detailing what Shadowlands should have been, in which the Jailer is NOT evil and the titans return, he allies himself with the titans, and succeeds in his plan. Oh and in my fanfic there is an actual plan: they rearrange the cosmos and rewrite the laws of physics, logic and the universe to make it so that if you die for anything other than old age or illness, aka, if you're somehow killed by accident or on purpose, your soul can choose to either wander the world in search of your body and then return to life, or go to some afterlife cause you're sick of your neighbor Jimmy. Also you can visit the afterlives same way you visit other worlds. No more undeath except via major magical proess.
Oh and Arthas returns in the form of a tortured soul in the maw which you rescue and he then swears he's not evil anymore, and that his soul was separated from that of Ner'Zhul's, and decides to give penance by telling you all he knows about the maw, and saving the souls that where unjustly put there using what he learned of domination magic in the years being the lich king, instantly sending them back to oribos. or whatever.
Oh and also, Sylvanas is a crazy bitch who cannot be trusted and is addicted to betraying people so she also betrays the jailer trying to take his power and gets turned into 1 anima that is expended by the jailer to power a toy in the shape of a fool clapping some cymbals for all of eternity. Real Jailer doesn't f*ck around.
@@norielgames4765 what are you waiting for, write it now
@@simionmatei9715 might do it now that I'm unemployed lol
I can tell Tyrande wants to see Sylvanas rot or perish.
She really does haha 😄
Perhaps. But the recovery of the souls of Teldrassil from the Maw are more important than petty vengeance. Character development for Tyrande.
so much she damns her owl to the same fate. who followed her for 10 thousand years
@@rickywyness5230 More like convenient plot armor
Everyone does she literally screwed over everyone the alliance the horde the Shadowlands you can’t blame them
my game crashed during this cutscene, thanks for sharing this
You are Welcome! Yeah it sucks with the crashes :/
as did mine
big same. Trying change to DirectX11 to see if that helps. So far it's not great.
@@LeystTV my game did the same thing, crashed during the cutscene. Thank you very much for sharing it
Same here. I was actually waiting for someone to upload on RUclips. Thanks 😀
Okay I have to say despite all the faults of Shadowlands storytelling, this is actually extremely well done.
This IMO is a fair way to not just redeem Sylvanas, but write her out of the story for awhile. Going down to a horrific place to spend what will probably be a very long time returning souls to the arbiter is fair given the circumstances.
And the fact that what she gets is what she tried so hard to avoid and joined the Jailer for is just so good.
Meh she will be back as soon as the writers want her to be soo, all we know she could be back for 11.0 or so and say "time moves different" but hey at least she is away for a while
I was saving souls every week in the maw first 5 per week then 10 then 20 i was brutally punished for no reason f*** Blizz
@@towa417 I'm sure she will be back for 10.0 because blizzard knows we all scream like banshees when sylvanas is not on screen :V
I’m sure she can find a way to save a ton of souls fast so they can put her back into the story. She’s a critical character in lore, like without her angsty self around what the fuck do all the other characters do? I guess we have the promise of the void lords turning everyone to the void to give us someone to give a shit about.
loved it,even tho,as a die-hard fan of Sylvanas,it made me kinda sad,but it's the right punishment,and I wasn't expecting less from Tyrande,who,I'm sure,will never forgive her.
And to see Anduin getting sad,almost going to object,and the presence of Alleria and Vereesa,brought me some joy
Im okay with the ending as well
But to think there is no dialogue between the sisters i guess they're pretty much hate her even her broken soul has back to her.
Alleria is still surely mad at her,and you can see it from her expression,but Vereesa,from what I've read,has always been worried for Sylvanas,and here,she's sad as well
imo this sylvanas full of elegance and dignity is worthy to be followed... i´m sure we will see her again when dire times call her back to our side.
I'm just sad that Alleria have no pity in her eyes. When she returned in Legion, in the bd of the three sisters, I understand she thought her sister is dead, but now ? Now Sylvanas had her entirely soul, so why Alleria is so cruel lmao. It'd beat my heart, I love Syl' so much
I think this is a fitting conclusion. Eternal ones feel responsible for not noticing what Jailer was up to, Tyrande still can be passionate and level headed despite all the hatred she feels towards Sylvanas, and Ranger-general Sylvanas dedicating herself for the task given to her by simply saying 'it shall be done'. Everyone acted in line with their character. I'm relieved that at least they handled this part pretty well. It was looking to be the most complicated one.
Considering how angry Tyrande sounded, this is actually a very well thought out punishment.
What did the owl do to get that job? "Hey old friend, go into the maw on babysitting duty for who knows how long!" Some friend...
The heck is he even supposed to do other than suffer nigh eternally as well? Watch and fail to report on perceived laziness? Try to peck her into obedience without getting shot for it? Kind of pointless other than as a reminding gesture...
Tyrande: all souls deserve compassion
Tyrande literally at the same time: go to hell
Considering Sylvanas wasn't beaten to a bloody pulp and is given a chance to actually atone for her...numerous warcrimes she commited since Catacylsm I say Tyrande is very compassionate.
I love the detail Sylvannas farewell with her sisters before jumping into the maw.. the facial expressions are more than words.
You know, Tyrande never said Sylvanas could return after she was finished redeeming souls. She just said to keep searching "until the final soul is free, and you are all that remains."
So she would be the sole occupier/master of the domain? Effectively being the new jailer with nobody to jail?
@@stanleyholmes1266 nope. After all Soul she brought to Maw is rescued it is her turn to be judged by the Arbiter.
Another cool cinematic but tbh i'm just glad to see the back of this entire expansion.
So Sylvannas is condemned to do dailies in SL for presumably the next 1000 years?
Damn that IS cruel...
Pretty much 🙈
Could've been worse. Could've been 10,000 years
Who said it would be 1,000 years? Literally no one.
Story is awful, but the new tech they have for these in-game cutscenes is getting REALLY good, especially their facial animations!
The in game cutscenes have improved sooooo much
Cheers! WoW's cutscenes quality improved to year 2012 right now!
The story may have been awful beyond comprehension, but at least the ending is satisfying.
I remember where in WOTLK being giving a cutscene was a rare treat for major events.
They just need to put our characters in these scenes
I love how Anduin flinches and how Sylvanas casts one last look on her sisters afore jumping. Well done!
See you guys in 12.0 or so.
-Sylvanas.
🙈
i fucking love the new course they are taking with in-game cinematics. it looks wonderful. i enjoyed everybit of it. the animations the movements the lipsync. gorgeous.
They lipsync is getting so good
Bruh it looks horrible and over the top. Game of thrones season 8 has better writing and cinematics than this
@@guffeluffe5987 it doesn't look horrible for Moty fokol, so whats your point? no reason to hate everything ~
@@noregrveidr8178 cause its a thing to hate WoW now , people are dick riding asmongold. I actually miss old asmongold, now asmongold thinks his opinion is always right lol
slowly diving into that fame mind.
@@noregrveidr8178 thanks love.
haha Sylvanas has to do dailies for the rest of her life now
Yes 😂😂
Are there actually daily quests saving souls in the expansion? Geeze, that's retarded.
I cried at the end when Sylvanas turn to watch her sisters Vereesa she almost cried too for her older sister
Remember my friends
Arbiter Pelagos: the Golden one claims the vaccant throne, the crown of light will bring only darkness
Ohh nice one
No, it was for Turalyon that Yll'ginnoth said that.
Thats the thing tho, we dont know for sure
Bliz doesnt even know for sure
@@diegochatard-caraballo5848 welll Turalion has not claimed the throne, is more or less just in charge until Anduin comes back, but Pelagos literaly took the Arbiter role.
So, off the top of my head, all those old legacy WC3 characters people liked that made it into WoW:
1. Arthas: just completely gone. They did him fine enough. Got a whole expansion about him but then ruined it by just making him a puppet of their new OC do not steal. Then they destroyed his soul so... bye Arthas. Thanks for the best expansion the franchise ever had, we made you retroactively meaningless, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
2. Kael'Thas: Killed him twice and haven't heard from him since, to my memory. Maybe he showed up for a sec in Shadowlands? Don't remember.
3. Illidan: Got a cool ending I guess. Off to go jail Sargeras forever, but gone.
4. Thrall: Green Jesus gonna Green Jesus. Seemingly one of the only very, very small handful of WC3 character they like.
5. Jaina: I guess she learned not to be a racist again? So... cool I guess. Good for her.
6. The entirety of the Burning Legion, the previous overarching main villains of the series: Puppets! Void lords were behind it all! Oooooh, scary!
7. Furion: Went home to be a family man.
8. Tyrande: Yeah the writers actually like her. She gets to do stuff. As seen here.
9. Kel-Thuzad: I can respect that they seemingly thought "Hey, Kel-Thuzad is a very important lore character, but as far as these games, he was just a raid boss twice and then died. Lets give him a chance to be more of a present, overarching big bad." But... eh.
And now Sylvanas, after they spent alllllll that time, multiple expansions seemingly with the sole purpose of building her up to be a big bad, nevermind. She was a puppet too. Everyone's puppets! It's an easy way to artificially make the new characters we cram into the plot important! No one has any agency, this new guy was behind it all! But don't worry, we won't kill another legacy. She'll just go live in The Maw for eternity, her new purpose in life is just... turnin keys offscreen. Unlocking locks. Turn them keys, girl. Trying to free all the people she sent there when she wasn't actually evil, she was controlled! But she'll be responsible for her actions, that she wasn't fully in control of! So yeah she'll just go do that and you'll never hear from her again. She hopes to find her boyfriend at some point. I think she did? In a novel or something? Just seems like the writers wanna have their cake and eat it too. They got their Sylvanas raid battle, but didn't fully wanna commit to killing her cause they know she's a fan favourite and the people want the zombussy. So they just let her live, but then shuffled her offscreen. Just weak.
I know I probably missed several others, but this comment's already long enough. WoW's modern writing frustrates me, man.
Edit: yeah I did forget Kael'Thas, and Lady Vashj, are both in... whatever faction. Helping do afterlife stuff in Shadowlands. Being prison wardens basically or whatever to redeem themselves for being dungeon bosses.
This is legit good stuff. It's been real long since something like this
Wow, that is a really low bar you have set.
I actually really really like this ending, didn't expect much and ofc the whole SL lore is mess on its own but given the options, this was probably the best way to handle her character and potentially save her for future use, maybe something cool with the undead population.
They should not have saved her for future use Jesus Christ people haven’t we had enough sylvanas?
God, this is terrible. I cannot fucking believe Blizzard was stupid enough to try for a Sylvanas redemption.
Blizzard: Syvannas is the new baddie!
Also Blizzard: ok stick her into the pit and wrap it up!
the part at the end with the sisters....dang...broke my heart a bit.
Sentenced to a rep grind. Truly the harshest punishment anybody could endure
Thanks a lot!
Expecting the extended version with quest context stuff too, because you spoiled us before :P
Hahahahaha 😄😄 will have the quest tomorrow brother!
I’ll be honest that’s actually a pretty good judgment
Agreed
Clearly they wanted to have her punished, but also be able to bring her back whenever they need her
Tyrande's VA delivery is straight up evil, which was a god awful choice.
The last look she gave her sisters made me pity her so much. But I guess she never wanted pity.
There is no pity for those that deserves punishment.
alleria just has a pure look of hate... but veressa looked so sad :(
Tyrande: "You must enter the Maw, and there you will gather 74,000,000 souls."
Sylvanas: "Yeah, yeah, I've been playing this game for a while. I know how quests work."
Sylvanas: the one character who legitimately does not deserve a redemption arc
I'm baffled that Thrall, Anduin, Jaina and especially Genn don't have a say in all of this
And she gets NO redemption.
@@cameronmcewen9666 wait until 14.0, this is only the start.
@@alephniguroth7105 There’s a 14.0?
She is still a badass villain tho
Wow this cinematic was actually so well done! Hope to see more like this in the new expansion!
It was great 😄
While this may seem like a fitting resolution for Sylvanas, it seems to completely ignore what we learned in Ardenweald where Elune admitted to sending all those souls from the Great Tree to the Winter Queen. The only way she could've done that since she cannot direct the souls to where to go, is by pushing Sylvanas into burning the tree. What if the elf we saw in the cutscene talking to her about "hope" was just Elune in a dead elf body pushing the right buttons to push Sylvanas over the edge. Remember, she was only going to invade the Great Tree, not burn it till speaking to that elf.
Captain Delaryn Summermoon wasn't dead yet during the Burning of Teldrassil. She died from her injuries afterwards. She talks about how Elune abandoned her people after she was brought back as a Dark Ranger.
Elune didn't direct the burning of Teldrassil but she did nothing to stop it. She turned her favorite friend Ysera into a constellation after her death. Putting out a tree fire wouldn't be that hard. In the cutscene you are talking about she admits she did nothing to save her favorite children because she had heard the cries of her sister. She probably figured the NE would accept that fate had they gone to Ardenwald. She used the tragedy that was unfolding for the greater good.
Exactly what I am still thinking
Okay...that was awesome..legit awesome the cutscene's models and expressions I mean
I also really loved Sylvanas as a char prior to bfa (personal preference, just met with her back in warcraft 3 and love the sylvanas of that era that's all) so this ending was kinda sad to a degree, but it was a well earned fate. I am really REALLY glad that they didn't go the Kerrigan path..or for a direct redemption and everyone's forgiven.
She was likable before BFA, and then BFA butchered her character and made her an idiot in SL
Oh, the simp that was writing her really wanted. But there was a huge backslash of fans being sick of Sylvannas being awesome All the time.
Prior to BfA? Like when she also genocided the entirety of Gilneas? Or more like when she turned on her Horde "allies" and killed anyone and everyone indiscrimantely at Angrathar?
This b*tch could never have been trusted. I knew it since she killed her horde comrades back in WotLK.
@@patrik3482 danuser.....how I trully despise this being.
There are two types of people:
1) “I submit to the Judgement of Tyrande Whisperwind.”
2) “I submit to no one. Not you. Not the jailer. And not this coward Thrall. FOR THE HOOOOORDE!”
Yeah 1 was working for the greater good (in her mind). Failed and is willing to pay the price for it.
The other is someone who became so full of himself no one could convince him otherwise. Garrosh's ending was funny but i hated that he had become just a cartoonish ego monster by the end.
DEATH TO THRALL AND BAINE!
@@coreym483 I mean garrosh did nothing wrong technically
@@Tiltingtrain he did 80% of everything wrong.
Poor little soul...
I pity that owl, condemned to look at Sylvanas for all eternity :(
Who said it’s for all eternity? Literally no one.
@@cameronmcewen9666 Technically it could be. It's literally a sub-realm of the afterlife. When you cross the veil from life to death, time sort of stops. 2 minutes can feel like a lifetime. No telling how much time has canonically passed in Azeroth and such since we've been in the Shadowlands, but its guaranteed to be super different in 10.0
Poor birb, will stay with slyvanas for eternity for our sake... RIP birb.
The bird is the last soul unjustly occupying soul in the maw once she finishes, just to really "twist the knife" by having to send on her one constant companion after god knows how long growing attached. After the bird is send on also, just her remains as the lone prisoner who didn't exactly get any permission to return.
I'm really happy that sylvanas accepted her fate and even said that her actions were her own instead of blaming the jailer.
0:12 I laughed more than I should at the look Tyrande gave Sylvanas.
🙈
At least Tyrande is still cool. Always liked Night Elves because she isn't afraid of being savage.
I love how Anduin is about to object but knows that it is not his place to do so... after all, the night elves where the ones suffering the most at Sylvanas hands. Still nice to see it though
*Cough* Gilneans *Cough Cough*
Anduin the only one about to object, because Anduin's the only one(outside of Uther) that understands Sylvanas on all levels now. Nevertheless, this punishment seems to satisfy the majority of everyone that thought Tyrande was just gonna "forgive" her.
Wow, they went beyond with her story and I really did think there's no way they can make a satisfying and wholesome ending, but they proved me wrong and actually did it. I love this.
idk if it was intended, but Sylvanas leaping into the maw felt like a really interesting callback to her leaping from icecrown
Say whatever you want about SL lore, but this cutscene, from an artistic and animation point of view is amazing, its all rendered with ingame models, thats a 2022 quality animation sequence done with an almost 20 years game engine, thats an amazing feat, cheers to the animation and art department, carrying wow since WOTLK
The cutscene was great when you compare it to the Old ones
the art department has never been the issue, as a matter of fact they carried the last 2 expansions.
I stand by everything you said here except for the very last part. The only expansion since WOTLK that I thought was just as good, if not even better was Legion, but yes other than that the art animation team are the ones really carrying the game.
Only redeeming quality. Everything else especially lore and story is pathetic. All flash and no substance
This has nothing to do with how great the game looks. This has everything to do with the corrupted higher ups, this goes beyond the lore, beyond the artistic look. This is dealing with sexual harassment, dudes drinking woman’s breast milk; while not giving these women maternity leave, who by the way are some of the artist for the game. But hey the graphics look great right???
I feel like this is a fitting fate for her, surprised that Tyrande didn’t kill her lol. I personally wanted her to go to revendreth but maybe after she saves the souls
I'm sad to see Sylvannas like this. This was a very good ending to the story they told and I love tragic villains, but that's not what this was. I don't feel like I'm watching a tragic villain get justice, I feel like I just watched Blizzard throw away a character that everyone hates now because the staff went on a 4 year crusade to simplify, undo, and destroy her. This was the ONLY ending they could write. Sylvannas may have been the single largest waste of potential I've seen in my life.
1 years later patch 11.0.0:
Blizzard: alright Ms. S we need you back
Sylvannas: but my judgment not done yet
Blizzard: we are out of ideas! we need you back asap
Love it, especially the new facial effects. Makes characters far more alive. This is fine for Sylvanas, its fair.
Could make for an interesting story in a few or several expansions.
They’ve gotten a lot better
0:35 watch from here, when the shot changes her character model awkwardly pops up. May have to slow the video down to get a better look at it, but it is there.
The virgin dark lady: summits to others judgement in remorse.
The chad Warchief Garrosh: summits to no one's judgement and goes down with a bang.
Are we gonna ignore the fact that Pelagos is now wearing the stupid crown? I'm never going to get over the fact that it was once the Lich King's helm.
NO NOT THE BIRD 😭😭😭
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Thanks for uploading this. My game client crashed during this scene and I was unable to abandon the quest to try again.
You are Welcome!
i genuinely wonder what Illidan would think of everything that Tyrande has been up to at this point in time. i can just see him sitting back and laughing his ass off. She seems to of forgotten that this hatred and rage is what got Illidan where he is today. Tyrande still has to atone for her sins as well.
What did Tyrande do compared to the genocide Sylvanas did though?
Unless you're calling accepting night warrior powers a sin what exactly did tyrande do
Illidan did nothing wrong
Weell, Tyrande has commit/ordered mass genocide before; looong time ago to the highborne… but I suppose her recent "sins“ have been being completely driven and blinded by, arguably justified, rage and resentment, as well as spite and revenge; blinded to the extent that she too has killed and ordered the deaths of innocent people. She doesn‘t practice all that she preaches, and she, too, needs to atone for some things.. though, how Blizz has ruined her character along with so many other favourites of mine always makes me a bit sad.. :/ but I blame it on execs that don‘t play the game and only care about cutting corners for profit and the storytelling in game suffers. Idk.. it‘s a whole mess for Blizz imo 😭
What sins?
What sins Tyrande did? Name them or shut your mouth
Tryande: "Did you save every soul you sent there?"
Sylvanas: "I saved only the ones that did not fade into oblivion like Arthas." "I also found Nathanos."
Tyrande: "How many was that."
Sylvanas: "I lost count."
How many did Sylvanas save from fading into oblivion? 10,000 out of 1,000,000,000.
Tyrande looks at her owl, the owl remains silent.
I... actually like this ending.
This is pretty good.
Arthas and Sylvanas are probably the #1 and #2 most popular characters in the entire history of the Warcraft Franchise. Blizzard farted one out of existence and stuck the other one in hell to do dailies for eternity. Jesus Christ these "writers".
Props to the art/animation team for the improvement on the lip sync, body language, facial expressions and cutscenes as a whole. A big improvement from BFA in game cutscenes and the oof Grommash one.
+It would be a nice touch if we could go to Maw and find here there around different areas looking for those souls.
The animations for the cutscenes have gotten so much better
...k you know what....I don't hate this. This genuinely is the best way to deal with the character in a just way! Damn, I did not expect that, well done!
I'm not gonna say that the trainwreck of an expansion at least landed on its feet with this outcome for Sylvanas, but with how the story unfortunately went, I do like it better than her either outright dying or taking over the Jailer's role or some crap like that.
Unknown amount of time finding those she damned to literal Hell to try and send them to where they actually belong? That's honestly not a terrible way to send her out after all the crap we had to put up wit from her, with the potential of bringing her back later. I kinda like it better than Illidan's current position.
The question is, why would they ever bring her back tho?
@@stormy6029 That’s for the best writers to decide. Assuming they have any left.
Gotta hand it to 'em, they handled this well. It's a fair but brutal punishment, a way for her to legitimately atone and undo the damage, and better yet it means we presumably won't have to see her again for YEARS (a godsend to all that are sick of her at this point). Plus the cutscene quality has been upped by a massive degree as per what we expected after the expansion's opening with Anduin's face.
They took a once amazing character, and from BFA to present continued to destroy her with each passing expansion. With other options since 8.0 they could have gone with, they decided to stick to a bastardization of the character. Blizz has been fucking up royally with the story since 8.0 and I don't see it ever getting better.
2:11 I was expecting "This is SPARTA!" version for this. 🤣
Not going to lie. Sylvanas has always been my favorite lore character and still is. I left WoW years ago, but since they've effectively gotten rid of Sylvanas, I continue to have zero reason to return to it.
I mean, that makes little sense my dude. If you haven't returned the past two expansions where Sylvanas was one of the focal point of the story, nothing they would have done with her would have made you return.
Then you shouldn’t be commenting. You should be getting a job, a family, a life. But because you’re here bitching over the absence of a fictional character, it means you won’t have any of it.
Okay but the way Sylvanas just popped up at 0:35 just made me laugh and made me wonder if this was legit or not.