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Arthas legacy will and can ever be forgotten. A time when the writers at blizzard still cared about the lore instead of breaking the lore every time it suits them to tell a meaningless and empty story. Arthas Menethil will be remembered as the best written villain a blizzard game ever had.
Honestly, given the significance of that scene it was a shame to see the cinematic wasn't done like their high quality cgi cinematics. it would've made a powerful scene even more powerful
Sylvanas has the last words with Arthas, who is not important to him, when the love of his life and his mentor who was like a second father to him are present. What a pathetic way to give an "end" to the most iconic character in the entire saga. How disrespectful.
Not important to him? Did you forget who turned her to banshee and caused what we've seen in all expansions since then from her? :D Maybe you are the one who forgot the saga!
@@f4lse_lol she was nothing to him but an enemy and then a rebellious minion, the fact that he set the following actions in motion doesn’t mean he has anywhere near the emotional connection to her as Jaina or Uther. You can add as many “:D’s” as you like but your take is still stupid.
@@f4lse_lol He may be important to her, but to him, she is nothing more than a little mistake. Jaina and Uther are thousand times more important to Arthas than Sylvanas. And believe me friend, I did not forget about the saga, although I wish I could forget the last part, especially since Sylvanas became the "protagonist" of this shit.
@@darzeon Couldn't have said it better.... Playing since warcraft 1 this feels like a travesty. I lost all my passion and my connection to the franchise. It's a different company and a different universe. It;s been (mostly) fun.
@@draen13 same here brother, Warcraft 1-3 and wow vanilla till now......this is a travesty...a clear spiteful and angry "F you" by the current writing staff at the fans for voicing their opinion about how much the current writing staff suck, a salty and petty childish attempt to bury and kill off the past examples and pillars of better writing than theirs.......Arthas shall never be forgotten, he shall forever be remembered, no matter how hard the blue haired weirdo's try.
I am fine with it. Anything else and they would have ruined Arthas. Sure “they” wanna forget him (The world and it’s inhabitants) but We who have played wow and warcraft, don’t have to forget him. Sure it is lazy writing and railroaded by some but Arthas is never forgotten. Let that be the end of it and hope for something better.
probably 2 part because how they fucked up in everything... + Sylvanas the queen-bitch speaking when Arthas was not even close at all to her... a litteraly regular victim is the one to speek rather than Jaina or Uther?... silence that bitch i say...
I actually liked it cause...it seems so fitting for the dark bargain Arthas made all those years ago when he picked up Frostmourne. Warned it would be his ruin, and the hubris of being reduced to nothing but a flicker and a tool is exactly the poetry that story needed for its end.
this feels very much like a salty attempt at the current writing staff to try and destroy and bury the past writing and story telling of those who came before and outshined them in the past, a little "Fine! Don't like our writing? Well F you we're killing off your favorite characters with tiny whimpers!" just....so petty and so salty lol
@@Sarah_Kinz That's not what he would want. What was done to her was far worse than death. She said it to Tyrande herself. Death would be a mercy, I am not expecting mercy. She has to redeem ALL the misjudged souls, every last one. Death would be a blessing. You alliance always think you are the "good guys" start acting like it.
@@DanaTheInsanecoming from a Hordie here. The thing she has to do isn’t worse at all. Kill her she would still come to the Shadowlands permanently but have her roam The Maw in all silence and no way of returning. Because she still wouldn’t be able to join Nathanos
@@nabeelhussain1372 Sylvanas should've fucking died in the previous Raid! Now Arthas isn't even a thing anymore! Imagine reducing your character to a fucking FLICKERING WISP.
We can't forget about Arthas, every damn week I have to kill him until he drops Invincible. How am I supposed to forget him if he laughs in my face every time he doesn't give it to me?
I know the feeling 7 years on multi character runs it toke me before that mount dropped and I do remember screaming out loud in happiness so I wish you all the luck in the world
@@calebpetrie2206 Its 1% no matter how many times u go in :P its not like its going up if u go there more. Thats how RNG works. Some are insanely unlucky on him
Although we all believed Arthas to be dead at the end of Icecrown Citadel, it never bothered me that much that his story had been brought to an end. Then to have him teased for however long it's been as returning, to just having Arthas' story end like this is actually really upsetting.
That's because it was a good, satisfying ending that naturally concluded his story. This is (to use an over-referenced franchise) the Star Wars sequels where you learn: Han peaked 30 years ago and is back to being a total loser, Leia is still fighting the Empire, and Luke has become a hobo who just wants to die alone. As opposed to leaders of the Rebellion (which had just killed Palpatine and Vader) and the first of the new Jedi.
@@SM-vm6xr End of the Zovaal fight, scene fades to black. "Champion, you're finally awake! You took quite the tumble on our way back from Argus. ...4th War? Jailer? First Ones? I think maybe you should lay down. It seems you hit your head harder than I thought." Or whichever expac works best for you.
I would've been happy with more reaction time from Jaina when the wisp faded away, even without lines. We got to see Uther's reaction, but not hers. A great tragic love story, completely undermined in the end. Sigh.
@@LeystTV No....I'd gladly trade Varian's worthless soul for Arthas, this was a straight spit in the face, this was an open F you to the OG warcraft fans just like the new star wars trilogy was to the OG fans with the "Destroy the past, burn it down if you have to."
@@DeathSithe92 do you want Arthas to return and be a quest npc? Or another raidboss? Or a happy ending for him after all he did? This just gives him closure after we found out his soul has been tortured & destroyed since we killed him back in WOTLK really not sure what else they could have done with him honestly
Arthas comes back in form one last time -> but isn't he still in the Maw, from which souls cannot escape from? Arthas gets redeemed -> but didn't he still kill all those people in Stratholme, and betrayed the mercenaries in Northrend, all before he became the Lich King? Arthas gets a reunion with Jaina for one last time -> didn't Jaina spend all five expansions-worth of character development to be more than a stereotypical female love interest in the end? Arthas remains atoning for his sins for all eternity -> but isn't the only reason he's in the Maw is because of Uther? shouldn't he land at least Revendreth? But then he can't leave the Maw right? See my point? Once you removed your nostalgia-goggles, the idea of his soul finding peace in oblivion makes a lot more sense.
@@nutterbipple Except for the fact that oblivion basically equates to nonexistence. So, there is no peace, nothing at all. Just…written off. That’s what sucks. As for Strat, did they have a cure for that? Or were they all likely to become more horrors creating/spreading more horrors?
@@nutterbipple it does make sense for him to rest, but the execution was garbage nonetheless. I've seen plenty of "Soul Remnants" get a much better send off, and i'm talking about side characters here, not one of the most iconic villains in gaming history. Hopefully we see a vision of him or something during the ending cinematic, that would be leagues above this.. THING, but who am i kidding. Not even Jaina seemed phased that her ex-lover's soul was being ushered into oblivion.
So we get a redeemed Azhara and Illidan and Sylvannas but Arthas is an actual fart in the wind? Out of any of these characters ARTHAS IS A FART IN THE WIND?
Azhara illidan sylvanas are alive but arthus is tortured to the bring of his existens dude what you want from a peace of his soul to build him again????
October 2020: "The story of Arthas from Warcraft III to its conclusion at the end of Wrath of the Lich King is one of the most iconic tales of our canon. We do not invoke his name lightly. At the same time, Shadowlands allows us to explore the origins of the darkness that consumed the heart of the young prince. In the process, we just might learn more about him and the others whose lives were forever impacted by the choices Arthas made." March 2022: "Flicker ball go spoof, lul" (This is not my comment btw, i just wanted to share it since it's so fking funny)
Eh, we already got Arthas in Uther's story. And they were all flashbacks: Arthas's story was over years ago. I don't know what anyone else expected. Not what they wanted or wished for, what they actually realistically expected.
I love the parallel of Varian's "My son..." To Tiranis Menethil's "My son..." before talking to their son, who has been corrupted and taken control of by the Jailer.
Not only that, but it's also a callback to the last time Varian was still alive, talking "directly" to his son. 7.0 Intro cinematic started with Varian writing his letter to Anduin, starting it with the line: My son... the last thing he said towards him. Also, besides that, let us not ignore the fact that they merged Varian's theme and Saurfang's theme and it sounds fucking badass.
@@timar6868 They did ruin his legacy though. They didn't even give him a proper afterlife. They treated him like he deserved that fate when he was as much a victim of dark magic as his followers and victims were. Uther, his mentor, and Jaina, his ex girlfriend, didn't get to say their final goodbyes while they were heartbroken. Instead, Sylvanas, his enemy, hogged the spotlight and gave him a spiteful lecture. Arthas deserved an afterlife instead of nonexistence. This scene was horrible.
@@Wowreference Bro, these are exactly my thoughts. Worst of it all is SYLVANAS telling the most iconic character of this game to be gone AND forgothen 🤦🏻♂️, maaan this kills me. I'm glad i never played much WoW, just played WC3 and follow the lore videos.
I always felt it was a bad choice 1.: to let Sylvanas say the last words to Arthas and 2.: that they picked those words for him... Arthas will NEVER be forgotten. One of the most tragic figures in gaming history.
Im sorry but Arthas not a tragic figure. He made his choices willingly with no regard for the warnings or the obvious red flags. Whatever happened to him was totally deserved and far from tragic. Yes he was powerful enough to still maintain a small portion of control so that the Lich King wouldnt annihilate everything but the lives he ruined out of his thirst for vengeance were countless. Sylvanas story is tragic on the other hand. All she ever wanted was to defend her kingdom from the undead, she was killed and raised into undeath and slowly evolved into an Arthas 2.0, only she never willingly chose her destiny. It was forced upon her.
@@graddeos For me, Illidan has the most tragic story with a happy ending. Unrequited love, brother, ultimately the desire to succeed no matter what. The result is the character growing up and renouncing, following his call and aspirations, overcoming all adversity.
@@M1Deavon Illidan story is amazing. I wouldnt call it tragic per se, cus he made his choices willingly too. However his arc development feels realistic and down to earth, even for a fantazy world. How unrequited love and being in someone's shadow can impact your life choices.
@@graddeos I disagree. I think his story is still tragic. The thing that made him so focussed on vengeance was out of a genuine desire to protect his people and kingdom no matter the cost. To him, however flawed it was, there was no other way.
Fun fact, the younger Saurfang's last words where "Enough talk! Let it be finished!" (watch the wrathgate cinematic) He then tries to cut down Arthas just to be killed, hints why he is a raid boss in ICC. In this cutscene Saurfang helps Anduin and says "Let it be finished" right before he rips the sword apart. I thought that was fitting, the Saurfang name finally followed through with the task of defeating the Lich king once and for all. I still believe Arthas deserved so much more. His reasons were so different from Sylvanas, he tried to save his people and his kingdom by traveling against orders to a strange land to kill a demon, his actions in Stratholme where questionable but he was basically in a panic to save his people and kingdom and wanted to do that by any means necessary. In Northrend he took up the sword and the helm to ultimately save his people and his kingdom, it didn't start until after he took the helm and sword when he was influenced and controlled, then he started forgetting everything else besides building his undead army and domination. Sylvanas on the other hand, yes she lost everything to the Lich king but even after being freed, at many points her intentions where pure evil, for example the bombing of the Wrathgate, Teldrassil, she bombed a lot more than just the wrathgate too, and her methods changed from just turning people after they died naturally to forcing them into it after purposefully killing them, there is more im not even gonna mention you get the idea. It bothers me she got the last word to him and not Jaina and Uther. Jaina and Uther where the ones closest to ARTHAS not just the Lich king, they had to walk the road with him and carry the burden and ultimately watch his downfall. Jaina went through how many expansions trying to come to terms with the whole Arthas situation?! They did not even want to give Uther some peace after being angry at Arthas for being his mentee and then killing him? So many teasers in WOTLK about how there was some little speck of Arthas left that stopped the scourge from killing everything in Azeroth (Halls of Reflection), so many teasers that he remembered Jaina and spared her and kept her necklace and for her to blame herself for his downfall in BfA only for Sylvanas to get the last word and for him to just disappear????? Does no one remeber the Mathias Lehner questline in Icecrown???? There are SO MANY unanswered questions about Arthas and his storyline and for this to be the ending to him after Blizzard purposefully said they wouldn't tarnish his name by bringing back all this stuff in Shadowlands is honestly just shameful. Okay rant over
To answer it simply, Blizzard cannot remember their own lore, nor most of the stuff in Wrath that isn’t the Icecrown Raid itself. Danuser will keep shoving Sylvanus into the spotlight until there isn’t even a modicum of respect left for her, and at the end of the day dust off his hands thinking he wrote a masterwork. I can almost guarantee that the entire half with Anduin was hastily made to make or cover up Sylv’s already cringe monologue a little less cringe.
Everyone forgetting arthas soul remnants are in the blades of the fallen Prince and what was left from his heart which was destroyed. He essentially became a horcrux being destroyed one piece at a time.
Hey, you're right...🤔 Edit: the least Sylvanas could do for Arthas is forgive him because she was at the same level as he. As for Jaina and Uther, they too should have talked to Arthas, at least.
hes just that "break in case of emergency" type of character, next time they screw up (which woulnt be long) we will see purgeman again to put under the rug Danuser mistakes.
@@jeffreydavidson5161 nah more like Uldren sov, his fate was unknown in TTK but came back just in time to “save destiny” and they have done it again after his “death” by the crow.
Yeah it just hits so hard chills everytime I am a life long Horde Player Lok Tar Ogar! but Anduin is one of the coolest characters and I am sure we all remember baby Anduin in Stormwind on raids to the city couldnt kill him be he was there! he really is Just and Righteous King the One True King!
I also get chills when Sylvannas speaks to Arthus it hits so hard and feels good almost 20 years now being part of this lore playing hours on end not as many as 15 years ago but still this is one of the best stories ever told in gaming history.
@@jasterloanstar2886 I'd hoped for that ending too where Arthas helps Saurfang and Varian save Anduin at the very least and then says his final words to Jaina, Uther and Sylvanas before going to Revendrath.
Yes, no point at all. Jaina does not trust Sylvanas for making Anduin into death knight, but trusting Uther that he throw her lover into the MAW, wait does she knows that?
Wanna see Saurfang, Varian, and Arthas have a storyline in the Shadowlands? Too bad! They only show up in a cinematic at the end of the expansion! Wanna see Jaina and Uther say goodbye to Arthas? Too bad! It's all Sylvanas!
"May the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten." Um, I think the fuck not. Is Blizzard really trying to encourage the player base to forget about potentially the most iconic character in all of Warcraft lore?
Yep, that's exactly what Woke Blizzard is telling us to do. I say screw them! I am NOT forgetting the most iconic character in all of Warcraft lore just because the PC thugs running Blizzard tell us to!
-King Menethil: "the moment you were born the very forests of Lorderoan whispered the name, Arthas" -Sylvanas:"may the last whisper of your name fade" Wow...
Though this ending stinks, Sylvanas's poetic words don't surprise me as she IS a Elf and they're known to be poetic no matter what type of Elf they are.
@@laszlosipos8863 nobody is hyping him up to us. He has been one of the most beloved characters in Azeroth since before WOW even came out. The amount of effort that went into telling his story has never been seen since. His raid was amazing, the whole expansion was amazing. If you look at all the big bads since him, Deathwing was lame, and so was his fight, They ruined Garrosh in MOP, in WOD we just refought old bosses, Legion was solid so I'll leave it alone, BFA was just terrible, and Shadowlands was only so-so. So with that logic, if Arthas is overhyped, then the rest of the game must be way overhyped.
This cinematic should've been at least 1 minute longer. They should've also used the Arthas model that they used in the BFA cinematic when Katherine was searching for Jaina in Thros. I mean, why did the made that high-res model if they were only going to use it for like 10 seconds? He should've had his final farewell with both Jaina and Uther instead of Sylvanas flaming his soul and basically telling him to get the fk out. Arthas' story is definitely one of the saddest lorewise and his fate in SL just made it even sadder.
See, is it though? I really can't pretend that Arthas was entirely a victim of the helm. I mean, remember, he was doing all of the wrong things before he even touched Frostmourne. He was seduced by the power of the blade in order to kill a dreadlord and save his people. He gave in willingly. The sword and helm, I believe, just amplified the worst qualities of Arthas. But, Jaina already had her closure. She didn't need to speak anymore on or to him. Uther was more shocked, since the torment that killed him also imprisoned someone else, and his guilt is more prevalent there. Syvlanas was the only one with a clear-ish head
For me i would rather have Arthas a chance of redemption, even if it would never be 'seen' in players time of 'wow' storyline I mean they gave it to 2 bastard elven leaders, 1 of former undead the other before becoming a demon lover... But not to a guy who sold his soul really and only ever wanted to save what he could of his people and kill off the 'main' murderer? Sell his own hide and sure sure he'd go for that i understand it... The other ones was like 1 sell them to demons for power sure I take it! and the other was like be a bitch queen and then 'sell' them to jailer asshole yeah why not?... Arthas was better in life and probably even death than either of them and he gets to die off? fck off fake wow shit or whatever it is now.
@@StevenWauford no, he didnt know the Real power of Frostmourne, After Taken the Sword he Lost all will and self control. He didnt have the ability of making a choice😢😢
@@StevenWauford clearly you did not pay attention to the game(s). he basically lost control of his mind after picking up Frostmourne as indicated by the cutscene after killing Mal'ganis. Even when he wore the crown he got right-click+cutted to a tiny corner by Nerhzul as indicated multiple times throughout the *Game*. But Christie Golden the star wars writer decided to retcon a lot of things in her shitty novel, including anakinizing arthas and making him the person inside the lich king lusting for power and wanting to kill everyone. Not only he got duped in the fantasy game, he also got duped in the real world, real tragic lmao
@@salehryan2906 So, neither of you listened to what I said either, or play the games at all, especially Warcraft 3. Sure, he lost his mind after he grabbed Frostmourne. I never questioned that. But he was angered at Mal'ganis and Kel'thuzad to the point where his actions made Uther question Arthas' own power as a Paladin. That was in WC3, so even without Christie Golden's book, that's still truth. Frostmourne seduced him, yes, because at that point, he lusted for whatever power he could use to save his people. Great intentions, but bad idea, therefore, not entirely a victim
So let me get this right, Arthas was always under the influence of the Jailer just like Sylvanus. (He was basically tricked in to finding Frostmourne) Yet Sylvanus comes out with a redemption arc and Arthas must have the memory of his existence erased and soul unmade? What atrocities did Arthas commit that were so much worse than Sylvanus burning down Teldrassil? Stratholme? Where the entire population had already been infected and were to be turned to zombies by Mal Ganis? Someone help me out here. "Father is it over?" "At long last." Was this just story filler fluff? Because apparently, "No, it's not over, you must have your very memory and soul erased." This along with all of the Shadowlands expansion was a disappointment.
@@clubpenguinfan1235 Under the influence of the Sword and therefore the jailer, just like Sylvanus was when she burned down Teldrassil. "Her war crimes, repugnant even to other Horde members and to an embattled world, were already apparent before the advent of the Lich King. Sylvanas maintained extensive slave pens in Undercity where captives from all of Lordaeron were brought to be tortured, vivisected and experimented on, an action Thrall's knowledge would likely result in the Forsaken's expulsion from the Horde, if not outright destruction. Her methods of using human, dwarf and even orcish captives as experimental subjects for her plagues, as well as usage of plague on several cities are an often overlooked/ignored aspect of her due to her popularity by fans regarding her villainousness. More recently, Sylvanas launched a genocidal attack on the Night Elf homes of Teldrassil and Darnassus, completely destroying both and killing any who did not escape in time. This atrocity against her own race of origin provoked a new wave of Alliance-Horde hatred and violence, sending Azeroth into bloody warfare once again." I'm just trying to say that neither was better or worse than the other. The story writing was lazy and their fetish for Sylvanus destroyed what could have been an amazing redemption arc for the most legendary character in WoW history, Arthas Menethil. They specifically want Arthas to be wiped from history so Sylvanus can take his place. They failed and instead they are just going to hemorrhage more and more of their dwindling fan base.
This indeed is the worst ending we could ever witness for him. So much for bringing in the hype by teasing him in bastion promo video, simply to draw his fanbase in game...
I mean Sylvanas was WARchief and at war against alliance for a while now, ("bUt TeLdRaSsiL hAd onLy ciViLiAns", who the fuck belived that?XD it was as guarded as any other city, it had it own fleet and army etc.) Btw, killing civilians is a war crime because of Geneva Convention, can't recall any treaties in Warcraft that say what is right or wrong at war. On the other hand Arthas was a paladin and a protector of his people, but he decided if a part of population is corrupted he must slaughter all of his subjects. Tell me you don't see the difference now
You know what, this would actually be pretty decent if the lead-up to it was done well and the story wasn't so strangely underwhelming otherwise. What a shame.
@@plummet3860 well if you build up his return as hype prior to the games release only to have said character's appearance in the game to not have any real impact or importance you've retroactively destroyed the character's story arc.
This cinematic could’ve been absolutely amazing, but they dropped the ball right at the last second. The music was brilliant - Anduin’s theme into Saurfang’s theme, into Arthas, My Son into Lament of the Highbourne. Varian and Saurfang’s brief return. All great. And then Arthas’ legacy just desecrated. This is Last Jedi/Luke Skywalker level of treatment to one of, if not the most iconic Warcraft characters. How anyone thought this was a good idea is beyond me.
The Arthas storyline is the most basic and overused storyline in the world. There's nothing special about that character. If anything his entire character development is shallow. Have you even played WC3? Read the book? Stop portraying him as something special.
@@Geeserunner I mean, his story was concluded at the end of WC3 Frozen Throne and then Wrath of the Lich King. Then they bring his character back from the grave and use him as some kind of plot device? It's disgraceful.
@@welmox2.0 I agree. If they brought him back it would have been much worse imo. But at the end of the day, WoW players are going to whine, no matter what happens.
Tbf heres the difference Arthas was a monster before he ever took up frostmourne. Sure, culling of stratholme was a screwed up no win scenario But then he tricked his men into coming to northrend And then he burned his ships and lied to his men and murdered the mercenaries he paid and ordered to burn the ships Arthas did many more horrible things after taking up frostmourne But never forget all the crimes he committed before it was ever in his sight
He was a dick with lust for strength and power, killed thousands for nothing, including family and friends. Do not tell he wanted to protect his people. In the end he protected no one, he betrayed everyone. Blue fart got exactly what he deserved. This is almost perfect cinematic.
@@Kelerion he basically lost control of his mind after picking up Frostmourne as indicated by the cutscene after killing Mal'ganis. Even when he wore the crown he got right-click+cutted to a tiny corner by Nerhzul as indicated multiple times throughout the *Game*. But Christie Golden the star wars writer decided to retcon a lot of things in her shitty, including anakinizing arthas and making him the person inside the lich king lusting for power and wanting to kill everyone. Not only he got duped in the fantasy game, he also got duped in the real world, real tragic lmao
An Icon of Warcraft. One of the best fallen hero stories ever written. Arthas/Lich King name that almost every gamer knows, in the end reduced to a bad guy that needs to be forgotten.....
@@bossvoodoo5454 first one is wrong Guldan is nothing compared to Arthas and Illidan in popularity. Second, exactly it ended in Wotlk then why they brought him back to reduce everything that we knew about him from games and books to just...This... It was better to keep him dead and out of "radar"
plus Guldan was just pure evil wanting power and working for Sargeras when Arthas was depressed controlled betrayed AND we played all of this in warcraft3 ppl felt pity for him that where "foul cires" come from
@@bossvoodoo5454 Gul'dan was liked more because he was a smirking asshole who needed to get his face punched in. He's like Erebus. We love to hate him.
Ok first half of the cinematic is amazing. The last half makes me want to quit wow and never look back, Arthas was the freaking reason i get into warcraft AND THEY DO HIM THAT DIRTY?! Like f**ck right off
Wow lore is alrdy fu.cked up. They have no idea about their characters. They resurrected selfish illidan many times. But about arthas. All the shit happened to the belived prince who sacrifice everything to save his ppl. Jailor manipulate his fate and whiteout any chance of redemption they remived him from the galaxy.
Same thought brooo...fck Blizzard litteraly deleted arthas like wtf arthas is a big character in wow like he is the reason I play wow... And follow the lore
Having Arthas come back would open up a can of worms that will make the story even more convoluted. Though I too was excited to see him, in retrospect, having him disappear in oblivion would suit his situation best. Those who think he's innocent due to lack of free will would argue that he needs to be redeemed, but pre-frostmourne Arthas did kill all those people in Stratholme. Those who think he's guilty would say he needs to atone for his sins, but that wouldn't make any sense since he's already in the Maw which is sort of the worst circumstance he could ever be in.
@@nutterbipple Personally i also wouldn't want him back so they could ruin his lore but after all the teasing at least give him a proper send off ffs, but no we get a tiny wisp and "you're forgotten lmao"
Imagine having Jaina and Uther there to say some last words to Arthas, and then this insignificant smudge in his story Sylvanas gets to talk to him lmao
Also, can I just add that the finality of the phrase "Let it be finished" here at the moment when the force responsible for the death of saurfang and his son, who both uttered the same phrase before this same power ended their lives, is overcome by Anduin is just pure *chef's kiss*
Argh! That was more like a fever dream than him actually returning, since his soul is nowhere to be found. It was supposedly destroyed by guldan in the broken shore cinematic.
@@Cook-by-the-book yeh but still it’s better than nothing at this point. I wanted him to come back and fight the jailor like him and Anduin team up. But I guess not
The whole "Be forgotten" part i personally explain myself as Arthas being universally hated by everyone for all the damage he brought to the world except for very few that knew in detail who he was and how he became the monster. The only way what is left of him to find peace is with the world forgetting he ever existed.
And who is the bitch queen? oh right she was sent of to maw nvm her! the bitch elven king what happens to him SL trapped or?... Sad Arthas doesn get more screens or even better ending I mean at least a real farwell of some kind would have been nice... Hell if he had 'helped' Anduin to break free of the jailers grasp with his own death just that would been enough compared to the SL crap fcking worthless expansion...
The crime wasn't that Sylvanas got the monologue, but that they didn't prepare for it in the right way. She represents the entire people abused and ruined by his choice... but they didn't lay the groundwork to explain that nearly enough. Jaina found her closure in BFA, Uther found his closure last patch... but because of the catastrophe of Sylvanas's arc, we don't feel like she needed that closure, when the OG Sylv would have.
Absolutely shocked. I haven’t played since mists of pandaria since I found that boring. But along the way I’ve kept up with the lore. And I was really keen to be able to start playing again but on my Xbox… until I seen this cinematic. I can’t see any reason as to why I would want to come back now. This is a huge spit on the face to all wow players. So angry with blizzard cannot believe what they have done.
What they've done to Arthas, ensures i'll never forget his name. He deserved a redemption, not ... this... For them to so casually throw away the most iconic character of the Warcraft universe is tantamount to treason. I briefly played early BfA after a hiatus from early WoD, and though i considered coming back for SL, i am glad i didn't.
Can someone explain to me how the sword works? I mean when and who can split it? How will it become one again? Edit: BTW blizzard, give us an arms warrior skill when we can split our main weapon and hit hard with them. Would be awesome
@@WolfCharge Shalamayne was forged by two different sword, Shalla'tor and Ellemayne. Varian held Shalla'tor and Lo'Gosh (Varian's split personality) held Ellemayne. Onyxia during the battle with them accidentally fused the them into one, making Varian and Lo'Gosh the same person again, and Shalamayne was born with Varian's and Lo'Gosh's combined soul glowing in the middle.
I started to play Warcraft 3 at 15 years old, Arthas was my favorite, I've always played Paladin in WoW because of him. Now i have 32, it is so hard to see Arthas disappear for ever, a part of my childhood is gone with him :(
I can get people being mad expecting Arthas in the "flesh" but the thing is *Arthas had his ending. This cutscene is not about him.* It's about the impact that was left behind, and the people that were shaped in that wake, _for better or for worse._ I think to a wake held after a funeral. You might speak at it about a person, but they're not really there. Not really. Not anymore.
They retconned Arthas Menetihil’s ending at the end of Wrath in the service of propping up the worst villain of all time. Blizzard traded “I see only darkness for me” for “Hi kids, my name’s Mr. Nipples!
The name of Arthas Menethil will never be forgotten, unlike yours, the dead huntress, killer and destroyer. Arthas tried to save everyone by sacrificing himself, and you're just a pawn in the wrong place at the wrong time. Silvana, you're nothing.
This does make me sad. Not the ending itself, but how we got NOTHING from Arthas until the end in which we only get to see a flicker of his soul. It's just so damn disappointing, especially for me who started playing during Wrath. Arthas has always been the golden standard for a character in WoW.
Thank you Blizzard for continuing the general vibe of absolute disappointment in Shadowlands. Landscape: Boring. Villains: Idiotic AF Story: See above And now you give us the end to one of the most beloved, feared, powerful and interesting Characters in the history of gaming I might say, in the form of a blue gas cloud. All that was missing, was the fart noise when he faded.
Three things: 1. Anduin was saved by the Power of Love. And Plot Contrivance. 2. Sylvannas almost sounded compassionate when she was talking about Arthas. 3. Wait, if that's the last of Arthas' soul, wtf happened to the part of him cast into the Maw?
Argh! Uther says his soul was used by the jailor’s soul forges, which means his soul was used to forge and power kingsmourne, but since the blade was separated, it released what little was left of arthas soul, only to it fade away and finally confirm he is 100% dead and never returning again. Yeah I hate shadowlands as whole now, arthas was the last bit of interest I had left, thinking we would at least see him get a proper sendoff, but this is what we get from the brilliant mind of Steve danuser, the biggest sylvanas simp.
man anduin being the new lich king and taking he's seat at ice crown citadel would have been some epic shit, it fits him well. "there must alway's be a lich king" means nothing now.... they destroyed the soul reason i started playing wow for.
If only Metzen had been brought back sooner and given oversight of the story like he is now. I 100% know he would not have allowed Arthas to be done like this. This REEKED of steve danuser. He wanted to basically use Shadowlands as a way to gut and toss out the legacy and characters of the past he didn't want to bring forward into his shit story going forward. He didn't either know or care to do it properly either. Instead of a satisfying send off even if it did basically close the door forever on Arthas he just decided to stand right over fans and take a big ole shit all over the lore and fan support to see arthas one last time. Thankfully his ass was basically depowered by the end of SL and by mid DF gone.
I had chills seeing varian again & even saurfang 🥺, but seeing a "bread crumb" of arthas for a few seconds without a word then vanishing .... was THAT it??? 🤦♂️
I'm so disappointed that Jaina, Arthas' lover, didn't even get to say her "final" goodbyes to the last piece of Arthas' soul and Sylvanas hogs the spotlight for her stupid fucking redemption arc.
I do love how Blizzard STILL evades having to justify The culling of Stratholme, since the rest of Arthas' crimes are all now "domination magic" coercion. I agree, it seems impossible to put an end to that debate, so let's just elf whisp this mofo away from trial and judgment with an edgy epitaph. SMH. Though the whole scene is nicely written, and Varian's memory "Forged by Valor" is nothing less than EPIC, the CORE issues remain undelivered. Also, WHY IS JAINA NOT CRYING ICECUBES in this scene?
Arthas has been dead for years. Jaina's not the stereotypical trope of a female character that she is back in WC3, she had time to grow and mature. She knew Arthas more than anyone and condemns what he had done. Having her weep like a btch would erase every single character development she had since wotlk. Though I admit the crimes of pre-frostmourne Arthas is still a gray area, you can't really blame someone for doing something without his/her free will. Having Arthas come back and atone for his sins is so cliche & will make his eventual exit even more troublesome to deal with. He has been exploited in life, exploiting him further in death doesn't sound good. Oblivion could possibly be the only way for him; his soul dying without a chance of living another life in the Shadowlands.
I'm not a arthas fan boy but he didn't do anything wrong by killing people who was gonna die anyway and go on to kill much more. Hard choice but not evil
I mean Blizzard doesn't justify Stratholme at all despite that fact it easily could (plague they barely understand that can turn people quickly into the undead plus it happening in a city creates a gigantic mess) given all the times they view it as bad. Pretty sure most of Arthas' Crimes comes under "domination magic" given even in W3 he changes quite a bit after taking up Frostmourne.
WotLk was the best expansion, so much fun, so accessible, so many friends playing - oh well, been 4 years since I left, just came here out of curiosity to see what they did to Arthas....sad.
Always though slyvannas would know about Arthur's soul been in the sword. She always hated him and would be a good way the jailer to please her and get her to his bidding more
I was expecting the cinematic to be as bad as the expac and be like this: Anduin fights his new true nature while Sylvanas knee-slides up to him, yelling, “Nooooooo!” Seeing her, he morphs into blue!Arthas but becomes penitent and the two of them skip off into Stormwind together to rules the Alliance as heroes (and her chest size increases to rival Calia’s, so you know they’re going to fight someday). This leaves Tyrande to be angry-woman all over again and go on to form the next big-bad combo by leaping back through the hole from SL to Azeroth, yanking the sword out of Silithus and gathering all the villains of the past into the SuperFriends of baddies. The baddies will include such notable characters as Magni, the ghost of Cairne, a named Orc (doesn’t matter which, pick one) and Bolvar’s daughter. And they will repeatedly refer to her as “Bolvar’s daughter.” So it’s better than that hot mess. But what we could have gotten: Anduin struggles as Baine runs to his aid, but is strengthened by the ghost of BOTH his parents - you know, including his mom who can only be mentioned if we’re naming ships 'Tiffin.' He comes to his senses. There’s our Alliance and Horde representation - there’s no need for Saurfang to show up out of nowhere for no reason. Then as Arthas’ soul leaves, it actually looks like him, and the 3 other people who are important in this scene, Uther, Sylvanas and Jaina all get a chance to converse with him. Arthas and Sylvanas each take blame for their parts; Jaina and Uther express their sorrow at how things have turned out. Arthas and Sylvanas realize they share a similar fate based on their actions and leave to atone (see them in 3 expacs). Jaina cries and Uther turns away but it’s clear he’s tearing up as well. Kudos to the writing team if they can use dialogue callbacks in the scene. Cue dramatic music.
Arthas ain't a saint lol, he killed everyone in Stratholme and left his comrades to die in Northrend. And that's pre-frostmourne/helm of domination. He's already in the Maw, an iescapable hellhole for all of eternity. How can you justify having him stick around when he's supposed to be atoning for his sins.
@@nutterbipple Revendreth could have taken him in and forced him to find and save every single soul he condemned to the Maw with Frostmourne. Shackle him to Sylvanas too while they're at it. Instead, we got this...
@@nutterbipple Def not a saint - but were his Crimes worse than Sylvanas? Was Stratholme worse than burning down the tree murdering countless lives? My issue primarily with the cinematic is when she says "your legacy is at an end, begone then Arthas, may the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten" To me - that sounds like Blizzard is telling us "fuck you - we are killing him forever, deal with it". Sylvannus never should have been redeemed if they were not willing to offer the same chance for Arthas.
Aside from Sylvannas having the last words, this ending was actually perfect for Arthas in Shadowlands. Arthas' life and his death on ICC was already tragic. Given what we know his fate was after death and the incredible torture he must have endured until his soul was reduced to just a dim ball of light made it even more tragic. He was broken down so bad that he couldn't even talk. He couldn't even say goodbye. He didn't even have what every other character in Shadowlands still had: a soul. That's how much he was tortured. What an incredible fall from such high heights. There isn't another character in WoW who suffered more than Arthas and this cinematic clearly shows that in such a sad way.
So glad to see this comment. I feel like everyone has completely missed the point of his entire story. Arthas' story was always a classic tragedy. He tried to do the right thing at first, but his own actions took him so far off that path that he willingly became one of the most evil characters in the world. His power made people build him up to be some mythical juggernaut, but he was always that same confused, pissed off kid. By the end of Wrath he was only 31. And when he died, his death showed him for what he is: just a decently strong paladin who happened to pick up a mega-powerful sword that drove him completely nuts with power and rage. Just look at the fight: he's crazy strong, shrugs off everything you throw at him, one shots the entire raid, and then goes down in 5 seconds once Frostmourne gets broken. Then this ending happens. After all that's happened to him and all that he did, in the end he's just dust. He wasn't mythical. He was just a soul to be torn apart in Torghast like everyone else, and he fades away like so many of the other spirits he tore apart personally. It's the ending he deserved. People need to stop worshipping him like he's some paragon that just got a bad deal. He made his own bed, and he gets to sleep in it. It's tragic and sad, but it's absolutely fitting.
Same here and I also cried foul as it means that Arthas will never get to be with his father and all those he knew in life because he ceases to exist. Of course, Blizzard would likely find a way to bring him back if they REALLY wanted to do so.
@@girlgarde Well they created a realm to bring back Uther, and they made time travel to bring back Grom and Gul'dan at it's time, why not with Arthas at some point?.
@@parkouremaster don't hope on it. cuz if they do, that will be another attempt at luring his fanbase to back to game, just like how they did with the bastion promo prior to SL release.
its almost 20 years of my life .... how can we forget arthas since I was 13 until now .... unforgotten moments: illdan becomes metamorph arthas defeats illidan NOW WE ARE ONE illidan's back U SHALL BE KING mannoroth : whaa .. what is this ... guldan , what have you done archimonde death illidan returns again and now ... arthas is gone
The thing I only like is how Sylvanas isn’t trying to redeem herself, but instead owning up to the horrific things she did and accepting she is in fact as horrible as Arthas, even worse.
BULLSHIT, sorry sneezed there Im allergic to complete bullshit and lies, Arthas was never horrible, Sylvanas did what she did out of petty spite towards the living for something she could no longer have, Arthas was MC'd and forced to slaughter everyone he's ever loved and known, Arthas is a hero, Sylvanas is a one not one dimensional petty villain who should have died off years ago.
This would've been better if Arthas' (good guy) spirit showed up and had a final staredown with every character... and then having a word of guidance towards Anduin, a final goodbye to Jaina and an apology to Uther and Sylvanas for his acts.
Why do so many people want a good ending for the evil boy but are mad when they give the good ending to the evil lady? Both deserve to be tortured until they wither away as wisps, the only reason this cinematic sucked is because the evil lady isn't disappearing too.
@@JoshJohnson-br1ts I think it's because the Evil boy wasn't judged properly and has had a lot more of an impact with players. Not to mention that arguments can be made that he only did what was right. It's that favoritism for a character nobody really likes who is shielded from any and all badmouthing by the Devs. She gets basically nothing compared to Arthas.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Arthas is the lich king, man. Sure, he did what he thought he needed to in Strat.. the rest is pure evil garbage (and before you try, no, he wasn't possessed, he was convinced to do those things) I wrote college papers about Arthas' innocence, I still know better than that
@@JoshJohnson-br1ts True, he did awful things in Northrend, that is undeniable, but most people seem to think he was an awful brat who did nothing but whine and complain.
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With Shalamayne being possibly destroyed, I think Anduin is not gonna get another one
And now " let it be finished"
"I will never trust her!" And yet, she ended up going to ice crown to see if Arthas would stop because he loved her. Jaina.......
“You guys will definitely be seeing Arthas in the Shadowlands.”
Uhh… well that was underwhelming.
When did they ever say that though?
@@KillianJenkins January 2020 a developer confirmed we would see Arthas in Shadowlands during a genral discussion.
@@onyroo we did see him in the boss encounter..
Might still be Part of the end
@Carlos Spiceywhiener Neither did Blizzard.
Look how they massacred my boy...
:((
Both Literally and spiritually
All so they can flush out sylvanas's story
@@blacksun6245 quite literally flush it out along with the vestigial remnants of the writing team’s talent. If they ever had any.
Arthas legacy will and can ever be forgotten.
A time when the writers at blizzard still cared about the lore instead of breaking the lore every time it suits them to tell a meaningless and empty story.
Arthas Menethil will be remembered as the best written villain a blizzard game ever had.
You can hate on Arthas all you want. But I had tears when Varian put his hand on Anduin.
You are missed, King.
I cried when Varian died and bursted into a sea of tears when i saw him again. 🥺
For the alliance
Huge lion king father in the clouds energy.
Honestly, given the significance of that scene it was a shame to see the cinematic wasn't done like their high quality cgi cinematics. it would've made a powerful scene even more powerful
Whoever who knows the story of arthas could possibly hate him. imo hes the most significant, well written storylines of a tragic persona there is.
Sylvanas basically telling Arthas's soul to fuck off is very on the nose for Blizzard.
Sylvanas has the last words with Arthas, who is not important to him, when the love of his life and his mentor who was like a second father to him are present. What a pathetic way to give an "end" to the most iconic character in the entire saga. How disrespectful.
because the writers today werent part of the original saga, they wanna disrespect it as much as possible to troll us, this damage cant be undone
Not important to him? Did you forget who turned her to banshee and caused what we've seen in all expansions since then from her? :D Maybe you are the one who forgot the saga!
@@f4lse_lol she was nothing to him but an enemy and then a rebellious minion, the fact that he set the following actions in motion doesn’t mean he has anywhere near the emotional connection to her as Jaina or Uther.
You can add as many “:D’s” as you like but your take is still stupid.
@@f4lse_lol He may be important to her, but to him, she is nothing more than a little mistake. Jaina and Uther are thousand times more important to Arthas than Sylvanas. And believe me friend, I did not forget about the saga, although I wish I could forget the last part, especially since Sylvanas became the "protagonist" of this shit.
It was kind of epic, just a wisp disappearing into the mist, after such a legacy. Everything must return to dust.
don't worry guys we can recruit arthas now in tree of life
lol
Huh?
@@grantafrica4412 arthas now look just like wisp from warcraft 3. they can be recruit in tree of life
There’s a “Tree of Life”?
Instantly attacked by group of summons and spell casters***
Arthas: time to detonate then...
Garrosh got a better send off than Arthas... WOW, what a letdown, not even a cameo. Disappointed is an understatement.
They killed him again without even bringing him back in the first place, I hope wow dies with him.
@@darzeon Couldn't have said it better.... Playing since warcraft 1 this feels like a travesty. I lost all my passion and my connection to the franchise. It's a different company and a different universe. It;s been (mostly) fun.
@@draen13 same here brother, Warcraft 1-3 and wow vanilla till now......this is a travesty...a clear spiteful and angry "F you" by the current writing staff at the fans for voicing their opinion about how much the current writing staff suck, a salty and petty childish attempt to bury and kill off the past examples and pillars of better writing than theirs.......Arthas shall never be forgotten, he shall forever be remembered, no matter how hard the blue haired weirdo's try.
I am fine with it. Anything else and they would have ruined Arthas. Sure “they” wanna forget him (The world and it’s inhabitants) but We who have played wow and warcraft, don’t have to forget him.
Sure it is lazy writing and railroaded by some but Arthas is never forgotten. Let that be the end of it and hope for something better.
This is the best devs can do without suffering an aneurysm.
How can I love and hate this at the same time??
Seeing Varian: AAAAAAAAA
Seeing the last of Arthas: Ah...
The good slightly exceeds the bad, which honestly is my view on Shadowlands in general, so it is fitting.
The last vestige of Arthas.....and Jaina had nothing to say
probably 2 part because how they fucked up in everything... + Sylvanas the queen-bitch speaking when Arthas was not even close at all to her... a litteraly regular victim is the one to speek rather than Jaina or Uther?... silence that bitch i say...
I actually liked it cause...it seems so fitting for the dark bargain Arthas made all those years ago when he picked up Frostmourne. Warned it would be his ruin, and the hubris of being reduced to nothing but a flicker and a tool is exactly the poetry that story needed for its end.
If you notice in the War within cinematic he holds his sword out like the lich king ...
Sorry sylvanas but he will never be forgotten.
this feels very much like a salty attempt at the current writing staff to try and destroy and bury the past writing and story telling of those who came before and outshined them in the past, a little "Fine! Don't like our writing? Well F you we're killing off your favorite characters with tiny whimpers!" just....so petty and so salty lol
Yep. The ladies have to take over all the lead roles. Just wait and see. Let’s ignore the good established lore and characters
We will kill Sylvanas for this one day. Mark my words. For Arthas, the king!
@@Sarah_Kinz That's not what he would want. What was done to her was far worse than death. She said it to Tyrande herself. Death would be a mercy, I am not expecting mercy. She has to redeem ALL the misjudged souls, every last one. Death would be a blessing. You alliance always think you are the "good guys" start acting like it.
@@DanaTheInsanecoming from a Hordie here. The thing she has to do isn’t worse at all.
Kill her she would still come to the Shadowlands permanently but have her roam The Maw in all silence and no way of returning.
Because she still wouldn’t be able to join Nathanos
How can this be GOOD and BAD at the same time?!
Hahaha i dont know 😄
Because the first half is great. Then sylvanas starts talking and ruins it.
@@nabeelhussain1372 Sylvanas should've fucking died in the previous Raid! Now Arthas isn't even a thing anymore!
Imagine reducing your character to a fucking FLICKERING WISP.
Because it's good but it's in the end of Shadowlands
Because it isn't bad.
We can't forget about Arthas, every damn week I have to kill him until he drops Invincible. How am I supposed to forget him if he laughs in my face every time he doesn't give it to me?
XDDDD nah this comment made my night tho
I know the feeling 7 years on multi character runs it toke me before that mount dropped and I do remember screaming out loud in happiness so I wish you all the luck in the world
I got it in 5 kills
bruh you must not have been playing that long if youre still farming that shit
@@calebpetrie2206 Its 1% no matter how many times u go in :P its not like its going up if u go there more. Thats how RNG works. Some are insanely unlucky on him
We will always remember Arthas, and we will do everything in our power to forget the Jailer.
#NeverForgetArthas
Who is the Jailer again?`i kinda forgot his name other than well Jailer but its kinda feels like a job more than a name to be fair probably is.... X)
I rather forget that who wrote this the entire ever existed
@@JamailvanWestering Wait someone actually wrore this crap like a story and activision just din't just made something up randomly everyweek/month?
Although we all believed Arthas to be dead at the end of Icecrown Citadel, it never bothered me that much that his story had been brought to an end. Then to have him teased for however long it's been as returning, to just having Arthas' story end like this is actually really upsetting.
That's because it was a good, satisfying ending that naturally concluded his story.
This is (to use an over-referenced franchise) the Star Wars sequels where you learn: Han peaked 30 years ago and is back to being a total loser, Leia is still fighting the Empire, and Luke has become a hobo who just wants to die alone. As opposed to leaders of the Rebellion (which had just killed Palpatine and Vader) and the first of the new Jedi.
@@MurasakiTsukimaru this wasn't good or satisfactory at all. It was as terrible as utterly possible.
@@SM-vm6xr Um, yes. That's my point? Arthas's story ending in ICC was a proper ending to his story. So naturally, they had to fuck that up
@@MurasakiTsukimaru ya. I wish all this never happened... >_
@@SM-vm6xr End of the Zovaal fight, scene fades to black.
"Champion, you're finally awake! You took quite the tumble on our way back from Argus. ...4th War? Jailer? First Ones? I think maybe you should lay down. It seems you hit your head harder than I thought."
Or whichever expac works best for you.
Jaina and Uther could’ve had more lines. But it was wonderful that we got to see Varian and Saurfang.
Yep
I wonder if they were in the sword the entire time who knows how many souls he shoved in there
I would've been happy with more reaction time from Jaina when the wisp faded away, even without lines. We got to see Uther's reaction, but not hers. A great tragic love story, completely undermined in the end. Sigh.
@@LeystTV No....I'd gladly trade Varian's worthless soul for Arthas, this was a straight spit in the face, this was an open F you to the OG warcraft fans just like the new star wars trilogy was to the OG fans with the "Destroy the past, burn it down if you have to."
@@DeathSithe92 do you want Arthas to return and be a quest npc? Or another raidboss? Or a happy ending for him after all he did? This just gives him closure after we found out his soul has been tortured & destroyed since we killed him back in WOTLK really not sure what else they could have done with him honestly
I am just, speechless. In a bad way.
Arthas "Glowing Ball" Menethil:
"Remember.. remember me. Remember that i once lived."
N'zoth cinematic was short, but this one was just bad and pointless ahha, kinda like the Shadowlands
Yeah, exactly.
YoshiP, at least, knows how to treat a villain that you come to love...with respect.
Arthas comes back in form one last time -> but isn't he still in the Maw, from which souls cannot escape from?
Arthas gets redeemed -> but didn't he still kill all those people in Stratholme, and betrayed the mercenaries in Northrend, all before he became the Lich King?
Arthas gets a reunion with Jaina for one last time -> didn't Jaina spend all five expansions-worth of character development to be more than a stereotypical female love interest in the end?
Arthas remains atoning for his sins for all eternity -> but isn't the only reason he's in the Maw is because of Uther? shouldn't he land at least Revendreth? But then he can't leave the Maw right?
See my point? Once you removed your nostalgia-goggles, the idea of his soul finding peace in oblivion makes a lot more sense.
@@nutterbipple Except for the fact that oblivion basically equates to nonexistence. So, there is no peace, nothing at all. Just…written off. That’s what sucks.
As for Strat, did they have a cure for that? Or were they all likely to become more horrors creating/spreading more horrors?
@@nutterbipple it does make sense for him to rest, but the execution was garbage nonetheless.
I've seen plenty of "Soul Remnants" get a much better send off, and i'm talking about side characters here, not one of the most iconic villains in gaming history.
Hopefully we see a vision of him or something during the ending cinematic, that would be leagues above this.. THING, but who am i kidding. Not even Jaina seemed phased that her ex-lover's soul was being ushered into oblivion.
So we get a redeemed Azhara and Illidan and Sylvannas but Arthas is an actual fart in the wind? Out of any of these characters ARTHAS IS A FART IN THE WIND?
I knew something smelled weird here. 😂
Farthas
@@axechop fartass
Azhara illidan sylvanas are alive but arthus is tortured to the bring of his existens dude what you want from a peace of his soul to build him again????
Why his father or saurfang arent redeemed???because their souls are broken and destroyed but sylvanas illidan and azhara are not broken
October 2020: "The story of Arthas from Warcraft III to its conclusion at the end of Wrath of the Lich King is one of the most iconic tales of our canon. We do not invoke his name lightly. At the same time, Shadowlands allows us to explore the origins of the darkness that consumed the heart of the young prince. In the process, we just might learn more about him and the others whose lives were forever impacted by the choices Arthas made."
March 2022: "Flicker ball go spoof, lul"
(This is not my comment btw, i just wanted to share it since it's so fking funny)
and so fething true.
except thats exactly what we got in uther's story? all the flashbacks with arthas in them? i guess the player base kind of forgot.
Gladly I did not drink anything the time I read this comment. A legend! An almighty king! .... Spoof! xD
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Eh, we already got Arthas in Uther's story. And they were all flashbacks: Arthas's story was over years ago. I don't know what anyone else expected. Not what they wanted or wished for, what they actually realistically expected.
I love the parallel of Varian's "My son..." To Tiranis Menethil's "My son..." before talking to their son, who has been corrupted and taken control of by the Jailer.
Anduin: Father... is it over...
Varian: The jailer's domination...yes... *No king rules forever...*
...not like they have the same music @2:03 or anything, you big brain...
Honestly the best part. Kind of weird Saurfang showed up too, but hey, great to see him again.
Not only that, but it's also a callback to the last time Varian was still alive, talking "directly" to his son. 7.0 Intro cinematic started with Varian writing his letter to Anduin, starting it with the line: My son... the last thing he said towards him.
Also, besides that, let us not ignore the fact that they merged Varian's theme and Saurfang's theme and it sounds fucking badass.
Yeah except Arthas wasn’t corrupted, he caused his own downfall by his overzealous nature
Fans: We want to see Arthas in shadowlands.
Blizz: Fuck what you want.
Actually most fans said they didn’t want to see them because they we’re worried they would ruin his legacy this is decent not a bad game plan here
@@timar6868 bro they made him into a fucking ball
@@timar6868 They did ruin his legacy though. They didn't even give him a proper afterlife. They treated him like he deserved that fate when he was as much a victim of dark magic as his followers and victims were. Uther, his mentor, and Jaina, his ex girlfriend, didn't get to say their final goodbyes while they were heartbroken. Instead, Sylvanas, his enemy, hogged the spotlight and gave him a spiteful lecture. Arthas deserved an afterlife instead of nonexistence. This scene was horrible.
@@Wowreference Bro, these are exactly my thoughts. Worst of it all is SYLVANAS telling the most iconic character of this game to be gone AND forgothen 🤦🏻♂️, maaan this kills me. I'm glad i never played much WoW, just played WC3 and follow the lore videos.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I always felt it was a bad choice
1.: to let Sylvanas say the last words to Arthas and
2.: that they picked those words for him...
Arthas will NEVER be forgotten. One of the most tragic figures in gaming history.
let's be honest: he was a big asshole even before becoming a death knight.
Im sorry but Arthas not a tragic figure. He made his choices willingly with no regard for the warnings or the obvious red flags. Whatever happened to him was totally deserved and far from tragic. Yes he was powerful enough to still maintain a small portion of control so that the Lich King wouldnt annihilate everything but the lives he ruined out of his thirst for vengeance were countless. Sylvanas story is tragic on the other hand. All she ever wanted was to defend her kingdom from the undead, she was killed and raised into undeath and slowly evolved into an Arthas 2.0, only she never willingly chose her destiny. It was forced upon her.
@@graddeos For me, Illidan has the most tragic story with a happy ending. Unrequited love, brother, ultimately the desire to succeed no matter what. The result is the character growing up and renouncing, following his call and aspirations, overcoming all adversity.
@@M1Deavon Illidan story is amazing. I wouldnt call it tragic per se, cus he made his choices willingly too. However his arc development feels realistic and down to earth, even for a fantazy world. How unrequited love and being in someone's shadow can impact your life choices.
@@graddeos I disagree. I think his story is still tragic. The thing that made him so focussed on vengeance was out of a genuine desire to protect his people and kingdom no matter the cost. To him, however flawed it was, there was no other way.
Fun fact, the younger Saurfang's last words where "Enough talk! Let it be finished!" (watch the wrathgate cinematic) He then tries to cut down Arthas just to be killed, hints why he is a raid boss in ICC. In this cutscene Saurfang helps Anduin and says "Let it be finished" right before he rips the sword apart. I thought that was fitting, the Saurfang name finally followed through with the task of defeating the Lich king once and for all.
I still believe Arthas deserved so much more. His reasons were so different from Sylvanas, he tried to save his people and his kingdom by traveling against orders to a strange land to kill a demon, his actions in Stratholme where questionable but he was basically in a panic to save his people and kingdom and wanted to do that by any means necessary. In Northrend he took up the sword and the helm to ultimately save his people and his kingdom, it didn't start until after he took the helm and sword when he was influenced and controlled, then he started forgetting everything else besides building his undead army and domination.
Sylvanas on the other hand, yes she lost everything to the Lich king but even after being freed, at many points her intentions where pure evil, for example the bombing of the Wrathgate, Teldrassil, she bombed a lot more than just the wrathgate too, and her methods changed from just turning people after they died naturally to forcing them into it after purposefully killing them, there is more im not even gonna mention you get the idea.
It bothers me she got the last word to him and not Jaina and Uther. Jaina and Uther where the ones closest to ARTHAS not just the Lich king, they had to walk the road with him and carry the burden and ultimately watch his downfall. Jaina went through how many expansions trying to come to terms with the whole Arthas situation?! They did not even want to give Uther some peace after being angry at Arthas for being his mentee and then killing him? So many teasers in WOTLK about how there was some little speck of Arthas left that stopped the scourge from killing everything in Azeroth (Halls of Reflection), so many teasers that he remembered Jaina and spared her and kept her necklace and for her to blame herself for his downfall in BfA only for Sylvanas to get the last word and for him to just disappear????? Does no one remeber the Mathias Lehner questline in Icecrown???? There are SO MANY unanswered questions about Arthas and his storyline and for this to be the ending to him after Blizzard purposefully said they wouldn't tarnish his name by bringing back all this stuff in Shadowlands is honestly just shameful.
Okay rant over
To answer it simply, Blizzard cannot remember their own lore, nor most of the stuff in Wrath that isn’t the Icecrown Raid itself. Danuser will keep shoving Sylvanus into the spotlight until there isn’t even a modicum of respect left for her, and at the end of the day dust off his hands thinking he wrote a masterwork.
I can almost guarantee that the entire half with Anduin was hastily made to make or cover up Sylv’s already cringe monologue a little less cringe.
Everyone forgetting arthas soul remnants are in the blades of the fallen Prince and what was left from his heart which was destroyed. He essentially became a horcrux being destroyed one piece at a time.
@@RebirthStar well remember everything about the blades of the fallen Prince were drained away in the BFA prepatch.
Hey, you're right...🤔
Edit: the least Sylvanas could do for Arthas is forgive him because she was at the same level as he.
As for Jaina and Uther, they too should have talked to Arthas, at least.
This is so true, I totally agree with you!
Every time we see the last of arthas I always wonder if it will really be the last we see of him
Haha same
hes just that "break in case of emergency" type of character, next time they screw up (which woulnt be long) we will see purgeman again to put under the rug Danuser mistakes.
He is like taniks from destiny
@@jeffreydavidson5161 nah more like Uldren sov, his fate was unknown in TTK but came back just in time to “save destiny” and they have done it again after his “death” by the crow.
@@brunoayala5925 Same case they keep Illidan in!
Say what you want about the plot or this scene as a whole, that Anduin theme when Varian arrives is just awsome
Yeah it just hits so hard chills everytime I am a life long Horde Player Lok Tar Ogar! but Anduin is one of the coolest characters and I am sure we all remember baby Anduin in Stormwind on raids to the city couldnt kill him be he was there! he really is Just and Righteous King the One True King!
I also get chills when Sylvannas speaks to Arthus it hits so hard and feels good almost 20 years now being part of this lore playing hours on end not as many as 15 years ago but still this is one of the best stories ever told in gaming history.
i had chills when music pump up when comes Varian and Saurfang
Anduin-varian and honor part breaking the blade? yeah sign me up!... But the arthas-sylvanas? scrap that level 1000 crap...
@@allucaneet5307do you have brain damage?
This expansion had so much potential.
It's sad to see it end in such an underwhelming fashion.
goes for the whole game, sadly enough.
@@tycho_m I disagree, Not the entire game.
They did Arthas dirty
:((
@@LeystTV an Arthas redemption (I thought uncorrected Arthas would appear with Varian and Saurfang) would've been GODLY
@@jasterloanstar2886 I'd hoped for that ending too where Arthas helps Saurfang and Varian save Anduin at the very least and then says his final words to Jaina, Uther and Sylvanas before going to Revendrath.
"I will never trust her"
"Then trust in me"
"Always"
What the fuck is that writing?
Yes, no point at all. Jaina does not trust Sylvanas for making Anduin into death knight, but trusting Uther that he throw her lover into the MAW, wait does she knows that?
Happens when people take jobs for low pay
Wanna see Saurfang, Varian, and Arthas have a storyline in the Shadowlands? Too bad! They only show up in a cinematic at the end of the expansion!
Wanna see Jaina and Uther say goodbye to Arthas? Too bad! It's all Sylvanas!
"May the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten." Um, I think the fuck not. Is Blizzard really trying to encourage the player base to forget about potentially the most iconic character in all of Warcraft lore?
Organize daily chat spams of "Hail Arthas Menethil" with your guild to own Blizzard.
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 If the next Expansion's any good... I know what my main RP character is doing...
Yep, that's exactly what Woke Blizzard is telling us to do. I say screw them! I am NOT forgetting the most iconic character in all of Warcraft lore just because the PC thugs running Blizzard tell us to!
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Exclusively roll Death Knights until the servers are overpopulated with them
@@girlgarde Woke has lost any and all meaning. It's just bad writing.
-King Menethil: "the moment you were born the very forests of Lorderoan whispered the name, Arthas"
-Sylvanas:"may the last whisper of your name fade"
Wow...
deep
and Terenas still in Torghast
Though this ending stinks, Sylvanas's poetic words don't surprise me as she IS a Elf and they're known to be poetic no matter what type of Elf they are.
Cringe.
You aren't deep Danuser
WHAT!? That can't be it for Arthas.... ffs.
It is :(
Thank God! Overhyped character.
@@laszlosipos8863 nobody is hyping him up to us. He has been one of the most beloved characters in Azeroth since before WOW even came out. The amount of effort that went into telling his story has never been seen since. His raid was amazing, the whole expansion was amazing. If you look at all the big bads since him, Deathwing was lame, and so was his fight, They ruined Garrosh in MOP, in WOD we just refought old bosses, Legion was solid so I'll leave it alone, BFA was just terrible, and Shadowlands was only so-so. So with that logic, if Arthas is overhyped, then the rest of the game must be way overhyped.
@@poopymcpoopface3766 please explain how they ruined Garrosh.
Whoever wrote that last part should have their house burned down.
This cinematic should've been at least 1 minute longer. They should've also used the Arthas model that they used in the BFA cinematic when Katherine was searching for Jaina in Thros. I mean, why did the made that high-res model if they were only going to use it for like 10 seconds? He should've had his final farewell with both Jaina and Uther instead of Sylvanas flaming his soul and basically telling him to get the fk out. Arthas' story is definitely one of the saddest lorewise and his fate in SL just made it even sadder.
See, is it though? I really can't pretend that Arthas was entirely a victim of the helm. I mean, remember, he was doing all of the wrong things before he even touched Frostmourne. He was seduced by the power of the blade in order to kill a dreadlord and save his people. He gave in willingly. The sword and helm, I believe, just amplified the worst qualities of Arthas.
But, Jaina already had her closure. She didn't need to speak anymore on or to him. Uther was more shocked, since the torment that killed him also imprisoned someone else, and his guilt is more prevalent there. Syvlanas was the only one with a clear-ish head
For me i would rather have Arthas a chance of redemption, even if it would never be 'seen' in players time of 'wow' storyline I mean they gave it to 2 bastard elven leaders, 1 of former undead the other before becoming a demon lover... But not to a guy who sold his soul really and only ever wanted to save what he could of his people and kill off the 'main' murderer? Sell his own hide and sure sure he'd go for that i understand it... The other ones was like 1 sell them to demons for power sure I take it! and the other was like be a bitch queen and then 'sell' them to jailer asshole yeah why not?... Arthas was better in life and probably even death than either of them and he gets to die off? fck off fake wow shit or whatever it is now.
@@StevenWauford no, he didnt know the Real power of Frostmourne, After Taken the Sword he Lost all will and self control. He didnt have the ability of making a choice😢😢
@@StevenWauford clearly you did not pay attention to the game(s). he basically lost control of his mind after picking up Frostmourne as indicated by the cutscene after killing Mal'ganis. Even when he wore the crown he got right-click+cutted to a tiny corner by Nerhzul as indicated multiple times throughout the *Game*. But Christie Golden the star wars writer decided to retcon a lot of things in her shitty novel, including anakinizing arthas and making him the person inside the lich king lusting for power and wanting to kill everyone.
Not only he got duped in the fantasy game, he also got duped in the real world, real tragic lmao
@@salehryan2906 So, neither of you listened to what I said either, or play the games at all, especially Warcraft 3. Sure, he lost his mind after he grabbed Frostmourne. I never questioned that. But he was angered at Mal'ganis and Kel'thuzad to the point where his actions made Uther question Arthas' own power as a Paladin. That was in WC3, so even without Christie Golden's book, that's still truth. Frostmourne seduced him, yes, because at that point, he lusted for whatever power he could use to save his people. Great intentions, but bad idea, therefore, not entirely a victim
Everytime I watch this and Varian leads with "My son". Goosebumps...awesome
I loved those 2 but it got worse after that
So let me get this right, Arthas was always under the influence of the Jailer just like Sylvanus. (He was basically tricked in to finding Frostmourne)
Yet Sylvanus comes out with a redemption arc and Arthas must have the memory of his existence erased and soul unmade?
What atrocities did Arthas commit that were so much worse than Sylvanus burning down Teldrassil?
Stratholme? Where the entire population had already been infected and were to be turned to zombies by Mal Ganis? Someone help me out here.
"Father is it over?"
"At long last."
Was this just story filler fluff? Because apparently, "No, it's not over, you must have your very memory and soul erased."
This along with all of the Shadowlands expansion was a disappointment.
he did kill everyone in lordaeron
@@clubpenguinfan1235 Under the influence of the Sword and therefore the jailer, just like Sylvanus was when she burned down Teldrassil.
"Her war crimes, repugnant even to other Horde members and to an embattled world, were already apparent before the advent of the Lich King. Sylvanas maintained extensive slave pens in Undercity where captives from all of Lordaeron were brought to be tortured, vivisected and experimented on, an action Thrall's knowledge would likely result in the Forsaken's expulsion from the Horde, if not outright destruction. Her methods of using human, dwarf and even orcish captives as experimental subjects for her plagues, as well as usage of plague on several cities are an often overlooked/ignored aspect of her due to her popularity by fans regarding her villainousness.
More recently, Sylvanas launched a genocidal attack on the Night Elf homes of Teldrassil and Darnassus, completely destroying both and killing any who did not escape in time. This atrocity against her own race of origin provoked a new wave of Alliance-Horde hatred and violence, sending Azeroth into bloody warfare once again."
I'm just trying to say that neither was better or worse than the other. The story writing was lazy and their fetish for Sylvanus destroyed what could have been an amazing redemption arc for the most legendary character in WoW history, Arthas Menethil. They specifically want Arthas to be wiped from history so Sylvanus can take his place. They failed and instead they are just going to hemorrhage more and more of their dwindling fan base.
This indeed is the worst ending we could ever witness for him. So much for bringing in the hype by teasing him in bastion promo video, simply to draw his fanbase in game...
MAkes me glad I didn't buy Shadowlands.
I mean Sylvanas was WARchief and at war against alliance for a while now, ("bUt TeLdRaSsiL hAd onLy ciViLiAns", who the fuck belived that?XD it was as guarded as any other city, it had it own fleet and army etc.)
Btw, killing civilians is a war crime because of Geneva Convention, can't recall any treaties in Warcraft that say what is right or wrong at war.
On the other hand Arthas was a paladin and a protector of his people, but he decided if a part of population is corrupted he must slaughter all of his subjects.
Tell me you don't see the difference now
You know what, this would actually be pretty decent if the lead-up to it was done well and the story wasn't so strangely underwhelming otherwise. What a shame.
Was it really THAT underwhelming or did you just get caught on the hype train of hate
@@craighunter9066 it was god awful.
@@flameknightdragon it’s legit no worse than any of the rest of the story telling in wow History
Uther's expression at 3:40 is the same as every disappointed wow player who thought we'd get to see Arthas again.
Yeah lets bring back another lore character and rehash his story and retcon his death just so people can complain about that aswell
@@plummet3860 well if you build up his return as hype prior to the games release only to have said character's appearance in the game to not have any real impact or importance you've retroactively destroyed the character's story arc.
@@nikopawlowic6557 yeah exactly. Teasing him only to draw his fanbase back to game was a really cheap move done by Blizz. Disgraceful... X(
This cinematic could’ve been absolutely amazing, but they dropped the ball right at the last second.
The music was brilliant - Anduin’s theme into Saurfang’s theme, into Arthas, My Son into Lament of the Highbourne. Varian and Saurfang’s brief return. All great.
And then Arthas’ legacy just desecrated. This is Last Jedi/Luke Skywalker level of treatment to one of, if not the most iconic Warcraft characters. How anyone thought this was a good idea is beyond me.
Agreed completely
The Arthas storyline is the most basic and overused storyline in the world. There's nothing special about that character. If anything his entire character development is shallow. Have you even played WC3? Read the book? Stop portraying him as something special.
@@WowMortenz you sir are wrong and your opinion does not matter
So how was it supposed to be written? Everyone complains but nobody offers story ideas. Let's hear your grand tale
@@Geeserunner I mean, his story was concluded at the end of WC3 Frozen Throne and then Wrath of the Lich King.
Then they bring his character back from the grave and use him as some kind of plot device? It's disgraceful.
Good lord that’s how they handle Arthas, and now Windrunner is a hero. What a nightmare this lore team is
This is the best ending that Arthas could of had, what did you actually wanted them to do? Bring him back? his story is completed
I have to agree. It really is the best ending he could have gotten
Well Arthas certainly isn’t a hero either.
@@welmox2.0 I agree. If they brought him back it would have been much worse imo. But at the end of the day, WoW players are going to whine, no matter what happens.
Tbf heres the difference
Arthas was a monster before he ever took up frostmourne.
Sure, culling of stratholme was a screwed up no win scenario
But then he tricked his men into coming to northrend
And then he burned his ships and lied to his men and murdered the mercenaries he paid and ordered to burn the ships
Arthas did many more horrible things after taking up frostmourne
But never forget all the crimes he committed before it was ever in his sight
Of course they held off on Varian till the very end, we should probably have seen that one coming XD
I wonder if both souls were put in there along with arthas a mourne blade can hold many souls
varias was oblitarated by the fel, how do he kept his soul??
@@palasypalas7726 Varian was still heavily armored to the teeth!! Gul'dan never specced into Armor-Penetration?
As long as we live, Arthas will live through us. No king rules forever, but his legacy is eternal.
🙌🙌🙌
He was a dick with lust for strength and power, killed thousands for nothing, including family and friends. Do not tell he wanted to protect his people. In the end he protected no one, he betrayed everyone. Blue fart got exactly what he deserved. This is almost perfect cinematic.
@@Kelerion Go to comment somewhere else broken condom.You weren't planed when we played WC3 and dare to write.
@@Kelerion classic cucky copium from a silvAnus simp
@@Kelerion he basically lost control of his mind after picking up Frostmourne as indicated by the cutscene after killing Mal'ganis. Even when he wore the crown he got right-click+cutted to a tiny corner by Nerhzul as indicated multiple times throughout the *Game*. But Christie Golden the star wars writer decided to retcon a lot of things in her shitty, including anakinizing arthas and making him the person inside the lich king lusting for power and wanting to kill everyone.
Not only he got duped in the fantasy game, he also got duped in the real world, real tragic lmao
An Icon of Warcraft.
One of the best fallen hero stories ever written.
Arthas/Lich King name that almost every gamer knows, in the end reduced to a bad guy that needs to be forgotten.....
Guldan is just as big an Icon and nobody cried foul when his arc ended. Arthas' arc ended in WotLK. Time to let the guy just be dead.
@@bossvoodoo5454 first one is wrong Guldan is nothing compared to Arthas and Illidan in popularity. Second, exactly it ended in Wotlk then why they brought him back to reduce everything that we knew about him from games and books to just...This... It was better to keep him dead and out of "radar"
plus Guldan was just pure evil wanting power and working for Sargeras when Arthas was depressed controlled betrayed AND we played all of this in warcraft3 ppl felt pity for him that where "foul cires" come from
I just have to say , yeah they shit on one of the best character villains they had.
@@bossvoodoo5454 Gul'dan was liked more because he was a smirking asshole who needed to get his face punched in. He's like Erebus. We love to hate him.
Ok first half of the cinematic is amazing. The last half makes me want to quit wow and never look back, Arthas was the freaking reason i get into warcraft AND THEY DO HIM THAT DIRTY?! Like f**ck right off
Wow lore is alrdy fu.cked up. They have no idea about their characters. They resurrected selfish illidan many times. But about arthas. All the shit happened to the belived prince who sacrifice everything to save his ppl. Jailor manipulate his fate and whiteout any chance of redemption they remived him from the galaxy.
Same thought brooo...fck Blizzard litteraly deleted arthas like wtf arthas is a big character in wow like he is the reason I play wow... And follow the lore
Having Arthas come back would open up a can of worms that will make the story even more convoluted. Though I too was excited to see him, in retrospect, having him disappear in oblivion would suit his situation best. Those who think he's innocent due to lack of free will would argue that he needs to be redeemed, but pre-frostmourne Arthas did kill all those people in Stratholme. Those who think he's guilty would say he needs to atone for his sins, but that wouldn't make any sense since he's already in the Maw which is sort of the worst circumstance he could ever be in.
@@nutterbipple Personally i also wouldn't want him back so they could ruin his lore but after all the teasing at least give him a proper send off ffs, but no we get a tiny wisp and "you're forgotten lmao"
I am so sorry you still playing man. So Sorry. R.I.P
Imagine having Jaina and Uther there to say some last words to Arthas, and then this insignificant smudge in his story Sylvanas gets to talk to him lmao
Ah, I see.
Before 9.2, Anduin simply did not wish to be free hard enough.
Every man for himself was on cooldown
He had help, the two souls might have actually been there helping as it shows
@@timar6868 Could have showed up earlier.
Also, can I just add that the finality of the phrase "Let it be finished" here at the moment when the force responsible for the death of saurfang and his son, who both uttered the same phrase before this same power ended their lives, is overcome by Anduin is just pure *chef's kiss*
Arthas: Hey why does Ner'zhul get a pass while I don't?
What the actual FUCK was that dialogue??
YESSSS!!! VARIAN CAME BACK!!! I mean he didn’t like come back but still awesome.
Argh! That was more like a fever dream than him actually returning, since his soul is nowhere to be found.
It was supposedly destroyed by guldan in the broken shore cinematic.
@@Cook-by-the-book yeh but still it’s better than nothing at this point. I wanted him to come back and fight the jailor like him and Anduin team up. But I guess not
The whole "Be forgotten" part i personally explain myself as Arthas being universally hated by everyone for all the damage he brought to the world except for very few that knew in detail who he was and how he became the monster. The only way what is left of him to find peace is with the world forgetting he ever existed.
He will NEVER Be forgotten. FOR THE LİCH KİNG!!!!
Heroes never die
Wotlk’dan bu zamana kadar bir DK oyuncusu olarak, evet, asla unutulmayacak!
Itching for Lichking
there is only one true king
And who is the bitch queen? oh right she was sent of to maw nvm her! the bitch elven king what happens to him SL trapped or?... Sad Arthas doesn get more screens or even better ending I mean at least a real farwell of some kind would have been nice... Hell if he had 'helped' Anduin to break free of the jailers grasp with his own death just that would been enough compared to the SL crap fcking worthless expansion...
The crime wasn't that Sylvanas got the monologue, but that they didn't prepare for it in the right way. She represents the entire people abused and ruined by his choice... but they didn't lay the groundwork to explain that nearly enough. Jaina found her closure in BFA, Uther found his closure last patch... but because of the catastrophe of Sylvanas's arc, we don't feel like she needed that closure, when the OG Sylv would have.
I miss deathwing and kiljaeden :( those guys were REAL bosses.
Arthas' will remain with us long after your bones have crumbled to dust, Sylvanas. Sad that blizzard will never be as good as the old wc3 days
lol awwwww you gonna cry lil baby
ok
You lied to your men and betrayed the mercenaries that fought for you. What's happening to you, Arthas? Is vengeance all that's important?
@@trundelbum copium for your undead elf
Absolutely shocked. I haven’t played since mists of pandaria since I found that boring. But along the way I’ve kept up with the lore. And I was really keen to be able to start playing again but on my Xbox… until I seen this cinematic. I can’t see any reason as to why I would want to come back now. This is a huge spit on the face to all wow players. So angry with blizzard cannot believe what they have done.
They want a new chapter i assume 😄
What they've done to Arthas, ensures i'll never forget his name. He deserved a redemption, not ... this...
For them to so casually throw away the most iconic character of the Warcraft universe is tantamount to treason. I briefly played early BfA after a hiatus from early WoD, and though i considered coming back for SL, i am glad i didn't.
Despite how bad Shadowlands and the lore was, I really do think this cinematic is really good. Mainly because of Varian, but it's still really good!
same especially anything relating to arthas too
Blizzard's raging boner for Sylvanas just destroys everything...
Arthas was the best part of WoW. The Wisp = The end of WoW that went out like a whipper.
I think this has been the first time Anduin has been seen holding/breaking apart Shalamayne as two swords?
As far as I remember
Can someone explain to me how the sword works? I mean when and who can split it? How will it become one again?
Edit: BTW blizzard, give us an arms warrior skill when we can split our main weapon and hit hard with them. Would be awesome
@@WolfCharge Shalamayne was forged by two different sword, Shalla'tor and Ellemayne. Varian held Shalla'tor and Lo'Gosh (Varian's split personality) held Ellemayne. Onyxia during the battle with them accidentally fused the them into one, making Varian and Lo'Gosh the same person again, and Shalamayne was born with Varian's and Lo'Gosh's combined soul glowing in the middle.
@@xeronylloyd21 thanks for that, but the question remains :) who and how can split it? :)
@@WolfCharge Wild guess but anyone with a Valorous soul. Like Saurfang did
I started to play Warcraft 3 at 15 years old, Arthas was my favorite, I've always played Paladin in WoW because of him. Now i have 32, it is so hard to see Arthas disappear for ever, a part of my childhood is gone with him :(
same. it's really disheartening how they ended his story.
I started to play wc3 when i was 4 and i still haven't realize this franchise/universe was dead After TXT came out.
I can get people being mad expecting Arthas in the "flesh" but the thing is *Arthas had his ending. This cutscene is not about him.* It's about the impact that was left behind, and the people that were shaped in that wake, _for better or for worse._ I think to a wake held after a funeral. You might speak at it about a person, but they're not really there. Not really. Not anymore.
They retconned Arthas Menetihil’s ending at the end of Wrath in the service of propping up the worst villain of all time.
Blizzard traded “I see only darkness for me” for “Hi kids, my name’s Mr. Nipples!
The name of Arthas Menethil will never be forgotten, unlike yours, the dead huntress, killer and destroyer. Arthas tried to save everyone by sacrificing himself, and you're just a pawn in the wrong place at the wrong time. Silvana, you're nothing.
This does make me sad. Not the ending itself, but how we got NOTHING from Arthas until the end in which we only get to see a flicker of his soul. It's just so damn disappointing, especially for me who started playing during Wrath. Arthas has always been the golden standard for a character in WoW.
Thank you Blizzard for continuing the general vibe of absolute disappointment in Shadowlands.
Landscape: Boring.
Villains: Idiotic AF
Story: See above
And now you give us the end to one of the most beloved, feared, powerful and interesting Characters in the history of gaming I might say, in the form of a blue gas cloud.
All that was missing, was the fart noise when he faded.
Start of shadowlands: Arthas is coming back! Hes here I can feel it!!!
March 2022: Erm.... well, we werent wrong 😂😂😂
Three things:
1. Anduin was saved by the Power of Love. And Plot Contrivance.
2. Sylvannas almost sounded compassionate when she was talking about Arthas.
3. Wait, if that's the last of Arthas' soul, wtf happened to the part of him cast into the Maw?
Argh! Uther says his soul was used by the jailor’s soul forges, which means his soul was used to forge and power kingsmourne, but since the blade was separated, it released what little was left of arthas soul, only to it fade away and finally confirm he is 100% dead and never returning again.
Yeah I hate shadowlands as whole now, arthas was the last bit of interest I had left, thinking we would at least see him get a proper sendoff, but this is what we get from the brilliant mind of Steve danuser, the biggest sylvanas simp.
She got a big missing chunk of her soul back. It made a difference.
I'm amazed that even as a ball of light, Arthas still had more character than Sylv
Felt like I was watching bad fanfiction.
man anduin being the new lich king and taking he's seat at ice crown citadel would have been some epic shit, it fits him well.
"there must alway's be a lich king" means nothing now.... they destroyed the soul reason i started playing wow for.
Boo hoo!😤
If only Metzen had been brought back sooner and given oversight of the story like he is now. I 100% know he would not have allowed Arthas to be done like this. This REEKED of steve danuser. He wanted to basically use Shadowlands as a way to gut and toss out the legacy and characters of the past he didn't want to bring forward into his shit story going forward. He didn't either know or care to do it properly either. Instead of a satisfying send off even if it did basically close the door forever on Arthas he just decided to stand right over fans and take a big ole shit all over the lore and fan support to see arthas one last time.
Thankfully his ass was basically depowered by the end of SL and by mid DF gone.
I had chills seeing varian again & even saurfang 🥺, but seeing a "bread crumb" of arthas for a few seconds without a word then vanishing .... was THAT it??? 🤦♂️
Still kinda funny to make Arthas's end about Sylvanas having some lame monologue when to him she was truly nothing more than a pawn.
I'm so disappointed that Jaina, Arthas' lover, didn't even get to say her "final" goodbyes to the last piece of Arthas' soul and Sylvanas hogs the spotlight for her stupid fucking redemption arc.
This video was like a fuck you to all Warcraft fans. Thank you Blizzard
I do love how Blizzard STILL evades having to justify The culling of Stratholme, since the rest of Arthas' crimes are all now "domination magic" coercion.
I agree, it seems impossible to put an end to that debate, so let's just elf whisp this mofo away from trial and judgment with an edgy epitaph. SMH.
Though the whole scene is nicely written, and Varian's memory "Forged by Valor" is nothing less than EPIC, the CORE issues remain undelivered.
Also, WHY IS JAINA NOT CRYING ICECUBES in this scene?
I mean, he has been dead for a decade now and wasnt himself for a much longer time. Even for Jaina there is not much left to cry over.
There is nothing left to justify of Stratholme
Arthas has been dead for years. Jaina's not the stereotypical trope of a female character that she is back in WC3, she had time to grow and mature. She knew Arthas more than anyone and condemns what he had done. Having her weep like a btch would erase every single character development she had since wotlk.
Though I admit the crimes of pre-frostmourne Arthas is still a gray area, you can't really blame someone for doing something without his/her free will. Having Arthas come back and atone for his sins is so cliche & will make his eventual exit even more troublesome to deal with. He has been exploited in life, exploiting him further in death doesn't sound good. Oblivion could possibly be the only way for him; his soul dying without a chance of living another life in the Shadowlands.
I'm not a arthas fan boy but he didn't do anything wrong by killing people who was gonna die anyway and go on to kill much more. Hard choice but not evil
I mean Blizzard doesn't justify Stratholme at all despite that fact it easily could (plague they barely understand that can turn people quickly into the undead plus it happening in a city creates a gigantic mess) given all the times they view it as bad.
Pretty sure most of Arthas' Crimes comes under "domination magic" given even in W3 he changes quite a bit after taking up Frostmourne.
feel like anduin is the only character who had a satisfying arc in the past few expansions
WotLk was the best expansion, so much fun, so accessible, so many friends playing - oh well, been 4 years since I left, just came here out of curiosity to see what they did to Arthas....sad.
bye
@@WhiteUnicorn72 bye your arse? I left 4 years ago
@@WhiteUnicorn72 more copium son
Sylvana talking about judgment make me wanna puke on blizzards banners
Arthas legacy is more eternal than that of anything happened in WoW after WOTLK
Jaina: Sounds angry, upset, hates Sylvanas's guts. (rightfully so)
Uther: Trust me brodette.
Jaina: *oKaY*
Always though slyvannas would know about Arthur's soul been in the sword. She always hated him and would be a good way the jailer to please her and get her to his bidding more
Still cant believe they turned Arthas into a fuckin fart.
I absolutely love how "Arthas, my son" turns into 'Lament of the Highborne" as Sylvanas talks about becoming Arthas
I laughed so hard at this. I am not apologizing. As soon as Anduin said, "Arthas?" it was laugh freakin city.
Who is here after War Within trailer? xD
I was expecting the cinematic to be as bad as the expac and be like this:
Anduin fights his new true nature while Sylvanas knee-slides up to him, yelling, “Nooooooo!” Seeing her, he morphs into blue!Arthas but becomes penitent and the two of them skip off into Stormwind together to rules the Alliance as heroes (and her chest size increases to rival Calia’s, so you know they’re going to fight someday). This leaves Tyrande to be angry-woman all over again and go on to form the next big-bad combo by leaping back through the hole from SL to Azeroth, yanking the sword out of Silithus and gathering all the villains of the past into the SuperFriends of baddies. The baddies will include such notable characters as Magni, the ghost of Cairne, a named Orc (doesn’t matter which, pick one) and Bolvar’s daughter. And they will repeatedly refer to her as “Bolvar’s daughter.”
So it’s better than that hot mess. But what we could have gotten:
Anduin struggles as Baine runs to his aid, but is strengthened by the ghost of BOTH his parents - you know, including his mom who can only be mentioned if we’re naming ships 'Tiffin.' He comes to his senses. There’s our Alliance and Horde representation - there’s no need for Saurfang to show up out of nowhere for no reason. Then as Arthas’ soul leaves, it actually looks like him, and the 3 other people who are important in this scene, Uther, Sylvanas and Jaina all get a chance to converse with him. Arthas and Sylvanas each take blame for their parts; Jaina and Uther express their sorrow at how things have turned out. Arthas and Sylvanas realize they share a similar fate based on their actions and leave to atone (see them in 3 expacs). Jaina cries and Uther turns away but it’s clear he’s tearing up as well. Kudos to the writing team if they can use dialogue callbacks in the scene. Cue dramatic music.
welp they did Arthas dirty - blizz knew how much we wanted to to see him redeemed yet they did a big Fuck you to us all.
Arthas ain't a saint lol, he killed everyone in Stratholme and left his comrades to die in Northrend. And that's pre-frostmourne/helm of domination.
He's already in the Maw, an iescapable hellhole for all of eternity. How can you justify having him stick around when he's supposed to be atoning for his sins.
@@nutterbipple Revendreth could have taken him in and forced him to find and save every single soul he condemned to the Maw with Frostmourne. Shackle him to Sylvanas too while they're at it. Instead, we got this...
@@nutterbipple Def not a saint - but were his Crimes worse than Sylvanas? Was Stratholme worse than burning down the tree murdering countless lives? My issue primarily with the cinematic is when she says "your legacy is at an end, begone then Arthas, may the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten" To me - that sounds like Blizzard is telling us "fuck you - we are killing him forever, deal with it". Sylvannus never should have been redeemed if they were not willing to offer the same chance for Arthas.
Aside from Sylvannas having the last words, this ending was actually perfect for Arthas in Shadowlands. Arthas' life and his death on ICC was already tragic. Given what we know his fate was after death and the incredible torture he must have endured until his soul was reduced to just a dim ball of light made it even more tragic. He was broken down so bad that he couldn't even talk. He couldn't even say goodbye. He didn't even have what every other character in Shadowlands still had: a soul. That's how much he was tortured. What an incredible fall from such high heights. There isn't another character in WoW who suffered more than Arthas and this cinematic clearly shows that in such a sad way.
So glad to see this comment. I feel like everyone has completely missed the point of his entire story. Arthas' story was always a classic tragedy. He tried to do the right thing at first, but his own actions took him so far off that path that he willingly became one of the most evil characters in the world.
His power made people build him up to be some mythical juggernaut, but he was always that same confused, pissed off kid. By the end of Wrath he was only 31. And when he died, his death showed him for what he is: just a decently strong paladin who happened to pick up a mega-powerful sword that drove him completely nuts with power and rage. Just look at the fight: he's crazy strong, shrugs off everything you throw at him, one shots the entire raid, and then goes down in 5 seconds once Frostmourne gets broken.
Then this ending happens. After all that's happened to him and all that he did, in the end he's just dust. He wasn't mythical. He was just a soul to be torn apart in Torghast like everyone else, and he fades away like so many of the other spirits he tore apart personally.
It's the ending he deserved. People need to stop worshipping him like he's some paragon that just got a bad deal. He made his own bed, and he gets to sleep in it. It's tragic and sad, but it's absolutely fitting.
Bro the moment Arthas soul vanished i felt my heart crushed.
Same here and I also cried foul as it means that Arthas will never get to be with his father and all those he knew in life because he ceases to exist. Of course, Blizzard would likely find a way to bring him back if they REALLY wanted to do so.
@@girlgarde Well they created a realm to bring back Uther, and they made time travel to bring back Grom and Gul'dan at it's time, why not with Arthas at some point?.
@@parkouremaster don't hope on it. cuz if they do, that will be another attempt at luring his fanbase to back to game, just like how they did with the bastion promo prior to SL release.
“ my son “
I get chills from the Lich king
its almost 20 years of my life .... how can we forget arthas
since I was 13 until now ....
unforgotten moments:
illdan becomes metamorph
arthas defeats illidan
NOW WE ARE ONE
illidan's back
U SHALL BE KING
mannoroth : whaa .. what is this ... guldan , what have you done
archimonde death
illidan returns again
and now ... arthas is gone
As someone, who never had father, Varian speaking to Anduin makes me cry.
Normal people: sleeping in 1:35h (am)
Me: :'( ehh.. Arthas, you will never be forgotten. R.I.P :'(
Blizz: "Sylvanas good, Arthas bad"
Sylvanas bad, Arthas also bad.
but arthas is still good after he was freed from frostmourne and helm of domination and also his death.
I actually teared up a bit when Anduin's father appeared but I teared more when Arthurs soul faded
The thing I only like is how Sylvanas isn’t trying to redeem herself, but instead owning up to the horrific things she did and accepting she is in fact as horrible as Arthas, even worse.
BULLSHIT, sorry sneezed there Im allergic to complete bullshit and lies, Arthas was never horrible, Sylvanas did what she did out of petty spite towards the living for something she could no longer have, Arthas was MC'd and forced to slaughter everyone he's ever loved and known, Arthas is a hero, Sylvanas is a one not one dimensional petty villain who should have died off years ago.
This would've been better if Arthas' (good guy) spirit showed up and had a final staredown with every character... and then having a word of guidance towards Anduin, a final goodbye to Jaina and an apology to Uther and Sylvanas for his acts.
ABSO FUCKING LUTELY. What was the point in updating his model if only to use it for ONE scene in the previous expansion?
Why do so many people want a good ending for the evil boy but are mad when they give the good ending to the evil lady?
Both deserve to be tortured until they wither away as wisps, the only reason this cinematic sucked is because the evil lady isn't disappearing too.
@@JoshJohnson-br1ts I think it's because the Evil boy wasn't judged properly and has had a lot more of an impact with players. Not to mention that arguments can be made that he only did what was right.
It's that favoritism for a character nobody really likes who is shielded from any and all badmouthing by the Devs. She gets basically nothing compared to Arthas.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Arthas is the lich king, man. Sure, he did what he thought he needed to in Strat.. the rest is pure evil garbage (and before you try, no, he wasn't possessed, he was convinced to do those things)
I wrote college papers about Arthas' innocence, I still know better than that
@@JoshJohnson-br1ts True, he did awful things in Northrend, that is undeniable, but most people seem to think he was an awful brat who did nothing but whine and complain.
Doing this to arthas was blizzard's biggest f*ck you to the fans ever
Alliance will always have the best stories and cinematics 💞