3:53 as an owner of a ps5, the meme of it having no games is funny because it is true and pisses people off. Cause even when it does get a game, they're movies with button mashing
The ps5 indeed didn't see a price drop, for the first time in human history, a gaming console has become more expensive years after it released... Let that sink in.
It see a price hike recently ... With so little games that PS5 have there are no real justification to have PS5 Pro. Also journalists nowdays has no respect from me.
If your PC is so much better than a console, why do you have to beg for our games? Sony doesn’t owe you Bloodborne. If your platform is truly superior, just keep playing Dota 2 and CS:GO. Maybe focus on those endless mods and upgrades instead of coveting what we have.
@@Hono1256searching for a PC begger is like fishing for a tractor. It's ridiculous and unlikely. We don't beg, we own 🤷🏿♂️💪🏿 But fun, a troll! Look everyone, a lowlife who thinks his opinions matter! Point and laugh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Comparison by PC Jesus himself: "Nobody should be under the illusion the PS5 is a top tier gaming machine because that is just not true. It is an affordable living room box. It is equivalent in gaming performance to mid to high end PC from around 5 years ago. That is where this thing is." - Steve, Gamer's Nexus
Not this nonsense, again. Didn't it already leak that the PS5 pro will have the same APU as the PS5? That leaves firmware tweaks and some hardware acceleration.
The leaks actually show it will have a bump in GPU performance. The PS5 has 36 active CUs whereas the leaks says 60 active CUs which is equivalent to the 7800 XT. It's the CPU that isn't getting much of a bump.
It's already bottlenecked so that extra 10% if CPU power will equate to about 10% more performance. The PS5Pro is a junk upgrade if you don't upgrade your CPU
I'm still on PS4. Ain't no way I was gonna spend $2000usd ona console...AND wait 8-10 months! Lol Once I looked at the PS5 stats being so lackluster, I finally built a PC.
It's not surprising I already have Sony fanboys telling me the current PS5 is faster than anything on PC. But they basically have RX 6700 non-XT in a very cooling and power-limited scenario. So the PS5 is midrange at best. PS5 Pro will be similar to a 7800 XT again not close to a 4090 in any capacity.
The leaks indicate nothing close to a 7800 XT. It's rumored to have peak performance at 33tflops. The 7800XT is 37tflops so around 11% faster. Even the 7700XT is slightly faster, so if the leaks end up being true, it will be slower than a $400ish card.
How much spiked pony ski slopes do these people inhale they think an invisible console is stronger than current PC hardware to date?! Absolutely mental. Also fun fact that a PS5 in Austrailia is 749 bucks without tax and that doesn't even include accessories will more expensive than that budget build PC. Oh and your PS5 will still get cooked by it lol.
This video did not age well now we actually saw the tech demo for the Pro 😂 ($700 for a console still TARGETING 60fps which barely any graphical boosts)
I remember when Sony was hyping up their PS3 by saying that their "Emotion Engine" was powerful enough to put both Intel and AMD out of business in the PC market. Prior to that, they claimed that their PS2 was powerful enough to simultaneously display 75,000,000 polygons, even though it's maximum 1920*1080 output was 2,073,600 pixels. Sony's history is littered with these sorts of statements about their consoles, and some people are either too ignorant or too foolish to realize it. There's always too many good games for me to play on platforms I own to support a company which thinks so little about video game players.
eh... number of polygons rendered vs pixels output isn't really a good comparison. polygons rendered and processed determine how detailed the shape of game models can be. has nothing to do with how the picture is presented on the the screen by pixel count. pixel count determines how detailed the skins of the models can be. completely different.
@@aarlavaan 75 million polygons on screen at a time is still a grossly inaccurate and dishonest statement for Sony to have made about their PlayStation 2 though. Those detailed skins on the PS2 were simply texture maps, just like what was used by programmers for the original Xbox and the Xbox 360. Sony also claimed that the PlayStation 2 could create the same level of computer graphics used in Hollywood blockbusters in real time, even though the million dollar Silicon Graphics workstations used by Hollywood for those movies couldn't do it in real time. Again, Sony hyped their unreleased and upcoming hardware with claims which were an insult to anyone who understood computer graphics, as well as to anyone who spent a few moments running Sony's claims through the filter of common sense. So my original point still stands.
@@hidarimak again, you are conflating the texture maps with the polygon count. Those are two different things. The texture maps will look more or less detailed or nice based on the pixel count of the output, and the pixel density and size of the screen the lower the oven count the more image fidelity is lost. But it has nothing to do with polygon count. At all. The polygon count determines how smooth or detailed the models UNDERNEATH those texture maps are. Want to make a rock more bumpy, smooth, or jagged? It needs more polygons. Want to make a circle more round? Needs more polygons. the average ps2 game shows on screen between 16 and 50 MILLION polygons at any given time. So saying the console could handle up to 75 million isn't unreasonable. As for the claims of Hollywood movies... I would want to see a source. And depending on if they were talking about ore rendered cinematics or game play. Because those are handled in different ways. Remember, your Blu-ray player doesn't have a gpu in it, but displays crisp 4k images just fine. It's merely reading the info rather than calculating it. They being said, yes, all companies hype up their products to be better then they really are. The Xbox One was powerful enough to display all of observable space. Did it mean anything? Not really. But it sounds cool.
@@aarlavaan Again, saying that any PS2 game was throwing around 75 million polygons per second in game at a time is dishonest. There are multiple games and gaming engines which have been promoted by the inclusion of how many polygons were being handled per frame or per second, which is one way to gauge the accuracy of Sony's statement. Compare the promoted specs of other rendering hardware of its time such as the GeForce 3, and see how the best PS2 games compare in performance. Various sources I've checked have stated that the PS2 could handle up to 66 million polygons if it's just displaying polygons, but in game it's limited to 5-6 million polygons per second. I did see one source (Unity Forum) state that the PS2 could handle up to 20 million polygons at a time though. Sony stated that the performance gap between the PS1 and the Dreamcast would be as great as the performance gap between the Dreamcast and the PS2. But what the PS2 delivered during the first two years on the market was pretty much on par with what the Dreamcast did during its own first two years. So, again, over-hype. As to the statement of the PS2 producing Hollywood level CG in real time, it was from various interviews conducted by the print gaming mags of the time, back when online console gaming news wasn't the main attraction like it is today. This was prior to the launch of the console itself though. And as to your example, Blu-ray players are said to play various quality videos (4k/60, HDR10, etc). I have yet to see a player promoted as creating the world that you see in the videos though.
The RTX 3060 can out perform a PS5... and the GPU isn't the only piece of hardware in a PC anyway. As usual, CPU's hold back a lot of current gen games, and even these "budget PC's" will often have superior CPU's & more RAM than a PS5. Edit: And you mentioned that, awesome! 😁
If your PC is so much better than the console why do have to beg for our games. Sony doesn’t owe you Bloodborne. If your platform is so much better just keep playing that Dota 2 and CSgo
nobody actually believes that their consoles are better than pcs, they say that because people are stupid enough to get angry at it and then they get views. these “sony fanboys” yall be talking about don’t exist. actual fans of the consoles recognize they are entirely different from pc’s in every way.
"GTA 6 will make PS5/PS5 Pro the best selling console of all time!" I like how Sony fans have co-opted GTA 6 into the Playstation brand & are preemptively attaching it to their console as if it were some exclusive. They tried this with Baldur's Gate 3, only after they started seeing the great reviews & tons of attention it was getting, even though it wasn't even on the console yet. Then when it actually came out on PS5, they were ready to move on to Spider-Man 2 anyway & BG3 already served its fanboy purpose of putting down Starfield. Now they're doing it again with GTA 6 to preemptively attack PC & Xbox by tying it to PS5 Pro... It's so annoying & disingenuous.
Pretty obvious why. Because you can have a good time still playing on your PS4 and many of the titles released on PS5 got PS4 versions and most third party titles still get PS4 versions so the PS4 users don't feel they need to upgrade to not lose out that much yet. On top of that console gamers are sensitive to paying. They like milking what they got before throwing cash for new hardware. They only do it when they feel that what they got is now too old and irrelevant which the PS4 still isn't. Especially the users that bought a PS4 Pro bought a console not that long ago that still does 4K upscaled so it was too fast to jump on a PS5 and they probably rather wait for a PS5 Pro and more rich game library when more games not on PS4 drop. Other than that there are other factors like covid making many normal console buyers not able to buy a PS5 the first 2-3 years. And if you didn't buy one at that time then you think: "Why buy one now and not wait for a discount or a PS5 Pro?". Not being able to buy the newer consoles also made most developers make versions of their games play on older consoles and that made the new for the new hardware feels less urgent as well.
not to mention that higher "graphical" settings are sometimes horrible. I just started Doom (2016) and I NEVER get motion sick in games. I NEVER have a hard time following whats happening ingame, but i had to turn some of the garbage settings (like motion blur) down/off and that shit helped SO much.
Ive read it comes out holiday 2024 but ive also heard something about a chip going into tvs that will allow people to play video games with out a console or.pc but idk
So they say the PS5 pro will be the best selling console ever, even though the PS4 pro sold less than the PS4, and the PS5 hasn't outsold the PS4 yet, let alone the Switch, Wii or PS2? What alien math are they using? It'll be lucky to hit 20M let alone the extra 100M it'd need to sell
It's a channel made with fake voices and avatar and created to milk views for some easy cash so is meant to say hype things and exaggerations to get views. Really the sad part is that guy is bothering replying. Debunking such a channel means nothing because that channel doesn't represent anyone other the person trying to make some easy extra cash.
@@SIPEROTH This is the internet. Everyone is screaming into a void and accomplishing nothing. Even this comment is just a quick distraction. We all know this is stupid, but we're not pretending to be academics. Let us be stupid and pointless for a moment before we return to work and the grind.
I don't think you need trust me bro to believe that. Anyone can pretty much see that with all the leaks etc. Obviously is close on release and with Sony booking a place at the Tokyo Game show when they haven't be present at any events for years is obviously a clear indicator that they booked a place to announce the PS5 Pro.
SM2PC Brazil runs really well, a LOT better than what I would have expected for an unofficial port. I don't have to mess with most settings, and it's 60fps pretty steady, with some expected dips and lag here and there. Very smooth overall, for me at least.
How much of a Lazy-To-Take-Care-Of-Your-Drives you have to be to think a terabyte, let alone TWO are merely nothing?? Why would PS fans even need 4 terabytes if they barely got even 300 GBs of exclusives
Didn't know that people bought a console to only play exclusive games and nothing else. I was under the impression that consoles were gaming devices to generally play games. I guess i wasn't informed.
24:30 - When PS5 finally launched with an SSD, the best quote I heard was "Welcome 2012, you gonna love it." and Cerny acts like their decision to catch up to PCs actually inspired PC market to get SSDs too. We had them. For years at that time.
SSDs on the PC market couldn't even be used on the PS5 when the console released because they weren't fast enough. We had to wait until 4th gen fast SSD became a thing. So yeah PC had SSD but when the PS5 launched it clearly had faster storage speeds and even now it beats most PC's with gen 4 SSDs because it has a dedicated cheap on handling SSD data transfer to CPU and GPU etc.
I'm personally going to be making a PC build with either a 7900 GRE or a 7900 XT (whatever ends up being a better deal later this year). Even if im still a console player, I will never deny that the console will always be years behind current GPUs
Due to the CPU in the PS5 Pro, there will be no framerate improvement over the vanilla PS5 because it's the same CPU. It will be better at raytracing performance though.
That is not true. Games come in different flavors on their hardware demands. Some games are more CPU heavy while others rely more on the GPU. The second kind will certainly benefit in every aspect including framerates and the majority of games is actually the second type. The CPU heavy games will be more like you say with minimal frame improvements. Also PS5 Pro will use that new advance upscale algorithm that Sony has been working for some time now and i imagine that will give some great boost since it will be able to keep quality image at higher resolutions with same frame rate as low resolutions. When a normal PS5 uses FSR the quality clearly drops but now with the new Sony algorithm that won't be the case so is like having more power than the hardware you have.
@SIPEROTH Dude, I'll save this conversation, and I'll be back after the Pro is released. Raytracing will be massively improved, visual fidelity will be improved. Framerate will slightly improve. You don't seem to understand that RDNA 3 (PS5 Pro GPU architecture) has been out on PC since 2022, and it doesn't contain any hardware upscaling chips like Nvidias Tensor cores, so don't expect DLSS quality upscaling. Without hardware upscaling, it's a software solution like FSR. Machine learning, again like Nvidia will be impossible.
@@homernoy Better remember to be back. Because you will quickly see that some games will have minor framerate improvements while others will have quite big ones. Also this is not PC. As the Sony guy himself said, the good about a console is that we as the manufacturer can do what we want with it. RDNA3 doesn't have 3D sound chips either. Sony already made a chip for their new upscaling tech. They don't need RDNA 3 to do it. It will be as good as DLSS.
What the problem of playing on a budget PC, the bigger problem Sony had to solve and might never be able to is how to convince the 50% of the current PS gamers that still playing on PS4 to upgrade to new PS console
If anything the PS5 is like an RTX 2080, so the Pro will be like the 3080 or 90 and I'm a PS5 owner but I also own a PC with a 4080Super so I can't belive that the PS5 Pro would be that powerful out the box unless this PS5 Pro will be as big as a VCR from 1980s 🤣🤣
I'd like to know what PS5 game plays natively 4K. Not even 60FPS, just native 4K without checkerboarding or dynamic resolution scaling. Gosh, Cerny needs to stick to making consoles instead of talking about them. He's making the PS5 sound dumber and dumber. Literally none of what he said is full truths. They're half-truths at best. He's right, he's not bound to using commodity PC hardware, because of AMD's Semi-Custom business. HOWEVER, he's still bound to the same technology available to PC players. The CPU in the PS5 is nothing but an AMD Ryzen 7 3700. Spec for spec, it's the same. Same Zen2 processor, same 8 cores, and nearly the same clock speeds. The flaw in that is that PC gamers can choose to upgrade their PCs as newer parts come available, while the PS5 is stuck with what it has until the "next generation". As a PC gamer, on the same platform as the 3700, I can get a Ryzen 5800x3D, which is "next gen" compared to the PS5's CPU.
It's a pretty average game. Even with the media trying to hype it up and manipulate the scores, most people accept that this is a very average game at best.
I don't understand, they only talk about PlayStation games, like they're the only games that exist in the world, I'm sorry but i don't really care about majority of PlayStation games, im over here playing Fallout 2, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Black Ops 3, and also modding my games to my own preferences, something you can't really do on Consoles, especially PlayStation.
@@GhostsGraphics It's not. It's vastly overpriced because it don't have any actual professional "production" values. It's got lots of VRAM, but its gimped by its FP64 capabilities so that Nvidia can sell you a Quadro instead. And the "studio drivers" aren't anything special for RTX cards, it's just a driver that doesn't get "game ready" drivers.
This guy is talking off his ass you don't need a super expensive PC to be matched with a PS5 I have seen people building a very good PC for around 550$/600$ The GPUs like Rx 6600xt/ Rx 6700 is a good GPU I'm saving for 3070 I wanna use it on my current PC and change the CPU and whole PC later sure CPU I have will have 30 percent CPU bottleneck but what I researched it'll be fine for now I will definitely get it when my Money ready I do play on both playstation and PC I do like them both but I love PCs more mainly for more options (like resolution and graphical settings) My parents bought the PS5 for me on My birthday 🎂 so yeah No thank you PS5 pro is the same crap/ no graphical settings/ up to devs decide how you wanna play And cap ray tracing even though consoles can't run it and they're forcing you playing like that I would go for upgrading the new GPU (for that performance)
Because I had nothing better to do, I made a parts list for a PC. It was AM4 with a Ryzen 5 4500. A 2060 can play Spiderman at 1080, with raytracing, at 60 FPS, so that's the GPU I used (to beat the requested Spiderman performance). Other than a used 2060 for $170, the PC was all new. For another $20 or so, the SSD could be upgraded from the 240GB unit to a 1TB unit. It also included 16GB of RAM in dual channel. I considered a 3050, but the cheapest example I found was $190. That took me about twenty minutes. A brand new RX 6600 could (also) be substituted for the 2060. It outperforms the 2060 across the board, but the cheapest example I found was $200. If anyone's curious, I'd be glad to link you to my parts list.
The simple fact that I don't have to pay to play online, made switching from console over to PC worth it. I Spend 100+ dollars a month to my ISP already, don't need to waste an extra 60-70 bucks. I've saved so much money. And my "budget build" with a 3060 is doing just fine at 1440p with 100+ fps.
I’m not a PC expert by any means, but my 3060 card has ran everything I’ve ever wanted on high or max settings. I didn’t know it was “budget” lol seems pretty high quality to me
My first PC build back in mid 2018, was a Pentium G4560, 2x8GB ram and a msi r9 380. now my current build is a 3900x, 2x32GB ram with a RX 7900xt. my r9 380 is currently sitting on my shelf enjoying it's happy retirement.
At this point there would be nothing funnier than if the ps5 pro never gets announced lol does anybody remember when people were CONVINCED the switch pro was gonna happen? Yeah lol sometimes these rumors just end up being wishful thinking
I’ve been with Xbox from day one.. I’ve also spent the last nine years on the PS4 personally I thought it was crap.. i’m now on the series S and X. Currently saving for a better gaming PC one day… I certainly have no desire to get a PS5 or a PS5 or whatever the damn things called.. and you’re right PC gaming I’ve got limitless opportunities.. so I’m hoping to make the switch to PC and I will keep my Xbox as a backup.. plus I’ve worked 13 years in the gaming industry we all know PC is better
I play on 27/180hrz monitor with a rtx 3050 and a ryzen 5 5600…….1080p with 90-140fps (med to high) depending on the game. I love my build and will upgrade in two or three years
I'm new to pc gaming and my pc has a $700 CAD amd graphics card in it but I'm curious did I make a bad choice in general? My pc seems to run nicely so I'm hoping I didn't make a bad choice lol
@gamingcomputers7485 hmm, I'll have to message here later tonight since I'm in the process of moving into a new house lol but I'm doing one haul and I'm gunna start organizing and unpacking my pc and stuff, it'll be around a few hours give or take to give you that answer
@gamingcomputers7485 I been looking around online and checking my pc but I'm not exactly sure how to check the gpu & resolution, only thing I could find is my total available graphics memory is at 32,335, I don't know If my answer helps lol
@@WIld-cHILd-1273 to find what specs your pc has you can do a couple of things. first, open start menu and type in "about your pc". click this. this should tell you at least what cpu you have as well as how much RAM you have. the next way you can check is through task manager. open up your start manager and type "task manager". click this. click the tab labeled "performance. this will bring up different sections on the left side of the window labelled CPU, memory, disk, ethernet, wi-fi, and gpu. click on gpu. on the upper right hand side of the window it will show the name of your gpu. the last way is open start menu and type "device manager". click this. you will be given a list of devices or device types. click on display adapter. this will show you the name of your gpu. to find the monitor resolution, right click on your desktop and click display settings. this will show you what your monitor is set to and capable of.
Funny. The PS5 was going to be “more powerful than a 2080ti” and ended up being a 1070 with RT cores… So I’ll just chalk the PS5 pro up to roughly a 3070 AT BEST. Edit: It’s also interesting they keep bringing up Ray tracing, when it’s been shown that console Ray tracing is equivalent to PC RT set to low. Reflections and shadows aren’t nearly as good as on PC in the same games. Just look at RT heavy games.
@crestofhonor2349 that's what digital foundry said tho the 6700 xt is still a great card i was once with a discord a guy with a 3070 in his pc said tge ps5 is better rx 6700 xt/rtx 3070/rx 6750 xt dude said its performing like an rx 6800.
@@crestofhonor2349 When the PS5 was measured against GPUs with an equivalent (+/-) CPU, Gamers Nexus determined the PS5 most closely matched to a PC with a Ryzen 7 3700x with an Nvidia 1070 GPU, but with some RT cores tossed in. Honestly it’s negligible considering RT is garbage on consoles. Nearly any game you test with RT done right, PC has far better reflections and shadows. The consoles are basically using PC RT set to low quality.
@@gamingcomputers7485 um except that is not what digital foundry said. When they covered the PC port of AC Valhalla they said through the pc graphics option and finding the ps5 equivalent they discovered the ps5 is basically a 2070 super at best.
@@zeedude8026 You're talking about one game. Digital Foundry did a whole comparison against the RX 6700 and many of their tests for the equivalent system are using a RX6700 now. The Valhalla test was done nearly 3 years ago now
My gaming PC is about as close as you can get to a PS5. It has a Ryzen 5 3600, a Zen 2 CPU, and an RX 6700 XT, an RDNA 2 GPU that is just a clock and VRAM boosted version of the GPU in the PS5. I still get higher framerates at higher detail settings than a PS5, let that sink in.
RDNA2 desktop and console work differently. Desktop has infinity cache, which acts as a bandwidth amplifier. So it's 13 TFLOPS (6700 XT) vs 10 TFLOPS (PS5).
What people often fail to realize 60 FPS on some budget office monitor looks fine but it is noticeably more choppy on high refresh rate monitors due to fast pixel response time. I have 144 Hz monitor and when a game goes from 100 to 70 FPS is it definitely noticeable.
I would have to hard disagree on your point on budget cards matching the PS5 and Series X. They don’t. Also the 3060 is around if not less powerful than the PS5 based off of many benchmarks
Console peeps are so annoying. There's no way Ps5 or Ps5 Pro will compete with any pc lol. I built my pc over 3 years ago, it cost me right at $1,170 to build it minus the case which I already had so it's basically budget level, and it's still better than Ps5 even 3 years later lol. It might be equivalent or maybe a little slower to Ps5 Pro if the leaks are right but it's 3 years old and Ps5 Pro hasn't even released yet lol. They just don't understand pc will just always be better because we can upgrade yearly if we wanted to and consoles last 8 years before they get to upgrade.
I think it's possible to turn your last point into a strength for consoles. Bring able to upgrade whenever is very nice, but for consoles you never really need to. Most of the games people want to play run at the very least fine on them and since modern console generations last so long now, you could easily squeeze 8-10 years out of them. Ps4 is still getting new games even after 11 years on the market. If you bought a ps4 in 2013 and never upgraded, you got your money's worth and then some
Lol 4090 my arse. My 4070 ti super and 14700kf will smoke anything Sony could ever put on the market right now or probably in the long future. God these guys are too much.
Like Cerny like Pony: "New PC build with only a used motherboard = $500 = too much" Also Cerny Pony: "Used PS5 (which has all used parts) = $300" This was the only part I bothered commenting on but that video Joe's clipping is strewn with so much of this sh, it's an open sewage stream.
Yeah, that channel is so freaking shady, especially with the whole 'trust me' thing they're trying to get across. Wow! Cuddos to you for going through this whole ish.
i don’t understand why microsoft doesn’t make a multi tasking “console” that’s basically a laptop that can run games and computer software but has what’s needed for the base consumer. Pc gaming overwhelms a lot of people how chips work how chips work with cooling involved just cause it’s a good chip doesn’t mean it will run well depending on cooling ram and other things microsoft or xbox should just making a laptop marketed as a console and try to make the parts that can be upgraded easy to swap in and out people stay out of pc gaming because they feel the hardware changes so much that they’ll have to swap out their 1000 graphics card in six months i feel microsoft should go that route imagine a “console” that can function like an i pad, laptop and play games offer a solution to the problem
Its funny how the voice only said that people play only on 4k 60fps, thats the dumbest pony assumption that pc is is exactly like ponies and only love graphics
@@luukherfst1209 Personally, I'll take 1440p over 4K and 1080p, but that's because I find 1440p the perfect middle ground between FPS and Visual Quality.
I need to point out something: they said that if linus needed a used motherboard, they can get a used PS5 for 300$, but if the whole thing can be used we can also get a pc for 300$ with the same performance or better...
hardware and game performance is literally all the pc has. its more expensive, requires consistent upgrades, requires technical knowledge, troubleshooting broken games. like, i grew up gaming on a 486 and loved pc gaming for a long time but at a certain point it became unnecessarily intensive to remain a pc player. I'd rather just pop the game into the console and go. back in the day the most i ever had to do was edit a .bat file to reallocate memory and autorun an overclocker program on startup and that worked to make every spec'ed game run great. now its "oh check these settings, try changing this to this, update drivers, go to this other folder and edit this file, run it as admin and do 12 other things to make the broken game start and run"
It would actually be a shrewd business move to cancel this hardware release. This thing is going to lose a lot of money, and will not sell to any new customers. Can they turn this ship before it hits the iceberg?
People seem to forget that the ps5 pro will have an even more magical ssd, which will beat out every pc spec for the next 5 years at least. Checkmate! 😂
Umm, do you know how consoles/pcs work? An SSD won’t run anything faster except installations and load times, not to mention the PS5 already has a fine enough SSD.
The PS5 Pro is only a rumor, and no PS6 in sight 😂. PS called Xbox's bluff, and it backfired on them. Xbox has a roadmap of the future. PS has a rumor.
Shoooot, my little 13700k/4070ti-super is easily 4-5x more powerful and capable than a PS5 in 4k!! 😂 Literally not even remotely possible any console can out do a 4090. Sure...maybe in 8-10yrs they might. Was on PS4-Pro. Low 4k at 25-30fps. Snowrunner running 15-20 small mods would jump to like 10fps. Even no mods, game ran laggy. On my mid PC I'm running Snowrunner at ultra 4k at 117-120fps with almost a 100 mods of tiny size to nearly a gig alone. The latest consoles can't even dream of doing that! AND I've got 100s and 100s of games to pick from too!
4 months ago and the truth came out. Joe, I truly would love to see a video of you coming back to this same video debunking the nonsense with the facts that have come out since.
I want to ask the person that wrote this article how the ps4 or ps5 pioneered Dirext X, when it was first used on PC in 1995 before the ps2 was even out. Make it make sense.
I'm rocking a Radeon 6600. I don't need to play all these super competitive and demanding games. I'm more concerned about how much performance I can get out of Devil May Cry. Over 300+ fps, btw.
13:20 I don't know about a budget build, but a good one with an RX 7600 or RTX 4060 + Ryzen 5500 combo + rest of the build will cost you $565, but then you have to take into account that this is rasterization performance, and the 4060 has DLSS 3 Frame Generation and Reflex, which means that at the end of the day, using the same settings, you can end up having a much higher framerate with lower input latency. Also, DLSS is much better in the vast majority of games than FSR, which is what consoles are using in most cuerrent gen games, so even when you combine DLSS with Frame Gen turned on you get less artifacts than FSR alone, and because the input latency on consoles is so high you end up with a much lower input latency too. This is why I no longer agree with the argument that consoles have a much lower cost on front. Yeah, you save around $100 (because that first year of PS Plus or Xbox Live/Game Pass for access to online and cloud saves is not free) but you also get a much worst and experience. You don't like the 30 fps on Hellblade 2? Well, with this build you have an option to play it at over 60 fps having the same, if not better visuals and lower input latency. That is not a "match console performance" no more. You can hate on AI all you want, but it is being pretty helpful in a lot of titles lately, and consoles don't have that. FSR isn't AI. The FG they have is only on one single game and it is working really poorly and, with around 120 ms, and you need a 120 hz VRR display to use it.
"2 tiny terrabytes" meanwhile, me sitting on a 20TB HDD. storage is not expensive. you can easily buy some more if you need... oh wait, we talking about a console ? ah yes... the home of overpriced properitary storage extensions... cry about it. #PCMR
To be fair, PS5 does have a NVME SSD slot. So you can swap out memory really easily with whatever size ya want. Hell, years ago I even swapped out my HDD in the PS4 Pro to a 2tb 2.5" SSD and it ran easily twice as fast. So it's definitely not hard or super expensive unless the market is just hiked up. Buddy of mine who did buy a PS5 threw in a Silcapower 6tb NVME in like 5min. But I'm definitely far more happier with my 25tb in my PC Lol
@GrySgtBubba wow. thats some serious storage there... personally, i partitioned my storage in two section: one dedicated for games, and the other for utilities... names aside, the utility part is for software, downloaded films, music, etc. how do you use your storage ? :)
@@GrySgtBubba ya gotta remember, we're comparing nvme with HDD here so its not really fair to compare a 2tb nvme to 20tb of HDD when theres a huge difference in price. Thats all I was getting at
@@chrissyboy7047 I mean, seeing as ssd's only come in 4tb and some 6tb for hundreds of dollars, with like 1 or 2 8tb's coming in at over a grand usd...a $300 20tb hdd doesn't sound bad 🤣 When ssd's come in 10-20tb for round $500...then we can honestly argue ssd's are superior. But 800-1000 bucks for just 8tb is just stupid.
Lol 60 frames per second 😂. *laughs in and ryzen 7 7800x 3d and rtx 3080 at 4k 120 fps * I did recently just decide to upgrade to Xbox series x from one x after my friends on Xbox live hitting me up again so there’s that. It’s less about the superior hardware and more about the social experience of console gaming, really. The one thing I will give it to Consol gaming for is the fact that it’s a better system if you’re just trying to get online and team up with the Homies. Consoles are fun too, but only if you're trying to play your favorite games with your friends who are on a different platform.
At 13:20, my response would be how come I can run Miles Morales on high and over 60 fps w/ a 1660. I can’t use ray tracing, but at least it ain’t required to be on by default.
He really went 'MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP'
Same processor yet a £1500+ GPU....sure seems legit
Did you just assume this computer's gender?
@@optiquemusic6204 as I identify as a battleship I have no eyes and you should have known this. Ignorance isn't an excuse lol
"Stop saying ps5 has no games" proceeds to show footage of games not out yet 😂
Anyone remember 3 years ago “PS4 pro is stronger than the 3090”
Peasents never change😂
PS4 pro is like a GTX 1060 3GB. Or an RX 570.
they claimed ps5 already beat 2080ti in performance while the console is just on par with 2070 super
3 years ago the ps5 was already out and is nowhere near a 3090, why would the ps4 pro be better than a 3090?
Isn’t the PS4 like a gtx 760 😂
3:53 as an owner of a ps5, the meme of it having no games is funny because it is true and pisses people off. Cause even when it does get a game, they're movies with button mashing
And probably a owner of an inferior build as well
@@DRex45 ???
@@DRex45 *an owner
The ps5 indeed didn't see a price drop, for the first time in human history, a gaming console has become more expensive years after it released...
Let that sink in.
It see a price hike recently ... With so little games that PS5 have there are no real justification to have PS5 Pro. Also journalists nowdays has no respect from me.
If your PC is so much better than a console, why do you have to beg for our games? Sony doesn’t owe you Bloodborne. If your platform is truly superior, just keep playing Dota 2 and CS:GO. Maybe focus on those endless mods and upgrades instead of coveting what we have.
@@Hono1256your acting like PlayStation has hundreds of amazing games when it only has like five good exclusives still only on the ps5
@@Hono1256searching for a PC begger is like fishing for a tractor. It's ridiculous and unlikely. We don't beg, we own 🤷🏿♂️💪🏿
But fun, a troll! Look everyone, a lowlife who thinks his opinions matter! Point and laugh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@KeyJayHD your life matter? If it didn’t matter to you guys why would this guy make a response video about the video
i still remember "pc gaming hold back gaming industry".
man, that didn't age well.
Comparison by PC Jesus himself: "Nobody should be under the illusion the PS5 is a top tier gaming machine because that is just not true. It is an affordable living room box. It is equivalent in gaming performance to mid to high end PC from around 5 years ago. That is where this thing is." - Steve, Gamer's Nexus
Not this nonsense, again. Didn't it already leak that the PS5 pro will have the same APU as the PS5? That leaves firmware tweaks and some hardware acceleration.
The leaks actually show it will have a bump in GPU performance. The PS5 has 36 active CUs whereas the leaks says 60 active CUs which is equivalent to the 7800 XT. It's the CPU that isn't getting much of a bump.
@@KevDawg1992 Oh, okay. It's the PS5 Bottleneck Edition. Cool.
@@KevDawg1992actually 🤓it’ll still be a useless plastic box that will never supersede a gaming pc
It's already bottlenecked so that extra 10% if CPU power will equate to about 10% more performance. The PS5Pro is a junk upgrade if you don't upgrade your CPU
No, it has the same cpu as the xbox. The gpu was improved, but it's going to be bottlenecked by the cpu.
Weard that Sony had a huge leak with gameplay for games in development and financial stuff and roadmap but no mention of a pro 😂
Wasn't that insomniac, or a earlier date? There are too many to count and also depending on time plans change.
"weard"? Never heard of that word
And they already started talking about the PS7. They completely forgot the number 6 existed
Also, it's spelled *Weird
Wtf is this guy on?? Isn't most of the Playstation community still on ps4? Jesus
Yes, I think it’s most of the player base that hasn’t upgraded.
@@Null0023actually about half if not more have upgraded now. Although it does differ on region
@@crestofhonor2349approximately half of PlayStations active userbase of 118 million is still on PS4
And the PS5 sold over 59 million units
I'm still on PS4. Ain't no way I was gonna spend $2000usd ona console...AND wait 8-10 months! Lol Once I looked at the PS5 stats being so lackluster, I finally built a PC.
Yeah broke bois
It's not surprising I already have Sony fanboys telling me the current PS5 is faster than anything on PC. But they basically have RX 6700 non-XT in a very cooling and power-limited scenario. So the PS5 is midrange at best. PS5 Pro will be similar to a 7800 XT again not close to a 4090 in any capacity.
id be surprised if it even comes close to a 7800 xt
The leaks indicate nothing close to a 7800 XT. It's rumored to have peak performance at 33tflops. The 7800XT is 37tflops so around 11% faster. Even the 7700XT is slightly faster, so if the leaks end up being true, it will be slower than a $400ish card.
The ps5 already run hot as hell even with that 6 pound heatsink. The consoles can't handle the heat that a 4090 puts out.
But.. what about the next level of the magical ssd?
lol a 7800 xt lol.
How much spiked pony ski slopes do these people inhale they think an invisible console is stronger than current PC hardware to date?!
Absolutely mental.
Also fun fact that a PS5 in Austrailia is 749 bucks without tax and that doesn't even include accessories will more expensive than that budget build PC. Oh and your PS5 will still get cooked by it lol.
its 800 bucks in canada. fuckin ridiculous
Not to mention paying to use your internet. (Still insane to me that this is a thing)
@jjojon7072 I guess they have an eastern seaboard toll road fetishism with Sony
This video did not age well now we actually saw the tech demo for the Pro 😂
($700 for a console still TARGETING 60fps which barely any graphical boosts)
Worse is some games will stay at 30fps 😹
@@Null0023While on pc people play at 144 fps and 240 if you have a really powerful system and play at 1080p😂
I remember when Sony was hyping up their PS3 by saying that their "Emotion Engine" was powerful enough to put both Intel and AMD out of business in the PC market. Prior to that, they claimed that their PS2 was powerful enough to simultaneously display 75,000,000 polygons, even though it's maximum 1920*1080 output was 2,073,600 pixels. Sony's history is littered with these sorts of statements about their consoles, and some people are either too ignorant or too foolish to realize it. There's always too many good games for me to play on platforms I own to support a company which thinks so little about video game players.
eh... number of polygons rendered vs pixels output isn't really a good comparison. polygons rendered and processed determine how detailed the shape of game models can be. has nothing to do with how the picture is presented on the the screen by pixel count. pixel count determines how detailed the skins of the models can be. completely different.
@@aarlavaan 75 million polygons on screen at a time is still a grossly inaccurate and dishonest statement for Sony to have made about their PlayStation 2 though. Those detailed skins on the PS2 were simply texture maps, just like what was used by programmers for the original Xbox and the Xbox 360.
Sony also claimed that the PlayStation 2 could create the same level of computer graphics used in Hollywood blockbusters in real time, even though the million dollar Silicon Graphics workstations used by Hollywood for those movies couldn't do it in real time. Again, Sony hyped their unreleased and upcoming hardware with claims which were an insult to anyone who understood computer graphics, as well as to anyone who spent a few moments running Sony's claims through the filter of common sense. So my original point still stands.
@@hidarimak again, you are conflating the texture maps with the polygon count. Those are two different things. The texture maps will look more or less detailed or nice based on the pixel count of the output, and the pixel density and size of the screen the lower the oven count the more image fidelity is lost. But it has nothing to do with polygon count. At all. The polygon count determines how smooth or detailed the models UNDERNEATH those texture maps are. Want to make a rock more bumpy, smooth, or jagged? It needs more polygons. Want to make a circle more round? Needs more polygons. the average ps2 game shows on screen between 16 and 50 MILLION polygons at any given time. So saying the console could handle up to 75 million isn't unreasonable.
As for the claims of Hollywood movies... I would want to see a source. And depending on if they were talking about ore rendered cinematics or game play. Because those are handled in different ways. Remember, your Blu-ray player doesn't have a gpu in it, but displays crisp 4k images just fine. It's merely reading the info rather than calculating it.
They being said, yes, all companies hype up their products to be better then they really are. The Xbox One was powerful enough to display all of observable space. Did it mean anything? Not really. But it sounds cool.
@@aarlavaan Again, saying that any PS2 game was throwing around 75 million polygons per second in game at a time is dishonest. There are multiple games and gaming engines which have been promoted by the inclusion of how many polygons were being handled per frame or per second, which is one way to gauge the accuracy of Sony's statement. Compare the promoted specs of other rendering hardware of its time such as the GeForce 3, and see how the best PS2 games compare in performance. Various sources I've checked have stated that the PS2 could handle up to 66 million polygons if it's just displaying polygons, but in game it's limited to 5-6 million polygons per second. I did see one source (Unity Forum) state that the PS2 could handle up to 20 million polygons at a time though.
Sony stated that the performance gap between the PS1 and the Dreamcast would be as great as the performance gap between the Dreamcast and the PS2. But what the PS2 delivered during the first two years on the market was pretty much on par with what the Dreamcast did during its own first two years. So, again, over-hype.
As to the statement of the PS2 producing Hollywood level CG in real time, it was from various interviews conducted by the print gaming mags of the time, back when online console gaming news wasn't the main attraction like it is today. This was prior to the launch of the console itself though. And as to your example, Blu-ray players are said to play various quality videos (4k/60, HDR10, etc). I have yet to see a player promoted as creating the world that you see in the videos though.
When I think people can't possibly be more delusional, console simps deliver. Every. Single. Time.
The RTX 3060 can out perform a PS5... and the GPU isn't the only piece of hardware in a PC anyway. As usual, CPU's hold back a lot of current gen games, and even these "budget PC's" will often have superior CPU's & more RAM than a PS5.
Edit: And you mentioned that, awesome! 😁
Not even the PS6 will beat the 4090 😂
Not even the ps7 lmao
I don't know that I'd make assumptions like that since you don't know when it's coming out
@@jamieo8840 the ps7 will come out in 2036 and it will be stronger than the 2090!!
If your PC is so much better than the console why do have to beg for our games. Sony doesn’t owe you Bloodborne. If your platform is so much better just keep playing that Dota 2 and CSgo
@@Hono1256Why are you babbling about exclusives? These comments are talking about the performance difference in hardware, not games 😂😂
I really want to hear you debate a Sony fanboy in real-time.
I remember that years ago, fritanga debated Jaytechtv. God that was beyond awfull😂
nobody actually believes that their consoles are better than pcs, they say that because people are stupid enough to get angry at it and then they get views. these “sony fanboys” yall be talking about don’t exist. actual fans of the consoles recognize they are entirely different from pc’s in every way.
i don't think that an apu will have rtx 4090 power any time soon
Yeah.... APU that has 350w+ for the GPU and 150w for CPU is kinda hard to cool. :D
ALL PlayStation & Xbox consoles, no matter when they come out, will NEVER be more powerful or as powerful as a PC.
I hate those AI voiced channels. They bring no effort or anything to the platform
"GTA 6 will make PS5/PS5 Pro the best selling console of all time!"
I like how Sony fans have co-opted GTA 6 into the Playstation brand & are preemptively attaching it to their console as if it were some exclusive.
They tried this with Baldur's Gate 3, only after they started seeing the great reviews & tons of attention it was getting, even though it wasn't even on the console yet. Then when it actually came out on PS5, they were ready to move on to Spider-Man 2 anyway & BG3 already served its fanboy purpose of putting down Starfield.
Now they're doing it again with GTA 6 to preemptively attack PC & Xbox by tying it to PS5 Pro... It's so annoying & disingenuous.
BG 3 was the best selling game on Xbox, it never cracked top 20 on the PS5. Even though Xbots don't play games?
fr bro ive seen them keep claming gta 6 like its some exclusive game bro its funny as hell.
@@chrism8860well that's because the Bg3 isn't a 3rd person action adventure with light stealth and rpg elements.
@@joeallen3388 With heavily pre-rendered cutscenes and quick time events
@@smwfreak1647 Didn't you know that GTA 6 is a PS5 Pro exclusive?
So sick of everyone that compare a console with APU laptop hardware to an actual desktop pc, they are clueless.
its ragebait you dunce
I love all this PS5 vs PC. Real question ponies should be asking is: Why won't the 49% of PS4 users switched to PS5?
Pretty obvious why. Because you can have a good time still playing on your PS4 and many of the titles released on PS5 got PS4 versions and most third party titles still get PS4 versions so the PS4 users don't feel they need to upgrade to not lose out that much yet.
On top of that console gamers are sensitive to paying. They like milking what they got before throwing cash for new hardware. They only do it when they feel that what they got is now too old and irrelevant which the PS4 still isn't.
Especially the users that bought a PS4 Pro bought a console not that long ago that still does 4K upscaled so it was too fast to jump on a PS5 and they probably rather wait for a PS5 Pro and more rich game library when more games not on PS4 drop.
Other than that there are other factors like covid making many normal console buyers not able to buy a PS5 the first 2-3 years. And if you didn't buy one at that time then you think: "Why buy one now and not wait for a discount or a PS5 Pro?".
Not being able to buy the newer consoles also made most developers make versions of their games play on older consoles and that made the new for the new hardware feels less urgent as well.
They are broke, I have 2 gaming pcs, a ps5, and nintendo switch.
not to mention that higher "graphical" settings are sometimes horrible. I just started Doom (2016) and I NEVER get motion sick in games. I NEVER have a hard time following whats happening ingame, but i had to turn some of the garbage settings (like motion blur) down/off and that shit helped SO much.
27:26 it’s July. If there was a PS5Pro coming out this year, we would’ve heard about it by now.
Ive read it comes out holiday 2024 but ive also heard something about a chip going into tvs that will allow people to play video games with out a console or.pc but idk
Source "Trust me bro"
So they say the PS5 pro will be the best selling console ever, even though the PS4 pro sold less than the PS4, and the PS5 hasn't outsold the PS4 yet, let alone the Switch, Wii or PS2?
What alien math are they using? It'll be lucky to hit 20M let alone the extra 100M it'd need to sell
It's a channel made with fake voices and avatar and created to milk views for some easy cash so is meant to say hype things and exaggerations to get views.
Really the sad part is that guy is bothering replying. Debunking such a channel means nothing because that channel doesn't represent anyone other the person trying to make some easy extra cash.
@@SIPEROTH This is the internet. Everyone is screaming into a void and accomplishing nothing. Even this comment is just a quick distraction.
We all know this is stupid, but we're not pretending to be academics. Let us be stupid and pointless for a moment before we return to work and the grind.
"The PS5 Pro is releasing this year." Source: Trust me, Bro.
I don't think you need trust me bro to believe that. Anyone can pretty much see that with all the leaks etc.
Obviously is close on release and with Sony booking a place at the Tokyo Game show when they haven't be present at any events for years is obviously a clear indicator that they booked a place to announce the PS5 Pro.
If you wanna burn your gaming mancave to the ground slap a 4090 Inna console..
These ponies are living with their parents, they would be kicked out after the electricity bill drops. :D
It doesn't matter what systems you play have fun is the only things that matters
"PS5 Pro will be stronger than an RTX 4090!"
RTX 5090: "Oh hello! Sorry, didn't see you down there."
LOL I just ascended to RXTX 3090 . I'm a filthy RTX 3000 series peasant who isn't worthy.
they wanna talk about hardware and performance , yet they are the same idiots who believe SSD will boost your graphical fidelity
SM2PC Brazil runs really well, a LOT better than what I would have expected for an unofficial port.
I don't have to mess with most settings, and it's 60fps pretty steady, with some expected dips and lag here and there. Very smooth overall, for me at least.
How much of a Lazy-To-Take-Care-Of-Your-Drives you have to be to think a terabyte, let alone TWO are merely nothing??
Why would PS fans even need 4 terabytes if they barely got even 300 GBs of exclusives
Games like call of duty take up 300 GBs these days
Didn't know that people bought a console to only play exclusive games and nothing else.
I was under the impression that consoles were gaming devices to generally play games. I guess i wasn't informed.
24:30 - When PS5 finally launched with an SSD, the best quote I heard was "Welcome 2012, you gonna love it." and Cerny acts like their decision to catch up to PCs actually inspired PC market to get SSDs too. We had them. For years at that time.
SSDs on the PC market couldn't even be used on the PS5 when the console released because they weren't fast enough. We had to wait until 4th gen fast SSD became a thing. So yeah PC had SSD but when the PS5 launched it clearly had faster storage speeds and even now it beats most PC's with gen 4 SSDs because it has a dedicated cheap on handling SSD data transfer to CPU and GPU etc.
@@SIPEROTH Huh? There are no "gens" in SSD.
I'm personally going to be making a PC build with either a 7900 GRE or a 7900 XT (whatever ends up being a better deal later this year). Even if im still a console player, I will never deny that the console will always be years behind current GPUs
Due to the CPU in the PS5 Pro, there will be no framerate improvement over the vanilla PS5 because it's the same CPU. It will be better at raytracing performance though.
That is not true.
Games come in different flavors on their hardware demands. Some games are more CPU heavy while others rely more on the GPU.
The second kind will certainly benefit in every aspect including framerates and the majority of games is actually the second type.
The CPU heavy games will be more like you say with minimal frame improvements.
Also PS5 Pro will use that new advance upscale algorithm that Sony has been working for some time now and i imagine that will give some great boost since it will be able to keep quality image at higher resolutions with same frame rate as low resolutions. When a normal PS5 uses FSR the quality clearly drops but now with the new Sony algorithm that won't be the case so is like having more power than the hardware you have.
@@SIPEROTHTake this up with Digital Foundry, who said exactly what I said
@@homernoy No they didn't. I saw them talking about this and what they said is not that at all.
You just took what you wanted out of what they said.
@SIPEROTH Dude, I'll save this conversation, and I'll be back after the Pro is released. Raytracing will be massively improved, visual fidelity will be improved. Framerate will slightly improve. You don't seem to understand that RDNA 3 (PS5 Pro GPU architecture) has been out on PC since 2022, and it doesn't contain any hardware upscaling chips like Nvidias Tensor cores, so don't expect DLSS quality upscaling.
Without hardware upscaling, it's a software solution like FSR. Machine learning, again like Nvidia will be impossible.
@@homernoy Better remember to be back.
Because you will quickly see that some games will have minor framerate improvements while others will have quite big ones.
Also this is not PC. As the Sony guy himself said, the good about a console is that we as the manufacturer can do what we want with it.
RDNA3 doesn't have 3D sound chips either.
Sony already made a chip for their new upscaling tech. They don't need RDNA 3 to do it. It will be as good as DLSS.
What the problem of playing on a budget PC, the bigger problem Sony had to solve and might never be able to is how to convince the 50% of the current PS gamers that still playing on PS4 to upgrade to new PS console
If anything the PS5 is like an RTX 2080, so the Pro will be like the 3080 or 90 and I'm a PS5 owner but I also own a PC with a 4080Super so I can't belive that the PS5 Pro would be that powerful out the box unless this PS5 Pro will be as big as a VCR from 1980s 🤣🤣
I'd like to know what PS5 game plays natively 4K. Not even 60FPS, just native 4K without checkerboarding or dynamic resolution scaling.
Gosh, Cerny needs to stick to making consoles instead of talking about them. He's making the PS5 sound dumber and dumber.
Literally none of what he said is full truths. They're half-truths at best. He's right, he's not bound to using commodity PC hardware, because of AMD's Semi-Custom business. HOWEVER, he's still bound to the same technology available to PC players. The CPU in the PS5 is nothing but an AMD Ryzen 7 3700. Spec for spec, it's the same. Same Zen2 processor, same 8 cores, and nearly the same clock speeds. The flaw in that is that PC gamers can choose to upgrade their PCs as newer parts come available, while the PS5 is stuck with what it has until the "next generation". As a PC gamer, on the same platform as the 3700, I can get a Ryzen 5800x3D, which is "next gen" compared to the PS5's CPU.
Spiderman 2 is not a flex, but that's the best Sony has I guess.
It's a pretty average game. Even with the media trying to hype it up and manipulate the scores, most people accept that this is a very average game at best.
@@phbranding8530I'd actually say it's not as good as spiderman 1.
Imagine being a PC gamer talking about what's a flex or not. How about y'all make y'all own shit
@@DRex45 We do make our own, they're called Indie games.
@@theamazingjack3039 and them shits are trash
I don't understand, they only talk about PlayStation games, like they're the only games that exist in the world, I'm sorry but i don't really care about majority of PlayStation games, im over here playing Fallout 2, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Black Ops 3, and also modding my games to my own preferences, something you can't really do on Consoles, especially PlayStation.
glad your not playing fallout 1 eww
@@chaserseven2886 what's wrong with Fallout 1, i thought it was pretty good
Even tho the 4090 is a scam, there is no amount of power that would convince me to put up with all of Sony's bullcrap.
The 4090 is definitely not a scam. It's the cheapest production card you can get.
You can not deny it’s power.
This card is insane.
The price point that’s……. Yeah
Oef
The graphics achievable with the card shows it’s not a scam
Yeah, no. I run a 4090 for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. For what I want, the 4090 is necessary.
@@GhostsGraphics It's not. It's vastly overpriced because it don't have any actual professional "production" values. It's got lots of VRAM, but its gimped by its FP64 capabilities so that Nvidia can sell you a Quadro instead. And the "studio drivers" aren't anything special for RTX cards, it's just a driver that doesn't get "game ready" drivers.
This guy is talking off his ass you don't need a super expensive PC to be matched with a PS5
I have seen people building a very good PC for around 550$/600$
The GPUs like Rx 6600xt/ Rx 6700 is a good GPU
I'm saving for 3070 I wanna use it on my current PC and change the CPU and whole PC later sure CPU I have will have 30 percent CPU bottleneck but what I researched it'll be fine for now I will definitely get it when my Money ready
I do play on both playstation and PC
I do like them both but I love PCs more mainly for more options (like resolution and graphical settings)
My parents bought the PS5 for me on My birthday 🎂 so yeah
No thank you PS5 pro is the same crap/ no graphical settings/ up to devs decide how you wanna play
And cap ray tracing even though consoles can't run it and they're forcing you playing like that
I would go for upgrading the new GPU (for that performance)
I paid 900 bucks for my prebuilt with a 3060 in it. Runs good enough for me
Imagine cappin for a system that isnt even out or even been announced 😂
Cerny completely missed the Mark.
Dumbest comment made. Even Digital foundry would take a dump in your mouth from this statement
Because I had nothing better to do, I made a parts list for a PC. It was AM4 with a Ryzen 5 4500. A 2060 can play Spiderman at 1080, with raytracing, at 60 FPS, so that's the GPU I used (to beat the requested Spiderman performance). Other than a used 2060 for $170, the PC was all new. For another $20 or so, the SSD could be upgraded from the 240GB unit to a 1TB unit. It also included 16GB of RAM in dual channel. I considered a 3050, but the cheapest example I found was $190. That took me about twenty minutes.
A brand new RX 6600 could (also) be substituted for the 2060. It outperforms the 2060 across the board, but the cheapest example I found was $200.
If anyone's curious, I'd be glad to link you to my parts list.
The simple fact that I don't have to pay to play online, made switching from console over to PC worth it. I Spend 100+ dollars a month to my ISP already, don't need to waste an extra 60-70 bucks. I've saved so much money. And my "budget build" with a 3060 is doing just fine at 1440p with 100+ fps.
I’m not a PC expert by any means, but my 3060 card has ran everything I’ve ever wanted on high or max settings. I didn’t know it was “budget” lol seems pretty high quality to me
My first PC build back in mid 2018, was a Pentium G4560, 2x8GB ram and a msi r9 380. now my current build is a 3900x, 2x32GB ram with a RX 7900xt. my r9 380 is currently sitting on my shelf enjoying it's happy retirement.
At this point there would be nothing funnier than if the ps5 pro never gets announced lol does anybody remember when people were CONVINCED the switch pro was gonna happen? Yeah lol sometimes these rumors just end up being wishful thinking
I’ve been with Xbox from day one.. I’ve also spent the last nine years on the PS4 personally I thought it was crap.. i’m now on the series S and X. Currently saving for a better gaming PC one day… I certainly have no desire to get a PS5 or a PS5 or whatever the damn things called.. and you’re right PC gaming I’ve got limitless opportunities.. so I’m hoping to make the switch to PC and I will keep my Xbox as a backup.. plus I’ve worked 13 years in the gaming industry we all know PC is better
I play on 27/180hrz monitor with a rtx 3050 and a ryzen 5 5600…….1080p with 90-140fps (med to high) depending on the game. I love my build and will upgrade in two or three years
Bruh not even AMD has anything out there that can compete with the 4090.
I'm new to pc gaming and my pc has a $700 CAD amd graphics card in it but I'm curious did I make a bad choice in general? My pc seems to run nicely so I'm hoping I didn't make a bad choice lol
@@WIld-cHILd-1273What's your gpu and resolution?
@gamingcomputers7485 hmm, I'll have to message here later tonight since I'm in the process of moving into a new house lol but I'm doing one haul and I'm gunna start organizing and unpacking my pc and stuff, it'll be around a few hours give or take to give you that answer
@gamingcomputers7485 I been looking around online and checking my pc but I'm not exactly sure how to check the gpu & resolution, only thing I could find is my total available graphics memory is at 32,335, I don't know If my answer helps lol
@@WIld-cHILd-1273 to find what specs your pc has you can do a couple of things. first, open start menu and type in "about your pc". click this. this should tell you at least what cpu you have as well as how much RAM you have.
the next way you can check is through task manager. open up your start manager and type "task manager". click this. click the tab labeled "performance. this will bring up different sections on the left side of the window labelled CPU, memory, disk, ethernet, wi-fi, and gpu. click on gpu. on the upper right hand side of the window it will show the name of your gpu.
the last way is open start menu and type "device manager". click this. you will be given a list of devices or device types. click on display adapter. this will show you the name of your gpu.
to find the monitor resolution, right click on your desktop and click display settings. this will show you what your monitor is set to and capable of.
Funny. The PS5 was going to be “more powerful than a 2080ti” and ended up being a 1070 with RT cores… So I’ll just chalk the PS5 pro up to roughly a 3070 AT BEST.
Edit: It’s also interesting they keep bringing up Ray tracing, when it’s been shown that console Ray tracing is equivalent to PC RT set to low. Reflections and shadows aren’t nearly as good as on PC in the same games. Just look at RT heavy games.
It’s basically equal to an AMD RX?6700
@crestofhonor2349 that's what digital foundry said tho the 6700 xt is still a great card i was once with a discord a guy with a 3070 in his pc said tge ps5 is better rx 6700 xt/rtx 3070/rx 6750 xt dude said its performing like an rx 6800.
@@crestofhonor2349 When the PS5 was measured against GPUs with an equivalent (+/-) CPU, Gamers Nexus determined the PS5 most closely matched to a PC with a Ryzen 7 3700x with an Nvidia 1070 GPU, but with some RT cores tossed in. Honestly it’s negligible considering RT is garbage on consoles. Nearly any game you test with RT done right, PC has far better reflections and shadows. The consoles are basically using PC RT set to low quality.
@@gamingcomputers7485 um except that is not what digital foundry said. When they covered the PC port of AC Valhalla they said through the pc graphics option and finding the ps5 equivalent they discovered the ps5 is basically a 2070 super at best.
@@zeedude8026 You're talking about one game. Digital Foundry did a whole comparison against the RX 6700 and many of their tests for the equivalent system are using a RX6700 now. The Valhalla test was done nearly 3 years ago now
My gaming PC is about as close as you can get to a PS5. It has a Ryzen 5 3600, a Zen 2 CPU, and an RX 6700 XT, an RDNA 2 GPU that is just a clock and VRAM boosted version of the GPU in the PS5. I still get higher framerates at higher detail settings than a PS5, let that sink in.
RDNA2 desktop and console work differently. Desktop has infinity cache, which acts as a bandwidth amplifier. So it's 13 TFLOPS (6700 XT) vs 10 TFLOPS (PS5).
What people often fail to realize 60 FPS on some budget office monitor looks fine but it is noticeably more choppy on high refresh rate monitors due to fast pixel response time. I have 144 Hz monitor and when a game goes from 100 to 70 FPS is it definitely noticeable.
_"Expensive budget PCs..."_
Quite the contradictory statement.
That's the average pony for you.
The meaning is that they are budget for PC but still more expensive than a console therefore they are expensive but they are budget PC's.
Ponies: The PS whatever runs better than PC's.
Also ponies: why do all these PC gamers come to our Twitter to console war hurr durr?
I would have to hard disagree on your point on budget cards matching the PS5 and Series X. They don’t. Also the 3060 is around if not less powerful than the PS5 based off of many benchmarks
Console peeps are so annoying. There's no way Ps5 or Ps5 Pro will compete with any pc lol. I built my pc over 3 years ago, it cost me right at $1,170 to build it minus the case which I already had so it's basically budget level, and it's still better than Ps5 even 3 years later lol. It might be equivalent or maybe a little slower to Ps5 Pro if the leaks are right but it's 3 years old and Ps5 Pro hasn't even released yet lol. They just don't understand pc will just always be better because we can upgrade yearly if we wanted to and consoles last 8 years before they get to upgrade.
I think it's possible to turn your last point into a strength for consoles. Bring able to upgrade whenever is very nice, but for consoles you never really need to. Most of the games people want to play run at the very least fine on them and since modern console generations last so long now, you could easily squeeze 8-10 years out of them. Ps4 is still getting new games even after 11 years on the market. If you bought a ps4 in 2013 and never upgraded, you got your money's worth and then some
Lol 4090 my arse. My 4070 ti super and 14700kf will smoke anything Sony could ever put on the market right now or probably in the long future. God these guys are too much.
Its a type-o
They mean Playstation 50 is better than 4090
Another Sony hardware flop.
Like Cerny like Pony: "New PC build with only a used motherboard = $500 = too much"
Also Cerny Pony: "Used PS5 (which has all used parts) = $300"
This was the only part I bothered commenting on but that video Joe's clipping is strewn with so much of this sh, it's an open sewage stream.
Yeah, that channel is so freaking shady, especially with the whole 'trust me' thing they're trying to get across. Wow! Cuddos to you for going through this whole ish.
i don’t understand why microsoft doesn’t make a multi tasking “console” that’s basically a laptop that can run games and computer software but has what’s needed for the base consumer.
Pc gaming overwhelms a lot of people how chips work how chips work with cooling involved just cause it’s a good chip doesn’t mean it will run well depending on cooling ram and other things
microsoft or xbox should just making a laptop marketed as a console
and try to make the parts that can be upgraded easy to swap in and out
people stay out of pc gaming because they feel the hardware changes so much that they’ll have to swap out their 1000 graphics card in six months
i feel microsoft should go that route imagine a “console” that can function like an i pad, laptop and play games
offer a solution to the problem
So we have console fanboys using Ai pretending they're games journalist outlets now??? Jesus christ......
I'm pretty sure that the quote on quote sources is like, my sources is that I made it the fuck up.
Its funny how the voice only said that people play only on 4k 60fps, thats the dumbest pony assumption that pc is is exactly like ponies and only love graphics
Most pc players would take 1080p 144 fps over 4k 60 fps any day of the week. 60 vs 144 is just such an incredible difference🤣
@@luukherfst1209 Personally, I'll take 1440p over 4K and 1080p, but that's because I find 1440p the perfect middle ground between FPS and Visual Quality.
@@Xyler94you can have 4k and a high frame rate. No need for middle ground with pc
@@luukherfst1209 I think you’re just being a frame rate snob personally. It MAJORLY depends on the game, majorly.
@@Joshy_Poo Name one game where a lower frame rate is better
I need to point out something: they said that if linus needed a used motherboard, they can get a used PS5 for 300$, but if the whole thing can be used we can also get a pc for 300$ with the same performance or better...
hardware and game performance is literally all the pc has.
its more expensive, requires consistent upgrades, requires technical knowledge, troubleshooting broken games.
like, i grew up gaming on a 486 and loved pc gaming for a long time but at a certain point it became unnecessarily intensive to remain a pc player. I'd rather just pop the game into the console and go.
back in the day the most i ever had to do was edit a .bat file to reallocate memory and autorun an overclocker program on startup and that worked to make every spec'ed game run great.
now its "oh check these settings, try changing this to this, update drivers, go to this other folder and edit this file, run it as admin and do 12 other things to make the broken game start and run"
The PC has most all games from xbox and some games from the Ps5. 120 fps to 240 fps all day long on a capable PC!
Imagine if the ps5 pro never came out 🤣
imma laugh like the joker if that happens 😁
@@lowclasswarrior9269 I mean sony themselves never even announced it soooooooo 🤷🏽♂️
@@datboiijuanhtx 💯💯them sony boys onn that copium fr 😵💫😵💫
so glad i went with a steamdeck
It would actually be a shrewd business move to cancel this hardware release. This thing is going to lose a lot of money, and will not sell to any new customers. Can they turn this ship before it hits the iceberg?
This chick forgot one other place to buy stuff, facebook marketplace.
I seen medium-tier PCs for $800 already assembled and ready for purchase.
People seem to forget that the ps5 pro will have an even more magical ssd, which will beat out every pc spec for the next 5 years at least. Checkmate! 😂
Umm, do you know how consoles/pcs work? An SSD won’t run anything faster except installations and load times, not to mention the PS5 already has a fine enough SSD.
Better sell my 4070ti super and grab a ps5.
As a grandfather I'm looking forward to upgrading my PS4Pro to the newer PS5Pro in November.
As I just enjoy playing on a console.
Simple as that...
The PS5 Pro is only a rumor, and no PS6 in sight 😂. PS called Xbox's bluff, and it backfired on them. Xbox has a roadmap of the future. PS has a rumor.
Shoooot, my little 13700k/4070ti-super is easily 4-5x more powerful and capable than a PS5 in 4k!! 😂 Literally not even remotely possible any console can out do a 4090. Sure...maybe in 8-10yrs they might.
Was on PS4-Pro. Low 4k at 25-30fps. Snowrunner running 15-20 small mods would jump to like 10fps. Even no mods, game ran laggy. On my mid PC I'm running Snowrunner at ultra 4k at 117-120fps with almost a 100 mods of tiny size to nearly a gig alone. The latest consoles can't even dream of doing that! AND I've got 100s and 100s of games to pick from too!
4 months ago and the truth came out. Joe, I truly would love to see a video of you coming back to this same video debunking the nonsense with the facts that have come out since.
A 2060S can do 1080P60 with RT on.
Lmmfao. AMD doesnt even have anything in the gpu market that can beat the 4090. lol
Great video dude! Whats the game in the background?
The funny part is that you can still play all modern game on 1060 6gb. It is a 8, almost 9 y.o. budget card
horizon forbidden west runs on my old i5 4690k, gtx970 at 30fps on medium/low settings, and 60fps on gtx1070 on medium/high, but with fsr, ofc 1080p
I want to ask the person that wrote this article how the ps4 or ps5 pioneered Dirext X, when it was first used on PC in 1995 before the ps2 was even out. Make it make sense.
Ps5 pro can finally do 60 fps at 1440p instead of 720p?
I'm rocking a Radeon 6600. I don't need to play all these super competitive and demanding games. I'm more concerned about how much performance I can get out of Devil May Cry. Over 300+ fps, btw.
You can certainly build a ps5 equivalent system (if not better) for $450
Fr?
Then why do gaming PC's cost around 2k from what I hear ?
@@Glitchedpixel5the best pc experience costs 2000 plus but the best console experience is only 350 used
@@Glitchedpixel5because the console zealots have no idea what things actually cost.
I haven’t seen that from any budget builds
NB4 they discover the culture that turns down minimum settings on a 4090 just because frames win games, and maby the game disabels lighting and trees.
13:20 I don't know about a budget build, but a good one with an RX 7600 or RTX 4060 + Ryzen 5500 combo + rest of the build will cost you $565, but then you have to take into account that this is rasterization performance, and the 4060 has DLSS 3 Frame Generation and Reflex, which means that at the end of the day, using the same settings, you can end up having a much higher framerate with lower input latency.
Also, DLSS is much better in the vast majority of games than FSR, which is what consoles are using in most cuerrent gen games, so even when you combine DLSS with Frame Gen turned on you get less artifacts than FSR alone, and because the input latency on consoles is so high you end up with a much lower input latency too. This is why I no longer agree with the argument that consoles have a much lower cost on front. Yeah, you save around $100 (because that first year of PS Plus or Xbox Live/Game Pass for access to online and cloud saves is not free) but you also get a much worst and experience. You don't like the 30 fps on Hellblade 2? Well, with this build you have an option to play it at over 60 fps having the same, if not better visuals and lower input latency. That is not a "match console performance" no more. You can hate on AI all you want, but it is being pretty helpful in a lot of titles lately, and consoles don't have that. FSR isn't AI. The FG they have is only on one single game and it is working really poorly and, with around 120 ms, and you need a 120 hz VRR display to use it.
There are more ps5 versions than ps5 games at this point, just admit the console market is a scam to sell you overpriced garbage pcs.
When they start talking about the specs instead of the games, it's better be pc gaming 🤣
"2 tiny terrabytes"
meanwhile, me sitting on a 20TB HDD.
storage is not expensive. you can easily buy some more if you need... oh wait, we talking about a console ? ah yes... the home of overpriced properitary storage extensions... cry about it.
#PCMR
Theres a gulf in price between fast storage and HDD. Consoles dont even use HDD anymore. Old tech
To be fair, PS5 does have a NVME SSD slot. So you can swap out memory really easily with whatever size ya want. Hell, years ago I even swapped out my HDD in the PS4 Pro to a 2tb 2.5" SSD and it ran easily twice as fast. So it's definitely not hard or super expensive unless the market is just hiked up. Buddy of mine who did buy a PS5 threw in a Silcapower 6tb NVME in like 5min.
But I'm definitely far more happier with my 25tb in my PC Lol
@GrySgtBubba
wow. thats some serious storage there...
personally, i partitioned my storage in two section: one dedicated for games, and the other for utilities... names aside, the utility part is for software, downloaded films, music, etc.
how do you use your storage ? :)
@@GrySgtBubba ya gotta remember, we're comparing nvme with HDD here so its not really fair to compare a 2tb nvme to 20tb of HDD when theres a huge difference in price. Thats all I was getting at
@@chrissyboy7047 I mean, seeing as ssd's only come in 4tb and some 6tb for hundreds of dollars, with like 1 or 2 8tb's coming in at over a grand usd...a $300 20tb hdd doesn't sound bad 🤣 When ssd's come in 10-20tb for round $500...then we can honestly argue ssd's are superior. But 800-1000 bucks for just 8tb is just stupid.
Even A 4070 which is considered a 3080 like performance will struggle to do ray tracing in 1440p in 60 fps what big and bold claim 😭😭😭
Lol 60 frames per second 😂. *laughs in and ryzen 7 7800x 3d and rtx 3080 at 4k 120 fps *
I did recently just decide to upgrade to Xbox series x from one x after my friends on Xbox live hitting me up again so there’s that.
It’s less about the superior hardware and more about the social experience of console gaming, really. The one thing I will give it to Consol gaming for is the fact that it’s a better system if you’re just trying to get online and team up with the Homies.
Consoles are fun too, but only if you're trying to play your favorite games with your friends who are on a different platform.
At 13:20, my response would be how come I can run Miles Morales on high and over 60 fps w/ a 1660. I can’t use ray tracing, but at least it ain’t required to be on by default.