I was searching all over how this underground plumbing is done , this creator exactly exactly explaining all my questions that I had including how they find the pipes under ground and well explained this backup fill valve. Excellent explainer. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel Please don't forget to subscribe I have another super detailed video coming soon In that one I will be doing a full kitchen , bathroom , and laundry set in a basement.
I have been searching for basement plumbing under concrete for the past 4 days. Then, this video came up. They way you walked through the entire process explained every detail. You answered all questions as you went with the video. I have subscribed and added this to my saved video. There isn't any other youtiber that has done such an amazing job in explaining the process.
You just have answered all my questions in that video. You truly are very knowledgeable and thank you for not holding back any of your knowledge. I wish you a success. God bless
Thank you For watching 🙂 i just started another basement and the video will come out in about a month from now that one is gonna contain everything you need to know about basement plumbing.
I was looking for this information so bad, I’ve seen tons of videos but nothing as detail explained as this video, thank you and keep up the good work brother.
This is one of the absolute best-detailed videos on any subject I've ever watched on YT. I found it because I was looking into whether a toilet can be installed in any location of a house (not necessarily in the basement...anywhere for a room addition). I love the details but got VERY afraid when you explained tapping into the city's sewer line. I knew beforehand it is necessary, but I don't want to mess up something like that and have to contact the city. I still love your video; and will look at more and sub.
hello thanks for the kind words and the time you put in to watch this video. im glad it could be a help. i will be uploading alot of new videos very soon. please stay tuned for the finished job.🙂
I believe you are correct as far as venting toilets upstream, I read the code and toilets are the only fixture you can do this on. Thanks for your video, I always like to see if other plumbers have new ideas.
Yes sir , i checked this with 2 master plumbers before making the video. the only thing that this inspector approved is haveing the vent to the outside like that. most other inspectors ask to take the vent pipe all the way to the roof.
Again thanks for watching.I learn alot from youtube and getting comments from professionals is the one thing I really love. specially if i make a mistake i would love to learn the right way of doing it for my future jobs. thanks for the time. 🙂
Hi Mostafa thank you so much that is explained in all the details needed. I have a question a friend of mine wants to install a kitchen in the basement he has experience doing that in a foreign country what would he need here to do such thing? does he need supervision from a certified plumber or can he just watch your video to see how things are done here before working on it? I'm worried he might miss some codes or constraints that we have here in Alberta Thanks once again!
Salam brother Thanks for watching Wallah I have no idea about his work experience and skills. Watch this video and videos like this if he feels comfortable doing it then go right ahead.
@@renovationschool8818 allah ybark fik. he is very confident in what he does but since he's a foreigner as you know there are some canadian plumbing and renovation regulations to obey with.. I've shown him your video and all your channel told him this is your holygrail lol. Do you have a facebook page or something? you know if you'll make an online course a lot of people might be interested
Nice cut into the existing drain. One comment. I'd suggest opening the cleanout when puting the silicone on or pushing it in. to make sure silicone didn't get smooshed into the inside of the pipe, to slow it down. Looks good
Hello good night I love your presentation it was informative and clear well done. I'm a Jamaican and plumbing is my trade if you need a second I'm ready when you say it.
For a small house 900sf2 with one bath and laundry in the garage, can I tie all the vents in the attic to a single vent 3" and direct it out to the highest point of the side of the house so there will be no penetration through the roof since I am planning on installing metal roof?
@@renovationschool8818 thanks for replying. Yes, I know it has to be certain high above the roof (need to check with the city). Maybe vent for the furnace to the other side then to balance the look.
So will you smell sewer gas near that inlet on the outside of the house? If so and that’s undesirable perhaps you can run it up the outside of the house to above the roof line. I’m planning a similar project and was considering going out the side because this home doesn’t have modern venting but I don’t want to smell gas. Just curious if when no water is flowing if gas small will come out. Great job
Thanks a lot for watching and welcome to the channel. I cut that concrete about 1 foot wide this way might shovel fits in there The depth depends on where exactly you're plumbing for the house is located so the debt could be different from house to house.
Thanks for your quick answer. I am also watching your how to waterproof a basement, very useful. I just bought a black color water resistant materials, which is incorrect in my basement case. Thank God, I found your tutorial.@@renovationschool8818
Thanks for the video. I watched many time to understand before before dig the ground I using the same 4 inch white pipe, but I can"t get the 4 inch toilet flange I went to the home depot in Toronto is not available please, where did you buy I try with abs black flange it doesn't fit properly. again Thanks.
Thanks for watching I'd honestly use 3 inch It's better I had this and that's why I used it 3 inch is smaller and you will not have hard time installing the toilet afterwards
Is there a reason you prefer the mainline backflow preventer over the normal? I'm looking into doing the same thing in our basement and wasn't sure which one to purchase. I would have space for the larger mainline but just wanted your thoughts on it.
Nice work and great video. Your voice reminds me of got2learn on youtube. I am trying to do miracles in a friends old house. Thinking of using the existing floor drain to connect the shower drain as that would require minimal concrete busting. Not sure its a great idea I'm trying to find advice. Also could the shower drain be downstream of the toilet?
Yes Normally when the sewer line is higher than the basement floor they install a pump and they connect the plumbing to the pit that the pump is installed onto so all the bathroom waste will be pumped out by that pump.
Hi, I was in middle of a DIY half bathroom renovation. I came across a wet vent for the toilet that gapes across on top of the joist. Is it true that a vent for a toilet is not needed if it’s connected to the stack?
It all depends on how far away from the stock it is And also how many other fixtures are running on that stack. The vent is always needed especially for a toilet if you want this to flush properly. In some basements if it's almost impossible to run a vent from somewhere some municipalities allow a cheat vent it's also called Air admittance valve. It allows the air to travel and go down and work just like a vent . You may be able to use that but just make sure to double check with your city and make sure that they are okay with it especially if you get the job inspected.
You should use whatever is allowed in your local building code. You can call your local city or building department, they will tell you what is needed. Usually abs is more lasting and more doable , it's more flexible compare to abs which is more fragile.
Yes, it's normal. that is earth water and its very common I have seen it many times. you have a sump pump that gets rid of that water under the slab for you. at one job I had so much water that I thought maybe we hit a water line, so-called the city, the city guy came after a few min and tested the water, it was not municipal water, it was the water from the earth.
I talked to the inspector, he said you will need a vent regardless . When I was making the video I was going by what a plumber told me. If the job is spouse to be inspected you will need a vent for sure. At least in Ontario you do.
Nice video very detailed the only thing I noticed is that when you were gluing the pvc pipe you referred to it as abs. Do you have to go with the 4 inch pvc or could you have used abs?
Hi. thanks for the comment. yes you are right , i mistakenly said ABS . I also kept saying wet valve but i meant wet vent. ( im sorry) thanks for watching. Generally speaking 4 inch PVC is used under grade in most cases. i could even use a 3 inch pipe as it meets the building code in my area. if you live in the state, most of the states are fine with PVC pipes in their building code (under and above concrete) . We live in Canada, and Canadian building code is very picky but even they are ok with pvc under grade .Just the above grade pipes are spouse to be ABS as it is required by the building code in most canadian provinces. i hope I answeared your question. please feel free to ask any questions if you needed any info. thanks 🙂
@@renovationschool8818 much appreciated man. I am in Bolton and After watching your video I feel pretty confident on tackling this project at my house.
@@RG-wp2nl youre most welcome. that is my goal to be a help and save you time and money i have tons of other videos coming up , explaing how to finish this basement. start to finish. if you are new please consider subscribing. i will post the videos on how to do the rest of the hot and cold water lines, shower valve, vanity, cabinets and alot more.
thanks for watching 🙂 because its a better quality ,its easier to clean it , there is more room inside it si there is more access to the flap and inside part in case of a big clog or any issues.
@@renovationschool8818 Whats the brand of this valve (with the clear top)? Does it come in 6”? Its interesting that the flap works from the bottom and lifts up
Im sure it comes in different sizes here is a link to the exact product i used , we live in canada thats why the link is from lowes canada www.lowes.ca/product/backflow-preventers-vacuum-breakers/ipex-1-12-in-abs-dwv-backwater-valve-hub-2885658?store_code=3712&cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=11543255263&cq_con=111377415086&cq_term=&cq_med=pla&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_plt=gp&&cm_mmc=paid_search-_-google-_-shopping_aw_lia_generic_storage-_-71700000075235897&gclid=CjwKCAjwpqCZBhAbEiwAa7pXeaUt_ClpHZ-wVabtz2trv07TFYbq8e42oSHc2PtlYkZCkF-QIidGgxoCwS4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Great video very detailed. In my area this isnt legal since the next upstream connection of your wc must be its vent. Where are you located ? Im in Ontario, Canada.
thanks for watching we are also in ontario, This passed the inspection and i have the report , toilet vent can be upstream if its wet vented. before i do the job i called the city inspector and he actually suggested me to do it this way. the vent pipe the went to the outside of the house was extedned all the way to the roof later.
I am a retired plumbing inspector in Ontario. I hate to rain on your parade, but there are a few infractions. Plumbers do not use silicone to seal up plumbing. You have to use the correct fittings. In Part Seven of the Ontario Building Code there is a table that shows the fittings that are acceptable in different positions. Using a double T fitting as a waste fitting for the lavatory and kitchen sink is not correct. I am not here to criticize you personally . I just ran into this video by accident and thought I would look at it. I’m strictly looking at the plumbing and assessing it as I would’ve done when I was working. I’m not sure how much experience the inspector had but I do think they have missed a few items. What you have done will work, but in my opinion does not meet code. One thing I noticed is that the vent on the exterior of the building should be 3 “inch minimum. The change in size to 3” starts from within the warm side of the building. The mainline back water valve is what you should use. Using a flapper style back water valve style does not meet code in this instance. The problem with this flapper style backwater valve is that air cannot circulate from the vent stack or stack vent terminal, which is above the roof through to the municipal sewers. Part of the responsibility of the venting system is to help keep those vents clear of any water or moisture that can accumulate. Without the air flowing it will not be as efficient. It’s the same concept idea as a fireplace where the smoke vents up the chimney. The venting system is there to keep atmospheric pressure equal within the plumbing system. Unequal pressures in the venting system will promote siphonage of the traps. Once the traps are siphoned, sewer gas will be allowed to enter the spaces. When you look at the plumbing systems in Ontario they almost have just as much piping for the venting as they do for the drainage. I know you want to do a good job. The fact you took out a permit and had inspections shows that you’re a conscientious plumber. You took the instructions from the inspector and did what they told you to do. You can’t be faulted for that. You have to be careful. Just because the inspector passes a job it may not pass on an other by a different inspector. If the inspector is giving you bad advice, that’s where the trouble starts. You as a plumber need to know the rules. Most people don’t like to argue with an inspector. If you don’t know the rules well enough, you can’t present your case. That’s why it’s so important for plumbers and inspectors to know the code. Inspectors who are passing plumbing that does not need code creates a lot of problems. In theory the code is for Ontario and it should be enforced the same everywhere. I enjoyed where I worked. All of us plumbing inspectors were licensed plumbers. Some of us were master plumbers. Too bad we don’t have a rule in Ontario that to be a plumbing inspector you need to be a licensed plumber. It would make life much easier for everybody involved.
@repairitdontwreckit4257 Wow I really really really really appreciate the time and energy you put in this comment. You blessed my day with the wise words and all your amazing experience. I'm filming another plumbing video I am sure you will like it and you won't be able to find the smallest flaw in it ☺️. I am so glad this video found you. Thanks alot for the word of wisdom and your amazing comment. Have a wonderful day and may God bless you. ❤️🙏🏻
@@renovationschool8818 Thanks for responding. I am glad that you took my comments in a constructive manner. I look forward to your challenge to do a perfect job. When it’s complete let me know. Thanks. Roger
I had a shower base ( you will see it in the new videos that are coming) i put the shower base on the ground and marked the exact location. if u want to install a custome tiled shower base then the drain can be where ever you want.
Hi Mustafa, i have a question. To connect the shower drain to the main pipe you used ABS pipe, at other underground location you used PVC, is there any particular reason for using ABS here? Also another question, in your layout the toilet is the last connection to the main pipe, Is this just conincedence or this is required by code.
We are located in Ontario Canada, and as of now the building code allows us to use PVC Or ABS pipes underground here , I used PVC because it's cheaper here.
@@renovationschool8818 Iam also in Ontario Canada. So the white 4 " pipes in the video were ABS? I though PVC is white and ABS is black? The sscond question come from something saw online that its better to have the toilet "Y" connection on the mai line to be the last connection made to main pipe. i.e shower and vanity should not connect to the line at a location after the toilet connection.
Sorry, I just edited the last comment, I had someone else typing it for me and I we messed up the answer. It's fixed now. This job was inspected and it was passed by the city. But what you say about the toilet y connection makes sense to me. If u can do it on ur project do it. I normally call a pre-inspection for my jobs at the very beginning of the project and explain what I am gonna do for my plumbing and the rest of the project to the inspector, if he or she is ok with then I do it.
Right of my head, I know more than 6 or 7 projects that have been done this way with the toilet connection before the shower and vanity and they all have been passed at the time of inspection.
@@renovationschool8818 Thnaks alot. I really approcate your reply. This was a big help. By the way i found the building code related to underground pipe materail, it is OBC 7.2.5.10. As per this you can use either material as long as the pipe meets some specficiations.
We live in Canada and anything above grade is supposed to be abs here as a part of the building code The main reason why I did this was because pvc pipes are not common to find here, we mostly have 4 in and 3-in PVC pipes and fittings not much more
Hi Mustafa, I decided to add more to my comments with reference to the Ontario Building Code. I didn’t address everything. I wanted to point out to your viewers that plumbing is a little more complicated than you think. After reading some of the comments I was motivated to share my take on things. All of the material we use for plumbing in Ontario is certified. Sub Section 7.2.5. in the Ontario Building Code pretty well covers it. In Ontario ABS is used in above and below ground DWV in residential. I found if the big box stores sell it is certified. You can check the certification on the pipe with the information in the code. I didn’t talk about the venting. There’s a bunch of different ways to do it. Every job is different with its challenges. That’s why it is so important to know the rules. One thing is not to oversize especially in residential. In a restaurant more clean outs is good. You have grease interceptors, staff putting anything down the sinks and generally heavy usage and abuse of the plumbing. Industrial is the same. So have a read. Let me know what you think. It’s not complete but I think I illustrates why we plumbers have special training, exams and years of practical experience. 7.4.7.1. (6) Every sanitary building drain shall be provided with a clean out fitting as close as practical where the drain leaves the building. In your case you are using the back water valve (BWV)as a clean out also. While it will work I don’t recommend it. A heavy duty drain cleaning cable can damage the internal workings of the flapper. It’s all plastic. It would probably have to be replaced. I would install a clean out downstream of the BWV using a y&45 degree fitting. This makes it much easier to run a cable down the sanitary sewer. 7.4.6.4.(1) A BWV valve that prevents free circulation on a “building” drain or “building sewer” shall not be installed. You can use one that allows free circulation. Go to 7.4.6.4.(2) and it will give you the certification details. Also I the Ontario Building Code you need to go to Division A, Section 1.4 to see all of the definitions which include plumbing. The definitions will explain what is a” building drain” and “building sewer”. The BWV you installed can be used on branches from a building drain providing it is certified. You need to look at the definitions to see what a branch is. Plumbing definitions are just important as knowing all the other rules on how to install plumbing. The code is subtle in the way it is laid out. All definitions are printed in italics. There is a bunch of rules in 7.4.6.4. for BWV. For residential plumbing I would not oversize any of the piping. Part 7 rules for sizing are more than adequate. It’s all about the quality of the installer. Don’t spend the extra money on oversizing. It will not work any better. So the y connection to the 4” “ building drain” can be 3”. The reason it’s 3” is the largest fixture waste pipe is a w.c. (water closet) see 7.4.9.2. Now we can check the size of the drain. Fixture units are assigned to all of the fixtures to determine the size of the waste pipe that is required for that particular fixture and to size the branches and other drains. A 3” drain installed at 1/50 or 1/4” per foot can accommodate 27 fixture units. See Table 7.4.10.8. Now add up the fixtures units. See Table 7.4.9.3. 1-wc = 4 fixture units(fu) 3” pipe 1 shower drain from 1 head= 1-1/2( fu). 1-1/2” pipe 1- lavatory drain using a 1-1/2” trap = 1-1/2( fu) 1-1/2”pipe 1- domestic sink 1-1/2 (fu) = 1-1/2” pipe Total fu=. 3+1.5+1.5+1.5=7.5 fu Maximum fu on a 3” horizontal sanitary drainage pipe is 27. There’s plenty left over. A 4” pipe at 1/50 or 1/4” of slope per foot can handle 240 fixture units. The other thing I want to talk about is the double fitting picking up the kitchen sink and lavatory. Table 7.2.4.5.talks about pipe arrangements and dwv fittings. You can use a double tee or a double waste fitting if the vertical run is 3” or larger and the branches are no larger than 2”. The table does a good job of showing these rules. There is a bunch of rules for installing a vent on the outside of a building. Look at sentence 7.5.6.5.(3). In short the vent is required to be 3” size. If the building is 4 “storeys” or less in height the vent terminal shall extend above the roof. When supporting the underground piping using pieces of concrete is not the best. Appendix A in part 7 has some great drawings to help you decide what works the best and generally acceptable by the industry. The general rule is use select bedding material. A non cohesive ballast material. 50% will pass through a 1/4” sieve and 100% thru a 1/2 sieve. Put 4”to 6” underneath and surround the pipe with 4”. In the real world I didn’t see this used much inside. Outside underground with vehicle traffic it was a must. Also the type of pipe can affect the pipe support. Manufacturers of pipe will tell you want they recommend for there products. I think inside on a bed of pea gravel would work just fine. In your case there is very little weight from the back fill on top of it. I would backfill with the smaller material you took out and not bother with larger pieces on broken concrete. Since I’m retired my code book is outdated. The code references should be good though.
Wow you are an angel. I really appreciate the time that you put into educating us and making this comment. I truly appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. Thanks a million for your attention and your time. May God bless you beyond imagination.🙏🏻❤️
We have a lot of new rules and regulations for new houses also . Inspectors are not that picky with these very very old houses . This house is over 80 years old and there are many things in it that are not going to meet today's building code.
The dry vent connection upstream of your kitchen drain wouldn't be allowed, at least in Wisconsin anyway. That would have to connect downstream and above the horizontal centerline. 382.31(15)(b)1.
Thanks for the comment This was an extremely old house The inspector made comments but the ceiling Heights were so very low and he just approved and shook his head. I really appreciate the comment.
how much silicon did you get inside the pipe? Next time just apply silicone to the outside of the adapter and then fill your gaps...it's Just drainage. silicon inside the pipe is Not good unless you like snaking drains. You could have cut the hub of that fitting and used a fernco....They also have fernco style adapters for clay at Emco. Where in Windsor are you and what are you avg quoting bathroom reno's?
It's called a wet venting When u do wet venting and use 2inch pipes for the shower and vanity specific vent for every fixture is not needed. Do some research on wet venting
I have been plumbing in the US for a long time and I have a master license. Unless I am missing something, the vent serving the toilet always has to be downstream of the fixture.
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I was searching all over how this underground plumbing is done , this creator exactly exactly explaining all my questions that I had including how they find the pipes under ground and well explained this backup fill valve. Excellent explainer. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel
Please don't forget to subscribe
I have another super detailed video coming soon
In that one I will be doing a full kitchen , bathroom , and laundry set in a basement.
I have been searching for basement plumbing under concrete for the past 4 days. Then, this video came up.
They way you walked through the entire process explained every detail. You answered all questions as you went with the video. I have subscribed and added this to my saved video. There isn't any other youtiber that has done such an amazing job in explaining the process.
Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
@@renovationschool8818 Also, instead of PVC, can I use ABS pipes for below grade?
Yeah, this video is getting a subscribe. This is gold. Straight to the point, no B.S., walking up though the process.... very much appreciated, sir.
Thanks for watching 🙂 and welcome to the channel.
This is the Best video on plumbing I have seen. Clear, concise and fully inclusive! Thank you very much! You are a master of your trade!👍🙏
Thanks e million for watching 🙂
You just have answered all my questions in that video. You truly are very knowledgeable and thank you for not holding back any of your knowledge. I wish you a success. God bless
Thanks for watching brother 😊
I’ve been looking for a video like this for weeks. Thank you for making this. ❤
Thank you For watching 🙂 i just started another basement and the video will come out in about a month from now
that one is gonna contain everything you need to know about basement plumbing.
I was looking for this information so bad, I’ve seen tons of videos but nothing as detail explained as this video, thank you and keep up the good work brother.
Thank you
🙂 im glad it wad a help .
You make great videos man, keep it up. No one has really gone into detail like you have. Good job
I've been looking for video like this for awhile. Well explained, you are amazing.
This is one of the absolute best-detailed videos on any subject I've ever watched on YT. I found it because I was looking into whether a toilet can be installed in any location of a house (not necessarily in the basement...anywhere for a room addition). I love the details but got VERY afraid when you explained tapping into the city's sewer line. I knew beforehand it is necessary, but I don't want to mess up something like that and have to contact the city.
I still love your video; and will look at more and sub.
hello
thanks for the kind words and the time you put in to watch this video. im glad it could be a help. i will be uploading alot of new videos very soon. please stay tuned for the finished job.🙂
Wow! Best ever detailed instructions! You would make an excellent trade school instructor! Thanks.
Thanks a million for the support and the kind words 😊
Wow you showed and explained in much more details the design aspects. I really enjoyed the video!!!
Thanks for watching 🙂
You are going to be a very successful youtuber and an amazing renovator star ! I guarantee
Thanks for the support 🙂
I believe you are correct as far as venting toilets upstream, I read the code and toilets are the only fixture you can do this on. Thanks for your video, I always like to see if other plumbers have new ideas.
Yes sir , i checked this with 2 master plumbers before making the video.
the only thing that this inspector approved is haveing the vent to the outside like that. most other inspectors ask to take the vent pipe all the way to the roof.
Again thanks for watching.I learn alot from youtube and getting comments from professionals is the one thing I really love. specially if i make a mistake i would love to learn the right way of doing it for my future jobs. thanks for the time. 🙂
Great video mang! Alot of awesome info 💥💥
Great video. Your work looks good and I appreciate your detailed explanations.
Thanks for watching 😊
Hi Mustafa i am also from windsor . Great to see detailed video like this. Learned a lot from this .
Thanks for watching brother
Hi Mostafa thank you so much that is explained in all the details needed.
I have a question a friend of mine wants to install a kitchen in the basement he has experience doing that in a foreign country what would he need here to do such thing? does he need supervision from a certified plumber or can he just watch your video to see how things are done here before working on it? I'm worried he might miss some codes or constraints that we have here in Alberta
Thanks once again!
Salam brother
Thanks for watching
Wallah I have no idea about his work experience and skills.
Watch this video and videos like this if he feels comfortable doing it then go right ahead.
@@renovationschool8818 allah ybark fik. he is very confident in what he does but since he's a foreigner as you know there are some canadian plumbing and renovation regulations to obey with.. I've shown him your video and all your channel told him this is your holygrail lol.
Do you have a facebook page or something? you know if you'll make an online course a lot of people might be interested
Thank you very much. That was detailed and professional. I learned a lot
Thanks for watching 🙂
Nice cut into the existing drain. One comment. I'd suggest opening the cleanout when puting the silicone on or pushing it in. to make sure silicone didn't get smooshed into the inside of the pipe, to slow it down. Looks good
That's a pretty amazing idea actually
Thanks for watching 😊
Wow that cement work was impressive. I know thats hardly the point but wow just looked good to me!
Thanks for watching 🙂
This is an awesome and detailed explination. But did i miss why you swotched from pvc to abs pipe?
Thank you Mostafa for thus video. It was very helpful before my new project.
I really appreciated.
Peace
You're most welcome
I'm glad I could be a help.
All the best. God bless you.
in newer houses are all basement floor drains connected to the sanitary or storm drain? in ontario
Sanitary
Hello good night I love your presentation it was informative and clear well done. I'm a Jamaican and plumbing is my trade if you need a second I'm ready when you say it.
thanks a million for watching and welcome to the channel
Where are you located?
Very good info! Ordered a back low after watching!
Thanks for watching 🙂
For a small house 900sf2 with one bath and laundry in the garage, can I tie all the vents in the attic to a single vent 3" and direct it out to the highest point of the side of the house so there will be no penetration through the roof since I am planning on installing metal roof?
Yes
As long as there is not a window close to it
Or you can raise it higher than the roof once it's outside the house.
@@renovationschool8818 thanks for replying. Yes, I know it has to be certain high above the roof (need to check with the city). Maybe vent for the furnace to the other side then to balance the look.
So will you smell sewer gas near that inlet on the outside of the house? If so and that’s undesirable perhaps you can run it up the outside of the house to above the roof line. I’m planning a similar project and was considering going out the side because this home doesn’t have modern venting but I don’t want to smell gas. Just curious if when no water is flowing if gas small will come out. Great job
I honestly don't smell any gas there but it's always better to run it all the way to the roof if possible.
Great video, I've learned a lot. Thank you! I am curious what is the concrete cut width and depth for a 4" pipe?
Thanks a lot for watching and welcome to the channel.
I cut that concrete about 1 foot wide this way might shovel fits in there
The depth depends on where exactly you're plumbing for the house is located so the debt could be different from house to house.
Thanks for your quick answer. I am also watching your how to waterproof a basement, very useful. I just bought a black color water resistant materials, which is incorrect in my basement case. Thank God, I found your tutorial.@@renovationschool8818
great instruction and very thorough. Thank you for your dedication. 👍
Thanks for watching
Is the sound quieter in ABS or PVC for the above ground drainage?
I think ABS
It's more dense
That’s is a professional work your are the Master..
Thanks for watching 😊 and welcome to my channel
Excellent video. Thanks!
This guys is good and very detail thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching 😊
Thanks for the video. I watched many time to understand before before dig the ground I using the same 4 inch white pipe, but I can"t get the 4 inch toilet flange I went to the home depot in Toronto is not available please, where did you buy I try with abs black flange it doesn't fit properly. again Thanks.
Thanks for watching
I'd honestly use 3 inch
It's better
I had this and that's why I used it
3 inch is smaller and you will not have hard time installing the toilet afterwards
Love this video and your other videos. You’ve gained a happy new sub.
Thanks for the comment.
welcome to the channel 🙂
Thank you, finally a good explanation.
Hello, great video. Why did you vent outside the house, and not on the roof? I am from Windsor also. I didn’t know you could vent so low
It has to go all the way to the roof
It was temporarily done this way till we moved it all the way up to the roof for our final inspection.
Is there a reason you prefer the mainline backflow preventer over the normal? I'm looking into doing the same thing in our basement and wasn't sure which one to purchase. I would have space for the larger mainline but just wanted your thoughts on it.
If u have the space id use the bigger type.
It's better and easier to clean.
this guy is a pro, no bs,
Thanks for watching 🙂
Great video... excellent tips and great explanation... awesome job.
Thanks for watching 🙂 welcome to the channel
@@renovationschool8818 most welcome, keep up the good work
Nice work and great video.
Your voice reminds me of got2learn on youtube.
I am trying to do miracles in a friends old house.
Thinking of using the existing floor drain to connect the shower drain as that would require minimal concrete busting. Not sure its a great idea I'm trying to find advice.
Also could the shower drain be downstream of the toilet?
Yes it can depending on the location
@@renovationschool8818 So depends on local Code. And I would need a dedicated
vent also if I understand correctly. Thanks!
@@okkrom exactly
how do you protect the pipe behind the studs from freezing, did you do a video related to this
It won't freeze . I put alot of insulation and filled up the area behind the studs with lots of insulation
Awsome video you hit it right on the head 💯🙏🏽
Great video. Why no P Trap for the toilet?
Thanks for watching
Because the actual toilets come with a p trap. Next time you see the toilet pay attention you will see it.
This is great, thank you and I look forward to more.
Thanks for watching
did you install any type of cleanup
Mustafa, what if your line is above grade? You do the sane thing but run the bathroom/kitchen into a pump to pump up to connect to the main line?
Yes
Normally when the sewer line is higher than the basement floor they install a pump and they connect the plumbing to the pit that the pump is installed onto so all the bathroom waste will be pumped out by that pump.
Great video, very informative. I’m surprised your channel isn’t bigger. Subbed.
Thanks for watching and the support.
im very new to youtube
theres alot of new videos on the way. im sure ill get more subs soon. 🙂
Hi, I was in middle of a DIY half bathroom renovation. I came across a wet vent for the toilet that gapes across on top of the joist. Is it true that a vent for a toilet is not needed if it’s connected to the stack?
It all depends on how far away from the stock it is
And also how many other fixtures are running on that stack.
The vent is always needed especially for a toilet if you want this to flush properly.
In some basements if it's almost impossible to run a vent from somewhere some municipalities allow a cheat vent it's also called Air admittance valve. It allows the air to travel and go down and work just like a vent . You may be able to use that but just make sure to double check with your city and make sure that they are okay with it especially if you get the job inspected.
Amigo ,what is better plumbing drain line,? abs or PVC, I'm in salt lake city Utah
You should use whatever is allowed in your local building code. You can call your local city or building department, they will tell you what is needed.
Usually abs is more lasting and more doable , it's more flexible compare to abs which is more fragile.
I found little water in the ground among existing gravel of my basement after digging concrete for bathroom, is it normal?
Yes, it's normal.
that is earth water and its very common
I have seen it many times.
you have a sump pump that gets rid of that water under the slab for you. at one job I had so much water that I thought maybe we hit a water line, so-called the city, the city guy came after a few min and tested the water, it was not municipal water, it was the water from the earth.
Great video, keep this up Bro!
Brilliant! love to watch and learn
Welcome to my channel Roberto thanks for watching🙂
Hi dear, tolet tube can I you 2 inches or just same you need 4 inches?
Hi
Minimum pipe size for a toilet is 3 inch , it can not be smaller than that
@@renovationschool8818 what size I need for washing machine?
For clothing washing machine 2 inch is required
Question you did framing after and plumbing first is that ok?
I have very much similar project in Kw area. Only issue with me he I have foundation wall in between the main stack or drain line.
Yes
I did the back wall first so that I have a reference for my measurements after that I finished the framing
What tool did you use that had the water saw cutting?
It's a tile saw
A small circular wet saw
U can buy one from harbor freight or rent one from home depot
@@renovationschool8818 4 1/2 inch diameter? I can’t find any with this water attachment other than a ryobi
So, If you used a 4" pvc you don't have to need a vent, I really appreciate if you can answer to me.
I talked to the inspector, he said you will need a vent regardless . When I was making the video I was going by what a plumber told me. If the job is spouse to be inspected you will need a vent for sure. At least in Ontario you do.
Can we use a white pvc pipe under Concrete in the basement in toronto?
Yes
SO SDR 35 PVC IS FINE TO USE
@hammadbukhari4714
If that's what you buy from home depot and Lowe's and all plumbing supplies in Ontario yes.
Thanx for your help
@hammadbukhari4714 you're most welcome , thanks for watching
Nice video very detailed the only thing I noticed is that when you were gluing the pvc pipe you referred to it as abs. Do you have to go with the 4 inch pvc or could you have used abs?
Hi. thanks for the comment.
yes you are right , i mistakenly said ABS . I also kept saying wet valve but i meant wet vent. ( im sorry) thanks for watching.
Generally speaking 4 inch PVC is used under grade in most cases.
i could even use a 3 inch pipe as it meets the building code in my area.
if you live in the state, most of the states are fine with PVC pipes in their building code (under and above concrete) . We live in Canada, and Canadian building code is very picky but even they are ok with pvc under grade .Just the above grade pipes are spouse to be ABS as it is required by the building code in most canadian provinces.
i hope I answeared your question. please feel free to ask any questions if you needed any info. thanks 🙂
@@renovationschool8818 much appreciated man. I am in Bolton and After watching your video I feel pretty confident on tackling this project at my house.
@@RG-wp2nl youre most welcome.
that is my goal to be a help and save you time and money
i have tons of other videos coming up , explaing how to finish this basement. start to finish. if you are new please consider subscribing. i will post the videos on how to do the rest of the hot and cold water lines, shower valve, vanity, cabinets and alot more.
Why do you prefer the other backflow valve?
thanks for watching 🙂
because its a better quality ,its easier to clean it , there is more room inside it si there is more access to the flap and inside part in case of a big clog or any issues.
@@renovationschool8818 Whats the brand of this valve (with the clear top)? Does it come in 6”? Its interesting that the flap works from the bottom and lifts up
Im sure it comes in different sizes
here is a link to the exact product i used , we live in canada thats why the link is from lowes canada
www.lowes.ca/product/backflow-preventers-vacuum-breakers/ipex-1-12-in-abs-dwv-backwater-valve-hub-2885658?store_code=3712&cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=11543255263&cq_con=111377415086&cq_term=&cq_med=pla&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_plt=gp&&cm_mmc=paid_search-_-google-_-shopping_aw_lia_generic_storage-_-71700000075235897&gclid=CjwKCAjwpqCZBhAbEiwAa7pXeaUt_ClpHZ-wVabtz2trv07TFYbq8e42oSHc2PtlYkZCkF-QIidGgxoCwS4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
@@johnkim1656 the flap must open that way so after the water clears the gravity can pull it down. its the same on all of them
Great video very detailed. In my area this isnt legal since the next upstream connection of your wc must be its vent. Where are you located ? Im in
Ontario, Canada.
thanks for watching
we are also in ontario, This passed the inspection and i have the report , toilet vent can be upstream if its wet vented. before i do the job i called the city inspector and he actually suggested me to do it this way. the vent pipe the went to the outside of the house was extedned all the way to the roof later.
I am a retired plumbing inspector in Ontario. I hate to rain on your parade, but there are a few infractions. Plumbers do not use silicone to seal up plumbing. You have to use the correct fittings. In Part Seven of the Ontario Building Code there is a table that shows the fittings that are acceptable in different positions. Using a double T fitting as a waste fitting for the lavatory and kitchen sink is not correct. I am not here to criticize you personally . I just ran into this video by accident and thought I would look at it. I’m strictly looking at the plumbing and assessing it as I would’ve done when I was working. I’m not sure how much experience the inspector had but I do think they have missed a few items. What you have done will work, but in my opinion does not meet code. One thing I noticed is that the vent on the exterior of the building should be 3 “inch minimum. The change in size to 3” starts from within the warm side of the building. The mainline back water valve is what you should use. Using a flapper style back water valve style does not meet code in this instance. The problem with this flapper style backwater valve is that air cannot circulate from the vent stack or stack vent terminal, which is above the roof through to the municipal sewers. Part of the responsibility of the venting system is to help keep those vents clear of any water or moisture that can accumulate. Without the air flowing it will not be as efficient. It’s the same concept idea as a fireplace where the smoke vents up the chimney. The venting system is there to keep atmospheric pressure equal within the plumbing system. Unequal pressures in the venting system will promote siphonage of the traps. Once the traps are siphoned, sewer gas will be allowed to enter the spaces. When you look at the plumbing systems in Ontario they almost have just as much piping for the venting as they do for the drainage. I know you want to do a good job. The fact you took out a permit and had inspections shows that you’re a conscientious plumber. You took the instructions from the inspector and did what they told you to do. You can’t be faulted for that. You have to be careful. Just because the inspector passes a job it may not pass on an other by a different inspector. If the inspector is giving you bad advice, that’s where the trouble starts. You as a plumber need to know the rules. Most people don’t like to argue with an inspector. If you don’t know the rules well enough, you can’t present your case. That’s why it’s so important for plumbers and inspectors to know the code. Inspectors who are passing plumbing that does not need code creates a lot of problems. In theory the code is for Ontario and it should be enforced the same everywhere. I enjoyed where I worked. All of us plumbing inspectors were licensed plumbers. Some of us were master plumbers. Too bad we don’t have a rule in Ontario that to be a plumbing inspector you need to be a licensed plumber. It would make life much easier for everybody involved.
@repairitdontwreckit4257
Wow
I really really really really appreciate the time and energy you put in this comment. You blessed my day with the wise words and all your amazing experience. I'm filming another plumbing video I am sure you will like it and you won't be able to find the smallest flaw in it ☺️. I am so glad this video found you.
Thanks alot for the word of wisdom and your amazing comment. Have a wonderful day and may God bless you. ❤️🙏🏻
@@renovationschool8818 Thanks for responding. I am glad that you took my comments in a constructive manner. I look forward to your challenge to do a perfect job. When it’s complete let me know. Thanks. Roger
@repairitdontwreckit4257 for sure. I will. Thanks a bunch for watching again 🙂
Nicely Explained….How to see your all videos until full completion / Final finishing….
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Please your video is educative. Thanks
Are you in Florida?
Nope
We are in Windsor Ontario canada
You only made the opening in the concrete the width of the shovel?
Yes sir
How do you know where the placement of your shower drain should be marked?
I had a shower base ( you will see it in the new videos that are coming) i put the shower base on the ground and marked the exact location.
if u want to install a custome tiled shower base then the drain can be where ever you want.
when you say "code" are you referring to american or canadian code?
Hi Mustafa, i have a question. To connect the shower drain to the main pipe you used ABS pipe, at other underground location you used PVC, is there any particular reason for using ABS here?
Also another question, in your layout the toilet is the last connection to the main pipe, Is this just conincedence or this is required by code.
We are located in Ontario Canada, and as of now the building code allows us to use PVC Or ABS pipes underground here , I used PVC because it's cheaper here.
@@renovationschool8818 Iam also in Ontario Canada. So the white 4 " pipes in the video were ABS? I though PVC is white and ABS is black?
The sscond question come from something saw online that its better to have the toilet "Y" connection on the mai line to be the last connection made to main pipe. i.e shower and vanity should not connect to the line at a location after the toilet connection.
Sorry, I just edited the last comment, I had someone else typing it for me and I we messed up the answer. It's fixed now.
This job was inspected and it was passed by the city. But what you say about the toilet y connection makes sense to me. If u can do it on ur project do it. I normally call a pre-inspection for my jobs at the very beginning of the project and explain what I am gonna do for my plumbing and the rest of the project to the inspector, if he or she is ok with then I do it.
Right of my head, I know more than 6 or 7 projects that have been done this way with the toilet connection before the shower and vanity and they all have been passed at the time of inspection.
@@renovationschool8818 Thnaks alot. I really approcate your reply. This was a big help. By the way i found the building code related to underground pipe materail, it is OBC 7.2.5.10. As per this you can use either material as long as the pipe meets some specficiations.
Hi.mustafa I'll surprised to see your video,l''ll like this leaned a lot from this.
Thanks a million for watching 😊
Thank you, very nice explanations
Thank you for watching
Why did u change to abs for the shower drain
We live in Canada and anything above grade is supposed to be abs here as a part of the building code
The main reason why I did this was because pvc pipes are not common to find here, we mostly have 4 in and 3-in PVC pipes and fittings not much more
@@renovationschool8818 OK across the water we use sch 40 pvc some places use sch 30 which is thinner.
Makes sense now
What type of water pipes are required over canada.what did u use fir this application.also I prefer pex type a upnor or expansion type fittings.
I used PEX as well
I don't like the PEX A so ( expansion type) so I used PEX B
Hi Mustafa,
I decided to add more to my comments with reference to the Ontario Building Code. I didn’t address everything. I wanted to point out to your viewers that plumbing is a little more complicated than you think. After reading some of the comments I was motivated to share my take on things. All of the material we use for plumbing in Ontario is certified. Sub Section 7.2.5. in the Ontario Building Code pretty well covers it. In Ontario ABS is used in above and below ground DWV in residential. I found if the big box stores sell it is certified. You can check the certification on the pipe with the information in the code.
I didn’t talk about the venting. There’s a bunch of different ways to do it. Every job is different with its challenges. That’s why it is so important to know the rules. One thing is not to oversize especially in residential. In a restaurant more clean outs is good. You have grease interceptors, staff putting anything down the sinks and generally heavy usage and abuse of the plumbing. Industrial is the same.
So have a read. Let me know what you think. It’s not complete but I think I illustrates why we plumbers have special training, exams and years of practical experience.
7.4.7.1. (6) Every sanitary building drain shall be provided with a clean out fitting as close as practical where the drain leaves the building. In your case you are using the back water valve (BWV)as a clean out also. While it will work I don’t recommend it. A heavy duty drain cleaning cable can damage the internal workings of the flapper. It’s all plastic. It would probably have to be replaced. I would install a clean out downstream of the BWV using a y&45 degree fitting. This makes it much easier to run a cable down the sanitary sewer.
7.4.6.4.(1) A BWV valve that prevents free circulation on a “building” drain or “building sewer” shall not be installed. You can use one that allows free circulation. Go to 7.4.6.4.(2) and it will give you the certification details.
Also I the Ontario Building Code you need to go to Division A, Section 1.4 to see all of the definitions which include plumbing. The definitions will explain what is a” building drain” and “building sewer”. The BWV you installed can be used on branches from a building drain providing it is certified. You need to look at the definitions to see what a branch is. Plumbing definitions are just important as knowing all the other rules on how to install plumbing. The code is subtle in the way it is laid out. All definitions are printed in italics. There is a bunch of rules in 7.4.6.4. for BWV.
For residential plumbing I would not oversize any of the piping. Part 7 rules for sizing are more than adequate. It’s all about the quality of the installer. Don’t spend the extra money on oversizing. It will not work any better. So the y connection to the 4” “ building drain” can be 3”. The reason it’s 3” is the largest fixture waste pipe is a w.c. (water closet) see 7.4.9.2.
Now we can check the size of the drain. Fixture units are assigned to all of the fixtures to determine the size of the waste pipe that is required for that particular fixture and to size the branches and other drains. A 3” drain installed at 1/50 or 1/4” per foot can accommodate 27 fixture units. See Table 7.4.10.8.
Now add up the fixtures units. See Table 7.4.9.3.
1-wc = 4 fixture units(fu) 3” pipe
1 shower drain from 1 head= 1-1/2( fu). 1-1/2” pipe
1- lavatory drain using a 1-1/2” trap = 1-1/2( fu) 1-1/2”pipe
1- domestic sink 1-1/2 (fu) = 1-1/2” pipe
Total fu=. 3+1.5+1.5+1.5=7.5 fu
Maximum fu on a 3” horizontal sanitary drainage pipe is 27. There’s plenty left over. A 4” pipe at 1/50 or 1/4” of slope per foot can handle 240 fixture units.
The other thing I want to talk about is the double fitting picking up the kitchen sink and lavatory. Table 7.2.4.5.talks about pipe arrangements and dwv fittings. You can use a double tee or a double waste fitting if the vertical run is 3” or larger and the branches are no larger than 2”. The table does a good job of showing these rules.
There is a bunch of rules for installing a vent on the outside of a building. Look at sentence 7.5.6.5.(3). In short the vent is required to be 3” size. If the building is 4 “storeys” or less in height the vent terminal shall extend above the roof.
When supporting the underground piping using pieces of concrete is not the best. Appendix A in part 7 has some great drawings to help you decide what works the best and generally acceptable by the industry. The general rule is use select bedding material. A non cohesive ballast material. 50% will pass through a 1/4” sieve and 100% thru a 1/2 sieve. Put 4”to 6” underneath and surround the pipe with 4”. In the real world I didn’t see this used much inside. Outside underground with vehicle traffic it was a must. Also the type of pipe can affect the pipe support. Manufacturers of pipe will tell you want they recommend for there products. I think inside on a bed of pea gravel would work just fine. In your case there is very little weight from the back fill on top of it. I would backfill with the smaller material you took out and not bother with larger pieces on broken concrete.
Since I’m retired my code book is outdated. The code references should be good though.
Wow you are an angel. I really appreciate the time that you put into educating us and making this comment. I truly appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. Thanks a million for your attention and your time. May God bless you beyond imagination.🙏🏻❤️
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Don’t forget to disconnect weeping tiles from main line when installing back flow preventer
Thanks very good information brother
Thanks for watching 😊
The gas from the toilet is venting under a window ?
That window does not open .
There other side of this house has bigger windows that open and close.
Hey are you in the New York area? Orange County area?
Hi
No I'm in Windsor Ontario canada
Nice work, my only concern is the siliconed joint over time
Thanks for watching 😊
What about the seliconed corner?
do you do any work in florida?
I would love to if u pay for my ticket ☺️🎫
@@renovationschool8818 where are you located
Windsor Ontario Canada
We are at the border of Detroit Michigan
@@renovationschool8818 when its time for us to start building next year i will keep you posted.. what is the number to reach you
@@shenoyglobal 519-890-9031
Salam Mustapha, do you live in Massachusetts?
salam , no i live in windsor ontario , in canada
@@renovationschool8818 I like what you do, I wish if you live closer, need to hire somebody to do my bathroom in my basement
Thanks for watching brother
@@renovationschool8818 you are welcome brother
Thank you good job berry helpful
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Where are you from
Windsor , Ontario . Canada
It's a city at the border of detroit
Nice tutorial
Thanks for watching 🙂
In cal the vent can not terminate below a window it has to be 10' away from a window. Clay can not be under the house 3' past the foundation.
We have a lot of new rules and regulations for new houses also .
Inspectors are not that picky with these very very old houses . This house is over 80 years old and there are many things in it that are not going to meet today's building code.
The dry vent connection upstream of your kitchen drain wouldn't be allowed, at least in Wisconsin anyway. That would have to connect downstream and above the horizontal centerline. 382.31(15)(b)1.
Thanks for the comment
This was an extremely old house
The inspector made comments but the ceiling Heights were so very low and he just approved and shook his head.
I really appreciate the comment.
u in Canada ?
Yes
how much silicon did you get inside the pipe? Next time just apply silicone to the outside of the adapter and then fill your gaps...it's Just drainage. silicon inside the pipe is Not good unless you like snaking drains. You could have cut the hub of that fitting and used a fernco....They also have fernco style adapters for clay at Emco. Where in Windsor are you and what are you avg quoting bathroom reno's?
In my area you would have had to add two more vents. Your we makes much more sense.
Thanks for watching 😊
VERY thorough. Sub'd
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel 🙂
so you use abs pipe instead of pvc pipe because is what you have available
It's Canadian building code also. Anything above grade has to be ABS . U can use PVC under grade.
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how tall are you? that joist looks like its only 5 in off your head? that is either a short ceiling or you are like 7 feet tall.
Haha it's a combination of both I am 6'- 2" inches tall and the ceiling was 6'-7" so it was only 5 inches higher than me. Thanks for watching. 😊
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What's inches?
How to make selling fan fiting and wareing
Ok
I'll make a video for that 😉
where is the vent for the water closet and the shower trap?
It's called a wet venting
When u do wet venting and use 2inch pipes for the shower and vanity specific vent for every fixture is not needed.
Do some research on wet venting
I have been plumbing in the US for a long time and I have a master license. Unless I am missing something, the vent serving the toilet always has to be downstream of the fixture.
Thanks for watching , what you say totally makes sense , this was inspected and i have passed report!
We live in Canada and it's code here in Ontario to use ABS only Above grade.
@Peyman500 Mo thanks for watching 🙂
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