I think, as many people have pointed out already, that "We don't have consciousness before our birth" is an absurd notion simply because consciousness and memory are not identical. Linked, but not identical. Just look at dreams, you are what you can call conscious or semi-conscious for most of your dreaming periods, yet you do not remember most of them - if any - shortly after you wake up. Being conscious or not before birth might very well be speculated to be akin to this.
Yes. My thinking exactly. Because you do not recall something, does not mean there was nothing to recall. For example, if I say to someone, " What did you have for dinner 274 days ago and did it rain at all that evening?", they will not remember. That does not mean they did not have dinner that evening. Birth is far longer ago so to not recall what may have occurred before birth is very understandable.
Not only that: When we dream, we have no power over what happens in our dreams. This might just be a dream compared to the possible reality that awaits us when we pass. We have a very little to say, because we do not have the real power to know our future in this reality, so this reality in relation to a dream, might very well be comparable in relation to "the next" reality.
I've been watching Robert's "Closer to Truth" series now for quite a while . . . long enough to have seen most of them. Although they are all thought-provoking, you have to keep in mind that Robert is approaching each topic from a physicalist-reductionist bias, which always comes across in the interviews. The "we don't have consciousness before our birth" comment is a good example.
We also didn't have digestion before we were born. There was digestion, but it was someone elses, not ours. Consciousness is the same, in is a process performed by our brain, as digestion is performed by our gut
How he said “ I’m not interested in my personal opinion, it does not matter....what I’m able to comment own is on what we have evidence for, for which there is DATA, there have been research studies carried out....” is the energy we need in 2021 to survive.
There is probably a very good reason he doesn't share his personal opinion. Of course he does have a personal opnion, everybody does but in a scientific materialist world if a person says something they can't prove that hey are scoffed and mocked for doing so. To many the universe started with a big bang and some say it came from absolutely nothing. Religion says God did it, you can't provecit so that is called rubbish however everyone has notions of what God may or may not be. Nikola Tesla said the secret of the universe is energy,vibration and frequency, according to Einstien energy and mass are interchangeable and energy can't be created or destroyed. My point is this, if this is the case then energy must be eternal and outside of space and time, perhaps all there really is is eternal energy and consciousness, some belief the material world is an illusion and that the only true reality is consciousness. There are more questions than scientific answers.
Indeed, there is a mountain of data. Like 40 years worth at the University of Virginia School of Medicine, Division of Perceptual Studies - to name just one.
No just open up the bible, the truth is all there! Everything else is the work of the devil, trying to lead you away from the teachings of our god Jesus Christ!
@@_Billy_Pilgrim how much of that mountain is several hours after "death"? He was a bit imprecise with his words. He clearly says death is a process. We don't know what happens to consciousness hours after death where the brain cells are all dead.
It's a big mistake to say that we have no consciousness before birth. You have no idea about that, because you can't remember. We know for sure that we are conscious when we are born, but we can't remember that either. Do you remember your birth? Just because you don't doesn't mean it didn't happen and that you weren't conscious when it did.
@@Jda1101 It was during the time you could remember it. Maybe after that memory fades it doesn't matter anymore. We could have lived millions of different lives before this in millions of identical consecutive universes and not know it at all.
You don’t remember the birth and most of your early childhood because the brain was being formed. At least that’s how I view it. I hate to think about reincarnation as it means if there is life after this one, I will never meet again my loved ones who passed away..
I have no beliefs either way here, but I like the panpsychist idea of consciousness as a spectrum: complex brains having higher levels of awareness, from humans to apes to mice to insects to bacteria ... Anecdotal evidence also suggests we can raise consciousness further through meditation, psychedelics, NDEs (early baptism? ), even intense prayer and fasting. Many people who achieve these states return with a life-changing belief in some kind of ineffable, infinite oneness, albeit interpreted via cultural references. Whether this is delusional, we may never know, but it shouldn't be ignored.
I am very skeptical of anecdotal evidence. As you said, these brain states shouldn't be ignored but to conclude, CONCLUDE!, LIFE AFTER DEATH? Gimme a break.
Well, the moment you watch a video that takes the materialist view of existence, you can dismiss it as horseshyt. Matter doesn't exist and science is slowly and reluctantly coming out the closet and admitting it. Donald Hoffman (conscious agents), Rupert Spira, Swami Sarvapriyananda (realizing non-duality) are good places to start. With a heavy dose of Upanishad teaching, you'll come to realize the inevitable. All that exists is the mind of gawd. All "things" are mere appearances in the mind of gawd. All questions you can think to ask, Upanishads have answered thousands of years ago. Why is there suffering? Gawd doesn't know suffering. To understand that answer, you'll have to be walked through it step by step.
@@josephshawa tell that to skeptics who returned from an NDE believing in an afterlife. the most fascinating thing is those people who left their bodies whilst in cardiac arrest and they were able to see things whilst suspended from above and watch their own resuscitation and then were able to verify exactly what they saw, which was later proven to be accurate. now stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
This is arguably one of the most logical discussions on life after death. Parnia was transparent when he said that consciousness does exist after death (based upon his evidence.) But for how long is unknown. If it is tied back to the material state of the human being than it is perhaps finite in its existence. But I was intrigued by his comment when he said that if consciousness can exist after physical death with the brain not functioning, than why does it need to stop at all? Interesting.
Hang on -- he can only say that consciousness continues after _the point we have defined as death_ ... this could be a wrong designation. Perhaps death occurs later than we thought. Just because the heart stops and the *outer cortex* of the brain flatlines does not guarantee death has actually occurred ... that is simply how we have defined death.
@@leomdk939That's an important point indeed. Perhaps the oldest part of our nervous system, that would be the most important one for a possible survival, switches off last
@@leomdk939 When your heart stops, that is the moment when you died. That is how the medical profession define death. If nothing is done to try to reverse the situation (cardio-pulmonary resuscitation etc) then you will stay dead. The consciousness (the absence of it that is) of someone who has just died is no different than the absence of consciousness in someone who has been sent to the morgue. These are the facts, hope it helps clarify it somewhat.
I just finished reading a book called "The Science of Near-Death Experiences" published by Missouri University Press in 2017. It consists of several peer-reviewed articles dealing with this phenomenon. Interestingly, 11 of the 12 contributors believe that the evidence from near-death experiences suggests that our consciousness does, in fact, continue to exist after death. To quote the editor of the book, John C. Hagan (also the director of the medical journal, Missouri Medicine): "Most of our ... physician-scientist authors believe we may be nearing the point where science proves that [near-death experiences] are real events occurring in a different, possibly spiritual rather than material, dimension and will ultimately be scientifically validated but are far beyond the powers of evidence-based science to understand and interpret." Wow. I hope we can have an open mind about these things, because the evidence, whether we like it or not, is impressive. I highly recommend the book mentioned above.
"suggests that our consciousness does, in fact, continue to exist after death. " Would that supposition also apply to other primates, or perhaps to any one of a number of animal species?
Johnny Ninetynine I sincerely hope that the opposite is true, and I would suppose that there are many others like me who also hope (and think) that death means the extinction of the self. For a few months earlier this year a series of different scans showed unidentified nodes and one larger mass in my lungs. A bronchoscopy later showed that those spots were indicative of inflammation, not cancer. But during the several weeks when the doctors and I believed I had lung cancer, I came to experience a great relief at thinking that soon I would go back to where I was before I was born, unconscious, unaware, untroubled. Death also seemed appropriate because I'm old and never took much care of myself. Very importantly, I found that I was finally at peace with my whole life, that I forgave myself for every false move, and that I was content with what was about to happen. Of course, people are going to have different opinions about what they hope or fear about dying - so much depends on countless circumstances - but although the hope for life after death has been with us for millenia, there must be many like me who trust that death means total annihilation of the self.
15 years ago, my mother-in-law died at home. A couple of hours before, she sat up in bed and looked forward smiling. My partner asked, "what do you see Mom?" She clearly said that her husband (she called him by name), was there (he had died 3 years before) and "he says he's going to take me for a long drive." She laid back down and passed a couple hours later. My own beautiful Mother passed this past Easter weekend. She was barely conscious. As I stood bedside, holding her right hand, she tried to raise up on her elbows. Her eyes had already lost their color, and she appeared to be squinting and she began to smile. I asked "what do you see Mom," and my Mother who was so very non-religious and rarely ever spoke of any afterlife, clearly said "It's so bright." She laid back down and died 7 hours later. I don't know what's there. I would never be so stupid to claim that I know, but I know there's something there. And whatever it is, it's big. Very, very big.
I'm also very sorry for your loss, but it's quite possible that what they saw was just their Brains showing them their best memories or the things they loved and hoped to see again, so that they could go into their death more peaceful.(or something else of course)
@@akoto6351 That's possible, but scientific evidence is mounting that consciousness continues. Highly recommend looking into the research happening at the University of Virginia.
@@antattackBAM Yeah, don't know, eventually so that they ain't killing someone while dying. I think it is more like parts of their brains are shutting down and memories are displayed in their consciousness.
Because of Sam Parnia I now believe there is life after death were as before it was just faith now we have evidence I’m hoping in my lifetime we’ll know.
As a hospice RN for the past 3 years I’ve witnessed many many things that strongly implicate the existence of consciousness post physical death. As a student of Vedanta and meditator for the past 10+plus years I’ve read texts thousands of years old that state consciousness is the fundamental substratum of the cosmos. I’ve had many experiences during meditation that support these claims.
When you die, you become one with the universe again, and then the universe manifests you back into a new life form, on a new planet. The only part of "you" that lives on, is the genetic lineage you leave behind.
In the 80s my father laying in the bed with my mother watching tv It was around 8 pm, next to the bed they had a pile of cassette tapes under the table. And suddenly there was that sound you hear when cassettes tower fall over and my mother says the cassettes just fell, but when my father looked at them they were in place and a few minutes later the same sound but it turned out that the cassettes are fine. They couldn't understand why they hear this sound but cassettes are in place. After about 2 hours a doorbell rings, and when my father opened the door, it turned out that a postman came with a telegram in which it was written that his brother died 2 hours ago.
After watching 30 hours of videos about near life experiences and after life theories I must say that this interview is the most convincing one. Sam’s eloquence is outstanding.
As I commented elsewhere. He does NOT have evidence of life after a certain period of "death". He has evidence of consciousness as a brain is in the PROCESS of dying.
The takeaway point is not just that people are conscious after their heart and brain cease to function, but their claim that they are infinitely *more* conscious. Perhaps the brain is not a producer of consciousness, but a filter of it to stop us being overwhelmed by reality?
Many people who had NDE's would propably agree as they often are more 'open' after their experience & they 'know' stuff that will happen in the future or 'see' things others don't see.
LSD temporarily closes down parts of the brain - parts that are possibly designed to limit what we can perceive, which is why under theinfluence of the drug we can see more, understand more.
The assumption of knowing can be more dangerous then ignorance itself. We still have many many things to learn, we are still very ignorant despite all what we know today.
Robert, I have an answer for you. I speak from empirical experience having endured an NDE. Here is the truth. The soul, which can be understood as the disembodied mobile will, is quite literally the self. Our physical bodies are shells for the soul, like avatars. This life on earth is a simulation of choice and spiritual dignity. How you live here determines the state of the soul hereafter. When you die or have an NDE, there is a very short transition phase out of the body. You essentially burst out over the course of seconds, or not much longer. It feels like your consciousness explodes as you break free from the body. Imagine the feeling of being under water until you can't take it anymore, then suddenly jump up to get air. Kind of like that only you're whacked in the head once you get out of the water. From that point, you have hyper self-awareness, but little to no recollection of your recently evacuated physical earth existence. You then glide through deep space far past the stars and planets and enter a light realm where you are met by giant light beings (approx 10-15 feet tall and very stoic). You will be confronted by the leader/liaison who will communicate with you telepathically by motioning his arms at you and shooting golden beams which themselves are particles of perception which you instantly download. He will deliver the message you need to receive before proceeding into this realm. I know how crazy this sounds, but I am essentially a Deist (the most stoic and rational of all belief systems) and this happened to me during sleep 100% sober. I was given the option to die in my sleep or go back. I've always been discontent with the trajectory of my life, so it was interesting that I was given this choice and more interesting that I instantly chose in fear not to proceed to the light realm. I realized life is a gift literally. We are all on borrowed time to do good and evolve each other before we go. The problem with asking scientists these questions is they are only scientists. They are only supposed to talk about what they can measure and define in the physical sense. The spirit is other-worldly. You cannot find your soul through science or through religion. You must seek within and discover your true being. Having an NDE is very scary but infinitely enlightening. Now I can know there is an afterlife and don't have to believe by faith. In case you haven't gathered this yet, I try to avoid faith with as much as possible, because faith implies lack of certainty. Well now I have certainty. The spirit carries on. I know because I did. I experienced, however briefly, the other side. So remember, you can't unlock truths of the spirit using science so it's very futile asking these people. They don't know. It's their job not to know this. You can't ask 99% of religious people either. They sell dogma, fear, greed, and second-hand values. It's best to find God by studying natural law and seeking within to know and evolve yourself. I hope this helped. Interesting answers though, but these scientists are all blind by profession. They measure the body, and material existence. Not the essence which is spirit.
You're partly right. All that exists is the mind of gawd, of which your awareness is a part. There is no 'self,' but only the illusion of self. Buddhism had it mostly correct as well. The awareness you experience... the thing that never changes, and never disappears (you'll need to be taught how that's true), isn't YOUR awareness... it is gawds awareness. Gawd sees and knows all, because gawd is all there is. Learn Upanishad teachings from good teachers. Start with Rupert Spira or Swami Sarvapriyananda.
@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt actually geddy is 100% correct not partially, you never had a nde so how would you know. You are just asking him to read NONSENSICAL literature that states theory not fact to what a nde presents.
Geddy, I find your nde to be extremely descriptive as I must of read 100s of them. My life here kinda sucked and could of been better, because I chose poorly,namely fear instead of love. I now finally grasped the concept choose love in all decisions.I feel after this life I truly dont want to ever incarnate again in this planet or another. I want to stay in bliss and happiness forever . Perhaps this was a successful incarnation after all.
There's a difference between memory and consciousness. It's more or less proven that memory exists as part of the brain (conditions like amnesia for instance). However, lack of memory doesn't prove lack of consciousness. For instance plenty of people have dreams they don't remember.
Not have memory of consciousness before birth is not evidence of a lack of consciousness at that time. ( otherwise I have been unconscious for most of my life:)
the out of body experience convinces me we have a separation of consciousness after death. there have been countless people - probably more than we realise - who had cardiac arrest and witnessed their resuscitation whilst suspended from the roof looking down on their physical self. i've heard so many of these stories. why, if you are unconscious and flatlined, would you perceive things from above and then be able to verify what you saw thereafter. doesn't make sense. there is definitely a separation of consciousness/mind after death.
It happens in trauma too, when trauma is happening - e.g. child abuse repeatedly - people dissociate themselves from bodily sensations and see themselves from above as a coping mechanism, a lot of evidence for it.
@@wormhole331 i think there are different altered states of consciousness, and our waking awareness is just one example. i also think we have awareness during anaesthesia.
I’m crippled everyday by the thought of not been here anymore i love life and want to live it as long as possible I’m only young but I think the mind struggles to compute negative thoughts but just wish I could get over my death anxiety and the fear of the unknown
I personally think of it like this; who cares if there's an actual life after death? If there is, fantastic! If there isn't, also fantastic. You will not be worried about it after dying. However, the best way to live is to hope and even believe that there is one. There have been plenty people who act all tough and "cool" in saying that they don't believe and they aren't afraid of dying. However that is ONLY because they are way off from actually dying. At least not going to die from old age or illness anytime soon. However on the deathbed, at nights, that fear creeps in like a hunter on prey. *You are dying. You are going into oblivion. You are terrified* . This is no way to go through the last final days of life.. or even years if it's a slow burner. Allow yourself to believe. What harm can be done? If the conciousness survives for a few minutes or hours after death, maybe that's an opportunity to experience a sort of "Fade to white" moment with a smile. Maybe your mind conjures up images of joy and bliss rather than fear and darkness that it might have from a pessimistics side of view. Maybe you can have an opportunity of fading into oblivion with a smile. Meeting a loved parent, child, grandparent or whatever. It might be your mind playing tricks on you, but still.. I think that's a peaceful way to go and you would not know the difference nor be aware afterwards to be disappointed. Personally I believe. I'm not a person that goes to church because I do not imagine a God as one that truly wants praising and worshipping. I imagine him as someone that just wants to see us grow and prosper. I leave the praising to others. I would not think myself an equal to God, but I think he would enjoy some casual chats with his children.
I believe that the physical limitations of the human mind prevent us from knowing things that are presently beyond our ability to perceive. Maybe we will reach an understanding of it some day- until then, ‘keep the faith’.
It's very interesting to me how my normal self doesn't feel very spiritually but when I would get high on cough pills (DXM) all of a sudden I felt extremely spiritual and more love for Jesus and human beings. It's the strangest thing it's like something was opened when I did those pills.
Parnia probably gave us the best answer you can possibly ask for. Even though he even explained it himself that consciousness after death is a mystery, Sam wasn’t biased at all.
If consciousness is non-local, as Dr Pim Van Lommel suggests based on his NDE research, then it follows that it must be eternal since by definition it is outside of time and space. No time, no end (since an end is a moment in time).
When my grandmother was aged 90, sleeping and near death ten years ago, my dad had been in the cafeteria near her room for hours, talking to a guy who lived there. He walked back into her room and ten seconds after he came back in, she died. All she needed to know was that her son was there, and she could leave. Nursing home workers are a hardened bunch, but they report these kinds of phenomena all the time. They told me stories like people would visit their sleeping relatives and sit in the room for hours without them waking, then leave, and that evening their relatives would say, "Did you know my son/daughter/grandson etc. visited today?" Yet they hadn't been awake at any point during the visit.
When I listen to humanity describing why this or that doesn't exist... I just look back at ALL the past retractions and additions to it's past claims and am thankful that these folks don't have a clue at the possibilities of what Was and what Is...
Most pepole didn't use to brlieve the earth was flat but they sure believed that the sun rotated around the Earth and that different ethnicities meant different species. I believe they would be horrified of what's normal to us.
"We don't know everything yet" There is so much in that statement alone where unknown possibilities exist. Energy, vibration, there are many existences that thrive outside of materialism and for that reason, our faith "that there is more" can still logically exist as well.
After mu daughter died, I laid down to sleep one night soon afterwards and heard her clear as day, right in my left ear say, "Mom...open the box with a key." I was not yet asleep nor fully awake. I knew immediately she was talking about her coffin. I know her voice. I am completely sane, and I HEARD my daughter say this. If it had been my OWN thought, or mind, I would have "thought" casket, or coffin, not box. She thought she was in a box. Study that.
Dr. Parnia was far more impressive in this clip than I was expecting, given his prominent role in conducting The Aware Study (published in the peer reviewed journal Resuscitation). He gave perfectly reasonable and acceptable answers to pointed questions by Dr. Kuhn regarding his current views on 'Life After Death'. In these views Parnia held strictly to scientific standards, yet with a nod to relevance of both philosophy and theology, while fully leaving open the possibility of a state of consciousness after death, and while admitting scientifc proof was presently (maybe forever) impossible to obtain. This suggests that, even in our 21st century, when it comes to the issue of life after death, if you're not already a believer "The Answer is Blowin' in the Wind".
The evidence is pretty clear that consciousness not only transcends the brain/body, it transcends the entirety of this material "dimension." We live in a nested reality, where the physical universe is a subset of a larger reality. We are therefore "spiritual beings" having serial material experiences in order to raise the level of our consciousness quality through a process of consciousness evolution. So not only does our consciousness continue after death, it existed before our birth (all of our births and deaths). Consciousness is immortal.
I have been aware of spirit most of my life and have no doubt we survive in spirit, once you have spiritual experiences it stays with you all your life. Ask and you will be shown but if you are sincere, but not a thing to be messed with.
Because our conciousness (in my theory) is filtered through the brain. Rather than conciousness IS produced in the brain. The conciousness filtered through the brain may remove our memories before our conciousness before birth. That's my idea anyway.
@@grimmraptorz8668 my theory is that the brain add new memory to our consciousness and obscure our past life memory.those children who remember their past life gradually fades away as they grow older.when I was 5 or 6 ,I always have the same dream every night of pillars falling on me and I will evade it.then one will hit me and I wake up crying with my mom cuddling me.as I grow older,it stops.if you watch those regression hypnosis, some can speaks languages which they never learn in this lifetime.
Eastern philosophy such as Hinduism always tell 1. What you call as me is not my body even not my mind 2. There is nothing called your consciousness and my consciousness. there is a universal consciousness and we all are part of same consciousness. 3. There is nothing called as my life and your life, we all share same life captured in small bubble giving us a sense of individuality. Whereas as a matter of fact we can’t live individually but in constant interaction with the cosmos. “What we inhale trees exhale in other worlds half of our lung is hanging out there open in wild”.
It's indeed fascinating to me how mature Hinduism is in comparison to other religions. And I say it as a non hinduist. Hinduism seems to describe the world we see much better I must admit than other major religions. Its so intuitive.
@@MrSbygneus Just to give a tip of the iceberg of Hinduism but very profound lecture of a swami in one of the premier institute of Technology in India IITK "Who am I". Please do listen it is much closer to truth. Note: I am not trying to convert you from your faith because in Hinduism there is no prescription for conversion. Enjoy Part 1: ruclips.net/video/eGKFTUuJppU/видео.html Part 2: ruclips.net/video/F0dugc4TrlE/видео.html
It would make more sense to me if you said we are all apart of the Logos or the Tao. That's a monistic view of existence, which many of your points on Hinduism would assert. But which one of them justifies the term "consciousness"? I cannot see from a logical perspective how any do.
Pasquino 0 For a logical perspective and dissection of the consciousness subject, I would encourage you to watch the debate/lecture “Who amI?” In Hinduism scriptures especially Upanishads are written in form of debate and arguments and it is very much encouraged. Just to give a tip of the iceberg of Hinduism philosophy but very profound lecture of a swami/yogi in one of the premier institute of Technology in India IITK "Who am I". Please do listen it is much closer to truth. Note: I am not trying to convert you from your faith because in Hinduism there is no prescription for conversion. Enjoy if you like intellectual conversation Part 1: ruclips.net/video/eGKFTUuJppU/видео.html Part 2: ruclips.net/video/F0dugc4TrlE/видео.html
I believe consciousness is eternal, the only reason we have bodies is so our consciousness can interact with reality of matter. Brain is part of the body, that allows for the control of the rest of the physical body but is not consciousness.
it always been the unanswered question of what happens we die we never have been able to find out what happens and we never will beable to i would just hope there is something good after this
Please remember that "we have limited minds"... so it's beyond our abilities to prove that there's life after death or not. But logically there's life after death. I believe in that. All People who came back after death told us that there's something after death. And there's no specific area or cells in our brains that control consciousness... it's not intangible. Consciousness =soul
My father had a cardiac arrest and was subject to CPR, he said he didnt see anything not remember anything. Quite like sleeping, ceasing to exist is the one thing that terrifies me. Not being able to think or experience anything...
@@rafaelfreitas8477 I'm still looking for answers, though I doubt I will ever have confirmation in these times ! But it's nice to know the science world has started to do actual research on it !
@@IRedpunk Yeah, it's interesting when science is open for new ideas. There's a very good TV show on Netflix called the story of God by Morgan Freeman where sometimes he shows these combinations of Science and the unknown.
Believe or don't believe, that's up to the individual. But whether you believe or not, it's certain that death is universal and inevitable, and we must all face it. Personally, I believe in continuation of the soul/spirit. What have I got to lose? 🤗🤗
This guy is very very very honest. He did not add in anything except telling the truth. At least we know consciousness still exists after the brain shut down. So mind and brain is 2 different thing.
We know that the consciousness exists during the process of death. They can't measure brain activity but they get the body to continue to live and then they call that death. It does make him sound real cool that he can bring people back from the dead.
My own research, based on NDE accounts, shows that people have a choice to remain in the spiritual world or return to the body, and in the latter case, it happens very quickly for them to return. It indicates the spiritual world exists and that what they are experiencing is real. Of course, we know nothing about those who stay.
I think belief in an afterlife is rational as long as we maintain that we could be wrong. Evidence can point toward a conclusion without necessarily proving it. In fact, I would argue that the vast vast majority of what most of us believe is just assumption. Concluding that there is an afterlife is reasonable as long as the level of certainty you attach to it does not go beyond the evidence. But it is unreasonable to demand that people withhold belief until they are in possession of absolute proof.
Newsflash: most of science starts off with assumption and then people try to prove or disprove the assumption, often with random results. The Science of today is the debunked information of tomorrow. The point being that everything we know is relational. Of course it makes sense to study NDE'S and consciousness scientifically but we must also use philosophy and an open mind.
The reality of all this is that we truly don’t know anything about human concussions or how it truly works. So, when people ask, “what happens after we die?”, really, the only true correct answer is “I don’t know”, because no one truly knows, it is what it is.
How does not knowing shit make god more plausible to the point where you wouldn't call yourself atheïst? Even hardcore atheïsts like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens would admit that nothing can be asserted with absolute certainty. They are ultimately agnostic, and they admit this fully. However, to most they would be atheïst in the sense that they would reject any bullshit god of the traditional monotheïstic religions like Islam and Christianity. So yes, most educated atheïsts are in fact agnostic when philosophical absolutes are concerned. Yet, in colloquial terms, they would still qualify as atheïst.
@@moayadsalih3563 I can say with *near* absolute certainty that the bizarre, ridiculous gods of Islam and Christianity are a fiction. It is just a matter of probability. For example, the probability of the entity 'Allah' and all its laughable properties as described in the Quran being true appears so exceedingly remote that in terms of its plausibility, it would be on par with magical unicorns running the universe. The point here is that we can't be absolutely certain of anything. So Allah being on equal footing with magical unicorns makes it an exceedingly unlikely 'creator' candidate, but me holding this view would still technically qualify me as agnostic whenf philosophical absolutes are concerned. However, in colloquial use of the word, I'm definitely an atheïst and antitheïst, in part because of my open and outspoken hostility towards Islam and other forms of organized religion.
@@TehNetherlands -->"nothing can be asserted with absolute certainty" Are you experiencing awareness? You are where I used to be. You're part way to the truth. Yes, religitardation is a disgusting thought disease and you named the two worst offenders. Now let go of beating that dead horse and move to Upanishad teachings. Spoiler alert: All that exists is the mind of gawd. To see it, you'll require a lot of prerequisite information If you're genuinely interested, I'll recommend good places to start. If you're not ready, that's fine as well.
Maybe the "beyond" or whatever we call it is not bound by the same restrictions that we have here, namely restrictions like "time". This would make it plausible that consciousness is here and not here simultaneously which could help explain how consciousness arrive when we are "born" and leaves when we "die", but then also can comeback when we resuscitate someone since it never left but also never was here. This creates a paradox, pretty much like a hurdle that does not allow us to see and/or even imagine what actually happens after death, and maybe there is a reason for that.
What I am interested in is the relationship of consciousness to the rest of the body. If consciousness is fully embodied in the entire human body, and not just the brain, could it be possible that once the rest of the cells die off (they have not yet, as the good Doctor explains) that consciousness ultimately vanishes? I don’t believe this to be the case, but there is still so much we don’t know. My own personal opinion is that consciousness is fundamental and the material is emergent. This makes more sense to me, seeing as how any reductionist view of consciousness ends in abject failure to explain consciousness. With that being said, it’s much more comforting to take this view and I sometimes fear my own inherent biases corrupt my view. Everyone wants this to be true and that can be problematic when trying to be objective.
It's logical to infere that consciesnes is fundament in Nature. Quantum physics points that way. I personally agree with you that consciesness is all there is, and matter derives from it. It would makes sense of quantum physics more elegantly if that is the case.
What makes this conversation significant is that conventional science does not allow for ANY EXPERIENCE AT ALL during the moments that these experiences are being reported. People have all sorts of compelling experiences and memories, but these experiences are potentially DISPROVING ASSERTIONS IN THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE.
the feeling you get when you see your loved one for the first time in a year.. the feeling you get when your dog dies.. the feeling you get when your favourite song comes on at your favourite artists concert.. the feeling you get when you watch an amazing movie or read a brilliant book.. the feeling you get when you kiss your crush for the first time.. it's not just the brain we have Souls
Neuroscientists would counter your statement, explaining that all those strong emotions are indeed chemicals reacting in our brain, endorphins, dopamine, adrenaline etc.
I've watched this particular video quite a few times and it always bothers me how the interviewer so quickly snickers at his question being answered at 4:32 . I'm glad there's people like Parnia doing this work, despite criticism from the mainstream. Maybe he won't find proof of non-local consciousness, but being able to resuscitate his patients after longer and longer periods of time is an amazing thing to try and achieve, him and his team are really doing impressive work.
He snickers anytime he hears something that he has no answer for. Like only he has the “ correct answers”. I don’t know how he can legitimately call himself a “scientist “ if his searching stops at only what he presently knows.
@@timtrek *Materialist scientists are the high priests of our day!* Attempting to equate science to religion only serves to undermine religion, I always find it beautifully ironic that so many theists do this without realising they simply weaken their own position. It's also a dishonest to characterise science in this way as it's the antithesis of religion, it relies on evidence, demonstration, observation, verification and repeatability - something that religion lacks completely. *they will all look very foolish one day* Considering we've known science works very well for a long time now, I very much doubt it ;) PS Science only deals with the material you dolt, there's no evidence there is anything but the material or that generated by the material.
@@timtrek they already look foolish these days, because any openminded person notices how they let their beliefs be an obstacle to their acceptance of the body of evidence. They insist in accepting only what confirms their own beliefs. And they don’t even realize how they are attached to their worldview and beliefs. Parnia gave a great example of how a true scientific approach is (“I’m not interested in my own opinion”), but probably the example was bypassed.
Robert Kuhn is actually very open minded, I think he was snickering more at the use of quotation marks than what Parnia was saying. I like Kuhn precisely because he balances skepticism with open-mindedness in equal measure in whatever subject he is discussing.
My belief is that your soul, electrical impulses, whatever, leaves your body and travels through space and time until it is reborn not necessarily human but another being.
Its amazing how consciousness can continue after death I think if you want my Opinion that If Consciousness can continue for hours without brain function why would it disappear afterwards I believe it will last forever and this is when people can have Near death Experience's...
Persons are composed of "Energy" and "Information". "Information" is "Immaterial / Non-Material". The most recent modern quantum physics discoveries are proving "matter" is actually the "illusion". The true nature of reality is the interaction of "Immaterial / Non-material" energy fields. Is there really a non-material existance? Even science can confirm that the human body is composed of many forms of energy. According to scientists, energy can neither be created nor destroyed (1st Law of Thermodynamics). So, when someone transitions from the "material" existence, his or her energy (the essence of that person) will have to continue to exist in some form. No longer in a "material" body, this energy will continue to exist in what may be referred to as a coherent field of energy (or spirit?). lord-jesus-christ.com/
One thing I do know for sure is that it is pointless to worry over things that can't be controlled or answered. If this is our only life, enjoy it and stop ruining it with obsession over death.
I put this video on Reddit, within an hour it was removed by moderators saying that there's no support for this claim. I googled it and found that indeed there's none, only a few papers from Sam.
What about the studies by van pim Lomell a Swedish cardiologist what about Michael Sabom another cardiologist what about Bruce Greyson neurobehaviorial specialist and psychologist what about Kenneth ring another cardiologist and Sam Parnia doctor at NYU several others there is support for this claim
The reason blinking out of consciousness and not existing on any level is so terrifying for people is because we can't fathom it. It's impossible to get your mind around what non-existence would be like, because somewhere deep down we know this isn't real. Just like the universe; we weren't, then we were, and will never not-be.
I've thought about this so intently that I've lost myself and am almost beside myself. It's like someone else is asking the question and I'm having an out of body experience. Difficult to explain but it freaks me out.
@@galaga8834 Don't forget, according to the law of thermodynamics, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. That means every proton, electron, and quark that makes up your atoms and flows through your neurons creating thoughts has been around since the beginning of time, and will exist forever.
It likely will, I mean think about it. Conciousness is made up of energy, those are facts. Then take into account that some of the greatest scientists ever including Albert einstein explained in how energy cant be created nor DESTROYED, it only knows transformation. This quote gives off th likelihood that that it is highly likely that conciousness WILL continue forever, (possibly)
Fantastic interview , great job on sharing such experience. This kind of video helps to expand our understanding of life after death and how other smart people understand it.
Dr. Parnia was my doctor when he was at Stony Brook University Medical Center. He saved my life. He is a great doctor. He did ask me if I had a life after death experience. I was so frightened at the time that I couldn't tell. But I did see a special with him and Sanjay Gupta on A & E where people had experienced it. I live in Delaware now and I wish I could reach out to him and ask about this coronavirus. It scares me as I still have respiratory problems. I think he might be in NYC, NY but I'm not sure.
I'm glad you're trying to reach him. Not long ago, I saw what seemed to be his professional email, however, I don't recall which site I visited. Try putting some things in Google, should come up.
@billy0 90 Because you are not dead nor have you ever been dead. No doubt many people have had fascinating near death experiences but I haven't heard of many actual death experiences in the last 2000 years.
@billy0 90 No, it doesn't tell me that. If consciousness is the effect of billions of brain cells communicating with each other then all we need is a brain which grows and develops from nutrients like any living thing.
Why does Robert assume "we don't have consciousness before our birth"? We certainly don't remember anything before our birth, but I don't remember anything from when I was two years old either. Does that mean I didn't exist, or I didn't experiece or feel anything when I was two, or one, or six months old? Some of Robert's opinions are quite unscientific, frankly.
Conciousness arises from brain activity, you can’t be conscious without a brain. It’s incredibly justifiable to say you had no consciousness before birth.
@@keithsimpson6386 , the Dr said there was consciousness when the brain itself was flatlined. It's never been proved that consciousness comes from brain activity that I've ever read or come across. If that information is out there point me to it please.
"I can only comment on the evidence" How true, and how difficult it is to get good evidence. I will personally vouch for consciousness beyond the physical body because of a limited number of (remembered) out-of-body experiences. It is plausible that consciousness carries on even as the host is dying. Not too much unlike rats leaving a sinking ship. We are not the body. There is no doubt (and it is a blessing I have been given these experiences) that individual awareness leaves the body and that this process has been going on a very, very, long time. These events are trans-religious, although you can get some insight from religion if you turn the gain way down and try to find common perspectives.
Human consciousness is just a part of universal consciousness. More and more science is accepting theories that consciousness could be in all matter at some level, or even that consciousness is the very foundation of matter. So until we have a better understanding of what consciousness even is, we will have a really hard time understanding what happens to human consciousness beyond that hour or so he's talking about or the before birth question. However, so much has been discovered over the last 20 years or so. The fact we're able to study consciousness to the point we have is really encouraging. And it will just continue to progress.
Well, there're 2 distinctly different possibilities as per what I've understood (so far ...). The first is that the consciousness gets formed by/inside the physical brain with the interpretation of the sensorial input coming all the way from your physical senses to your (physical) brain, so it continues as a stream only as long as your brain remains active/functioning (at least a part of it irrespective of how measurable it is with the technology ...). Before you were born, your stream of conscious didn't exist. After you're dead, it would no longer exist either. It simply exists as long as your brain remains active, and ceases to exist upon your death (the exact time may vary based on for how long your brain cells remain active after your heart stops its circulation for good ...). In its true sense, the 'self' is only an illusion you tend to perceive on top of your stream of consciousness, so there's no such 'self' in reality to begin with. While this is the idea which I firmly held since my childhood, and which had seemed to me the most logical and rationally believable too for decades (I'm currently 41 years of age.), I have to mention the fact that I'm now becoming somewhat more open/tolerant towards the second possibility too, at least more than what had been the case in the past. With it, the stream of consciousness continues to exist as a separate entity irrespective/independent of the function of the brain, the consciousness simply takes only certain inputs from the brain once it's attached/coupled to your brain so that your brain remains your "window" to the outside world as long as it remains attached/coupled. But, strictly speaking, it remains a separate entity, so it continues beyond your brain death too at which point it gets detached/decoupled .... Well, sounds quite crazy and scary too .... I'm not exactly in a position to rationalize this second possibility, but certain seemingly credible (yes, only the seemingly credible ones I mean) reincarnation/rebirth cases/types across the world among different cultures, and especially the out-of-body experiences (OBE) mentioned to have been experienced by some during their near-death situations including certain seemingly accurate/credible explanations of visions accumulated being outside of their physical bodies too amidst such encounters have started to baffle me and really complicated my understanding on the topic. I don't say that there exists this heaven and hell thing being taught by most of the religious doctrines out there, no, but sometimes there might be another dimension/plane which is beyond the scope of our current understanding on what the consciousness and life truly is making any completely objective explanation infeasible, at least at this stage ....
Quantum Physics has shown that Reality is based on Probabilities. A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of a functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by undirected random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.) Furthermore, of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/ 10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer while trying to determine the origin of the universe. A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely Irrational and Unreasonable hypotheses are what many of the world’s top scientists ‘must’ believe in and promote because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, biased, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview. Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, Information, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic, subjective, biased ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millenia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by discoveries in Quantum Physics.
My intuition tells me when we die consciousness continues as seamlessly as it seems to when we wake from sleep and we may be born again as an intergalactic equivalent to Julius Caesar (think Xenu) or we may be the equivalent of the wildebeest calf that sticks his head out the womb to be greeted and eaten alive by a pack of wild dogs.
Throughout the history of theoretical physics there have been great minds on both sides of the materialists vs non materialists debate. Brain Green, Einstein, and Hawking on the materialists side vs Max Plank, David Bohm, and Heisenberg on the non materialists side.
@@pandawandas I think so since he considered consciousness to be caused by matter of the brain, axions, dendrites, neurons, etc. Plank, Bohm, Heisenberg thought consciousness created the physical world or that the world was inside consciousness and not a product of matter.
what about a person who is so called "brain dead" and then comes back years later- if the consciousness continues even when brain is "dead" and it repairs itself & comes back ten years later then that also shows it surviving right?
There have been nde cases where they have been dead for a few hours, long after the brain ceases its functions. That's one of the most critical evidence to prove that ndes are a real deal.
So... "conscientious" is in essence, who you "really" are. Your "soul" as it were. Your soul was before your body was. And long after your body dies, your soul shall be. Think of your body like a new pair of gloves. Did your hand exist before you put on the gloves? Does your hand exist after the gloves have worn out and been disposed of? So the same is true for our souls. We are "spiritual" beings having a physical human experience. Long before our bodies were, we were. And long after our bodies "die" we continue on. That's the easy part. The hard part is where are you going after death? That's a much more important question that needs to be addressed!
I have had an alteration in time perception and time ceased to exist when I exited my body. I was hovering a few yards above, looking down on my body. Before I exited the body, I went from panicking and looping of the same scenarios over and over and over again and it felt like hell, like it was going to continue for eternity because I could not sense any time at all. Time did not exist anymore, and the same things were repeating in loops. It was each person I was with saying a particular thing. It would go from one person to the next to the next saying or doing the same thing and then like a rewind button it would happen again and again. It felt like hundreds of times this happened and that it would never end, while in reality I was only "out" for 5-10 minutes. Anyways, after this hell I experienced which felt like it was never going to end, I basically had no choice but to beg God to help me and that is when I found myself out of my body, looking down, frozen in time. What was different was that it was completely silent and peaceful all of a sudden. It was like I was in a waiting room to determine whether or not I will be dead or not. Fascinatingly, I had so much clarity in my thoughts when right before I was freaking out thinking I was dying and stuck in time repeating itself. So it went from that eternal hell to *snap* I'm in the air, thinking clearly, asking myself if I am dead without the panic, looking down on my body, and seeing my horizon in a much higher field of view. curiosity P.s. I just ordered two of Dr. Sam Parnia's books and I am very excited to read them!
Here’s the thing with us physical being. WE ARE BORN OUT OF CURIOUSITY. That should summarize everything. Instead of using our energy to question the next evolution of our existence. Just Be alive and embrace all that is with good intentions at heart .
Parniamakes great points in this video. You can see Kuhn's frustration but Parnia has data on his side not personal opinion. I was just watching an interview with an ex atheist Dr. who didn't believe in anything. She drowned in a boating accident and was under water for close to 30 minutes until people pulled her body out of the water The thing is, she was still conscious. She was watching them work on her body and she encountered a being of light. So, Parnia is correct. It has been shown scientifically through his research and others that consciousness exist after death. How long does it exist after death or does it reincarnate are questions science can't answer but again, it can say consciousness survives death.
I hope I’ll come back but this time I’ll stay in school . Chose the career that I actually like and finally marry the right person and feel love for a change I know I’ll get it right if given the chance
People who had NDE say that although only few minutes passes on earth where they were felt like hours also they claim that time did not exist where they were.
First off, conciousness has been proven to be made up of mainly energy. And what has also been proven about energy? It cant be created nor destroyed. I believe that conciousness has some sort of link to the soul. And that conciousness is rather filtered through the brain. Another thing, ndes are most likely real. Think about it for a second. Hallucinations dont change your life, they don't change your opinion on death, they dont make you want to stay in the afterlife shown in the ndes, they dont show deceased relatives you never knew never knew what they looked like, their voices. And one of the most obvious reasons that their real is the fact that THEIR DEAD!!! HOW COULD THEY HALLUCINATE AFTER THEY HAVE DIED. After you die your brain functions ceases after about 3 minutes. But many people can stay dead for 5 minutes or longer. Isnt that blatantly obvious 🤣. I don't know why people disbelieve in the afterlife when theres so much crucial evidence for it.
We can all speculate and debate about what happens to us after our body dies. There is one thing for sure...all of us will eventually experience it for ourselves.
"We can all speculate and debate about what happens to us after our body dies." Pointless speculation and debate as it's certain that nothingnesses are quite immune from experiencing eventses. We evolved to think about existents because of their high survival relevance. Thinking about nothing was unhelpful and to this day is oft disapproved of. Why zero was four thousand years late to the numbers conception party. Why it's impossible to conceive of absolute nothing and our own non existence. (When we close our eyes and attempt it, the effort is immediately defeated by the unavoidable awareness that our thought exists). "There is one thing for sure...all of us will eventually experience it for ourselves." More accurately stated, 'There is one thing for sure... all of us will eventually die'. Its logically impossible to experience death because death means, and is, the end of experience. A return to experience simply means the coroner made an error. The coroner mistook 'suspended animation' for death. I suppose definitions could be discussed. Cheers!
4:51 that is a personal opinion. We assume consciousness doesn't exist before birth because we have no memory of having previous consciousness, but memory is a completely dependent brain function which consciousness is independent from. Memories are stored in the hippocampus and that doesn't form until... 18 months after birth.
I've had so many experiences in our house (turns out there was a mass killing within a few hundred feet of here in the 1800's) and I wasnt dead. I was wide awake so maybe there is something.
It is highly likely that it lasts forever. I've connected it to a few things. First off, it's been proven by dr. Parnia that indeed conciousness continues after death. For longer he doesnt know. However, think about it for a second. Conciousness is made up of energy. Which is scientific fact. Amd heres the thing, many famous scientists; minds such as Albert Einstein explained that "energy cant be created nor destroyed. It only knows TRANSFORMATION'. Think about it.
Fantastic Reply and soo very true. We are disassociated from our true self, our consciousness. It’s sad and to me unbelievable that so many scientists are completely against this (still) theory about consciousness and the fact it’s separate from our “physical” body with all this empirical proof scientists like Sam Parnia are providing!
Because it is expressed, and recognised, through a material form. For humans and animals, the brain serves as a focus. For the plant kingdom, it is more diffuse (read "Brilliant Green"). So there is always a material interface, of some kind. Hence, consciousness has a materiality to it. That is not all it has to it. But it is a facet, or aspect.
Science in it's infancy, still, in 2021 need to raise their thresholds of measurement and understanding the human consciousness and body connections. Mind and consciousness are not the same. The body is simply a vessel for the consciousness which needs to complete it's obligations and responsibilities to the universe. True release will come only then.
Two things. - First: Calling something "dead" is a label and or definition only. We have to draw the line somewhere and as of now, it appears as arbitrary. Evidenced by the fact that we continue to be able to push that boundary with tech. ie; bring some one back after more and more 'dead'-time. .. Second: This idea of a 'consciousness" or 'soul" that survives after we LABEL someone 'dead', is based on a false and still unprovable notion of the existence of these things. It could very well be just like restarting your computer after turning it off. As long as it is not too damaged. .. Who's to say how long some one can be "shut off"?
Very well put, 'consciousness' isn't even that well defined. It's a catch all phrase that is very often abused. I'd say this video is pretty abusive of that term.
No. Insofar as people being "shut off " , there is indeed a time limit for the brain. As minutes go by the brain without oxygen gets hotter and the cells die off. They get permanently unusable.
@@amirmograbi I agree! I find it so fluffy the way the word 'consciousness' is bandied around. Especially - with all respect - among those who relate to Hinduism and then to New Age "ideas".
Roofuscat 2 who's name? But NDE's often have time stamps which show verification of real world events described by the NDE'er that they had no way of knowing during a time when they were flatlined. That fact invalidates your theory of simply a computer being turned off and on. These aren't hallucinations or dreams, but recollections of events that ACTUALLY occurred in the world while the patient had no brain function nor heartbeat.
I think most of us do have the memories, but they are blocked off. There are people who as children can remember, but the memories fade as they get older, like the boy who knew he was a pilot who had died
Our lives are bounded by birth and death. That is from the perspective of seeing things in a passage of time. But what if there is another perspective which is timeless? What if our lives, and all events, can be seen in a timeless perspective as always existing and never passing away? People who have near death experiences often speak of this. 😐
So the memories of the self consciousness are apparently preserved in clinically dead brain cells for a period of limited hours, but is later cremated or buried and decays, it seemingly could transfer?...I don't know either.
No--not in brain cells. What Dr Sam Parnia is discussing is, on one hand, the physical brain (which eventually dies)--and on the other hand, our consciousness or "soul", which is different from the physical brain, and which survives death at least for some hours, if not longer or forever.
Can’t wait for January 6, “A new Netflix docuseries, Surviving Death, will feature interviews from scientists, mediums, paranormal experts and child psychiatrists to explore near-death experiences, seances and other after-death communications, and past-life recollections.” “the series will include some familiar IANDS faces- Dr. Bruce Greyson, Kim Clark Sharp, Jose Hernandez, Dr. Mary Neal and Stephanie Arnold!”
Why does the thought of nothingness scare so many people? One of the comforts I find in death is the nothingness, that everything will just cease to exist. Just nothing, no emotions, no feelings, nothing. For me it's more comforting than a eternal heaven...or hell.
Before being born was you scared, then after death you will not be scared, its pretty sad in the present to think of it, our brief look into this reality that we exist, we exist because the atoms have ensemble themselves into entities that can ponder its existence
@@Ravenstudios-s5o there are no gods,gods is only our guide to know what good and evil,god is only in our hearts and mind but the truth there is no god,do you still believe in heaven and hell,in angels,in miracles,its all a fairy tale
I'd like to see 'Closer to Truth' engage in consciousness experiments, such as past-life regressions, psychic readings from a legitimate psychic, and astral projection.
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I think, as many people have pointed out already, that "We don't have consciousness before our birth" is an absurd notion simply because consciousness and memory are not identical. Linked, but not identical. Just look at dreams, you are what you can call conscious or semi-conscious for most of your dreaming periods, yet you do not remember most of them - if any - shortly after you wake up. Being conscious or not before birth might very well be speculated to be akin to this.
Yes. My thinking exactly. Because you do not recall something, does not mean there was nothing to recall. For example, if I say to someone, " What did you have for dinner 274 days ago and did it rain at all that evening?", they will not remember. That does not mean they did not have dinner that evening. Birth is far longer ago so to not recall what may have occurred before birth is very understandable.
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Not only that: When we dream, we have no power over what happens in our dreams. This might just be a dream compared to the possible reality that awaits us when we pass. We have a very little to say, because we do not have the real power to know our future in this reality, so this reality in relation to a dream, might very well be comparable in relation to "the next" reality.
I've been watching Robert's "Closer to Truth" series now for quite a while . . . long enough to have seen most of them. Although they are all thought-provoking, you have to keep in mind that Robert is approaching each topic from a physicalist-reductionist bias, which always comes across in the interviews. The "we don't have consciousness before our birth" comment is a good example.
We also didn't have digestion before we were born. There was digestion, but it was someone elses, not ours. Consciousness is the same, in is a process performed by our brain, as digestion is performed by our gut
How he said “ I’m not interested in my personal opinion, it does not matter....what I’m able to comment own is on what we have evidence for, for which there is DATA, there have been research studies carried out....” is the energy we need in 2021 to survive.
I was gonna say something simmilar. The word "evidence" is very powerful
There is probably a very good reason he doesn't share his personal opinion.
Of course he does have a personal opnion, everybody does but in a scientific materialist world if a person says something they can't prove that hey are scoffed and mocked for doing so.
To many the universe started with a big bang and some say it came from absolutely nothing.
Religion says God did it, you can't provecit so that is called rubbish however everyone has notions of what God may or may not be.
Nikola Tesla said the secret of the universe is energy,vibration and frequency, according to Einstien energy and mass are interchangeable and energy can't be created or destroyed.
My point is this, if this is the case then energy must be eternal and outside of space and time, perhaps all there really is is eternal energy and consciousness, some belief the material world is an illusion and that the only true reality is consciousness.
There are more questions than scientific answers.
Indeed, there is a mountain of data. Like 40 years worth at the University of Virginia School of Medicine, Division of Perceptual Studies - to name just one.
No just open up the bible, the truth is all there! Everything else is the work of the devil, trying to lead you away from the teachings of our god Jesus Christ!
@@_Billy_Pilgrim how much of that mountain is several hours after "death"? He was a bit imprecise with his words. He clearly says death is a process. We don't know what happens to consciousness hours after death where the brain cells are all dead.
It's a big mistake to say that we have no consciousness before birth. You have no idea about that, because you can't remember. We know for sure that we are conscious when we are born, but we can't remember that either. Do you remember your birth? Just because you don't doesn't mean it didn't happen and that you weren't conscious when it did.
Echo Trip I like this but is consciousness relevant if we can’t remember being self aware?
@@Jda1101 It was during the time you could remember it. Maybe after that memory fades it doesn't matter anymore. We could have lived millions of different lives before this in millions of identical consecutive universes and not know it at all.
You don’t remember the birth and most of your early childhood because the brain was being formed. At least that’s how I view it. I hate to think about reincarnation as it means if there is life after this one, I will never meet again my loved ones who passed away..
@@IRedpunk that's the only possible way that you WOULD see them again.
@@sorext9995 no, because you would not have any memory or the feelings you used to have, if that's true at all.
I have no beliefs either way here, but I like the panpsychist idea of consciousness as a spectrum: complex brains having higher levels of awareness, from humans to apes to mice to insects to bacteria ... Anecdotal evidence also suggests we can raise consciousness further through meditation, psychedelics, NDEs (early baptism? ), even intense prayer and fasting. Many people who achieve these states return with a life-changing belief in some kind of ineffable, infinite oneness, albeit interpreted via cultural references. Whether this is delusional, we may never know, but it shouldn't be ignored.
Good balanced view.
I am very skeptical of anecdotal evidence.
As you said, these brain states shouldn't be ignored but to conclude, CONCLUDE!, LIFE AFTER DEATH? Gimme a break.
Well, the moment you watch a video that takes the materialist view of existence, you can dismiss it as horseshyt.
Matter doesn't exist and science is slowly and reluctantly coming out the closet and admitting it.
Donald Hoffman (conscious agents), Rupert Spira, Swami Sarvapriyananda (realizing non-duality) are good places to start.
With a heavy dose of Upanishad teaching, you'll come to realize the inevitable. All that exists is the mind of gawd. All "things" are mere appearances in the mind of gawd. All questions you can think to ask, Upanishads have answered thousands of years ago. Why is there suffering? Gawd doesn't know suffering. To understand that answer, you'll have to be walked through it step by step.
@@josephshawa tell that to skeptics who returned from an NDE believing in an afterlife. the most fascinating thing is those people who left their bodies whilst in cardiac arrest and they were able to see things whilst suspended from above and watch their own resuscitation and then were able to verify exactly what they saw, which was later proven to be accurate. now stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
@@Dion_Mustard Would love to see the study. Link to the supernatural?
This is arguably one of the most logical discussions on life after death. Parnia was transparent when he said that consciousness does exist after death (based upon his evidence.) But for how long is unknown. If it is tied back to the material state of the human being than it is perhaps finite in its existence. But I was intrigued by his comment when he said that if consciousness can exist after physical death with the brain not functioning, than why does it need to stop at all? Interesting.
Hang on -- he can only say that consciousness continues after _the point we have defined as death_ ... this could be a wrong designation. Perhaps death occurs later than we thought. Just because the heart stops and the *outer cortex* of the brain flatlines does not guarantee death has actually occurred ... that is simply how we have defined death.
@@leomdk939 Sadly we don’t know whether consciousness continues or not nobody does.
@@leomdk939 Or perhaps there are areas of the brain that are still functioning and take hours to die out.
@@leomdk939That's an important point indeed. Perhaps the oldest part of our nervous system, that would be the most important one for a possible survival, switches off last
@@leomdk939 When your heart stops, that is the moment when you died. That is how the medical profession define death. If nothing is done to try to reverse the situation (cardio-pulmonary resuscitation etc) then you will stay dead. The consciousness (the absence of it that is) of someone who has just died is no different than the absence of consciousness in someone who has been sent to the morgue. These are the facts, hope it helps clarify it somewhat.
I just finished reading a book called "The Science of Near-Death Experiences" published by Missouri University Press in 2017. It consists of several peer-reviewed articles dealing with this phenomenon. Interestingly, 11 of the 12 contributors believe that the evidence from near-death experiences suggests that our consciousness does, in fact, continue to exist after death.
To quote the editor of the book, John C. Hagan (also the director of the medical journal, Missouri Medicine): "Most of our ... physician-scientist authors believe we may be nearing the point where science proves that [near-death experiences] are real events occurring in a different, possibly spiritual rather than material, dimension and will ultimately be scientifically validated but are far beyond the powers of evidence-based science to understand and interpret." Wow.
I hope we can have an open mind about these things, because the evidence, whether we like it or not, is impressive. I highly recommend the book mentioned above.
Try Bruce Greyson,Robert Waggoner,Jeffrey Mishlove,Tom Campbell,Brian Weiss,Louise Hay.
"suggests that our consciousness does, in fact, continue to exist after death.
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Would that supposition also apply to other primates, or perhaps to any one of a number of animal species?
I think that is great news. Why would anybody not be encouraged by the idea of surviving death?
Johnny Ninetynine I sincerely hope that the opposite is true, and I would suppose that there are many others like me who also hope (and think) that death means the extinction of the self.
For a few months earlier this year a series of different scans showed unidentified nodes and one larger mass in my lungs. A bronchoscopy later showed that those spots were indicative of inflammation, not cancer. But during the several weeks when the doctors and I believed I had lung cancer, I came to experience a great relief at thinking that soon I would go back to where I was before I was born, unconscious, unaware, untroubled.
Death also seemed appropriate because I'm old and never took much care of myself. Very importantly, I found that I was finally at peace with my whole life, that I forgave myself for every false move, and that I was content with what was about to happen.
Of course, people are going to have different opinions about what they hope or fear about dying - so much depends on countless circumstances - but although the hope for life after death has been with us for millenia, there must be many like me who trust that death means total annihilation of the self.
Ed Esso what if life gets better after death? Have you considered that?
15 years ago, my mother-in-law died at home. A couple of hours before, she sat up in bed and looked forward smiling. My partner asked, "what do you see Mom?" She clearly said that her husband (she called him by name), was there (he had died 3 years before) and "he says he's going to take me for a long drive." She laid back down and passed a couple hours later. My own beautiful Mother passed this past Easter weekend. She was barely conscious. As I stood bedside, holding her right hand, she tried to raise up on her elbows. Her eyes had already lost their color, and she appeared to be squinting and she began to smile. I asked "what do you see Mom," and my Mother who was so very non-religious and rarely ever spoke of any afterlife, clearly said "It's so bright." She laid back down and died 7 hours later. I don't know what's there. I would never be so stupid to claim that I know, but I know there's something there. And whatever it is, it's big. Very, very big.
That’s a beautiful story I’m sorry for your loss I hope I’ll get to see my family again
I'm also very sorry for your loss, but it's quite possible that what they saw was just their Brains showing them their best memories or the things they loved and hoped to see again, so that they could go into their death more peaceful.(or something else of course)
@@akoto6351 That's possible, but scientific evidence is mounting that consciousness continues. Highly recommend looking into the research happening at the University of Virginia.
@@akoto6351 Why would it matter if our death is peaceful?
@@antattackBAM Yeah, don't know, eventually so that they ain't killing someone while dying. I think it is more like parts of their brains are shutting down and memories are displayed in their consciousness.
Great interview. I love Sam Parnia he has such a calm open manner. Long time fan of his research. Looking at the biggest question of all!
I have been following Parnia's research for over a decade. Very exciting stuff.
Because of Sam Parnia I now believe there is life after death were as before it was just faith now we have evidence I’m hoping in my lifetime we’ll know.
@@johnnyvidal698 It would be a good message for humanity if it's true. And I think there's evidence that it's true.
@@johnnyvidal698 what about the AWARES ll study? They say this study proves theres no life after death after all
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur what study 2 or you just making this up and trying to stick your poison in if so do one!
As a hospice RN for the past 3 years I’ve witnessed many many things that strongly implicate the existence of consciousness post physical death.
As a student of Vedanta and meditator for the past 10+plus years I’ve read texts thousands of years old that state consciousness is the fundamental substratum of the cosmos. I’ve had many experiences during meditation that support these claims.
please share things you've witnessed and experienced
When you die, you become one with the universe again, and then the universe manifests you back into a new life form, on a new planet. The only part of "you" that lives on, is the genetic lineage you leave behind.
My body moves by itself in meditation, that was a high evidence for me. Google Kundalini Kriyas
In the 80s my father laying in the bed with my mother watching tv It was around 8 pm, next to the bed they had a pile of cassette tapes under the table. And suddenly there was that sound you hear when cassettes tower fall over and my mother says the cassettes just fell, but when my father looked at them they were in place and a few minutes later the same sound but it turned out that the cassettes are fine. They couldn't understand why they hear this sound but cassettes are in place. After about 2 hours a doorbell rings, and when my father opened the door, it turned out that a postman came with a telegram in which it was written that his brother died 2 hours ago.
After watching 30 hours of videos about near life experiences and after life theories I must say that this interview is the most convincing one. Sam’s eloquence is outstanding.
As I commented elsewhere. He does NOT have evidence of life after a certain period of "death". He has evidence of consciousness as a brain is in the PROCESS of dying.
The takeaway point is not just that people are conscious after their heart and brain cease to function, but their claim that they are infinitely *more* conscious. Perhaps the brain is not a producer of consciousness, but a filter of it to stop us being overwhelmed by reality?
Many people who had NDE's would propably agree as they often are more 'open' after their experience & they 'know' stuff that will happen in the future or 'see' things others don't see.
LSD temporarily closes down parts of the brain - parts that are possibly designed to limit what we can perceive, which is why under theinfluence of the drug we can see more, understand more.
The assumption of knowing can be more dangerous then ignorance itself. We still have many many things to learn, we are still very ignorant despite all what we know today.
True that!! At best humans use only 10% of their brains! #sam is my Favorite
So keep looking for the answers in a book written by a medieval illiterate living in the desert. It's the future, that's for sure.
Robert, I have an answer for you. I speak from empirical experience having endured an NDE. Here is the truth.
The soul, which can be understood as the disembodied mobile will, is quite literally the self. Our physical bodies are shells for the soul, like avatars. This life on earth is a simulation of choice and spiritual dignity. How you live here determines the state of the soul hereafter. When you die or have an NDE, there is a very short transition phase out of the body. You essentially burst out over the course of seconds, or not much longer. It feels like your consciousness explodes as you break free from the body. Imagine the feeling of being under water until you can't take it anymore, then suddenly jump up to get air. Kind of like that only you're whacked in the head once you get out of the water.
From that point, you have hyper self-awareness, but little to no recollection of your recently evacuated physical earth existence. You then glide through deep space far past the stars and planets and enter a light realm where you are met by giant light beings (approx 10-15 feet tall and very stoic). You will be confronted by the leader/liaison who will communicate with you telepathically by motioning his arms at you and shooting golden beams which themselves are particles of perception which you instantly download. He will deliver the message you need to receive before proceeding into this realm.
I know how crazy this sounds, but I am essentially a Deist (the most stoic and rational of all belief systems) and this happened to me during sleep 100% sober. I was given the option to die in my sleep or go back. I've always been discontent with the trajectory of my life, so it was interesting that I was given this choice and more interesting that I instantly chose in fear not to proceed to the light realm. I realized life is a gift literally. We are all on borrowed time to do good and evolve each other before we go.
The problem with asking scientists these questions is they are only scientists. They are only supposed to talk about what they can measure and define in the physical sense. The spirit is other-worldly. You cannot find your soul through science or through religion. You must seek within and discover your true being. Having an NDE is very scary but infinitely enlightening. Now I can know there is an afterlife and don't have to believe by faith. In case you haven't gathered this yet, I try to avoid faith with as much as possible, because faith implies lack of certainty. Well now I have certainty. The spirit carries on. I know because I did. I experienced, however briefly, the other side.
So remember, you can't unlock truths of the spirit using science so it's very futile asking these people. They don't know. It's their job not to know this. You can't ask 99% of religious people either. They sell dogma, fear, greed, and second-hand values. It's best to find God by studying natural law and seeking within to know and evolve yourself.
I hope this helped. Interesting answers though, but these scientists are all blind by profession. They measure the body, and material existence. Not the essence which is spirit.
Thank you for this
very interesting, beautiful insight, thanks.
You're partly right. All that exists is the mind of gawd, of which your awareness is a part.
There is no 'self,' but only the illusion of self. Buddhism had it mostly correct as well.
The awareness you experience... the thing that never changes, and never disappears (you'll need to be taught how that's true), isn't YOUR awareness... it is gawds awareness. Gawd sees and knows all, because gawd is all there is.
Learn Upanishad teachings from good teachers. Start with Rupert Spira or Swami Sarvapriyananda.
@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt actually geddy is 100% correct not partially, you never had a nde so how would you know. You are just asking him to read NONSENSICAL literature that states theory not fact to what a nde presents.
Geddy, I find your nde to be extremely descriptive as I must of read 100s of them. My life here kinda sucked and could of been better, because I chose poorly,namely fear instead of love. I now finally grasped the concept choose love in all decisions.I feel after this life I truly dont want to ever incarnate again in this planet or another. I want to stay in bliss and happiness forever . Perhaps this was a successful incarnation after all.
Well, we’re all going to find out what happens so just go with the flow....
We might never know
Or not if there's really nothing after death
"We don't have consciousness before our birth" Who knows? Another thing we haven't discovered yet.
Not true. Developing fetuses are aware of some things.
We (humans) can’t see a lot of things. It doesn’t mean they don’t exist. This includes consciousness
There's a difference between memory and consciousness. It's more or less proven that memory exists as part of the brain (conditions like amnesia for instance). However, lack of memory doesn't prove lack of consciousness. For instance plenty of people have dreams they don't remember.
Not have memory of consciousness before birth is not evidence of a lack of consciousness at that time. ( otherwise I have been unconscious for most of my life:)
Death is an illusion, as is birth. Our consciousness transcends our seemingly material reality.
I really wish we do have life after death with the same family cause I love my family.
Same
Me too I sincerely hope it’s true
Me too
Cheems amen to that brother.
I hope i see my dogs too. I miss them so much
the out of body experience convinces me we have a separation of consciousness after death. there have been countless people - probably more than we realise - who had cardiac arrest and witnessed their resuscitation whilst suspended from the roof looking down on their physical self. i've heard so many of these stories. why, if you are unconscious and flatlined, would you perceive things from above and then be able to verify what you saw thereafter. doesn't make sense. there is definitely a separation of consciousness/mind after death.
It happens in trauma too, when trauma is happening - e.g. child abuse repeatedly - people dissociate themselves from bodily sensations and see themselves from above as a coping mechanism, a lot of evidence for it.
@@salmanisrar3772 the question is...is it an actual separation, or an illusion of separation? i am not convinced by the latter.
But nde's are a minority. Most people report nothingness when they died.
@@wormhole331 or perhaps they forget the experience, similar to having a vivid dream and forgetting it upon awakening.
@@wormhole331 i think there are different altered states of consciousness, and our waking awareness is just one example. i also think we have awareness during anaesthesia.
I’m crippled everyday by the thought of not been here anymore i love life and want to live it as long as possible I’m only young but I think the mind struggles to compute negative thoughts but just wish I could get over my death anxiety and the fear of the unknown
I personally think of it like this; who cares if there's an actual life after death? If there is, fantastic! If there isn't, also fantastic. You will not be worried about it after dying. However, the best way to live is to hope and even believe that there is one. There have been plenty people who act all tough and "cool" in saying that they don't believe and they aren't afraid of dying. However that is ONLY because they are way off from actually dying. At least not going to die from old age or illness anytime soon. However on the deathbed, at nights, that fear creeps in like a hunter on prey. *You are dying. You are going into oblivion. You are terrified* . This is no way to go through the last final days of life.. or even years if it's a slow burner.
Allow yourself to believe. What harm can be done? If the conciousness survives for a few minutes or hours after death, maybe that's an opportunity to experience a sort of "Fade to white" moment with a smile. Maybe your mind conjures up images of joy and bliss rather than fear and darkness that it might have from a pessimistics side of view. Maybe you can have an opportunity of fading into oblivion with a smile. Meeting a loved parent, child, grandparent or whatever. It might be your mind playing tricks on you, but still.. I think that's a peaceful way to go and you would not know the difference nor be aware afterwards to be disappointed.
Personally I believe. I'm not a person that goes to church because I do not imagine a God as one that truly wants praising and worshipping. I imagine him as someone that just wants to see us grow and prosper. I leave the praising to others. I would not think myself an equal to God, but I think he would enjoy some casual chats with his children.
I believe that the physical limitations of the human mind prevent us from knowing things that are presently beyond our ability to perceive. Maybe we will reach an understanding of it some day- until then, ‘keep the faith’.
Lawrence 😃🇦🇺
We are all on the lower rungs of a trillion rung ladder of knowledge and enlightenment
Best comment! I greatly agree.
It's very interesting to me how my normal self doesn't feel very spiritually but when I would get high on cough pills (DXM) all of a sudden I felt extremely spiritual and more love for Jesus and human beings. It's the strangest thing it's like something was opened when I did those pills.
Lawrence I agree
Parnia probably gave us the best answer you can possibly ask for. Even though he even explained it himself that consciousness after death is a mystery, Sam wasn’t biased at all.
If consciousness is non-local, as Dr Pim Van Lommel suggests based on his NDE research, then it follows that it must be eternal since by definition it is outside of time and space. No time, no end (since an end is a moment in time).
When my grandmother was aged 90, sleeping and near death ten years ago, my dad had been in the cafeteria near her room for hours, talking to a guy who lived there. He walked back into her room and ten seconds after he came back in, she died. All she needed to know was that her son was there, and she could leave.
Nursing home workers are a hardened bunch, but they report these kinds of phenomena all the time. They told me stories like people would visit their sleeping relatives and sit in the room for hours without them waking, then leave, and that evening their relatives would say, "Did you know my son/daughter/grandson etc. visited today?" Yet they hadn't been awake at any point during the visit.
When I listen to humanity describing why this or that doesn't exist... I just look back at ALL the past retractions and additions to it's past claims and am thankful that these folks don't have a clue at the possibilities of what Was and what Is...
Most pepole didn't use to brlieve the earth was flat but they sure believed that the sun rotated around the Earth and that different ethnicities meant different species. I believe they would be horrified of what's normal to us.
"We don't know everything yet" There is so much in that statement alone where unknown possibilities exist. Energy, vibration, there are many existences that thrive outside of materialism and for that reason, our faith "that there is more" can still logically exist as well.
After mu daughter died, I laid down to sleep one night soon afterwards and heard her clear as day, right in my left ear say, "Mom...open the box with a key."
I was not yet asleep nor fully awake.
I knew immediately she was talking about her coffin. I know her voice. I am completely sane, and I HEARD my daughter say this.
If it had been my OWN thought, or mind, I would have "thought" casket, or coffin, not box. She thought she was in a box. Study that.
Dr. Parnia was far more impressive in this clip than I was expecting, given his prominent role in conducting The Aware Study (published in the peer reviewed journal Resuscitation). He gave perfectly reasonable and acceptable answers to pointed questions by Dr. Kuhn regarding his current views on 'Life After Death'. In these views Parnia held strictly to scientific standards, yet with a nod to relevance of both philosophy and theology, while fully leaving open the possibility of a state of consciousness after death, and while admitting scientifc proof was presently (maybe forever) impossible to obtain. This suggests that, even in our 21st century, when it comes to the issue of life after death, if you're not already a believer "The Answer is Blowin' in the Wind".
The evidence is pretty clear that consciousness not only transcends the brain/body, it transcends the entirety of this material "dimension." We live in a nested reality, where the physical universe is a subset of a larger reality. We are therefore "spiritual beings" having serial material experiences in order to raise the level of our consciousness quality through a process of consciousness evolution. So not only does our consciousness continue after death, it existed before our birth (all of our births and deaths). Consciousness is immortal.
I have been aware of spirit most of my life and have no doubt we survive in spirit, once you have spiritual experiences it stays with you all your life. Ask and you will be shown but if you are sincere, but not a thing to be messed with.
Our conscience was there before we were birthed, we just don’t remember because our brain is what gives us the ability to remember things
Because our conciousness (in my theory) is filtered through the brain. Rather than conciousness IS produced in the brain. The conciousness filtered through the brain may remove our memories before our conciousness before birth. That's my idea anyway.
@@grimmraptorz8668 my theory is that the brain add new memory to our consciousness and obscure our past life memory.those children who remember their past life gradually fades away as they grow older.when I was 5 or 6 ,I always have the same dream every night of pillars falling on me and I will evade it.then one will hit me and I wake up crying with my mom cuddling me.as I grow older,it stops.if you watch those regression hypnosis, some can speaks languages which they never learn in this lifetime.
Eastern philosophy such as Hinduism always tell 1. What you call as me is not my body even not my mind
2. There is nothing called your consciousness and my consciousness. there is a universal consciousness and we all are part of same consciousness.
3. There is nothing called as my life and your life, we all share same life captured in small bubble giving us a sense of individuality. Whereas as a matter of fact we can’t live individually but in constant interaction with the cosmos. “What we inhale trees exhale in other worlds half of our lung is hanging out there open in wild”.
It's indeed fascinating to me how mature Hinduism is in comparison to other religions. And I say it as a non hinduist. Hinduism seems to describe the world we see much better I must admit than other major religions. Its so intuitive.
@@MrSbygneus Just to give a tip of the iceberg of Hinduism but very profound lecture of a swami in one of the premier institute of Technology in India IITK "Who am I". Please do listen it is much closer to truth. Note: I am not trying to convert you from your faith because in Hinduism there is no prescription for conversion. Enjoy Part 1:
ruclips.net/video/eGKFTUuJppU/видео.html
Part 2: ruclips.net/video/F0dugc4TrlE/видео.html
"there is a universal consciousness and we all are part of same consciousness." thats an assertion, how do you know?
It would make more sense to me if you said we are all apart of the Logos or the Tao. That's a monistic view of existence, which many of your points on Hinduism would assert. But which one of them justifies the term "consciousness"? I cannot see from a logical perspective how any do.
Pasquino 0 For a logical perspective and dissection of the consciousness subject, I would encourage you to watch the debate/lecture “Who amI?” In Hinduism scriptures especially Upanishads are written in form of debate and arguments and it is very much encouraged. Just to give a tip of the iceberg of Hinduism philosophy but very profound lecture of a swami/yogi in one of the premier institute of Technology in India IITK "Who am I". Please do listen it is much closer to truth. Note: I am not trying to convert you from your faith because in Hinduism there is no prescription for conversion. Enjoy if you like intellectual conversation
Part 1:
ruclips.net/video/eGKFTUuJppU/видео.html
Part 2: ruclips.net/video/F0dugc4TrlE/видео.html
I believe consciousness is eternal, the only reason we have bodies is so our consciousness can interact with reality of matter. Brain is part of the body, that allows for the control of the rest of the physical body but is not consciousness.
it always been the unanswered question of what happens we die we never have been able to find out what happens and we never will beable to i would just hope there is something good after this
#Sam Parnia = My Favorite! I could listen to him all day ~
Please remember that "we have limited minds"... so it's beyond our abilities to prove that there's life after death or not. But logically there's life after death. I believe in that. All
People who came back after death told us that there's something after death. And there's no specific area or cells in our brains that control consciousness... it's not intangible.
Consciousness =soul
My father had a cardiac arrest and was subject to CPR, he said he didnt see anything not remember anything. Quite like sleeping, ceasing to exist is the one thing that terrifies me. Not being able to think or experience anything...
@@IRedpunk Well, not everyone that survives cardiac arrest has a NDE, but those who had says with 100% assurance that we go on and dying is beautiful.
@@rafaelfreitas8477 I'm still looking for answers, though I doubt I will ever have confirmation in these times ! But it's nice to know the science world has started to do actual research on it !
@@IRedpunk Yeah, it's interesting when science is open for new ideas. There's a very good TV show on Netflix called the story of God by Morgan Freeman where sometimes he shows these combinations of Science and the unknown.
@@rafaelfreitas8477 Thanks! I unsubbed from Netflix but still got a few days left so I'll def check it out !
Believe or don't believe, that's up to the individual. But whether you believe or not, it's certain that death is universal and inevitable, and we must all face it.
Personally, I believe in continuation of the soul/spirit. What have I got to lose? 🤗🤗
This guy is very very very honest. He did not add in anything except telling the truth. At least we know consciousness still exists after the brain shut down. So mind and brain is 2 different thing.
We know that the consciousness exists during the process of death. They can't measure brain activity but they get the body to continue to live and then they call that death. It does make him sound real cool that he can bring people back from the dead.
My own research, based on NDE accounts, shows that people have a choice to remain in the spiritual world or return to the body, and in the latter case, it happens very quickly for them to return. It indicates the spiritual world exists and that what they are experiencing is real. Of course, we know nothing about those who stay.
I think belief in an afterlife is rational as long as we maintain that we could be wrong. Evidence can point toward a conclusion without necessarily proving it. In fact, I would argue that the vast vast majority of what most of us believe is just assumption.
Concluding that there is an afterlife is reasonable as long as the level of certainty you attach to it does not go beyond the evidence. But it is unreasonable to demand that people withhold belief until they are in possession of absolute proof.
Newsflash: most of science starts off with assumption and then people try to prove or disprove the assumption, often with random results.
The Science of today is the debunked information of tomorrow. The point being that everything we know is relational.
Of course it makes sense to study NDE'S and consciousness scientifically but we must also use philosophy and an open mind.
Our bodies are our personal vehicles but when they shut down we are still energy without the vehicle ❤️
The reality of all this is that we truly don’t know anything about human concussions or how it truly works. So, when people ask, “what happens after we die?”, really, the only true correct answer is “I don’t know”, because no one truly knows, it is what it is.
I used to be an atheist til I realized no one knows 💩and anything is possible
How does not knowing shit make god more plausible to the point where you wouldn't call yourself atheïst?
Even hardcore atheïsts like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens would admit that nothing can be asserted with absolute certainty. They are ultimately agnostic, and they admit this fully. However, to most they would be atheïst in the sense that they would reject any bullshit god of the traditional monotheïstic religions like Islam and Christianity.
So yes, most educated atheïsts are in fact agnostic when philosophical absolutes are concerned.
Yet, in colloquial terms, they would still qualify as atheïst.
@@moayadsalih3563 I can say with *near* absolute certainty that the bizarre, ridiculous gods of Islam and Christianity are a fiction. It is just a matter of probability.
For example, the probability of the entity 'Allah' and all its laughable properties as described in the Quran being true appears so exceedingly remote that in terms of its plausibility, it would be on par with magical unicorns running the universe. The point here is that we can't be absolutely certain of anything. So Allah being on equal footing with magical unicorns makes it an exceedingly unlikely 'creator' candidate, but me holding this view would still technically qualify me as agnostic whenf philosophical absolutes are concerned.
However, in colloquial use of the word, I'm definitely an atheïst and antitheïst, in part because of my open and outspoken hostility towards Islam and other forms of organized religion.
@@TehNetherlands
-->"nothing can be asserted with absolute certainty"
Are you experiencing awareness?
You are where I used to be. You're part way to the truth.
Yes, religitardation is a disgusting thought disease and you named the two worst offenders.
Now let go of beating that dead horse and move to Upanishad teachings.
Spoiler alert: All that exists is the mind of gawd.
To see it, you'll require a lot of prerequisite information
If you're genuinely interested, I'll recommend good places to start.
If you're not ready, that's fine as well.
I find this whole business a lot of Boulder Dash and jibber jabber
TehNetherlands Both atheism and religion could be wrong. It’s possible.
Maybe the "beyond" or whatever we call it is not bound by the same restrictions that we have here, namely restrictions like "time". This would make it plausible that consciousness is here and not here simultaneously which could help explain how consciousness arrive when we are "born" and leaves when we "die", but then also can comeback when we resuscitate someone since it never left but also never was here. This creates a paradox, pretty much like a hurdle that does not allow us to see and/or even imagine what actually happens after death, and maybe there is a reason for that.
What I am interested in is the relationship of consciousness to the rest of the body. If consciousness is fully embodied in the entire human body, and not just the brain, could it be possible that once the rest of the cells die off (they have not yet, as the good Doctor explains) that consciousness ultimately vanishes? I don’t believe this to be the case, but there is still so much we don’t know.
My own personal opinion is that consciousness is fundamental and the material is emergent. This makes more sense to me, seeing as how any reductionist view of consciousness ends in abject failure to explain consciousness. With that being said, it’s much more comforting to take this view and I sometimes fear my own inherent biases corrupt my view. Everyone wants this to be true and that can be problematic when trying to be objective.
It's logical to infere that consciesnes is fundament in Nature. Quantum physics points that way.
I personally agree with you that consciesness is all there is, and matter derives from it. It would makes sense of quantum physics more elegantly if that is the case.
What makes this conversation significant is that conventional science does not allow for ANY EXPERIENCE AT ALL during the moments that these experiences are being reported.
People have all sorts of compelling experiences and memories, but these experiences are potentially DISPROVING ASSERTIONS IN THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE.
the feeling you get when you see your loved one for the first time in a year.. the feeling you get when your dog dies.. the feeling you get when your favourite song comes on at your favourite artists concert.. the feeling you get when you watch an amazing movie or read a brilliant book.. the feeling you get when you kiss your crush for the first time.. it's not just the brain we have Souls
Neuroscientists would counter your statement, explaining that all those strong emotions are indeed chemicals reacting in our brain, endorphins, dopamine, adrenaline etc.
@@philosopher0076 correct
@@philosopher0076 That's physicalism, not neuroscience. Neuroscience is agnostic on the ontological nature of reality.
It's not an argument.
I've watched this particular video quite a few times and it always bothers me how the interviewer so quickly snickers at his question being answered at 4:32 . I'm glad there's people like Parnia doing this work, despite criticism from the mainstream. Maybe he won't find proof of non-local consciousness, but being able to resuscitate his patients after longer and longer periods of time is an amazing thing to try and achieve, him and his team are really doing impressive work.
Materialist scientists are the high priests of our day! they will all look very foolish one day
He snickers anytime he hears something that he has no answer for. Like only he has the “ correct answers”. I don’t know how he can legitimately call himself a “scientist “ if his searching stops at only what he presently knows.
@@timtrek
*Materialist scientists are the high priests of our day!*
Attempting to equate science to religion only serves to undermine religion, I always find it beautifully ironic that so many theists do this without realising they simply weaken their own position. It's also a dishonest to characterise science in this way as it's the antithesis of religion, it relies on evidence, demonstration, observation, verification and repeatability - something that religion lacks completely.
*they will all look very foolish one day*
Considering we've known science works very well for a long time now, I very much doubt it ;)
PS Science only deals with the material you dolt, there's no evidence there is anything but the material or that generated by the material.
@@timtrek they already look foolish these days, because any openminded person notices how they let their beliefs be an obstacle to their acceptance of the body of evidence. They insist in accepting only what confirms their own beliefs. And they don’t even realize how they are attached to their worldview and beliefs. Parnia gave a great example of how a true scientific approach is (“I’m not interested in my own opinion”), but probably the example was bypassed.
Robert Kuhn is actually very open minded, I think he was snickering more at the use of quotation marks than what Parnia was saying.
I like Kuhn precisely because he balances skepticism with open-mindedness in equal measure in whatever subject he is discussing.
My belief is that your soul, electrical impulses, whatever, leaves your body and travels through space and time until it is reborn not necessarily human but another being.
Its amazing how consciousness can continue after death I think if you want my Opinion that If Consciousness can continue for hours without brain function why would it disappear afterwards I believe it will last forever and this is when people can have Near death Experience's...
2020 and they still don't know! :( i will check again in 2030 ;)
Persons are composed of "Energy" and "Information". "Information" is "Immaterial / Non-Material". The most recent modern quantum physics discoveries are proving "matter" is actually the "illusion". The true nature of reality is the interaction of "Immaterial / Non-material" energy fields. Is there really a non-material existance? Even science can confirm that the human body is composed of many forms of energy. According to scientists, energy can neither be created nor destroyed (1st Law of Thermodynamics). So, when someone transitions from the "material" existence, his or her energy (the essence of that person) will have to continue to exist in some form. No longer in a "material" body, this energy will continue to exist in what may be referred to as a coherent field of energy (or spirit?). lord-jesus-christ.com/
nobody can ever knows
Well one of the scientists said if I am correct they will never find out what consciousness is.I think that’s correct.
@@alkintugsal7563 bs. elon is gonna transport consciousness into computer soon. they know what are they doing
One thing I do know for sure is that it is pointless to worry over things that can't be controlled or answered. If this is our only life, enjoy it and stop ruining it with obsession over death.
I put this video on Reddit, within an hour it was removed by moderators saying that there's no support for this claim. I googled it and found that indeed there's none, only a few papers from Sam.
What about the studies by van pim Lomell a Swedish cardiologist what about Michael Sabom another cardiologist what about Bruce Greyson neurobehaviorial specialist and psychologist what about Kenneth ring another cardiologist and Sam Parnia doctor at NYU several others there is support for this claim
The reason blinking out of consciousness and not existing on any level is so terrifying for people is because we can't fathom it. It's impossible to get your mind around what non-existence would be like, because somewhere deep down we know this isn't real. Just like the universe; we weren't, then we were, and will never not-be.
I've thought about this so intently that I've lost myself and am almost beside myself. It's like someone else is asking the question and I'm having an out of body experience. Difficult to explain but it freaks me out.
@@galaga8834 Don't forget, according to the law of thermodynamics, energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
That means every proton, electron, and quark that makes up your atoms and flows through your neurons creating thoughts has been around since the beginning of time, and will exist forever.
In short: Consciousness does last for several hours after death but it’s uncertain if it continues beyond that..
It likely will, I mean think about it. Conciousness is made up of energy, those are facts. Then take into account that some of the greatest scientists ever including Albert einstein explained in how energy cant be created nor DESTROYED, it only knows transformation. This quote gives off th likelihood that that it is highly likely that conciousness WILL continue forever, (possibly)
All I know is that I wasn't conscious before being born into my mom's womb.
Fantastic interview , great job on sharing such experience.
This kind of video helps to expand our understanding of life after death and how other smart people understand it.
True that! Most humans using about 8% of their brains! 10% at best - #Sam is my favorite!
Dr. Parnia was my doctor when he was at Stony Brook University Medical Center. He saved my life. He is a great doctor. He did ask me if I had a life after death experience. I was so frightened at the time that I couldn't tell. But I did see a special with him and Sanjay Gupta on A & E where people had experienced it. I live in Delaware now and I wish I could reach out to him and ask about this coronavirus. It scares me as I still have respiratory problems. I think he might be in NYC, NY but I'm not sure.
I'm glad you're trying to reach him. Not long ago, I saw what seemed to be his professional email, however, I don't recall which site I visited. Try putting some things in Google, should come up.
@@yitzhakgoldberg2404 Thank you
Please could you explain what you meant by that, Carol ? You were so frightened that you couldn't tell if you had an NDE ?
Hello how have you been doing lately?
This conversation is truly fascinating.
Simply Fascinating. Chills down my spine knowing that consciousness survives after death.
It's fine to hope or believe that but be so sure that no one 'knows' it.
@billy0 90 No, you don't.
@billy0 90 Because you are not dead nor have you ever been dead. No doubt many people have had fascinating near death experiences but I haven't heard of many actual death experiences in the last 2000 years.
@billy0 90 That we're alive.
@billy0 90 No, it doesn't tell me that. If consciousness is the effect of billions of brain cells communicating with each other then all we need is a brain which grows and develops from nutrients like any living thing.
Why does Robert assume "we don't have consciousness before our birth"? We certainly don't remember anything before our birth, but I don't remember anything from when I was two years old either. Does that mean I didn't exist, or I didn't experiece or feel anything when I was two, or one, or six months old? Some of Robert's opinions are quite unscientific, frankly.
Good catch, yeah, he does that a lot actually. We all have our bias I suppose. The smarty pant's think they're the only ones who don't :)
Conciousness arises from brain activity, you can’t be conscious without a brain. It’s incredibly justifiable to say you had no consciousness before birth.
@@keithsimpson6386 , the Dr said there was consciousness when the brain itself was flatlined. It's never been proved that consciousness comes from brain activity that I've ever read or come across. If that information is out there point me to it please.
@@keithsimpson6386 Congrats!!! Now you can go and tell David Chalmers you have the solution for the "hard problem."
Some Old Guy I would love an explanation on how consciousness can arise without a brain.
"I can only comment on the evidence" How true, and how difficult it is to get good evidence. I will personally vouch for consciousness beyond the physical body because of a limited number of (remembered) out-of-body experiences. It is plausible that consciousness carries on even as the host is dying. Not too much unlike rats leaving a sinking ship. We are not the body. There is no doubt (and it is a blessing I have been given these experiences) that individual awareness leaves the body and that this process has been going on a very, very, long time. These events are trans-religious, although you can get some insight from religion if you turn the gain way down and try to find common perspectives.
We exist, anything is possible
Yes, unless you've had an experience you can only hope. Most people will consider you delusional and hallucinating if you share it.
Human consciousness is just a part of universal consciousness. More and more science is accepting theories that consciousness could be in all matter at some level, or even that consciousness is the very foundation of matter. So until we have a better understanding of what consciousness even is, we will have a really hard time understanding what happens to human consciousness beyond that hour or so he's talking about or the before birth question.
However, so much has been discovered over the last 20 years or so. The fact we're able to study consciousness to the point we have is really encouraging. And it will just continue to progress.
Well, there're 2 distinctly different possibilities as per what I've understood (so far ...). The first is that the consciousness gets formed by/inside the physical brain with the interpretation of the sensorial input coming all the way from your physical senses to your (physical) brain, so it continues as a stream only as long as your brain remains active/functioning (at least a part of it irrespective of how measurable it is with the technology ...). Before you were born, your stream of conscious didn't exist. After you're dead, it would no longer exist either. It simply exists as long as your brain remains active, and ceases to exist upon your death (the exact time may vary based on for how long your brain cells remain active after your heart stops its circulation for good ...). In its true sense, the 'self' is only an illusion you tend to perceive on top of your stream of consciousness, so there's no such 'self' in reality to begin with. While this is the idea which I firmly held since my childhood, and which had seemed to me the most logical and rationally believable too for decades (I'm currently 41 years of age.), I have to mention the fact that I'm now becoming somewhat more open/tolerant towards the second possibility too, at least more than what had been the case in the past. With it, the stream of consciousness continues to exist as a separate entity irrespective/independent of the function of the brain, the consciousness simply takes only certain inputs from the brain once it's attached/coupled to your brain so that your brain remains your "window" to the outside world as long as it remains attached/coupled. But, strictly speaking, it remains a separate entity, so it continues beyond your brain death too at which point it gets detached/decoupled .... Well, sounds quite crazy and scary too .... I'm not exactly in a position to rationalize this second possibility, but certain seemingly credible (yes, only the seemingly credible ones I mean) reincarnation/rebirth cases/types across the world among different cultures, and especially the out-of-body experiences (OBE) mentioned to have been experienced by some during their near-death situations including certain seemingly accurate/credible explanations of visions accumulated being outside of their physical bodies too amidst such encounters have started to baffle me and really complicated my understanding on the topic. I don't say that there exists this heaven and hell thing being taught by most of the religious doctrines out there, no, but sometimes there might be another dimension/plane which is beyond the scope of our current understanding on what the consciousness and life truly is making any completely objective explanation infeasible, at least at this stage ....
Quantum Physics has shown that Reality is based on Probabilities.
A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of a functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by undirected random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.)
Furthermore, of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/ 10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer while trying to determine the origin of the universe.
A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely Irrational and Unreasonable hypotheses are what many of the world’s top scientists ‘must’ believe in and promote because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, biased, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview.
Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, Information, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic, subjective, biased ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millenia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by discoveries in Quantum Physics.
My intuition tells me when we die consciousness continues as seamlessly as it seems to when we wake from sleep and we may be born again as an intergalactic equivalent to Julius Caesar (think Xenu) or we may be the equivalent of the wildebeest calf that sticks his head out the womb to be greeted and eaten alive by a pack of wild dogs.
We are here forever in this time and in this time forever.
Throughout the history of theoretical physics there have been great minds on both sides of the materialists vs non materialists debate. Brain Green, Einstein, and Hawking on the materialists side vs Max Plank, David Bohm, and Heisenberg on the non materialists side.
Dunno if you'd characterise Einstein as a materialist. I don't think so.
@@pandawandas I think so since he considered consciousness to be caused by matter of the brain, axions, dendrites, neurons, etc. Plank, Bohm, Heisenberg thought consciousness created the physical world or that the world was inside consciousness and not a product of matter.
what about a person who is so called "brain dead" and then comes back years later-
if the consciousness continues even when brain is "dead" and it repairs itself & comes back ten years later then that also shows it surviving right?
There have been nde cases where they have been dead for a few hours, long after the brain ceases its functions. That's one of the most critical evidence to prove that ndes are a real deal.
So... "conscientious" is in essence, who you "really" are. Your "soul" as it were. Your soul was before your body was. And long after your body dies, your soul shall be. Think of your body like a new pair of gloves. Did your hand exist before you put on the gloves? Does your hand exist after the gloves have worn out and been disposed of? So the same is true for our souls. We are "spiritual" beings having a physical human experience. Long before our bodies were, we were. And long after our bodies "die" we continue on. That's the easy part. The hard part is where are you going after death? That's a much more important question that needs to be addressed!
I have had an alteration in time perception and time ceased to exist when I exited my body. I was hovering a few yards above, looking down on my body. Before I exited the body, I went from panicking and looping of the same scenarios over and over and over again and it felt like hell, like it was going to continue for eternity because I could not sense any time at all. Time did not exist anymore, and the same things were repeating in loops. It was each person I was with saying a particular thing. It would go from one person to the next to the next saying or doing the same thing and then like a rewind button it would happen again and again. It felt like hundreds of times this happened and that it would never end, while in reality I was only "out" for 5-10 minutes.
Anyways, after this hell I experienced which felt like it was never going to end, I basically had no choice but to beg God to help me and that is when I found myself out of my body, looking down, frozen in time. What was different was that it was completely silent and peaceful all of a sudden. It was like I was in a waiting room to determine whether or not I will be dead or not. Fascinatingly, I had so much clarity in my thoughts when right before I was freaking out thinking I was dying and stuck in time repeating itself. So it went from that eternal hell to *snap* I'm in the air, thinking clearly, asking myself if I am dead without the panic, looking down on my body, and seeing my horizon in a much higher field of view.
curiosity
P.s. I just ordered two of Dr. Sam Parnia's books and I am very excited to read them!
Here’s the thing with us physical being. WE ARE BORN OUT OF CURIOUSITY. That should summarize everything. Instead of using our energy to question the next evolution of our existence. Just Be alive and embrace all that is with good intentions at heart .
Parniamakes great points in this video. You can see Kuhn's frustration but Parnia has data on his side not personal opinion. I was just watching an interview with an ex atheist Dr. who didn't believe in anything. She drowned in a boating accident and was under water for close to 30 minutes until people pulled her body out of the water The thing is, she was still conscious. She was watching them work on her body and she encountered a being of light. So, Parnia is correct. It has been shown scientifically through his research and others that consciousness exist after death. How long does it exist after death or does it reincarnate are questions science can't answer but again, it can say consciousness survives death.
I hope I’ll come back but this time I’ll stay in school . Chose the career that I actually like and finally marry the right person and feel love for a change I know I’ll get it right if given the chance
Damn bro. . . . never to late if living in misery
If you come back, will you be jewish again?
You won't come back
I wonder what happens to our perception of time when we die since time is relative.
People who had NDE say that although only few minutes passes on earth where they were felt like hours also they claim that time did not exist where they were.
Time. There is no before or after.
You live forever in each moment .
Cant erase forever. You can experience yourself forever . Change I'm not sure
What is that evidence for conciousness to continue after death?
@jonny the boy I genuinly want to know, because I believe it anyway.
@@whoisthis9802 Thanks!
First off, conciousness has been proven to be made up of mainly energy. And what has also been proven about energy? It cant be created nor destroyed. I believe that conciousness has some sort of link to the soul. And that conciousness is rather filtered through the brain.
Another thing, ndes are most likely real. Think about it for a second. Hallucinations dont change your life, they don't change your opinion on death, they dont make you want to stay in the afterlife shown in the ndes, they dont show deceased relatives you never knew never knew what they looked like, their voices. And one of the most obvious reasons that their real is the fact that THEIR DEAD!!! HOW COULD THEY HALLUCINATE AFTER THEY HAVE DIED. After you die your brain functions ceases after about 3 minutes. But many people can stay dead for 5 minutes or longer. Isnt that blatantly obvious 🤣.
I don't know why people disbelieve in the afterlife when theres so much crucial evidence for it.
Grimm Raptorz this gave me so much more hope, thank you for this 🙏
Blind people having NDEs can see for the first time, all the doctors working on them and explain they never had a concept of colors before that...
We can all speculate and debate about what happens to us after our body dies. There is one thing for sure...all of us will eventually experience it for ourselves.
"We can all speculate and debate about what happens to us after our body dies."
Pointless speculation and debate as it's certain that
nothingnesses are quite immune from experiencing eventses.
We evolved to think about existents because of their high survival relevance.
Thinking about nothing was unhelpful and to this day is oft disapproved of.
Why zero was four thousand years late to the numbers conception party.
Why it's impossible to conceive of absolute nothing and our own non existence.
(When we close our eyes and attempt it, the effort is immediately defeated
by the unavoidable awareness that our thought exists).
"There is one thing for sure...all of us will eventually experience it for ourselves."
More accurately stated,
'There is one thing for sure... all of us will eventually die'.
Its logically impossible to experience death because
death means, and is, the end of experience.
A return to experience simply means the coroner made an error.
The coroner mistook 'suspended animation' for death.
I suppose definitions could be discussed.
Cheers!
Yes. Thank you for risking your reputation in a rigid orthodox scientific community to admit the possibility of the things.
4:51 that is a personal opinion. We assume consciousness doesn't exist before birth because we have no memory of having previous consciousness, but memory is a completely dependent brain function which consciousness is independent from. Memories are stored in the hippocampus and that doesn't form until... 18 months after birth.
I've had so many experiences in our house (turns out there was a mass killing within a few hundred feet of here in the 1800's) and I wasnt dead. I was wide awake so maybe there is something.
If conciseness survives death, how could it simply disappear shortly after? That doesn't make sense.
but there is no proof that it disappears after it might survive forever
It is highly likely that it lasts forever. I've connected it to a few things. First off, it's been proven by dr. Parnia that indeed conciousness continues after death. For longer he doesnt know. However, think about it for a second. Conciousness is made up of energy. Which is scientific fact. Amd heres the thing, many famous scientists; minds such as Albert Einstein explained that "energy cant be created nor destroyed. It only knows TRANSFORMATION'. Think about it.
Sam is completely right about doctors who believe in something greater.
There has been research on it and it’s more than not
yes. you are right.
No he's not.
Fantastic Reply and soo very true. We are disassociated from our true self, our consciousness. It’s sad and to me unbelievable that so many scientists are completely against this (still) theory about consciousness and the fact it’s separate from our “physical” body with all this empirical proof scientists like Sam Parnia are providing!
Yes it is
I've had people I never met tell me things it was impossible for me to know otherwise.
Why should consciousness have a materiality to it?
Because it is expressed, and recognised, through a material form. For humans and animals, the brain serves as a focus. For the plant kingdom, it is more diffuse (read "Brilliant Green"). So there is always a material interface, of some kind. Hence, consciousness has a materiality to it. That is not all it has to it. But it is a facet, or aspect.
Science in it's infancy, still, in 2021 need to raise their thresholds of measurement and understanding the human consciousness and body connections. Mind and consciousness are not the same. The body is simply a vessel for the consciousness which needs to complete it's obligations and responsibilities to the universe. True release will come only then.
Two things. - First: Calling something "dead" is a label and or definition only. We have to draw the line somewhere and as of now, it appears as arbitrary. Evidenced by the fact that we continue to be able to push that boundary with tech. ie; bring some one back after more and more 'dead'-time. .. Second: This idea of a 'consciousness" or 'soul" that survives after we LABEL someone 'dead', is based on a false and still unprovable notion of the existence of these things. It could very well be just like restarting your computer after turning it off. As long as it is not too damaged. .. Who's to say how long some one can be "shut off"?
Very well put, 'consciousness' isn't even that well defined. It's a catch all phrase that is very often abused. I'd say this video is pretty abusive of that term.
No. Insofar as people being "shut off " , there is indeed a time limit for the brain. As minutes go by the brain without oxygen gets hotter and the cells die off. They get permanently unusable.
@@amirmograbi I agree! I find it so fluffy the way the word 'consciousness' is bandied around. Especially - with all respect - among those who relate to Hinduism and then to New Age "ideas".
Roofuscat 2 who's name? But NDE's often have time stamps which show verification of real world events described by the NDE'er that they had no way of knowing during a time when they were flatlined. That fact invalidates your theory of simply a computer being turned off and on. These aren't hallucinations or dreams, but recollections of events that ACTUALLY occurred in the world while the patient had no brain function nor heartbeat.
@@philosopher0076 Citation needed. Also, NEAR death is NOT death.
I think most of us do have the memories, but they are blocked off. There are people who as children can remember, but the memories fade as they get older, like the boy who knew he was a pilot who had died
Yes, I think that you are one of the smarter ones.
Peace, love and happiness.
G.
I’m glad to be alive to just think about all this stuff. Fascinating
Just because you cannot remember having consciousness before birth doesn't mean you didn't have it.
Our lives are bounded by birth and death. That is from the perspective of seeing things in a passage of time. But what if there is another perspective which is timeless? What if our lives, and all events, can be seen in a timeless perspective as always existing and never passing away? People who have near death experiences often speak of this. 😐
So the memories of the self consciousness are apparently preserved in clinically dead brain cells for a period of limited hours, but is later cremated or buried and decays, it seemingly could transfer?...I don't know either.
No--not in brain cells. What Dr Sam Parnia is discussing is, on one hand, the physical brain (which eventually dies)--and on the other hand, our consciousness or "soul", which is different from the physical brain, and which survives death at least for some hours, if not longer or forever.
Can’t wait for January 6,
“A new Netflix docuseries, Surviving Death, will feature interviews from scientists, mediums, paranormal experts and child psychiatrists to explore near-death experiences, seances and other after-death communications, and past-life recollections.” “the series will include some familiar IANDS faces- Dr. Bruce Greyson, Kim Clark Sharp, Jose Hernandez, Dr. Mary Neal and Stephanie Arnold!”
We dont have consciousness before our birth???
Why does the thought of nothingness scare so many people? One of the comforts I find in death is the nothingness, that everything will just cease to exist. Just nothing, no emotions, no feelings, nothing. For me it's more comforting than a eternal heaven...or hell.
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Before being born was you scared, then after death you will not be scared, its pretty sad in the present to think of it, our brief look into this reality that we exist, we exist because the atoms have ensemble themselves into entities that can ponder its existence
There is afterlife coz we are one energy, energy is eternal
The only reason that know one’s commenting on this because it doesn’t say G*d in it.
@@Athingamabob do you know who or what really you are?
@@johnyoutube6746 where not god don't kid you're self i used be a new ager my self for many years it's all bs
@@Ravenstudios-s5o there are no gods,gods is only our guide to know what good and evil,god is only in our hearts and mind but the truth there is no god,do you still believe in heaven and hell,in angels,in miracles,its all a fairy tale
As Albert Einstein once said “energy can’t be created or destroyed”
I'd like to see 'Closer to Truth' engage in consciousness experiments, such as past-life regressions, psychic readings from a legitimate psychic, and astral projection.
Bruce Greyson
Pim Van Lommel
Janice Holden
Kenneth Ring
John Hagan
Eben Alexander
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Titas Rivas
Peter Fenwick
Michael Sabom
Who also huh?
Jean Jack Charbonier.. Also