Bill Cowher and several others in the league have already stated that this was common practice. Most of the people who still bring up Spygate are bitter fans of inferior teams.
Stop it, he did it AFTER being warned by the league to stop. And I want a citation for the Cowher comment. No other coach said what Bill Belichick did was common practice.
They were filming something that's out in the wide open for anyone to see. Jeez, it's not like they were filming something really all that secretive. All 60,000 fans in the stadium could look at the defensive coach's signals. Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher admitted to doing the same thing. Plus, coaches switch the signals from game to game. It comes down to execution on the field. Spygate was way overblown, and pathetic fans just want to use that excuse when their team loses to the Patriots.
Spygate was nothing. The NFL didn't even notice it when other teams did it in 2006 when they changed the rule. And that's the job of the NFL. In fact if they wanted to spy they would never have allowed him to film on the sidelines in view and be seen. And the video wasn't even used in real time. The opposing team can look at the signals being called just by looking at the coach across the field in real time. And every team changes signals in every game. Everyone knows that. Eric Mangini who told the NFL about the taping regretted it 4 years later. It thought they would just take the camera away and not have it blow up the way it did. And notice they've won a Superbowl since then . And they have in fact won more games since the taping cost. And one tape was in fact leaded to the press. It was 90 percent filming cheerleaders. No kidding.
The whole spygate thing boils down to this: 1. The NFL rule against taping says you can't "use it during a game." Belichick's interpretation was correct. 2. The memo was absolute in banning all taping, unlike the rule. 3. Twice in 2006, the NFL said it was OK with illegal taping, onc after a Phins-Patriots game, once after a Jets-Patriots game, when both the Phins and Jets were caught doing it. Why would the Patriots take the memo seriously when the NFL didn't take it seriously?
I already thoughts Spygate was overblown, after watching this interview that impression has only deepened. We basically had a first round pic and 750k stolen from us. It was armed robbery...
Overblown??! Not blown up enough when N.E. denies any involvement yet it was their guy, on own their team(coaching assistant). Recording Pre-Super Bowl Walkthru's and practices of St. Louis.. Yet that's alright? Feel sorry for kids who have parents as Cheatriots fans. No morals.
+jbrown223 Only the Cheatriots assistant got caught ...twice.. 4 Asterisks count them... 0 Super Bowls.. Get over it.. Notice how Tom The Fraud Brady was The Only person to get Booed when announcing S.b. Mvps @ the Super Bowl.. The only one.... Lol Whole entire Nfl fan base knows it..
Belichick does make a point with the availability of the signals. The interviewer mentions that although you can see and take notes of signals in the game, you can't use a videotaped signal to analyze and go over. Sure you can. Since people do take notes of signals in the game, they can write down what the signals are and at what time the defense uses them so you can backtrack and look at exactly what situations teams have used them in. Every team watches game tape, so you can always go back and cross reference those notes with the gametape. This would yield the same results as actually taping the signals.
@@RR-lv3tp yes it was. They were docked draft picks and fined for it. Roger Goodell then destroyed the tapes. Why can’t you just accept the reality dawg? I know your biased but come on! Us steeler fans dislike the ravens the most out of anybody but we respect them for winning the Super Bowl in 2012-13 because they did it fair and square. My team is turning into the Dallas cowboys. Just an underachieving embarrassing organization. But that’s neither here nor there. Own the truth dawg. You saying something a million times doesn’t change reality.
ryan jansen I actually do not think we will be screwed when Brady leaves. As long as Bill is still coach we will still win simple as that. I am more concerned about Bill retiring than I am Brady.
I love how people say they havent won anything after spy gate. Well they have been to two super bowls and countless afc championship games. They are on top of the league every year. People who say they are cheaters are just mad the Patriots beat the piss out of their team on Sundays
The CoDPatriot exactly people see the word cheat and success and freak the hell out. They don't bother thinking for themselves they just pick what someone else online has said and run with it.
The CoDPatriot I bet they all have a preloaded come back for morons like that haha. It's just a dumb excuse they have a better record after spygate than they did before. But because they haven't won a SB it's because they couldn't "cheat" 28 others teams haven't won either so I don't understand those people's logic.
His neck and up body language show he's telling the truth........ or at least he thinks he is..... he answers quickly, doesn't get defensive, never blushes, and doesn't stutter and has no problem making eye contact. Someone, on the other hand, trained this Armen Keteyian to grill him like a lawyer would and he was such a prick about it especially in the middle of the video
I'm a Bears fan....who loves the Patriots. Sounds crazy but I've been a Brady fan since his Wolverine days. This team reminds me of the 90s Chicago Bulls, stud player, genius coach, and talent that no other team can touch, so the other teams' fans resort to hate. I love it.
didnt you hear what Armen said? "From september of 06 to September of 07, you recorded other teams signals". The pats won 3 superbowls by no means what so ever easily, they worked their asses off, and its the players that play, regardless of whether you know the signals or not. The three superbowls were much before 2007. This is why i respect Bill Belichick so much, he gets spygate slapped on his face, and how does he respond? By coaching his team to 16-0.
Andy, that was very classy of you as a Giants fan. I think that this whole thing was also blown out of proportion, especially by ESPN. Anyone remember Tom Jackson's "they hate their coach" quote in 2003 after Lawyer Milloy was released? Belichick confronted Jackson afterwards, and the media has never liked Belichick to start with. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the haters need to think for a minute and stop acting like a bunch of idiots.
The NFL needs to suspend Belichick for a year. That would be a just punishment in response to these eight new illegal videotapes going back all the way to the Patriots' 2000 season. Of course, it's obvious that Goodell and the NFL owners want this to go away. They know that it raises questions about the legitimacy of one of their signature teams and they're insulting the intelligence of their fans - not always an easy thing to do - by being so dismissive.
Before the haters get started Most of the Patriot haters that talk about “SPYGATE” on a regular basis have NO IDEA what it was about, or the time table in question. It’s funny to me that they think it was cheating, or in anyway, negates the Pats 3 rings… Here is a history lesson for you so the next time you want to talk about “SPYGATE”, you actually know what happened! “SPYGATE” is in the reference to the illegal taping of defensive signals from the sidelines, for viewing AFTER THE GAME, which was deemed against the rules back in 2006. This new rule was established in a memo from Roger Goodell’s office and sent to ALL teams in the NFL. Not just the Pats… Let me repeat… This memo was sent to ALL TEAMS IN THE NFL… The reason being is because “SPYGATE” had likely been done by several teams in the NFL for DECADES, and NO WHERE IN THE RULE BOOK did it say it couldn’t be done. The rules clearly stated that you couldn’t tape from the sidelines t use that information for assistance DURING the game. It said NOTHING ABOUT TAPING FROM THE SIDELINES TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION AFTER THE GAME. Which is EXACTLY what we are talking about! With that being said, the actual “SPYGATE” controversy is about the Patriots continuing to tape these signals from the date the memo was sent out in 2006, to their 2007 season opener against the Jets on 9/9/2007. Anytime, before this memo in 2006, including their 3 Super Bowl titles, IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. What is in question is the 2007 preseason and the 2007 season opener against the Jets. THAT IS ALL,, So if you want to call the Pats cheaters during that 1 year time frame, but all means. They were CHEATERS. Too bad for your hater narrative, all of the Pats 3 rings were won before 2006. So what they were doing at that time WAS NOT CHEATING! Could someone intelligent please explain to me how a rule that came out in 07, and a reminder memo that came out in preseason 07, and the pats were caught in game one of 07, had a dam thing to do with any of there three sb championships that they won years prior. Just sayin’ Fox NFL Sunday, September 16, 2007. Former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson said, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody.” Oh also, as for the AFC East being a cake walk, do some real research before ya’ll spout off looking and sounding totally clueless, and a mere make believe football fan Winning percentage per division since 2002: AFC East: .525 NFC East: .518 NFC South: .515 AFC South: .512 AFC North: .509 AFC West: .488 NFC North: .480 NFC West: .453 So deal with it, most successful NFL franchise in over a decade. The funny thing with these blogs are the ones that complain the most have never even been in sniffing distance of a championship.
"While the Patriots were taping opposing signals, they won 69.3 percent of their 127 games (including the playoffs), but since they ostensibly quit the practice, their winning percentage has been even higher - 75.6 percent - in 123 games. At a glance, it seems rule-bending didn’t add much of note to the Patriots’ chances of winning." I am a Chargers fan so this is coming from a completely unbiased angle. Although of course they're are many surrounding factors included in a teams success, I really find it funny that people discredit the Pats to such a degree. Minus all the spying, the talent and effort on those Super Bowl teams was unsurpassed. All the big plays and clutch moments they had on both sides of the ball are completely discredited now as if the spying caused them to occur lol. I understand why it could be seen as an advantage and it should be punished of course but I mean at least give them some credit. They were one hell of a football team. And yes they haven't won a super bowl since, but they're winning percentage afterwards has only risen by 6% since then. They've remained the most consistently dominant team in the NFL. What does that tell me ? The Pats game planning, preparation, and execution were the main reasons for their success. They've made it to multiple AFC champ games since, they just haven't been able to finish out. Again, im a massive Chargers fan, I just feel that the Pats deserve more credit for their successes then they are generally given and I like to give credit where it's due.
He is much better than all of those coaches. He is the most influential coach in the league, the smartest, best talent evaluator and so on... 3 super bowl wins in a decade, with free agency and the salary cap makes him among the best if not the best. People hate him cause he wins and they look for anything, most insignificant things, to make him look bad. You dislike him cause he is the best and he is better than whoever coaches your team. No question.
killevree1 And of course we know goodell & the league are always 100% fair & balanced with their disciplinary actions, as the recent court ruling showed.
Belichick is being sincere about one thing: in the grand scheme of compiling information for a game, thee videotapes play a very small role. i just dont see how people don't understand this.
The whole Spygate thing is so overblown, it's absolutely ridiculous. Wow, they watched a team's practice. That's not much different than watching a team's game film. The Patriots' stats have been way better since Spygate. Goes to show how little it mattered.
Socotty, do you know the rules? Apparently not. It says you can't use the video "during a game." Belichick is right. As for Walsh's knowledge of football, he played golf in high school. He was a videotaper. he got fired because he was a bad videotaper. You think the interns for the Pats have football knowledge?
Bill knows Walsh was wearing a patriots uniform when he was taping but then Bill says he doesn't even know if he could recognize Walsh? A little inconsistent. Also, It doesn't matter if anyone can read the signals, it matters that the league clearly had a rule that prohibited the taping of the signals. As a third year law student I can tell you that Bill's answer conveniently came straight from the mouth of a lawyer.
ITS NOT CHEATING, they broke a rule got severely punished it was over in september, it never should have been a story. If he had no intention on hiding it than why is it an issue
Also remember the 16-0 game in New York, never happens and going into SBXLII the Giants have almost no scouting report on the Patriots. The 16-0 game forced the Patriots to reveal their hand... was said in a SBXLII recap video that the 16-0 game gave the Giants the blueprint for SBXLII
@gfscarface13 That is a bad example. Baseball considers that "legal" as it's impossible to prevent. It's deeply looked down on, but ultimately considered "okay" since it's impossible to prevent.
Its funny how many people really hate this man-he's just a better coach than anyone else in the league. You could give Dungy the playbook two weeks before a Pats-Colts game and he would still lose. People are jealous of the Pats because they win more than their team, better coached, better QB.
Belichick obviously was trying to distance himself from Matt Walsh by saying that he had very little contact with him. Belichick is meticulous with detail and that involves cheating and interacting with his coaches. Anyone who thinks Belichick had nothing to do with that taping has their head up their rear end.
To all of us criticizing BB, I'm just curious: would we take him as the head coach of your football team? I would in a heart beat and I'm a Cowboys fan. We can say whatever derogatory things we want about BB to make ourselves feel better about our own coachs' inadequacies, but at the end of it all, he's still the best. He's 52-15 since Spygate (with a better winning percentage than before Spygate) and with the way he's stockpiling draft picks, I hate to think about how much more he'll win.
If Spygate never was violated by Patriots... they probably never go... 16-0, 18-0 and then 18-1... they really went crazy trying to brutalize teams that season following Spygate. Had Spygate not gone down... they probably would've had a 14-2 season with 20% less scoring and won the Super Bowl over the Giants... again not having to deal with SpyGate and the pressures of 19-0.
Ketayan did a terrible job here. He clearly wants to grill Belichick but he keeps asking fluff questions like "Is Matt Walsh out for revenge?". Who gives a fuck, the story here is not Matt Walsh, it's what the Patriots did. Belichick must've said 10 times "the signals are there for everyone", and all Ketayan had to say was, "Then why is it against the rules to videotape them?". It was so frustrating that this question never even occurred to him.
He made a mistake once, ONCE. Not all the fricken games, bill is a good coach, and smart enough to think of trying to learn about there opponent, and he didn't go against the rules anymore than once anyways, he admitted it, which is good
+Joseph Stalin to have nothing but asterisks.. It's called Morals lol Hating?? No being real.. I wouldn't root for my team if it happened to them.. #Dumbass
To be fair, Bill said that he could probably not point out Walsh before the press came out and it became their problem. Obviously they looked at the tapes for anything to disprove Walsh and his allegations. The majority of this situation was a blown out of proportion "press scandal". Regardless of fault, this knowledge is readily available to everyone and there were other teams mentioned in the report for doing it.
Yeah, Eli sucked to the point of beating the Pats in the Superbowl. But I guess if you're a Pats fan, he sucks cuz he ruined the whole perfection deal. That still must hurt.
The rule: Use at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which a club is a participant, any communications or information gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic device that might aid a team during the playing of the game;
Former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson said, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody.”
@jrock8693 wth u talking about? Manning didnt choke in the superbowl. Brees played unbelievably well. Garcon dropped a pass--changed the tempo--lost the onside kick. Yep, seems like it was all Manning.
Armen Keteyain is hard to trust, just go look at the interview he did with Roddy Piper when Armen edited the interview to make it seem that Roddy was taking shots at WWE when he wasn't. I became A Patriots fan in November 2001 when my dad took me to a game vs Buffalo. I then saw the Pats win 3 out of 4 Super Bowls and now lose the 2 Super Bowls in Heartbreaking fashion. To say the Reason for those 2 losses is Spygate is BS! I am a Pats fan but not your average fan
I agree with Bill. They were filming something that's out in the wide open for anyone to see. Whoopty f'n doo. Spygate is one of the most overblown stories ever.
Haters need excuses to justify their jealousy and envy in their pathetic hateful lives. It is very sad but as a Champion you don't concern yourself with hateful losers, it is their job to hate so let them do their job. Go Pats!!!
That's funny, because im pretty sure the superbowls that they did win also came down to one play.. cameras don't determine whether or not a kicker makes the kick, or if somebody catches the ball.
That's why cheaters never win. They got caught and I don't think it affected the season since they caught it in the first game. But the integrity of the game was jeopardized, and that in itself was unforgivable.
Did you not understand what he was saying? It seems like you have no understanding of the context. He was saying he couldnt recognize Walsh on the street, or in a police line-up. I don't think Walsh wears a patriots uniform everywhere he goes. This is all just a technicality that had no reall impact on the games, admit it. Yes he broke a minor rule, yes he was punished its done with. To say that contributed in to the 3 superbowls is laughable. He'll just put 5 more in the press box to study.
@gfscarface13 We have the best overall record league since the spygate. Losing in the playoffs is a different story, but we have the best win percentage out of any team since then.
I think he was scapegoated for something that probably more than a few teams do. In any case, he was caught, punished, and still went to the Super Bowl twice. True he didn't win either but he came darn close, and the Patriots are still very much a force to be reckoned with during the regular season.
If anyone is still talking about the spygate scandal at this point, then that person must be pretty bored and stupid. Not ony were the patriots not the only team to use this technique (because every coach should try to do whatever it takes to gain a competitive edge at the NFL level), but didn't we prove that using this technique had little to no effect on the Patriots' winning ways? In 2007 they went 16-0 in the regular season! In 2010 they are currently 13-2 and #1 in the league! Get over it!
as far as you boasting that you are in law school,as a Attorney or not which i happen to be it is obvious that bill was answering the questions truthfully he wasnt hiding anything, this was after he was already punished by the league he had nothing to hide.filming signals was deemed illegal in 06, he was guilty of it, he took it on the chin, while all of the other coaches packed their cameras up and let out a sigh of relief he was a man he didnt point fingers.good luck on your bar exam kid
First of all, thanks for making this post personal. Regardless, as an attorney I am sure you understand that there are reasonable interpretations of rules and then there are the interpretations that lawyers come up with in a last ditch effort to save face for a client. In these situations attorneys sometimes rely on counterintuitive yet logical interpretations that stretch the boundaries of a rule to the point where conventional wisdom would suggest absurdity. Just my opinion. Nothing personal
I think this really was an honest mistake on their part. It'd be a lie to say that most of the teams in the NFL don't try to figure out what the signals are, either on the sideline or on the field, especially in the case of Peyton Manning. With that being said, I think with the way how this scandal is hanging over the Patriots heads, it's created more pressure for them to perform in the playoffs. That stigma, may even help explain why they've uncharacteristically lost games they should have won.
He claims he did not cheat. He just made a mistake. He did not cheat. He just made a mistake. Wasn't the mistake he made cheating? He was open about videotaping other teams during games. He wasn't allowed to videotape.
he thought he really had some questions that would trip up old Bill..the funny thing is everyone did the same thing....anyone who thinks the pats were the only team to ever think of filming signals instead of writing them down should give their head a shake, if anything came out of this it should be that Bill is a solid dude he knew everyone else did it, he took the bullshit like a man and moved on. nobody can take away his success thats why this is forgotten.
What the hell does Specter know about football? what right does he have to step in on this situation? It has already been handled, and everybody shuold get over it. In pro football, A team could know exactly what the opposition is going to run, and it does NOT make a lick of a difference if the players can not perform.Isn't what walsh got fired for illegal to? It is illegal to record any private conversation without the other person knowing.this guy is just trying to get his 15 minutes of fame.
Filming signals doesn't do much good. Ever notice how there are two or three coaches flashing signals from the sideline? Only one coach is the "hot read". The other two are fakes. Trying to figure out which coach is "hot" is more trouble than it's worth because the hot coach alternates from play to play. It's much easier to guess the play from the body language of individual players. If it's a pass play a guard might rock back on his heels but shift his weight slightly forward if it's a run. Brady is a wizard on reading the body language of linebackers and cornerbacks.
im not a colts fan but even if peyton wasnt pulled out of the jets game they wouldve lost in the next week against the bills since that was snowing HARD
Have other coaches video taped signals? We're not sure. They may have prior to the 2006 memo, but unless they come out and admit it now then we won't know for sure. What we DO know for sure is that other coaches and teams have stolen signals via binoculars, notepads, audio recording devices, lipreaders, etc, and they still continue to do that to this day. Stealing signals is not against the rules, VIDEO TAPING the opponents signals is against the rules.
How about instead of Goddell having "integrity" checks on insignificant shit like this every team did, he finds out why some officiating crews have racked up discrepancies in up to 800 yards in judgement only calls over the course of a season. It's amazing how just breathing on a guy will get you a pass interference call now with some of these officials. Remember when a receiver getting laid out was cause his qb left him exposed?
@gfscarface13 Except for the fact that it is done by every team and the league and the fact that it honestly wasn't really in the rules. EVERY team does it. EVERY team's legacy is tainted then.
I agree. But even if you have the other teams signals, and they all do. You still have to make the play. Randy still has to leap over defenders and fight to catch the pass in double coverage. You still have to physically out play. In that way signals are useless. If they are good simply because they cheat, why are they winning since the signal taping stopped??? They are still good and there's nothing anyone can do about it and that's why other fans & even the NFL has a problem with it...
Bill Cowher and several others in the league have already stated that this was common practice. Most of the people who still bring up Spygate are bitter fans of inferior teams.
Stop it, he did it AFTER being warned by the league to stop. And I want a citation for the Cowher comment. No other coach said what Bill Belichick did was common practice.
They were filming something that's out in the wide open for anyone to see. Jeez, it's not like they were filming something really all that secretive. All 60,000 fans in the stadium could look at the defensive coach's signals. Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher admitted to doing the same thing. Plus, coaches switch the signals from game to game. It comes down to execution on the field. Spygate was way overblown, and pathetic fans just want to use that excuse when their team loses to the Patriots.
"There were instances where opposing coaches waved at us on the videotape"
LOL...
Spygate was nothing. The NFL didn't even notice it when other teams did it in 2006 when they changed the rule. And that's the job of the NFL. In fact if they wanted to spy they would never have allowed him to film on the sidelines in view and be seen. And the video wasn't even used in real time. The opposing team can look at the signals being called just by looking at the coach across the field in real time. And every team changes signals in every game. Everyone knows that. Eric Mangini who told the NFL about the taping regretted it 4 years later. It thought they would just take the camera away and not have it blow up the way it did. And notice they've won a Superbowl since then . And they have in fact won more games since the taping cost. And one tape was in fact leaded to the press. It was 90 percent filming cheerleaders. No kidding.
Bill is smart with his words: legend
like a cheating snake or like a guilty criminal.
Okay N.E. fans c/o, c/o, and complain some more !!
The whole spygate thing boils down to this:
1. The NFL rule against taping says you can't "use it during a game." Belichick's interpretation was correct.
2. The memo was absolute in banning all taping, unlike the rule.
3. Twice in 2006, the NFL said it was OK with illegal taping, onc after a Phins-Patriots game, once after a Jets-Patriots game, when both the Phins and Jets were caught doing it.
Why would the Patriots take the memo seriously when the NFL didn't take it seriously?
I already thoughts Spygate was overblown, after watching this interview that impression has only deepened. We basically had a first round pic and 750k stolen from us. It was armed robbery...
Overblown??! Not blown up enough when N.E. denies any involvement yet it was their guy, on own their team(coaching assistant). Recording Pre-Super Bowl Walkthru's and practices of St. Louis.. Yet that's alright? Feel sorry for kids who have parents as Cheatriots fans. No morals.
+jbrown223 Only the Cheatriots assistant got caught ...twice..
4 Asterisks count them... 0 Super Bowls.. Get over it..
Notice how Tom The Fraud Brady was The Only person to get Booed when announcing S.b. Mvps @ the Super Bowl.. The only one.... Lol Whole entire Nfl fan base knows it..
+Iconhulk the NFL fan base? wut?
+Iconhulk you mean the LA rams right? get shit on by New England more St. Louis. 2 world series a super bowl...
+jbrown223 WHAT 4 SUPER BOWLS ? YOU HAVE 4 ASTERISKS..
Belichick does make a point with the availability of the signals. The interviewer mentions that although you can see and take notes of signals in the game, you can't use a videotaped signal to analyze and go over. Sure you can. Since people do take notes of signals in the game, they can write down what the signals are and at what time the defense uses them so you can backtrack and look at exactly what situations teams have used them in. Every team watches game tape, so you can always go back and cross reference those notes with the gametape. This would yield the same results as actually taping the signals.
No. Dumbass.
Yes you can watch game tape. You can’t videotape private practices.
@@maryconn1 It was never proven they videotaped practices. Im sure you're just mad, cause we beat the steelers ass for years 😂 how they lookin btw lol
@@RR-lv3tp yes it was. They were docked draft picks and fined for it. Roger Goodell then destroyed the tapes. Why can’t you just accept the reality dawg? I know your biased but come on! Us steeler fans dislike the ravens the most out of anybody but we respect them for winning the Super Bowl in 2012-13 because they did it fair and square. My team is turning into the Dallas cowboys. Just an underachieving embarrassing organization. But that’s neither here nor there. Own the truth dawg. You saying something a million times doesn’t change reality.
@@RR-lv3tp did you even watch this video???
still wining games.
But not Super Bowls so that ends THAT theory.
British Jenni_Pixie Explorer What theory? Did you read the actual rulebook? Belichick obeyed the rulebook; Roger Goodell didn't.
they just got better at hiding it
Not for long soon as brady leaves which will be in 2017 you guys will be screwed
ryan jansen
I actually do not think we will be screwed when Brady leaves. As long as Bill is still coach we will still win simple as that. I am more concerned about Bill retiring than I am Brady.
I love how people say they havent won anything after spy gate. Well they have been to two super bowls and countless afc championship games. They are on top of the league every year. People who say they are cheaters are just mad the Patriots beat the piss out of their team on Sundays
Lol I agree man patriot haters just use spy gate as an excuse to hate them when they don't even fully understand it
The CoDPatriot exactly people see the word cheat and success and freak the hell out. They don't bother thinking for themselves they just pick what someone else online has said and run with it.
Danny Pelton Yup and I bet the patriots themselves have to hear it from people all the time
The CoDPatriot I bet they all have a preloaded come back for morons like that haha. It's just a dumb excuse they have a better record after spygate than they did before. But because they haven't won a SB it's because they couldn't "cheat" 28 others teams haven't won either so I don't understand those people's logic.
pats suck. have not won shit in 10 years. he will never be the great Joe montana
One of two best NFL coaches in NFL history. The AFC east has the two best coaches in the NFL history. One retired and one still active.
His neck and up body language show he's telling the truth........ or at least he thinks he is..... he answers quickly, doesn't get defensive, never blushes, and doesn't stutter and has no problem making eye contact. Someone, on the other hand, trained this Armen Keteyian to grill him like a lawyer would and he was such a prick about it especially in the middle of the video
And the pats still one of the top teams....
And still are
No more. It was all Brady. Now we know
I'm a Bears fan....who loves the Patriots. Sounds crazy but I've been a Brady fan since his Wolverine days. This team reminds me of the 90s Chicago Bulls, stud player, genius coach, and talent that no other team can touch, so the other teams' fans resort to hate. I love it.
somehow i feel that armen kateyian is attacking bill belichick...
Interpretations belong to wisdom. Religion; policy in the classroom.
didnt you hear what Armen said? "From september of 06 to September of 07, you recorded other teams signals".
The pats won 3 superbowls by no means what so ever easily, they worked their asses off, and its the players that play, regardless of whether you know the signals or not. The three superbowls were much before 2007.
This is why i respect Bill Belichick so much, he gets spygate slapped on his face, and how does he respond? By coaching his team to 16-0.
Andy, that was very classy of you as a Giants fan. I think that this whole thing was also blown out of proportion, especially by ESPN. Anyone remember Tom Jackson's "they hate their coach" quote in 2003 after Lawyer Milloy was released? Belichick confronted Jackson afterwards, and the media has never liked Belichick to start with. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the haters need to think for a minute and stop acting like a bunch of idiots.
The NFL needs to suspend Belichick for a year. That would be a just punishment in response to these eight new illegal videotapes going back all the way to the Patriots' 2000 season.
Of course, it's obvious that Goodell and the NFL owners want this to go away. They know that it raises questions about the legitimacy of one of their signature teams and they're insulting the intelligence of their fans - not always an easy thing to do - by being so dismissive.
Before the haters get started
Most of the Patriot haters that talk about “SPYGATE” on a regular basis have NO IDEA what it was about, or the time table in question. It’s funny to me that they think it was cheating, or in anyway,
negates the Pats 3 rings… Here is a history lesson for you so the next time you want to talk about “SPYGATE”, you actually know what happened!
“SPYGATE” is in the reference to the illegal taping of defensive signals from the sidelines, for viewing AFTER THE GAME, which was deemed against the rules back in 2006.
This new rule was established in a memo from Roger Goodell’s office and sent to ALL teams in the NFL. Not just the Pats… Let me repeat… This memo was sent to ALL TEAMS IN THE NFL…
The reason being is because “SPYGATE” had likely been done by several teams in the NFL for DECADES, and NO WHERE IN THE RULE BOOK did it say it couldn’t be done.
The rules clearly stated that you couldn’t tape from the sidelines t use that information for assistance DURING the game. It said NOTHING ABOUT TAPING FROM THE SIDELINES TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION AFTER THE GAME. Which is EXACTLY what we are talking about!
With that being said, the actual “SPYGATE” controversy is about the Patriots continuing to tape these signals from the date the memo was sent out in 2006, to their 2007 season opener against the Jets on 9/9/2007.
Anytime, before this memo in 2006, including their 3 Super Bowl titles, IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
What is in question is the 2007 preseason and the 2007 season opener against the Jets. THAT IS ALL,, So if you want to call the Pats cheaters during that 1 year time frame, but all means. They were CHEATERS. Too bad for your hater narrative, all of the Pats 3 rings were won before 2006. So what they were doing at that time WAS NOT CHEATING!
Could someone intelligent please explain to me how a rule that came out in 07, and a reminder memo that came out in preseason 07, and the pats were caught in game one of 07, had a dam thing to do with any of there three sb championships that they won years prior. Just sayin’
Fox NFL Sunday, September 16, 2007.
Former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson said, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody.”
Oh also, as for the AFC East being a cake walk, do some real research before ya’ll spout off looking and sounding totally clueless, and a mere make believe football fan
Winning percentage per division since 2002:
AFC East: .525
NFC East: .518
NFC South: .515
AFC South: .512
AFC North: .509
AFC West: .488
NFC North: .480
NFC West: .453
So deal with it, most successful NFL franchise in over a decade. The funny thing with these blogs are the ones that complain the most have never even been in sniffing distance of a championship.
Can I get some sources on that?
"While the Patriots were taping opposing signals, they won 69.3 percent of their 127 games (including the playoffs), but since they ostensibly quit the practice, their winning percentage has been even higher - 75.6 percent - in 123 games. At a glance, it seems rule-bending didn’t add much of note to the Patriots’ chances of winning." I am a Chargers fan so this is coming from a completely unbiased angle. Although of course they're are many surrounding factors included in a teams success, I really find it funny that people discredit the Pats to such a degree. Minus all the spying, the talent and effort on those Super Bowl teams was unsurpassed. All the big plays and clutch moments they had on both sides of the ball are completely discredited now as if the spying caused them to occur lol. I understand why it could be seen as an advantage and it should be punished of course but I mean at least give them some credit. They were one hell of a football team. And yes they haven't won a super bowl since, but they're winning percentage afterwards has only risen by 6% since then. They've remained the most consistently dominant team in the NFL. What does that tell me ? The Pats game planning, preparation, and execution were the main reasons for their success. They've made it to multiple AFC champ games since, they just haven't been able to finish out. Again, im a massive Chargers fan, I just feel that the Pats deserve more credit for their successes then they are generally given and I like to give credit where it's due.
Classy and thank you. The narcissism and our society's inability to admit they're wrong and they got duped, is embarrassing.
Having perfect credit or wheyre through
Even if it was deliberate, that's the NFL's problem for not writing the bylaw in a way that ties all loose ends. Court of law: Bill wins.
I MISINTERPRETED THE RULES
He is much better than all of those coaches. He is the most influential coach in the league, the smartest, best talent evaluator and so on... 3 super bowl wins in a decade, with free agency and the salary cap makes him among the best if not the best. People hate him cause he wins and they look for anything, most insignificant things, to make him look bad. You dislike him cause he is the best and he is better than whoever coaches your team. No question.
The look of guilt and story of guilt
It was cheating and he knew it
for 1 game? sure. Before 2007 it was legal
I find it funny Belichick had to cheat TO BEAT THE JETS!
lol
+killevree1 lol No one has to cheat to beat the jets.
+killevree1 spygate was them filming coaches signals from the sidline, and not from a marked location with a roof over the filmers head
+killevree1 spygate was them filming coaches signals from the sidline, and not from a marked location with a roof over the filmers head
killevree1 And of course we know goodell & the league are always 100% fair & balanced with their disciplinary actions, as the recent court ruling showed.
+killevree1 your jets were filming as well, in case you didn't know.
Belichick is being sincere about one thing: in the grand scheme of compiling information for a game, thee videotapes play a very small role. i just dont see how people don't understand this.
The whole Spygate thing is so overblown, it's absolutely ridiculous. Wow, they watched a team's practice. That's not much different than watching a team's game film. The Patriots' stats have been way better since Spygate. Goes to show how little it mattered.
I did an essay on the morals behind belichick and spygate scandal and got an A on it, most likely due to the fact my teacher was a rams fan lol
Socotty, do you know the rules? Apparently not. It says you can't use the video "during a game." Belichick is right.
As for Walsh's knowledge of football, he played golf in high school. He was a videotaper. he got fired because he was a bad videotaper. You think the interns for the Pats have football knowledge?
Bill knows Walsh was wearing a patriots uniform when he was taping but then Bill says he doesn't even know if he could recognize Walsh? A little inconsistent. Also, It doesn't matter if anyone can read the signals, it matters that the league clearly had a rule that prohibited the taping of the signals. As a third year law student I can tell you that Bill's answer conveniently came straight from the mouth of a lawyer.
ITS NOT CHEATING, they broke a rule got severely punished it was over in september, it never should have been a story. If he had no intention on hiding it than why is it an issue
“We’re not talking about DNA.” 11:02 Bill’s replies are hilarious sometimes lol
Also remember the 16-0 game in New York, never happens and going into SBXLII the Giants have almost no scouting report on the Patriots. The 16-0 game forced the Patriots to reveal their hand... was said in a SBXLII recap video that the 16-0 game gave the Giants the blueprint for SBXLII
its funny how people only bash the patriots, when others have done it.
@gfscarface13 That is a bad example. Baseball considers that "legal" as it's impossible to prevent. It's deeply looked down on, but ultimately considered "okay" since it's impossible to prevent.
People hate it when other people are more successful
Its funny how many people really hate this man-he's just a better coach than anyone else in the league. You could give Dungy the playbook two weeks before a Pats-Colts game and he would still lose. People are jealous of the Pats because they win more than their team, better coached, better QB.
Belichick obviously was trying to distance himself from Matt Walsh by saying that he had very little contact with him. Belichick is meticulous with detail and that involves cheating and interacting with his coaches. Anyone who thinks Belichick had nothing to do with that taping has their head up their rear end.
To all of us criticizing BB, I'm just curious: would we take him as the head coach of your football team? I would in a heart beat and I'm a Cowboys fan. We can say whatever derogatory things we want about BB to make ourselves feel better about our own coachs' inadequacies, but at the end of it all, he's still the best. He's 52-15 since Spygate (with a better winning percentage than before Spygate) and with the way he's stockpiling draft picks, I hate to think about how much more he'll win.
Belichick schools this interviewer; doesn't miss a beat. People accusing him of lying without any clear basis or evidence for it sound delusional.
If Spygate never was violated by Patriots... they probably never go... 16-0, 18-0 and then 18-1... they really went crazy trying to brutalize teams that season following Spygate. Had Spygate not gone down... they probably would've had a 14-2 season with 20% less scoring and won the Super Bowl over the Giants... again not having to deal with SpyGate and the pressures of 19-0.
Anyone who thinks the patriots cheated does not know anything about what actually happened. People just hate the pats because they are so good
If the interviewer would just shut up and listen Bill wouldn't have to repeat himself 10 times and still be questioned about the signals.
Go Pats! Haters can keep on hating as long Pats keep on winning
Ketayan did a terrible job here. He clearly wants to grill Belichick but he keeps asking fluff questions like "Is Matt Walsh out for revenge?". Who gives a fuck, the story here is not Matt Walsh, it's what the Patriots did.
Belichick must've said 10 times "the signals are there for everyone", and all Ketayan had to say was, "Then why is it against the rules to videotape them?". It was so frustrating that this question never even occurred to him.
i wouldnt hire a coach if he didnt do anything like belichick.. i want to win i dont care whats done just win at all costs.
He made a mistake once, ONCE. Not all the fricken games, bill is a good coach, and smart enough to think of trying to learn about there opponent, and he didn't go against the rules anymore than once anyways, he admitted it, which is good
Than losing must feel pretty good, since you already are one...
Wasn't talking to you, but yea your right
+Joseph Stalin to have nothing but asterisks.. It's called Morals lol Hating?? No being real.. I wouldn't root for my team if it happened to them.. #Dumbass
To be fair, Bill said that he could probably not point out Walsh before the press came out and it became their problem. Obviously they looked at the tapes for anything to disprove Walsh and his allegations.
The majority of this situation was a blown out of proportion "press scandal". Regardless of fault, this knowledge is readily available to everyone and there were other teams mentioned in the report for doing it.
when it comes right down to it, its the players that make things happen
Yeah, Eli sucked to the point of beating the Pats in the Superbowl. But I guess if you're a Pats fan, he sucks cuz he ruined the whole perfection deal. That still must hurt.
Tom couglin knows Belichick like brothers do. They both use to coach with Bill Parcell with the Giants back in the days.
The rule: Use at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which a club is a participant, any communications or information gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic device that might aid a team during the playing of the game;
Former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson said, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody.”
Well said. You can tell he's being honest.
@jrock8693 wth u talking about? Manning didnt choke in the superbowl. Brees played unbelievably well. Garcon dropped a pass--changed the tempo--lost the onside kick. Yep, seems like it was all Manning.
Armen Keteyain is hard to trust, just go look at the interview he did with Roddy Piper when Armen edited the interview to make it seem that Roddy was taking shots at WWE when he wasn't. I became A Patriots fan in November 2001 when my dad took me to a game vs Buffalo. I then saw the Pats win 3 out of 4 Super Bowls and now lose the 2 Super Bowls in Heartbreaking fashion. To say the Reason for those 2 losses is Spygate is BS! I am a Pats fan but not your average fan
I agree with Bill. They were filming something that's out in the wide open for anyone to see. Whoopty f'n doo. Spygate is one of the most overblown stories ever.
I love how BB threw a version of "It is what it is" during the interview
"whatever it was, that's what it was"
Fucking sweet
I already know my star constellations'. Northstar and things. The most depressing of all.
Haters need excuses to justify their jealousy and envy in their pathetic hateful lives. It is very sad but as a Champion you don't concern yourself with hateful losers, it is their job to hate so let them do their job. Go Pats!!!
That's funny, because im pretty sure the superbowls that they did win also came down to one play.. cameras don't determine whether or not a kicker makes the kick, or if somebody catches the ball.
That's why cheaters never win. They got caught and I don't think it affected the season since they caught it in the first game. But the integrity of the game was jeopardized, and that in itself was unforgivable.
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The patriots handed CBS a videotape in which it shows Walsh taping many games in the end zone and he's wearing full Patriots gear.
Did you not understand what he was saying? It seems like you have no understanding of the context. He was saying he couldnt recognize Walsh on the street, or in a police line-up. I don't think Walsh wears a patriots uniform everywhere he goes. This is all just a technicality that had no reall impact on the games, admit it. Yes he broke a minor rule, yes he was punished its done with. To say that contributed in to the 3 superbowls is laughable. He'll just put 5 more in the press box to study.
@gfscarface13 We have the best overall record league since the spygate. Losing in the playoffs is a different story, but we have the best win percentage out of any team since then.
Belichick isn't sorry he did it, he's sorry he got caught
suspend him for a year already
Im not a pats fan and I think this whole thing is overplayed..........jimmy johnson admitted he stole signals as well(photos).....all coaches do it
"It's not DNA......" That is a classic. Armen is a tool in this interview. He is a great coach.
I can't wait for the new special wonder which network will get it this time.
Debt cards are not
It's not a big deal but it definitely does give you an edge and he's acting squirrelly about it
I think he was scapegoated for something that probably more than a few teams do. In any case, he was caught, punished, and still went to the Super Bowl twice. True he didn't win either but he came darn close, and the Patriots are still very much a force to be reckoned with during the regular season.
If anyone is still talking about the spygate scandal at this point, then that person must be pretty bored and stupid. Not ony were the patriots not the only team to use this technique (because every coach should try to do whatever it takes to gain a competitive edge at the NFL level), but didn't we prove that using this technique had little to no effect on the Patriots' winning ways? In 2007 they went 16-0 in the regular season! In 2010 they are currently 13-2 and #1 in the league! Get over it!
as far as you boasting that you are in law school,as a Attorney or not which i happen to be it is obvious that bill was answering the questions truthfully he wasnt hiding anything, this was after he was already punished by the league he had nothing to hide.filming signals was deemed illegal in 06, he was guilty of it, he took it on the chin, while all of the other coaches packed their cameras up and let out a sigh of relief he was a man he didnt point fingers.good luck on your bar exam kid
First of all, thanks for making this post personal. Regardless, as an attorney I am sure you understand that there are reasonable interpretations of rules and then there are the interpretations that lawyers come up with in a last ditch effort to save face for a client. In these situations attorneys sometimes rely on counterintuitive yet logical interpretations that stretch the boundaries of a rule to the point where conventional wisdom would suggest absurdity. Just my opinion. Nothing personal
only made illegal in the 2007 season
that is totally incorrect. You cant videotape from the stated POSITIONS. Learn your facts before making these types of comments.
The Cowboys haven't been doing so well since spygate either. How many times have they been in the playoffs '08 - '12? Quite fishy
When I think of the Patriots, I will always think of THAT record ...
18 - 1.
George Vreeland Hill
no they didn't
I think this really was an honest mistake on their part. It'd be a lie to say that most of the teams in the NFL don't try to figure out what the signals are, either on the sideline or on the field, especially in the case of Peyton Manning. With that being said, I think with the way how this scandal is hanging over the Patriots heads, it's created more pressure for them to perform in the playoffs. That stigma, may even help explain why they've uncharacteristically lost games they should have won.
He claims he did not cheat. He just made a mistake. He did not cheat. He just made a mistake. Wasn't the mistake he made cheating? He was open about videotaping other teams during games. He wasn't allowed to videotape.
Fishing for him a+
right...
Pats are such a shady organization
he thought he really had some questions that would trip up old Bill..the funny thing is everyone did the same thing....anyone who thinks the pats were the only team to ever think of filming signals instead of writing them down should give their head a shake, if anything came out of this it should be that Bill is a solid dude he knew everyone else did it, he took the bullshit like a man and moved on. nobody can take away his success thats why this is forgotten.
What the hell does Specter know about football? what right does he have to step in on this situation? It has already been handled, and everybody shuold get over it. In pro football, A team could know exactly what the opposition is going to run, and it does NOT make a lick of a difference if the players can not perform.Isn't what walsh got fired for illegal to? It is illegal to record any private conversation without the other person knowing.this guy is just trying to get his 15 minutes of fame.
But you didnt...
Filming signals doesn't do much good.
Ever notice how there are two or three coaches flashing signals from the sideline?
Only one coach is the "hot read". The other two are fakes. Trying to figure out which coach is "hot" is more trouble than it's worth because the hot coach alternates from play to play.
It's much easier to guess the play from the body language of individual players.
If it's a pass play a guard might rock back on his heels but shift his weight slightly forward if it's a run. Brady is a wizard on reading the body language of linebackers and cornerbacks.
There has been many other teams tht used same tactics.
im not a colts fan but even if peyton wasnt pulled out of the jets game they wouldve lost in the next week against the bills since that was snowing HARD
It's the Super Bowl. The two best teams in the league are facing each other so for the game to come down to 1 play is not that unusual.
So other coaches have done this?
Have other coaches video taped signals? We're not sure. They may have prior to the 2006 memo, but unless they come out and admit it now then we won't know for sure. What we DO know for sure is that other coaches and teams have stolen signals via binoculars, notepads, audio recording devices, lipreaders, etc, and they still continue to do that to this day. Stealing signals is not against the rules, VIDEO TAPING the opponents signals is against the rules.
How about instead of Goddell having "integrity" checks on insignificant shit like this every team did, he finds out why some officiating crews have racked up discrepancies in up to 800 yards in judgement only calls over the course of a season. It's amazing how just breathing on a guy will get you a pass interference call now with some of these officials. Remember when a receiver getting laid out was cause his qb left him exposed?
One drink is an hour;
@gfscarface13 Except for the fact that it is done by every team and the league and the fact that it honestly wasn't really in the rules. EVERY team does it. EVERY team's legacy is tainted then.
7:26 to 8:10 is all one needs to watch.
I agree. But even if you have the other teams signals, and they all do. You still have to make the play. Randy still has to leap over defenders and fight to catch the pass in double coverage. You still have to physically out play. In that way signals are useless. If they are good simply because they cheat, why are they winning since the signal taping stopped??? They are still good and there's nothing anyone can do about it and that's why other fans & even the NFL has a problem with it...
6 people are Jets fans...