We literally do By the laws of the sword logic As we were the ones who killed oryx we were supposed to take up the mantle and power of the taken king Hit why nearly no hive have attempted to do so
Does anyone remember Nokris, Oryx's other son and brother to Crota? What if the next episode involves him and Xivu. If you guys remember, is arts was considered heresy and was frowned upon by the hive. Due to this he was exiled. Also, if you guys remember his "death" animation was unusual for a boss. Since he practiced necromancy I believe he has to return in some way in the next episode.
I've literally just posted saying it's either the Xivu, Savathun & Oryx's babysitter/teacher or Nokris. They both have good reason to be an echo! Continue Sword Logic teachings after being banished OR Necromancy being a direct HERESY within the Sword Logic!
@@monarch3938 Nokris wasn’t in ghosts of the deep, those bosses were different hive, the first boss for example was simply the ‘right hand man’ to Oryx, you see him in one of the cutscenes in the taken king talking to Oryx, he was also the final boss to the exotic sword quest in the dlc
Is anyone else getting the feeling that you just want to say: *I’M BACK* (insert word) or *HERE’S JOHNNY* to the Hive upon arriving at the Dreadnaught? It can’t be just me, right?
I hope Toland the shattered is the main antagonist in heresy, perhaps he finds the echo and uses it to take control of the hive and taken, and then fights against us. After all he doesn’t really like us for a few reasons, the first was that we didn’t take the mantle of the taken king after defeating him, we also are against the sword logic, he’s also very upset with Eris for squandering her power in season of the witch to weaken Zivu. Perhaps he’ll try to take up the mantle of the taken king. Either that or they just bring back Oryx
If the dreadnought is what takes us to new frontiers, I would really hope that it would be in the shape of a really good cutscene or a Live Event. My thought is that the Dreadnought is going to be like a hub/command center for the new frontiers' locations.
@JoshuaCook-i1n That would be a statue of Nokris you can learn about him in warmind dlc and season of arrivals videos he's a very unique hive who uses necromancy and disowned by oryx because of it
Thing is there are still other villains in destiny yet to be revealed, we still haven't encountered the Members of the Nine who were aiding the Witness, Now regarding the hint of an Eldritch being, what comes to mind is the original owner of the taken the worm God that oryx had slain. We know that power doesn't just disappear it's normally converted into something else. And told him to the shattered has said numerous times that we had the opportunity to take that power for ourselves but instead cast it away. My prediction is that worm is returning using the Echo, or Xivu will use the echo to claim the worm and become the next Taken Queen.
I know they've said it's a NEW eldritch force teased in Heresy. But, it would be an interesting story hook if it's Oryx in the Final Echo. As for the location itself, I would love if it's a smilar patrol zone space as the Corrupted Leviathan from Season of the Haunted
I can see Eris morn being our pilot of the dreadnought ship as we are taking up the mantle of ship navigator and it's also possible that Eris morn will be our ship pilot
What if the echo is Amanda Holiday trying to make a new ship for us she did say back on titan she wanted to havest the hive crystal to make a ship to go out in to deep space
I believe the voice for the Echo in Heresy, will be Taox. The Krill who betrayed the Osimium king. The one who Oryx, Savathun and Xivu Arath were hunting down for centuries.
Wish my brain actually functioned properly these days 😑 CBA to grab my lore books out 😄 What was the Hive Wizard that was essentially babysitter/teacher for the 3 Big Bad Hive? Xivu, Oryx & Savathun, she was banished or something? Her teachings were very much tied with what Xivu still wants? Would make a whole bunch of sense that her echo would encourage the Hive big bad for Heresy! OR it's Nokris. Heresy? He was a Necromancer which directly goes against Sword Logic.
I would be very surprised if we have a mini dreadnought of our own, like we have the Fallen Skiffs, and the Pyramid Ships; maybe as a season pass reward.
As much as I’ve hyped up each Ep. I have an odd feeling this will be another let down. First act will be completed in an hour then back to the waiting game till the act is over. The dreadnought is going to be revisited through activities like battlegrounds, tomb of elders style modes, one normal/ expert story mission and cutscenes. We won’t be given the opportunity to actually patrol the area. And as I read in a previous comment a weird feeling that the eldritch force will be transmog hive that we’re dormant somewhere in the ship. Of course I would love to be wrong in all of this and see them find the perfect formula for these ep stories while also giving us new areas to explore.
I'm surprised we still haven't had an eververse ship designed after the dreadnaught. We have a fallen dropship-ship, cabal ship and a pyramid ship but no dreadnaught ship. Oh we don't have a fallen skiff ship yet either..
With the helm being destroyed going back to the dreadnought in similar situation to the leviathan where its exploreble to certian degree but with new secrets and areas to discover as that would be the best thing bungie can do then it be where we realise that we must take the dreadnought for ourselves with the help of savathun and eris teaching us how to control the dreadnought and with xivu using the echo or someone who is loyal to her helps her regain access to her throne world because i don't believe the eris truly knew everything about hive magic which will come back to bite her as xivu get her throne world back but we gain access to it as well so that xivu know we can close in on her at any time and end her especially considering bungie said it will shake up the entire hive pantheon
Roland was so short sighted thinking that we would be on top if we’d taken Oryx’s throne. The Witness would have twisted us into completely conquering Traveler.
Based on how everything just gets re-skinned or re-hashed, don’t be disappointed if the story is Xivu Arath (who we still don’t see in the flesh) resurrecting Oryx, hence the “Heresy”.
personally, I think we should clean out the leviathan and give it to Caitl then take the Dreadnaught for our own use and take them both out of the system
The dreadnaught was not made by his worm, it is his thrown world, he basically flipped his thrown world inside out, turning the large hive ship into his thrown world.
@@miscompile oh really? I didn’t know the thing about akka’s corpse being the ship, thx for correcting be btw, I don’t want to say something that’s false
@@NeonKnight_Neo no problem man, also fun fact; when oryx created the dreadnought, the hive invented a new "holiday" based on turning things inside out (they brutalise eachother since they believe in sword logic and celebrate it lol, byf mentioned it in a lore vid iirc).
I’m calling it right now, like how with Season of the Deep we just visited titan same shit with oryx’s ship. We’re just going to have 2 arena game modes, and a expert mission and some new onslaught potentially
im gonna base this off of how bungie normal does things and say that no we will not get to fly it and they will ad some lore reason why its not possible.
I’m so over fighting the same enemies over and over. They need to make a new race of aliens or something. They made the “scorn” but it’s literally the same thing as the fallen just different outfits. I want something totally new and different. Give me some more variety
Not bringing back most of the dreadnought would be a slap to new players, old players and to Bungie themselves. The Taken King is iconic and what made destiny the IP it is. Thai is what literally drove them to make Destiny 2. Don’t fumble the ball Bungie for all of our sakes.
Heretic better be the best episode or I am going to leave this game once and for all. I’m only playing this game because I bought the deluxe version and I don’t like wasting my money so I’m going to play it.
The episode echo story was pathetic maya is literally a wife beater yeah it’s cannon like how did we go from the biggest fight to maya being a wife beater like are you serious that’s no story it’s just there to waste our time
This game is so bad it’s makin mad asf like 10 years of grinding and actually knowin the lore behind everything just for the game to be “EHH” we need frontiers to actually change the game and I mean real change not new weapons I mean new ways to tell the story i need hella ways to get loot in fun ways not rinse and repeat and sometimes rinse and repeat can be fun but not like it is now. They said they are “innovating” well we’ll see soon
Just look at warframe and all the quests and side quests and how they tell their story and the way they do is none other that shii is confusing as hell but its fun at the same time when u actually starting up on it I can leave and come back years later to continue where I left off and the game is gonna look better and have 8 more side quests from when I left. Warframe is fye is all I’m sayin 😅
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The moment I take control of the dreadnought
“CATCH A RIIIIIIIDE!”
Momma always said "Wheels are better than heels!".
Though that was due to her not having any legs.
'A new eldritch force'
*fighting the same damn enemies we've fought for the past decade but with transmog*
BRO THATS WHAT IM SAYING.
Like how does Fikrul get the power to reanimate the dead and we’re given scorn with red eyes. MUTATE THEM OR SOMETHING.
Return. Reuse. Reskin. Suffering said.
They better not fk with us like last time *cough cough season of the deep*
Oh yeah when they said the planet Titan is back lol
That season was just a waste smfh. It could have been sooooo much better than what we got
It's gonna be the same when they brought Titan back and the Leviathan back, only for the season, lol
@@bradwhite5884 actually I'll admit i wasn't playing when leviathan 1st came out but I didn't mind it when the mini version came out
@@Swaggmire215 it was pretty mid i agree but i didn't hate it
If we owned the dreadnought we putting a tower in it
We literally do
By the laws of the sword logic
As we were the ones who killed oryx we were supposed to take up the mantle and power of the taken king
Hit why nearly no hive have attempted to do so
Does anyone remember Nokris, Oryx's other son and brother to Crota? What if the next episode involves him and Xivu. If you guys remember, is arts was considered heresy and was frowned upon by the hive. Due to this he was exiled. Also, if you guys remember his "death" animation was unusual for a boss. Since he practiced necromancy I believe he has to return in some way in the next episode.
That is a good theory. I like it 👍
Yeah......the boss for the dungeon Ghosts of the Deep is A resurrected Nokris as a Lucent Guardian which we killed.
I've literally just posted saying it's either the Xivu, Savathun & Oryx's babysitter/teacher or Nokris.
They both have good reason to be an echo! Continue Sword Logic teachings after being banished OR Necromancy being a direct HERESY within the Sword Logic!
Er. No, its not.@@monarch3938
@@monarch3938 Nokris wasn’t in ghosts of the deep, those bosses were different hive, the first boss for example was simply the ‘right hand man’ to Oryx, you see him in one of the cutscenes in the taken king talking to Oryx, he was also the final boss to the exotic sword quest in the dlc
It would be crazy if Taox was an echo. It would mean she did die but the Witness kept it secret from the Hive.
I mean sounds like something the witness would do hard to say
Is anyone else getting the feeling that you just want to say: *I’M BACK* (insert word) or *HERE’S JOHNNY* to the Hive upon arriving at the Dreadnaught?
It can’t be just me, right?
I was definitely thinking of doing “I’m back”
More like "SUP B****ES!"
“He has risen, baby girl!”
I hope Toland the shattered is the main antagonist in heresy, perhaps he finds the echo and uses it to take control of the hive and taken, and then fights against us. After all he doesn’t really like us for a few reasons, the first was that we didn’t take the mantle of the taken king after defeating him, we also are against the sword logic, he’s also very upset with Eris for squandering her power in season of the witch to weaken Zivu. Perhaps he’ll try to take up the mantle of the taken king. Either that or they just bring back Oryx
Wait did Pete Parsons just put owning a classic vehicle into the game?
No but he's searching for a position for an original comment
@@DioStandProud well when you find one pete, do let us know.
And we are going to get to show it to them before firing them
@@DioStandProudFr it's all I see 😭
@@DioStandProud aww you standing up for your sugar daddy? That's adorable
Love the voice effect there, nice work!
Helps more with the reading tbh.
If the dreadnought is what takes us to new frontiers, I would really hope that it would be in the shape of a really good cutscene or a Live Event. My thought is that the Dreadnought is going to be like a hub/command center for the new frontiers' locations.
We're not going back to the dreadnought. We're going back to a couple of small areas that look like it. 😢
Imagine oryx had a secret brother who was sleeping in the dreadnaught, and we enter the ship, and there's just a huge twin of him snoring
Isnt there a scannable relic on the dreadnaught in D1 that stated he had another son besides Crota? Perhaps him, or another relative.
@JoshuaCook-i1n That would be a statue of Nokris you can learn about him in warmind dlc and season of arrivals videos he's a very unique hive who uses necromancy and disowned by oryx because of it
That sounds really lame
@@JoshuaCook-i1n That was a secret second son Nokris. He was the focus of the Warmind DLC that's been removed from Destiny 2
@@Freelancer837 New players would know this if more than half the game and it's story got removed...
Thing is there are still other villains in destiny yet to be revealed, we still haven't encountered the Members of the Nine who were aiding the Witness,
Now regarding the hint of an Eldritch being, what comes to mind is the original owner of the taken the worm God that oryx had slain. We know that power doesn't just disappear it's normally converted into something else. And told him to the shattered has said numerous times that we had the opportunity to take that power for ourselves but instead cast it away.
My prediction is that worm is returning using the Echo, or Xivu will use the echo to claim the worm and become the next Taken Queen.
Sorry Toland the Shattered, damn autocorrect
It's either Toland or Taox behind the next echo.
I know they've said it's a NEW eldritch force teased in Heresy. But, it would be an interesting story hook if it's Oryx in the Final Echo. As for the location itself, I would love if it's a smilar patrol zone space as the Corrupted Leviathan from Season of the Haunted
I can see Eris morn being our pilot of the dreadnought ship as we are taking up the mantle of ship navigator and it's also possible that Eris morn will be our ship pilot
What if the echo is Amanda Holiday trying to make a new ship for us she did say back on titan she wanted to havest the hive crystal to make a ship to go out in to deep space
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I believe the voice for the Echo in Heresy, will be Taox.
The Krill who betrayed the Osimium king.
The one who Oryx, Savathun and Xivu Arath were hunting down for centuries.
It’s gonna be oryx in the echo.
The Echoes are people who were fused with the Witness, Oryx wasn't
@@jockeellythat’s not been confirmed, all we know is that it’s a people/person conquered by the witness.
Nightmare of Oryx the Taken King when?
@@tdzbacon3640 you're wrong bro, we know for fact that the Echoes are made out of some of the beings that were merged with the Witness.
L take
Imagine the fortune you'd save on glimmer not restoring the helm and just refurbishing the dreadnaught 🤑🤑🤑
we can fit the tower in the dreadnought if we wanted
I kinda want the voice in the third echo to be one the races the hive wiped out. Specifically, the avian Queen, sherbet she was
Here's my wish for the Dreadnought return, I hope we get to explore it like way we explored the leviathan on season of the haunted
Wish my brain actually functioned properly these days 😑 CBA to grab my lore books out 😄
What was the Hive Wizard that was essentially babysitter/teacher for the 3 Big Bad Hive? Xivu, Oryx & Savathun, she was banished or something? Her teachings were very much tied with what Xivu still wants? Would make a whole bunch of sense that her echo would encourage the Hive big bad for Heresy!
OR it's Nokris. Heresy? He was a Necromancer which directly goes against Sword Logic.
I hope Taox makes an appearance somehow. Curious to see what a confrontation between her and Xivu would be like
Knowing Bungie, no. But maybe a cutscene for Apollo. I will now enjoy your video ❤
My theory the voice in the hive echo is the sibling father or that hive person that costently escapes the siblings wrath.
We could have had the Dreadnought protecting Earth this entire time. The Red War would have been a joke.
I would be very surprised if we have a mini dreadnought of our own, like we have the Fallen Skiffs, and the Pyramid Ships; maybe as a season pass reward.
As much as I’ve hyped up each Ep. I have an odd feeling this will be another let down. First act will be completed in an hour then back to the waiting game till the act is over.
The dreadnought is going to be revisited through activities like battlegrounds, tomb of elders style modes, one normal/ expert story mission and cutscenes. We won’t be given the opportunity to actually patrol the area.
And as I read in a previous comment a weird feeling that the eldritch force will be transmog hive that we’re dormant somewhere in the ship.
Of course I would love to be wrong in all of this and see them find the perfect formula for these ep stories while also giving us new areas to explore.
Hope they bring back the hive necromancer. Would like to see more story for that fella.
I feel like the echo is going to be the three sisters' father the "Orsinium King"
It could be like the leviathan during season of the haunted
We should take over the Dreadnaught, assume the mantle, and learn the final darkness subclasss to fight the Winnower in the next universe.
That be fun if they made it a full on explorable area with patrols like D1
I remember the dreadnought being crashed in Forsaken
I hope we see more of the skyburners
I'm surprised we still haven't had an eververse ship designed after the dreadnaught. We have a fallen dropship-ship, cabal ship and a pyramid ship but no dreadnaught ship. Oh we don't have a fallen skiff ship yet either..
We have several Hive ships tho.....
Looks Amazing 😮
With the helm being destroyed going back to the dreadnought in similar situation to the leviathan where its exploreble to certian degree but with new secrets and areas to discover as that would be the best thing bungie can do then it be where we realise that we must take the dreadnought for ourselves with the help of savathun and eris teaching us how to control the dreadnought and with xivu using the echo or someone who is loyal to her helps her regain access to her throne world because i don't believe the eris truly knew everything about hive magic which will come back to bite her as xivu get her throne world back but we gain access to it as well so that xivu know we can close in on her at any time and end her especially considering bungie said it will shake up the entire hive pantheon
Roland was so short sighted thinking that we would be on top if we’d taken Oryx’s throne. The Witness would have twisted us into completely conquering Traveler.
Imagine coming to an interstellar human settlement in the dreadnaught ? Aka Akka un-living corpse.
What if the echo is maybe there father. The original krill king before he died.
Based on how everything just gets re-skinned or re-hashed, don’t be disappointed if the story is Xivu Arath (who we still don’t see in the flesh) resurrecting Oryx, hence the “Heresy”.
wait ... what if the voice in the echo in Heresy, is Taox?
if that happens shit about to be crazy
Toland will convince Xivu Arath….. I hope.
i love your voice man
I Think the echo will revive a worm god and the echo is a worm god that oryx killed.
If we could drive it that would be soooo cooolll!!!!!!
What if the eco is orix him self what if orix is usimg xivu to reserrect him towars his final shape the ? Is did we really kill orix
Even if they pull something like this off in-game, it's either gonna be a cutscene, or a hold (insert input) fest
Well done evase
Taox is the echo in heresy
personally, I think we should clean out the leviathan and give it to Caitl then take the Dreadnaught for our own use and take them both out of the system
Lets be real, the new eldritch force is probably just a very pissed off reincarnation of Toland.
What if the echo is Oryx trying to take back his throne
Is Dreadnaught salvage or spoils?
Isn’t the dreadnaught made from a worm Oryx killed? Could be the echo is linked to that?
The dreadnaught was not made by his worm, it is his thrown world, he basically flipped his thrown world inside out, turning the large hive ship into his thrown world.
@@NeonKnight_Neo the ship is made from akka's corpse actually, but also the interior is his throne world he turnt "inside out" with hive magic.
@@miscompile oh really? I didn’t know the thing about akka’s corpse being the ship, thx for correcting be btw, I don’t want to say something that’s false
@@NeonKnight_Neo no problem man, also fun fact; when oryx created the dreadnought, the hive invented a new "holiday" based on turning things inside out (they brutalise eachother since they believe in sword logic and celebrate it lol, byf mentioned it in a lore vid iirc).
4:00 wasnt savuthun possesing him at that time?
I think it was Osiris like probably moments before disaster where it was the last message he sent before savathun saved him from xivu
@arkhamsgaming4750 ohhh ok
Yep
@@d2gamer-ez2xm the other guy is saying otherwise tho
Bungie would never do something like this, it would be too much fun and the cgi and animators would actually have to work
If it is no traveling besides animation for hyperjump there is no need in any transport besides cosmetics
I HOPE we fly it to new systems and start over elsewhere without our light and darkness powers!
Watch it be oryx echo
what if the third echo is a human one?
Hopefully Toland gets the Echo then he can kill us and become taken king. That would be awesome
Is the ancient entity Akka?
Load zone better have a vault and a postmaster that’s all I’m sayin.. lol
1:28 no xivu’s fall raid :(
ima laugh if toland is the echo
If we own it then they should not sunset it.
Oh wait....
a destination that was already in the game is returning - the game
I’m calling it right now, like how with Season of the Deep we just visited titan same shit with oryx’s ship. We’re just going to have 2 arena game modes, and a expert mission and some new onslaught potentially
$20 bucks its Toland inside the Echo
Bungie! If you watched the video, please bring back the entire patrol zone! Plllllleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee!👏
It really is my birthday..
im gonna base this off of how bungie normal does things and say that no we will not get to fly it and they will ad some lore reason why its not possible.
The answer is no.
They’d have to actually do major new shit to do that and they just laid off a bunch of folks.
I’m so over fighting the same enemies over and over. They need to make a new race of aliens or something. They made the “scorn” but it’s literally the same thing as the fallen just different outfits. I want something totally new and different. Give me some more variety
I want to see this
Not bringing back most of the dreadnought would be a slap to new players, old players and to Bungie themselves. The Taken King is iconic and what made destiny the IP it is. Thai is what literally drove them to make Destiny 2.
Don’t fumble the ball Bungie for all of our sakes.
If it's not it's own locaion i won't b playing
Last time i was this early i was born
Heretic better be the best episode or I am going to leave this game once and for all. I’m only playing this game because I bought the deluxe version and I don’t like wasting my money so I’m going to play it.
Sorry folks no new enemies xivu has her own brood and she wants orxys ability to take. Same story over and over lmao
The episode echo story was pathetic maya is literally a wife beater yeah it’s cannon like how did we go from the biggest fight to maya being a wife beater like are you serious that’s no story it’s just there to waste our time
Heresy is goiong to be a massive disapointmen calling it now.
episodes r the reason Ive quit
This game is so bad it’s makin mad asf like 10 years of grinding and actually knowin the lore behind everything just for the game to be “EHH” we need frontiers to actually change the game and I mean real change not new weapons I mean new ways to tell the story i need hella ways to get loot in fun ways not rinse and repeat and sometimes rinse and repeat can be fun but not like it is now. They said they are “innovating” well we’ll see soon
Just look at warframe and all the quests and side quests and how they tell their story and the way they do is none other that shii is confusing as hell but its fun at the same time when u actually starting up on it I can leave and come back years later to continue where I left off and the game is gonna look better and have 8 more side quests from when I left. Warframe is fye is all I’m sayin 😅
Dookiebootyfartwater 😂
We won't fly anything in destiny cuz bungie suck
Gonna take you for a ride
🥲 I hope so
Probably not tho