2015 BMW M4 - Everything You Need to Know - AFTER/DRIVE
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- Опубликовано: 30 окт 2014
- The new M4 ditches the "3" in BMW's most iconic car, adds boost, and goes to electric steering. It's a lot for the M3 fan to take in, so Mike Spinelli sat down with BMW's V.P. of Engineering, Albert Biermann, to talk about how they approached the car, why it's so good, and why it's all about steering.
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M4 owner here, since June. I had an E92 M3 before and loved it, but it was getting older and needed work. I wasn't sure at first, but the M4 is an incredible car. Compared to the E92, it feels absolutely glued to the road, while putting down impressive power constantly (also with minimal wheelspin, even in low gears). Albert Biermann and the M team are geniuses.
Tom B I'm interested in the 4.6l stroker version of this car by dinan. You get the low down torque plus better fuel economy and the power. But the m4 is a different beast. Its the best
M4 is monster
How was the reliability
Owned mine for 4 years and will never be selling it.
@@whatm4339 👏👏🔥🔥💯💯
Watching this video gave me a understanding of how much hard work,integrity and passion went into making the M4. Proud to own one, I need this engineer to spec out my next one 😁
How can you dislike this video?
Thanks DRIVE, really appreciated!
+mgfmgtf
Just jealous ppl who cant afford one :o)
Why all the dislikes? This is a whole episode of AFTER/DRIVE
Very nice interview, these kinds of interviews with the heads of engineering on these special cars we all like, it is just great to hear their thoughts and takes regarding the evolvement of these models. And Spinelli, as always applause for you.
Picked up my first F80 in 2015 and my second F80 in April 2019
Still puts a smile on my face EVERYTIME I drive it
Any issues with them reliability-wise? Thinking of getting an F80. I love the Giulia QF, but owning an Alfa is a bit sketchy lol (former Lancia owner).
@@stefanpetrov8 the F8X is extremely reliable
Very interesting to know, much more informative than just seeing it sliding on the track.
Although I want a 4 cylinder turbo, sub 3000lb M3; I have to respect Albert Biermann and BMW in general for letting the Engineers have more free range instead of giving all the power to the accountants. I love how enthusiastic Albert is his orchestra analogy. BMW and Porsche are amazing.
All the reasons why i love BMW and love M cars!
E46 M3 greatest of all time!
This interview was deliciously geeky. I love it.
Love the way he says "tourbo" haha
Excellent interview. Thank you M! 😍
good interview! I could listen to the Albert Biermann allday24 everyday365 and still not want to sleep
Good job on the video guys! Keep it up
One of your best videos, Spinelli
Great details and knowledge. Thanks!
I was waiting for this :)
You guys should make more detailed video's about bmw .
Keep it up
Great interview!
nice video and very instructive!
Have had my AY M4 6 speed for 3.5 years now. I can only imagine Albert throwing up in his mouth at the new G8x models. Way bigger , way heavier, way uglier, cost saving everywhere including crap steel bracing underhood, fake vents glued to the front fenders, carbon ceramics with single piston slide calipers in the rear 💀
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Have been considering sale just because of the current market inflation and dealers offering me pretty much why I paid for the car back then… just can’t find anything to replace it with. Had to rewatch this video again and it made me appreciate the f8x greatness. True peak of //M 🙌🏼
Great! I'm waiting to next video, i can not myself wait!
"The balls in there are the best quality balls you can get", and right there pretty much sums up the new M3 and M4 which have 3 and 4 balls respectively...#BimmerBalls
Very impressed with this guy, who clearly loves BMWs, cars and what he does.
THIS MAN IS SO GERMAN! I LOVE IT!
Rear wheel drive 2 door coupe, Twin Turbo, an inline 6 cylinder engine that was designed for turbocharging from the start, 3500 lbs, 52/48 f/r weight distribution, 4 piston front/ 2 piston rear brakes that can do 70-0 mph in 151 ft, aluminum suspension and body components, 6 speed manual gearbox.....its seems that BMW just rebuilt the MK4 Toyota Supra Turbo!!!!!!!!
just better looking and rustproof
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E46 M3 is my dream car. Not to buy and just drive, but dream car as in Modification, body tuning, engine tuning, then drive from South African N1 to German Autobahn with that sexy throttle.
Everything i need to know is the price and how i can get it for the half price
The M4 is actually very well priced for what you get, in the UK anyway.
Just buy it 6 years later. Just got one ☝️
Great video Drive/ ! I thought I understood the highlights of this awesome car, but after hearing the german geezer speak about his product clearly I don't know nothing about this machine. Time for some googling! Cheers
This was definitely very informative. Good questions and answers. Bordering on being too technical for the ave joe. Having a mechanical engineering background would really help. One poster here does he claims. Probably has the best understanding of what was said. :)
E46 still king of the M3's
I think BMW has done great with all their series over the years. Especially the ///M5!
Anyone know about the timing bolt coming undone and screwing engine up. Looking at one of these to buy?
18:14 Dat E46
As a mechanical engineering student who participated in Formula SAE, I would really like to talk to that guy...
Good video. The right side reminds me of a shampoo commercial :)
18:50 love this passion
that is really perfect
Please find a tommy Kaira ZZII and talk about it it's my favorite!
Anyone rewatching this in 2023?
damn this video is so smooth, is it 60fps? :D
dont want to be a nob but, when he mentions the e46 M3 CSL you show the M3 GTR. fyiCSL had the front bumper with intake only on one side, different interior, less sound proofing, higher revving (also duck tale boot lid!) nom
Yeah, I hate when shows do that. There was this one time on Nation Geographic, they were talking about the Murcielago and was showing a Gallardo :))
nice
The e92 will always be my favorite M car
***** I know the correct spelling, my username is just an inside joke for me and my friends :)
why this guy is not at BMW anymore?
I had a signal light delete kit installed to save some weight
Dear Drive+! I live in Sweden and enjoy your excellent channel here, so thank you! But it is really IRRITATING that when I travel occasionally to our neighbour country Norway, I am not able to see any clips anymore! It says that I need to end my subscription in Sweden and start a new one here! I understand that this may be some system to prevent sharing accounts or protecting you property, but can't you fix this in any other way? And I know it could be fixed, because other programs do that! Otherwise keep up the good work! :)
AB is legend
How do M-sport manage to 'hide' the turbo's effects? from what the Engineering VP said, it seems like they successfully made it as responsive (if not better) than the previous V8 engine.
They've gotten really, really precise about the exhaust gas flow through the turbos. Along with variable cam timing and direct injection, and other tech, they've been able to "tune out" most negative effects of the turbos spooling up. The S55 engine's also got a shorter stroke than the 335i's N55 engine so, because piston speeds are lower relative to engine speeds, there's more flexibility (power at high revs).
/DRIVE So basically, really hard German engineering. Thanks.
/DRIVE But why bother? What's wrong about superchargers?
João Soares Superchargers are considered relatively inefficient compared to turbos in that in order to make power from a supercharger some "naturally aspirated" power is taken up to drive the supercharger. Turbos, on the other hand, use exhaust gases to pressurize air and therefore don't suck power from the engine. This helps with gas mileage, overall efficiency, etc.
Bmw m series=sex 😍
S65 V8 is a gem!
The Volkswagen Auto Group would like to know what this 'steering feel' and 'response' is that he is talking about??
I wonder if it hurts Spinelli's ego, that his content is still free, while Musto and Farrah's is pay to view? ^^
This BMW guy just sold me on the M4! Porn in the background 18:14 - 21:00
Consumption fuel?
I own an e60 m5 and was thinking about trading in for an m4, what do you guys think?
No keep the v10! If I were you. I would save some money and buy an e46 m3. You can find good ones with 70-80k miles on them for about $15,000-$18,000! It's one hell of a car especially around corners!
Good conversation, makes you excited for the M3/M4, however since the car is $70K+ by the time you put two options in it, minus the ceramic brakes, it's way out of my price range. 5 Years from now when it's $40,000 car, we will see.
Yup. Just bought one for 40,000 👍🏻
Simple you have not lived until you have owned/driven a M Car...
Apparently.... that shit has balance, B-A-L-A-N-C-E!
best cars in the world
Why can't we have Matt Farah review the M3/4?!
need a Mercedes equivalent to this video PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
BMW is a very good drivers car really a very fantastic German machine
bimmers are genius
Do BMWs last a long time?
+Simon Walker
Shut up WV owner.Jealous you cant afford one ?
+efrain valladares you can still see old E30 M3's on the roads even today. So you got the answer :)
/DRIVE must be not talkshow.
why i feel like he doesnt believe the things he s saying about new M3 and M4.. yeah it looks bold it goes pretty fast.. but the sound of new M is so bad and in a confliction part almost all M drivers are not the fan of the new M3 and M4.. it wasnt like a step from E46 M3 to E92 M3..
Was that road america track
yes
The title is false, it didn't tell me how to get one
He is the german James May
Except James May is actually interesting and funny.
The balls in there are the best quality ball you can get
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RIP BMW M. I'm following Albert to Kia/Hyundai.
I wish I could build an E30 M3 replica but with a VQ35DE engine (nissan 350z's) placed as far back as possible, out of a pre-facelift E30 316 or 318. Sadly I don't have the talent or the money :(
the weight savings is the draw of this car.
I've driven the new M4, all I can say is the new m235i is a better car by a long shot.
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he spends about 7 minutes goin thru 4 great generations, not much word is needed actually, we confirmed their greatness
Funny how he spends the rest of 14 minutes trying to argue/back up why new/complicated system should be better than before
We get it, its faster. But we also get it, its just another turbo car, no soul of an M.
Its okay. Stop trying so hard to explain, and just tell me why you put individual throttle body + NA motor in the 4 previous generations and how it affected the throttle response, and also explain why along with Ferrari and Nissan GTR, the previous M3s were the only production cars with individual throttle bodies.
Complication doesnt make a car better. More isn't always better you know..
Sometimes you just need a high rev NA motor, simple hydraulic+direct steering, rwd, 50:50 balance and a 6MT...that made the M3 special, different from all the other cars.
I'm so happy someone else noticed this! He just kept repeating himself!!
Valvetronic is better than ITB's believe it or not, variable valve lift is awesome.
The only problem is that our ancestors and us are fucking the planet and we only got 30 years of stock of petrol. We can't continue with high revving high drinking engines ( even if it's hard to say for me an //M fan and engine melodies ) if we still want to see cars on the road and that's what most of the people doesn't understand try to change your mind folks
kjae860516 pulsar gtir,corolla 4age 20 valve,both had individual throttles
the worse thing on m3/m4 is the steering feel
In other words, BMW built too much car for the average BMW driver. They just took it slightly too far and made it a little bit too true to the M mission and built a car that scares the shit out of their customer base, xD.
2.30 most successful touring car of all time, really ?
that belongs to the mighty r32 GTR Godzilla.
The E30 M3 won like everything a touring car could win all around the globe. It even won hillclimb and rally races. The R32 GTR meanwhile was only really successful in Japan and in Australia.
E30 M3 won so many races it's silly. The E30 M3 was successful in rally, touring car, and hill climb; pretty insane to think that a car based on a sedan did so well.... But than again the E30 is legendary.
could you please shut up fanboy?
Max torque at 1,800 RPM makes for difficult corner exits..
Not very precise and easily sloppy unlike earlier M3's especially at and before the E46
Max torque is from 1850-5500rpm, that means in that rev range the horsepower is linear, which makes it better actually. Furthermore you don't exit corners at 1800rpm on a race track, but above 5000 rpm.
On the corners where you'll be in the 1800rpm range then having peak torque that low will be an advantage, those low revs are for coming out of hairpins or tight corners where you'll be at WOT and need all the grunt you can get.
You're very ignorant if you think a low-rpm peak torque number means it won't exit well. That's all to do with the differential, see; every V8 powered miata.
I wasn't specifically talking about taking the car to a track, on the street having peak torque starting at 1,800 means if you're driving quick (not racing) and you flinch on the throttle pedal under load at corner exit, you're sideways.
Also this car has +100 torques over the V8 which was already tail happy compared to the previous M3's.
Race engines aren't built for high torque at low rpm b/c of the corner exit instability.
Road cars however benefit greatly form this.. (Average people don't like revving out cars to pass on the highway for example)
Yes you can mitigate the instability with the diff but the car will always be inherently unstable.
So, the M3 is now more of a road car then ever. It's a great car but it's not the scalpel like weapon that it was.
Apologies for the character count here.
Juan Galvis 550Nm of torque isn't enough to spin the wheels at 1800rpm, because if you have 550Nm at 1800rpm, then you have about 140hp at those revs (simple equation), which definetely isn't enough to spin those wide sticky rear tires.
I guess you need the VP of M- department to try convince people that 3 liter twin turbo has the same or even better throttle response and racing feel on the limit of a high reving naturally aspirated engine when obviously all this downsizing is the result of EU emission restrictions. I get it gas is expensive and we love trees but if they really cared about maintaining the M- badge heritage they would have put the 5.0 liter V10 in it.
Does anyone else hate that steering wheel blue and red stitching?
Nope
No.
love it
lol you're not even saying it right xD
I wonder if your name is suppose to be Henly but when your parents told the nurse she spelled it Henry...
///AM3N
i drove this car in GT5 and it sucked...... so i dont like it......yes because a game.
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Tiago Pereira lololol
1) M cars need to be styled more agressive than the "normal" Bmw:s.
2) MB and Audi crap just copies what Bmw does and will always come second to M cars..
3) Really good interviews like this will never happen on stupid shows like Top Gear where the clowns only does fake stuff and have "car races" against swimmers,planes and slugs,all cheered by the low intelligent crowd..
If i dont buy a Chevrolet silverado. Camaro or a stingray i think I'll buy a M4.
Sure you will.
if you care about quality and engineering it should be quite obvious which one to choose
Quality & engineering....What about reliability? Oh yeah,I heard BM & reliable can't be used in the same sentence.Hence why I left out the W.
penvon bull.....shit....
"Chevy Silverado or M4" If you're going to lie, make it believable
He also glosses over the question about electric steering. It can never be as real as hydraulic steering. Also Mike should have asked why the need to pipe in exhaust sound over the stereo. That really does not belong in an M car! Had a Z4 M Coupe and like an idiot I got rid of it. That was about as raw a modern M car got.
What car did you get after the Z4?
Was not a big fan of Bangle at first but his designs grew on me later. The current Z4 looks no better, there wasn't even an M version. Z4 M may not be the rawest M car for sure but it's was pretty simple car without crazy electronics controlling your driving environment.
Got a B5.5 S4 with V8 (kids) but it was a pig so went with a 911 and GTI combo to make life easier.
arainla Ahh very nice, love S4's especially the V8 generations!
Yeah that was a bad move lol, they're keeping/going up in value. Those cars are great, one of the stiffest chassis BMW produced and a perfect balance of power and handling with some small suspension work.
A great car, but the front-end styling is butt-ugly....
I thought the exact same thing about the e92 when it first came out.
Now years later, its sexy as hell.
New C63 coupe will absolutely demolition this piece of shit 😂
+youngprankster94
No it wont,MB cars are just crap on track,slow as a family car.
It overpriced German rubbish . its a 25k new car at most. its slower than a 30k type r, has half the warranty , uses twice as much fuel, costs more to tax and its got the BMW chav sticker on it . Its overpriced tat from the ultimate pile of rubbish company BMW .