Awesome Titleist Irons you never hear about?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024
- Just an Average Golfer giving unbiased opinions on all things golf, product tests, Golf travel vlogs and golf news!
Do not miss a minute and subscribe now for FREE, join in the chat with golfers just like you!
WEBSITE - www.averagegolf...
Commercial Enquiries - michael@theazaleagroup.com
I play off 8 and I love these. Had them for 2 months golf is easy now;)
Lofts: my t400 43 wedge is my pw, my t400 pw is my 9 iron in my old set. So who cares about what loft irons have? It’s how long, high and well you hit them that counts…
We had a Titleist fitting day at my club. My older clubs were not getting the distance I wanted from my play, (74 years old, 6'2" at 240 lbs., I carry a 17 hcp.) I tried the T series of clubs and found the T400 was my club. The only issue I have found with the first six rounds was instead of being short on nearly every approach, I am now at the back of the green looking at downhill putts! I shot an 85 yesterday and had 39 on the back nine. Five pars and a bird! I also have found that I don't play as well with sunglasses during my shots, I was alone in the cart with another pair in the threesome, so I had less distraction, and was able to take more time with lining up the shots and thinking about managing the holes. What a nice round! I felt bad for my playing buddy who was saddled with a blabbing partner that wanted to come along. This was not a course that I am familiar with nor have I played it more than twice in the last few years. It's 6,032 from the white tees, par 71 My club is closed for over-seeding and maintenance at this time. These T400 irons (with graphite senior shafts) will change your game, long, straight, and high ball flight. I also moved the ball back in the stance a bit and it has lessened the hooking to more of a high draw! Sweetness! The feel, sound, and weight of these irons are terrific. Whatever you buy, try some of these new clubs... a big difference in play! The wedge gap is minimized by using more bump and run shots and adding a 56' wedge to the bag.
I know you don't want to be bothered by how strong lofted irons are, but there is a reason (2 reasons actually) that people should be concerned about the lofts on their irons... D-Plane and club gapping. if you deliver the face perfectly square to the path every time, then that's great, but most of us don't. if you deliver the face 2 degrees open with a 34degree 7 iron vs a 27degree 7 iron, the curve on the ball will be much less and more likely to be closer to your intended target. Then there are the gapping issues. how many wedges are you going to need to buy when your pitching wedge is 38DEGREEES!!! that's a 22 degree difference to my 60degree wedge or like having to have another 4 or 5 wedges in the bag to get the gapping right. The 5 iron in that set is basically a traditional 3 iron at 20 degrees. so you've only really got room for a 3 wood and driver at the top of the bag where people need the most help and should really be looking at having a 3 wood, 5 wood and then a 7 wood / 3 or 4 hybrid in that sort of 24 -13 degree range.
I’m so glad you did this review with little to no background information. It allowed you to provide feedback based on “results”....nothing preconceived.
I had these clubs in my hands a few weeks ago in Florida. They were in a pro shop so I couldn’t hit them, but, they looked really nice and they sure looked forgiving. I think Titleist really got it right starting with the AP series and they’ve gone even farther with this one.
Hey big man. Great video and content for being "unorganized" and last minute...
Your reviews are honest and straight forward with no BS and that is why I love watching you do product reviews..nice work!
These titleist irons you hit...considered irons for a high handicap, mid or low handicap or all?
Thanks brother!
First of all thxs. As for category, they would prob historically be in the mid/high but I think they could have a broader appeal
they are really intended for slower swing speed players, according to Titleist website, stock shaft is a 47 gram graphite.
Finally got my hands on a set of the T400s. Yes they are super lofted but ignore the numbrrs on the head and enjoy the quality of strike. Absolutely fantastic...and I'd never of know a about them without your review. Thanks
Just ordered these 5-9 iron. All because of your review. Superb review and I thank you!
Have you been happy with them so far ? Did you get fitted ?
I really enjoy the blind test with no tech in your head yet. Then afterwards discuss your opinion
Thanks and Cheers
Yeah I did actually, might be a thing
Lots of fun to hit 180+ yard 7 irons. The problem is you need five wedges. PW, AW, GW, SW and LW. I have a set of Exotic EXS irons that are similarly lofted. I ended bending the AW to 49* to illuminate the GW.
Modern MOI designs and face technology improvements have made standard loft viewpoints of the past completely irrelevant. All that matters is what flight the club produces, the carry, and the spin rate. It’s all about the performance sought by each holder, loft opinions are irrelevant.
Nice review as usual.
Great review I’ve just picked up some TAYLORMADE M4 irons and getting 10 yards more than my ping g irons probably down to the strong lofts but very easy to play with , it looks like most game improvement irons are going this way , love your on course videos and hope your channel grows for you 🏌️♂️🏌️♂️🏌️♂️🏌️♂️
Thanks and good luck with those irons, loved the M4's
I never really worry about the lofts because these days there is a total disconnect between the number on the bottom of the club and loft. 26 degrees is the same loft as my 5i, but the shaft length is a normal 7i shaft length. On that basis I would expect the spin rate to be 5000 rpm or thereabouts but the peak height and carry to be closer to a 6i. When you look at Andy's actual data the spin rate is higher than expected, the peak height is closer to a 7i than a 6i and the carry is between a 5i & 6i (for Andy's swing speed). Makes for an interesting set of compromises.
The only problem with the strong lofts is that for most average golfers there comes a point where they simply cannot get enough consistent launch - for me that is around 25-26 degrees even with the low CG of this type of iron. What do you carry in your bag when your longest iron is a 7i?
Agree with these comments and tbh most golfers would only need to go to 6 iron imo
Why not do a game improvement "best of" showdown between T400, G710, Hot Metal, Mavrik (and max), SIM (and max). It is the best selling category. Would love to see that on this channel
I would say he needs to include the Cleveland launcher turbo in there too, but great idea.
there is not regular sim irons just max and max os
How would you compare these irons to the PXG irons you currently game? I believe the Titleist T400’s are more expensive? Your thoughts are appreciated. I am scheduled to have a full bag fitting on June 4th with Club Champion. I look forward to trying these irons a long with several other brands.
I love these clubs , long powerful but good ball flight. Easy to hit and quality build good looking IMO. So worth a demo.
"I'm bothered about what this thing does in terms of performance and what it intends to do in performance" Quality statement. I've had plenty of arguments about lofts and club numbers on RUclips. Performance is all that matters. Very good review!!
P.s do you think this looks like a blend between the ap3 and u510 driving iron? Looks that way to me.
We have become obsessed with loft and spin Matthew and whilst they need acknowledging I dont like to be put off by them. Your comparison is spot on btw, Id not thought of that
I’ve had these for about 3 months, great irons but I’m finding inconsistent distances, I’m hitting the PW from 150y to 180y, seem to get a lot of flyers out of the rough. Be interested to hear others on this and if they get this?
Andy what was the feel like in your opinion find lot of these type of irons are rock hard cheers
Looks a great iron, tried it recently on a fitting very impressive on feel, distance, and in my view the best looking iron in the super game improvement sector.
Expensive but the quality and technology is superb. Titleist clubs unlike their competitors don’t date as much.
26 degree, so it's my 5 iron from 20 years ago and my 6 iron from 10 years ago. The spin rate, height and land angle are quite impressive thou given that loft.
I was surprised Rob and would not have guessed
I must say Andy, the spin rates of all the T series clubs have impressed me this year compared to other brands with comparable lofts. Wonder how they have done it.
26 degree 7 iron is 10 degress stronger than my 7 iron from my TM 845s from 25-30 years ago
Hello big man.. Just curious ... Is this baby as easy (and forgiving) to hit as the Cleveland HB Turbo or Corbra t-rail irons?? I probably shot about a 97 - 100 for 18 holes of golf.. Which iron do you think would help me more?? Thank you very much..
howlingwolf125y , it’s a good question but you might want to offer up more inside into your scoring. Is it accuracy, distance, short game, bunker play, putting? Ie, I couldn’t hit a fairway for love no more even as a single figure golfer, but my short game saved me, then I got the G410 driver and hardly ever miss a fairway, result, I came down four shots last year. Now I’m pulling my irons, but that’s a technique thing.
Club technology will get you so far so perhaps offer up some info, ie do you struggle getting the ball airborne or carrying the irons a decent distance. I’m sure then far better qualified people than me can give some guidance.
I am always reluctant on suggesting any product over another, for me, you should try all three and see what works for you
I saw these in person at the New England Golf Expo a couple of weeks ago - what a beautiful looking iron! Definitely on my short list to hit. Thanks Andy - keep up the great work!
Give them a go
Nice to hear about these, you should look into your sound level.
I'm going to get fitted for some clubs, definitely these are going to be in the mix. Thanks for the review.
Great review again Andy! Would be even a tad greater, if you would show the club(s) in real in front of the camera, close-ups, instead of pictures etc. Minor thing, amongst this all, but please consider. Take care all!
Ok I take on board
Great review Mate...I know Titleist makes great irons but the loft on these clubs are way strong...A great improvement iron I found was the Callaway XR Pro irons and loft more realistic to tradition...7 iron loft of 35 deg not a 26 deg...But nice review any way...
Yeah its a shift from them
Callaway XR pro 7 iron is 30.5 degrees loft
How do you rate the T400 compared to the Callaway Mavrik Max? Both seem to be in the oversized category.
I tried these at a Titleist trial Day !! Not bad but compared to my Callaway Big Bertha's -No contest !! If they want a game improvement iron it needs to be bigger ie OS style.
As long as you got what you like all that matters
I am actually considering a set of Big Berthas/Mavriks or these. So you have hit both and like the Berthas better?
Andy would you say this is titleist competition to jpx 919 hot metal irons? Size soul and forgiveness?
It reminded me of an oversize P790
I look forward to trying these new irons soon Andy. Thanks for the review!👍
Thanks for watching
Great off the cuff review Andy I liked it mate as you knew nothing about it just got down and hit them then as always gave us your honest feedback, this could be the future Andy no research just pick them up hit them tell us what you think brilliant cheers Peter
Yeah I like that thought process
What’s better, this or the Callaway epic forged?
I own both sets and I have to say the Titleist is a far better club for the money. Just for reference I’m a 2 handicap and have never played a non forged club or a game improvement iron. I gained 15 yards on my shots per club with the T400 but maintained stopping power on the greens.
i just don't get it, Andy swings Decathlon Inesis 500 (7i) 170yds carry and 180yds total , and he swings the Titleist T400 about the same distance. I have been using both of these clubs, Decathlon I swing 118yds and I swing Titleist T400 143 yds. My numbers are based on pure hits, the T400 are insanely long. Inesis are perfect and fun to hit, I use them on PAR 3 on vacation, they just don't give me the extra yards needed that I am looking for because I have a slow swing speed.
Always enjoy your videos. Lately, I struggle actually hearing what you're saying at times. Any other feedback on this or is it just me? Thanks
As in volume or accent or mumbling, take your pick
@@TheAverageGolfer ...volume...thanks
Thanks for the review 👍👍
I liked your video Andy... it seems you are almost paid for pushing this club but after a while I can sense you have a way expressing some valid thoughts about this club. Think I’ll be looking into this iron soon
Big Bertha 2015 a very similar a think
yes perhaps
You certainly took to that 7 iron ....and were excited with the results. Price will deter the ‘average golfer’ though I think.
Agree David
Old clubs irons , from Callaway, ping , Hogan,gonna, power built, tiger sharks, Yonex, prgr, Wilson's, Yamaha,....Titleist irons
Another great video mate, will need to have a look at these
Thanks
just been checking these out online and the PW 38deg has the loft of my 8 iron!!..... Holy S**t! how many wedges are you going to need to gap the bottom of your bag???
wedges instead of long irons
I’ve got epic forged, 5 iron 205 carry, 8 iron 155 carry and I’m a 21 handicap, so gapping is there, 5/pw and 46 50 58 wedges
I'm not going to comment on the loft, as I think the engineers position weight for a ball flight, so the loft needs to match that.
I'll just say they look great, perform well, but are too expensive in my mind for most people out there! Especially as hundreds of billions have been wiped off the stock markets these last few weeks! I think sales are gonna really struggle this year, so things need to be at the right price point.
really valid points there Jay
Another great review. Your grouping was excellent aswell. The only thing that would put me off buying these irons is the price, at £170.00 per iron. Expensive to say the least but on the other hand if you take the game properly they cannot be ignored. Great review again, keep them coming and I will always watch them. You provide a truly unbiased opinion which I always respect and value your opinion.
Love to hear that sort of feedback thanks
Looks a very similar product to my Callaway Big Bertha OS 2017 irons which are great ( and much cheaper!)
Yes similarities
Booom what a club eh ⛳️⛳️👍👍👍nice fitting bay 👍👍
I’ll try them out when next at Foregolf
I feel absolutely robbed. I went out and purchased T300, l was after distance 1st and forgiveness 2nd. Why wasn't the T400 launched alongside T100, T200 and T300.
Yes I can understand, I have no idea their reason or logic
Interesting test and results given its how most of us weekend hackers approach our golf. Last minute unprepared just whack it. Maybe it's a more realistic test for the average club golfer
Very good point Dennis
The lofts on these are crazy strong!
Really are and I was surprised to find out later
@@TheAverageGolfer Andy my 7 has 34* of loft Apex Pro's. I've power bats XR Steelhead Pro's and that 7 iron is 31*. Sub 30*is a joke I thought Titleist wouldn't enter this marketing rubbish like the other large OEM's.
@@donnachalyons3904 it seems that they work
Here in the USA, Titleist does not allow discounts when you buy their clubs..... TaylorMade does. That's enough for me. Bye, Titleist!
Why doesn’t Titleist just rename the W2 wedge to PW ? And go from there…
Is same tech as Cobra F9 irons (which you wouldn't have gamed).
The same tech? what does that mean? They are both game improvement irons?
26 Degrees? what happens when you get to the PW and the rest of your Wedges?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. They look more like a driving iron to me.
Id agree....I love driving irons though
To big all the clubs
7 Iron is 23 degrees. No wonder they are long?
looks like a super thick ap3
Lets do a WITB Andy. You still gaming PXG's?
Yep
My comments here you will find annoying if you haven't golfed for a lot of years or you don't golf a lot. So if you are a new or casual golfer - don't waste time reading this. If you have golfed a lot of years, you may find this useful. I call these my "Fancy Country Club" clubs. Price = ouch. A retirement gift to myself for 45 years of hard labor. Was it worth the money? Not sure yet. If you buy new clubs, no matter what you have to make an adjustment. I buy new clubs every 4-5 years because golf is a big part of my life. I've owned Callaway and Mizuno and had very good years with both. Mizuno's were the clubs I played when I played my strongest, best years of golf. Callaway clubs have been the easiest clubs I would say to adjust to playing with. Am I scoring better with the 400's? Maybe a little but not a big difference. Do they feel great when you strike the ball? Absolutely. Solid effortless weighting, immediately evident and you'll hear the fun little Titleist snick sound. When you are fitted for them in a pro shop, you will get extra attention and your club fitter will take extra time with you. (also fun) I've golfed for many, many years mostly with a lower handicap so here's some tips: Make sure you get the length right for this clubs weighting to begin with because cutting them will destroy the tech in the shaft. For God sake whatever you do if you have to cut a couple of them when you finally get them delivered (like a quarter/half inch for control or feel or whatever), stand over the guy doing it or make sure that person knows exactly what they are doing because a poorly trained kid took 1.5 inches off mine when I told him I needed a half inch off them and he wrecked them. They had to be reordered and that was a pain. It takes two weeks minimum to get these custom fit clubs and that mistake cost me 5 weeks of play in the summer waiting (going back and forth between two sets of irons over that 5 weeks made me one very damn crabby golfer). Everything about the technical performance of these clubs is in a proper fitting. You have to have the right weight and flex in the shafts. Once you get it right, the experience is largely excellent. They are lofted strong so the number on the head means very little. You will do time on a range to adjust your distances because they will hit a lot longer for a standard numbered loft. If you have golfed for a lot of years and have the ability to shape a shot you'll find this a challenge. The club face hits the ball dead straight... no matter what part of the face you strike. Initially, this can feel quite rewarding but the guy in the fitting warned me this is not always a good thing. He did not like the 400's and he tried to pull me back into the 300's. I didn't believe him and this has been a hard adjustment. The 400 sole is weighted, shaped and designed to kind of swish off the turf - not to dig or leave a divot. These are a game improvement iron - I bought them to help me golf stronger with my advancing age but the truth is - I'm paying a price for making the transition. If you play in the mid-west or north of Florida with thick soft grass you will probably love the initial feel of the clubs. However, if you golf in a place like Florida on medium grade courses where the fairways are hard and dry - you'll be very hard pressed to go through the turf. Don't get me wrong - you will make good contact because of the forgiveness of the weighting but I had to make an adjustment to not making any kind of divot on an approach anymore. That aspect felt a bit remedial. If you are a low handicapper these clubs truly may not be right for you. Would I put myself through this hassle again for the sake of having the hope of gaining a couple stroke advantage? Unless the next two years of my life shows marked consistent performance, I would say no. I'm thinking my next set will likely be well fit, mid priced Callaway's. If you are thinking about buying these, getting sucked into the hype then go try them out, walk away for a few days and go back and try different clubs before you commit.
Andy, you lost me at "175 quid a club". Yowza!
Sorry
I appreciate your reviews but this one was unfocused and unnecessarily over 10 min. long. The relevant information regarding the T400s could have been done in over half the time. Thank you for considering honest opinions and I appreciate your consideration.
Wow that's a really strong loft
It is and I was surprised because I would have guessed incorrectly based on performance
I struggle to get my head around the lofts, I'd like to see the loft number and club number together on the bottom of the club
Great video
Thanks Gary
You may be first reviewer? (First I've seen anyway) 👏
Yeah I am not aware of any
Nice to see jack putting the boxes 📦 in the bin for once !!!! Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂⛳️⛳️👍👍great vid pal
I did spot his cameo
26 degrees for a 7 iron? More like a 5 iron, even a 4!
Looks like a 718 AP3
A bigger version
Nice carry for 26 degree 6 iron. I would take those #s any day. Very informative video Andy will give them a look. 🤜🤛
That's what I thought too when I saw the loft flash on the screen. Went back and check and it was a 7i.
I think you mean 5 iron
@@donnachalyons3904 Same loft as my 5 iron so correct
@@derekshorrock594 same as my Apex Pro, my 7 has 34*
Titleist website says 26 degree 7 iron
Look great but the lofts are a joke. They wouldn't get in my bag
To me lofts are irrelevant. Until you try clubs like these; you will never realize how much they can help your game.
Lots just wont accept it Dave
dave palmerton - to me this makes loft relevant and the traditional number on the bottom irrelevant. These lofts are essentially 3-8 iron in old school terms. You then need irons to fill the gaps. I don’t see any reason why they could not have numbered these irons with traditional numbers. Obviously it’s a Jedi marketing mind trick where a golfer picks up a 7 iron but is actually just hitting a 5 and feels better about it.
@@templemat To me it is a matter of these type of clubs being able to improve the game for the type of player they are designed for. I can speak first hand they make a world of difference.
dave palmerton - thats what counts in the end. I prefer Hogan golf clubs approach where they just stamp the loft on the bottom of the club, the traditional numbers are meaningless now.
Crazy loft but they look much better than the t300s
Yes extremely strong
I've been waiting on a review on these for awhile, great to finally see one of these bad boys in action. I think I may pre-order these, but with that price I may need to butter up the wife a little lol.
Make sure you try them yourself first
It's a callaway in disguise in my opinion
Really, which one?
Nah, the delofted Callways don’t come close to these types of spin numbers or launch angle.
I've been hitting clubs the past few weeks. So far, the T400 is the front runner. Many other clubs I want to like, but the T400 has been outperforming them all, both accuracy and distance. And I don't know where these reviewers are getting these ridiculous distances. 80 mph club head speed and hitting a 7 iron 170 yards. Seriously? I'm 61 years old, hitting these regular flex graphite and about 80 mph and carrying 125. Distance has always been an issue for me.
Lofts are so stupid strong they offer 4 wedges ffs.
So the 7 iron is the same loft but an inch shorter than a 5 iron in a standard set so probably goes same distance as aforementioned shortened 5 iron. The P is 38°, W 43°, W2 49° ...so you buy 7 to W2 instead of 5 to PW ...no difference really except for number on sole of clubs.
Absolutely, the review is about the 'iron' and how it feels, looks, performs, you can call it what ever makes you feel comfortable? 6,5,4 iron what does it matter?
Honma ,
Trust me you shouldn’t