I did a 3 way build with a 15inch SB driver that sound so effing incredible! I found out what it means to load the room. Easy fix. Open the sliding glass door a touch. The volume is 2-3 hundred watts and sounds crystal clear. Doesn't hurt your ears. Just sounds completely full and amazing amazing. Those drivers were $500 each, so not cheap, but worth every penny.
I'd like to try the 15" OBO woofer for a slotted open baffle speaker camp that we are putting on in the spring. I'm very happy with the Satori MR13P-8 5" Egyptian Papyrus Cone Midrange that I'm using in my home brewed system. These are quality drivers.
Very interesting. I am looking at drivers for a highish efficiency (95dB/w/m or better) sealed system. Many high efficiency drivers fall flat with either too high of fs or too low of Qts. I have found a couple of 15" drivers from PRV and Eminence that model very well so I look forward to modeling some of your 15 and 18 inch drivers. My target is solid output down to 32 Hz but with sound quality appropriate for a SET amp. I am OK with using series cap to tweak response.
@@mridulkrishansharma5394 The PRV 15W700 in a 350 Liter sealed models down 5dB at 32Hz. With any amount of room gain it should be pretty flat to this 8va. according to horn resp modeling an 800uF capacitor in series would bring it up so that it is only down 1dB with no room gain. Models about 95dB/W with no wall boost. Eminence Legend BP1525 is down more like 7dB but in a smaller room might also work.
In my mind, at those sizes, a high Xmax would suit that driver type as a subwoofer, definitely not a mid-bass. Even at high SPL with those size drivers you wouldn't need much of an Xmax for getting flat down to 80hz or so.
This was a great interview, good questions and I thought the answers had a lot of substance and technical detail, I would have thought he was an engineer based on how he was answering. I'd like to see more OE manufactures interviews like this, they don't necessarily need to be new brands Suggestion, cut the 'subscribe' and 'notification' nags. People are either going to subscribe or aren't based on the quality of the content, constantly badgering people is probably going to have the opposite effect.
I actually asked him about that and it's in the more in depth part on my patreon page. But he actually is an electrical engineer as well. So it makes sense. As far as the subscribe, there's only four in a 25 minute video. I don't think it's excessive. And if that's what's going to stop them from watching the content, then they weren't really that interested in it either way.
@@Toid That doesn't surprise me at all and if he didn't have some sort of engineering background that would have surprised me. In regards to the subscription thing. The sound affects and graphics just give the impression you are more interested 'grinding the algorithm' than providing quality content. I just don't think you need to do it (the content is great and speaks for itself) and I honestly think its counter productive for the target audience.
4:44 "A cheap driver doesn't have to sound cheap." That's exactly what Joseph Crowe's DIY Speaker Building found in his review of sbaudience compression driver review. This guy was spitting truth literally. And at 8:15 he was talking about tonality and even Troy Joseph Crowe said even the titanium diaphragm sounds smooth that too at just $200 Also 13:17 what he was saying there is exactly what the dude [who had build sub with that huge 31.5" fostex woofer just look for thumbnail with gigantic woofer lol] said in steve guttenburg's video all the pro drivers have stiff suspention to take the power and are pretty much not designed to work at lower power levels [home use] And as even you mentioned how great that woofer & compression driver was its no coincidence 3 independant diy builders saying the same thing.
For a marketing manager of an audio company, you’d think someone would get a proper microphone and dial in the reverberation of their room to show quality audio matters to them on every facet.
Yeah. I don't think this type of interview is normal for him. But we also had a mix-up with the time we were meeting, which may have played into this as well. Either way, it was great to see him take the time to introduce SB Audience and let us know more about them and they're philosophy.
@@Toid exactly, professionals can very easily get these kinds of issues as well as us, particularly when there's a timing mismatch on when an interview is to occur. It can throw you right off. Likelihood is, if there was a misunderstanding on when the interview was meant to be as you said, he probably had to use his laptop microphone, when doing that, there's not much you can do to make the audio sound good 😂
I didn't find the audio that bad and really its content that counts and for marketing manager I was pretty impressed with the depth of knowledge he had on tap.
Ok, they are a great company, just a question: usually we correlate great speakers depending on how large the magnet is that drives the whole thing, how come that the subwoofer magnets on SB Audience subwoofers are quite thin? Currently, I'm considering a DIY subwoofer build, and I'm looking for a great subwoofer. Edit: I know that the speaker characteristics matter, the magnet was just something I noticed.
It depends on which subwoofer you're looking at, but some of them use neodymium magnets. These magnets are much stronger and smaller then the traditional magnets that you're used to.
@@Toid Thx, for the answer. Yeah, had a feeling they might use neodymium magnets. Would love to see you design an enclosure and build a subwoofer around one of these.
Yeah it looks really good. If I remember correctly though I was having a hard time with either first port resonance or airport velocity. I need to look into it more. For the price it looks to be a fantastic subwoofer.
@@thephantompsychic I don't think he denies that measurements are important, but maybe pushes some easily marketable snake oil instead for whatever reason. Metrology is still a field in development so it's easy do deny it where it doesn't directly describe what people perceive. Frequency plots don't match people's description of timbre. Channel separation doesn't describe people's perception of direction. Measurements don't capture imagination, so why market them if you can say: our stuff measures just as good as competitors', but we add something special that is our secret. Except when you call it a secret (even if you bluff), you make people want to learn it. When you call it unmeasurable, then it's esoteric to which people react differently. It rubs their mystical belly. Something that people crave these days. I can see this tendency in politics. You can get away with more bluff this way.
You don't design by measurements you design by sound, measurements are only there to aid you in the design process. I've never heard any of any competent designer state anything otherwise from loudspeakers to DACs and from DIY to huge manufactures selling 1,000s of units.
@@PhillioDoede Do you know anyone who designs drive units? Because for all I know, the design process is dominated by measuring the thing with a microphone and a laser. In HiFi tweeter design for instance CSD tells you almost all you need to know about the sound. Short decay driver will always be preferred over long one. Why would a manufacturer stray from that?
Mark is a great dude and is going to change the game.
Just discovered this line after being away from building for a couple decades. Incredibly linear and easy to use.
I did a 3 way build with a 15inch SB driver that sound so effing incredible! I found out what it means to load the room. Easy fix. Open the sliding glass door a touch. The volume is 2-3 hundred watts and sounds crystal clear. Doesn't hurt your ears. Just sounds completely full and amazing amazing. Those drivers were $500 each, so not cheap, but worth every penny.
only the c9 is necessary, you can save alot and its more 'achievable'
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 Who makes a C9? What is it?
AWESOME !! =) ... Great to have this kinda interview on here. =)
thanks for this interview, makes it easier to buy SB drivers. looking at making something like 212, but with 10" drivers.
I'd like to try the 15" OBO woofer for a slotted open baffle speaker camp that we are putting on in the spring. I'm very happy with the Satori MR13P-8 5" Egyptian Papyrus Cone Midrange that I'm using in my home brewed system. These are quality drivers.
SB accoustic is Made in Indonesia
Some time. 😄😄😄😄
I'm running SB acoustics in my doors.
Better than China!
Very interesting. I am looking at drivers for a highish efficiency (95dB/w/m or better) sealed system. Many high efficiency drivers fall flat with either too high of fs or too low of Qts. I have found a couple of 15" drivers from PRV and Eminence that model very well so I look forward to modeling some of your 15 and 18 inch drivers. My target is solid output down to 32 Hz but with sound quality appropriate for a SET amp. I am OK with using series cap to tweak response.
Have you found any sealed driver hitting this low ?..32hz..and is it 0db?
@@mridulkrishansharma5394 The PRV 15W700 in a 350 Liter sealed models down 5dB at 32Hz. With any amount of room gain it should be pretty flat to this 8va. according to horn resp modeling an 800uF capacitor in series would bring it up so that it is only down 1dB with no room gain.
Models about 95dB/W with no wall boost.
Eminence Legend BP1525 is down more like 7dB but in a smaller room might also work.
Would love to see a high xmax 8" and 10", in the SB Audience line. Not a sub, but strong midbass.
In my mind, at those sizes, a high Xmax would suit that driver type as a subwoofer, definitely not a mid-bass. Even at high SPL with those size drivers you wouldn't need much of an Xmax for getting flat down to 80hz or so.
Please see HomeTheatre Gurus channel he explains what’s mid bass. It’s 30-50 so it’s sub duty so a subwoofer
Использую ваши драйверы для постройки HiEnd аудио системы , они просто удивительно звучат неповторимо.
Какие конкретно использовали?)
This was a great interview, good questions and I thought the answers had a lot of substance and technical detail, I would have thought he was an engineer based on how he was answering. I'd like to see more OE manufactures interviews like this, they don't necessarily need to be new brands
Suggestion, cut the 'subscribe' and 'notification' nags. People are either going to subscribe or aren't based on the quality of the content, constantly badgering people is probably going to have the opposite effect.
I actually asked him about that and it's in the more in depth part on my patreon page. But he actually is an electrical engineer as well. So it makes sense. As far as the subscribe, there's only four in a 25 minute video. I don't think it's excessive. And if that's what's going to stop them from watching the content, then they weren't really that interested in it either way.
@@Toid That doesn't surprise me at all and if he didn't have some sort of engineering background that would have surprised me.
In regards to the subscription thing. The sound affects and graphics just give the impression you are more interested 'grinding the algorithm' than providing quality content. I just don't think you need to do it (the content is great and speaks for itself) and I honestly think its counter productive for the target audience.
4:44 "A cheap driver doesn't have to sound cheap." That's exactly what Joseph Crowe's DIY Speaker Building found in his review of sbaudience compression driver review. This guy was spitting truth literally.
And at 8:15 he was talking about tonality and even Troy Joseph Crowe said even the titanium diaphragm sounds smooth that too at just $200
Also 13:17 what he was saying there is exactly what the dude [who had build sub with that huge 31.5" fostex woofer just look for thumbnail with gigantic woofer lol] said in steve guttenburg's video all the pro drivers have stiff suspention to take the power and are pretty much not designed to work at lower power levels [home use]
And as even you mentioned how great that woofer & compression driver was its no coincidence 3 independant diy builders saying the same thing.
The 65CDN-T looks interesting. 300-14kHz using dual drivers.
For a marketing manager of an audio company, you’d think someone would get a proper microphone and dial in the reverberation of their room to show quality audio matters to them on every facet.
Good message but that is echoy as a gym
Yeah. I don't think this type of interview is normal for him. But we also had a mix-up with the time we were meeting, which may have played into this as well. Either way, it was great to see him take the time to introduce SB Audience and let us know more about them and they're philosophy.
@@Toid exactly, professionals can very easily get these kinds of issues as well as us, particularly when there's a timing mismatch on when an interview is to occur. It can throw you right off. Likelihood is, if there was a misunderstanding on when the interview was meant to be as you said, he probably had to use his laptop microphone, when doing that, there's not much you can do to make the audio sound good 😂
I didn't find the audio that bad and really its content that counts and for marketing manager I was pretty impressed with the depth of knowledge he had on tap.
Когда представительство Sb acoustics появится в России ? Это большой рынок и у вашей компании тут точно будет большой успех, реализуйте это быстрей !
They are in Buchardt Audio speakers....
Hopefully they won't bump the prices up until ive made my 212's lol
Приветствую! Как вы видите SB Audience BIANCO-12OB150 в качестве мидбаса в домашней двухполосной системе? Благодарю!
Ok, they are a great company, just a question: usually we correlate great speakers depending on how large the magnet is that drives the whole thing, how come that the subwoofer magnets on SB Audience subwoofers are quite thin? Currently, I'm considering a DIY subwoofer build, and I'm looking for a great subwoofer. Edit: I know that the speaker characteristics matter, the magnet was just something I noticed.
It depends on which subwoofer you're looking at, but some of them use neodymium magnets. These magnets are much stronger and smaller then the traditional magnets that you're used to.
@@Toid Thx, for the answer. Yeah, had a feeling they might use neodymium magnets. Would love to see you design an enclosure and build a subwoofer around one of these.
Have you seen the GRS SW12-4 HE
A high excursion version of the SW12 that goes down to 20 Hz easily
Yeah it looks really good. If I remember correctly though I was having a hard time with either first port resonance or airport velocity. I need to look into it more. For the price it looks to be a fantastic subwoofer.
Ironic how a dude who works in the audio industry does interviews with such a horrific echo and microphone 😂 Great interview though!
what is the difference between SB Acoustics and SB Audience?
one is the pro audio line and the other is the regular hifi home audio diy etc.
Good interview 👍 But whats up with the constant slow zooms in and out ? Quite distracting .
Yeah the editor experiments a little.
Cropping out someone in the background.
Wish if mark can speak more than toid. Also nothing great getting to know than general talk.
really downplaying the measurements. kind of weird :) for a manufacturer.
He's only a marketing guy though.
I found that quite odd. One would think that the measurements are quite important but i havent had multiple years of schooling on it either.
@@thephantompsychic I don't think he denies that measurements are important, but maybe pushes some easily marketable snake oil instead for whatever reason. Metrology is still a field in development so it's easy do deny it where it doesn't directly describe what people perceive. Frequency plots don't match people's description of timbre. Channel separation doesn't describe people's perception of direction. Measurements don't capture imagination, so why market them if you can say: our stuff measures just as good as competitors', but we add something special that is our secret. Except when you call it a secret (even if you bluff), you make people want to learn it. When you call it unmeasurable, then it's esoteric to which people react differently. It rubs their mystical belly. Something that people crave these days. I can see this tendency in politics. You can get away with more bluff this way.
You don't design by measurements you design by sound, measurements are only there to aid you in the design process. I've never heard any of any competent designer state anything otherwise from loudspeakers to DACs and from DIY to huge manufactures selling 1,000s of units.
@@PhillioDoede Do you know anyone who designs drive units?
Because for all I know, the design process is dominated by measuring the thing with a microphone and a laser. In HiFi tweeter design for instance CSD tells you almost all you need to know about the sound. Short decay driver will always be preferred over long one. Why would a manufacturer stray from that?