Can You Beat Theatre Owning NO Limited 5-Stars?
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EDIT: apparently people are clearing with ONLY trial characters and one friendship character, and having no artifacts and lv. 1 weapons on the others and never switching to them. So the game mode is so easy you don't actually need to build any characters to beat it.
I just wish it wasn’t so linear. Either 1) you have units built and it’s easy or 2) you don’t have the units and it’s impossible
Or 3) I’m just unbelievably goated. Which I will accept.
Ur the goat
Hello jello what improvements do you think hoyo can do to make the content more interesting?
😂😂😂 this game need skill , there are just only few character who need skill
I had enough units built but still struggled a bit so I think it's option 3 XD
I genuinely have a skill issue lmao. You are definitely much better than I am 😂 but that’s why I watch! I’m trying to get gud
old players can beat it like a piece of cake, new players cant even attempt without enough characters and there are players who are not old players but also not new new (1 to 1.5years) and are still perfecting their favourite characters are the one who are struggling in this mode. They have enough characters but havent built them until now and are missing out on primos
Precisely
Hehe exactly my ordeal. I've got enough characters but I've been focusing on quests and exploration so even my nahida was stuck at level 50 until a little while ago because I couldn't be asked to find a guide for her lotuses
My current problem is I have no idea wtf all these characters I've never touched do. Like, I understand Xiao is a hoppy boy and likes Faruzan, but when do I actually press E or ult? Do I use charge attack or E or Q first on Faruzan? I'm sure 10 minutes of investigation and I'd understand more, but there's like 10 new characters I haven't used on my teams now and I have no muscle memory for any of them yet.
I've played for about half a year f2p and fully cleared it twice pretty easily.
@@OMGcluelessI've been playing since December 2020 and I still don't know how Mika, Alhaitham, Dehya, Rosaria, and a few other 4 stars I've never used work. You're not alone lmao
bold of you to assume i have friends to borrow characters from
Lmao relatable
Nah its true tho
same, I don't have so one will text me
I have tons of friends in Genshin, none of which I know in real life. Just from people I met in Coop and people world-hopping looking for materials.
You can also, just use the Coop menu to add some strong-looking accounts.
hahahaha so tree 😂
"i'm trying to be more relatable"
pulls out 40cv artifacts 😎
exactly bro literally spent every day max refreshing but is relate able
😂😂😂
Here I am with maximum 30CV on one artifact and ~20CV on the rest.
@@deanthelemur1716bruh I’ve barely refreshed lol
I finished with half roster using 4stars artifacts BC i didn't have enough sets leveled. It's not that hard.
@@savieira Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's doable. I'm not arguing with that. I think the hardest part is leveling up enough characters because I've been playing for a year and can't even try the hardest difficulty.
"not fair Jello ofc you think its a joke, you're using 5* artifacts😭" 😂😂
How are you not my guy?
@@AuraLegend-up8tp im free to play i have very few.
@@AuraLegend-up8tp it's a joke brother
Is it a joke though? How many people actually have 18 full sets of 5* artifacts with the right main stat and half decent sub stat? It takes a couple weeks of dedicated farming to get 1 set like that.
@@frankxu4795nah fam months sometimes
I mean, it's not only about only building your characters, but actually understand what each of them provide and how to execute rotation when you are not using the same teammates some people have fall into a comfort with.
A friend of mine took my Wryothsley that I demolish the chapters I used him, mentioning that he can't even finish the chapter with my Wryo, he later streamed his run to me... oh boy, It's easy to forget that not everyone can adapt to these conditions, people that got used to only use 1 or 2 character with the same 3 teammates and do the same motions over and over again have a hard time on IT. In part because they not really aware of what exactly is the character doing, and how this can fit with other characters.
The best teams have very good synergy, but there are lesser synergies that can easily do work and feel nice to play.
I had the mistaken idea that I needed to star every act in order to get the full rewards, like Abyss. Once I realized that I only needed to clear to get full rewards, however long it takes, I felt much less stressed about it actually succeeded.
I think a lot of people have the same misconception. I told my friend about it and for the whole of 4.7, he thought he needed to collect all the stars
you don't need stars?!
@@Idknlandwh123 if you finish you get all the rewards. the stars are only for flexing on your friends 🤣
I'm glad you're not like my friend who refuses to do it at all because "people can see how many stars you have in your profile!" like people care bro lol
The hardest challenge in this game is reading. But we've been skipping text for years so I get it
I feel like this game mode is more of a strategy check. As long as you have enough characters and they are built semi-ok, it's more than enough to clear it if you plan your character uses. If you just throw any characters together without strategy (or pick too many boons early on), you'll end up struggling with bad teams towards the end.
agree.
my strategy is :
stage 1-2 : using weak characters (including trial characters)
stage 3 : using matching line up for boss, if possible i am using mid character here
stage 4 : using strong character here bcs monolith defense is fkin annoying
stage 5 : kinda ez, sometimes need 2 dps bcs this stages chalenge is defeating 20+ enemies
stage 6 : same like stage 3
srage 7 : using strong character here usually, if possible i am saving strong chars for 8
stage 8 : all out here
*bosses stage are easy, just need a calm head here
@@aoikokomi8625The second rotation is fine, but the first one was not good. The game REALLY wanted you to use an Electro team for the stage 3 boss, but the trial Clorande simply wasn't good enough to get it done, and the first boss simply comes too soon to make relying on getting a specific non-starting unit consistent.
Also, things are closer than you may think - while most of the early floors have a soft time limit from a ramping stage hazard once the Star Time passes, boss nodes give you 15 seconds past the Star Time, and then just instantly fail the stage.
As a final note, the issue with the mode not being hard enough for Jello is also caused in part by the poor quality of the Trial Characters - you HAVE to use characters from the starting cast for the beginning of each run, so the early stages are constrained by the need for them to be reasonable for people to clear with the Trial Characters, since locking players out of an endgame mode for an entire month because they didn't pull a specific character three months ago is plain stupid. Make them better, and then it becomes more feasable for the enemies in the mode to be scaled such that players with stacked accounts like Jello don't just obliterate them in five seconds.
@@alexstewart9592 sure the trial characters are poorly built, even not reaching almost-proper. u cant rely on her alone, but we have 3 slot left right?
many option here that always work
1. Hyper carry (i think this only work optimally for early stage, since u will get random chars on the way)
2. Dual on field dps (main & sub, like Eula and Raiden in a team)
3. on field + off field dps (for extra dps)
4 multiple elemental reaction.
*for first IT. @ stage 3 i use : Clorinde(trial), Fischl, Heizou (just for 4vv), and a random; work fine, with 4s left,
stage 6 : arlechino(trial), kuki, chevreuse, dehya. (chevreuse/xiangling is overkill here tbh), i have time abt 13-14s
stage 8 : hu tao, bennet, yoimiya, beidou. (i realize healthy hutao is not that bad). i have 20s+ here, i dont remember the exact time
*just take note, u can do chill to take note wich stage is annoying and need for strong character to tackle. and do better in ur retry run. Using t0-t1 chars like Neuvillette, Yelan is over kill for boss stage, try to save them.
"as long as you have enough characters and they are built semi-ok" well, that's the problem right here. That's the major wall a lot of (f2p) players are facing. On paper this doesn't seem like a huge deal, you don't have to grind for perfect artifacts after all, but building all or at least most of your characters to the point that they're at least somewhat viable takes so much grinding, which (depending on your luck and the amount of units you need to built) could take anything between a few months to more than a year.
I obviously can't speak for everyone but once I've reached "end game" I just focused on optimizing a few team comps to improve my abyss performances, and up to this point this was the most efficient and logical way to spent your resources on. So although I've been playing for almost three years now, and got plenty of strong units, the vast majority of my units are still under level 60 with their default 1*-weapon and no artifacts or skill points. I've got enough to at least clear the theater, that's definitely not my issue, but my performance is so much worse than compared to someone like jello who has built every character and access to a lot of good weapons and artifacts, and I feel like he's completely ignorant to that fact. Yes, everyone got all the f2p units, most people have at least a few strong 5-stars and at the very least 2-3 decent team comps (with the possibility of some duplicated units mind you), but that's clearly not enough to clear the theater.
Planning ahead is the hardest part. It's easy to mess up by adding a character too soon that you need later and then you have to start all over.
Yep. And, then you only have so many trials....
"Everyone has Yelan" - I guess I am not everyone :(
Just know id give you my Yelan.
She is not even needed. I skipped her 3 times and never regretted 😂 My support hydro's are Koko, Xingxiu and Furina and that's 100% enough.
I'm still pulling for her. So far, she has continued to elude me.
@@beverlyrussell8034 unlucky, hopedully you get her by the end of the banner
I am a somewhat new player, only been on for a year and I do not have all the characters. Around 10 of my characters are really well built, leveled up, talents to 9, great set artifacts with good or great sub-stats. Because I went against typical newbie advice, I built up around 20 more characters to level 79, talents at 8 or 9, but their artifacts are still very mid. With so many characters available, I did give the theater a try.
Despite me having more than enough characters ready, however, I'm finding the theater to be moderately difficult. Though I do have the strategy and team synergy part mostly covered, my less developed characters are often riddled with 4 star artifacts that are too good to replace with 5 star junk. But they're four star stats, so they're not quite strong enough to clear the battle comfortably. It is a challenging game mode for people who aren't at the 90th percentile with character building on 20 or more characters.
I love that we can let our friends use our characters, always feels good to have my whaling be useful for others too lol😂
"JELLO YOURE WRONG IMAGINARIUM THEATRE IS RWEALLY HAARD"
Honestly, he should be a voice actor.
I mean, if it's not hard why was he try harding so much in some battles? He was quiet, had a stern face and kinda sweaty. Like he was putting some sort of act. He did do it though but I think he realizes is not as easy as he thought
@@Kyosukedono i dont think u watched the vid??? at the start he said that. u can see the quotes bro.
I feel like the issue is that there's never enough mats to build so many characters, AND ALSO that there's so many artificial limitations on building characters, so this mode favors long term players. if it weren't for that, most ppl would probably have enough characters to manage it, even if it's kinda scuffed.
Please, be careful with judgments. I have a pretty decent account as a low spender, play since 1.5 years and can complete abyss without any problems since after the first year of playing. But I have really hard time finishing this imaginarium theater. I managed to complete it both times with max rewards, but I had to reset so many times and couple of times had to start over. This is not an easy mode even if you have the characters: I struggle because I have the characters, but they are often badly build because I didn't have enough artifact fodder yet for all these characters!
You don’t need max stars to get the rewards if you’re just chasing primos. I’ll never judge someone having a hard time but the difficulty itself seems pretty tame
Seeing at the thumbnail at first thing would makes me depressed right now. All because of judging characters based on End game contents like; Spiral Abyss and Imaginarium Theater
@@MO-zk8qs getting the "skin" is important too. I would understand if it was just lvl up materialsike in events, but you are missing on a rare "skin" from a game that doesn't offer many of these things
Well, you build and test every single character, most of us don't even have enough character of every single element at 70, let alone decent builds for them.
Well that's the point Jello is making - you either can play it because you horizontally invested enough to meet the entry barrier, and it's easy, or you can't really play it at all
@SpaceyWay not exactly. There are 3 scenarios. 1) You have invested decently in the vast majority of the characters you have and you can beat it easily. 2) you have enough characters leveled but not built, either for lack of talents or shared artifact so you still aren't able to beat the challenge. 3) you invested in your favorites and only have a few selected strong characters. Chances are, if you have very strong characters to beat abyss you don't have enough mid characters to beat the Theater and vice versa.
well that's your choice, doesn't make this mode hard
@@maxiew it makes it not fun. If I have to chose between playing who I like and beating the abyss or,playing everybody and struggling in the abyss, then the mode is flawed. Regardless, forcing you to stop focusing on the way you wanna play to build characters you don't care about in a game where the resources are so limited and you need them in such a high quantity and where the artifacts are so random, it's just not fun.
@@gabrielecalabrese2906 not fun for you, again, your choice
Personally I tried this out at the beginning and couldn’t beat it. I had pretty much the same characters but I didn’t have Yelan, Jean, Dehya, or Mona. Instead I had Sucrose, Layla, Chongyun, Freminet, Kazuha. I think the reason I couldn’t beat it at the time was because I didn’t have enough artifacts to go around and none of their talents were leveled up, and they were all level 70. This video showed me I can do it though, if I build the characters. I managed to pull Yelan and I still have a few weeks left though so hopefully I can do it!
Could've used a support Yelan too. Just randomly friend some people and see if you get any.
Jello's mocking voice ten seconds in is fantastic. Quality content I want to see.
FR😭
Dude i think its easy too but whats with the attitude lol
True😭
I noticed the attitude too! For those of you who can play it and do well, congrats, happy for you. Now if only I had enough characters that fit the criteria to even enter hard mode....
@@kennithbob Oh I'm in the same boat too, I had to level up 4 more characters to 70, which I hated doing and I didn't even need to actually use them in IT. They should really at least remove the lv70 requirement
@@scoons123 completely agree!! and let us use less than 4 party members, especially if we can only use each member twice (which I think is rather stingy, as it often means the decent units are saved and only used for the big boss battles.)
did not find imaginarium theatre hard both times, im not a big spender nor an old player, it only took a couple of resets for finding the weakest team to clear normal battles so that my built units can show up in the main act
The only units built are my abyss teams, rest have dogshit artifacts.
If you are having trouble with IT even after resets, rng and switching stuff around then you haven't reached endgame content level yet, and its okay
it’s really not that hard, but you need to know how to use the trial characters, and have one friend with a built neuvillette. Save the trial furina and friends neuvillette along with 1 VV unit and that can easily clear the last 2 floors. You only really need to worry about the first 6
Part of the ease of this theater is that hydro is just too good. Also, your having played all of the characters helps a lot. I had some initial frustration with the last theater because I don't have Arlecchino, Clorinde, or Wanderer. So I was not only using the trial characters, but figuring out their play styles for the time.
I haven't tried the August season yet, but the July season was too difficult for me. I didn't end up being able to complete Hard Mode after several attempts. I do think it has a target audience in terms of difficulty. It is pushing me to develop my account further and to learn how to play more characters, which I believe is the goal. I think your background as someone who builds and tests every single character has given you an indelible advantage on this kind of "wide" game mode.
"everyone had yelan" not me nuh uh
You should've used Aloy to make a statement 🤣🤣
I've been artifact farming for months and still have so many characters that need more xp to level up their artifacts. I really think the reason some people are struggling more than others is because of artifact differences after watching this, because those ~50cr and ~150cd sets are definitely nowhere near the majority of my characters, and I'm someone who really enjoys horizontally investing and thought this mode would be totally easy after hearing that it was a "character check", but i have more than enough characters, just not enough artifact xp to level them all up to any decent level
(and i've been playing for 800+ days f2p.. i really think this is probably the main difference between those struggling and those not after watching this)
My 474 day f2p alt isn't really struggling to 8 star and it's an even bigger joke to my 942 day main. My alt does have 23 artifacts at 30+CV whereas my main has 45, with 11 of those at 40+CV. I've been bringing at least 5 level 70 characters on the alt as well, I have a habit of farming individual sets for each character and don't share artifacts except on rare occasion.
@@emmanuel_40 It's interesting to hear other players experience with it! I'm glad it hasn't been as much of a struggle artifact-wise, I've been farming the energy set for so long praying for a single energy sands but have been getting duped hard haha. mostly though I'm just really struggling with artifact xp, is there a faster way to get more that I'm missing or did you only level some of them? Or maybe it's because I spent so much time ascending all the characters to 80 instead of grinding for artifact xp that I've bricked my account a bit because artifacts are so important, and artifact xp is in such short supply. It's just interesting how accounts can have similar time investment but largely different performance.
This one was definitely a lot easier due to all the broken hydro units lately, i definitely think the mode needs some kind of rebalancing, just been having a lot of trouble building all these units even after playing so much haha, and I imagine that might be an issue for others as well.
You can get extra XP from the teapot or if you really want to "no life” you can farm the 1 set artifacts around the open world
@@silverborko2516 Like the other guy said, but I only do the teapot though.
Also beyond getting the correct main stat the first time I don't often roll on artifacts unless it could only have 1 or zero wasted rolls. Which means not being as concerned about CV, but about every stat on an artifact being useful. This reduces the amount of XP that can get wasted on artifacts in your early game.
Another thing is that you're not required to run 4p or even 2p, especially when starting out, and you can just w/e best artifacts you have.
i actually don't have a yelan
Realistically I think it is tricky for casuals (like myself) who just simply don't put enough time into building that amount of characters. If all built pretty well it should be easy regardless of what characters you bring, but for me who only has about three or so teams built to a point I am satisfied with I can beat the hard mode yet.
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This months theater I was hard carried by a friend's Neuvillette. Being new like 70% of my roster to qualify for normal was lv60 barely built so vigor rationing was rough. Thank you to whoever our there built an amazing Neuvillette hahaha
The other part with this mode is that you don’t even need the 8* in the mode. You can clear with longer clear time if you’re only chasing primos. My suggestion is just getting characters to 70/70 no talents and building them with hp, 200% ER, and fav/supporting weapons. I built my kaeya and Layla to only 70 just for the cryo application which enables my characters like yelan and xingqui to freeze lock opponents. As much as people complain it’s too easy, I find the replayability more fun because each run is dynamic enough and I can make bad choices like not picking character cards and try to make it to the end which depending which characters you do get can be interesting. Also I’m not too happy with replayability of current abyss. It’s super annoying with the pyro shields I can’t even try too different of teams because of the necessity of hydro application on the 2nd half. Only teams I’ve gotten to do well is teams where I’m using furina, yelan, sigewinne and +1 or I’m using a triple hydro nilou bloom with xingqui / nahida / sigewinne / nilou (I don’t have kokomi).
cant wait till someone says qiqi's weapon made a difference LOL
I really like your videos. And i also think that the game mode is a bit too easy. But if a game is your job. You have every 4 star c6. You have the money to refresh your resin. CCs will never be relatable to the common player.
Do I have to do another challenge lol
@@JelloImpact c0 4 star challenge would be interesting but it'd be rare to find an account you could use for that
I think that’s how it comes across
The video makes a great point especially with your conclusions at the end regarding how this is basically not “for” anyone and is disappointing as “end content” when at most it’s basically a character check rather than worthwhile as a gameplay mode
However…an easy improvement for clarity: just make a disclaimer saying this is all C6 instead of pretending this is relatable or achievable for a vast amount of players who likely at most have C0-C4, with only a few characters maxed out
The video still shows some potential and I’m sure the game mode is not impossible with characters regardless if they’re fully built or not but the way this argument is presented is just not accurate and a tad disingenuous
how about viewer handholds to get a full experience of what it really feels like to play with regular accounts.
@@JelloImpact Use mostly-scuffed artifacts, unlearn how to play half the characters, and pick 3-4 characters at random that you "don't like" and remove them from the pool. That's prolly pretty close to the average player. It's hard to put yourself in the shoes of the "average player" because of how much you play the game. Not saying this "endgame mode" isn't easy tho, I agree with you there
as someone with a krillion different 5*s with virtually no vertical investment, imaginarium is like a dream come true for me! Though I’m sure I’ll eat my words when the Geo cycle comes around lol
i'm doomed if we get a dendro geo one.
@@Leon-yg5gm I think it's kind of same to assume they won't mix the ones with no reaction that much, they put anemo twice. And it sounds jarring to get Dendro, Anemo, Geo IT xD
@@MCHR92 They could just make the enemies reactive to those non reactable elements, basically enemies that have innate elemental aura, or enemies that take more damage from specific elements, though only thing I can think of are rifthounds🎉.
If you don't mind surprises/leaks, next cycle will have dendro hydro pyro while the oct one will have geo pyro electro
as a late game player with a lot of characters, and the joy is playing ALL my characters. taking them off the bench and trying to build teams and hoping i get good cards. that said, you did roast my builds a little. it's that stupid timer. I got lucky that i have a lot of hydro and cryo for this round
I completed both theatres so far on normal mode because I didn’t have enough characters, it was very easy but I have to spend so much resin to get 18 lvl 70 characters in specific elements with artifacts and weapons
I think there's two aspects that makes this mode either difficult or not that you're not considering Jello, and it's not just how well your characters are built. I agree that this is an end game mode, so having to actually build enough characters properly is not an unreasonable expectation, it's actually what I enjoy most about the mode, a reward to horizontal investment. But just building a bunch of characters and never using them does not mean you will automatically be able to use them properly when it comes to making unorthodox teams with what you have available during the theatre and the team rotations. I never use characters like Xiao and Faruzan, so trying to use their trial characters I don't really have a good grasp on their rotations and find myself running into energy issues and not having their bursts up. So as someone who has literally built and TESTED every character, you have a skill set with a much wider range of characters than the average player will have, including myself who has played for around 3 years now.
The second and major aspect to where I think players are having the most difficulty is in the enemy challenges they are choosing. Some of the enemy challenges are drastically easier than others. For example, I was doing the tower defense in this current theatre (cryo, hydro, anemo). I was using my very well invested Neuvillette, with signature weapon and triple crowned, and kazuha, and I could not for the life of me beat the hilichurl tower defense. The enemies were too spread apart so both kazuha and neuvillete still did not have the range to group enemies and kill them fast enough as the hilichurls were almost all ranged and of course solely focus on the tower, not the player. Even with my cracked team and several attempts, my towers health kept running out. I did a reset, and tried another tower defense with single ruin guard at a time and it's an absolute joke! So for players who are having a ton of difficulty beating the theatre, I can almost guarantee you it's because some challenges are very easy while others are near unbeatable.
I do want to add though that I'm perfectly fine with them adding an even harder difficulty for whales and hardcore players, but for me I'm actually happy with the current difficulty of Hard mode. It's more a challenge of team building and preserving characters until you really need to use them.
what i think makes theatre hard is not the enemies but that you need alot of characters, alot of ok characters instead of a few good ones like abyss.
and how random the characters and teams are. also the trial characters suck, i had to use xiao, faruzan, xianyun and kazuha and xiao still didnt have enough energy.
the teams are so random and awful sometimes, i used alhaitham, bennet, xiangling and fischl and on another team i used ayaka, dehya, nahida and xing qiu bc i didnt have any other characters
As someone who did struggle a bit with the theaters. I agree that its not to hard if you have characters built. Plus im pretty sure that alot of people at least have 1or2 limited hydro characters since Hydro is universally considered the best element. plus alot of people should have Kazuha or atleast Sucrose. Sucrose with thrilling tales and vv shouldn't be underestimated as a buffer lol. Some Veteran players might even have a Ganyu or Ayato collecting dust. Both of which would help out alot here. Despite not having cracked artifacts, no kazuha or Neuvilett ( i butchered his name lol ) i managed to clear with my Childe , Yelan, Ganyu, trial Ayaka/Furina and friends Kazuha because alot of people have kazuha ( except me 😂). The remaining units were all lv 70 4* with terrible artifacts and lv 5~talents. My child, Yelan and Ganyu have good builds though since ive been using them for over 3 years.
As a 2 month old f2p account I had no trouble 8 star'ing last rotation, and should have no issues 8 star'ing this rotation once I have enough characters to even enter hard-mode, BUT... being forced to spend all your resin endlessly farming leylines for xp books and bosses for mats to level a bunch of trash characters up to 70 has to be the absolute worst design for any game mode. It's such a dumb check.
You use these naked level 70s as filler and then never swap to them during the run, and it just reminds me how annoying it is to have to spend all my waking resin and resources on these characters that I never even end up using.
I struggled through scuffed teams in the beginning just to save everyone for the end and instaclear the later stages lol
how yall find it very easy with characters with no artifacts
I play for over 2 years and can't do normal difficulty, I just can't get some of these stars, even when all characters have 12+ level artifacts and good weapons etc., I even did easy difficult to get the 3rd star, and I'm stuck now on another one (not boss) because I can't get star because I need few more seconds
also I use very good and good built characters and still can't get star
idk, prob because I'm ar 45 at purpose so my maximum level is 80
That twist at the end 😭
How long have you been ar 45, and WHY? Is it some sort of challenge??
@@FineUser I was on my first region ar 35 for some time to prepare before ar 45, and when I moved to another server I desided to do that again, and I liked being ar 35 on purpose, later someone forced me to become ar 45 and I got burnout after that, and I don't want to level it up anymore unless main story will require it
I'm ar 45 on the second region (main region) for slightly more than 1.5 years now
I find imaginarium theater impossible and very unenjoyable mainly because of the input lag. I don't know if other people experience it but all the characters move around and use their skills so slowly, it doesn't feel snappy like in the overworld or the abyss.
Finally cleared this after 3 tries. It was honestly fun and challenging, I won most of my fights with less than 5 secs to spare.
Also i didn't know I could borrow characters (although I have no friends anyway)
completely missed a few factors that u take for granted. Things like using lynette to battery xaio so xaio actually is usable. Missing that TINY detail makes the xaio teams completely terrible. Another tiny detail u completely overlook is choosing enemies and how terrible some enemies are to fight with a time limit. Also some grossly underestimated gameplay on the first boss. Your rotations and timing ayaka's ult are close to perfect gameplay. And again choosing just the perfect 3 other teammates seems obvious but switch out 1 character and the team would NEVER clear that boss or his shield. One missed shield break and that boss becomes 50% harder and would never be cleared in time. Tiny details make the 30 second differences needed for each stage. And there are so many stages and so many mistakes to be made. So you made very high level choices and downplayed their difficulty because of your extremely extensive knowledge of the game. After hundreds of hours of team building and team rotations you can't downplay the nuance and difficulty.
I agree with you here. Using Xiao and again was painful for me even 3 years into genshin. I don't have the hang of those 2. Plus my last round of having no ranged units and the one before last consecrated beasts with no healing or shielding... ugh lol. Its a matter of planning ahead on top of everything else. Plus the luck of playing perfectly like you said.
@@sarahelizabeth5276 planning ahead. exactly.
Jello, I love your content but I think you missed the mark tonewise on this one. I trust you were trying to be encouraging and silly, but unfortunately it just came across a bit smug and mocking. Keep in mind you are talking to a lot of people who are frustrated with the barrier to entry as well as lackluster gameplay. While I agree people can be overly sensitive and give up too easily, the people watching your content often are just looking for a bit of advice on a fun side hobby. They'd much rather a place to feel their annoyances are heard and find ways to overcome what they find to be difficult content than to hear someone harp on their failings.
I have the same problem with Imaginarium Theater as I do with Abyss, I've played since launch and have decently built characters, but I struggle so much. Never ever 36* the Abyss. Also didn't get all the stars in Imaginarium Theater this time. I'm both impressed and very frustrated that everyone keeps saying that it's "a joke" because it just isn't for me. You are just really good at the game in general. Everyone saying it should be harder will just turn this into Abyss 2.0 and that really just ruins the whole thing for everyone who isn't as good as you are. I might just be frustrated with my own inability here, but I can't be the only one, right?
no jello, not everybody has yelan. some of us simply don't like her. anyway this mode isn't hard, it's just super boring. hopefully they improve on it soon.
Qiqi? Haven't seen her yet. Yelan and Kazuha? Skipped twice. 😂
ngl i was stuck on one of the floors boss (say its skill issue or whatever) but until i ended up changing team and borrowing one of my friends neuvillette where i ended up clearing the floor effortlessly, i legit could not beat it
I have a lot of "friends", yet I cannot borrow any characters from them - is there any pre-requisite for that? IT is NOT a "joke", it requires knowledge of how to play characters you do not have or do not want to play usually, it requires the knowledge of what characters to save for which phase (and not knowing it is annoying), and knowing how to play unoptimal teams.
Your friends themselves need to enter the mode and set a list of characters to be borrowable
@@junkmaniac7200 Thanks, so quite few people know that I am affraid :(
I was able to do hard mode today after building Tighnari! It wasn't super easy since I accidentally used all my healers at the very beginning and had to switch Furina to healer mode in the later stages, but I cleared Act 8!
I went into this IT blind and with very few cryo DPS built not thinking to select any friends stuff, only Ganyu. It was rough... My account can do it but just because its easy doesn't mean i can make noblesse Mona or EM Barbara carry anything
have fun moving back all the artifacts LMAO
I started playing genshin 1.5 years ago, this mode just made me loose exp, mora and resin to level up 3 characters to 70 just to attempt it.
I absolutely hate it, because it's easy, it takes a lot of time and it takes resources, but i also hate missing on primos.
You build and test every charcter try that with my lvl 70 no talents no artifcats no weapons charcters 😂
The thing with this mode is that if you can use characters you like and have built (as AR 60, I have a lot of characters of every element built) its jokingly easy mostly, but you also playing some half-baked team, so your performance is still not very satisfying to you. And if you are using just trial characters with some occasional free characters it's just not fun, still doable but far from you enjoying what you are doing. And if you are low ar, only build what you like, you just can't enter fully until you have a lot of lvl 70's which still takes a lot of recources and collecting materials from rare mobs, specialties, etc. And it's not like you need all of them, you just CAN'T ENTER TRIAL. This is the worst game design possible. It feels like a horde, you just do it once a month and forget about it. This game will never have good endgame, let's face it.
This is the most disrespectful genshin video I have ever seen. He is literally just making fun of people who don't play the game every day but just hop on a 2/3 times per week and saying they have skill issue. Like bruh sorry that we go outside or something (I don't even know anymore)
I mean ... clearing was never the problem. Once you get in, the mode is piss easy. The "getting in" is the problem. Newer players, or even long term players with accounts focused on vertical progression can't even start the bloody thing, because of the amount of units required.
My first run struggled because i had the genius idea to do the monolith with 40 enemies with Eula 🤣. After I reset the run i was able to clear pretty easily
15:47 i just got reminded my furina has been level 80 not ascended for months ups 😅
Imagine doing imaginary theatre with 4 stars only but the elements are dendro,geo,hydro ( there are only 3 hydro 4 stars) 😂
I love this gamemode still, none of the characters I've built are weak, i invest a lot into my 4-Star supports, my healers can heal, my buffers buff. I don't have Yelan but I do have a cracked Xingqiu and a semi-abandoned Sucrose, i love messing around with teams. Like, Abyss would not make appreciate how well i built my Kaeya and Mika, but this one did. I hope they improve on this more.
getting the stars is mildly difficult, but just getting all the primos is significantly easier than getting all the primos in abyss, even half built characters do okay since the power scaling of the enemies is way lower
The only hard thing about Imaginarium Theater is literally having to build many Characters. And by time that will be possible
Even if Imaginarium theater is easy, jello is quite goated.
Super relatable with C6R5 4stars w/ cracked relics, I'm sure everyone has a full roster of just about every character with that right? What's the problem guys? Guys?
I'm pretty sure Jello could clear with a lot of accounts that the owners are struggling with. Yes, he's using C6 four stars, but he's also not using any featured five star (except Yelan).
That said, is it realistic? I'd say no. The reason why? The nature of Jello's channel. He builds every character and tests them. He has connections with theorycrafters. So he has a lot of knowledge of characters and how to use them. He has knowledge of what enemies do and how to counteract them (because playing this game is his livelihood). And your typical player won't be able to match that. That type of knowledge matters for the Abyss, but it matters far more here, with the RNG, element restrictions, and vigor. It's not a very casual friendly mode, in a lot of ways.
meanwhile, i started in 4.7, so I still dont even have those he tested with XD. How many more patches do y'all think it's gonna b before I can clear it too? (while being F2P)
i started in january i play daily and still am unable to get to hard mode
and i am not free 2 play 😵💫
so at least a year 🤩
@@katebrad9633omg😅 send help hahaha
I just want this to be actually fun hoyo please
Why would you absolutely kill a Mickey Mouse impression
0:02 LMAO I love when content creators do their own "viewer complaining" impression
I saw someone comment " Oh my god I finally beat it. I was sweating and shaking" on Eakes 4* IT run. I assume they're a newer player. It's kinda funny but also sad because I never experience that anymore in Genshin.
if youre new and broke
you aint beating nothin thats just how it is
Not really true. IT is even a joke on my f2p account which was 2 months old when I 8 star'd the first rotation and 3 months old 8 star this rotation.
The only hard part is having the patience to farm all of the bosses and leylines for xp books just to level a crapload of trash characters that you have no interest in playing anywhere outside of Theatre. It's such a drain on resin for a new player. I've been farming nothing but bosses and leylines for the past month and a half. Of course, it's a 1-time investment so when future rotations come I get to use them all again, but it's still annoying. I'd rather be farming artifacts to try and build out my core teams better, but the primos from the IT are easy to get and every rotation I skip is just leaving rewards on the table since I'm going to have to eventually build characters to 70 for this game mode, might as well be now.
@@Wix_RSL yea but how 18 characters when acc 2 months old?
@@darkotheeverything3860 Each banner rotation has 3x 4 star and 2 limited 5 star. I've been playing 3 months. Started during Wanderer / Baizhu banner, so that's what like 5 different banner rotations, so that's potentially 10 limited 5 stars and 15 4 stars, plus the champs you get from standard banner, plus free champs like kirara / collei / paimon's shop etc.
The worst part is I've had to spend the last month and a half doing nothing but farming exp leylines and bosses for materials to level characters I don't care about and will never use outside of IT.
You keep saying "relatable" but honestly I don't know if it's actually relatable to get to endgame with such a trash selection of characters. Unless you're a full f2p player who has also focused entirely on vertical investment in a handful of characters who aren't hydro/cryo/anemo or something.
I enjoy imaginarium theater but it feels a bit insubstantial because unless you're rerunning it for funsies it's literally like 10 minutes a month.
Jello One Thing You Need To Understand Actually:
Whatever you did in this video, you had descent crit ratio on your all used characters, I am sure you refresh resin to built your characters...
but F2P don't refresh resin , they don't have enough artifact to use on their all characters, even if they have artifact, their stats are so trash, having good descent artifact stats for all the characters is quite hard for F2P.....
That's why they unable to clear this ...
Then it sounds like those f2p need to start farming more artifacts 🤣. You don't need to refresh to get enough usable artifacts.
@@donnyv4750 Really brother, It seems You are quite Lucky on RNG Artifact Rolls, that you can manage to get So Much good Artifact for All of your needed 18 Character's.... that's good ..
I already collect 8 Star's and 36 Star's in spiral abyss it's like piece of cake for me .... But when I try on my girlfriend account....
Then I realised the problem
@@SlimeImpact. Okay I see the confusion. I don't have 4pc sets on every single character, but you don't need everyone to be fully geared out. Unless you are running them as a main DPS Kokomi/Rosaria/sucrose/etc don't need to have maxed out 4pc sets, talents, or levels.
And I only have average luck when it comes to artifacts, I am able to have a good amount of usable artifacts simply of using my resin efficiently.
I used Sucrose C2 for defense, just fill her with ER, you'll always have the option of small enemies, in that scenario she's probably better than Kazuha and just as good as Venti.
I’ve been waiting for this video 💪🏼
This mode doesn't just encourage team building, it encourages team practice. I'm not quite at the level to ace this, but I have 20+ characters at or just above level 70 with decent weapons and artifacts, so clearing it is just a matter of time. From nearly the beginning of my year-old account, I built it as though I were prepping for a 10-team abyss (now 15) as the ultimate endgame, with teams planned months in advance based on content creator advise. Not relying on the same characters to carry each team (looking at you, Furina and Bennett) helps you to learn the game and make the most of each character.
The first theatre was hard for sure. The current one I beat it in one go because hydro characters are over power
I don't have any cryo DPS characters on my roster and I was able to beat the imaginarium too. Getting the primos is easy, the hard part is getting stars but its not like it matters, stars do NOTHING.
The high investment is what makes this easy. Having perfect artifacts that you get by soending money refilling resin and such, as well as having C6 makes it even more of a cake walk.
Then there's me, an old player who felt the pain of you not snapshotting fanfare on Kaeya's ult (basically, ulting on him a bit later, when you have max fanfare, because his ult snapshots buffs, as far as I know - a kaeya main here) and not knowing which of the ruin enemies can be shot down immediately, but I had a harder time clearing this rotation somehow and only got 6 stars 😅 with op characters 😂😂😂
As someone with 5 Hydro 5*s and a Shenhe, this IT season was the best I could hope for
Against the multiple freeze weak beasts, i used wanderer, yelan, dehya, and nahida... it actually was better than the freeze teams i tried
Ayoooooooo wtf
I just noticed
The monolith round. I thought in order to obtain star in that round HP should be above 15%
Dafuqqqqq and I played that round like 5-6 times just to get the star only to find out that objective just give 30 flowers😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I Am At 4:47 , So Before Start Watching Properly, i wanna say....this game mode is easy to clear with weakest characters...
the only place People Suffer is #Accumulating The Stars...that's all.
hey jello, so i not a "commentor" type of person but ive been subscribed to your channel for quite some time and your contents are very enjoy full so thank you.
Hey jello, can you make a video on the best characters to build pre Natlan. To get ready for the new region and possible new meta?
i'm so pissed that i can't even do the hard mode because i don't have enough leveled characters after playing for over a year like is it really my fault there are no hydro four stars and that i don't feel a need to build cryo characters?!
I dont understand why people think that you have to have fully build a lot of characters. Leveling a character to lv70 and upgrading 1 of their talents is pretty easy. And you dont need top tier artifacts, the enemies are easy enough. The only bad aspect would be if you dont have the units even if you wanted to buuld them
-Picked Nahida, a limited 5 star
-Used a weapon banner only sword on Traveler
-Got an external audiance buff
-5 star limited sword on qiqi
Totally rigged, this is not relatable
Jokes aside, gg ! It seems you are too good at the game XD
Plus the deathmatch on (trial) Xiao, how dare he?
The off-element characters do not have trials. You either use a friend character or must already have them and at least L70/70.
Correct that’s why I never used nahida
Man, the fact that they added this shit gamemode and now we can be stuck with the same abyss for two months
Why would they do that, they are gonna have to change it every month alot of the times anyways
Why didnt they just commit to making a new abyzs every month
The 4.8 abyss is coming out After the navia yelan banner is already over, makes no sense
All Trial characters have 146% CV artifacts.
its defo not hard and this is coming from someone who doesnt even know what half the units do, its either easy or impossible if you dont have enough characters raised
Easy or impossible is kinda hard category, ill take a possible hard try gamemode any day
Ya'll are missing the point: to get anyone and everyone to spend more money.... buying and building more characters.
Ascension quest needs 4 or more fully built characters. Spiral Abyss needs 8 or more fully built characters. Imaginarium Theater needs 16 or more fully built characters. Seeing a trend forming!?
I just have trouble building enough characters.
Yeah, "if you build your characters", it's a joke. For the hard mode, you need at least 11 sets of artifacts, 11 leveled up weapons and 11 built characters of your own. From three chosen elements. So you should multiply the number of characters needed by about two, giving you 22 characters to have ready for the mode.
Personally, I built all my characters. That took me two years. So I guess to have enough characters built for the hard mode, you need to spend about a year playing the game. After you collect enough character for each triplet of elements, yeah it's not hard.
Imaginarium theater is Genshin endgame but you need to realize that Genshin endgame starts when you reach AR55. By that time you have access to everything. Also by the time when they get there, many players don't even have enough characters built to cover Easy mode of the Theater. So this mode gives them something to do for quite a while.
If you have all 4 stars high cons you might as well have a lot 5 stars which defeats the purpose and you need hell lot of 4 stars as well so its just use whatever you have
I'ma be honest this video is a bit *disingenuous* and doesn't help in any way like its cool to watch a 4 star only clear for imaginarium theater (you should check out eakes on youtube) but this isn't something you can just generalize to the playerbase with the title of the video
Mans has every character in the game built its not surprising he can beat it plus C6 4 stars it would've been more interesting on accounts that don't have this level of investment (Artifacts Included) and was struggling with imaginarium theater because there is a lot of people complaining its hard for them because they only focus 2 teams for abyss like don't forget how CCs advertised playing for who you like but also only working for 2 teams for the abyss since it was the only endgame we had
There is a lot of people that are affected by this as a result and I'm surprised how many others don't realize that the play for who you like may not be applicable for imaginarium theater as that gamemode can be very account dependent
Its tough to generalize this if you end up not liking certain units that are 5 star or 4 star so you never build them if you have them which there are accounts out there like that so imaginarium theater highlights that problem pretty harshly
If I have anything else I would say I'd say this problem with imaginarium theater also highlights the resin problem in the game because believe it or not 200 resin isn't enough and even if the refresh rate were to improve it still wouldn't be enough because of how much resin it takes to level a character up, level their talents, grind weekly bosses (this shouldn't cost resin in my opinion since you can only claim the reward once a week with RNG involved), level your weapons, grind artifacts, grind mora and EXP Book leylines, and having to wait certain days to farm talents or level weapon materials is pretty bad and needs to change too
Rewards for almost everything in the game needs to be improved to some extent (overworld enemy drop rates included) to make this gamemode feel better for the game which this can be fixed with a new world level if they ever do it
I'd like to mention this gamemode isn't hard for me as a 3 and a half year old veteran player and I enjoy playing imaginarium theater but players that have played for over 1 year can still find themselves having problems being able to clear imaginarium theater easily depending on the account
P.S despite this comment (I'm a lurker who doesn't comment much) being a bit critical I still enjoyed the video ❤
Jello on the bulk