What if you DON'T build CRIT in Genshin?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- I spent three weeks farming artifacts WITHOUT any crit to use on Arlecchino, because I thought it would be interesting to see how much worse a build with a ton of crit would be. Will I even be able to 36 star with some of the worst artifacts possible?
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EM dendro players: Yes, you can. 🗿
Haha yep of course, though I didnt want this video to be just using teams where the damage is dealt primarily through non crit based damage (transformative reactions).
I wanted to specifically do no crit on a character that normally really wants to crit to fully utilize them, and I think Arlecchino was probably one of the best units at showing that! I was a bit worried people would think thats all I was going to do by the title, though (it can be weirdly hard to make a simple title representing the concept of the video that couldnt be misunderstood as being something else, hence why I used the thumbnail with Arles equipped artifacts to provide the additional info needed to establish the premise here)
@@Solunerra I know, it was a joke, also loved the video and how you managed to show you don't always need a crit build for it to work.
@@SolunerraI'm not reading all that. someone plez give me a short version😥
@@waifuslayer69creator of the video wanted to not use teams that rely on reactions and don't need crit and thought that arle was very good for showing that since she usually needs crit. Was a bit worried people would think that's all he does because of the title so he put that thumbnail as arles equipped artifacts
@@waifuslayer69tried to shorten it 😭
He learned how Childe mains play the game
Mine has 90 crit rate and 70 crit dmg
@@modymole1740
If it’s not guaranteed, it’s 0%.
no because I swear his ult never crits when I want it to. I had to repeat a showcase THREE TIMES because he refused to crit, even though with food buffs he had like 80% crit rate
Eula mains
Idk what's wrong with you guys's childe, but mine does crit pretty often. It could be that your childe does not have enough EM for big pp dmg
Soluna: “What if you don’t build crit in Genshin?”
Kokomi mains: “What’s crit?”
The -100% crit rate passive is infecting other characters oh no!
@@Solunerra It would actually be cool if they made more characters who didn’t scale off crit (and not just transformative reactions).
@@ulrikruby The most backward thing ever and I want it so badly.
@@ulrikruby The artifact substats rng are rigged and biased to base ATK, DEF, and HP which is alot worse than their percentage counterpart.
@@ulrikruby I made -3.9% kokomi so if I get 20+ crit then...
only 1 min to the video and i just KNEW that this video gonna called me skill issue in 90 different ways
Haha at least I had plenty of skill issues myself in the second half team
Luck issue, there are no skill issues in this game because u don't need skill
Unless you're someone who pulls for albedo or yae miko instead of furina
So nice to see Sethos gameplay even if he wasn't the main focus
Fr I wanna play him now
seeing ppl playing sethos makes me so happy bc hes fun to both watch and play yourself. this lil guy might be THE release of the year to me
Yeah I really like how they designed his kit (though I played him terribly this video lol)
I really want him but im saving, hope they give him as a free 4 star at some point
This also goes to show how we genshin players exaggerate about cv and builds
Fr, i was playing my Navia with 50 cr and she's hit massive numbers all crits😭?
So true, although he somehow did more dmg with her even though I have her signature 😂
@@ahmdmoadiYou have a scythe, that's more than me.
Haha yep, this Arle team gets enough dmg relevant stats from non crit sources that I thought it would be able to show this, but still was better than I expected!
@@frankoceanstanaccount7126I'm not being salty but your crit rate doesn't give you more dmg, it's just state how frequently you will crit, and if it is crit dmg, aim for 150 (which is very low bcz she ascends CD) and its enough, she does indeed very good dmg with low to none investment besides level of talents and caracter
Maybe Crit was the friends we made along the way
I love how you're breaking the "Norms" in genshin it's really interesting to watch
This was so much better than I thought it would be at the start lol. TL;DR is don't undervalue non-crit circlets, and non crit weapons.
Oh, I was thinking about how the Deathmatch build I used at the end seemed very similar to the no crit build, I think there was a funny thing happening there wherein one of the odd benefits of a build that basically never crits is that it performs _very_ consistently. And consistently performing teams can feel very good. Whereas as soon as I put Deathmatch and the CDMG circlet on Arle, sure it had higher avg dmg, but especially with only 44% crit rate it brought a layer of RNG to the team that makes it end up being inconsistent enough that it barely feels like an improvement in practice. A lot of atk% (and some EM) had to be sacrificed in favor of the crit after all, but crit is a stat that does NOTHING when you don't crit. So I think another interesting takeaway of the video is that the lower investment your build is, the more value other stats have for the consistency of your dmg output relative to crit. And there is also the factor of how atk% has higher relative value w/o Bennett buff being active too!
Also, this is a minor mistake (imo), but I forgot to mention during the video that Furina is C2, which definitely makes a difference in the Sethos/Furina/Fish/Sige team. But as I showed, second half could've used a much stronger team in general for the 2nd/3rd chamber especially, AND I played it quite poorly. Which is to say that Furina C2 wasn't necessary there--it just made my skill issue and team choice not be a problem as much, despite doing no crit Arlecchino on the 1st half. Even with C2 Furina I thought it was going to be much harder than it was to clear lol. So hopefully nobody cares about that, but if you do I just ask you to keep in mind that it would've been much better for me to just use Neuvilette. But frick that.
Boy even with this challenge your builds are still better than mine💀😭
Thanks for considering my chat msg lol, if it wasn't me then a huge shout out to who did as well 👌😝
@@ahmdmoadi variations of this video idea were something Ive wanted to do for a while, so I wouldnt say it came from any one source specifically, but ty for the reminders to help me actually watch for the artifacts needed to make this video lol. That was actually the main hurdle: overcoming habits of throwing away bad artifacts and spending resources leveling "useless" pieces for it
at this point idk what i’m doing wrong😭
If your stats aren't wrong, the support units are likely lacking. You could share UID if you want me or anyone to check what might be off.
Have you remembered to level up your talents? Lots of people forget to do so and only farm artifacts.
the way non crit arlechino does more dmg than my neuvillette
However neuv has better aoe, and is almost unkillable with his healing
dude mine c0 level 80 nuvi does 100% more damage than her
his is c6, I'm pretty sure
@@thiccychiccy1157 the one in this video seems to be c0 or c1, you can tell because the E mark on the enemies doesn't automatically become tier 2 when applied
it's only on his polearm account that he has c6, I believe
c1
bloom and hyperbloom teams:
😅
c2 nahida: that aint gonna happen, we crittin no matter what
man i cant wait to do this with my alhaitham
Yeah I think Haitham is another unit this idea could work suprisingly well on!
Better question what If you dont build er? Answer is very simple you suffer way more than without crit
Yeah ER is the most important stat in the game after all!
ARLECCHINO DONT VAPE ITS BAD FOR U
ITS ALSO BAD FOR THE ENEMIES EXISTENCE
it should be noted when farming artifacts, you first strive to make your characters usable before they are critable. it is better to level your character and their talents up first before starting to farm artifacts. even when you start farming, farm for the main stats before the substats. it is so much more efficient this way
Only works for newbies. Not that I care if I get artifacts first or level up the character, either way I'll only go into the abyss with him after doing both. You need only all at once anyways so there is no efficient way. It's not really important for the world when you have at least one character with at least just main stat artifacts without set. I always can just put stat artifacts without set to make my char usable while farming set. You always will have some usable stat artifacts from glad or wanderer's troupe. Talents, by the way, require materials from weekly bosses, so there's no rush to level up them, unless you already have enough materials (but that's not for newbies).
I always appreciated raw attack from my 4200 atk Shenhe, the reason I save so many atk goblets and circlets now.
But you could always use 1 more attack! /j
This video was really insightful! I really agree with how you think people over prioritize crit stats!
im trying to think of a funny comment or smtn but this is just so unexpected 😭
I kitted initially my arlecchino with 93 CR 157 CD because I just didn’t want to do a none crit. But with sheer luck I managed to end up with a result of 77 CR and 206 CD and now I am happy :)
Kokomi: no crit? no problem.
as a bloom and taser player I'd say yes you can
Break effect Arlechino
"Can I 36-star using Kokomi"
Seeing 5-digit non-crit damage numbers are actually therapeutic
I'd like to see this challenge with other dpses too. This video really is more of a statement on the brokeness of alrecchino than a statement on the unnecessary focus of crit.
For chamber 3 you can just setup during the green construct phase. The auto targetting can be a bit cringe but you still get particle. And vape arlechino setup are generally a bit long so asimon revealed themselves once you done with your setup.
This really went better than i expected lmao
Yeah I setup a bit slowly in the first bit but I think I had at least one rotation where I setup more properly
doing this challange is near impossible with other weaker 5 star dps characters. It would be more impressive if it was underrated 5 star character.
Your videos are really nice to watch , they feel very cozy and you are super nice and calm (compared to other people who do videos about this game 😭)
Anf I really appreciate the tips you give while playing it's super helpful
I love your videos! It was fun seeing how undervalued other stats might actually be
I was also really interested in your Sethos team. I'd love it if you'd make more videos on Sethos!
Honestly my takeaway from this is that there is a decently large amount of power in Atk (buffed by Bennet), Elemental Dmg Bonus (buffed by Kazu) and elemental reactions like vape (enabled by Candace). [Edit to add: Also shows that Arlecchino herself is a strong carry with great talent multipliers on her attacks.]
Is crit still very, very, important? Yes. Is a roll into crit usually more dmg than a roll into other stats? Typically yes, but part of that is because strong buffers can buff your Atk, EM, and Dmg% to high enough levels so you have enough of those stats and are free to focus on crit with your artifacts.
This would be a valuable series for new players if you showcased teams with more moderate crit values. I think there’s a stigma among the community that a piece with less than 35-40 CV is trash. Being able to clear abyss with only mainstat crit and solid teams/gameplay is something that needs more attention
funnily enough just a few days ago I was looking at her motion values and multipliers and saw that she can do around 5,800% in 15s with her signature, altho a bit lower without the signature and I was wondering if she could clear with 5% crit rate and just now you come and post this lol!
I think even with C0 she could get close clear times with some more resets and enemy AI manipulation, tho she could definitely leave enough time for second half double hydro team without sigewinne xD
Video Tldr: Pull for constellations to make non crits work. Imo Arle is among really bad examples, I have tried same thing with Neuvilette, Lyney and Emilie and the flat damage multipliers/flat damage multiplier trigger time increase from cons help a lot in having those under 90s clear on one half (in Arle case it’s C1 and C2, you can even argue C6 cause one occasional crit saves 1-2s in her run).
Your Cyno team on the second half seems like it’s not the team options, but rather how you execute the combos. Probably just me but it seems that Candace burst is not up often during your Cyno’s burst (which is very important for second half this abyss reset).
BRO I ACTUALLY HAD THIS IDEA LIKE TWO YEARS AGO IM SO HAPPY SOMEONE DID IT
This is a very interesting concept, now im curious how a neuvilette will perform on only hp artifacts, not even the maruchusette set, or how raiden shogun will perform with only atk
I had my Neuvillette on Wanderer's troupe with focus on hp% until basically 2 weeks ago. He did respectable dmg ~4.7k-5.3k unbuffed per tick and crits could be as high as 20k but that was only once per charged attack if I was lucky 😂
Yeah I think Neuvi would work pretty decently doing this, though he is balanced somewhat around having the free crit from MH, but I think in the right team he wont have much of an issue!
I'm so happy to see someone else using Sethos! He's so underappreciated imo
“Arlecchino is vaping”
Next challenge: clear with 4 star artifacts (or 3 stars if you like pain)
I do intend to do this eventually (but on all 8 characters and farming 4 star pieces is weird and hard to force myself to break habits to do lol)
@@Solunerra really have to be careful checking double CRIT 4 stars. I hope you luck
After watching someone who cleared everything only with Amber on the other half Barbara freeze Bloom I thought I would never see something more crazy
Hearing you talk about this idea on stream and then actually make the video has been surreal lol. I don’t know what I was expecting with it.
Same lol
It sometimes feel that a stream and a video are made by two different people.
Lol I swear my brain goes into a different operational mode when streaming vs recording.
this video just shows the importance of having atk for those times you dont crit
Le me with 70/210 build clearing anout the same time as ur non crit ☠️ .Also hats to your efforts to even try this (while we struggle to do it normally only )
your no crit challenge is the whole build I have for her 😂😂💔
To group the two dudes who waddle on the first chamber, I have found that running to the opposite end of the chamber near the wall can help group them by cornering them because they will run to you and you know the next enemies spawn around there. Idk if it’s optimal for time saving but it’s way more consistent for killing both of them around the same time
Yeah back when this abyss first started I kinda got the feeling that positioning yourself better (notably more near the middle for that chamber since the new wave spawns the opposite sidd of the waddlers) was the key most of the time. Whether or not it’s worthwhile to go the wall or not I think just may depend on the teams you are using to an extent though, for sure. Its a weird chamber to optimize overall, but actually one I enjoy a lot for testing teams in (but its just rude with what the second chamber is lol)
Dude's just roasting is at this point 😔
This video still scares me
Worst part of no crit is no fav! Love the team choice, not going with dendro easy out.
he does the same damage that my arle does with crits 😿
There's no issue with the dorito on Arlecchino teams, all you have to do is fast rotations, so ur uptime is when he is visible, and about to go invisible, then, save some secs and some pact for his pillars, then you start rotation again before he is visible again.
i just returned to genshin after like a year and half, and this arlecchino girl deals more dmg non crit than my 70-220crit ratio childe ToT
The reason crit is usually so important in the substats is because every other substat can be arranged from supports, but crit can't
Take keqing, play nahida sucrose boom 450 em no sweat
Take xiangling in national, instructor bennet+ sucrose gives 300 em, Bennet gives 1k attack, then there's noblese on xingqiu and then ttds from sucrose
So in that team, if you go atk or em sands on xiangling, and doing so sacrifices crit cuz you need ER, you are throwing. Cuz none of those stats are as needed as crit
And there are so many more examples. Any carry with Bennet basically has enough atk after atk sands. Any em scaler is usually good after em sands plus nahida
I guess the only exception would be hp scalers
Yep, crit is the priority artifact stat because of artifacts being the main way to get it. But just because its the priority doesnt mean the other stats arent still worthwhile is all this video really is an example of.
Which is why I didnt say anyone should do this-its obviously still good to build crit. But for mamy players, it barely matters vs just utilizing other methods of amplifying your dmg and having the knowledge about mechanics/character kits to do so. Ultimately it depends on players personal preferences to determine how worthwhile it is to chase really rare artifacts.
fun video. I think you should try it with a non arlechino dps though. She is so busted that I refuse to increase her NA talent past lv 1 because she literally doesn't need it.
I couldve done a full burgeon arlecchino!
This is what i think when i first play genshin
I've been trying to get better artifacts for Kokomi and my god I can NOT get no crit stats on her, so I can imagine how long it took to get a full set with zero crit stats on them
There is actually a valid reason to go full attack specifically on Arlecchino (it's still not a practical reason mostly a meme build) because Arlecchino has a passive talent that increases her RES against all elements although it's capped at 3k atk though
Yeah I forgot about that making her more tanky too haha
About Arlecchino getting similar result no crit-few crit... she was a bad example and one of the few character (With Xiao), where Attack stats can give similar results than crit, any other character would be much better with crit circlet+ crit weapon
0:54 wow arlecchino i’m disappointed
I just started actually playing genshin I think like 3 weeks ago and I got jade spear on furinas banner with my first 8 pulls but I can't use I cause I have no characters who use that weapon type
Funny. This was my first 5* weapon too. Even r2! It took an eternity before I had a sensible use case for it.
Generally you want energy recharge first crit comes later.
Thanks!
Ty as well!
The fact that you can’t crit almost ruins the abyss 😭😭😭
Who needs crit when you can hit harder than the mommy slipper🗣️🗣️‼️‼️
Me with my 70k HP Nilou: yes 🗿
Pls tell me how bc mine has only 26k w lvl 20 artifacts 😭🙏
@@Hikikomori_1101 well i use 2pc 2pc HP % set, hp sands goblet and circlet, make sure to get good hp from substats too, and have a hp sword
@@rere6845 okay mine has 26k hp 2pcs noblesse and 2 pcs EM ig its trash for her and she has an EM weapon 😞
@@Hikikomori_1101 just try to get 55k to 60k hp first. 70k might be too much without hp sword
@@rere6845 okay thanks :D
Man I wish I had this message before genshin burned me out, I got all the super meta peeps at one point and just gave up farming for them. sadge
This guy sounds like Raiyuden
Bloom players: this is easy work🥱
I feel like this would be fun with HP+EM no crit Hu Tao
just build two transformative reactions teams, anyone AR50+ can get full value
straight up if you have sucrose nahida and kuki you just need to spam EM on them and then get xingqiu or kokomi
I trake the invis dude with arli X mark
If you don’t build crit at all you would still want to optimally build a lot of ER and attack (and maybe EM); from the very beginning of this video, it doesn’t seem like your non-crit-stat artifacts have those. This is understandable, given that normally “good” artifacts would have a mix of crit stats and maybe some ER and EM or whatever specific stat the character may need, and I’m sure that you normally only keep “good” artifacts. You probably raised some random artifacts you had lying around just for this video. However, the fact that you’re using almost explicitly straight-up bad artifacts with low ER, attack and EM significantly throws off any results that you may have come to through testing. In fact, as you certainly know, all that some characters need to perform some specific elemental reactions (spread, aggravate, etc) would be their character level and EM, rendering crit stats useless. It should absolutely be possible to get 36 stars in abyss with all of your characters having minimal crit rate.
Yeah Id like to do two entire teams with this same concept at some point but getting two full teams of units with no crit stats is going to take a miseraeble amount of farming
Great vid ty
I would love to know waht chrecters work well without crit! Rolling for crit is tiring
I think the answer to that is just “it depends.” Most notably on what your clear times look like with your other team, and how many dmg relevant stats you are getting outside of crit.
In Arlecchinos case, she has quite high base multipliers, some inherent free dmg bonus, then gets more dmg bonus from Kazuha & Candace, gets Bennett buff, Instructors buff (120 em from Candace), and vaporize amplifying the damage.
So in the right team, any unit may be able to work suprisingly well without much crit, dependant on what your other team looks like for the abyss. But the most likely characters that work better than you may expect without really good builds on them are probably the most “strong” or “meta” characters. Eg Neuvilette I suspect would do pretty well too. I also kinda want to test how Fischl does on a 0 crit build in the future but farming no crit artifacts is weirdly annoying lol
Typically, characters that heavily utilize transformative reactions, especially Bloom or its derivatives. You are however only trading rolling for crit with rolling for EM.
And you'll never suffer more than rolling a stupidly high CV on a piece that's going to Nilou anyway.
Okay, this has piqued my interest
thank you for 1440p
i have a question can a device being a borderline potato make it harder to clear the abyss?
If it lags a lotttt then I’d say so but you can try changing your settings if it’s that bad
Yeah if your using normal attack characters then you hit less normal attacks per rotation you can feel it especially when using eula
you arlechino literally does more dmg than my 72-210 crit ratio 2pc atk and 2pc em build (overall), and i do have kazuha too.
How is my crit build navia has 3.5k atk with 180/66 cr💀. I thought it was normal
Be proud. You cooked.
Would you consider doing a Polearm weapon tier list after Emile's weapon releases? I feel like you have the most expertise when it come to this.
I mean yeah I probably could, but Ive not really been that interested in doing tier list videos. Maybe I should at least test the waters for it being a simple video I can make one week lol
@@SolunerraOk thanks for keeping it in mind! I'm thinking about going for a crit pole arm and any my pros an cons lists I make for them have me deadlocked D:
@@Damoney125 if you want to do hybrid Raiden then SoSS could be worthwhile, otherwise the best generic option is probably Homa. But some polearm units may value crit rate stat sticks more, or ER lol (eg engulfing on XL for enabling a solo pyro XL to be more doable and stronger)
don’t build crit on any of my characters and i only use like two elemental reactions but im getting through the content anyway 😓
"This build is not much better"
vapes 230k Immedietly after lol
ok well now i just suck your non crit arlechinno did more than i’ve ever done 💀
yo i got an ar 45 acc thats i horible like night mare bad i would love to see if you can make something work on in lmao
Interesting challenge
man... you can clear without any crit and i can barely clear with neuvi D:
Now build a 4star artifact only team ^^
I would like to eventually! Just may take a while to collect 4 star pieces lol
@@Solunerra ah, okay.
Neuv, nilou, arle go brrr with those
Unrelated to the topic but what was your thought process behind not using Arle's burst to save her on 6:58?
I think with Arle and Neuvi you can do this on both half
i thought about this the other day 😭 wow
Why didn't you use kazhua ult at all?
Buff the player
But does it count when the other side is cracked?
But what if you made an entire team an atk% em hybrid build across the board no hyperbloom.
I would like to do that eventually, but needing no crit pieces for two entire teams is a miserable amount of resources put into bad artifacts for one video lol. So maybe someday
arle crit no
Me who still can’t clear the abyss watching like 😐 (it was a good vid though)
Wait is this current abyss a harder one?? Ive been tryna 36 star for the first time NO WONDER I was failing so bad 😭😭
Nilou bloom players:
This how i play but with crit those monster have a 1M Hp with me 😢😢😢😢😢
I don't wanna sound weird but I wanna ask something. Why are you doing this torture to yourself 😭🙌