2016 Lecture 07 Maps of Meaning: Part I: Osiris, Set, Isis and Horus
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- One variant of the ancient Egyptian myth of Osiris and his compatriots serves to illustrate the archetypal substructure of narrative cognition. Understanding this story has great conceptual and practical utility.
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On Horus [1:19:30], the long-lost rightful king
On what happens to Horus' eye after his victory over Seth [1:27:55]
The Democratization of Osiris [1:32:20]
Thanks!!!!
For anyone wondering 🙄 the subject (that most likely got your attention) depicted in the title begins at 45 minutes into the video.
Thank you for articulating my feelings on Foucault. My sociology tutor keeps going on and on about him, one of our assignments is even based around his thoughts on mental health, and I have always had a problem with his ideas but could never explain why, it just always felt off to me.
We even had a class debate on the power distribution in society and it was me against everyone else. I was trying to argue that of course there are advantages for certain classes of people but at the end of the day it does not matter becuase I believe hard work and luck accounts more for success than an advantagious starting point. Even more than that I was trying to say in some sense it does not matter because it is meaning that counts in life and if one concentrates on power as meaning and focuses on how unfair it is maybe that person is not as left leaning as they would like to believe.
Anyway I was completely shut down by the tutor who exlaimed "enough!" and reminded me of the struggle of woman and minority ethincities in the past as way of dismissing my argument. It does not help I was not calm either but I honestly felt that maybe I was wrong and that my way of thining was wrong. How can I argue against that? So I do not anymore, if I need to sing the praises of Foucault in my next assingment I will but I certainly will not believe it.
Back to the point of this rambling, it is a relief to see someone far more intelligent than me express an opinion I have had. Maybe the way I think is not so wrong after all even if my points in the class debate were wrong.
+Jordan B Peterson Thanks for the advice, I will take it seriously and I look forward to your next video.
Jordan B Peterson you couldn't be more right about Marxists willing to throw away all reason and even scientific facts in order to enforce their "principles". Having lived for 15 yrs in a " Communist" country I can tell you it is a "social trait" that it is beaten into the minds of its citizen each and every day in just about any form of media, backed by the terror of police.... it is soo pervasive that it has become an extreme form of self censoring which then expands into another trait which you can see in just about any socialist-communist society which is the stagnation of development of the country in general.
D27Rugen What country is that?
@@GustavoRivasMendez idk what country he is from but I'm from Cuba and I agree with him 💯 percent the ideas are beaten into people's head over and over. I was such a rare instance because I am a very skeptical person and I'm the kind of person that if you force something down my throat i throw up and I find something else to eat. Which is why I got in trouble in Cuba since the age of 7 for questioning the ideas. I didn't get in big trouble because I was a kid but my parents were always called to be questioned at school on where my ideas against "equality" came from. My problem wasn't and never will be with equality my problem is with equity. Hope that helps...
Courageous
Dr P's old stuff is still great, but it's amazing how much better he's gotten. Trial by fire is apparently a good way to forge a stronger future. Well done.
God, Dr. You are so right. My husband has told me for years...take out dictator. ..NOTHING but chaos follows. Be careful. You answered so many questions I had. Thank you. We need you.
Set was no enemy of the Sun. Here's a little food for thought:
Mythologically, Set stood on the front of Ra's boat as he was traveling through the underworld at night. He was thereby protecting Ra (the Sun) from Apophis (the snake looming behnd the horizon and threatening to devour the Sun and return the world into chaos). Apophis is mindless chaos, while Set is a sort of creative chaos that makes space for new things to emerge. It could be that he killed Osiris because he wanted something new to emerge, because Egypt was not what it could have been (in his eyes).
You can't kill the one to raise a zero if they're not equal
makes sense, and how Horis has to better than his father to retake his throne, so that the same mistakes are not made. I guess that if you try to snuff out ingenuity it will manifestate itself through calculated treason. It takes a hell of an imagination to form a coup that actually works. And a strong mature figure to resolve the tension created from it.
I guess we can say that Set is like the black dot in the white spiral of ying and yang? Have the spiral loose it's barier of containing it's oppposite, and it will leak out, and shift the balance. Making it ever so more complicated to keep true chaos at bay, maybe end up even inviting it.
@@igorabdoaguilar9331 So much clarity in these comments sometimes. Thank you past people.
I struggle to understand most of the content but i find you very interesting and deep. Thank you for the content.
He is so articulate and the concepts/examples he explains are so interesting
Grateful to JBP for putting lectures on you tube. They are much more than we can ask for; wish somewhere we could access the slides he is using.
Don't worry about the slides. He used them largely as a measure of required conformity. The visualization projected by his cognitive and linguistic skills, are the essence and totality, of 'sorting it out'. On a more complex level, call it perceptive association and constructive abstraction, using what is known, and what we seek to understand.
If we fail to sort it out, well, good luck with that.
I love this series. So much good stuff here. This blue collar American is loving it. Thanks so much for sharing!
One of the best ones so far
this man deserves a nobel peace prize
I can't even imagine the amount of reading Dr Peterson has done.
Imagine he just Googles his questions and find a 500page book and a video to fill in a hole that he then breaks down to make connections to other subjects where it logically makes sense.
@@squoreacts1837 lol, so much projection in your comment, thanks for letting everyone know who you are
Mufasa doesn't underestimate scar, he commits the eternal mistake of good which is to tolerate evil and intolerance, despite zazus advice to turn him into a rug.This is a central theme of norse mythology with Odin tolerating Loki and a valid and relevant lesson for today's societies.
Odin is not good and Loki is not evil.
Thank you!
"Mufasa doesn't underestimate scar" He routinely underestimates him throughout the entire movie.
"he commits the eternal mistake of good which is to tolerate evil and intolerance" The people that walk around screaming how good they are, are constantly claiming the moral high-ground with "tolerance" while they ironically cast out/murder others that don't fit into their definition of "good". Doesn't sound very "good" of the "good" people.
"despite zazus advice to turn him into a rug." Zazu is nothing but unchecked panic and who in their right mind listens to unchecked panic? Give Zazu a Mufasa that listens to his advice and it literally turns into a fascist nation because unchecked panic leads to destroying anything different because "different" means "bad/evil".
"This is a central theme of norse mythology" No it's not.
"Odin tolerating Loki and a valid and relevant lesson for today's societies." Odin doesn't "tolerate" Loki. He's just a shit parent and he's the void where chaos (Loki) and order (Thor) live. He holds the ability to mold the situation whichever way he chooses, but he's indifferent. I would say he understands the need to have both entities exist. You can not have good without bad. The coin no longer exists if 1 side is missing.
Also, how is it a valid lesson for today's society? Which society?
Also Batman and the Joker.
i agree. good always gives evil another chance and most the time evil commits evil again.
What you said about getting stuck in the underworld was quite scary, I ended up there about 8 years ago and have been there ever since, it's also interesting what you said about the fact we know that bad things will catch up with us when we transgress but we often choose to delude ourselves and hope we can cheat the system. I'm not some hopeless pessimist but I can shake the eerie feeling that I'm never coming back. Thanks for all the amazing work.
I love this whole series! Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting!
this course should be mandatory in schools
Overwhelmingly brilliant. Thank you sir
Another useful element within Seth's set of traits is his graphic representation. His animal head is that of an unknown non-existent animal which is a one-off exception within the Egyptian deities. This contributes to the overall strength of a "chaos-unknown" deity.
+Jordan B Peterson , it seems most cultures endowed their deities with graphic cues to provide additional content, regardless if they were conscious of it or not. It's rather curious that most of us just attribute that to "wild" imaginations of past cultures instead of being able to decipher such content. Even more curious to me is the fact that even nowadays we are gripped by the same representations regardless of how ancient they are. Certain graphical representations of gods seem to be incredibly gripping even when we can't quite articulate why.
We did that in America too. That's why there were 13 colonies. The seal on the back of the dollar bill is a prophecy from the Cumean Sibyl of Apollo. Well, she quite literally says it's one in the same as Horus. That's why a lot of American symbology is Egyptian.
nagol5178 Greeks changed the name of Africans to Egyptians. it's a proven fact
nagol5178 Greeks changed the name of Africans to Egyptians. it's a proven fact
Egyptians referred to their country as Hwt-ka-Ptah (Temple for Ka of Ptah) Greeks had difficulty pronouncing the name Hwt-ka-Ptah , so the Greeks changed the name to Aegyptus.
What this has to do with this comment thread is beyond me.
“I love sleep. My life has the tendency to fall apart when I'm awake, you know?” -Ernest Hemingway
Brilliant comment.
Honestly it sounds as if he may have suffered from his being enlightened. This opinion is based entirely from this quote. Not his entire body of work. You see it all the time, true intelligence doesn't allow a false escape from the truth, as ignorance is the only way to escape reality is rather ironic, because once you understand that, you are no longer ignorant. Its better, in my opinion to know the depth you seek to reach and stop. We are not meant to know reality in this depth without the constant understanding of it. Most people aren't capable those who are still suffer without the ability to see beyond themselves and their emotions. Had to speak on this comments because it held the most hope for being understood. More because of the subject material in the video, just referenced the quote for relevance. Clearly he was a intelligent person, that was conscious beyond most. So It applied. Lol
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@@violatrent1940 Have seen a picture of his daughter's? OMG
51:00 Willfully Blind - Story of Osiris
I’ve spent some time reading Foucault in French (the main reason why Foucault is revered in France is his writing style). To me, Peterson got it right in general, but he missed one important point: the concept of power in Foucault’s thought is not Marxist, but Nietzschean (and Webberian in some sense). In Foucault, we have a distinction between power and resilience (one’s capacity to resist power). That distinction is very close to kraft and macht in Nietzsche.
21:54 - "You can't just generate up a fairy-tale"
Hah, nice!
"The snow queen" was made up. Its not thousands of years old.
@@7Z-t now I get why moana was so much better than frozen
I just love hearing this guy. It never gets boring. Perfect voice, perfect ideas.
His "attentive avatar of culture" idea discussed around 1:31:00 is really cool.
It's so interesting seeing how this is happening with the USA right now. I live in it, so it's also a bit nerve-wracking, but I am looking forward to the future with some positivity.
Dr. Jordan,
Thank you please keep going.
Life is a self-sustaining system... Within an interactive environment. A system is a catalyst of life, either in it's root form as a chemical reaction, or in more complex forms such as institutions. Every system has flaws, and eventually, the system does little more than protect it's flaws (once theyre identified) as a means to maintain stability, which instantly leads to corruption.
SpiritualFox # Absolutely true!
As far as I understand it Horus rising is the origins or Horizon and as mentioned Sett kills the Sun/Son where we get sunset. The Sun crosses the sky and dies on the cross as he is killed by Sett (or Seth), sunset often has a blood red sky. So there is much Christian symbolism derived from the Egyptian mysteries. As above, so below the plan acted out in the heavens (sky) is represented on Earth.
Sentience is another way of describing the ability to see and understand. All this fits in well with the Trivium which people used to learn as a prerequisite for education, importantly the gaining of knowledge (being able to "see" what is going on), understanding which includes reasoning through information from eclectic sources (this is where much of academia these days does particularly badly I will add, especially the eclectic bit) and finally wisdom. So the Trivium being Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom.
Could you do a series on Stoicism? The growing number of practicing Stoics would readily consume the insights you'd glean from their works I'm sure!
It's the ship of Theseus; the lesson is not to burn the entire ship and build a new boat, the lesson is to remove the rotten wood and replace it with fresh, strong, new timber. That the ship has been repaired so much that you can question if it is still the same ship becomes irrelevant; it still serves the same function. As long as it is renewed constantly, updated as needed, it remains useful.
Here's a fun fact: I wake up most mornings with 'Osiris eye'.
I've got a fair size permanent, open bleeding wound on the right side of my face that I picked up as a souvenir after intercepting the Oct. 2001 Amerithrax attack @ the Newtown Square post office that extenfs from the outside corner of my eye to my ear and is as tall as my ear. When I wake , the blood has run under my eye, pooled, dripped and run into a patter that looks like that Osiris eye thingy when you look at it in the mirror. Also, the clay in 'feet of clay' is 'sacred ash' schmeered on the foots of the body.
“In my kingdom, you have to run as fast as you can just to stay in the same place.”
- Red Queen
"The Old Solutions Don't Solve The New Problems" The Osiris story speaks of the failures of Political Conservatism. Solutions come from interactions of differing perspectives, not blind adherence to the perspectives we are comfortable with. This applies to any ideology in which the individual is unwilling or unable to understand a differing perspective. I bring this up as snippets of lectures by this professor are often used as tools by Political Conservatives. When in reality the lectures are quite academic and nuanced.
45:10 Osiris Isis Set Horus
Thank you for all of these!
1:03:45 the state is becoming our technology
You understand thank You 👍
42:12 literature as an antidote to ideology
55:56 Be careful disrupting order - LISTEN
I remember discussing communism not being applied properly back when I was in secondary school, the UK high school equivalent. It never occurred to me to even question where the debate came from, whether from someone reading about it online or from a teacher. I probably should have asked.
Horus is born in the underworld because it is the place of birth, the womb, much like the cenote in Myan mythology. You can fall back into the womb, you need to to be reborn sometimes.
So in the Isis Osiris myth Isis doesn’t find the phallus so she makes one from clay. The story sometimes goes that a fish are it. She doesn’t find the phallus that is an important bit so Jordan please help with your thoughts on this
"*shakes laptop* This is the state. If you think your laptop isn't the state then you're not thinking about your laptop properly. It's the state."
Oh JP..
Made me giggle
I love Peterson, but by the time he gets through a story, my computer will be outdated 😂😂😂
@1:17:40 finding order in chaos
Lose belief means that value you used to believe are not suited to your goal or your experience.
There are two alternative to this: change your goal or change your belief.
Power and system are part of society. When a system give promise and achieve the fixed goal provided
by the promise, belief is bounding between system and indivuals. It's impossible to get ride of belief without
the performance of the system behind it, the efficiency of the underlined social contract. The issue reveal
itself when the system does claim any belief while performing well because any actor of the system can take
advantage of this situation in a way to promote its own belief without demonstrating any contribution to the performance
and take credit from it. Promise is a reflection of an individual potential. Trust him or not depend on your belief and
your ethics.
Dear Prof Jordan Peterson, what are your thoughts on the Japanese mythology of Izanagi and Izanami and its correlation (or does it even have any correlation?) to their samurai culture, unit 731, Yakuza and Japanese nationalism/supremacy.
firdaus bin abd muttalib Whoa
Dr. Peterson, regarding potential being serpentine, have you considered the coiled serpent representing a spring, which, when loaded, literally has potential energy in a Newtonian sense? That's the image/concept that sprang to my mind when I was listening to your discussion of that matter.
you miss a key part. why did a pharoah choose set as his patron god? who do u think the hyksos are? which god did they worship?
Dr Peterson, have you read any of Theodor Adorno's work, ie.. dialectic of enlightenment,ie... social theory or critical theory?
i'd be curious what your thoughts are
32:50 "...the transformation of the semi-known thing into the more-known thing
...almost aways occurs in a social context..."
"Standing on the shoulders of giants" [Newton] implies the existence
1. of a society of "giants" and 2. of a society which 'semi-knows' who the giants might be.
49:06 That seems exactly like the phrase ''I was born in the wrong generation.'' seen under Nirvana music vids and other 80s & 90s music because younger people see THE BEST of the past and think that's the only thing that happened and they want to live in those days even thought they're not an accurate representation of the time.
Interesting
Crazy how I this is understandable, and I don't think it's only gift of gab
39:00 theres a good bit in Snow White which shows this when she's running through he forest. The whole place looks monstrous until she starts seeing the animals and trees around her as useful to her survival, at which point the sun comes out and everything is good again.
Great lecture. But Pol Pot did not study at the Sorbonne. Pol Pot's ideology was inspired by the writings of a colleague who wrote a thesis at the Sorbonne about the effect of colonialism on Cambodia's agrarian society. The colleague's name was Khieu Samphan.
1:16:13 I feel like I'm driven by some mix of those 3
Great topic thank you for sharing Sir.
Would it be wrong or far-fetched to derive and devise an attempt to save the broken self the same way Horus does through reviving Osiris? I'm sorry if the question seems silly but I think the story also points inevitably to that psychological state where the present self (Horus) chooses not to make the incursion into the underworld and save/unify with Osiris. Would Horus only lack wisdom in that case or would he be completely dysfunctional? The story had a profound impact on me at a personal level as it urges me to go back and rescue that broken Osiris, lend him the understanding, insight (eye) of Horus and unify with him instead of denying, resenting or ignoring his existance. I'm referring to the struggles of remaining a sane individual when you're suddenly cornered by your complex traumatic past you are no longer willfully blind to and from which there's no escape.
When someone says "the end worths it" then we must ask him about his plans. However, when somebody believes he has an Absolute Truth, so the Good, we must also ask him about his plans, because he would eventually try to enforce them on you.
We do know that the 'TELEPHONE GAME' is to be blamed of the several variations as you say. Experiments show that either written stories, pictures, dances or mantras are to be changed drastically in a few minutes (say a few iterations in the transmission chain). But then, how do you explain that Mesopotamiam or Egyptian (or Mayan and Hindu) remain alive along millennia with so many archetypes/schemes/mythemes clearly distinguishable?
You need a strong emotion or affect (a TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE?) to keep the legend going on with common underlying themes. You must also NEED TO EXPLAIN why such themes: why a Flood instead of a more dramatic volcanic Eruption (you cannot swim in fire) or a global earthquake (we cannot fly but can swim)? Why a Dragon or flying Snake and not a tiger or a tyranosaurus? Why a Tree or Mound communicating the abode of the gods in the midst of heaven to the underworld (places who are out of reach especially for ancients)? Why a god travels to underworld (the horizon?) and resurrects instead of simply going to a forest or desert or a sea trip?
The only possibility, which you seem trying to avoid, is that all cultures saw and witnessed such events and they interpreted them in different ways. Of course, you might argue groundless, that they are stored in the noosphere or the aether in a form of EM waves resonances, but that would be hard to prove at best.
By the way, what is an evolutionary mechanism is the idea of Good (common good), since al beings from bacteria to plants to animals thrive in groups, especially when growing. Then what is good for the group becomes and "absolute truth" for the herd and any opposite idea must be fought and destroyed since it might threaten the survival of the group. It's amusing your comparison of Osiris like "a George Washington but without texts" (which is not right).
At least we do agree that the Flood existed, though it was not caused by alleged commentary impacts (no crater, no witness of such explosions). People anthropomorphise to comprehend things according to our beliefs, and social contact necessity is a huge drive to do it (may have social contact been lost, perhaps after a global catastrophe/Flood)??
On Foucault and Institutions [12:00]
"You all get along because you all imitate the central body of custom and law that makes up the state..." Explains why Northern Ireland doesn't work. Two groups of people imitating two different personifications. How then to change that? Create a new state, with a new personification that both sides can imitate?
anyone else end up here bc Jordan Peterson is awesome and they like the egyptian gods in Smite?
Soul memory... the soul remembers, and not all souls are new.
46:16 Explains Catholic Theological Understanding of God lol. I'm a Michigander from the United States, but I would consider taking [your] class just for these kinds of philosophies.
I've always thought of the lion king as being Hamlet with lions
Hänsel und Gretel have more to do with the later folk processing of the witch-hunt era “15th century to the early modern period” in Germany than anything else. For one the child processing witch is a classical narrative in most treatises on witchcraft. In addition, there is a layer of distorted truth within these accusations, because medicinal cannibalism was a common practice among the elite and commoners alike, even up to the early 20th century. Also the concept of coupling with the devil is always linked to the concept that (mostly) women out of poverty will sacrifice their children to the devil for some sort of obolus. The historical aspect is indeed that almost all witchcraft trials are rooted in quarrels within a family or a community. Stepfathers/stepmothers accusing their stepchildren of witchcraft or stepchildren accusing their stepmother of witchcraft or even parents (out of poverty) trying to get rid of their children; are actually a common phenomenon during this era. Plus a similar narrative exists in the Malleus Maleficarum, were a father saves his 8 year old daughter from the clutches of his evil wife who was a witch (or originally a weather-maker or Tempestarii) and was put to the stake. The belief in weather-makers is a subject for itself, due to the comprehensible fear of a largely agrarian society.
I wanted to ad in, if one were to visualize the contemporary thought world of the Malleus , especially in regard to its theology. Should watch the film “The VVitch: A New-England Folktale“, anyone who is familiar with witchcraft treatises will see the true nature of this film and understand why this kind of material causes so much controversy among people, ironically females will unknowingly interpret the film in the sense of the Malleus…
Coolest teacha evah!
when you started to speak about Horus - it suddenly hit me that I was kind of the same way, because I experienced the truth (the current monetary system and it's flaws- mainly interest banking aka creating money from *thin air*) and that devouered a part of me without me realising, so now i guess i have to give *the eye* to the people to make them see.
Nephthys is the Queen of the Underworld, and Set is the King of the Underworld. Their son is Anubis, the guardian of the Underworld. Osiris is the Sun God.
I love your lectures. I can't listen to you call Isis the goddess of the Underworld. She is the giver of life. The sky turns red with the rage of Horus when the "Sun" "Sets."
Some Egyptian king tomb depictions have winged serpents either side Amun Rah particularly,I believe these winged serpents to be Cherubim Chariots!!
45:09 is where talk of Egyptian gods starts. Not that the first 45 minutes weren't great.
Thank you 👌
Don’t understand much ,but I know it’s brilliant
My love you are so sweet i rejoice in lord always thank God and thank you to have you as lover 💗
Professor, or fellow learners:
Where can I find more information about the misinformed feminine anthropologists and feminine religions being replaced by patriarchal religions?
I know of a few acquaintances who believe the above and I want to approach them with the proper knowledge.
Isn't "satan" from the Hebrew for "accuser/adversary"? As far as I can recall the book of Job is one of the oldest in the collection we call the Bible, I would certainly expect it to pre-date the Coptics.
Egypt did have control over large swathes of the Levant during thje Bronze age, and the cultures certainly had trade interactions. If "Set"=>"Satan" I would start the search for evidence there. I don't see the parallels. The modern (24 centuries) devil concept seems to be more likely Iranian in origin (Angra Mainyu).
Hebrew mythology draws a lot from Egyptians, but then also myth of Horus is similar to Christ, Seth to Satan, etc. I think it's safe to assume none of those ideas are completely original, they have strong succession that is traceable from knowing the timeline of written stories.
Learning about the REAL origins and meanings of this myth is amazing. Thank you. You could talk forever on this topic and I'd be eager for more.
There's some connection here, however the fable is more closely aligned with the morning star. The morning star is another name for Lucifer, and most likely to be the oldest. Lucifer is a representation of the opponent of the sun. One of the representations is as an underworld god of snakes, however another common one is that Lucifer is last star in the night sky to go out when the sun comes out. Light is good, Dark is bad, so the last light to go out is the falsest light. This is pre-historical.
SpiritualFox That's another good way of looking at it: the sun versus the star.
I'm not gifted in analyzing allegory, but I can sense the importance of these stories. I'm amazed by those who can apply them.
1:21:27 Horus
57:58
What is the name of the book that criticizes Sartre & Foucault?
I'm curious too. Have you figured it out by any chance?
Think I found it: www.theguardian.com/books/2015/dec/10/fools-frauds-and-firebrands-thinkers-of-the-new-left-roger-scuton-review
First thing I thought was Scruton too.
1:17:30 - 1:19:30 Somewhat prophetic. It's a totally different issue and not really relevant to what he's saying generally, but JP had no idea of the strength/power of some prescribed medications. Hopefully he'll be back to relative normalcy in the coming years. whilst not putting himself in the way of the baseless accusatory media. He made short work of many of his detractors but who really needs that sh!t in their lives? Along with many, I wish him better ahead. 🤞
excellent
14:55 As an argentinian i confirm this
I find conflicting information about Pol Pot studying at the Sorbonne. Wikipedia doesn't mention this, and one site (really a letter to a Polish magazine) says it is a myth.
I studied the Khmer Rouge quite extensively several years back and I never read Pol Pot was Sorbonne-educated, rather, that he was educated at a private French technical/engineering school. I used to have an exhaustive biography on him, but can't find it now (naturally).
I was under the impression he studied at a French university in a major city of either Cambodia or Vietnam? I remember that was where he first realised so many foreigners and "bourgeois" people were living in or near Cambodia and "exploiting" the peasantry. Irony is that he was well-educated by foreigners and spoke fluent French and would have been considered a number one enemy by the regime's standards if he wasn't dictator himself. The Khmer regime is really fascinating though, especially for those of us so perplexed by the question of evil.
5:30 there's a recent Korean film called Parasite
what is the thought behind anti archetypes? Like if you have a guy that you would categorise in the hero subset but he isn't the sort of hero you would root for however he is the kind of hero that's needed. Jesus' return would be an example of that, an event that will be destructive enough that you wouldn't cheer but you know it has to happen because the world can no longer be redeemed. So what is some of the thinking behind this?
which is the book he discusses in the beginning?
Yes, Osiris made order out of chaos... yes.... yes... you got it.!
Lilith was the founder of the Egyptian State. The sumarians....
Oral stories are probably working memory because people would have encountered similar things and related their experiences with what they have been told.
Tiamat primordial waters of life.
The Brother's Grimm are particularly old because the concept of The Brother's Grimm, itself, is a representation of a righteous, young, lone (or a small pack/brothers) male wolf (any pack animal will do as a representation, including monkeys) being outside the pack, and of that young outsider learning lessons, and subsequently cutting down negative outsider elements while there (other outsiders, including the crippled, the non-righteous, etc). Young men act as the purge of evil, during societal collapse, or at least, they end up interpreting what evil is, prior to purging it with violence. Most fairytales are descriptions of children (immature people) encountering opportunity/desperation. Fairy-tales are Extreme what-if scenerios of saying YES when opportunity/desperation arises. I think the Chinese use the same word. Risk. The outcome of risk is what determines if something was an opportunity, or merely an act of futile desperation.
Ironically, this is basically the story of Christ. Him and his band of merry men do exactly that.
Thx
1:01:00 the productivity we get from word processing far outweighs any updates or twittering we happen to do
Dude looks savage with that beard
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geist is the character moreso
What if everyone viewed critique as Satrés opponents ( critiques :D ). Critique as something destructive and not the blessing that can give us moments of some real reflection (and improvement if a static mind is uncomfortable to you). Reflection and improvement might be valuable if the "truth" in Satrés words aren't enough. Just like anything, this needs to be viewed seperately from his actual words, for instance, what in his philosophy was exactly so destructive. How are words destructive when coming from a philosopher and what part of his philosophy are we atlking about. We cant say all is destructive, so what exactly is destructive? When you have identified what he said that might be destructive, then ask yourself why those words were so destructive, was he lying? Or did he critisize something that shouldnt be critisized because it actually can't change? Its impossible to improve? If thats the case, then I understand why some would find his words "destructive".
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53:10 - how to handle the unexpected
Osiris was a human... he grew spiritually. He became a god by over-coming death. He is the God of knowledge, wisdom and eternal life. So, mortals have wiped him from their memory - voluntary ignorance, yes.