Nice. Factual, informative. Useful. I like that you stated your advice as just that: advice. Take it or leave it. Too many reviewers put their advice out there as gospel, irrefutable. To them I say, “Thanks, Mom. I can make up my own mind.” Nice video!
Mobile, because: 1. It's mobile 2. Cheaper 3. Has j1772 adapter 4. Can charge from 110v. 5. Most importantly, it's a 32 Amp, 240v, level 2, charger 6. Has six different plug connectors available. Nix wall, because: 1. Higher cost 2. Not mobile 3. Needs electrician for complicated installation. 4. Occupies space in the garage.
Great video! I just bought a Tesla and, as you know, it no longer comes with a mobile charger. In the US, the cost of the mobile charger (as of 2/8/2023) is $230 if you want the two types of plugs. The $200 version does not offer two plugs and has been out of stock for a very long time per my conversation with Tesla. The wall charger is currently sold for $425, so you are talking about a cost difference of $195. However, the mobile charger does not come with a way to hold the cord. If you want that (and I do) the added cost is $35 so the total cost of the mobile charger becomes $265 versus the $425 wall connector. Since the total cost difference is only $160, it becomes a decision on whether its worth it to go with a nicer looking unit which is faster charging OR if you still want the mobile charger because you want portability. My electician told me that the cost for installing either option would be the same. I decided to go with the wall charger. Its nicer looking, charges faster, and is only a $160 price difference from the mobile (since I would want a cable holder). I also like the fact that if I get another Tesla, I can add another wall connector to the same power source. I don't have the need for using a mobile charger on the road. In the rare case that I do, there are plenty of charging spots around.
Thanks for the insight, I didn't think of the added cost of the cable management etc... I think what it comes down to is if you actually do require a mobile connector then the decision is do you stick with that or get both.
@@northerntesla I'm not sure what your electrician is talking about since there should be no need to install anything for the mobile connector since it can use a standard 120 outlet that you already have. And I'm not sure why anyone would pay Tesla $35 for an overpriced hook for cord management.
@@ericshirey1320 The mobile connector is usually used with a 240v outlet. So it sounds like the electrician was talking about adding a 240v outlet. That would be about the same amount of work.
Well I think nowadays if you have just 1 Tesla then it makes sense to get the mobile charger. The price of the wall connector is 2x the price of the mobile charger. Even if you were lazy and you didn't want to connect and disconnect the mobile charger if you need one on the go, you can just buy 2x mobile chargers for the price of 1 wall connector and have 1 in the car always and 1 permanently installed at home as your main charger.
Thanks for all the helpful and practical info. One suggestion is to speak more clearly since I found myself rewinding multiple times to catch what you said. It looks like one great option for home charging that may be the most cost effective is to use the mobile charger with a NEMA adapter to connect with an existing 220 outlet at home. I could use the 10-30 NEMA adapter to connect with my dryer outlet and charge the Model 3 at 22 miles of range per hour., far more than the 3-6 MPH (depending on where you look on Tesla's site) you'd get from the mobile adapter plugged into a 110 outlet. And 22 MPH is not too far from the 30 MPH that I would get from the wall charger for far less cost: only $45 for the adapter and no need for an electrician.
Depends why it’s 2-3k. A wall connector install should be under $1000. Unless your panel needs upgrading or there’s serious work to get the wiring out to the garage. But in that case you’d end up paying the same to get a 220v outlet installed for the mobile connector.
@northerntesla one electrician gave a quote of $3000+ to install the wall connector. Yes, even for the 220V nema 24-50 with GFCI, it comes to $2700+😞 Charging at home is not as straightforward as it sounds for others in my case, unfortunately 😕 so I decided not to install either of them.
@@vijaypandian5513 I would get a second quote. I paid $700 for a 220v installation. Unless that cost is for a panel upgrade because you have no more room.
@northerntesla I have plenty of room, and there is enough amperage as well. He refused to give me the breakdown of the charge and said the majority of the cost is for the wire and labor
I ordered my M3LR in March 2022 before Elon changed the level 2 charger option. So, when my car is ready for pick up (late July) does it come with the level 2 charger kit? Do you know? Thanks.
Can you charge the mobile connector inside your house separately, and then charge the Tesla with it without the mobile connector being connected to an outlet?
Other considerations include. Living in a state that requires NEC Code 2020 you need a GFCI protected Circuit breaker at around $120.00 for a garage installation. That with the Hubbell HBL9450A receptacle at $90 is $210 towards a $400 Wall Connector. I'm sure there are other considerations as well.
@@northerntesla I believe the only GFCI protection available would come from the breaker feeding the wall outlet. Manufacturer would not include this as a feature in States that don't require it. BTW the GFCI is not required when you do a permanent installation. Hope that helps.
@@northerntesla On further research it looks like Tesla does contain a GFCI in all EVSEs. But they can't protect before the EVSE so they are still required at the breaker.
@@northerntesla Most EVSEs have internal GFCI. The issue is by code that the outlet needs to be protected when in a garage or outside. Not all areas have adopted that code update yet and there is an issue with nuisance tripping to the point that Tesla says not to use a gfci breaker. That creates more fun with inspectors.
Thank you for the video. Just a technical issue, the sound was kind of dull/muffled. And maybe you could talk a bit slower. But I stuck around to the end so you should take that as a compliment!
Best part of the video were the bloopers at the end. Especially the last outtake when your hair suddenly becomes an issue LOL! 🙂🙂🙂Very helpful info. Thanks!
Which is more efficient. I would think there would be greater energy loss with the mobile connector due to slower charge and thermal causing running heat mitigation systems for longer periods of time.
It would be pretty difficult to test if there is any energy loss difference between the two. A slower charge is healthier for the battery in the long term.
When using the NEMA-14 50A outlet, the same 220/240VAC as that the wall connector uses supplies the charging power so energy loss due to IIR losses will be lower with the slower charging rate (i.e. lower current) of the mobile connector (because IIR losses increase with the square of the current). That said, Tesla cars let you control the charging rate regardless of the EVSE's maximum current rating so if you're worried about those small losses you can limit the charge rate that way, in which neither one has an efficiency advantage.
A few years of history have given the industry more information. The problem with plug-in EVSEs is three fold. You need a commercial grade outlet (+$50-100). The $15 outlets that are fine for dryers and ranges are not built for the continuous loads of the EVSE and there has been a lot of overheating and melting. Second is that the outlet requires the neutral wire even though unused. That's a dollar a ft extra cost. Third is the GFCI breaker that the new code requires although not yet adopted everywhere and issues with those. If required, add another $100. I install EVSEs and if a customer insists on a plug-in unit, the upcharge can be $300-400. Wall units (hardwired) are the best bet.
Super helpful video! Just got a model 3 performance and I have a super charger within 10 minutes from the house. Trying to see my home options and this definitely helped a ton! Thank you!
Congrats on the new car! Just be mindful not to use the supercharger that frequently as it’s not good for the long term health of the battery. And thanks for the kind words.
Jan 2024 update: The J1772 adapter still comes with new cars even after they stopped shipping the mobile connector in the car. (my 2022 Model 3LR came with both, our 2023 November built Model Y came with the J1772 adapter only)
Hello sir , I just got mobile connector after order Tesla model Y but I think it’s not that much helpful so I need to return it and order wall connector so what should I do now plz …help me
Go to your account and order history where you can start the order process. Similar to Amazon. You may have to pay a 15% restocking fee so be sure you want to return it.
Them really having the audacity to try to say "We made it easier to purchase with the car"😂😂😂😢 like if you don't stop. You know what was easier ? When it came with the 38K + car you bought
Well, of course . . . the chargers would just be tacked onto the price of the car. When I bought my Tesla Model Y, I just mentally added on the $230 cost of the mobile unit (not to mention whatever it was going to cost to wire a 240 vac outlet) to the actual cost. This is just such a no-brainer, I don't understand why there's trouble with the concept. Yes, of course, marketing plays a part in this, but then so does pricing everything with a "99" at the end, as in a bottle of something for $6.99; some people's brains tell them "Hey, it's only 6 bucks . . . I think I'll buy it." Marketing, marketing, marketing.
Nice. Factual, informative. Useful. I like that you stated your advice as just that: advice. Take it or leave it. Too many reviewers put their advice out there as gospel, irrefutable.
To them I say, “Thanks, Mom. I can make up my own mind.”
Nice video!
That means the world to me. Thank you.
Mobile, because: 1. It's mobile 2. Cheaper 3. Has j1772 adapter 4. Can charge from 110v. 5. Most importantly, it's a 32 Amp, 240v, level 2, charger 6. Has six different plug connectors available. Nix wall, because: 1. Higher cost 2. Not mobile 3. Needs electrician for complicated installation. 4. Occupies space in the garage.
Mobile has the most options. Unless you don’t need any of those then the one benefit of wall connector is it’s more durable.
The best combo: wall connector for outside, mobile connector for inside the garage and travelling.
man, the bloopers are such a confidence booster for me - I am not the only one suffering a mental block then...
Thanks. You’re not alone my friend.
Great video! I just bought a Tesla and, as you know, it no longer comes with a mobile charger. In the US, the cost of the mobile charger (as of 2/8/2023) is $230 if you want the two types of plugs. The $200 version does not offer two plugs and has been out of stock for a very long time per my conversation with Tesla. The wall charger is currently sold for $425, so you are talking about a cost difference of $195. However, the mobile charger does not come with a way to hold the cord. If you want that (and I do) the added cost is $35 so the total cost of the mobile charger becomes $265 versus the $425 wall connector. Since the total cost difference is only $160, it becomes a decision on whether its worth it to go with a nicer looking unit which is faster charging OR if you still want the mobile charger because you want portability. My electician told me that the cost for installing either option would be the same. I decided to go with the wall charger. Its nicer looking, charges faster, and is only a $160 price difference from the mobile (since I would want a cable holder). I also like the fact that if I get another Tesla, I can add another wall connector to the same power source. I don't have the need for using a mobile charger on the road. In the rare case that I do, there are plenty of charging spots around.
Thanks for the insight, I didn't think of the added cost of the cable management etc... I think what it comes down to is if you actually do require a mobile connector then the decision is do you stick with that or get both.
@@northerntesla I'm not sure what your electrician is talking about since there should be no need to install anything for the mobile connector since it can use a standard 120 outlet that you already have. And I'm not sure why anyone would pay Tesla $35 for an overpriced hook for cord management.
@@ericshirey1320 The mobile connector is usually used with a 240v outlet. So it sounds like the electrician was talking about adding a 240v outlet. That would be about the same amount of work.
@@CoreyGemme My guess is that more folks use the mobile connector with an existing 110v outlet instead of a 220v outlet but I could be wrong.
Installation of the wall connector is not cheap
Well I think nowadays if you have just 1 Tesla then it makes sense to get the mobile charger. The price of the wall connector is 2x the price of the mobile charger. Even if you were lazy and you didn't want to connect and disconnect the mobile charger if you need one on the go, you can just buy 2x mobile chargers for the price of 1 wall connector and have 1 in the car always and 1 permanently installed at home as your main charger.
Really good point
Thanks for all the helpful and practical info. One suggestion is to speak more clearly since I found myself rewinding multiple times to catch what you said. It looks like one great option for home charging that may be the most cost effective is to use the mobile charger with a NEMA adapter to connect with an existing 220 outlet at home. I could use the 10-30 NEMA adapter to connect with my dryer outlet and charge the Model 3 at 22 miles of range per hour., far more than the 3-6 MPH (depending on where you look on Tesla's site) you'd get from the mobile adapter plugged into a 110 outlet. And 22 MPH is not too far from the 30 MPH that I would get from the wall charger for far less cost: only $45 for the adapter and no need for an electrician.
That would depend where that existing 220 outlet is in relation to the vehicle.
@@northerntesla Good point, since it's recommended not to use an extension cord; the 220 outlet needs to be pretty close to your charging location.
How about the additional expenses to install the wall connector. Is it worth it if the cost to install the wall connector is $2000 to $3000.
Depends why it’s 2-3k. A wall connector install should be under $1000. Unless your panel needs upgrading or there’s serious work to get the wiring out to the garage. But in that case you’d end up paying the same to get a 220v outlet installed for the mobile connector.
@northerntesla one electrician gave a quote of $3000+ to install the wall connector. Yes, even for the 220V nema 24-50 with GFCI, it comes to $2700+😞 Charging at home is not as straightforward as it sounds for others in my case, unfortunately 😕 so I decided not to install either of them.
@@vijaypandian5513 I would get a second quote. I paid $700 for a 220v installation. Unless that cost is for a panel upgrade because you have no more room.
@northerntesla I have plenty of room, and there is enough amperage as well. He refused to give me the breakdown of the charge and said the majority of the cost is for the wire and labor
I ordered my M3LR in March 2022 before Elon changed the level 2 charger option. So, when my car is ready for pick up (late July) does it come with the level 2 charger kit? Do you know? Thanks.
When you say level 2 charger do you mean the mobile connector or the J1772 adapter?
@@northerntesla I mean the whole cable with adapter that plug into either the 120V or 240V.
@@northerntesla The adapter that use to include with the car but now Tesla is selling for $200
@@nghiaho535 yes you should be getting the kit.
Thank you. Informative and love the outtakes!
Thanks for watching
Thank you for the useful info. Love the out takes ha
Awesome!
I hit thumb up at the moment I saw bloopers lol
If that’s what it takes, then so be it. Lol
Can you charge the mobile connector inside your house separately, and then charge the Tesla with it without the mobile connector being connected to an outlet?
No it has to be plugged in. It’s not a battery pack.
@@northerntesla thanks man
Does the 2024 Model 3 Long Range RWD and AWD both have 48Amp max?
No the RWD is 32 amp max
@@northerntesla 2024 Long range RWD has 48Amp. 250kW Max
How long does it take to charge it full with the mobile connector?
From (20% to 30%)
usually about 8 or 9 hours for me if full means 100% .
If going to 90% then about 6-7
Thanks for the video. Does the standard wall connector decrease the battery life in the long run ?
No it doesn't, in fact it would prob be better for the battery as it charges slower
@@northerntesla thanks
Other considerations include. Living in a state that requires NEC Code 2020 you need a GFCI protected Circuit breaker at around $120.00 for a garage installation. That with the Hubbell HBL9450A receptacle at $90 is $210 towards a $400 Wall Connector. I'm sure there are other considerations as well.
Thanks for the useful insight. So does the Wall Connector have its own GFCI protection?
@@northerntesla I believe the only GFCI protection available would come from the breaker feeding the wall outlet. Manufacturer would not include this as a feature in States that don't require it. BTW the GFCI is not required when you do a permanent installation. Hope that helps.
@@northerntesla On further research it looks like Tesla does contain a GFCI in all EVSEs. But they can't protect before the EVSE so they are still required at the breaker.
@@northerntesla Most EVSEs have internal GFCI. The issue is by code that the outlet needs to be protected when in a garage or outside. Not all areas have adopted that code update yet and there is an issue with nuisance tripping to the point that Tesla says not to use a gfci breaker. That creates more fun with inspectors.
I’m new to charging. How much slower is a regular plug compared to the washer dryer plug 😵💫
EV Charging Time Estimate Guide
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Thank you for the video. Just a technical issue, the sound was kind of dull/muffled. And maybe you could talk a bit slower. But I stuck around to the end so you should take that as a compliment!
Thansk! I've been working on my audio and pronunciation. Hopefully you're subscribed and can let me know if it gets better.
Best part of the video were the bloopers at the end. Especially the last outtake when your hair suddenly becomes an issue LOL! 🙂🙂🙂Very helpful info. Thanks!
Yes! Thank you!
hahaha the bloopers are great! good add in to the video
Thanks!
Which is more efficient. I would think there would be greater energy loss with the mobile connector due to slower charge and thermal causing running heat mitigation systems for longer periods of time.
It would be pretty difficult to test if there is any energy loss difference between the two. A slower charge is healthier for the battery in the long term.
When using the NEMA-14 50A outlet, the same 220/240VAC as that the wall connector uses supplies the charging power so energy loss due to IIR losses will be lower with the slower charging rate (i.e. lower current) of the mobile connector (because IIR losses increase with the square of the current). That said, Tesla cars let you control the charging rate regardless of the EVSE's maximum current rating so if you're worried about those small losses you can limit the charge rate that way, in which neither one has an efficiency advantage.
A few years of history have given the industry more information. The problem with plug-in EVSEs is three fold. You need a commercial grade outlet (+$50-100). The $15 outlets that are fine for dryers and ranges are not built for the continuous loads of the EVSE and there has been a lot of overheating and melting. Second is that the outlet requires the neutral wire even though unused. That's a dollar a ft extra cost. Third is the GFCI breaker that the new code requires although not yet adopted everywhere and issues with those. If required, add another $100. I install EVSEs and if a customer insists on a plug-in unit, the upcharge can be $300-400. Wall units (hardwired) are the best bet.
Thanks for the insight from a professional eye.
Super helpful video! Just got a model 3 performance and I have a super charger within 10 minutes from the house. Trying to see my home options and this definitely helped a ton! Thank you!
Congrats on the new car! Just be mindful not to use the supercharger that frequently as it’s not good for the long term health of the battery. And thanks for the kind words.
Yesss!!! I approve that message 😢
Excellent video and information and I have subscribed too. 👍
Welcome aboard!
You mentioned something to protect the cord on the mobile charger when it goes under a garage door…can you share the link?
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Perfect! Thanks for the info 🙌
Glad to help
Great video, sir. Thanks!
Thanks!
J1772 is still included with all vehicles, its required by law
Only the NACS to J1772 adapter is included
Jan 2024 update: The J1772 adapter still comes with new cars even after they stopped shipping the mobile connector in the car. (my 2022 Model 3LR came with both, our 2023 November built Model Y came with the J1772 adapter only)
Hello sir , I just got mobile connector after order Tesla model Y but I think it’s not that much helpful so I need to return it and order wall connector so what should I do now plz …help me
Go to your account and order history where you can start the order process. Similar to Amazon. You may have to pay a 15% restocking fee so be sure you want to return it.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for watching and subscribing
Thank you for the info. Much appreciated and the outtakes were pretty funny
Thanks!
Appreciate the info
You bet
I thought the level 2 adapter just came with the car. It's far more necessary than the mobile charger in my opinion.
Unsure if it’s still included with the car. It’s definitely not included with the mobile connector now.
@@northerntesla It never was included with the mobile connector, always separately with the car.
@@MLXXXp oh I see. I guess I just assumed with was part of the mobile connector since they throw it in the bag.
You didn’t mention that if you charge at Tesla charge stations, you don’t need to buy any thing.
You don't buy hardware but of course you pay more for electricity and lose the convenience of home charging.
It's also not good for long term health of your battery to strictly use Superchargers.
Super charging only is the same cost as gasoline.
4-6 hours to charge your car or 24 hours you pick.
24 hrs is only if you’re using a 110v outlet. And if you only drive 30 miles daily it will only take a 3-4 hrs
chargergate or elongate?
Chargergate
More likely Elongate.
Based on everything bad has happened, especially with Cybertruck.
Is the wall connector portable?
No but stayed tuned,I have an upcoming product review for a portable option
@@northerntesla okay thanks.
Why not keep your Tesla in your garage?
I have a Mustang in my garage
Excellent video
Thanks!!
Thank ypu!
You're welcome!
Them really having the audacity to try to say
"We made it easier to purchase with the car"😂😂😂😢 like if you don't stop. You know what was easier ? When it came with the 38K + car you bought
Exactly. It's rather ridiculous that you don't get a charging cable with the car. I blame Apple for this nonsense.
Well, of course . . . the chargers would just be tacked onto the price of the car. When I bought my Tesla Model Y, I just mentally added on the $230 cost of the mobile unit (not to mention whatever it was going to cost to wire a 240 vac outlet) to the actual cost. This is just such a no-brainer, I don't understand why there's trouble with the concept. Yes, of course, marketing plays a part in this, but then so does pricing everything with a "99" at the end, as in a bottle of something for $6.99; some people's brains tell them "Hey, it's only 6 bucks . . . I think I'll buy it." Marketing, marketing, marketing.
Great video thank you
Thanks for watching
Good video but audio sucked
I appreciate the feedback. I switched wireless mics after this video so I think the quality is better on more recent videos.
Another reason not to buy a Telsa.
What’s the reason?
I’m curious what reason you’re talking about too. I’m about to buy a Tesla for the first time so I’m listening to everything.
No good explanation
Great video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it