QI | How Did The Pilgrim Fathers Communicate With The Natives?
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- 16 September: On this day in 1620, the Mayflower set sail for America.
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This clip is from QI Series E, Episode 4, 'Exploration' with Stephen Fry, Alan Davies, Bill Bailey, Rich Hall and Sean Lock. 
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How gifted was it, that Stephen let the comedy flow, without jumping in and explaining how incredibly accurate Bill was.
Well yeah, this isn't his first rodeo; don't forget he was in Fry & Laurie before this and even a few episodes of the original 'Whose Line Is It Anyway?' so he knows when to keep quiet.
I frequently return to this video just to hear Bill say Somerset
"Samoset".
Is pronounced Zumerzet. I should know I lived there for ten years.
@Daniel Collin me too....hahahaaaa!!
S-...S-....Suh-mor-saht.
@@ozanyoung2909 Is that a Suite Life of Zack & Cody reference?
Note to myself: "Cheese and a bit of duck" makes Bill go angry. 2:42
More the lack of beer, I suspect.
Best comment on RUclips ever!
That was effing 😂 😂 😂
KangarooFromWaterloo get not go
This has got to be one of the silliest things anyone has ever noticed lmao xD;
Even Sean's face in the very next frame is like offended that Stephen would say such a thing.
Rich may very well have known this already. The story of Squanto and Samoset is well known in America and often taught in schools. That's why he jumps straight to just talking in English to explain that the Pilgrims are not the first in America.
And he's a bit of an American history buff on top of that.
One of my favourite Sean Lock moments. RIP
I came to this video straight away after I heard about Sean Lock - This one makes me laugh so much, he will be missed!
Same here 😢
Same. one of my favourite moments of his
I haven't even seen this moment in some of the Sean compilations, which is strange because I totally agree - this was hilarious!
I can watch Bill Bailey's reaction to the name Samoset over and over and over again.
Kris Viking Somerset?
Somerset. Google it.
I’ve lived in Somerset most of my life, I’ve had three separate instances of old men yelling ‘GET ORF MOI LAAND’ so far
The name of the Wampanoag scout who the Pilgrims met is Samoset. The name of the place in England is Somerset. They're two distinct things.
@@roguishpaladin Yes. That is the joke.
i could watch another 10-20 minutes of the "explorer vs. native" banter
We need an extended cut.
That's quite the adventure. The vibe I got from the story is very similar to some sci-fi. A human gets captured and ends up travelling back and between his home and the advanced and alien civilization that he's the first of his kind to discover. Squanto himself even reminds me of Arthur Dent. He asks for beer and only gets some terrible foreign fowl. Great stuff.
Careful you might lose a finger.
resistance is useless!
Yes, indeed it is science fiction! or rather, science fact, since it really happened. I'll link a sci-fi adaptation here after quoting the first paragraph:
>It has come to my attention that people are woefully uninformed about certain episodes in the Thanksgiving narrative. For example, almost no one mentions the part where Squanto threatens to release a bioweapon buried under Plymouth Rock that will bring about the apocalypse.
slatestarcodex.com/2013/11/28/the-story-of-thanksgiving-is-a-science-fiction-story/
So advanced in fact that one of them tried to sell him into slavery!
@@Moamanly Native Americans had slaves as well.
"to Newfoundland. He found it was too far to walk home." Yeah and that whole thing about it being hard to walk underwater.
Part of the province of Newfoundland is attached to the mainland continent while most of the official province is the huge island.
@@Mimi-cq4bg You're confusing Labrador with Newfoundland. Two separate places but part of the same province.
Squanto sounds like an amazing character. I wonder why there aren't movies about him... oh.
Also because a movie about that would be incredibly boring
I watched a movie called Squanto when I was a kid. I think Adam Beach was Squanto
Because he’s not white therefore trailer trash won’t be able to relate to him
International RTG I don’t know why you’re bringing race into it, people don’t decide to watch a movie on the race of the main character
Jake Clough Every film trailer that comes out with a non-white lead, people in the comments are saying they’re only doing it for political correctness and spouting racist abuse.
And ever since, Americans have been convinced that the natives anywhere in the world will understand their English if only they'd speak loudly and slowly enough.
Even in countries with English as a national language.
Thats everyone from any country with whatever their language is. Have you ever traveled around mate?
donov25 When I had the time I didn't have the money, and now that I have the money I don't have time.
Look at Brits abroad it's the same.
your both right, but the 'mericans have a reputation for it.
RIP and long live Sean Lock (April 22, 1963 - August 16, 2021), aged 58
You will always be remembered as a legend.
Sean's subtle humor is impeccable!
Squanto was definitely a patient man.
Later in life, Squanto, or Tisquantum as he was known to the Wampanoag tribe to which he belonged, was never really trusted by his tribe which questioned his allegiances. While traveling on Cape Cod on an embassy, he fell ill, died, and was buried in what is now the town of Chatham. It is speculated that he was poisoned.
There's a very good reason for that. It's because Squanto was not from the Wampanoag tribe. He was from the Patuxet tribe which was wiped out by disease. Perhaps the reason that Squanto was so willing to integrate himself into pilgrim society was because his people were extinct (except for him), and for the last few years of his life he had spent much of his time in English society.
Rest in peace Sean
This is one of the few clips where everyone was on fire!
It's funny how often one person out of the four ends up not saying a thing.
I shudder at the thought of sea travel in that time. To cross the Atlantic six times just blows my mind. I don’t know how long each journey would have taken but surely you’re looking at least a year of his life in total?
Two months coming, 1 month returning to England. No toilets or bathing.
@@annieseaside Technically they were in a toilet, it just took a lot more skill to hit the water, especially on stormy days.
Sean Lock is a beast. Love his performance.
Glad to see Rich Hall got some gigs with BBC, I remember him on Fridays and SNL during their down years.
He's quite prolific on the UK stand-up circuit and makes regular appearances on British panel shows. Pretty sure he lives here now.
MerkinMuffly
He has a love interest in the U.K. He lives there, now.
@@makinoahcelloduo9008 Yes, I believe you're probably referring to his wife .. then again, maybe not.
I really liked him in the Simpsons.
He's great, live!
I saw him a few years ago, in Derby, & he even let me play his 🎸!
We played CCR's Bad moon rising!
Makes me a bit sad watching this clip hearing the news of Sean's passing this is by far one of my favourite clips of his
Sean Lock had me in floods of tears.
one of my favorite comedians
"Hi how are ya" is so underrated as a joke
I loved bill bailey's Sumerset accent!
I love Bill's reaction when Fry tells him he's right. It's like "I am? Geez, I was just going for the laugh"
They should've caught on that they were right when Fry didn't interrupt them for so long.
CaptHayfever rich saying “hi how are ya” really should’ve given it away, since Stephen seemed astonished by it.
Added factoid: one motivation for Tisquantum throwing in his lot with the weirdly dressed people from the tribe that kept kidnapping him was that his entire tribe was gone. While he was away being kidnapped and sailing around some fisherman visited Massachusetts with either the flu or smallpox and wiped out that particular group.
For Tisquantum it was the Puritans or some neighboring tribe, and he had some status with the English.
Factoid means a fact thats not true
@@ryantaylor4015 ok, “fact”, then.
Its wierd how squanto didnt die of some disease, you'd think going to the very world that harbored the diseases that killed his people in america he would catch something
"One of the most famous was Samosett"
"SOMERSET?"
"GET OFF MY LAHND!"
What a remarkable story ! I'm always surprised what you can find out on RUclips !
Yeah, I was fascinated to learn this all a few months ago when I wrote a lesson plan to teach the biography of Esquantum (ie Squanto) to my second graders. Fascinating life story! There was a lot of trading along the northern coast from New England to Labrador for a few decades before the pilgrims but they didn't teach me that in school.
Indians are even mentioned in Shakespeare.
why do you say "esquantum"?
@@SharinganMan My understanding from what I've read, is that Esquantum is less westernized and closer to his true name.
@@blueconversechucks which readings are those? Are you sure it wasn't "Tisquantum" or somesuch?
@@SharinganMan oh yeah it was! Wow I really garbled that.
such an interesting video , the best one for me. We never got told (Here in the UK) about this in our schools, I really think kids should know this stuff
What's worse is that we weren't tought it in the US either. We were tiught that the Natives knew how to grow food here and so by helped the colonists, but were otherwise "wild and unkempt" It's also now being tought that we "asked them to move westward to make room for newcomers"
That's an actual quote from my brother-in-law's Social Studies book
There's a striking resemblance to the first Japanese man in America. His name was Nakahama Manjiro. A fisherman who shipwrecked and was rescued by an American boat. He became a gold prospector made a fortune, returned to Japan and served the Emperor during the Meiji Restoration (Their updating to contemporary tech, trains, guns, electrictiy, etc.). It's a great bit of history.
Why doesnt someone make a movie about Squanto. That is one of the most interesting lives I have ever heard of. Imagine living in the stone age, then suddenly living in Victorian England.
Stuart England, F. - but I agree.
Well. They did... Disney made it in... 1993 I believe, it wasn't very historically accurate (none are...) but I personally really enjoyed it. (No it wasn't animated.)
what was it called?
Squanto: A Warrior's Tale
1620 wasn't quite the victorian era yet.
One of my favourite moments :)
Sean was brilliant😢 RIP
I about sh*t myself when they went into the Somerset dialect. "Have you got some cider?!"
Rest easy, Sean.
“Get off my land!!”
I'm from Plymouth and even I didn't know that the first native American asked for beer
What a life. Imagine the stories he could've told.
That should be a movie!
It already is, just one riddled with historical inaccuracies:
www.imdb.com/title/tt0111271/
"Summerseeet" 02:15
Somerset- it's a British county where farmers are said to come from
@@joebleasdale5557 - Sounds like Hagrid to my American ears.
@@joebleasdale5557 .."Samoset" was the native name.Samoset was an Abenaki sagamore and the first American Indian to make contact with the Pilgrims of Plymouth Colony. He startled the colonists on March 16, 1621 by walking into Plymouth Colony and greeting them in English
It just hit me that my Mayflower ancestor probably interacted with either or both Squanto and Samoset!
interacted is a nice way of putting it
3:06, generalizing assholes.
You can kind of see that Bill is genuinely annoyed by being solely associated with NMTB.
Najey Rifai Thats why its fun to tease him.
Not half as annoyed as Alan gets about being called 'Jonathan Creek'. He once bit a tramp's ear off for that.
That was the point of the joke. Sean was saying even a native American from the past would associate him with that show, lol.
The ship ride of Squanto sound like journey in London on a weekend.
I had to click just to make sure I was right. And I was. 😁 If you've never been to Plymouth, it's an amazing place. All of the Separatists are represented by actors, but the Wampanoag are represented by their descendents and they will actually talk to you in "real time". The actors stay in character like you are back in the 1620's.
They should make a movie about Squanto.
Barman v. Squanto
The Batman. They have. It was quite good with big name actors.
Squanto: A Warrior's Tale. Look into it.
Yeah, but I imagine the plot would be undercut by the two voyages he had to take when he ended up in Newfoundland and had to go all the way back to england.
fascinating
IMO That “ Hi, how are ya’ “ was very quick 😂
2:13 - Bloody hell - Summo Set. Can't stop laughing.
Even though turkeys are native to the Americas the pilgrim fathers brought their own turkeys with them. By 1620 they were a staple food throughout Western Europe.
If they brought him to Newfoundland, it was more than 'too far to walk home'... they brought him to an island.
Why is this story not a movie?
www.imdb.com/title/tt0111271/ ("inaccurate" but still)
he really didn't want to Squanto this opportunity. Huhehehehehee
wakawooka
Sean Lock: ah, it's a trick question
Me: It's QI...
*reads title*
*immediately thinks* AGGRESSIVELY Lol
it occurs to me after watching this a few times that the Pilgrims being in the radical wing of the Puritans would certainly not have used the book of common prayer
"By the time he'd crossed the Atlantic six time he was fluent in English." - Which he'd learned from talking to sailors... I dare say the pilgrim fathers fair popped their monocles out after the air turned blue.
"hi, how are ya?"
The Mayflower landed in Massachusetts. It's appropriate that the first sentence spoken was "You guys got any beeahs?"
I lived on Samoset Avenue in Hull, Massachusetts....the colony where the Mayflower landed.
Um...no, Hull is definitely further north than the Mayflower landing. Even if Plymouth Rock isn't the exact landing point, the Plymouth colonists definitely settled south of Duxbury - because Massasoit later sells Duxbury to Plymouth Colony.
@@roguishpaladin : Um no...you mis-read my comment.
I was commenting on the name of the street I lived on, SAMOSET, which happened to be in Hull, Massachusetts.
I didn't mean to suggest that the Mayflower landed in Hull.
I did mean to say that Massachusetts was the where the Pilgrims landed albeit in Plymouth which you correctly point out is south of Hull.
"Summerset!"
It's actually spelt 'Somerset'.
@@chrishargreaves8016.. It's actually spelled Samoset.
@@renzo6490 Not the place in England, mate. That''s the joke...
It's spelt Somerset, but people from the west country dont say it like that.
Summerset Isle?
How is Squanto's life not a movie ?
It's a shame that Wednesday wasn't the first person they encountered.
Somerset?!
"He was an interesting fellow, Squanto..." proceeds to list a series of ways in which Squanto is not interesting but actually extremely tragic.
Interesting doesn't necessarily mean good things
Coastline looks like Maine
I'm disappointed that when Stephen paused after "How...?" (0:25), nobody raised their hand and chimed in with "Hau!"
HI HOW ARE YA
samosed is valid portmantou in russian - it means "self-sitting [person]"
3:34 WHAT did you say, Stephen?
0:25 I see what you did there, Stephen.
Muskets.
"Hi- how ya doin'"
X-D
They worked to the method of grab a native, point to a object/landmark, speak loudly and slowly, write down what the native said. That why so many things are What, Your finger, Is this guy nuts.
The idea of the Pilgrims making first contact is very widespread throughout the US; however, for all the faults of our educational system, you can't blame that for this misconception. We *are* taught the proper history of American colonization by the Europeans (or, at least, the proper _timeline;_ certain unsavory events are often left out). Sadly, we have a culture that glorifies ignorance, so students often get the impression that they shouldn't bother paying attention to anything they don't feel they "need" to learn in school.
Thanksgiving is a completely manufactured or construct holiday. It was not, in fact, started by the Pilgrims as we have been taught, or as popularly believed. It was started by another group from England, the Puritans. The “First Thanksgiving” is an etiologic tale, a story told to explain and define the holiday through an account of its alleged origins. It is also an almost exclusively “American” holiday, as most other nations around the world do not have this holiday.
The reason that we have so many myths associated with Thanksgiving, is because it is an invented tradition. It doesn't really originate with any one documented event. It is based on the New England puritan Thanksgiving, which is a religious Thanksgiving, and the traditional harvest celebrations of England and New England and maybe other ideas like commemorating the pilgrims. All of these have been gathered together and transformed into something different from the original parts. Most likely you were taught that Thanksgiving was started by the “Pilgrims”. The traditional story begins with a treacherous Atlantic crossing on the Mayflower, and after the Pilgrims landed, they were helped by local Indians. Then later, after a good harvest, the Pilgrims invited the Indians to the first Thanksgiving. The problem with the traditional Thanksgiving story is that it's a myth. It did not happen, and could not have happened the way the story is told.
Can you imagine landing somewhere with abundant lobster and no butter?
never think you're the first to do anything
In 1615 a french fishing ship was marooned of the cost of new England and they were captured and imprisoned by the Wampanoags who had grown wary of Europeans after a century of contact with European sailors and fishermen, some of which were occasionally kidnapped and enslaved natives. There was supposedly (who can say for sure?) an exchange between one of the french captives and a Wampanoag where the Frenchman said his god would punish the natives for their beastly lifestyle, and the Wampanoag (if Samoset and Tisquantum knew English, then some native who encountered French/Breton fisherman probably knew french) replied with disbelief saying that they were too numerous, and the Frenchman replied that his god had mysterious ways to punish them.
Anyways the 1617 epidemic happened and killed so many of the natives, such that they were terrified of the Europeans. Even though the Wampanoags (and other tribes) still outnumbered the pilgrim settlers and could easily kill them, they were terrified, and that is the background of the first thanksgiving; A bunch of terrified American Indians came and helped the pilgrims establish themselves and they had peace for 50 years. It's honestly hard to blame the pilgrims and natives for giving the events spiritual significant. For the pilgrims it was a complete black swan event which for them was like winning the lottery at least a hundred times in a row, and for the natives it was an apocalyptic event far more devastating than almost anything else in human history.
I mean, Covid so far has killed 0.08% of the global population, and people already treat that event with superstitious significance. Imagine if 90% of everybody you know died within the next 5 years from something you knew almost nothing about, you would be both terrified and desperately grasping for meaning.
I would have thought that his initial 9 years in England would have been enough time to learn English with the help from journeying fishermen!
Our English ancestors were the traditionalists of their time, forging settlements where ones already existed. "Hello, we're living here now. We hate you and we won't leave until you clean up this mess."
Ah, back in the good old days when Stephen Fry hosted, Sean Lock was alive, and hair was in colour.
And here I thought I was going to find out squato didn't actually exist.
Load...Aim...FIRE...Reload...Aim...
One word answer: SAMOSET. Look him up.
“Greetings savage”
Hi how are ya? :d
That's funny; The puritans leave the UK, thinking it too immoral and not strict enough religiously, they arrive on the shores of America and the first thing the locals ask for, is beer! xD
What else would you ask for really...
🍺
Samoset LMAO
We learn these things in 2nd grade in the US. We make "leather" vests out of repeatedly- crumpled paper grocery bags and put on a play for the parents. Hasn't anyone seen the Addams Family?
Eye glasses! 😆 As opposed to ear glasses, nose glasses?
Drinking glasses
You're here for 2:13.
No, his name wasn't "Squanto." His name was "Tisquantum."
Its a nickname, like Bob for Robert.
eye glasses, like you get glasses for your baws
You get glasses for beer.
you get 'a glass' for beer. You cant drink out of multiple glasses. No one goes to the bar and asks for '5 glasses of beer please'
Glasses are descriptive of corrective eye wear but to refer to them as eye glasses is redundant. Like 'womens bra'. its just a bra
someone with friends might. ..
menar ni allvar
It's completely superfluous to add "eye" to glasses when it's clearly referring to spectacles.
Like saying "men's penis"
Kenneth McKay They usually have more than one glass at a bar so they have glasses there, sometimes even in nice stacks. But yeah, it was obvious what was meant here.
WTH!!
Quite sure it was because of Hugh Cabot that sailed and helped refind NewFoundland and the Great Banks for the best fisheries at the time. Since England during Henry VII's time could not actually do so well as the other natio around them. Thus the King sent Cabot in 1497 to find better fisheries. Most likely English fishermen met up with the Aboriginals.
It's better to do the research than to assume. The two sea captains who were most involved with pre-Pilgrim New England are Thomas Hunt (who kidnapped Squanto along with other Wampanoag and almost ruined relations with Europeans forever) and Thomas Dermer (who brought him back and who did what we could to repair the damage with Hunt had done). Both were working under the auspices of John Smith (yes, the one from Jamestown). Smith had set his eyes north after Jamestown was established, looking for other places to expand to. It didn't work out for him, but Dermer's exploration resulted in research that the Pilgrims relied upon later.
Rather like Stargate SG1. Every planet throughout the galaxy speak fluent American English.
Rich is part Native American.
No, he isn't. He did a documentary called, "Inventing the Indian". Also, we don't say "part", even if we're not "fullblood". We say we "are".
they communicated by saying everything very loudly, enunciating every word, ending each word with the letter y and frantically gesturing
So when mankind lands on another inhabitable planet and meets the local tribe, I guess they will be asked if their world still exists because "we came back here to look after ours properly".
Surprised one of them didn't they "Can I have some beer?" as an answer.
jamesaellis they did!