I don't know what the steam forums are on but the Lok-1 is super strong. Overclocks make it even more ridiculous. I would even argue the the lower amo balances the weapon cause of how efficient it can be.
That’s the value the Lok-1 brings to the Engi’s kit: threat management. Engi’s kit is otherwise pretty strong at wave clear (which is kind of the opposite side of the coin to threat management), but suffers when it comes to threats, especially at range. Lok-1 gives Engi an option to round it out
Kicking people for running Smart Rilfe is so neck beard sweaty. The people who do that think that Haz 5 is the hardest the game could every possibly be.
I tend to agree but we must consider players are in different positions. Chasing overclocks, limited time to play etc. Kicking perceived weaknesses might make sense to them even if we don't agree. I'm in the position of just playing for fun, greenbeards Haz 5 EDD all good with me. But I'm not chasing minerals or overclocks now. Also I would never kick someone purely on a equipment choice!
@@GamingExistence Fair points, but in a game that focuses so much on camaraderie that kicking someone for their weapon choice is so far from being Rock And Stone that Karl is spinning so hard in his grave he's basically Driller 2.0.
@@GamingExistence kicking because the player is clearly not ready for the hazard level is fine, after all you probably shouldn’t be doing haz 5 if u just started but kicking because of equipment choice is just…
10 months later and the Lok1 in 21111 with the Explosive chemical round OC and the Shard diffractor with high-intensity heating and hydrogen rupturing is now not only meta an the best allrounder combo for the engi but arguably the best and most effective combo in the game. Shreds hordes and single targets like nothing else at all distances
The LOK-1 gets a lot of it's oomph from overclocks in comparison to the other two guns. This is potentially why so many people hate it. They get a bad first impression when they first unlock the gun and have no overclocks for it, and decide then and there that it is bad. I had a similar issue myself with the stubby, where I decided it was bad when I first unlocked it, and it took me a looong time to come around to liking it.
It still just doesn’t feel right to me, like I can’t quite get my builds with it to scratch the itch, it always feels like I’m sacrificing too much ammo efficiency and accuracy or too much damage The main overclock I do like with it tho is turret EM discharge, electrifying a room with a couple shots is insane
I think Turret Arc & Turret EM Discharge are where the stubby shines. If you plan well w / Repellant Additive & LURE's, you can become very ammo efficient w / the Stubby, but those build are for players who think ahead (as are most Engi builds). Immobilzing Dreadnaughts w / those builds combined w / Spinning Death Breach Cutter's is definitely something worth exploring for you, especially if you get burnt out on the LOK-1 after another million or so promotions (worth noting that Turret EM Discharge might be possible to replicate with Turret Whip Warthog builds w / out sacrificing an OC).
I do d try those stubby builds especially after the weapon balance update. They are fun but I found very situational. I might have to go back and give them a bit more of a try. Thanks for the recommendation!
Alright, I think you've sold me on the LOK now after reading your guide on steam and now watching your videos on it. I had dabbled with it and didn't mind it but I was still primarily a Stubby user for haz 5 and edds, but your recommendation of executioner really changes this gun into the beast it is. That lock on time and crazy damage really elevate it. And now you have serious range and can eliminate threats long before you could dream with the stubby. But it did require me to change my breach build to yours as it was my wave clear but also anti-armor and air. Appreciate the concise info and the backing of numbers to prove your theory, it really cemented it for me to try it for myself and alter other parts of my builds. After so many hours you can fall into a habit and disregard other builds, and I was falling into that. I'm still regularly top damage/kills so I know it's an effective build. I think some people on the forums probably haven't tried this build and just gave into the their preconceived prejudice. Thanks!
So glad you got some use from my videos. Executioner time to kill is pretty insane especially when linked with range and other factors like you say! Good luck with the build! Rock and stone!
My friends and I downloaded this game maybe two or three days ago and all promoted our respective characters in that time. And even before the overclocks I loved this weapon through a lot of different engagements. Can’t wait to do some dives and edd’s and get this build going.
Great video, the stubby is still my old reliable. its gotten me through EDD and plenty of Haz5 matches. The smart rifle is still great at what its design for though.
I've been leaning on stubby for too damn long. I have to admit, I didn't like the Lok-1 when it first dropped, but it's growing on me. What Stubby excels at is giving you a sense of improved safety from the swarm. In those close range engagements, it enables a lazy variant of kiting strategy to work out. Stubby slows with electric, and the electricity can jump from one bug to its neighbors. This lets you just kite even fairly large groups of grunt scale baddies by just running backwards and shooting them. This makes you feel safer. However, let us never forget that as nice as shock, or on fire, or even frozen can be, the most effective status ailment you can apply to any of the denizens of Hoxxes-IV is dead. With the same sort of run and gun kiting play that is just good habits for the other classes, we don't need to rely on that false sense of safety provided by stubby, and in many situations, killing high priority threats faster really can keep us safer in the long run. Rock and stone miners.
It might be the same for me I for most use stubby and worthog and only tried the lok1 once when it was first released maybe I’ll give it another shot in the future but I just love the stubby and it’s great crowd control way too much
Very true but if we want to consider EM discharge for the stubby we should also consider ECR for the Lok. Both are amazing overclocks that change the playstyle of the guns significantly
Personally I think that no gun or even build in drg is necessarily better, you just need to know how to use them properly. GSG did a really great job there.
You've made a great video here about the two weapons and have really highlighted some great strengths about the Lok. I am in the camp that feels that the stubby is the superior weapon but I will say that you have made very compelling points and have done and excellent job highlighting the discrepancies through video. I will say that range is a hard stat to attribute a value to, especially when trying to persuade some of the people you mentioned are dismissive in online forums. nonetheless, it is a very valuable option for a weapon to have and you showed exactly why with threat management. It is apparent to me that I have had the wrong approach with the Lok, this video has helped me see the correct way to approach fights with the gun. Really excited to see what else you got for us.
Thank you so much for the kind comments. Really glad it helped you. Comments like this make me want to work on further videos and that the effort is worth it. Rock and stone! 🙂
not even a minute into the video and im like, do people actually hate it that much ?, yesterday i did a group edd, managed to get around 650 kills with lok1 without ocs and i still had lesser ammo problems than other classes who didnt even manage to get close to that kill count, people were dry while i still had half of my ammo capacity. i mean sometimes with the shotgun you use insane amount of ammo just for one medium range bug, while with lok1 it doesnt even have to use a third of a mag for the same purpose...
It is a very misunderstood gun. Some people use it without Executioner and instantly decide the lock on takes too long. They will fire at everything that moves and run out of ammo and they say it's rubbish. Glad you found it useful and bucked the trend even without overclocks! Rock and stone!
@@GamingExistence its very fun to use, and for very close corner/sticky situations theres always cut breach to send bugs to bug heaven very quickly, i never found the lock on to be too long, its about adjusting how you play, with shotgun and stubby you can be in the bugs face and thats how those weapons are most efficiently used imo. With lok1 you have to sometimes predict in advance, adjust your movement so you are generally more far away/get the most out of your locks as possible(to get all locks/not hit terrain/hit weakpoints etc). the rifle is indeed smart but it also requires some "smart" to play well and i like it. Edit: Rock and Stone!
I’m amazed you are coming back and giving hearts to comments, I started in 2023 and have found the Engineer is my favorite dwarf, I found myself watching this video wondering why you’d be comparing these two weapons at range but remembered this video seems to be put out before the Shard Defractor was added allowing for a Stubby to be your pure wave clear weapon while having the Shard Defractor for range and large targets. I found the Lok1 to be underwhelming but since I really like the Shard Defractor that is probably why, they are overlapping and I lack the crowd control of Electric Stubby, anyways this is an awesome video sir.
I also use the shredder grenades to help with my horde damage which keeps me from being overwhelmed since my entire kit is designed around stopping a horde from overrunning me, since I usually duo queue with my buddy that plays Scout on hazard 5, I’m our crowd control while he’s more single target damage.
@@alister_rage1357 Awesome, glad you liked the video. It's one of my old ones but I made it because the Lok-1 was getting so much hate. With so many stating how the stubby beat it at range which I knew wasn't true. Glad you're liking the engineer and finding some good builds! Rock and stone!
Yeah, I have no idea what the Steam forums are thinking. I don't know what the general consensus is between the two, but my personal experience tells me that the only selling points of the Stubby are the electricity build and its large ammo reserves. I've found the Stubby's damage to be lacking without the electricity, even if I go full damage build (with Slim Rounds).
It's kind of weird that you keep making videos about this gun without ever showcasing the absolute best build: ECR overclock with 21111. Shooting exclusively in 3-lock bursts, you get a free 50 damage area explosion (which causes fear) and a free 36 electric damage over time debuff (which causes slow). This can be done at insane range, in the dark, around corners and ledges. This build transforms the Lok-1 into one of the most efficient and effective guns in the entire game, and it runs circles around the shotty and the stubby.
@@Asys1985 Lok1 has an electric damage modification at 3 locks. Overclock adds a 50 damage explosion, which means 3 bullets becomes extremely efficient . . . . The 50 damage weakens the surrounding swarm, the next 3 damage burst from the LOK1 might kill 8 or 9 grunts clumped together. It is extremely competent and if the LOK1 didnt have such a low ammo capacity, it would easily be the ONLY thing you would ever slot as a primary if you only cared about getting large kill counts.
I was looking for Stubby build ideas to get me back into using it and your vid appeared in the search results, but your vid is basically 30 minutes of why the Stubby sucks and shouldn't be bothered with and I gotta say that's really demotivating.
I didn't even know folks had shade to throw on the lok25(except for the ammo); but regardless your point was made at it's superiority hands down =] ftw
😆 No I actually thought it was a good idea 😵💫 I thought I was going to overlay it with the click to play this other video thing but RUclips won't let me do that 😔
kinda makes me think the shotty and the SMG need a buff/redesign. when i started playing engi i hated the shotgun since you can't even kill a grunt with one shot without aiming at the head at stupidly close range, not to mention spitters on the roof. stubby was a god send in comparison. haven't unlocked the lok-1 as i was busy and just happy with the stubby.
The Stubby can have great ammo effectiveness over a run. The issue is that comes at the cost of burst DPS and making your time to kill longer. The crowd control on electrocution is nice though.
My main issue with the shotgun is that it doesn't have enough amo especially in comparison to the stubby and Lok-1 funnily enough. People say the Lok isn't amo efficient but I find the shotgun is the worst out of the 3.
I could never understand the people complaining that the LOK-1 is bad at close range. Maybe I'm weird for doing this, but since I already have such good single-target damage with an Executioner build, I just run the PGL with max ammo and incendiary compound as my secondary. That thing just *erases* trash mobs and barely deals any self-damage, so if I'm surrounded by bugs I can just slam them in the face with a grenade, catch a breather and let the weak ones burn during the fear proc, then use the smartgun to shred through what's left in one or two shots each. Or just let the sentries cut them down. I know some people *worship* the Breach Cutter, but the PGL synergizes so well with the LOK it's just silly to ignore it. Also, Executioner just *humiliates* OMEN Tower events. Put a platform above the slicer terminal so you can hack it from safety and you just trivialize the damn thing. It's amazing.
If a build works for you and you get great success and enjoyment from it I think go for it! I know have some strong bias opinions. I have never likes shotguns or RPG launchers so will often shy away from them. Good to get other views across. Great tip on the Omen, i will have to see what I can do about getting above it!
@@GamingExistence If it's a matter of personal taste that's perfectly fine. What I don't like are people trash-talking a weapon/build's utility not because it doesn't do what it's supposed to, but just because they personally don't like it. If you prefer the Breach Cutter, that's awesome. It's a great gun, and I used it almost exclusively for a long time. But when people trash talk the LOK-1 because they don't even want to consider using the PGL to compensate for its one weakness it feels like they're missing the point. :P Anyway, as for the OMEN, with a little bit of practice you can eyeball the height on the Radial Pulse Gun's purple arcs and place a platform on the hacking pad just above that height. If you then stand on that platform you can hack the Radial Pulse Gun without any trouble, and you'll be too high up for the Heavy Burster (if present) to detect you. Place your sentries a little to the sides and they'll deal with most drones from a Drone Replicator. Once the Radial Pulse Gun is dealt with, you can basically deal with the rest of the tower at your leisure. Works even better in groups since the explosive drones will be splitting their attention between you and your teammates. Damage-wise, Executioner just *rips* through the health on the cooling tanks, since they're treated as weak spots and the gun locks on them directly. So you don't even have to aim. Just lock onto the cooling tank that's facing you, and watch the module's health melt away. It's great.
@@HoltzWorks Yeah I see where you are coming from. Hopefully I got the balance ok in my video. I also tried to say it can be personal preference and I was biased to the breach cutter. Hopefully covered my backside there 😊 Great information on the omen, I will have to try it out next time I run into one! I had 5 in a row the other day so likely won't see one for ages now! 😋 *Edit* just realised this comment is not for the video I was talking about! In my Lok-1 overclock analysis video. I say it's personal preference and I have a bias to the breach cutter.
This is kinda like apples and oranges the stubby and the lok1 I targeted at 2 different types of use cases the stubby excels at dealing with crowds at semi close range mean while the lok1 most is great at dispatching individual targets in seconds obviously ocs can change this but at the end of the day it just depends on what you are going for
this video irks me. yeah the stubby is gonna take longer to kill a menace at range when your gun as a insane damage overclock and having the stubby using a electric loadout. or a loadout not spec's properly for damage. and then goes on to say it take 24 seconds to kill a praetorian whilst the stubby is under horrible conditions and then compares it to the loki under PERFECT CONDITIONS.
9 seconds into the timer he actually starts damaging the opresser with the stubby. 15:41. this video is super flawed in its comparisons and is riddled with just horribly inconsistent circumstances.
i don't want to come off as an absolute jerk wad but i just wanted to point out the bias that was presented in this video. and I don't want people to think that the stubby is bad. i think the guns are very similar and comparable but are in very different roles.
I'm actually surprised that people still can't stand weapons having different functions. They simply need something to be "BeTtEr". I hate people who just goes for min maxing gameplay, so boring. Play what you like and be happy
Yeah... Smart rifle can function as a long range weapon. Stubby is better for up close crowds because of it's electric slow. It's great at slowing things down enough for your turrets and robot grenades to work down the crowd. I haven't played much Neuro lasso though so I'd be curious how that fares against the stubby
I've only just started playing Engineer and I'm not really liking his weapons at all at the moment. I haven't unlocked the Lok-1 or Breach Cutter yet, though. Not keen on the stubby or shotgun at all. I think I might have spoilt myself by playing Driller first. He has way too much agency and I like all his weapons. I'm struggling to play other classes now lol.
Yeah Driller is my second facourite I think, very fun to use and cryo cannon is borderline broken. The stubby I found was ok but similar to you was never really in love with it. Super slim rounds crowd control with poking swarms to slow and dot whilst others killed gets old quite quickly I found. Breach cutter is amazing and hopefully you will enjoy the lok-1 as much as I do. Rock and stone!
@@GamingExistence I've been following this game for years jealously, praying it would come to Playstation. You don't even know how happy I am. Been so jealous of PC and Xbox, I've wanted this game so bad haha. One of my favourite games is Helldivers, ever played it? DRG reminds me of it and ever since I first saw DRG I've watched guides and people playing it even though I couldn't myself. Now I finally can. Rock and Stone!
@@cheatermccheat6378 Amazing, so glad you got it! Yes I have Helldivers but not played it much. I did not realise the local co-op is a bit rubbish but my brother has it and we will one day get round to doing it! Good luck with DRG! Rock and stone brother!
The funny thing is, id argue the stubby is rather underpowered; its ammo ineffeicent, its dps is the weakest of the three and its crowd control is less impressive Warthog is the best ammo effiency, has better dps at close range and turret whip gives way better crowd control thats much easy to position than turret emp (and doesnt sacrifice the oc to do it). Even at mid to long, MPA is better for sniping weak points. Smart rifle obviously has way better dps, ECR is better for crowds. Hell even fucking seeker rounds is a much better build for just general use compared to to stubby; straight up in most of the tests, using seeker gets better results than stubby, and its often considered the most underpowered oc, try it with inferno on breach cutter. It aint the best but ive had way more fun and consistent results than anything ive tried with stubby. Stubbys single target builds are slower, work only at close range and cost too much ammo, and eletrical build for crowds doesnt really kill the crowds because the actual damage to the electricty is pretty poor, not even killing grunts that are at half hp. Besides, all of engies secondaries are better suited for cc than his primaries. I think stubby suffers both from poor base stats and really weak OCs, with half of them having the same effect as the others (why did GSG make both the unstables have basically the same effect. One is always going to be weaker) Esepcailly post EMP discharge nerf its hella clunky to use. I dont knwo what id change with stubby but its due a buff for sure
Light weight rounds is for ammo efficiency and reduces fire rate and damage. Did not want to impose that minus onto these tests. Also the builds I took are the two most popular and the two I generally use also. If I did the video with light weight rounds for sure I would have more people saying I sandbagged the stubby and of course it performed worse because it had less damage and fire rate. Hope that makes some sense 🙂
Tbh I have the polar opposite opinion. How do people unironically use the stubby? It doesn't do anything well except shocking targets, and it doesn't even have a monopoly on that anymore ever since LOK-1 was introduced. I'd genuinely rather snipe distant targets with the warthog than the stubby. And I'm talking base warthog with choke. Magnetic pellet alignment hog vs stubby at range makes stubby look like a bad joke, and given that the warthog is literally a shotgun, it's got stubby beat close range too.
Do people actually hate the LOK-1? I’ve been using it since I’ve unlocked with zero overclocks and am running through haz 4s no problem, absolutely love the gun!
This seems like a 30 min video just to say "Stubby is ammo efficiency against basic enemys at short range, while Lok-1 is high damage against important enemies at long range."
Thanks for the kind comment. If ECR is the explosive chemical rounds overclock, I haven't. That one focuses more on hordes and less on big threats so a different role to the executioner build used. If ECR is the tier 3 upgrade, yes I have done some testing including taking tier 5 electrocution and inferno on the breach cutter. It's viable but I feel weakens you against dreadnoughts and oppressors, also the lack of blowthrough on the hordes when you need it in a pinch!
@@GamingExistence I was refering to the overclock, Explosive Chemical Rounds. I like it a lot, but like you said I think it focuses more on hordes. I like to pair it with the Inferno BC. Since I still have to get my hands on the Executioner OC, I just wondered if a comparison between both was worth it. Thanks for the reply!
@@vfpetermann I have a full engineer build video I'm currently working on. I might either include in that video or make a different video going over the differences and options for the Lok-1 overclocks. Thanks for idea and I will cross my fingers you get the Executioner overclock soon!
I don't mean this in a negative way it's more humor but I feel like this whole video is just copium. I mean yes you have a slight advantage in something no one is concerned with at the cost of not doing the thing everyone wants as well as literally any other loadout lol. I feel like this video is a guy walking into a car lot to buy a Honda and you try to sell him a dragster by getting him to forget he cares about gas mileage and impressing him with a 9 second quarter mile lol and he's super excited until he goes to get groceries and runs out of gas before he gets home with them lol.
Lol love the analogy! yeah I get where you are coming from! :D I guess it depends on your viewpoint! I'm selling you a dragster for if you want to use it in a drag race. If you want to use is it in the 24 hours then stop looking at the dragster :p
@@GamingExistence LOL yeah that is true if I had zero ammo concerns the smart rifle is tons of fun to play with if it had the same ammo efficiency as other weapons in-game it would be my go-to. LOL use some of your big-time influencer clout and make them give us increases to Total ammo on each promotion so that smart rifle can eventually get it's time to shine
@@shokrum Big time influencer clout 😆 I have less than 600 subscribers! But!! Check out my video "Fixing the Lok-1?" I have already tried to do as you command! Rock and stone!
@@GamingExistence LOL yeah I was just teasing! However who knows a year from now you could be at 600k the trick is you have to create some sort of weird controversy maybe challenge another Drg streamer to a boxing match lol or steal doctor disrespects 1980s Lamborghini
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I don't know what the steam forums are on but the Lok-1 is super strong. Overclocks make it even more ridiculous. I would even argue the the lower amo balances the weapon cause of how efficient it can be.
anyone can say anything there, most thinks they know what they're talking about
That’s the value the Lok-1 brings to the Engi’s kit: threat management. Engi’s kit is otherwise pretty strong at wave clear (which is kind of the opposite side of the coin to threat management), but suffers when it comes to threats, especially at range. Lok-1 gives Engi an option to round it out
Yep, totally agree.
I don't understand the hate. The engineer's secondaries provide amazing wave clear. It's almost overkill to have a wave clear primary as well.
Kicking people for running Smart Rilfe is so neck beard sweaty. The people who do that think that Haz 5 is the hardest the game could every possibly be.
I tend to agree but we must consider players are in different positions. Chasing overclocks, limited time to play etc. Kicking perceived weaknesses might make sense to them even if we don't agree. I'm in the position of just playing for fun, greenbeards Haz 5 EDD all good with me. But I'm not chasing minerals or overclocks now. Also I would never kick someone purely on a equipment choice!
@@GamingExistence Fair points, but in a game that focuses so much on camaraderie that kicking someone for their weapon choice is so far from being Rock And Stone that Karl is spinning so hard in his grave he's basically Driller 2.0.
Yeah kicking people for weapon choice is a leaf lover mindset.
@@GamingExistence kicking because the player is clearly not ready for the hazard level is fine, after all you probably shouldn’t be doing haz 5 if u just started but kicking because of equipment choice is just…
I've met so many of these, a guy who kicks anyone using hurricane, anyone playing scout, anyone mining with epc and anyone using autocannon.
10 months later and the Lok1 in 21111 with the Explosive chemical round OC and the Shard diffractor with high-intensity heating and hydrogen rupturing is now not only meta an the best allrounder combo for the engi but arguably the best and most effective combo in the game. Shreds hordes and single targets like nothing else at all distances
Remember guys that total ammo pool of both weapons is different. Better take in % of how much ammo been used.
The LOK-1 gets a lot of it's oomph from overclocks in comparison to the other two guns. This is potentially why so many people hate it. They get a bad first impression when they first unlock the gun and have no overclocks for it, and decide then and there that it is bad. I had a similar issue myself with the stubby, where I decided it was bad when I first unlocked it, and it took me a looong time to come around to liking it.
Yeah, a lack of good overclocks and default high amount of locks and slow acquisition rate don't help also.
It still just doesn’t feel right to me, like I can’t quite get my builds with it to scratch the itch, it always feels like I’m sacrificing too much ammo efficiency and accuracy or too much damage
The main overclock I do like with it tho is turret EM discharge, electrifying a room with a couple shots is insane
After using the lok-1 I personally think the only problem is ammo capacity
I'd love an overclock that gives more ammo and lowers the damage.
Take ammo in the first tier and you are all set
@@Ares-fk6ywyea the extra dmg is nice but u don’t even notice it but I promise u gone notice the extra ammo
I think Turret Arc & Turret EM Discharge are where the stubby shines. If you plan well w / Repellant Additive & LURE's, you can become very ammo efficient w / the Stubby, but those build are for players who think ahead (as are most Engi builds).
Immobilzing Dreadnaughts w / those builds combined w / Spinning Death Breach Cutter's is definitely something worth exploring for you, especially if you get burnt out on the LOK-1 after another million or so promotions (worth noting that Turret EM Discharge might be possible to replicate with Turret Whip Warthog builds w / out sacrificing an OC).
I do d try those stubby builds especially after the weapon balance update. They are fun but I found very situational.
I might have to go back and give them a bit more of a try. Thanks for the recommendation!
Alright, I think you've sold me on the LOK now after reading your guide on steam and now watching your videos on it. I had dabbled with it and didn't mind it but I was still primarily a Stubby user for haz 5 and edds, but your recommendation of executioner really changes this gun into the beast it is. That lock on time and crazy damage really elevate it. And now you have serious range and can eliminate threats long before you could dream with the stubby. But it did require me to change my breach build to yours as it was my wave clear but also anti-armor and air.
Appreciate the concise info and the backing of numbers to prove your theory, it really cemented it for me to try it for myself and alter other parts of my builds. After so many hours you can fall into a habit and disregard other builds, and I was falling into that. I'm still regularly top damage/kills so I know it's an effective build. I think some people on the forums probably haven't tried this build and just gave into the their preconceived prejudice. Thanks!
So glad you got some use from my videos. Executioner time to kill is pretty insane especially when linked with range and other factors like you say!
Good luck with the build! Rock and stone!
Just unlocked this gun and excited to give it a proper shot, these videos are helpful.
Hope you enjoy it! Rock and stone!
My friends and I downloaded this game maybe two or three days ago and all promoted our respective characters in that time. And even before the overclocks I loved this weapon through a lot of different engagements. Can’t wait to do some dives and edd’s and get this build going.
Awesome! I hope you enjoy and welcome to Hoxxes! Rock and stone!
Great video, the stubby is still my old reliable. its gotten me through EDD and plenty of Haz5 matches. The smart rifle is still great at what its design for though.
Yep, two different play styles. Something people are finding hard to adjust to.
Could you share your stubby build?
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I've been leaning on stubby for too damn long. I have to admit, I didn't like the Lok-1 when it first dropped, but it's growing on me. What Stubby excels at is giving you a sense of improved safety from the swarm. In those close range engagements, it enables a lazy variant of kiting strategy to work out. Stubby slows with electric, and the electricity can jump from one bug to its neighbors. This lets you just kite even fairly large groups of grunt scale baddies by just running backwards and shooting them. This makes you feel safer.
However, let us never forget that as nice as shock, or on fire, or even frozen can be, the most effective status ailment you can apply to any of the denizens of Hoxxes-IV is dead. With the same sort of run and gun kiting play that is just good habits for the other classes, we don't need to rely on that false sense of safety provided by stubby, and in many situations, killing high priority threats faster really can keep us safer in the long run.
Rock and stone miners.
It might be the same for me I for most use stubby and worthog and only tried the lok1 once when it was first released maybe I’ll give it another shot in the future but I just love the stubby and it’s great crowd control way too much
"Stubby is so bad"
*EM Discharge enters the chat* (even after the turret nerf EMD is still busted and does stubby justice)
Very true but if we want to consider EM discharge for the stubby we should also consider ECR for the Lok. Both are amazing overclocks that change the playstyle of the guns significantly
Personally I think that no gun or even build in drg is necessarily better, you just need to know how to use them properly. GSG did a really great job there.
I liked the video purely for that slick-ass drive-by webber shot clip at the end.
You've made a great video here about the two weapons and have really highlighted some great strengths about the Lok. I am in the camp that feels that the stubby is the superior weapon but I will say that you have made very compelling points and have done and excellent job highlighting the discrepancies through video. I will say that range is a hard stat to attribute a value to, especially when trying to persuade some of the people you mentioned are dismissive in online forums. nonetheless, it is a very valuable option for a weapon to have and you showed exactly why with threat management. It is apparent to me that I have had the wrong approach with the Lok, this video has helped me see the correct way to approach fights with the gun. Really excited to see what else you got for us.
Thank you so much for the kind comments. Really glad it helped you.
Comments like this make me want to work on further videos and that the effort is worth it. Rock and stone! 🙂
not even a minute into the video and im like, do people actually hate it that much ?, yesterday i did a group edd, managed to get around 650 kills with lok1 without ocs and i still had lesser ammo problems than other classes who didnt even manage to get close to that kill count, people were dry while i still had half of my ammo capacity. i mean sometimes with the shotgun you use insane amount of ammo just for one medium range bug, while with lok1 it doesnt even have to use a third of a mag for the same purpose...
It is a very misunderstood gun. Some people use it without Executioner and instantly decide the lock on takes too long. They will fire at everything that moves and run out of ammo and they say it's rubbish.
Glad you found it useful and bucked the trend even without overclocks! Rock and stone!
@@GamingExistence its very fun to use, and for very close corner/sticky situations theres always cut breach to send bugs to bug heaven very quickly, i never found the lock on to be too long, its about adjusting how you play, with shotgun and stubby you can be in the bugs face and thats how those weapons are most efficiently used imo. With lok1 you have to sometimes predict in advance, adjust your movement so you are generally more far away/get the most out of your locks as possible(to get all locks/not hit terrain/hit weakpoints etc). the rifle is indeed smart but it also requires some "smart" to play well and i like it.
Edit: Rock and Stone!
@@frozby5973 Well said! Couldn't agree more 🙂👍
Why is there an issue on a gun that requires less aim skill to begin with?
I’m amazed you are coming back and giving hearts to comments, I started in 2023 and have found the Engineer is my favorite dwarf, I found myself watching this video wondering why you’d be comparing these two weapons at range but remembered this video seems to be put out before the Shard Defractor was added allowing for a Stubby to be your pure wave clear weapon while having the Shard Defractor for range and large targets. I found the Lok1 to be underwhelming but since I really like the Shard Defractor that is probably why, they are overlapping and I lack the crowd control of Electric Stubby, anyways this is an awesome video sir.
I also use the shredder grenades to help with my horde damage which keeps me from being overwhelmed since my entire kit is designed around stopping a horde from overrunning me, since I usually duo queue with my buddy that plays Scout on hazard 5, I’m our crowd control while he’s more single target damage.
@@alister_rage1357 Awesome, glad you liked the video. It's one of my old ones but I made it because the Lok-1 was getting so much hate. With so many stating how the stubby beat it at range which I knew wasn't true.
Glad you're liking the engineer and finding some good builds! Rock and stone!
Engineer is my main and my usual build is the lok-1 with ECR OC and breach cutter with the extra ammo OC and I never have any real problems
great job, thx !
Yeah, I have no idea what the Steam forums are thinking. I don't know what the general consensus is between the two, but my personal experience tells me that the only selling points of the Stubby are the electricity build and its large ammo reserves. I've found the Stubby's damage to be lacking without the electricity, even if I go full damage build (with Slim Rounds).
great break down.
It's kind of weird that you keep making videos about this gun without ever showcasing the absolute best build: ECR overclock with 21111. Shooting exclusively in 3-lock bursts, you get a free 50 damage area explosion (which causes fear) and a free 36 electric damage over time debuff (which causes slow). This can be done at insane range, in the dark, around corners and ledges. This build transforms the Lok-1 into one of the most efficient and effective guns in the entire game, and it runs circles around the shotty and the stubby.
Can you explain this build some more? Breech cutter to?
I love and support this build. I get the build that he’s trying to champion in this video, but I can’t make it work as well for my play-style.
@@Asys1985 Lok1 has an electric damage modification at 3 locks. Overclock adds a 50 damage explosion, which means 3 bullets becomes extremely efficient . . . . The 50 damage weakens the surrounding swarm, the next 3 damage burst from the LOK1 might kill 8 or 9 grunts clumped together. It is extremely competent and if the LOK1 didnt have such a low ammo capacity, it would easily be the ONLY thing you would ever slot as a primary if you only cared about getting large kill counts.
Agreed it's the only OC for me 🙂 so good
I believe they've already discussed why ECR is inferior
I was looking for Stubby build ideas to get me back into using it and your vid appeared in the search results, but your vid is basically 30 minutes of why the Stubby sucks and shouldn't be bothered with and I gotta say that's really demotivating.
I didn't even know folks had shade to throw on the lok25(except for the ammo); but regardless your point was made at it's superiority hands down =] ftw
did you make like a bet with someone that you could put that image at the end of the video for ten straight seconds and no one would notice
😆 No I actually thought it was a good idea 😵💫 I thought I was going to overlay it with the click to play this other video thing but RUclips won't let me do that 😔
Ah. Unfortunate. I do hope your channel manages to grow enough to be able to- assuming it's like, number-gated like a lot of features appear to be.
@@ecbrd8478 I think it's actually a resolution issue but thank you for the kind words of support! I appreciate it 😊
nice vid,
My only complaint is always just that the smart rifle burns through its limited ammo too fast otherwise i love it
kinda makes me think the shotty and the SMG need a buff/redesign. when i started playing engi i hated the shotgun since you can't even kill a grunt with one shot without aiming at the head at stupidly close range, not to mention spitters on the roof. stubby was a god send in comparison. haven't unlocked the lok-1 as i was busy and just happy with the stubby.
The Stubby can have great ammo effectiveness over a run. The issue is that comes at the cost of burst DPS and making your time to kill longer. The crowd control on electrocution is nice though.
My main issue with the shotgun is that it doesn't have enough amo especially in comparison to the stubby and Lok-1 funnily enough. People say the Lok isn't amo efficient but I find the shotgun is the worst out of the 3.
still waiting for the ammo buff :(
You are a genius. Very Well done on defending the weapon
Solid vid
I could never understand the people complaining that the LOK-1 is bad at close range.
Maybe I'm weird for doing this, but since I already have such good single-target damage with an Executioner build, I just run the PGL with max ammo and incendiary compound as my secondary. That thing just *erases* trash mobs and barely deals any self-damage, so if I'm surrounded by bugs I can just slam them in the face with a grenade, catch a breather and let the weak ones burn during the fear proc, then use the smartgun to shred through what's left in one or two shots each. Or just let the sentries cut them down.
I know some people *worship* the Breach Cutter, but the PGL synergizes so well with the LOK it's just silly to ignore it. Also, Executioner just *humiliates* OMEN Tower events. Put a platform above the slicer terminal so you can hack it from safety and you just trivialize the damn thing. It's amazing.
If a build works for you and you get great success and enjoyment from it I think go for it!
I know have some strong bias opinions. I have never likes shotguns or RPG launchers so will often shy away from them. Good to get other views across.
Great tip on the Omen, i will have to see what I can do about getting above it!
@@GamingExistence If it's a matter of personal taste that's perfectly fine. What I don't like are people trash-talking a weapon/build's utility not because it doesn't do what it's supposed to, but just because they personally don't like it. If you prefer the Breach Cutter, that's awesome. It's a great gun, and I used it almost exclusively for a long time. But when people trash talk the LOK-1 because they don't even want to consider using the PGL to compensate for its one weakness it feels like they're missing the point. :P
Anyway, as for the OMEN, with a little bit of practice you can eyeball the height on the Radial Pulse Gun's purple arcs and place a platform on the hacking pad just above that height. If you then stand on that platform you can hack the Radial Pulse Gun without any trouble, and you'll be too high up for the Heavy Burster (if present) to detect you. Place your sentries a little to the sides and they'll deal with most drones from a Drone Replicator. Once the Radial Pulse Gun is dealt with, you can basically deal with the rest of the tower at your leisure. Works even better in groups since the explosive drones will be splitting their attention between you and your teammates.
Damage-wise, Executioner just *rips* through the health on the cooling tanks, since they're treated as weak spots and the gun locks on them directly. So you don't even have to aim. Just lock onto the cooling tank that's facing you, and watch the module's health melt away. It's great.
@@HoltzWorks Yeah I see where you are coming from. Hopefully I got the balance ok in my video. I also tried to say it can be personal preference and I was biased to the breach cutter. Hopefully covered my backside there 😊
Great information on the omen, I will have to try it out next time I run into one! I had 5 in a row the other day so likely won't see one for ages now! 😋
*Edit* just realised this comment is not for the video I was talking about! In my Lok-1 overclock analysis video. I say it's personal preference and I have a bias to the breach cutter.
This is kinda like apples and oranges the stubby and the lok1 I targeted at 2 different types of use cases the stubby excels at dealing with crowds at semi close range mean while the lok1 most is great at dispatching individual targets in seconds obviously ocs can change this but at the end of the day it just depends on what you are going for
Lok1 is Awesome period🤘
this video irks me. yeah the stubby is gonna take longer to kill a menace at range when your gun as a insane damage overclock and having the stubby using a electric loadout. or a loadout not spec's properly for damage. and then goes on to say it take 24 seconds to kill a praetorian whilst the stubby is under horrible conditions and then compares it to the loki under PERFECT CONDITIONS.
9 seconds into the timer he actually starts damaging the opresser with the stubby. 15:41. this video is super flawed in its comparisons and is riddled with just horribly inconsistent circumstances.
i don't want to come off as an absolute jerk wad but i just wanted to point out the bias that was presented in this video. and I don't want people to think that the stubby is bad. i think the guns are very similar and comparable but are in very different roles.
I'm actually surprised that people still can't stand weapons having different functions. They simply need something to be "BeTtEr". I hate people who just goes for min maxing gameplay, so boring. Play what you like and be happy
Yeah... Smart rifle can function as a long range weapon. Stubby is better for up close crowds because of it's electric slow. It's great at slowing things down enough for your turrets and robot grenades to work down the crowd. I haven't played much Neuro lasso though so I'd be curious how that fares against the stubby
Wanna compare a shotgun with lok-1? Oooooo they so identical
Whats that weapon skin you use btw (the one with the light bars) its looks really cool!
Neon. You unlock from loot crates. Was one of my last ones to unlock 😭
Make a timestamps.
That will be very convenient!
I think I have done it!
@@GamingExistence yea, thx
Stubby is bad at long range and single target dps. Then why not pair it with shard diffractor or hyper propellant PGL?
As he demonstrated, still wouldn't take down targets at range as fast as smart rifle.
But ultimately, any build will work.
I've only just started playing Engineer and I'm not really liking his weapons at all at the moment. I haven't unlocked the Lok-1 or Breach Cutter yet, though. Not keen on the stubby or shotgun at all.
I think I might have spoilt myself by playing Driller first. He has way too much agency and I like all his weapons. I'm struggling to play other classes now lol.
Yeah Driller is my second facourite I think, very fun to use and cryo cannon is borderline broken. The stubby I found was ok but similar to you was never really in love with it. Super slim rounds crowd control with poking swarms to slow and dot whilst others killed gets old quite quickly I found.
Breach cutter is amazing and hopefully you will enjoy the lok-1 as much as I do. Rock and stone!
@@GamingExistence I've been following this game for years jealously, praying it would come to Playstation. You don't even know how happy I am. Been so jealous of PC and Xbox, I've wanted this game so bad haha. One of my favourite games is Helldivers, ever played it? DRG reminds me of it and ever since I first saw DRG I've watched guides and people playing it even though I couldn't myself. Now I finally can. Rock and Stone!
@@cheatermccheat6378 Amazing, so glad you got it! Yes I have Helldivers but not played it much. I did not realise the local co-op is a bit rubbish but my brother has it and we will one day get round to doing it! Good luck with DRG! Rock and stone brother!
Good gun
The funny thing is, id argue the stubby is rather underpowered; its ammo ineffeicent, its dps is the weakest of the three and its crowd control is less impressive
Warthog is the best ammo effiency, has better dps at close range and turret whip gives way better crowd control thats much easy to position than turret emp (and doesnt sacrifice the oc to do it). Even at mid to long, MPA is better for sniping weak points.
Smart rifle obviously has way better dps, ECR is better for crowds. Hell even fucking seeker rounds is a much better build for just general use compared to to stubby; straight up in most of the tests, using seeker gets better results than stubby, and its often considered the most underpowered oc, try it with inferno on breach cutter. It aint the best but ive had way more fun and consistent results than anything ive tried with stubby.
Stubbys single target builds are slower, work only at close range and cost too much ammo, and eletrical build for crowds doesnt really kill the crowds because the actual damage to the electricty is pretty poor, not even killing grunts that are at half hp. Besides, all of engies secondaries are better suited for cc than his primaries.
I think stubby suffers both from poor base stats and really weak OCs, with half of them having the same effect as the others (why did GSG make both the unstables have basically the same effect. One is always going to be weaker) Esepcailly post EMP discharge nerf its hella clunky to use. I dont knwo what id change with stubby but its due a buff for sure
Empty magazine is not an opinion.
why not light-weight rounds on stubby?
Light weight rounds is for ammo efficiency and reduces fire rate and damage. Did not want to impose that minus onto these tests. Also the builds I took are the two most popular and the two I generally use also.
If I did the video with light weight rounds for sure I would have more people saying I sandbagged the stubby and of course it performed worse because it had less damage and fire rate.
Hope that makes some sense 🙂
Tbh I have the polar opposite opinion. How do people unironically use the stubby? It doesn't do anything well except shocking targets, and it doesn't even have a monopoly on that anymore ever since LOK-1 was introduced. I'd genuinely rather snipe distant targets with the warthog than the stubby. And I'm talking base warthog with choke. Magnetic pellet alignment hog vs stubby at range makes stubby look like a bad joke, and given that the warthog is literally a shotgun, it's got stubby beat close range too.
Do people actually hate the LOK-1? I’ve been using it since I’ve unlocked with zero overclocks and am running through haz 4s no problem, absolutely love the gun!
Yeah they really do! In the description is my steam post with a poll. You will some hate towards it in those posts!
That LOK needs a CAR to go with it /s
This seems like a 30 min video just to say "Stubby is ammo efficiency against basic enemys at short range, while Lok-1 is high damage against important enemies at long range."
Some people need to see this video to believe it
GeorgeNotFound is that you???
/s
Edit: also, the stubby and warthog don't come anywhere close to the damage which the LOK-1 dishes out.
Anti crowd stubby+ hyper propelant. And also quite ignorant to compare two with only loadout that you personally enjoy
Amazing video, well done.
Have you by any chance compared the performance of the LOK-1with Executioner vs ECR?
Would be nice to check it.
Thanks for the kind comment. If ECR is the explosive chemical rounds overclock, I haven't. That one focuses more on hordes and less on big threats so a different role to the executioner build used.
If ECR is the tier 3 upgrade, yes I have done some testing including taking tier 5 electrocution and inferno on the breach cutter. It's viable but I feel weakens you against dreadnoughts and oppressors, also the lack of blowthrough on the hordes when you need it in a pinch!
@@GamingExistence I was refering to the overclock, Explosive Chemical Rounds.
I like it a lot, but like you said I think it focuses more on hordes. I like to pair it with the Inferno BC.
Since I still have to get my hands on the Executioner OC, I just wondered if a comparison between both was worth it.
Thanks for the reply!
@@vfpetermann I have a full engineer build video I'm currently working on. I might either include in that video or make a different video going over the differences and options for the Lok-1 overclocks. Thanks for idea and I will cross my fingers you get the Executioner overclock soon!
oh i get it, the loki is actually better than stubby, so i should be kicking the engis that run that weapon instead
Me like small gun
I don't mean this in a negative way it's more humor but I feel like this whole video is just copium. I mean yes you have a slight advantage in something no one is concerned with at the cost of not doing the thing everyone wants as well as literally any other loadout lol.
I feel like this video is a guy walking into a car lot to buy a Honda and you try to sell him a dragster by getting him to forget he cares about gas mileage and impressing him with a 9 second quarter mile lol and he's super excited until he goes to get groceries and runs out of gas before he gets home with them lol.
Lol love the analogy! yeah I get where you are coming from! :D
I guess it depends on your viewpoint! I'm selling you a dragster for if you want to use it in a drag race. If you want to use is it in the 24 hours then stop looking at the dragster :p
@@GamingExistence LOL yeah that is true if I had zero ammo concerns the smart rifle is tons of fun to play with if it had the same ammo efficiency as other weapons in-game it would be my go-to.
LOL use some of your big-time influencer clout and make them give us increases to Total ammo on each promotion so that smart rifle can eventually get it's time to shine
@@shokrum Big time influencer clout 😆 I have less than 600 subscribers! But!! Check out my video "Fixing the Lok-1?" I have already tried to do as you command! Rock and stone!
@@GamingExistence LOL yeah I was just teasing! However who knows a year from now you could be at 600k the trick is you have to create some sort of weird controversy maybe challenge another Drg streamer to a boxing match lol or steal doctor disrespects 1980s Lamborghini
still waiting for the ammo buff :(