IRL Astronomy: Yes we have actually imaged a few VERY near by extra-galactic "rogue" stars - and the background light curve of "empty" space indicates there should be LOTS of them between galaxies, just too small to see at those ranges.
Not too small, rather too faint to easily detect without spending a massive time budget collecting light in a random ass direction with little to no guarantee of meaningful scientific return on the data collected.
yep was going to come here to say that. Nothing super special about the "boundary" of galaxies other than that is where gravity has those particular stars fall.
The 10-C are truly one of the most fascinating species the Federation ever encountered. I hope we see more of them in future seasons and that they're not forgotten, like so many other interesting civilisations in Star Trek.
Indeed! Actually the idea for having a species communicate primarily chemically was actually by Orsen Scott Card in the final book of the Ender timeline book series. I was so excited to see what the Discovery crew would encounter! I would love to see an episodic version of Disc in the future.
I absolutely loved this story line. Felt like such a great return to something I've always loved in Star Trek, discovering new forms of life. And I loved how much they explained about their species so far. It kind of reminded me of the cephalopods in Arrival.
I love how much sense their biology makes, given how they lived on a gas giant it make perfect sense they would appear jellyfish like and would have very different methods of communication, great to see an alien sources that isn’t just forehead prosthetics
CGI wasn’t there even 20 years ago to allocate and retain a significant budget to making a large variety of non-humanoid alien species for Star Trek. Now we do live in a time where CGI has matured to the point where the budget reserved for its use can do amazing things.
@@JROD082384 Nah, thats not true. Even TNG has had the possibility to do quite interesting things with early CGI and modells. You couldnt have had the same shots as these pure green screen options, but that TNG, VOY, DS9 etc. didn't go full creative mode with what they had was 100% the choice of the producers and directors. They didnt need to show me every CGI transformation of Odo to have him appear as some non humanoid monster in a mask/body suit. Would probably be even cheaper to do it that way than putting money in every CGI goo shot they made with him. Not to mention, that budget is also not an excuse since they had that in the movies, but didn't give enough of a sht to do anything but low effort humans in masks since ST:The Motion Picture.
If you go back to TNG and beta-lore from the first writers, basically the galaxy was conquered by a species known as the "Originals" who were hella advanced, but other god-like species on par with q ended up decimating their ability to function causing total collapse. The Q then created the galactic barrier to protect life in this galaxy from another "Incident", only for time to then decide which species would then reunify the galaxy (Happens to be the Humans, which is why Q became so interested in us and why Q in the big picture helped the Federation beat the Borg, as they didn't want the Borg to be the dominant empire). The reason for them all being so similar to humans is not just a thing of budgeting and technology of when the show was first made, but also has a full lore backing the idea that we are the remnants of a collapsed galactic empire.
@@oezibanana8664 Indeed the 10-C could be made using matte paintings and animation mixed with blue screen in the 70's and 80's, I mean just look at Vger. Star Trek production decided that alien Aliens would not work with the stories they wanted to tell, so we have human Aliens instead.
Having been thoroughly dissatisfied with Discovery so far I was pleasantly surprised to find myself genuinely engaged in 10-C's nature and the attempts at first contact. By far one of the most alien species to appear in Star Trek, and a very good season plot that really felt like it was getting to the spirit of Star Trek. Truly a new civilization inhabiting a strange new world.
Say what you will about the plot and writing, but the creature/alien design and costume work has been absolutely amazing from what I've seen. An improvement over even DS9, which had the broadest collection of different species as regulars.
It did make me wish more of the season was spent on interacting with Species 10-C rather than dealing with the catastrophe they caused. But who knows, maybe their further interactions with the Galaxy will be followed up on by future seasons.
Except they communicate by flashing lights, which is more Hanar-esque. Still, when I first saw them, I chuckled and said “THE DARKNESS MUST NOT BE BREACHED”
I mean, the 10C and the Leviathans are both cosmic horrors. The only real difference is that the 10C were both in control of what they were doing and unaware of their impact on galactic civilization. The Leviathans, on the other hand, were completely annihilated by the Reapers and, last I checked, like three of them survived the resultant purge of all complex organic life. As for the flashing lights, it's important to remember that those were part of a bridge tongue involving chemical communication. The same sort of communication we'd use if we wanted to speak to ants or bees in a properly complex fashion that pushes the limits of their ability to understand us. It's heavily implied that their normal communication is psychic in nature and even though humanoids are capable of touching said psychic link, the effort involved causes brain aneurysms after mere seconds of contact.
I loved seeing a truly alien and unique species on Star Trek, specially one that didn't just turn out to be "evil". I hope we get to know more about the 10c, other stranger civilisations, and work in some of the existing lore about why the barrier the exists and how they've handled and dealt with the dangers beyond it. It would also be fascinating to explore the "machine race" hinted at in Picard.
In the new season revealed that milky way Galaxy is a highly manipulated galaxy that designed to host vast amount of humanoid diversity, and yes this vast diversity and vast number of civilizations only consist of one type of lifeform... Humanoid, turned out that all humanoid species in the galaxy was manufactured by one humanoid species billions of years ago using technology they found which they also don't know who built the technology either, this kinda explain everything about star trek universe and how are there only humanoid species as far as you can go without moving out of galaxy, except for this unique jellyfish species which of course live beyond milky way Galaxy
Something I couldn't help notice, but I'm not sure I've seen much discussion of is how similar 10-C is to how the true form of the Kelvan's is described by Spock in TOS "By Any Other Name". As the Wikipedia on the episode nicely summarizes, "Back in their cell, Spock relates the experience of his mental contact with Kelinda. The Kelvans, it seems, are not humanoid after all, but have taken human form for convenience; they are actually huge creatures with hundreds of tentacles. (So alien were they, and so powerful their minds, that he had been thrown back out of the mind meld.)" Both in terms of the physical description AND the mentai side of it, I got real tinges of Rojan and Kelinda, though clearly less malevolent.
They may still be remotely related in the way that all humanoids in Star Trek are to each other, sharing a common genetic ancestry that goes back eons.
@@heartoffire5902 Ya ... in the original TOS, the three Kelvans were part of an advance unit that left Andromeda ages ago. It's not impossible 10-C is a different group of the same species that left at a different time with different purposes, and set up shop just outside the Milky Way instead of coming in like the ones in TOS did. And since we still don't REALLY know where 10-C came from and how they evolved, its still possible they are related to Kelvans in some way. Either way, the description from Spock in TOS is eerily similar to what we saw last week in Disco IMO ...
That’s interesting, as I was thinking “wow, even though they’re this advanced, they still didn’t break through the barrier like the Kelvans did”! It’s interesting how the same link can be thought in response to both similarities and differences.
The last two episodes of this season were fantastic, I loved watching them try to figure out how to communicate with the 10C. That was peak Trek energy.
i really love how the crew piece together how to communicate with the 10C initially and then they failed at the end. Booker and rest of the characters were speaking in terms that were too complex for the translator to translate. the writers completely negated what was set up in previous episodes
@@Marconius6 nah, it was good enough time spent on it. Such an overly complicated manner of communication and that was the 'dumbed down' version of their language but what can you expect from a kardashian level 2 civilization. ;-) . If you want to see more time spent on figuring out how to talk to an alien, you should check out the movie Arrival. p.s. i know its kardashev
@@Tvirus12 It was clearly an omage to Arrival with 10C being behind the shield in a cloudy background. But also overall very Close Encounter'esque. And *of course* also an obvious omage to the fantastic TNG episode "Darmok" .
Also was I the only one who got emotional when all of Starfleet showed up to evacuate as many from Earth as possible? I mean..even Federation HQ warped in! Was I the only one incredibly disappointed when they said they could maybe save 450k from Earth and Nevar? Come on. Not even a few million? I did cry a little happy cry when Earth rejoined the Federation. "No negotiations needed. We are ready to join right now" That was brilliant!
Ummmm… …no, not in the slightest. Those dumbass bitches knew WAY in advance that the DMA was heading that way, and waited until the last few hours to effect evacuation plans. It was a stupid B plot written by idiotic writers to entertain people with low standards for their Trek.
Weird how a LOT of mining equipment in Star Trek gets used as a super duper destruction weapon. Like the Narada's massive crust-breaking mining drill + a bit of red matter to make things interesting = NO MORE Ni'var.
Given that they live at the edge of the Galaxy, are they aware of the origin of the Galactic barrier? Have they encountered the Q or extra Galactic beings?
I have a fan theory that the 10-c might be the ancestors of the Q. The 10-C are highly advanced and make a private domain for themselves, kind of like the Q continuum. The Q each call each other Q, as if they are not separate but merely different manifestations or incarnations of the same basic being or blueprint. This may be similar to the 10-C lack of separation and lack of understanding of being individuals, yet still being different organisms. The 10-C and the Q both have some sense of morality, but it is so alien to corporeal humanoids that they often will harm lower lifeforms without realizing it. The Q act like guardians of the Milky Way, possibly implying they are from outside the Milky Way, but have a duty or history connected to it. I know it is a stretch, but I think it is at least a possibility.
I enjoyed what we seen of the 10-C and hope they get develop more either in Discovery or in Beta Material so you can do a deep dive Cultural Index on the species
I do love how Disco was able to do something on this scale I do wish they had less episodes per season because I bet someone could edit together a really tight season with the middling bits excised for the great stuff that's already there.
I wish it were more episodes. I don't mind an overarching storyline but I really miss one-off episodes, where the pacing has a chance to slow down a bit and we get more of a chance to get to know the characters.
@@newcarpathia9422 Right, I wish the last four episodes or so had focused on the DMA, but the previous nine had just been low stakes, self-contained episodes getting to actually know the crew and makes us care about planets blowing up When everything is set to 11 from the start, I just stop caring.
@@newcarpathia9422 That would require the same great writers, that wrote the last 2-3 episodes to do those slower eps. I felt like those were somewhat filler and not interesting filler at that. Get some DS9 writers. :D
The species was smart. They hid. They didn't try to explore and reach out into the shadows. Sometimes when you reach out into the shadows the shadows reaches back. I'm thinking of the Borg and how they knew that the Federation existed.
I really liked the idea of species ten-c it just goes to show how life could evolve in very different environments and stress factors and just how low tech even far future trek is. We know that their tech is somehow technology based but it is so far beyond what we could possibly understand that it truly does appear to be magic.
The only thing it goes to show, is that sci-fi writers can create any species they want. It doesn’t mean life could evolve in these very different environments. We literally only have proof that our life evolved. That’s it. Anything else is pure fantasy and speculation
@@jamesbizs Life on this planet has evolved to live in the deep ocean, on dry land, in the Antarctic ice, and huddled around hydrothermic vents in the ocean floor feeding on elements that would poison us. If life can evolve in places besides Earth, gas giants in close orbits are among the best non-Terrestrial candidates, if only because there are so very many of them.
Carl Sagan described something similar to 10C. Sagan called them "floaters". Organisms which floats like a balloon and looks like jellyfish and lives in gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn. m.ruclips.net/video/uakLB7Eni2E/видео.html
@@DeaconBlues117 but it all started in one place, under presumably very specific conditions. Sure, over time life could spread to more difficult places to live, but I'm doubtful it could originate there.
as much as i dislike STD, they did do one thing right, and that is a lifeform as different as the 10-c having a hard time reccognicing us as a intelligent lifeform due to the vast difference between us, and to make things even harder for them to recognise them as intelligent lifeforms they of course had to encounter the crew of Discovery of all things... i completely understand why it was so hard for them to tell if they where intelligent lifeforms or not. and making alien life so different was a bold and refreshing move of them considering that almost all aliens with very few exeptions is truly alien.
30 Light Years outside of the Milky Way is a comically tiny distance. That's like saying "from the mysterious remote wilds... thirty inches off the coast of New Jersey."
In the real world, there are loads of stars that orbit the Milky Way well beyond what would normally be considered the Milky Way. There are also a number of satellite galaxies though to be the remains of galaxies the Milky Way collided with.
I had kind of hoped they’d live in a dwarf satellite galaxy, rather than just a single system out there beyond the barrier, but oh well. The barrier itself is such a strange conceit, people had speculated the TNG-era retconned it. So kudos to them for having the balls to keep it AND still make it visually interesting by today’s standards.
The 10-C one of the most interesting species ever conceived in trek. They may even rival the Borg as very well liked. I cant help to think they had some scientific consultants helping them with this one. But what I find even more exciting is that they namedropped the Iconians. And why haven’t the Q appeared in 600 years. Meaning they did have contact with humanity after the seaming death of Picard?
I’ve seen a few folks online say that the finale for S4 of Discovery was as bad as it gets, and to be sure there’s a few things I would say could have used some work. Tarkas motivation was so cartoonishly selfish, it was baffling that Book and Gen. Ndoye were as willing to give him as much control as they did, though their own motivations were understandable albeit harsh. I believe the initial discoveries of the “pheromones,” combined with cracking the patterns of the light, leading to first communications, was peak Star Trek, if not the perfect encapsulation of some of the cores of modern sci-fi. Figuring out that the Ten-C were not only capable of emotion, but that those emotions are definitively universal, is the perfect example of “humanity” not necessarily being an exclusively human trait. Sure, that idea is not new to Star Trek, but being able to create such a complex and unique alien species that defies all of the established rules of life, while also making that same species curious and benevolent to life itself. Bravo. Not to mention the unique collective but not quite singular consciousness of their species providing a clear, if somewhat simple explanation for their own motivations. I was more interested in the crew learning to talk to the Ten-C than I was about Tarka being stopped. Until the very end at least. Imagine the story from the perspective of the Ten-C. Sure, we know they’re extra-galactic, but do we know if maybe they’re inter-galactic? If so, what did life look like in their home galaxy to make them not recognize humanoid beings as intelligent? Why did they not recognize Federation technology as being at all advanced? If they were exclusive to the rogue system just floating around the edge of the galaxy, why would they be motivated to use wormhole technology, capable of breaching the galactic barrier and mining entire solar systems of resources in days, but choose to remain outside the galaxy themselves? What was the tragedy that befell their home? Is there a new extra-galactic threat that the Federation has to be worried about now, or did they do it themselves?
Now we have a species unlike our humanoid form that is truly worthy of the media of science (fiction) unknowns. Discovery is now telling a story at our present Time as fantastic as Classic ST. Was to us seeing it first in the 1960s.
Heh, now I want to see a 10-C floating down a corridor discussing something with holograms in between it and a Horta as they attend some galactic meeting at Starfleet Base. ;) Talk about getting along...a
WOW they finally did it a good new age star trek ANYTHING thought it was impossible at this point. but yeah this species is great feels the most alien of all star trek ever encountered.
Can you call the Borg collective a single consciousness when there is a Borg Queen. I think the original premise was that the Borg had a hive mind but once they introduced a queen, it was a hierarchy, perhaps a very flat hierarchy but a hierarchy none the less. Also the features that social media are demonstrating to us such as misinformation echo chambers, coordination of protests, etc. Indicates that a hive mind may not be as rational, united and single minded as we usually believe. What we see of the Borg are many intelligences dominated and suppressed by one or several consciousnesses. Maybe we should be addressing the Borg Queen and perhaps 7 of 9 as "Mistress".
What you say about social media factions is part of why I’m happy to assume there’s multiple different Borg collectives (especially as Voyager showed a planetary collective and a quaternary collective already). Some people were saying “did they just rewrite the Borg?!” about Jurati but as far as I’m concerned it’s just a totally different splinter group.
I really loved what the writers were able to do with their language and of course the 10c themselves. Season 4 was awesome imo. There were a couple of episodes toward the end that seemed to drag a bit but it paid off totally in the end. My wish for s5 is that they do a time jump, maybe 5 years, to an even stronger Federation and have a war that ravages the entire quadrant like the Dominion War… maybe a *true* war with the 32nd century Borg…. The Borg deserve Discovery’s budget. And make sure you have Jonathan Frakes nearby!!!!
Did it REALLY pay off in the end? There was almost nothing of importance truly learned about the 10-C, not even what they call themselves, and the ending was about as anticlimactic as you could possibly get. Discovery is simply a hot mess of bad writing and shoehorned ideas that don’t fit into the actual narrative.
Obrigado! Nada da série nova de Star Trek tem tradução para o português, seu canal foi o primeiro a me indicar o que acontece na série (além das figuras).
They didn't break planets apart to farm Boronite, they just dredged boronite from large patches of space. The DMA was just so big that it threw gravitic waves and debris everywhere. Kweijan was destroyed because a gravitic wave rammed the moon against the planet and the asteroid colony was thrown at the sun.
I really like the design of these things. Haven't watched any of Star Trek Discovery (Because I already have enough subscriptions to enough streaming platforms), but it seems to be recovering from the slump of earlier seasons. I like the concept of strangers in a strange land that it has, even if that means it might be a foregone conclusion for the other parts of the Star Trek Universe (such as Picard).
Even if the writing somehow came around, I can't stand the aesthetics. It doesn't look like Star Trek, doesn't feel like it, and barely acts like it. Might as well be its own IP. If it were I think I'd be far more willing to give it a chance. As it is, it's just got go away heat.
@@planescaped I mean, aesthetic changes are kind of inherent in Star Trek as what looks "futuristic" changes over time. Yeah, it sucks when something "doesn't look like it belongs". But at the same time, klingons, starfleet ships (and especially uniforms), symbols, etc. have all changed. It's just kind of how Star Trek as a medium works. Things look a certain way because they need to serve a specific purpose in a meta narrative sense.
I wish that Star Trek would do an alien like Larry Niven's 'Outsiders' They are crystalline beings with many tentacles and their blood is based on liquid helium. They are a trading civilization, selling information. The have the technology for several form of faster than light travel, that they're willing to sell if paid enough. They seldom use such FTL travel themselves, preferring slow sub-light craft, open to the vacuum of space. They're very long lived so journeys lasting many thousands of years are not considered by them to be a problem.
@@thomas.parnell7365 Or forgot about tying to replicate the Spore drive or fully developing that Pathfinder engine they installed on the Voy-J when the 10-C seem to develop stable wormhole which could transport ships in an instant while it would take decades to cross that same distance via conventional warp travel
@@thomas.parnell7365 I am aware and the only working prototype of the new designed was destroyed with the rest of Book's ship along with the head engineer working on project I hope for Stamet's sake Tarka kept good notes or Starfleet might contact him on his vocation
@@amazedsatsuma someone like him probably would keep notes but extremely. Well hidden and to be honest give stamets unlimited resources and 10 years and 31st century technology he would make it smaller maybe not as small as tarkas . Say something size of Danube class run about warp core could still be built into any ship larger than say nova class.
If the 10-C were unaware of sentient life like in the Milkyway or other Galaxies, then why do they hide behind an impenetrable barrier masking what they're doing?
A lot of this whole season reminded me of the 2000's series by Arthur C. Clarke. Instead of TMA (Thycho Magnetic Anomoly, the Monolith) we have the DMA (Dark Matter Anomoly). A machine of unknown purpose. One destroyed jupiter, another worlds. One was a mining machine however and that really wasn't the Monolith's purpose. I don't remmeber much from the book cause it's been years but I think in 3001 they did make contact with the Monolith's creators through a lot of trial and error communication approach. Not saying the stories are copies of one another, but certainly a few similarities that make me feel that it might have been one of the influneces of the creative effort of Discovery's Season 4.
That’s a good point! I was so focussed on “DMA controller” being a term in computer science (direct memory access) I kept thinking it was a reference to that and couldn’t think of anything else. Which I feel a bit silly about now, as I’ve had a few headphones named after the TMA.
Yeah i really did enjoy the 10-C, like sci-fi in general tends to have two types of aliens "I can't believe it's not human" and "weird animals", with the rare few sentient "weird animals" like the Horta or (mass effect's) Leviathans don't really get that much exploration of them as a species.
which is why I like Polish and Avant-garde (non-Sovietized) soviet science fiction, it deals so much with things which are so far beyond understandable that it is never clear what are the definitions of the tech versus the sentient, or even the animate and inanimate... I like fiction taking the definition of what is life and what is reality to the fringes of that concept to show how man deals with something that is truly alien (which is how I believe any real extraterrestrial life would be, just so different, we would have difficulty thinking or talking about it, because we do not have words or concepts which can codify it)
Not only have astronomers found extra-galactic stars and star systems, there are entire currents of stars and gasses flowing between galaxies. The Sagittarius Stream for example is one such current that is in the process of being stripped from one of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies to be merged with our own.
@@oezibanana8664 Well, major spoilers for Star Trek Online here : Other species in the galaxy got fed up with the iconians and destroyed them, leaving only a small portion of them alive, because they managed to escape the slaughter. Thousands of years later said survivors took revenge on the whole galaxy.
I am sad that we did not learn what they call themselves in the last episode. So we could stop using the federation-centric moniker of "10-c" I know that it probably would be unpronounceable, but using holo technology they could replay the molecule with light pattern. And probably create a suitable translation or transliteration that the 10-c would be happy being referred to as.
For the most part I really have no use for Discovery and its Mary Sue Burnham plotlines, but I give them huge credit, the 10-C are one of the most interesting and well-thought-out alien species in Trek history.
Thinking on how a collective hivemind would react to a disaster like a comet impact, closing themselves off and protecting themselves makes sense with the trauma they suffered. If you lose part of yourself you would hide too.
Yeah, I’ve gotta say it… “Discovery” has been pretty hit and miss for me. You’ll get shining moments or intriguing mysteries that get soon after buried by awful pay-offs or worse execution… But this season has generally been pretty good. Especially once the ball started rolling on trying to discover who the Ten-C were, as they are just so alien and unique in Star Trek. I’ll admit I haven’t been this sucked into a Star Trek series since Deep Space Nine began the Dominion War storyline. The irony being that I almost didn’t watch this season at all, given that the teasers presented everything as being just a gravitational anomaly being the threat.. This was much cooler and a very cool alien in the end.
For some time during the fourth season I feared the worst about the 10-C, that they knew what they were doing to other life forms within the Avalon Galaxy (You call it Milky Way, I call it Avalon, sue me.) and just didn't care because they were so far beyond our understanding as to be truly Lovecraftian. It led me to think "what if the Discovery crew had to try and destroy them, would it even be possible? Or would the attempt be so laughable that it wouldn't matter one iota?". Imagine their relief, and mine, at their capacity for compassion. Imagine my terror now at knowing that one day, Starfleet WILL encounter such a superspecies...
Flaws aside, and Discovery has it's flaws.....this has to be one of the very finest First Contact stories with high stakes that we have ever seen in Star Trek. Bravo!! Things I didn't like? Not much: depiction of the Galactic Barrier; everybody saved except Tarka.
As soon as I saw he was played by the guy who played Errinwright, I knew he was going to end-up doing a face-heel turn and ultimately end up dead, severely injured, or imprisoned off-screen. If he’d’ve been played by anyone else, I don’t think I’d have necessarily had that expectation.
Ooh in the next season we should see an episode where the federation is sending a delegation of ambassadors to the ten-c, perhaps they are equipped with special badges that act as more advanced translators, generating the emotional compounds and creating the holographic displays
The thought that a species as advanced as the 10-C are portrayed would not be able to spot much less stop a meteorite large enough to destroy their planets ability to support their life is simply ludicrous.
I'm so hoping we get a season of Disco with them running around the galaxy reconnecting with former Federation and potential new Federation worlds. I'm expecting us to see more of the 10C though. I just don't think they were hiding from asteroids by creating that hyperfield. I think someone or something sent the asteroids to annihilate their homeworld. I think they will ask the Federation for assistance since they can't use the DMA without endangering countless species. If that's the case then oh joy. Another season of one ship saving not just the galaxy but universe now. That has gotten very old to me.
I felt like i was watching a retelling of Benjamin Sysco explaining to a worm hole alien how their two species perceive time differently. Not that i didnt like it but yeah.
Notice that cube-thing in the middle of the anomaly? Looks an awful lot like that polygon-thing from that episode of TNG where they go on the holodeck-train and there's vertion particles.
I have a theory that the power the ten c have, what they use to power the hyperfield is in fact omega. It would make sense since they need vaste amounts of boronite just to keep it running, much like stable omega.
From species 10CC: The things we do for love, the things we do for love Like walking in the rain and the snow When there's nowhere to go And you're feelin' like a part of you is dying And you're looking for the answer in her eyes You think you're gonna break up Then she says she wants to make up...
i just realised that Risan dude probably could have used omega to do his universe teleport thing. I guess he must not have known about it and the omega directive is still in place.
Call me uncultured, but i think the discovery of the 10-c was one of the coolest first contacts in all of Star Trek. Mostly because the universal translator didn’t work, they had to put actual effort into decifering the language. The only other species I can think of that was like that was the tamarians (the ones that only communicated via metaphors) form the episode “shaka, when the stars fell”
5:39 even as the preservers of the Milky Way only put few similarities of sentient life, mostly to ‘ understand each other’ when the seeded life and guided evolution
The mention of these aliens being a sort of semi-collective reminds me of a description of the Q I once read in a fanfic (can't remember the name of it, and it was incomplete). They all have huge egos because if they didn't they'd dissipate back into the collective stuff that is the Q as a whole, and young Q that don't develop enough of an ego do just that. When Q was judged guilty and demoted to human, the judgement was made by the entire Continuum, including, in part, himself.
Its interesting how the milky way galaxy is the only known galaxy to have such a barrier around encompassing it. One of my favorite theory's on why this is has always been tied to the one and only Q continuum. As a way for these "semi omnipotent" beings to defend against the threat of a Species of similarly quasi powerful beings. I am of course talking about the ones known as the Kelvins , a ruthless, and extremely technologically advanced people. Who fled the adromeda galaxy and achieving intergalactic travel, proceeded to their nearest neighbor....Us. Now i don't buy into the boast by Q that the Continuum has always existed in its present form. I believe in the old adage that any technology that far exceeds that of a less developed culture would be indistinguishable from "Majic" to them. Hence the Q's Unexplained "powers". I would dare to hypothesize that at one time they were very much like the humans of the 24th century....maybe when the Kelvins first started to make incursions into the edges of the Milky way. Possibly coming into contact with the pre continuum species, who would a few centuries later, come to call themselves the Q. After a long drawn out war of attrition the Kelvins where driven back and all but destroyed, leaving only the two who escape deeper into the galaxy. only discovered when encountered by Kirk and the enterprise crew centuries later. However in the time between the end of the incursion and their discovery, the Q who in all likeliness also suffered terrible losses, had developed the technology to make a almost impregnable barrier around their home Galaxy. Remember when Q first made his existence known to the enterprise D, he did it on the orders of a continuum who saw the humans as advancing at a pace which intrigued but also frightened the Q, and as Picard eluded too, perhaps because they saw their own history in us. Q himself said as much in All good things, that our understanding of space, thought, and time was evolving allowing us to see possibles of existences we couldn't hardly dream of. So in conclusion....Blame the the Q.
How will Prime Directives apply, interaction with 10C will interfere with Federation's cultural development. What kind of interaction should Federation maintain with 10C?
I disagree and I don't get the enthusiasm of people in the comments... In my view this is probably the worst Star Trek season EVER, counting all shows. I didn't defend Discovery since its beginnings to reach this, what just happened? Everything was so badly written, so bad crafted... The general idea wasn't bad, and even Species 10-C are interesting, but Federation making first contact, communicating with them in just a few hours, despite the difficulties of finding a common ground... because they're quite different to humans, but yet they have "empathy" and humanoid properties, human psichology after all. It's appalling. And then how's possible that such an advanced civilitazion didn't realize that there are other life forms different to them? how it's possible that it's the million of times inferior species who learned to communicate and understand them before they achieved that? 🤦♂ I felt true embarrassment listening to those endless pompous soliloquies, boring dialogues, excessive exposition, over the top performances that make Shatner look like Buster Keaton... and I'm not even speaking of the insidious ideology behind everything. Because if something, this is appalling Manifest Destiny right in the vein, which I thought DS9 had cleared from Star Trek forever
Maybe that’s why they were so confused for so long! Like if ants tried to spell a message on the ground but we were too busy watching the individuals rather than seeing the wider shape.
I am a huge star trek fan, but after putting in lots of effort i bailed Star Trek Discovery somewhere in the third season. Is it worth it after all with a storyline around this species?
They may have a limit on how far they can travel from each other and maintain their connection. It would explain why they do not explore; either all of them would have to go, or those who do would be completely cut out of from their collective. Effectively isolated. Even if a handful of them travel, there may be a minimum of connected minds they can have and feel comfortable. It might even be that their intelligence is a product of this connection, and smaller collections of them (at some point) could lose the intelligence needed to travel through space or even remain sentient. This could explain why they could not see individuals as sentient, they cannot remain sentient if they are individuals. I do not usually like lumping new things in with somewhat similar old things (ie the way people try to connect the Borg and V'Ger...who really aren't that similar at all); but 10-C actually had me wondering about things. The Doomsday Machine. What if this was an early form of their mining technology? The Whale Probe. This is a bit tenuous, as it might require them seeing an individual species (whales) as sentient. However; it could be an early attempt to understand individuality in a species, and explain why every other sentient species was overlooked. The Probe also has a lot more f physical similarities to the Doomsday Machine. They are both huge hard to understand aliens space monoliths of unimaginable power that actually have a lot of similar design features. If you put the two side by side, there is a lot to make someone think they were made by the same species.
IRL Astronomy: Yes we have actually imaged a few VERY near by extra-galactic "rogue" stars - and the background light curve of "empty" space indicates there should be LOTS of them between galaxies, just too small to see at those ranges.
Not too small, rather too faint to easily detect without spending a massive time budget collecting light in a random ass direction with little to no guarantee of meaningful scientific return on the data collected.
yep was going to come here to say that. Nothing super special about the "boundary" of galaxies other than that is where gravity has those particular stars fall.
Let's see what the James Webb makes of them shall we....
unless the age of the galaxy is much older than we think, they would be extremely rare after enough time, minus the occasional rogue
The 10-C are truly one of the most fascinating species the Federation ever encountered. I hope we see more of them in future seasons and that they're not forgotten, like so many other interesting civilisations in Star Trek.
Indeed! Actually the idea for having a species communicate primarily chemically was actually by Orsen Scott Card in the final book of the Ender timeline book series. I was so excited to see what the Discovery crew would encounter! I would love to see an episodic version of Disc in the future.
I concur
species 10-C, species 8472, the Unknown aggressors and Thargoids i say are the most alien of aliens that have been created for our amusement
Cytherians...
I absolutely loved this story line. Felt like such a great return to something I've always loved in Star Trek, discovering new forms of life. And I loved how much they explained about their species so far. It kind of reminded me of the cephalopods in Arrival.
I love how much sense their biology makes, given how they lived on a gas giant it make perfect sense they would appear jellyfish like and would have very different methods of communication, great to see an alien sources that isn’t just forehead prosthetics
CGI wasn’t there even 20 years ago to allocate and retain a significant budget to making a large variety of non-humanoid alien species for Star Trek.
Now we do live in a time where CGI has matured to the point where the budget reserved for its use can do amazing things.
@@JROD082384 Nah, thats not true. Even TNG has had the possibility to do quite interesting things with early CGI and modells. You couldnt have had the same shots as these pure green screen options, but that TNG, VOY, DS9 etc. didn't go full creative mode with what they had was 100% the choice of the producers and directors. They didnt need to show me every CGI transformation of Odo to have him appear as some non humanoid monster in a mask/body suit. Would probably be even cheaper to do it that way than putting money in every CGI goo shot they made with him.
Not to mention, that budget is also not an excuse since they had that in the movies, but didn't give enough of a sht to do anything but low effort humans in masks since ST:The Motion Picture.
If you go back to TNG and beta-lore from the first writers, basically the galaxy was conquered by a species known as the "Originals" who were hella advanced, but other god-like species on par with q ended up decimating their ability to function causing total collapse. The Q then created the galactic barrier to protect life in this galaxy from another "Incident", only for time to then decide which species would then reunify the galaxy (Happens to be the Humans, which is why Q became so interested in us and why Q in the big picture helped the Federation beat the Borg, as they didn't want the Borg to be the dominant empire). The reason for them all being so similar to humans is not just a thing of budgeting and technology of when the show was first made, but also has a full lore backing the idea that we are the remnants of a collapsed galactic empire.
@@oezibanana8664 Indeed the 10-C could be made using matte paintings and animation mixed with blue screen in the 70's and 80's, I mean just look at Vger. Star Trek production decided that alien Aliens would not work with the stories they wanted to tell, so we have human Aliens instead.
@@grandsome1 Even the women they transformed into a robot was just... a woman without hair. Like *COME ON* :D
And fully agreed with your suggestions.
Having been thoroughly dissatisfied with Discovery so far I was pleasantly surprised to find myself genuinely engaged in 10-C's nature and the attempts at first contact. By far one of the most alien species to appear in Star Trek, and a very good season plot that really felt like it was getting to the spirit of Star Trek. Truly a new civilization inhabiting a strange new world.
exactly!!
Say what you will about the plot and writing, but the creature/alien design and costume work has been absolutely amazing from what I've seen. An improvement over even DS9, which had the broadest collection of different species as regulars.
It did make me wish more of the season was spent on interacting with Species 10-C rather than dealing with the catastrophe they caused. But who knows, maybe their further interactions with the Galaxy will be followed up on by future seasons.
@@MrMartechi Wait are you THE Martechi Falkberg?
@@zenkomenhi I'm the one that does some art & animations, if that's what you mean! I'm not aware of any others :D
The 10C reveal felt very much like the Leviathan from Mass Effect 3, who seems to also share a similar background history.
Except they communicate by flashing lights, which is more Hanar-esque.
Still, when I first saw them, I chuckled and said “THE DARKNESS MUST NOT BE BREACHED”
I mean, the 10C and the Leviathans are both cosmic horrors. The only real difference is that the 10C were both in control of what they were doing and unaware of their impact on galactic civilization. The Leviathans, on the other hand, were completely annihilated by the Reapers and, last I checked, like three of them survived the resultant purge of all complex organic life.
As for the flashing lights, it's important to remember that those were part of a bridge tongue involving chemical communication. The same sort of communication we'd use if we wanted to speak to ants or bees in a properly complex fashion that pushes the limits of their ability to understand us. It's heavily implied that their normal communication is psychic in nature and even though humanoids are capable of touching said psychic link, the effort involved causes brain aneurysms after mere seconds of contact.
@@ThePCguy17 that’s a good point - I’d assumed they had the telepathy for yet-more context to the hydrocarbons, but it could totally supplant it too.
I loved seeing a truly alien and unique species on Star Trek, specially one that didn't just turn out to be "evil". I hope we get to know more about the 10c, other stranger civilisations, and work in some of the existing lore about why the barrier the exists and how they've handled and dealt with the dangers beyond it. It would also be fascinating to explore the "machine race" hinted at in Picard.
“specially”?
You mean e-specially…
In the new season revealed that milky way Galaxy is a highly manipulated galaxy that designed to host vast amount of humanoid diversity, and yes this vast diversity and vast number of civilizations only consist of one type of lifeform... Humanoid, turned out that all humanoid species in the galaxy was manufactured by one humanoid species billions of years ago using technology they found which they also don't know who built the technology either, this kinda explain everything about star trek universe and how are there only humanoid species as far as you can go without moving out of galaxy, except for this unique jellyfish species which of course live beyond milky way Galaxy
Something I couldn't help notice, but I'm not sure I've seen much discussion of is how similar 10-C is to how the true form of the Kelvan's is described by Spock in TOS "By Any Other Name". As the Wikipedia on the episode nicely summarizes, "Back in their cell, Spock relates the experience of his mental contact with Kelinda. The Kelvans, it seems, are not humanoid after all, but have taken human form for convenience; they are actually huge creatures with hundreds of tentacles. (So alien were they, and so powerful their minds, that he had been thrown back out of the mind meld.)"
Both in terms of the physical description AND the mentai side of it, I got real tinges of Rojan and Kelinda, though clearly less malevolent.
My money was that 10-C was the Kelvan’s too. Unfortunately I lost that bet
They may still be remotely related in the way that all humanoids in Star Trek are to each other, sharing a common genetic ancestry that goes back eons.
@@heartoffire5902 Ya ... in the original TOS, the three Kelvans were part of an advance unit that left Andromeda ages ago. It's not impossible 10-C is a different group of the same species that left at a different time with different purposes, and set up shop just outside the Milky Way instead of coming in like the ones in TOS did. And since we still don't REALLY know where 10-C came from and how they evolved, its still possible they are related to Kelvans in some way.
Either way, the description from Spock in TOS is eerily similar to what we saw last week in Disco IMO ...
Well, given the reaction of T’Rina when she tried to mind meld with the Ten-C, it certainly seems like there’s at least a connection.
That’s interesting, as I was thinking “wow, even though they’re this advanced, they still didn’t break through the barrier like the Kelvans did”! It’s interesting how the same link can be thought in response to both similarities and differences.
The last two episodes of this season were fantastic, I loved watching them try to figure out how to communicate with the 10C. That was peak Trek energy.
I liked it too, reminded me of Arrival (2016)
i really love how the crew piece together how to communicate with the 10C initially and then they failed at the end. Booker and rest of the characters were speaking in terms that were too complex for the translator to translate. the writers completely negated what was set up in previous episodes
Shame they only spent like 25 of the episodes' runtime on that... those were the best parts.
@@Marconius6 nah, it was good enough time spent on it. Such an overly complicated manner of communication and that was the 'dumbed down' version of their language but what can you expect from a kardashian level 2 civilization. ;-) . If you want to see more time spent on figuring out how to talk to an alien, you should check out the movie Arrival.
p.s. i know its kardashev
@@Tvirus12 It was clearly an omage to Arrival with 10C being behind the shield in a cloudy background. But also overall very Close Encounter'esque. And *of course* also an obvious omage to the fantastic TNG episode "Darmok" .
*sees a eldritch horror in a notifications* welp never planned to sleep anymore
Also was I the only one who got emotional when all of Starfleet showed up to evacuate as many from Earth as possible? I mean..even Federation HQ warped in! Was I the only one incredibly disappointed when they said they could maybe save 450k from Earth and Nevar? Come on. Not even a few million? I did cry a little happy cry when Earth rejoined the Federation. "No negotiations needed. We are ready to join right now" That was brilliant!
Yea, that was a good b plot. The emotional scenes felt earned. Tilly and General Dad were great.
Ummmm…
…no, not in the slightest.
Those dumbass bitches knew WAY in advance that the DMA was heading that way, and waited until the last few hours to effect evacuation plans.
It was a stupid B plot written by idiotic writers to entertain people with low standards for their Trek.
Seriously, the DMC is the scariest thing in ST ever, scarier even than the Doomsday Weapon of TOS, and it's a mining machine...
Weird how a LOT of mining equipment in Star Trek gets used as a super duper destruction weapon. Like the Narada's massive crust-breaking mining drill + a bit of red matter to make things interesting = NO MORE Ni'var.
@@salenstormwing Kutzman era Trek is just ass
Dynamite was developed for mining too. Mining tech often turns into weapons eventually.
Wow, who could have guessed that technology designed to destroy very hard substances very quickly and efficiently would make for a good weapon?
Wow, who could have guessed that technology designed to destroy very hard substances very quickly and efficiently would make for a good weapon?
Finally, Discovery did something good. A truly alien and unique species.
No lie this season with the ten c was freaked amazing hands down
This is the year & the species that defined the Discovery franchise and secured it.
Well done.
Given that they live at the edge of the Galaxy, are they aware of the origin of the Galactic barrier? Have they encountered the Q or extra Galactic beings?
I have a fan theory that the 10-c might be the ancestors of the Q.
The 10-C are highly advanced and make a private domain for themselves, kind of like the Q continuum.
The Q each call each other Q, as if they are not separate but merely different manifestations or incarnations of the same basic being or blueprint. This may be similar to the 10-C lack of separation and lack of understanding of being individuals, yet still being different organisms.
The 10-C and the Q both have some sense of morality, but it is so alien to corporeal humanoids that they often will harm lower lifeforms without realizing it.
The Q act like guardians of the Milky Way, possibly implying they are from outside the Milky Way, but have a duty or history connected to it.
I know it is a stretch, but I think it is at least a possibility.
I enjoyed what we seen of the 10-C and hope they get develop more either in Discovery or in Beta Material so you can do a deep dive Cultural Index on the species
I do love how Disco was able to do something on this scale I do wish they had less episodes per season because I bet someone could edit together a really tight season with the middling bits excised for the great stuff that's already there.
I wish it were more episodes. I don't mind an overarching storyline but I really miss one-off episodes, where the pacing has a chance to slow down a bit and we get more of a chance to get to know the characters.
Season 5 is going to be 10 episodes
@@newcarpathia9422 Right, I wish the last four episodes or so had focused on the DMA, but the previous nine had just been low stakes, self-contained episodes getting to actually know the crew and makes us care about planets blowing up
When everything is set to 11 from the start, I just stop caring.
@@newcarpathia9422 That would require the same great writers, that wrote the last 2-3 episodes to do those slower eps.
I felt like those were somewhat filler and not interesting filler at that. Get some DS9 writers. :D
If they removed all the woke diversity social justice emotional filler they could have trimmed 2 episodes easy.
The species was smart. They hid. They didn't try to explore and reach out into the shadows. Sometimes when you reach out into the shadows the shadows reaches back. I'm thinking of the Borg and how they knew that the Federation existed.
That sounds like the Dark Forest Theory.
I really liked the idea of species ten-c it just goes to show how life could evolve in very different environments and stress factors and just how low tech even far future trek is. We know that their tech is somehow technology based but it is so far beyond what we could possibly understand that it truly does appear to be magic.
The only thing it goes to show, is that sci-fi writers can create any species they want. It doesn’t mean life could evolve in these very different environments. We literally only have proof that our life evolved. That’s it. Anything else is pure fantasy and speculation
@@jamesbizs Life on this planet has evolved to live in the deep ocean, on dry land, in the Antarctic ice, and huddled around hydrothermic vents in the ocean floor feeding on elements that would poison us.
If life can evolve in places besides Earth, gas giants in close orbits are among the best non-Terrestrial candidates, if only because there are so very many of them.
@@jamesbizs you are correct Star Trek is complete science fiction/ fantasy so stop taking it so seriously
Carl Sagan described something similar to 10C. Sagan called them "floaters". Organisms which floats like a balloon and looks like jellyfish and lives in gas giants like Jupiter and Saturn.
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@@DeaconBlues117 but it all started in one place, under presumably very specific conditions. Sure, over time life could spread to more difficult places to live, but I'm doubtful it could originate there.
Worm holes, Dyson spheres, energy barriers...but couldn't stop a meteor.
as much as i dislike STD, they did do one thing right, and that is a lifeform as different as the 10-c having a hard time reccognicing us as a intelligent lifeform due to the vast difference between us, and to make things even harder for them to recognise them as intelligent lifeforms they of course had to encounter the crew of Discovery of all things... i completely understand why it was so hard for them to tell if they where intelligent lifeforms or not.
and making alien life so different was a bold and refreshing move of them considering that almost all aliens with very few exeptions is truly alien.
Apparently extra-galactic stars have been known to exist since ‘97, in the constellation or cluster of Virgo
30 Light Years outside of the Milky Way is a comically tiny distance.
That's like saying "from the mysterious remote wilds... thirty inches off the coast of New Jersey."
In the real world, there are loads of stars that orbit the Milky Way well beyond what would normally be considered the Milky Way. There are also a number of satellite galaxies though to be the remains of galaxies the Milky Way collided with.
I had kind of hoped they’d live in a dwarf satellite galaxy, rather than just a single system out there beyond the barrier, but oh well. The barrier itself is such a strange conceit, people had speculated the TNG-era retconned it. So kudos to them for having the balls to keep it AND still make it visually interesting by today’s standards.
They remind me of the Thirdspace aliens from Babylon 5, specifically their head shape and their floaty nature
The third space aliens remind me of h.p. lovecraft's "old ones"
The 10-C one of the most interesting species ever conceived in trek. They may even rival the Borg as very well liked. I cant help to think they had some scientific consultants helping them with this one.
But what I find even more exciting is that they namedropped the Iconians. And why haven’t the Q appeared in 600 years. Meaning they did have contact with humanity after the seaming death of Picard?
Imagine if the Borg assimilated 10-C lol isn’t jelly fish with implants 😂
I’ve seen a few folks online say that the finale for S4 of Discovery was as bad as it gets, and to be sure there’s a few things I would say could have used some work. Tarkas motivation was so cartoonishly selfish, it was baffling that Book and Gen. Ndoye were as willing to give him as much control as they did, though their own motivations were understandable albeit harsh. I believe the initial discoveries of the “pheromones,” combined with cracking the patterns of the light, leading to first communications, was peak Star Trek, if not the perfect encapsulation of some of the cores of modern sci-fi. Figuring out that the Ten-C were not only capable of emotion, but that those emotions are definitively universal, is the perfect example of “humanity” not necessarily being an exclusively human trait. Sure, that idea is not new to Star Trek, but being able to create such a complex and unique alien species that defies all of the established rules of life, while also making that same species curious and benevolent to life itself. Bravo. Not to mention the unique collective but not quite singular consciousness of their species providing a clear, if somewhat simple explanation for their own motivations. I was more interested in the crew learning to talk to the Ten-C than I was about Tarka being stopped. Until the very end at least. Imagine the story from the perspective of the Ten-C. Sure, we know they’re extra-galactic, but do we know if maybe they’re inter-galactic? If so, what did life look like in their home galaxy to make them not recognize humanoid beings as intelligent? Why did they not recognize Federation technology as being at all advanced? If they were exclusive to the rogue system just floating around the edge of the galaxy, why would they be motivated to use wormhole technology, capable of breaching the galactic barrier and mining entire solar systems of resources in days, but choose to remain outside the galaxy themselves? What was the tragedy that befell their home? Is there a new extra-galactic threat that the Federation has to be worried about now, or did they do it themselves?
Now we have a species unlike our humanoid form that is truly worthy of the media of science (fiction) unknowns.
Discovery is now telling a story at our present Time as fantastic as Classic ST. Was to us seeing it first in the 1960s.
Heh, now I want to see a 10-C floating down a corridor discussing something with holograms in between it and a Horta as they attend some galactic meeting at Starfleet Base. ;)
Talk about getting along...a
Thanks for sharing you work and thoughts on this interesting Race
Now this is real Star Trek, meeting strange new life and civilization, great care in designing this
WOW they finally did it a good new age star trek ANYTHING thought it was impossible at this point.
but yeah this species is great feels the most alien of all star trek ever encountered.
They reminded me of the aliens from the movie "Arrival"
thanks rick. excellent video. you have a unique and interesting perspective of Star Trek.
10-C is an outstanding opportunity to start clean doing the Star Trek we love.
This is what many of us wants to see.
Whole part was jaw dropping when i watched! it was a true alien thing. Cant wait for further series !
Can you call the Borg collective a single consciousness when there is a Borg Queen. I think the original premise was that the Borg had a hive mind but once they introduced a queen, it was a hierarchy, perhaps a very flat hierarchy but a hierarchy none the less. Also the features that social media are demonstrating to us such as misinformation echo chambers, coordination of protests, etc. Indicates that a hive mind may not be as rational, united and single minded as we usually believe. What we see of the Borg are many intelligences dominated and suppressed by one or several consciousnesses. Maybe we should be addressing the Borg Queen and perhaps 7 of 9 as "Mistress".
What you say about social media factions is part of why I’m happy to assume there’s multiple different Borg collectives (especially as Voyager showed a planetary collective and a quaternary collective already). Some people were saying “did they just rewrite the Borg?!” about Jurati but as far as I’m concerned it’s just a totally different splinter group.
2:30 - The first rule of the Omega molecule is "we do not discuss the Omega Molecule".
I really loved what the writers were able to do with their language and of course the 10c themselves. Season 4 was awesome imo. There were a couple of episodes toward the end that seemed to drag a bit but it paid off totally in the end. My wish for s5 is that they do a time jump, maybe 5 years, to an even stronger Federation and have a war that ravages the entire quadrant like the Dominion War… maybe a *true* war with the 32nd century Borg…. The Borg deserve Discovery’s budget. And make sure you have Jonathan Frakes nearby!!!!
Did it REALLY pay off in the end?
There was almost nothing of importance truly learned about the 10-C, not even what they call themselves, and the ending was about as anticlimactic as you could possibly get.
Discovery is simply a hot mess of bad writing and shoehorned ideas that don’t fit into the actual narrative.
Obrigado! Nada da série nova de Star Trek tem tradução para o português, seu canal foi o primeiro a me indicar o que acontece na série (além das figuras).
They didn't break planets apart to farm Boronite, they just dredged boronite from large patches of space. The DMA was just so big that it threw gravitic waves and debris everywhere. Kweijan was destroyed because a gravitic wave rammed the moon against the planet and the asteroid colony was thrown at the sun.
I really like the design of these things. Haven't watched any of Star Trek Discovery (Because I already have enough subscriptions to enough streaming platforms), but it seems to be recovering from the slump of earlier seasons. I like the concept of strangers in a strange land that it has, even if that means it might be a foregone conclusion for the other parts of the Star Trek Universe (such as Picard).
Even if the writing somehow came around, I can't stand the aesthetics. It doesn't look like Star Trek, doesn't feel like it, and barely acts like it.
Might as well be its own IP. If it were I think I'd be far more willing to give it a chance. As it is, it's just got go away heat.
@@planescaped I mean, aesthetic changes are kind of inherent in Star Trek as what looks "futuristic" changes over time.
Yeah, it sucks when something "doesn't look like it belongs". But at the same time, klingons, starfleet ships (and especially uniforms), symbols, etc. have all changed. It's just kind of how Star Trek as a medium works. Things look a certain way because they need to serve a specific purpose in a meta narrative sense.
awesome video! i was hoping you would do a video on them!
Probably the best plot line in the entire show, this reminded me why the best sci fi show is stargate sg1
A most thrilling dissertation on the 10-C! Brilliant I say!
I wish that Star Trek would do an alien like Larry Niven's 'Outsiders' They are crystalline beings with many tentacles and their blood is based on liquid helium. They are a trading civilization, selling information. The have the technology for several form of faster than light travel, that they're willing to sell if paid enough. They seldom use such FTL travel themselves, preferring slow sub-light craft, open to the vacuum of space. They're very long lived so journeys lasting many thousands of years are not considered by them to be a problem.
And just think how far advanced the federation could become if they brought 10c into the fold
O yes especially with that hyper field technology take that and place around a star base or small moon have a virtually impenetrable shield
@@thomas.parnell7365 Or forgot about tying to replicate the Spore drive or fully developing that Pathfinder engine they installed on the Voy-J when the 10-C seem to develop stable wormhole which could transport ships in an instant while it would take decades to cross that same distance via conventional warp travel
@@amazedsatsuma the spore drive had already been made smaller and copied .but needed a navigator to work.
@@thomas.parnell7365 I am aware and the only working prototype of the new designed was destroyed with the rest of Book's ship along with the head engineer working on project
I hope for Stamet's sake Tarka kept good notes or Starfleet might contact him on his vocation
@@amazedsatsuma someone like him probably would keep notes but extremely. Well hidden and to be honest give stamets unlimited resources and 10 years and 31st century technology he would make it smaller maybe not as small as tarkas .
Say something size of Danube class run about warp core could still be built into any ship larger than say nova class.
Life so different it took one whole hour to learn to communicate, and less than 4 to converse fluently.
Thank you Rick, very informative
Thanks for another great video! I'd love to know where you got your full outline of the 10-C from.
Thanks for the great summary
If the 10-C were unaware of sentient life like in the Milkyway or other Galaxies, then why do they hide behind an impenetrable barrier masking what they're doing?
Because the barrier is there to stop asteroid impacts. Blocking signals is just a fun side effect.
Homie, we had a FULL episode explaining that, plus them mentioning it in the last two.
Are you okay? :D
Reminds me of Spock's description of that Andromeda race that captured the enterprise.... The Kelvin's
A lot of this whole season reminded me of the 2000's series by Arthur C. Clarke. Instead of TMA (Thycho Magnetic Anomoly, the Monolith) we have the DMA (Dark Matter Anomoly). A machine of unknown purpose. One destroyed jupiter, another worlds. One was a mining machine however and that really wasn't the Monolith's purpose. I don't remmeber much from the book cause it's been years but I think in 3001 they did make contact with the Monolith's creators through a lot of trial and error communication approach. Not saying the stories are copies of one another, but certainly a few similarities that make me feel that it might have been one of the influneces of the creative effort of Discovery's Season 4.
That’s a good point! I was so focussed on “DMA controller” being a term in computer science (direct memory access) I kept thinking it was a reference to that and couldn’t think of anything else. Which I feel a bit silly about now, as I’ve had a few headphones named after the TMA.
Yeah i really did enjoy the 10-C, like sci-fi in general tends to have two types of aliens "I can't believe it's not human" and "weird animals", with the rare few sentient "weird animals" like the Horta or (mass effect's) Leviathans don't really get that much exploration of them as a species.
which is why I like Polish and Avant-garde (non-Sovietized) soviet science fiction, it deals so much with things which are so far beyond understandable that it is never clear what are the definitions of the tech versus the sentient, or even the animate and inanimate... I like fiction taking the definition of what is life and what is reality to the fringes of that concept to show how man deals with something that is truly alien (which is how I believe any real extraterrestrial life would be, just so different, we would have difficulty thinking or talking about it, because we do not have words or concepts which can codify it)
Not only have astronomers found extra-galactic stars and star systems, there are entire currents of stars and gasses flowing between galaxies. The Sagittarius Stream for example is one such current that is in the process of being stripped from one of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies to be merged with our own.
I wish I found this before I had to force myself to watch a few clips of this show
Great video! I just started catching video's about this species and I love it. I have a odd feeling like they are the Q's pets or something lol
That title belonged to the Iconians, well at least in the books.
@@attila535 Comeon then. What happened in the books between them? :D
@@oezibanana8664 Well, major spoilers for Star Trek Online here : Other species in the galaxy got fed up with the iconians and destroyed them, leaving only a small portion of them alive, because they managed to escape the slaughter. Thousands of years later said survivors took revenge on the whole galaxy.
I am sad that we did not learn what they call themselves in the last episode. So we could stop using the federation-centric moniker of "10-c"
I know that it probably would be unpronounceable, but using holo technology they could replay the molecule with light pattern. And probably create a suitable translation or transliteration that the 10-c would be happy being referred to as.
“Your friendly neighbours”
For the most part I really have no use for Discovery and its Mary Sue Burnham plotlines, but I give them huge credit, the 10-C are one of the most interesting and well-thought-out alien species in Trek history.
Thinking on how a collective hivemind would react to a disaster like a comet impact, closing themselves off and protecting themselves makes sense with the trauma they suffered. If you lose part of yourself you would hide too.
Yeah, I’ve gotta say it… “Discovery” has been pretty hit and miss for me. You’ll get shining moments or intriguing mysteries that get soon after buried by awful pay-offs or worse execution… But this season has generally been pretty good. Especially once the ball started rolling on trying to discover who the Ten-C were, as they are just so alien and unique in Star Trek. I’ll admit I haven’t been this sucked into a Star Trek series since Deep Space Nine began the Dominion War storyline. The irony being that I almost didn’t watch this season at all, given that the teasers presented everything as being just a gravitational anomaly being the threat.. This was much cooler and a very cool alien in the end.
For some time during the fourth season I feared the worst about the 10-C, that they knew what they were doing to other life forms within the Avalon Galaxy (You call it Milky Way, I call it Avalon, sue me.) and just didn't care because they were so far beyond our understanding as to be truly Lovecraftian. It led me to think "what if the Discovery crew had to try and destroy them, would it even be possible? Or would the attempt be so laughable that it wouldn't matter one iota?". Imagine their relief, and mine, at their capacity for compassion.
Imagine my terror now at knowing that one day, Starfleet WILL encounter such a superspecies...
Flaws aside, and Discovery has it's flaws.....this has to be one of the very finest First Contact stories with high stakes that we have ever seen in Star Trek. Bravo!! Things I didn't like? Not much: depiction of the Galactic Barrier; everybody saved except Tarka.
As soon as I saw he was played by the guy who played Errinwright, I knew he was going to end-up doing a face-heel turn and ultimately end up dead, severely injured, or imprisoned off-screen. If he’d’ve been played by anyone else, I don’t think I’d have necessarily had that expectation.
Makes me wonder if they can communicate if exposed to a dense GN field as seen in Gundam 00 using the Riser Trans AM. Or if it would work at all.
Rather likely, considering communicating with the ELS was possible.
Their appearance reminded me of Guild Navigators.
Ooh in the next season we should see an episode where the federation is sending a delegation of ambassadors to the ten-c, perhaps they are equipped with special badges that act as more advanced translators, generating the emotional compounds and creating the holographic displays
The thought that a species as advanced as the 10-C are portrayed would not be able to spot much less stop a meteorite large enough to destroy their planets ability to support their life is simply ludicrous.
Any chance of a special April 1st vid on the most important character in Star Trek? Obviously I'm talking about "the punk on the bus".
I swear, if they start harvesting all life forms to make space cuttlefish to sustain some sort of infinite cycle...
I'm so hoping we get a season of Disco with them running around the galaxy reconnecting with former Federation and potential new Federation worlds. I'm expecting us to see more of the 10C though. I just don't think they were hiding from asteroids by creating that hyperfield. I think someone or something sent the asteroids to annihilate their homeworld. I think they will ask the Federation for assistance since they can't use the DMA without endangering countless species. If that's the case then oh joy. Another season of one ship saving not just the galaxy but universe now. That has gotten very old to me.
I felt like i was watching a retelling of Benjamin Sysco explaining to a worm hole alien how their two species perceive time differently. Not that i didnt like it but yeah.
Sisko.
Notice that cube-thing in the middle of the anomaly? Looks an awful lot like that polygon-thing from that episode of TNG where they go on the holodeck-train and there's vertion particles.
I have a theory that the power the ten c have, what they use to power the hyperfield is in fact omega. It would make sense since they need vaste amounts of boronite just to keep it running, much like stable omega.
1:06 I believe they found a planet of planetary disk forming in one of the Magellan clouds (large I think) within the last few years .
From species 10CC:
The things we do for love, the things we do for love
Like walking in the rain and the snow
When there's nowhere to go
And you're feelin' like a part of you is dying
And you're looking for the answer in her eyes
You think you're gonna break up
Then she says she wants to make up...
Can't wait to see one of them joining Starfleet! 😉
So they only passed the galactic barrier by technicality? They just....ignored it and teleported past?
That level of nonchalance is beautiful
Yes its like a warp field No I won't break the Light speed barrier I'll just move the Universe faster.
i just realised that Risan dude probably could have used omega to do his universe teleport thing. I guess he must not have known about it and the omega directive is still in place.
In a way he kind of did want to do that, since the DMA controller was powered by it
Call me uncultured, but i think the discovery of the 10-c was one of the coolest first contacts in all of Star Trek. Mostly because the universal translator didn’t work, they had to put actual effort into decifering the language. The only other species I can think of that was like that was the tamarians (the ones that only communicated via metaphors) form the episode “shaka, when the stars fell”
Cheers rick
Those are not Dyson Spheres but exactly the same style Orbitals as Iain M. Banks used in his Culture novels :)
Right idea, but you're thinking too small.
Those rings clearly wrap AROUND their star, making them Niven Rings, or Ringworlds.
You need to do a extra galactic special on the “M” continuum the opposition to the Q at the beginning of the universe
it looks a lot like the arrival movie the two episodes.
5:39 even as the preservers of the Milky Way only put few similarities of sentient life, mostly to ‘ understand each other’ when the seeded life and guided evolution
I really wish people would stop treating Star Trek Discovery like its cannon.
The mention of these aliens being a sort of semi-collective reminds me of a description of the Q I once read in a fanfic (can't remember the name of it, and it was incomplete). They all have huge egos because if they didn't they'd dissipate back into the collective stuff that is the Q as a whole, and young Q that don't develop enough of an ego do just that. When Q was judged guilty and demoted to human, the judgement was made by the entire Continuum, including, in part, himself.
That nomenclature '10-C' used to be military code for medical leave. 😆
Its interesting how the milky way galaxy is the only known galaxy to have such a barrier around encompassing it. One of my favorite theory's on why this is has always been tied to the one and only Q continuum. As a way for these "semi omnipotent" beings to defend against the threat of a Species of similarly quasi powerful beings. I am of course talking about the ones known as the Kelvins , a ruthless, and extremely technologically advanced people. Who fled the adromeda galaxy and achieving intergalactic travel, proceeded to their nearest neighbor....Us. Now i don't buy into the boast by Q that the Continuum has always existed in its present form. I believe in the old adage that any technology that far exceeds that of a less developed culture would be indistinguishable from "Majic" to them. Hence the Q's Unexplained "powers". I would dare to hypothesize that at one time they were very much like the humans of the 24th century....maybe when the Kelvins first started to make incursions into the edges of the Milky way. Possibly coming into contact with the pre continuum species, who would a few centuries later, come to call themselves the Q. After a long drawn out war of attrition the Kelvins where driven back and all but destroyed, leaving only the two who escape deeper into the galaxy. only discovered when encountered by Kirk and the enterprise crew centuries later. However in the time between the end of the incursion and their discovery, the Q who in all likeliness also suffered terrible losses, had developed the technology to make a almost impregnable barrier around their home Galaxy. Remember when Q first made his existence known to the enterprise D, he did it on the orders of a continuum who saw the humans as advancing at a pace which intrigued but also frightened the Q, and as Picard eluded too, perhaps because they saw their own history in us. Q himself said as much in All good things, that our understanding of space, thought, and time was evolving allowing us to see possibles of existences we couldn't hardly dream of. So in conclusion....Blame the the Q.
Star Trek needs more species like this - species that are TRULY "alien", not just humanoids with stuff on their face.
How will Prime Directives apply, interaction with 10C will interfere with Federation's cultural development. What kind of interaction should Federation maintain with 10C?
Thank you! 🖖🏻
Finally. Actual aliens in Star Trek.
You should tell us what episodes they are in.
great aliens and a much better season than season 3. I'm actually a bit excited about DISCO now.
I disagree and I don't get the enthusiasm of people in the comments... In my view this is probably the worst Star Trek season EVER, counting all shows.
I didn't defend Discovery since its beginnings to reach this, what just happened?
Everything was so badly written, so bad crafted...
The general idea wasn't bad, and even Species 10-C are interesting, but Federation making first contact, communicating with them in just a few hours, despite the difficulties of finding a common ground... because they're quite different to humans, but yet they have "empathy" and humanoid properties, human psichology after all. It's appalling.
And then how's possible that such an advanced civilitazion didn't realize that there are other life forms different to them? how it's possible that it's the million of times inferior species who learned to communicate and understand them before they achieved that? 🤦♂
I felt true embarrassment listening to those endless pompous soliloquies, boring dialogues, excessive exposition, over the top performances that make Shatner look like Buster Keaton... and I'm not even speaking of the insidious ideology behind everything. Because if something, this is appalling Manifest Destiny right in the vein, which I thought DS9 had cleared from Star Trek forever
I wonder if they are related to or are able to communicate with the creatures from the TNG Encounter at Farpoint.
Could you imagine if they detected one of our chemical transmitters? Fart, b.o. halitosis, all hydrocarbons
Maybe that’s why they were so confused for so long! Like if ants tried to spell a message on the ground but we were too busy watching the individuals rather than seeing the wider shape.
There's and Arthur C Clarke quote on the tip of my tongue but for the life of me I can't remember it/s
I am a huge star trek fan, but after putting in lots of effort i bailed Star Trek Discovery somewhere in the third season. Is it worth it after all with a storyline around this species?
Hmm. I thought season 4 finally hit its stride, but if you already know where it’s going to end up, I’m not sure.
They may have a limit on how far they can travel from each other and maintain their connection. It would explain why they do not explore; either all of them would have to go, or those who do would be completely cut out of from their collective. Effectively isolated. Even if a handful of them travel, there may be a minimum of connected minds they can have and feel comfortable. It might even be that their intelligence is a product of this connection, and smaller collections of them (at some point) could lose the intelligence needed to travel through space or even remain sentient. This could explain why they could not see individuals as sentient, they cannot remain sentient if they are individuals.
I do not usually like lumping new things in with somewhat similar old things (ie the way people try to connect the Borg and V'Ger...who really aren't that similar at all); but 10-C actually had me wondering about things.
The Doomsday Machine. What if this was an early form of their mining technology?
The Whale Probe. This is a bit tenuous, as it might require them seeing an individual species (whales) as sentient. However; it could be an early attempt to understand individuality in a species, and explain why every other sentient species was overlooked. The Probe also has a lot more f physical similarities to the Doomsday Machine. They are both huge hard to understand aliens space monoliths of unimaginable power that actually have a lot of similar design features. If you put the two side by side, there is a lot to make someone think they were made by the same species.