If I could choose any powertrain I want I would go with a hub drive for endurance and a secondary small mid drive just to help with acceleration and a front cassette.
Might be worth going awd, with a small front hub motor geared for torque, to help with acceleration. If it's a motor that you're not going to be running nonstop, just using to help accelerate, then the low battery efficiency of a hub drive motor isn't going to hurt much, since the rear motor is what's going to be running most of the time. Additionally, since you're only going to be running it part-time, you may be able to push higher peak wattage through your front motor than it's rated for, without having to worry about heat, since it's never going to be running for very long at a time without a break.
Sorry but I find that very hard to believe unless your 72v battery is tiny like under 10 amp hours and your bike frame is full carbon fiber (which I'm guessing it's not for $1500)
@@SeemsLegal I have a feeling he thinks Surrons weigh more than they actually do. Surrons are only 124 lbs, so half that is 62 lbs. Technically still possible. There are some street bikes on Amazon in the $200-500 range that weigh only 20-25 lbs, let's say he picks one that's 22 lbs for like $300. Rear suspension adds 1 lb and $30-60, front suspension adds 3 lbs and $50-100, now we're talking 25 lbs or so. A 2000W hub motor can be safely run at 3240W (72V 45A) easily, that's 15 lbs and $220. Controller is another 2 lbs and $50-80. 72V 20Ah battery is 18 lbs and $500. Now we're looking at 60 lbs, the remaining 2 lbs is eaten up by the display ($50-100), cables and various knickknacks (to use the technical term) and that's $1300 and 62 lbs. So, it's cutting it pretty close, and I have a feeling his full-suspension bike weighed more than 25 lbs since I'd feel sketch putting that much power through something that lightweight, but I think any bike with net weight under 70 lbs can get away with bragging rights for "half the weight of a surron" even though the exact halfway point would be 62 lbs.
Nice bikes. I like the one with the pedals. I should be getting my new Goat Power bikes in a couple weeks 60v 20ah with a 50 amp controller. They are also bringing out a 72v 30ah battery much like the E ride pro similar price point. Should be out for pre-order sometime in January.
Can you or have you made a video on hydraulic disk brakes and how to maintain them? I recently switched to hydraulics and got them working but have no idea how to maintain them
What's the point of an ebike this powerful? The pedals are vestigial at this when you approach something like this. Why not just get a Surron or Talaria?
I say go even further, why not have 2 hub motors and a mid-drive on there for a 3 motor setup. If you're feeling really crazy you could tow around a couple of 200amp batteries in a baby trailer and add 2 external large training wheels with hub motors in them and have 5 motor setup. As far as global warming is concerned, no one ever asked us the question "Do you want global warming?" I say yes! I say it's not going fast enough! They've been promising for decades we'd be Tatooine in Star Wars by now and it still hasn't happened. I'm old enough to remember the "Global cooling" scare of the 70's as a kid after only a few bad winters. Hell at this pace we'll only get to the Medieval warming period levels in hundreds of years. The Holocene period where the great empires arose, the Romans, Greeks, Persians, etc. Hell that may take thousands of years at this rate or not all all. I want to do my part for global warming so we can all ride our bikes year round. Do I have to light more tires on fire? Do I need to do more slash and burn agriculture? I turned out the mixture screws on my motorcycle out a quarter turn and drive around a lot the day after Earth day(f$ck the earth day, look it up). We need to get this ball rolling. I'm freezing my ass off every winter as I work outside WITH a heated vest and gloves in the winter -20C or not. You have to ask yourself "Are you doing your part for global warming?" They got me sold. Great video brother.
That is a good looking ride. I like the look of the mid drive better than the hub. I don’t think I could get away with it as a commuter though due to local laws 🤷♂️
I have those gloves .. I’m pretty sure u can find better for cheaper they cost about 200 bucks . It doesn’t get that warm tbh n it give u numb fingertips
*Heated socks/gloves r a must! 7.4v 5000mah battery, buy extra batteries or make them, totally makes riding more comfortable in 20-30 degree weather! Heated jacket is also next level!*
Heated mangina too? Wtf do you think we've done all our lives when snowmobiling etc? We dressed warm but we moved around and sometimes sweat so all that heating undies bull is corny and overkill.
I'm very curious about what you do for a career. Especially with a $200 gym membership. Seems like unless you are filthy rich, that's incredibly poor money management.
Hub motor silence works for me, you can hear birds in the spring and cars about to rear end you...
I agree, a DD hub amd full programmable system is essential. Will do 100k miles before the 15 dollar main bearing change
Although the tire changes suck
Nice find, great looking bikes and very promising. As you said, the price will dictate if they're a good value or not given all the options out there.
I have both. Built it earlier this year.
In 2017 I built a dual motor dual 72volt batteries Grin fed bbshd and a rewound Qs205 fed by a 72150 Sab. Sprockets are 62/14.
If I could choose any powertrain I want I would go with a hub drive for endurance and a secondary small mid drive just to help with acceleration and a front cassette.
Might be worth going awd, with a small front hub motor geared for torque, to help with acceleration. If it's a motor that you're not going to be running nonstop, just using to help accelerate, then the low battery efficiency of a hub drive motor isn't going to hurt much, since the rear motor is what's going to be running most of the time. Additionally, since you're only going to be running it part-time, you may be able to push higher peak wattage through your front motor than it's rated for, without having to worry about heat, since it's never going to be running for very long at a time without a break.
I've built my own full suspension 3000W hub drive 72V Ebike for $1500, and it's half the weight of a Surron.
Sorry but I find that very hard to believe unless your 72v battery is tiny like under 10 amp hours and your bike frame is full carbon fiber (which I'm guessing it's not for $1500)
@@SeemsLegal I have a feeling he thinks Surrons weigh more than they actually do. Surrons are only 124 lbs, so half that is 62 lbs. Technically still possible.
There are some street bikes on Amazon in the $200-500 range that weigh only 20-25 lbs, let's say he picks one that's 22 lbs for like $300. Rear suspension adds 1 lb and $30-60, front suspension adds 3 lbs and $50-100, now we're talking 25 lbs or so. A 2000W hub motor can be safely run at 3240W (72V 45A) easily, that's 15 lbs and $220. Controller is another 2 lbs and $50-80. 72V 20Ah battery is 18 lbs and $500. Now we're looking at 60 lbs, the remaining 2 lbs is eaten up by the display ($50-100), cables and various knickknacks (to use the technical term) and that's $1300 and 62 lbs.
So, it's cutting it pretty close, and I have a feeling his full-suspension bike weighed more than 25 lbs since I'd feel sketch putting that much power through something that lightweight, but I think any bike with net weight under 70 lbs can get away with bragging rights for "half the weight of a surron" even though the exact halfway point would be 62 lbs.
@@lewisedwardson7776a 72v 20A for $500?¿? What cells and BMS you basing that off?
Hard to believe without evidence. You're going to have to prove that somehow bunny boy
I have both, prefer hub drive. I prefer to throttle the bike with the pedals rather than with the throttle.
360 amps for the controller is probably not accurate, from other controllers I've seen it's probably phase apps but I definitely like the find
Nice!!! I'm a hub guy all the way, but I'm feeling the style of it. Is that a fat tire? or could it be made to be as well?
I like the look and style of it sweet!!
Nice bikes. I like the one with the pedals. I should be getting my new Goat Power bikes in a couple weeks 60v 20ah with a 50 amp controller. They are also bringing out a 72v 30ah battery much like the E ride pro similar price point. Should be out for pre-order sometime in January.
The goat is coming out with a 72v??
The Dirt Goat is 72v@@andyfumo8931
Dang would've been sick if they did a mid motor with hub motor bike but I'm upset for the mid motor doesn't attach pedals but the hub has it what?
The hub version does look like it might be my 1st pick but If you stunt ride chain drive all day I would haft to test em to see the performances .
Can you or have you made a video on hydraulic disk brakes and how to maintain them? I recently switched to hydraulics and got them working but have no idea how to maintain them
What’s your thoughts on the eROCKIT One. Looks like the ultimate E-bike hybrid.
What's the point of an ebike this powerful? The pedals are vestigial at this when you approach something like this. Why not just get a Surron or Talaria?
I say go even further, why not have 2 hub motors and a mid-drive on there for a 3 motor setup. If you're feeling really crazy you could tow around a couple of 200amp batteries in a baby trailer and add 2 external large training wheels with hub motors in them and have 5 motor setup. As far as global warming is concerned, no one ever asked us the question "Do you want global warming?" I say yes! I say it's not going fast enough! They've been promising for decades we'd be Tatooine in Star Wars by now and it still hasn't happened. I'm old enough to remember the "Global cooling" scare of the 70's as a kid after only a few bad winters. Hell at this pace we'll only get to the Medieval warming period levels in hundreds of years. The Holocene period where the great empires arose, the Romans, Greeks, Persians, etc. Hell that may take thousands of years at this rate or not all all. I want to do my part for global warming so we can all ride our bikes year round. Do I have to light more tires on fire? Do I need to do more slash and burn agriculture? I turned out the mixture screws on my motorcycle out a quarter turn and drive around a lot the day after Earth day(f$ck the earth day, look it up). We need to get this ball rolling. I'm freezing my ass off every winter as I work outside WITH a heated vest and gloves in the winter -20C or not. You have to ask yourself "Are you doing your part for global warming?" They got me sold. Great video brother.
This made my day 😅
Cheers brother, keep the rubber side down.@@BeauMcKeeRecordings
There's a Canadian RUclips ebike guy with a 3 motor cheetah
That is a good looking ride. I like the look of the mid drive better than the hub. I don’t think I could get away with it as a commuter though due to local laws 🤷♂️
I have those gloves .. I’m pretty sure u can find better for cheaper they cost about 200 bucks . It doesn’t get that warm tbh n it give u numb fingertips
What’s your thoughts on eROCKIT One. It’s a Hybrid e-bike.
*Heated socks/gloves r a must! 7.4v 5000mah battery, buy extra batteries or make them, totally makes riding more comfortable in 20-30 degree weather! Heated jacket is also next level!*
Heated mangina too? Wtf do you think we've done all our lives when snowmobiling etc? We dressed warm but we moved around and sometimes sweat so all that heating undies bull is corny and overkill.
It's pitch dark out right now at 4:06pm in chicopee ma ....by the way this bike is sick. I should of saved up instead of purchasing my wired freedom😔
I'm very curious about what you do for a career. Especially with a $200 gym membership. Seems like unless you are filthy rich, that's incredibly poor money management.
RUclips? 😅😂
After 1 year of watching - you seem to be full on motorcycle mode.