Warcraft III Reforged: Undead Units Comparison (2002 VS 2020)
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2019
- That's right, the undead video is finally here!
While many of the textures look amazing, some of them don't feel very Warcrafty. Still, this is a ton better than the original obviously and it will be great for some TDs or Dota. ;p
P.s. Arthas looks SIIICKKK
```Other comparison videos below```
Burning Legion/Demons Video:
• Warcraft III Reforged:...
Naga Video:
• Warcraft III Reforged:...
Humans Video:
• Warcraft III Reforged:...
Orcs Video:
• Warcraft III Reforged:...
All Units Video:
• Warcraft III Reforged:...
Night Elf Video:
• Warcraft III Reforged:...
Neutral Units (Creeps) Video:
• Warcraft III Reforged:...
Arthas Scourge Menu Screen Video:
• Warcraft III: Reforged... 
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For more Warcraft 3 Reforged Comparisons and Cinematics check in the video Description / Reforged Playlist!
Can you compare armies of exigo ????? Some one say this rip-off warcraft in 2004 was better than warcraft III Reforged
@@langonthanhtinh6008 I will check what you mean lol.
Congrats on the channel growth!
@@justaguy8446 Thanks :P But it's not that much lol.
Just mostly getting lucky with views cus people do like what i do, or look for the things that i make :P
Bethesda: *ships an unfinished game
Blizzard: *makes an 18 year old FINISHED game unfinished
LOL, kind of funny and sad at the same time. I even made a video about that recently as well.. shame really
How do you not understand this new business model. It's actually quite brilliant. First, they make an awesome game, make you fall in love with it. Second, they make you all nostalgic and release a 'Reforged' version (obviously they wont give everything you want at this point that would be just stupid). Three, they release a 'Repolished' version of the 'Reforged' version which was a 'Remake' of the original version. Ez money $$$
@@CuriousDaeron you apparently don't get it. everyone knows that's what they're going for. it's the essence of the game that the players loved and is now ruined. hope you never become a game dev.
ZUN: I always finish my games
Arthas has some problems with his nervous system.
Probably that arrow from Sylvanas ;p It does wonders for his dancing lessons tho
@@Starfals jajajajaja XD
Loool
He let his mount drank too much coffee
No hes just vibbin
For all devs and future devs, students take this as a lesson. Good graphics dont means anything if you dont have a good animation on the characters and personalities incorporate
Take off the nostalgia glasses buddy.
@@fredericoalves93 stop calling out people's taste when you unironically play hearthstone lmao
2020 acolyte: classy, gentle coughing.
2002 acolyte: coughing intensifies, has the plague, is dead inside,
LOL so true XD The old one is almost gonna die from the plague
"My life for Ner'zhul" and "Where is my lumpy still?" Are my favourite acolyte's quotes
@@garibaldibritann1240 "Where shall my blood be spilled", you mean?
@@JuggerKnight717 yes
I dont think anyone can argue the detail that was put into the models is impressive. They do look a lot better, the thing that irritates me the most is the lack of their animations and movement both in game and during in game cut scenes. They just sit there like chess pieces for the most part.
They had such an amazing opportunity to remake one of the greatest RTS's of all time and instead further pissed off an already pissed off fan base.
Indeed! Also, the art style for some models is waaays off from what it could have been. But that's all.
Oh wait, also the promised remade campaigns ... i guess. But if we forget about that, it's just the art style and animations that are lacking. Most people keep complaining about the art, so it must be a big reason.
The detail is there, so that cant be denied.
P.s. Water is also lacking big time btw
2020 models are well modeled but lack a lot in terms of effect and animation movements (arthas look like he want to go to the bathroom so bad xD)
Hahaha, thats a new one. 10/10 for that joke lol
This is still in beta, not the final version. this one still looks like its obviously missing some final polishing before release
@@adhamashraf9931 and after release
Warcraft 3: Refund
Adham Ashraf “final polishing”, huh?
The originals were more expressive and had more personality with 30 times less polygons.
Because they used the few polygons that they had wisely and where they should. I swear, sometimes i dont even know what im looking at with the new models :P
True shi t!
@@Starfals the new ones do look way better though lol
Because when low poly, to give out more detail, they use hand drawn texture, which usually use high color contrast to make up with the low poly.
The reverse happen with high poly, since the poly is many, they pick less contrast color, much less black. The greyish and midtone is what makes it's harder to see and comprehend what you were seeing. The high poly that very messed up was at Bone Wyrm Building, very confusing.
Nevertheless, both were good art.
Fuck u that’s not true you purist
the old ones seem more lively and active then the new ones.
Justin Smith then they must be more ‘undead’
Maybe Blizzard is still working on some new animations for them
more real
@@sayonaragx1430 hope so
Beta
*The new acolyte:* I should hire a professional designer to do this skull design on my robe
*The old acolyte:* Screw it, I'll draw it myself
Check my neutral creep unit comparison, it has the acolytes there to but, i compare them to the MOD of WC3. It has skulls there and its very good looking.
Fancy robe - for a servant acolyte
9:14 - the Classic one is crying, the Reforged one is vomiting... just like everyone's feelings about this games.
Made the undead more melancholic than gross
2:53 dafuq is that idle animation
Reminds me sex lol
They should've gone with the older shade design, the fact that he's actually a shade and not some weird spawn/venom mix
For sure, it was more fitting and scary/creepy
1:19 T H I C C
:P
I am tempted to kick the X on his left buttcheek lol
E X T R A T H I C C
119
thicc sucks
not too much for 18 years
Cus they are using the same WC3 engine from 2002 ;/ They cant do too much
@@Starfals why they didnt used the engine from strarcraft 2?
@@fakokero55 so there can be cross play between wc3 and wc3 reforged players with all the old maps still working, it's like the starcraft thing they did, just updated the graphics a wee bit
This is literally looks like a custom map lmao
@@troymigueldimacali9788 that's essentially what it is
Me clicks on a crate
Arthas: YOUR PAIN SHALL BE LEGENDARY!!!
Arthas has no chill, apparently.
"I will make you suffer!"
"You are in endless torment!"
"Faithless coward!"
😂
That lich was like
2002 : a college student
2020 : a college professor
:P 18 years passsed, he finally knows enough!
lmao
The first thing i expect to hear from Acolytes is ... The Damned stand ready! and Where shall my blood be spilled?
Uhhh... why would they need dam? They spread the plague with grain and not water
@@justnoob8141 it would affect humans outside lordaeron direct control. Grains only affect huge villages, but if dam is plagued, then fishermen and isolated villagers can get plague from eating fish
Just Noob it’s not the ‘dam’ goddammit. It’s referring to the ‘damned’ as in ppl that have been ‘damned’ to hell for doing bad things. The acolyte is just saying that all the ppl that were damned to hell stand ready
jaden yeoh soon meng pretty sure he already change from Dam to Damned by this point
"My life for Ner'zhul!"
Me in 2002: YASS THIS IS SO REALISTIC
Same and also me when Half Life 1 came out in 1998
@@Starfals 19s game/old games r better than most of the new one ;_;
@@WhoTfAmI_HuH688 True true :D i cant deny it
I really like the new models, but I hope the idle animations make it into the game. It's nice whenever they do something silly cuz they've been idle for too long.
Especially the orcs :D they got some funny ones
i miss the footman drinking with his helmet still on
thegame is still in development
@@openize1928 2 years later and still in development?
3:16 Why is Arthas dancing to the rythm?
Haha, i never noticed that! :D
because he is now riding with the late invicible
Really looks like he is beating his meat!
Yep he is trying to fall a sleep since he close hes ayes xD
Lol i thought the same
I've see more animation come from chess pieces then the reforged units
EDIT: If you pay attention too, the animations for the reforged units are also on a loop. Smh.
Characters from 2002 has more interactive feel to them instead if the current ones
No
No
Sexysaurus Rex @@Alex.762 Yes
@@subzer0pl stfu
No
The original will always hold a special place in my heart ^_^ all those memories can never be replaced. Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos and The Frozen Throne :D
Yess! Its one of the best games ever, with the longest lasting gameplay too :P I still play it until this day
@@Starfals EYYYY!!!! *HIGH FIVE* SAME HERE LOL! :D
Even here...
Reign of chaos and frozen throne were far better than world of Warcraft
If you're up to join a group on discord, dedicated to playing the classic Warcraft 3 and we play nightly LAN games on bnet version 1.27 and 1.26 let me know, im staff in an upcoming great group of gamers who prefer the classic vs reforged. Let me know. We also have a Facebook too. Please join
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@@Starfals do u recommend it play the 2020 version or frozen throne? because i wanted to play warcraft again and i dont play the game since 2002
18 years between these 2. Holy crap, time flies without even thinking about it.
For sure, i still play the normal Warcraft 3, and it feels like yesterday when it came out xD
@@Starfals it sure does! The first blizzard game i bought was Diablo 1 in 1997. Blizzard is the best when it comes to gaming, most popular until this day and will be for many years to come. I can only see success with Wc3 reforged. The only company that can compete with Blizzard when it comes to gaming culture is Valve.
2:55 why is the statue humping the floor
That's a fitting questing for a person with ur name xD! ( I cant answer sadly lol)
some upgrades i felt looked quite reasonable, like lich/kel, also the transition of arthas seemed to flow abit better.
but some units were upgraded too much, i mean acolytes and necromancers are like your workers and early units, they shouldnt be dressed all gaudy and look like an advanced unit... the previous polygon count kinda gave you an instinctive idea on how important or threatening some units were by visual cues.
then there's the color, some units had too much detailed areas that they lost alot of colour coded areas to easily identify which team they should be on
Thats a good point! They look as if they are the leaders of the race LOL.
You like the new Kel/Lich? The fuck man, that's the worst adaptation out of all of the units, even worst than death knight Arthas constipated face.
I feel the same way with the new Footmen tbh.
Just bleh, they look to fancy for my tastes and god those huge pauldrons
0:25 well the new one looks more badass than any heroes
exactly what i thought. it's a damn cultist, not the lich king himself, why is his attire richer that most heroes ?
Yah frfr
8:30
Interesting re-design. Now this obsidian guy looks like a hybrid of Summerian deity Lamassu and Egyptian god Anpu.
I prefer it from the weird thing the old one was
Ngl I don't like the old one, it looks creepy and he has that "I raped your wife last night lmao" smile.
You Had One Job to do... and you blew it blizzard.
They also blow China /hint hint
Looks pretty good to be honest ... if it was released in 2008.
XD Many good games came in 2008 actually
The artwork lost some sort of humour, only more darkness
Yea, it got more realistic thats why
I feel the opposite, it's less dark and more bright.
The Abomination's leg is no longer deformed, the Altar of Darkness is a crowned skeleton instead of a mysterious unknown dead cultist, and the skulls overall look more "alive" and aggressive and less dark, empty, grim and void.
The buildings are no longer desecrated/repurposed human buildings but have their own style (Crypt, Graveyard).
Am I the only one who doesn't like the Panda glaives of the Demon Hunters?
GOD BEAR, that's true. Darkness has been highlighted.
@@ammagon4519 They are horrible
Old Blizzard: Guys, our game don't have the best textures but we put a lot of soul into it.
New Blizzard: What's a soul? Forget the soul, put the price 60 dollars more than the original.
Chinese company: $$$
Chinese people only care about them money, its a fact. I honestly dont get it. They are more capitalist than America.. and they are communist haha.
After seeing all the game clips of reforged version all I can say its not a good upgrade IMO. sorry blizzard.
Yea, because they just had to do what they did with Starcraft 1. Just copy it and make it HD. They felt like redoing it.. remaking it or whatever. Making a "new" game on top of the old one. Som things look good but yea, not all is perfect and you can see it
They should've just made an new game. Heck, I think that they could've kept going after Warcraft 3. By now we could've been at Warcraft 10 lol.
goin back on my comment now look what happen as predicted the reforged sucks ruclips.net/video/gui2AqOfVwA/видео.html
The original is the best one to me. :>)
Its more colorful and people love the original ones more :P
holly true :)
The units have been... CHINAFIED.
3:45
Look at the Reforged Death Knight while listening to "What is love"
Hahaha yea, other noticed that too lol
WHAT IS LOVE?! BABY DONT HURT MEee..
The look the old lich gave the first new one was like "Really? THAT'S what you're going for?"
I don't know about you but I think the way the reforged didn't quite captured the feeling of war3 in aesthetics(I'm not criticizing it,it looks awesome) to me.Like the original Arthas looks better to me than the re one,same for the necromancer.
@Mr Bleach Maybe,but a remaster's job is to recapture the that times when the game was released.that is what the fans wanted
@Mr Bleach A remaster's job is actually pretty subjective, both of you are neither wrong on what you believe and I agree with both of you, let's just wait until the game is actually released, most of this is still subject to change anyways
Even if they tried to precisely copy WC3 without trying to improve anything, it still wouldn't feel right - the game would be build on a modern platform; it would run too smoothly, edges would be too clear, animations would be too smooth, lightning wouldnt be right etc. I'm all for shitting on Blizzard but you cannot realistically expect to get the same feeling as when you play(ed) the original WC3. Play Reforged for pure gameplay (assuming it's more polished and better looking than the original when it releases), play the original Warcraft 3 for feelings.
they make wrong colors, like with Arthas cloak, etc, alot of luminous things are disappeared, and some shapes of buildings have changed with another models like "entrence" etc, some objectes fill with colors that is not in original w3 so they miss this details and we feel it
I like the new Arthas better. He looks more terrifying honestly and more of what he should pre lich king. The older model reminded me too much of a 90s cartoon villain....half expected him to pull a skeletor. NYEH!!
Sorry Blizzard, not enougth to have my money.
If you're up to join a group on discord, dedicated to playing the classic Warcraft 3 and we play nightly LAN games on bnet version 1.27 and 1.26 let me know, im staff in an upcoming great group of gamers who prefer the classic vs reforged. Let me know.
@@gordondave7956 yes classic is much better then this Downgrade joke
@@sszarkk6054 ok join the fb group and I'll link discord etc later TTYL I sleep
@@sszarkk6054 facebook.com/groups/222778505419403/
True shi t! we’re not gonna waste money on this sh it. Would rather throw the money down a drain....
1:16 EXTRA THICCC
XD
Thicc AF
The original's refresh animations are so much smoother.
After watching this. I just feel sadness rather than excitement... Feels like the higher ups are pushing employees to rush everything. The details are good but there's no distinction between heroes and mobs... Color as a whole doesn't have the scourge feel idk maybe its just me. Anyways just my personal opinion. Still a good job done so far considering such a short time
They had a very short time to do this, it didn't take 18 years, it took them 1 and a bit more from what i hear. I wish they had more time to do more however, this is not enough. You are not exactly wrong, many people said a similar thing so there must be some truth to it :P
there's a reason why it's still beta in the first place, it's to get feedback from the users. Things are bound to change for sure, like animations and lip sync. I don't know about bad models though, the new Jaina doesn't look good with those cheekbones.
@@heavysaber9431 what about now? Do you regret it?
@@bowowoy803 I regret nothing because I didn't even buy reforged in the first place lmao, sucks to be a gullible buyer no?
@@heavysaber9431 "Things are going to change, it's just beta" You were saying? To some extent i wish you were right. But sadly beta for Blizzard is not to improve game just promote it. They NEVER fix anything in beta. Even when there are gamebraking bugs they release then after months of complaint they patch it. Not just for wc3 but wow as well.
The models from 2002 have a special charm to them that the 2020 models lack complety
Cus its an asian game now, check my last video about it.
Let's put the same shoulder pads on everything, even some of the buildings.
To be honest, orc buildings did have a lot of them
Thats the blizzard way :) Giant shoulders for everyone!
Better than the job that starcraft remastered done. Still a lot of cool stuffs got removed. Like some particle effects and transparent textures
Vanilla was actually disturbing to look at. Reforge is just plastic
Indeed, its kind of creepy and Reforged never gives me that feel
New ones looks like assets to some mobile game.
Craftwar: Shadow Legends
Haha, everyone keeps saying that LOL
Lets be honest back in 2003 when WC3 was released that graphics was considered fking amazing and now in 2020 sure it looks cooler but by our standards it’s alright I’d say also I can’t believe the cinematic and cutscenes in WC3 is still more lively and emotional than WC3 reforged
Why does the old one looks better than the new one?
Is this one of those less is more situation?
No, its just you literally needing glasses and having a garbage opinion?
@@resolutionblaze363 DUDE. the quality of the reforged models are obviously better. But they are seriously lacking in effects. As many of these youtube comments say, they are less lively/active. Which is a darn shame.
@@resolutionblaze363 my glasses are on and Im a character designer, the models are beautiful but you cant forget that this is a game, the models need to have distinctive features and readability not just fancy details which you wont see 99.99% of the time. Amazing models but terrible for a strategy game especially since the mobs and heroes almost look the same lol
@@trm245 low polygons do that
Because there are low polygons it's *going* to have a point of interest
@@trm245 1 thing is for sure, the colors and contrast are off. That alone makes the original look better. Also the whole game has a blurry vibe at times. Even with AA off, it still feels 20% reduced.
When it comes to the models i wont comment, people can see that for themselves
It's just doesn't look and feel right that they removed some effects? -- Like the purple light from the banshee and the wringling plasma from the zigurrat? The structural details look better now though, even though they still look unfinished. But they look more scary and demonic now, which is a good thing, I guess. 🤔
Anyway, Nyx Assassin looks really cool! 😊 And also the beetle and destroyer. I like it!
But what the hell happened to Arthas? 😂
Nyx is amazing indeed! He looks perfect at least lol. Dont ask about Arthas haha :P
Btw, some of the effects were added later on, this was in the beta, so the final version looks better now :)
Amazing video thank you
Graveyard could do without the eyes in the doorway. That seems more haunted house of fun instead of structure for an army to wipe the planet clean
Warcraft III is a man of culture now
i mean, he's 18 now
Finally an adult ;p
I love the old majestic Frost wyrm than the little skeleton dragon in a reforged version 😂😂
Hahaha :P
The 2003 rendition of lich sent chills the first time I saw it when I did the undead campaign and still strikes an impression compared to the over saturation of armor design of the recent ones and models, less is more as some masters say, I'm studying animation and hope to achieve the same level of design and animation from this masterpiece of a game.
I wish you good luck, it is a really good one for sure! Its hard not to appreciate it ^^
It's insane to think that this game came out the year I was born. And it's still one of the best(most memorable) games I've ever played
1:15 Well and the Monstrosities got some HD ass. I mean, why not, seems total legitimate to me.
You should see the new video that i just made :D the harpy's got some real sexy butts
Honestly I har higher expectations for 18 years of tech improvements
I am so cannot wait this.
Damn they really made scourge look proper scary, with these models.
People hate it because they look scarier than derpier
@@justnoob8141 The ghoul looks kind of funny tho ;p
I think it will get better and better, nearing the release. I look forward to it
I hope so too! So far it looks 90% great, but some units just dont look good, others look good but they dont fit their role or even the Warcraft theme. At least they will polish them more when the game comes out.
Rubbish ,It is twenty years
3:56
Old Arthas: You having a seizure or something?
XD He probably saw the review scores
These all look pretty good to me. Better than the other factions imo
. Though like you say in the description, they don't look all that warcrafty, but really very few of the reforged models do.
I'm really glad they didn't royally fuck up undead, because it's always been my favourite.
why does the animation not loop properly? Do they sutter like this in-game as well?
Mostly not, ive seen it a few times... but 90% of the times = no
It used to happen more, but they mostly fixed that.
2020 reforge is like a rich kid with all money and stuff trying to be 2002 original one. Graphics and details looks great but for me it seems doesn’t get the characters.
The reforged models look shit
4:28 I would definately buy the Reforged version if it had this song
Song is "Carrion Waves" from the original OST for anyone interested
It should, its wonderful and very undeady :P
Frostmourne hungers
what is the latest Map of warcraft kindly give the link please,Asap
Just saying though, since skeleton mages is reanimated from corpse to undeath mage, just from where did those classy crystall coming from?
Arthas looks like he's about to cry. ROFL
He found out how low the score of Reforged is.. :P (check my last video about it, the 1 with the lies xD)
Fuck you
Didn't know azeroth resided in the USA.
Make Azeroth Great Again
Azeroth is USA east, lordaeron is USA west
At least according to the battle net server list.
The sprites are so shabby that i cant think that Blizzard made both, if you look closely to the movement of the Abominations or the Ghouls, you can see the frame where his "movement" resets
How did you get this footage ??
Well, you have to evolve. So, it's fine with the new ones. But the former units will always have a special attachment
For sure, they will always have a place in my heart. People love the old models
Och Jesus, i love that soundtrack.. i love Scourge.
For the Scourge!
@@Starfals ,,The skies turn red with the blood of the fallen ! The Lich King watches over us, minions! Leave only ashes and misery in your destructive wake !'' For the Lich King !
I love the new modelings.
Check some of my other videos then! There are some really cool new models there (from the neutral units or elf/orc units)
Is this the final look or will there be improvements on release?
I'm uploading a new Reforged video now, and even there you can see how they improved a few effects and things that were missing. It is improving, and there might be a few more things that they will add, but nothing huge.
It will release after 25 days or something, so no time for huge changes.
Old ones will always be the best
Sure, nobody can take that away from us :) there will be option to use the old ones
If it wasn't for the old ones the new ones wouldn't look that awesome ❤️
@@jollyhotdog2641 the new ones look like they belong in a shitty Chinese mmo
The news ones are way better. What's the point of playing it if you're going to play with the old models xD
@@veneficus582 that's your opinion. But for me and many others the old ones are better
The wings from the frostwyrms are waaay to small.
In classic they look like a real wyrm, huge and majestic knowing these things cost everything you have but they have the highest dmg...
Indeed. It is the only thing that bothers me with the new frostwyrm. They recently said why btw.. because it was blocking gameplay and the screen so they had to make them small and dumb.
Dude.... looks like a flying dog that hasn't eaten in decades with wings.🤦🏻♂️
What soundtrack is this video?
Not bad at all! I´m quite suprised how well they transferred old look into new one.
Seems very seamless right? Almost like its too easy lol
Btw 2020 release date, it was just announced :) I KNEW IT! :D :D
Going to play again after 10years
You should :D Its a ton of fun
Guys! Can i borrow for test :"((
Where can i get the game please...?I want to play the reforged version so much :.D
I think you gotta do another video my dude
So basically the new models follow the clusterfuck design on the new transformers.
Ye, where u got no idea whats going on lol
Screw this, we need a WC4 already
It is about time we get it, but with WoW still being a thing.. i dont know if WC4 will ever happen
kinda agree with NAGA full playable race I think its better, I don't really quite get in the 1st place why NAGA are not playable on FT multiplayer?
i think people were already asking for wc4 for the past 10 years, but blizzard doesn't seem to care about rts games anymore.
heck, they didn't even bother to improve WoW in terms of graphics.
Whats up with the animation loops?
5:23 2020's Arthas feels the beat of the music :D
The designer of this game in the last 20 yrs were more skilled than this year.
the sizing of nearly all units is not correct, from top down they look totally different and that's why I prefer the old graphics... Also because of the bad shading, there is something wrong with the colors.
Colors are very wrong, but i guess they wanted those new pale colors ;/
5:51 dreadlord 😱
Wer is the soul effe I have in the buldings I don't understand way to remove that cool efe
And why everything is more realistic in the reforged ?
I hope Life of a peasant comes back... I love that game lol
hell yeah! i miss that game.
custom games is out in beta not my kinda game but ive seen it hosted a few times.
they make wrong colors, like with Arthas cloak, etc, alot of luminous things are disappeared, and some shapes of buildings have changed with another models like "entrence" etc, some objectes fill with colors that is not in original w3 so they missed this details and we feel it
Yep, but still not a horrible remake.
I have the newest version, but why do I still have the old format/ old characters ?? Do I need to change the settings ?
Yeah, its in the settings ;p There is a button for it
@@Starfals thank you !
I'm still mad that a lot of the particle effects went MIA between 2002 and now.
a lot of these is just off, I don't know how to describe it. The abomination, one of the most recognizable features is it's big right eye sticking out, and the new one it is gone. The ghoul is hunched over in old one, now it is standing much straighter. Also the ghoul's face should resemble a skull. The shade just looks completely off. They did good job with buildings though.
Yep, same problems with the other races as well. Many things are off, as if they dont want to copy the old style and visuals ;/
the old graphics used a gelatoneous style movement for some undead the new graphics do not so things like the abominations shoulder muscle twitches basically dont exist makes it look less real imo
Damn if they remake the Tauren Chieftain song I'll lose it
Haha, i wonder if the models will be in game too hmm ;p
undeads a hard one the gelatoneous-ness of the old graphics style really works to their favor in realistic idle movements
They don't even bother to make a proper looping animations. Good job!