Also kinda Idunn is a neat contrast to Roy's entire journey; Roy basically got drafted while he was in the middle of a high school year to lead a whole army, which def puts Roy some pressure. After many hardships of the loss of people like Hector and seeing many of the neighboring territories suffer due to Zephiel's deadset ideal while also understanding the reasons of former enemies to ally under Bern; Roy hardened and was chosen by Harmut's Binding Blade prob cause it knew that Roy would have to make a hard decision when the moment with Idunn came. At the end, Roy not only was physically strong enough to wield the Binding Blade, but also mentally strong to spare Idunn and give her a second chance in life
@@zzzmeta4555 I think what we missed were the tests the 8 Legends Laid on each respective temple, with said Legends confronting the MCs, like with Hector and Eliwood, tho lorewise it makes sense, as the seals were broken years ago, and the souls were not there anymore (or they did not have that concept in mind until FE7, prob the latter)
@Tu-Li-Oh An interesting idea that to any future remakes Of binding blade. I mean if you go for the true ending Roy pretty much stays behind to make certain to bring her out to safety As the temple collapses. As i've noticed when fire emblem heroes kind of expands On the human dragon war from Elibe. Roy's decision Was the pick the peaceful option the chance to fix the wrongs that were done on Idunn. Even Idunn shares no hatred to Zephiel, thankful to him for freeing her which gave Roy and Fa the chance to restore her. In a way the restored her is trying to pursue Zephiel lash wish but in a BETTER manner as Zeph Was not wrong When he called out the worst and humanity. As a larger amount the bosses even some of the sympathetic ones Pretty much proved his point About the madness of humanity. But as roy told him, he pretty much just gave up and lived under some imaginary belief that dragons were Far superior and better when they made the same mistakes humanity did Even if they were back in a corner! Didn't make what they did to idunn right. Even Yahn stated Humanity did nothing wrong winning over the Dragons. Him giving you a GOOD idea that the dragons who fought Humanity (those who stayed) were not to different and even held no grudge because "Survial of the fittest" (Arcadia did show long before the Ice Dragon Siblings that Dragons and Humans CAN get along. Both sides just chose not to consider this and fought a pointless war. Funny how the other heroes minus the Saint FINALLY understood Helmut's reasoning for sparing Idunn later then the road, especially Athos as shown in Blazing Sword)
I think what makes Idunn so special to me is the fact that while she’s the final boss, she isn’t the main villain, not by a long shot. The only other game that does that is FE7 but that’s just a random war dragon so lol. Zephiel was Roy’s main enemy in terms of opposing them both physically and ideologically, and with the true ending chapters with Roy learning about Idunn’s plight mirrors Hartmut in sparing her life, but instead of just sealing her, Roy gives her a second chance at life in Arcadia so she can fully become “Herself” again. I love this shit lol
I've really never understood the complaint that Idunn is an easy final boss. Firstly, because I never considered her the final boss, that's Zephiel. The last chapters are your reward/victory lap for getting all the Legendary weapons. Most if not all of the main story arcs are resolved by defeating Zephiel, meeting Jahn and Idunn is just tying up loose ends and giving you more lore and context for the world as a whole. Also, compared to BS final bosses like Shadow Dragon and New Mystery Medeus that more or less require serious cheese strats, or Tellius' final bosses that can only be fought with the main lord, I'll take an underwhelming boss any day of the week.
It's coming from the same people who hate Event bosses. The bosses who you're not supposed to lose/win against like Cloud vs Sephiroth at the end of FF 7 which was an interactive cutscene. Or Yu Yuvon at the end of FF10. Or both final forms of Ganondorf in BoTW (Dark Beast) and ToTK (Funny enough the usual outcry for that one is lesser. Good cause I'm tired of idiots whining about "Finish Line" final bosses) They feel ALL bosses should be a challenge and these Bosses should be a cutscene because it really comes down to THEIR complaints and about THEM! They just crowd together and play that "everybody agrees with them" I mean even the FUCKING LORE stated when the Heroes got to Idunn, she didn't put up a fight and it was how Helmut realized what Idunn truly was! Hence him sealing her with the hope the future generation will choose to save her (Note saving her by having ROY beat her with the Binding Blade is optional. Meaning anyone who just goes to kill her is just a bloodthirsty asshole who went "too long didn't listen" to that facto. Yet complain and bitch! They complained for the sake of complaining and I have no time to deal with those type of People.
Because this is the finale of the game, yes Idoun is a tragic character, but she should not be this easy, look at the way her sprite is introduced at the beginning of a combat with her and the music playing, it's supposed to be epic based off of this, it's not keeping some sombre music playing in the background but this grand epic piece of Roy trying to seal Idoun's power for good, it should be this massive battle between a Dragon that's ABOVE every other Manakete you've fought so far and this ultimate Sword, more powerful then the weapons that have been distorting reality. Her attacking only at 1-range is also just stupid, it is consistent with the other manaketes but it's disappointing, it's honestly not an exageration to say that Idoun is the easiest boss in the entire game. A part of this is because it really isn't even a map that you are fighting on, it's literally just Idoun and two other Manaketes, there's no wave to push through or anything to distract you from hitting Idoun twice, granted the other GBA final bosses share this problem but it's especially egregious here considering how much Idoun was hyped up throughout the entire game
@@samu1414 Fire Emblem's gameplay doesn't work with "hard" fights, especially in the endgame, where there's way too many variables to consider, and the bosses are essentially little more than stat checks The Black Knight in Path of Radiance is a "hard fight" and everyone agrees he fucking sucks because it's an RNG fest with no actual strategy involved, because of his big stats and the random nature of the game's leveling system which can leave Ike screwed If Idunn was harder it would be the exact same thing, setpiece bosses like that have to be easy If you want a "good" hard boss fight in Fire Emblem, you're better off making it an entire map, like, say, Nemesis in 3H or Sombron in Engage, especially since both of them kinda force you to interact with the map itself to beat them
Elibe is my favourite FE setting because of all the batshit stuff that has happened in it in the lore The war between Dragon and Human? Yeah, it got so brutal and so long that the speed of human reproduction became a factor The legendary weapons? No big dragon tooth this time, these weapons are so powerful that they will fuck up the world if used too much/too recklessly The dragons secret weapon? We essentialy killed a child and had her make us an army from nothing And that's only the stuff in the background of FE6, there also the nature of dark magic, Nergal and the Morphs, the Black Fang, whatever the fuck is going on with Renault and his connections to many characters... Also shoutouts to Fire Emblem Heroes for Ascended Idunn, honestly, the best of all the ascended next to Joshua.
If I ever got to work on a Fire Emblem 6 remake, the only OC I would add is a soldier (becomes a halberdier or a Holy Lancer) who has a strange appearance. Supports with characters would reveal that he is actually a Morph - a Morph who survived past the death of Nergal, but eventually developed their own identity and personality. It would also explain why he has such a low luck stat. But the fact that he has a luck growth at all suggests that maybe he did develop a soul? It's ambiguous - perhaps he was a Perfect Morph and Nergal didn't know? or was he simply another throwaway who survived by dumb fucking luck? Either way, he can be considered a person. He wouldn't have any romantic paired endings though - but if he has an "A" support with Sophia or Fae, his ending would change to mention that he has gone to Arcadia. Perhaps, like Idunn... he goes through a similar trial. Bartre, Marcus, and Karel would instantly recognise him as a Morph, but are surprised because Nergal is long dead.
6:12 peri from fates also has heterochromia but you can’t really tell because she is almost always depicted with one her eyes covered.there’s also alear from engage.
Minor correction, only Fae's Dragon Stone and Roy's Binding Blade deal any bonus damage to her. The rest of the dragon slaying weapons won’t be effective since she's classified as a demon dragon and not as a regular dragon.
It's a somewhat well-known fact that Idunn can be (IIRC) one-rounded by a completely unlevelled Roy. Given the fact that there is a removed Super-Darkstone in the game files, and that Roy is required to be the one to beat her if you want to get the best ending, I think that being able to do that is completely intentional on the part of the game designers.
I still stand by the fact that Roy is a badass, albeit an unassuming one. Bro's intelligent enough to lead an army, brave enough to face Eldritch monsters like Idunn, strong enough to decimate said monster, and compassionate enough to spare the same said monster, all at age _fifteen_ mind you. I think FE6's wacky game design plus his canonical young age is why he comes off as so weak in gameplay. But in lore, even though he's not a gigachad Lord like Ike or Chrom, he's no pushover, and he's got the most bravery and determination out of any FE protagonist bar none.
The new protagonist shares a number of traits with Idunn. Divine Dragon, two different eyes, and placed in rest until a new war begins. Can't wait for the rings to be the equivalent to war dragons.
So normally, I wouldn’t defend FEH, but I’d say the damaged art is at least tasteful in this case. Maybe I’m desensitized because I’ve seen worse in that game (and other gachas).
Imma be real with you, I think any alt/damaged portrait that rips any clothes off is tasteless, regardless of how it is in comparison. I have a deep hatred for how gacaha games degrade characters, so I REALLY hate Idunn's damaged art, especially given how cool and conservative her normal art is.
@@femspaint2911 I wouldn't say *All* cloth removal is bad, as long as it's small and looks like actually damage from weapons, it's good, like Brave Eliwood or Jill for example, they have damage that definitely looks done by weapons, but also lose some parts of their clothing without it looking vulnerable or degrading. And then you have stuff like Lethe and Halloween Grima, which are just...No...
i love to imagine that Idunn was also an especially weak Divine Dragon before becoming the Demon Dragon. Fae, a baby, absolutely destroys her, and she was the one who ended up getting captured by the other dragons. the thing that makes her strong is the ability to create war dragons, nothing else.
Tangentially related to the video, I don't think Hartmut actually pitied Idunn. We know that the Sword of Seals changes based on the person wielding it. In addition, we know Al is at least canon to some extent considering his sword makes an appearance in Chapter 13. As the events of the novel must be canon to some extent, Hartmut must seal away Al, his own son. When talking to Melitha, Hartmut seems incredibly upset about having to seal away his family as well, but he still doesn't kill them outright. I might be overthinking it, but it seems like (to me at least) Hartmut doesn't want to kill. Rather he kills only because the dragons he fought were also fighting to kill, hence why he chooses to seal his wife, child, and Idunn.
Fun Fact: The game files have a Dragon Stone for Idunn that would have given her, like, a gajillion stats. And Roy Still dumpsters her it just takes two rounds instead of one. it probably got scrapped because it would make her fucking unkillable if you don't have Binding Blade or Fae (Idunn doesn't take Eff Damage from the S-rank weps). They should have atleast let Idunn hit 2 range and not ORKO'd by a not-much-investment roy, she shouldn't be THAT pathetic. Though I wouldn't be suprised if they locked her to 1-range because they, for whatever reason, couldn't program it correctly alongside the fact that she has 3 attack animations 0:39 to be fair, the Fire Dragon being easy is less of an issue with the boss's difficulty and more just Luna being broken. and Fe8 as a whole is one of the easiest FE games
Funny to hear the comparison to Gwyn, that's also how I described my thoughts about this boss to someone. I always really appreciated Idunn's character, the position of 'non combatant, super tragic character forced to fight against her will' unexpectedly makes the final boss fight kinda sad. Killing her is easy because, even as it's presented in the story, killing her is the easy path. It's sparing her that's the "real challenge". Side note, Ascended Idunn (or Happy Idunn as I always remember her) is one of my favorite additions to the gacha game. One of the few things Heroes has been good for is squeezing extra writing potential out of good characters like Idunn. ...Plus it's just nice to see our girl doing better.
People don't understand that the REAL final fight of FE6 is chapter 21, where you fight and defeat the entire Bern army in one of the biggest fight of the entire serie, 18 characters against billions of wyverns. Killing Zephiel is a first closure to the story, but isn't really a hard chapter. All the chapters after it, the true ending, are easy, because it's basically a victory lap and a reward (for finding and keeping ALL legendary weapons) rather than a brutal final showdown.
'bit late to the party, but there are a couple reasons why I think this doesn't fly : First, there's Jahn. Jahn is one of the strongest Fire Dragons there is, and she's significantly stronger than him. He also goes down even easier than her. Second, for anyone who isn't Roy, or Fa (a divine dragon), or something specific like a capped Berserker critting with Armads... Iduun really isn't that weak. She's still not incredibly difficult or anything, but even the strongest characters in the game with the strongest legendary weapons usually need three rounds of combat to kill her, and while it's true she cannot counter at range, most weapons that can significantly hurt her are melee weapons. She's also quite strong and can 2HKO a lot of people. I think what her fight and the dragon temple before it are actually meant to convey, is that the legendary weapons, and the Binding blade in particular... are truly busted. ... at least before the former were shown struggling to kill an injured fire dragon infant, but hey, the Binding blade itself isn't in FE7(and the Durandal does instantly destroy an adult Ice dragon in that same game, we'll call it type effectiveness I guess).
Her Resplendent alt helps out a lot in capping off her story as she's seemingly gaining something of a soul back thanks to namely Fae but also everyone else in the Feh....verse....thing
Yeah I think it is kinda symbolic. No excuse for Jahn, though. All he needed was 1-2 range and he could’ve been a great penultimate boss before finally finishing off Idunn.
Honestly I think the Is interesting part about binding blade Is that Characters base stats and Growths Make sense to them. Cecilia sucks because she is still recovering from the beating she got from Zephiel and her Imprisonment during it. Sophia never faced threats like the Bern army before so is inexperienced. Percival and Derrick are badasses BECAUSE they experienced warriors already. Gonzales is inaccurate because he's more use to using his strength to solve things. Roy weakness symbolizes his growth as once he promotes and gets the Binding Blade he becomes Mighty. That doesn't mean much of that WAS a good idea (Roy ahould have promoted AFTER freeing his nation or better tet AFTER defeating Narcian! At that point it symbolized him becoming the leader of the Alliance against Bern) and a plus I gave future Emblems after Binding Blade was they started to lower the Character roster. As this meant less POINTLESS characters. Even "so-called" ones in post Awakening FE can still be viable to use. And Tier lists are ever changing. Seeing once BELOVED overhyped characters get lowered while "their forever bad" getting a jump up a rank or two. The older Emblems did make it hard to NOT change out chatacters as they came because of ease in making new ones viable. So happy to be able to use more characters then force a challange run on myself.
If I'm correct, either Peri or Niles is another character with heterochromia, though you can't normally see it since one of their eyes are covered. Saw screenshots a while ago of their models used for the Private Quarters stuff being altered to reveal their right eyes and for one of them, I think Peri, their right eye was green despite their left eye not being green. I'm not sure why Peri was given heterochromia considering you can never see her right eye through normal means; I don't think it's even visible in any Heroes art, but it's still interesting to see and know about.
How would you compare this with Veld from Thracia 776? I felt like he was a bit underwhelming compared to others, and that is before learning he can put to Berserk or Sleep via glitchs.
I disagree, while Veld is easy, yes, the final chapter: sworn upon the sword is one of the harder endgames, as the final six dreadlords (I know they're deadlords, I prefer dreadlords however) are the hardest enemies in the game and are capable of killing nearly everything if you do not plan out the chapter, if you do not utilize all tools available then there is every chance you lose God forbid you don't have warp or door keys or a bloody thief. Veld also has five additional shamans aiding him, if you don't know they're there that is all the time required for Veld to live and stone your army to hell and back.
Played this game recently and got scammed out of just one gaiden chapter and never got to fight idunn. Never played since, not dealing with Roy again. It's nice to see some love tho
I feel like underrating Idunn due to Roy being a statistically bad lord is both kinda funny and really dumb. I legitimately wonder where all these jokes and stuff will go if an FE6 remake comes out that buffs Roy to be good.
I watched this and skimmed through the comments but didn't see this mentioned. Idunn's being so weak in the game wasn't done intentionally and was actually a last minute change. If you datamine the game you can see leftover code, originally she was supposed to have a very powerful weapon which would also buff up stats A LOT, to the point where the dragon effective weapons would do maybe single digit damage and only the binding blade could do reasonable damage. Nobody's 100% sure why she made her so weak before release, it's thought that the developers were scared that players would run out of Binding Blade uses and just made her weak to be safe. It's odd because Binding Blade is pretty rough around the edges in all other aspects, it's likely harder than FE7 HHM and 8 yet has such an easy final boss. EDIT for grammar.
Yall wanna know the actual reason i got from a random youtube comment section that im too lazy to verify? If you notice, in the fight, even legendary weapons barely scratch idunn. At the very least, not at the same rate as the binding blade. This is because devs reeeaaaally wanted you to get the true TRUE ending by having roy kill her. Thing is, in the games code,you can find an unused dragon stone, the same as idunns, but one that grants her a shit ton of stats. An actually tough boss fight. With those stats, it is nigh-impossible to beat her without the binding blade, ensuring the true ending. However, devs got scared abt what would happen if the binding blade broke somewhere in the chapter or slightly before. Since that would basically be a softlock, they opted against the extra shit ton of stats and left the underwhelming one we have now. Cool vid though and probably the actual reason instead of something i read once.
Demon king is way worst… bishop, wyvern knights with pierce, triangle attack, him wasting a turn summon monsters, berserker staff on darcozombies, luna, legendary weapons, and yea lol
2:07 the only Dragonslayers that work on Idunn are the Binding Blade and Fae's Divine Stone. she is still piss easy, but Armads and Durandal wont deal effective damage against her.
I understand why she's like this, I just feel like the presentation isn't satisfying and I don't feel that it was delivered well + I thought the dragon sprite was kinda meh. Her theme is beautiful tho
@@kay_faraday Idunn's name, pronounced eee-doon, is from Norse culture, where it's the name of the Goddess of Youth, who is responsible for keeping the gods young and strong by feeding them her golden apples. No clue where Medeus' name, pronounced meh-dee-yus, comes from. EDIT: Medeus' name is apparently from Greek culture.
@@LittleAl016 I'm well aware of where Idunn's name is from, as well as the fact that the pronunciation you gave there is inaccurate, since it's my actual name and it's not pronounced like that :p
HELL no. Nergal's wife, Aenir, was an Ice Dragon from Ilia. She died during the scouring, and that's what caused Nergal to start studying dark magic and become evil.
@@implord4197 Nergal was already likely studying Dark Magic beforehand, I.E. WHEN he was living with Aenir. But his studies then were kinda more like Canas' and Niime's, for comparison. It was only after he met Athos and was led to Arcadia, which was in itself sometime after Aenir died, that he was driven to researching particularly forbidden Dark Arts.
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Also kinda Idunn is a neat contrast to Roy's entire journey; Roy basically got drafted while he was in the middle of a high school year to lead a whole army, which def puts Roy some pressure. After many hardships of the loss of people like Hector and seeing many of the neighboring territories suffer due to Zephiel's deadset ideal while also understanding the reasons of former enemies to ally under Bern; Roy hardened and was chosen by Harmut's Binding Blade prob cause it knew that Roy would have to make a hard decision when the moment with Idunn came.
At the end, Roy not only was physically strong enough to wield the Binding Blade, but also mentally strong to spare Idunn and give her a second chance in life
Ah Roy would have been a way more interesting protagonist if they played on this more in the game
@@zzzmeta4555 I think what we missed were the tests the 8 Legends Laid on each respective temple, with said Legends confronting the MCs, like with Hector and Eliwood, tho lorewise it makes sense, as the seals were broken years ago, and the souls were not there anymore (or they did not have that concept in mind until FE7, prob the latter)
@@zzzmeta4555 an interaction between Hartmut and Roy would have been super interesting.
@Tu-Li-Oh An interesting idea that to any future remakes Of binding blade.
I mean if you go for the true ending Roy pretty much stays behind to make certain to bring her out to safety As the temple collapses. As i've noticed when fire emblem heroes kind of expands On the human dragon war from Elibe. Roy's decision Was the pick the peaceful option the chance to fix the wrongs that were done on Idunn. Even Idunn shares no hatred to Zephiel, thankful to him for freeing her which gave Roy and Fa the chance to restore her. In a way the restored her is trying to pursue Zephiel lash wish but in a BETTER manner as Zeph Was not wrong When he called out the worst and humanity. As a larger amount the bosses even some of the sympathetic ones Pretty much proved his point About the madness of humanity. But as roy told him, he pretty much just gave up and lived under some imaginary belief that dragons were Far superior and better when they made the same mistakes humanity did Even if they were back in a corner! Didn't make what they did to idunn right. Even Yahn stated Humanity did nothing wrong winning over the Dragons. Him giving you a GOOD idea that the dragons who fought Humanity (those who stayed) were not to different and even held no grudge because "Survial of the fittest" (Arcadia did show long before the Ice Dragon Siblings that Dragons and Humans CAN get along. Both sides just chose not to consider this and fought a pointless war. Funny how the other heroes minus the Saint FINALLY understood Helmut's reasoning for sparing Idunn later then the road, especially Athos as shown in Blazing Sword)
Another factor is that Idunn was likely never meant for actual combat; she was just supposed to give birth to War Dragons like a queen bee.
Queen Bee!? Terraria reference!???
I think what makes Idunn so special to me is the fact that while she’s the final boss, she isn’t the main villain, not by a long shot. The only other game that does that is FE7 but that’s just a random war dragon so lol. Zephiel was Roy’s main enemy in terms of opposing them both physically and ideologically, and with the true ending chapters with Roy learning about Idunn’s plight mirrors Hartmut in sparing her life, but instead of just sealing her, Roy gives her a second chance at life in Arcadia so she can fully become “Herself” again. I love this shit lol
Erm actually it wqs a fire dragon not a war dragon
I've really never understood the complaint that Idunn is an easy final boss. Firstly, because I never considered her the final boss, that's Zephiel. The last chapters are your reward/victory lap for getting all the Legendary weapons. Most if not all of the main story arcs are resolved by defeating Zephiel, meeting Jahn and Idunn is just tying up loose ends and giving you more lore and context for the world as a whole. Also, compared to BS final bosses like Shadow Dragon and New Mystery Medeus that more or less require serious cheese strats, or Tellius' final bosses that can only be fought with the main lord, I'll take an underwhelming boss any day of the week.
I really adored seeing Idunn and Fae's interactions in Arcadia.
It's coming from the same people who hate Event bosses. The bosses who you're not supposed to lose/win against like Cloud vs Sephiroth at the end of FF 7 which was an interactive cutscene. Or Yu Yuvon at the end of FF10. Or both final forms of Ganondorf in BoTW (Dark Beast) and ToTK (Funny enough the usual outcry for that one is lesser. Good cause I'm tired of idiots whining about "Finish Line" final bosses) They feel ALL bosses should be a challenge and these Bosses should be a cutscene because it really comes down to THEIR complaints and about THEM! They just crowd together and play that "everybody agrees with them"
I mean even the FUCKING LORE stated when the Heroes got to Idunn, she didn't put up a fight and it was how Helmut realized what Idunn truly was! Hence him sealing her with the hope the future generation will choose to save her (Note saving her by having ROY beat her with the Binding Blade is optional. Meaning anyone who just goes to kill her is just a bloodthirsty asshole who went "too long didn't listen" to that facto. Yet complain and bitch! They complained for the sake of complaining and I have no time to deal with those type of People.
Because this is the finale of the game, yes Idoun is a tragic character, but she should not be this easy, look at the way her sprite is introduced at the beginning of a combat with her and the music playing, it's supposed to be epic based off of this, it's not keeping some sombre music playing in the background but this grand epic piece of Roy trying to seal Idoun's power for good, it should be this massive battle between a Dragon that's ABOVE every other Manakete you've fought so far and this ultimate Sword, more powerful then the weapons that have been distorting reality. Her attacking only at 1-range is also just stupid, it is consistent with the other manaketes but it's disappointing, it's honestly not an exageration to say that Idoun is the easiest boss in the entire game. A part of this is because it really isn't even a map that you are fighting on, it's literally just Idoun and two other Manaketes, there's no wave to push through or anything to distract you from hitting Idoun twice, granted the other GBA final bosses share this problem but it's especially egregious here considering how much Idoun was hyped up throughout the entire game
@@samu1414 Fire Emblem's gameplay doesn't work with "hard" fights, especially in the endgame, where there's way too many variables to consider, and the bosses are essentially little more than stat checks
The Black Knight in Path of Radiance is a "hard fight" and everyone agrees he fucking sucks because it's an RNG fest with no actual strategy involved, because of his big stats and the random nature of the game's leveling system which can leave Ike screwed
If Idunn was harder it would be the exact same thing, setpiece bosses like that have to be easy
If you want a "good" hard boss fight in Fire Emblem, you're better off making it an entire map, like, say, Nemesis in 3H or Sombron in Engage, especially since both of them kinda force you to interact with the map itself to beat them
Elibe is my favourite FE setting because of all the batshit stuff that has happened in it in the lore
The war between Dragon and Human? Yeah, it got so brutal and so long that the speed of human reproduction became a factor
The legendary weapons? No big dragon tooth this time, these weapons are so powerful that they will fuck up the world if used too much/too recklessly
The dragons secret weapon? We essentialy killed a child and had her make us an army from nothing
And that's only the stuff in the background of FE6, there also the nature of dark magic, Nergal and the Morphs, the Black Fang, whatever the fuck is going on with Renault and his connections to many characters...
Also shoutouts to Fire Emblem Heroes for Ascended Idunn, honestly, the best of all the ascended next to Joshua.
Don't forget the literal psychopath running around who would cut down anyone including children according to his Fe6 supports.
Gotta love Elibe lore
If I ever got to work on a Fire Emblem 6 remake, the only OC I would add is a soldier (becomes a halberdier or a Holy Lancer) who has a strange appearance. Supports with characters would reveal that he is actually a Morph - a Morph who survived past the death of Nergal, but eventually developed their own identity and personality. It would also explain why he has such a low luck stat.
But the fact that he has a luck growth at all suggests that maybe he did develop a soul? It's ambiguous - perhaps he was a Perfect Morph and Nergal didn't know? or was he simply another throwaway who survived by dumb fucking luck? Either way, he can be considered a person.
He wouldn't have any romantic paired endings though - but if he has an "A" support with Sophia or Fae, his ending would change to mention that he has gone to Arcadia. Perhaps, like Idunn... he goes through a similar trial.
Bartre, Marcus, and Karel would instantly recognise him as a Morph, but are surprised because Nergal is long dead.
@@Terestraszngl this actually goes hard as hell
6:12 peri from fates also has heterochromia but you can’t really tell because she is almost always depicted with one her eyes covered.there’s also alear from engage.
Also Toothpaste Chan from Engage
that is alear
Alear is also the only heterochromic to not have the pink/green coloration. Peri, Ranulf, And Idunn all do.
"The thing about humans is there's about a fuckzillion of them"
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Minor correction, only Fae's Dragon Stone and Roy's Binding Blade deal any bonus damage to her. The rest of the dragon slaying weapons won’t be effective since she's classified as a demon dragon and not as a regular dragon.
It's a somewhat well-known fact that Idunn can be (IIRC) one-rounded by a completely unlevelled Roy.
Given the fact that there is a removed Super-Darkstone in the game files, and that Roy is required to be the one to beat her if you want to get the best ending, I think that being able to do that is completely intentional on the part of the game designers.
Roy needs 20 speed to double Idunn, otherwise the 0% growths clear would be a lot more straightforward.
Roys willpower is so great it made him look badass when he fought Zephiel in the manga.
I still stand by the fact that Roy is a badass, albeit an unassuming one. Bro's intelligent enough to lead an army, brave enough to face Eldritch monsters like Idunn, strong enough to decimate said monster, and compassionate enough to spare the same said monster, all at age _fifteen_ mind you.
I think FE6's wacky game design plus his canonical young age is why he comes off as so weak in gameplay. But in lore, even though he's not a gigachad Lord like Ike or Chrom, he's no pushover, and he's got the most bravery and determination out of any FE protagonist bar none.
@@brendansage6876 oh hes awesome, hes a very slept on lord
The new protagonist shares a number of traits with Idunn. Divine Dragon, two different eyes, and placed in rest until a new war begins.
Can't wait for the rings to be the equivalent to war dragons.
So normally, I wouldn’t defend FEH, but I’d say the damaged art is at least tasteful in this case. Maybe I’m desensitized because I’ve seen worse in that game (and other gachas).
Summer corrin literally loses her pants. Well actually you can see it's just the skirt but it looks like it
@@domicraft6341 her whole swimsuit falls apart.
Imma be real with you, I think any alt/damaged portrait that rips any clothes off is tasteless, regardless of how it is in comparison. I have a deep hatred for how gacaha games degrade characters, so I REALLY hate Idunn's damaged art, especially given how cool and conservative her normal art is.
@@femspaint2911 I wouldn't say *All* cloth removal is bad, as long as it's small and looks like actually damage from weapons, it's good, like Brave Eliwood or Jill for example, they have damage that definitely looks done by weapons, but also lose some parts of their clothing without it looking vulnerable or degrading.
And then you have stuff like Lethe and Halloween Grima, which are just...No...
@@femspaint2911 I agree in certain contexts.
Idunn ia my favorite dragon girl in Fire Emblem bc of her design, tragic backstory, theme music and her ending with Fae.
i love to imagine that Idunn was also an especially weak Divine Dragon before becoming the Demon Dragon. Fae, a baby, absolutely destroys her, and she was the one who ended up getting captured by the other dragons. the thing that makes her strong is the ability to create war dragons, nothing else.
FE6
Or a 15 year old bodies a continental superpower by being passionate.
Young Lion indeed.
Tangentially related to the video, I don't think Hartmut actually pitied Idunn. We know that the Sword of Seals changes based on the person wielding it. In addition, we know Al is at least canon to some extent considering his sword makes an appearance in Chapter 13. As the events of the novel must be canon to some extent, Hartmut must seal away Al, his own son. When talking to Melitha, Hartmut seems incredibly upset about having to seal away his family as well, but he still doesn't kill them outright. I might be overthinking it, but it seems like (to me at least) Hartmut doesn't want to kill. Rather he kills only because the dragons he fought were also fighting to kill, hence why he chooses to seal his wife, child, and Idunn.
Fun Fact: The game files have a Dragon Stone for Idunn that would have given her, like, a gajillion stats. And Roy Still dumpsters her it just takes two rounds instead of one. it probably got scrapped because it would make her fucking unkillable if you don't have Binding Blade or Fae (Idunn doesn't take Eff Damage from the S-rank weps).
They should have atleast let Idunn hit 2 range and not ORKO'd by a not-much-investment roy, she shouldn't be THAT pathetic. Though I wouldn't be suprised if they locked her to 1-range because they, for whatever reason, couldn't program it correctly alongside the fact that she has 3 attack animations
0:39 to be fair, the Fire Dragon being easy is less of an issue with the boss's difficulty and more just Luna being broken. and Fe8 as a whole is one of the easiest FE games
Idunn is my favorite FE villain, her backstory is so dark and tragic I love her
The real final boss of FE6 is Gel and everyone knows it.
"Especially after all the bullshit that FE6 put you through"
Haha Berserk Staff on Rutger go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
Love those video essays, I am big fire emblem fan. Keep those coming please!
Funny to hear the comparison to Gwyn, that's also how I described my thoughts about this boss to someone. I always really appreciated Idunn's character, the position of 'non combatant, super tragic character forced to fight against her will' unexpectedly makes the final boss fight kinda sad. Killing her is easy because, even as it's presented in the story, killing her is the easy path. It's sparing her that's the "real challenge".
Side note, Ascended Idunn (or Happy Idunn as I always remember her) is one of my favorite additions to the gacha game. One of the few things Heroes has been good for is squeezing extra writing potential out of good characters like Idunn. ...Plus it's just nice to see our girl doing better.
You should do this with the other games too. Especially, y'know, the priest dude from Thracia...
He's pathetic because he's just a servant of Manfroy
6:18 senator armstrong?!?!
People don't understand that the REAL final fight of FE6 is chapter 21, where you fight and defeat the entire Bern army in one of the biggest fight of the entire serie, 18 characters against billions of wyverns.
Killing Zephiel is a first closure to the story, but isn't really a hard chapter.
All the chapters after it, the true ending, are easy, because it's basically a victory lap and a reward (for finding and keeping ALL legendary weapons) rather than a brutal final showdown.
'bit late to the party, but there are a couple reasons why I think this doesn't fly :
First, there's Jahn. Jahn is one of the strongest Fire Dragons there is, and she's significantly stronger than him. He also goes down even easier than her.
Second, for anyone who isn't Roy, or Fa (a divine dragon), or something specific like a capped Berserker critting with Armads... Iduun really isn't that weak. She's still not incredibly difficult or anything, but even the strongest characters in the game with the strongest legendary weapons usually need three rounds of combat to kill her, and while it's true she cannot counter at range, most weapons that can significantly hurt her are melee weapons. She's also quite strong and can 2HKO a lot of people.
I think what her fight and the dragon temple before it are actually meant to convey, is that the legendary weapons, and the Binding blade in particular... are truly busted.
... at least before the former were shown struggling to kill an injured fire dragon infant, but hey, the Binding blade itself isn't in FE7(and the Durandal does instantly destroy an adult Ice dragon in that same game, we'll call it type effectiveness I guess).
Her Resplendent alt helps out a lot in capping off her story as she's seemingly gaining something of a soul back thanks to namely Fae but also everyone else in the Feh....verse....thing
Yeah I think it is kinda symbolic. No excuse for Jahn, though. All he needed was 1-2 range and he could’ve been a great penultimate boss before finally finishing off Idunn.
Honestly I think the Is interesting part about binding blade Is that Characters base stats and Growths Make sense to them. Cecilia sucks because she is still recovering from the beating she got from Zephiel and her Imprisonment during it. Sophia never faced threats like the Bern army before so is inexperienced. Percival and Derrick are badasses BECAUSE they experienced warriors already. Gonzales is inaccurate because he's more use to using his strength to solve things. Roy weakness symbolizes his growth as once he promotes and gets the Binding Blade he becomes Mighty.
That doesn't mean much of that WAS a good idea (Roy ahould have promoted AFTER freeing his nation or better tet AFTER defeating Narcian! At that point it symbolized him becoming the leader of the Alliance against Bern) and a plus I gave future Emblems after Binding Blade was they started to lower the Character roster. As this meant less POINTLESS characters. Even "so-called" ones in post Awakening FE can still be viable to use. And Tier lists are ever changing. Seeing once BELOVED overhyped characters get lowered while "their forever bad" getting a jump up a rank or two. The older Emblems did make it hard to NOT change out chatacters as they came because of ease in making new ones viable. So happy to be able to use more characters then force a challange run on myself.
Is it just me or did the sound get cut out for some reason because I cant hear anything
I feel like the Idunn fight was about ending her misery more than fighting her.
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If I'm correct, either Peri or Niles is another character with heterochromia, though you can't normally see it since one of their eyes are covered. Saw screenshots a while ago of their models used for the Private Quarters stuff being altered to reveal their right eyes and for one of them, I think Peri, their right eye was green despite their left eye not being green. I'm not sure why Peri was given heterochromia considering you can never see her right eye through normal means; I don't think it's even visible in any Heroes art, but it's still interesting to see and know about.
Kinda hard for Niles to have heterochromia on account of him only having one eye.
@@hoshueyeplopper4465 That's a fair point. Somehow that detail went completely over my head.
I'm fine with Idunn being easy, as Zepheil is the overarching main antagonist of the game, and he's the one that gets a cool final fight.
1:09 Project Ember Bors is truly majestic ngl.
I love Roy so much he’s such an interesting character.
How would you compare this with Veld from Thracia 776? I felt like he was a bit underwhelming compared to others, and that is before learning he can put to Berserk or Sleep via glitchs.
I disagree, while Veld is easy, yes, the final chapter: sworn upon the sword is one of the harder endgames, as the final six dreadlords (I know they're deadlords, I prefer dreadlords however) are the hardest enemies in the game and are capable of killing nearly everything if you do not plan out the chapter, if you do not utilize all tools available then there is every chance you lose God forbid you don't have warp or door keys or a bloody thief.
Veld also has five additional shamans aiding him, if you don't know they're there that is all the time required for Veld to live and stone your army to hell and back.
@@quietuptown78 Dreadlors, they're no match for the MIGHTY MARTY!!!!!
@@hoshueyeplopper4465 has anyone actually trained Marty to fight them, I mean he must have like 1 hit without supports and always gets doubled
Played this game recently and got scammed out of just one gaiden chapter and never got to fight idunn. Never played since, not dealing with Roy again. It's nice to see some love tho
The most unbelievable thing on this channel was the disclaimer that Roy lived. That’s a tall order for Roy.
I feel like underrating Idunn due to Roy being a statistically bad lord is both kinda funny and really dumb. I legitimately wonder where all these jokes and stuff will go if an FE6 remake comes out that buffs Roy to be good.
Make Roy promote earlier, add 1 to all of his base stats other than res, and he's a good unit
Roy is just Marth in an alternate universe, it doesn't help that the binding blade is the strongest weapon (maybe behind Omega yato) in the series
Their backgrounds are completely different.
Kinda feel bad for making durandal be an effective wpn aswell against idun
I love Idunns boss battle
the third caracter with heterochromia is péri in fate
I watched this and skimmed through the comments but didn't see this mentioned. Idunn's being so weak in the game wasn't done intentionally and was actually a last minute change. If you datamine the game you can see leftover code, originally she was supposed to have a very powerful weapon which would also buff up stats A LOT, to the point where the dragon effective weapons would do maybe single digit damage and only the binding blade could do reasonable damage. Nobody's 100% sure why she made her so weak before release, it's thought that the developers were scared that players would run out of Binding Blade uses and just made her weak to be safe. It's odd because Binding Blade is pretty rough around the edges in all other aspects, it's likely harder than FE7 HHM and 8 yet has such an easy final boss. EDIT for grammar.
The third one is Echidna.
Heyyy, I love Veld
The third heterochromia characters is Peri (unless that's the joke)
yeah.
Yall wanna know the actual reason i got from a random youtube comment section that im too lazy to verify? If you notice, in the fight, even legendary weapons barely scratch idunn. At the very least, not at the same rate as the binding blade. This is because devs reeeaaaally wanted you to get the true TRUE ending by having roy kill her. Thing is, in the games code,you can find an unused dragon stone, the same as idunns, but one that grants her a shit ton of stats. An actually tough boss fight. With those stats, it is nigh-impossible to beat her without the binding blade, ensuring the true ending. However, devs got scared abt what would happen if the binding blade broke somewhere in the chapter or slightly before. Since that would basically be a softlock, they opted against the extra shit ton of stats and left the underwhelming one we have now. Cool vid though and probably the actual reason instead of something i read once.
6:12 i know whos the 3rd, Galagar from TLP!
And Echidna, also from Binding Blade
Demon king is way worst… bishop, wyvern knights with pierce, triangle attack, him wasting a turn summon monsters, berserker staff on darcozombies, luna, legendary weapons, and yea lol
So in other words because of the story and plot, you’re pretty doomed to cake walk the boss. Sweet.
2:07 the only Dragonslayers that work on Idunn are the Binding Blade and Fae's Divine Stone.
she is still piss easy, but Armads and Durandal wont deal effective damage against her.
I understand why she's like this, I just feel like the presentation isn't satisfying and I don't feel that it was delivered well + I thought the dragon sprite was kinda meh. Her theme is beautiful tho
Roy is better than marth in fe11.
Interesting way of pronouncing Idunn...
He also mispronounced Medeus' name.
@@LittleAl016 Interesting. I don't know what culture that name is from so I wasn't aware.
@@kay_faraday Idunn's name, pronounced eee-doon, is from Norse culture, where it's the name of the Goddess of Youth, who is responsible for keeping the gods young and strong by feeding them her golden apples. No clue where Medeus' name, pronounced meh-dee-yus, comes from.
EDIT: Medeus' name is apparently from Greek culture.
@@LittleAl016 I'm well aware of where Idunn's name is from, as well as the fact that the pronunciation you gave there is inaccurate, since it's my actual name and it's not pronounced like that :p
@@kay_faraday Huh. So does FEH get it wrong, then? Because that's how I heard it.
0:42 I'd say Lyn is way worse.
No, I think it's just a shit fight
Think what you want.
@@NightOfTheRavens I will
@@HanakkoLove It is your right after all.
Is it possible that Idunn is Nergal's wife?
HELL no. Nergal's wife, Aenir, was an Ice Dragon from Ilia. She died during the scouring, and that's what caused Nergal to start studying dark magic and become evil.
@@implord4197 I forgot that that Nergal's wife is named... oops
@@implord4197 Nergal was already likely studying Dark Magic beforehand, I.E. WHEN he was living with Aenir. But his studies then were kinda more like Canas' and Niime's, for comparison. It was only after he met Athos and was led to Arcadia, which was in itself sometime after Aenir died, that he was driven to researching particularly forbidden Dark Arts.
@@LittleAl016 Cool.