One thing I don't think most people know is how wolverine's mutation works. He has animal like senses. With animal like tendencies. He's always agitated and in high alert. Making it hard for him to fall asleep. When he does sleep. He's plagued by nightmares. After more than a hundred years of living. We would all be more than grumpy.
And at some points in the comics, his mutation advances further to increase those feral tendencies and, along with his trauma, even contributing to his memory problems. While other mutants attempt to promote themselves as “gifted”, Logan’s experience as one demonstrates that some mutants can only be described as “cursed”, doomed to suffer not just because of the persecution of others, but the damage their own conditions inflicts on them. Logan’s heroism despite his struggles and severe character defects due to how cruel he can be is one of the reasons why he is seen in some circles as “THE X-Man”, the mutant that arguably suffers the most yet manages to do the amount of good that he does or have any shred of benevolence or virtue when faced with existence that would sooner kill or degrade him into a monster or a weapon.
@@callmev3531 very well put. That's why I think Sabertooth/Victor Creed is such a good foil for Logan. Despite his mutations, Logan will try to do the right thing. While sabertooth having essentially the same tendencies due to his mutations. Embraces the blood thirsty side. You have two men who have suffered through hardships. One tries to do the right thing. The other simply choices to kill.
@@nicholasmandigo1390, And not only does Victor just choose to completely let his savage nature corrupt him, he chose it in his childhood due to his abusive home life, all while Logan had a stable, loving family life, that was taken away from him (a common trend throughout his life and various iterations). Part of Victor's choice is because he had little options besides becoming someone cruel to endure his unrelenting hardships, leaving his life completely devoid of warmth at a very early age, while Logan, even when he doesn't fully remember his life, retains the capacity to love, to understand loss and to recognize that same pain in others. By comparison, Victor is a jealous, hateful individual unable to see beyond his own ego, growing into a highly maladjusted adult, even more maladjusted than Logan, since he never had an ounce of normality from the start. But its that distinction that the most interesting aspect of their dynamic lies, how different Logan would be if he didn't initially grow up knowing what it was to have a family and friends, people who he cared for and who cared for him, how without the capacity for love, compassion, honor and guilt, he could be something far closer to Victor.
@@nicholasmandigo1390 And beyond that, Logan initially growing up with friends, family and a stable life that was taken away from him (a reoccurring trend throughout his life), while Victor was abused so severely, never knowing love or compassion as a child, also serves as both a major difference in their origins, but also shows that the differences between the two are fewer than they seem, that in the right circumstances, Logan would have no compassion, honor or guilt to hold back his savagery and keep him from simply indulging it the same way Victor does.
"Animal like senses and animal like tendencies" ... FYI you have just stated one of the foundational tenets of Utilitarianism, a school of philosophy -- we're not all that different from animals. Of course we can propound on this endlessly but I just want to point out that you have made a good start into the subject matter.
Logan's masculinity isn't in the violence, but when he drops the act to remind people that he has a heart and just wants to help people to not hurt like he does.
In the show Ultimate Spider-Man, Logan says to Peter at the end of the episode “You got a good thing going kid. Friends, a life. Don’t take it for granted. You’ll look back on this and realise, how good you really have it”.
This is why wolverine is one of my favorite heroes, not because of his masculinity or the fact that he has claws and he could slice and dice, but i can relate to him when it comes to loneliness
I say the penultimate sadness for me was the death at the end of the "Dead Man Logan" mini-series when the Old Man Version of him had been fatally wounded and burned out his healing factor. He's missing an eye, and lost 3 of his metal claws. He requests to be taken to the graves of his last wife and their 2 children (previously murdered by the Hulk Gang). And while kneeling there he addresses their grave markers: "You know, I thought about this a long time. Thought that maybe when I left here, I could move on. But... every time I closed my eyes, all I saw was the three of you. I wasn't sure I was ever going to be able to make it back here. Almost gave up on the idea. But any time I thought that way, any time I was ready to give up, I thought about this farm. No matter how tough life got here for us. No matter how little we had. Least we had each other. I'd... I'd never been happier in my life. I love you so much. I'm sorry I didn't fight for you sooner. I'm sorry I wasn't there when you needed me most. I'm sorry I let you down. I just hope... that when I see you... you can forgive me... please..." and the image fades to white only to cut to another panel where a 4th marker is alongside them. It really hits home that the character lived nearly 250+ years and despite growing jaded and even being a dick. He just was a kind soul at heart that life had twisted up. And seeking redemption.
This reminds me of a scene from one of my favorite Marvel movies, X-Men: Days of Future Past. TLDR, Logan is talking to the disillusioned younger version of Charles Xavier and is trying to convince him to help stop the Sentinels from being created. At first Charles is very against it until Logan gets him to enter his mind and by extension talk to his older self in the future to get a pep-talk. But that's not what makes this scene one of my favorites. That comes when Charles is looking through Logan's memories and sees all the horrific things he's gone through in his life. The death of his father - both of them -, the countless wars he's fought from the Civil War to Vietnam, all his dead lovers, Weapon X, Sabertooth, _Jean_ , all of it. And Charles - currently a broken, drug-addicted shell of his former self in the worst period of his life - sees all of it, from Logan's own mind. And all he's says in response to this slideshow of horror is: "You poor, _poor_ man..." I dunno, something about it just gets to me. Doesn't help that Jackman and McAvoy fucken killed it as both those characters.
But beyond that, Logan tells him to look past him, as in look past the pain he’s endured, and look for Future Charles waiting on the other side, the “hope” that Past Charles needs to start his own path towards healing. Behind Logan’s surliness, rage, pride and pain is a genuinely person capable of great good that occasionally gets the opportunity to be more than just the brutal savage his life and his specific mutant attributes condition him to be.
Excellent analysis! Wolverine’s empathy coming out of loneliness, choosing to do good regardless of trauma, yeah I like those aspects of Wolverine’s masculinity. If possible, I’d like to see your analysis on Rocky from the Rocky films or Ryu from Street Fighter. Keep it up!
For me as a kid the Wolvie Spidey crossover High Tide always showed me the perfect example of Wolvies masculinity and morales. also anything before the 2000s.
2:04, At Logan’s core, beyond the mutation that would see him reduced to a savage, brutal beast, his life which would have seen him become a cruel, hateful individual like Victor and the experiments he was subjected to which would have reduced him to just a mere weapon, Logan often is depicted as being distinguished from these circumstances by his lingering sense of morality, his conscience. It’s too simplistic to say that Logan has “humanity”, as humanity equates to both the virtues and flaws of humans, not just their capacity for benevolence, but some versions of Logan may be depicted as more brutal and cruel than others, they usually still share a persistent sense of morality, of guilt and shame towards the wrong he’s done, empathy and compassion towards people who’ve suffered greatly (even if he may not always show it) and an inability to simply stand by an allow people to get hurt when he can prevent. He is a deeply flawed man who doesn’t always do good, who sometimes succumbs to the brutality and despair he feels, but many versions of him eventually find the courage and will to go on, to hope for something better, which usually leads him to the X-Men and the family he makes there.
The legacy I want to leave behind is the will to help others and protect, to let people know if we let our hidden gifts of wisdom out we can create a better world. I don't care for recognition I care if what I do help people to make sure that what I am doing impacts someone's life. If what I say and do impacts others life in a good way I'm always happy to sacrifice a life and am proud of it but also to have the will to not give up on it and to keep going.
Like guts, wolverine shows we can experience tragedy yet continue to move forward as kind and empathetic in spite of those challenges and even if we do stumble and fall into rage and anger, we can rise above it and be better
They both hate each other because they se what they could be, Logan with his nobility and humanity despite everything that has been done to him and Victor with his Savagery and sadism because of it.
I love this video, bro. I just subscribed with both channels. Wolverine is such a great relatable character. We have his flaws and his good qualities. But deep as long as we see every opportunity to be better and take it head on. We'll inspire and teach and learn from others.
I loved it when Rogue and Lara brought out his compassionate side. Beneath his gruff exterior is a good man who genuinely wants the best for his friends and the people he loves.
Its pretty interesting that his more complex/negative relationships are with his male sons but gets along well with his daughter and daughter figure characters
Wolverine moving through life still with respect and dignity is Masculine. Sure there’s much more other feats and experience and things he done did that puts him as a great Masculine role model. I’ve looked up to and admired this character since I was 6.
Wolverine was meant to have a masculine demeanor. His power is claws and healing and animal like senses. He’s going to be naturally feral, and comic accurate wolverine is more animalistic, being very short and very hairy and predator like teeth. But his mental state is always being challenged and that’s what makes him a great character
In the show Ultimate Spider-Man, Logan says to Peter at the end of the episode “You got a good thing going kid. Friends, a life. Don’t take it for granted. You’ll look back on this and realise, how good you really have it”. Then flies off on a stolen SHIELD jet.
The movie logan, turns the Hero and all its universe into a fruitless, suicidal quest. Everything boils down to save a stupid girl who will never be up to fill logan's shoes
Sad that as I got older, I was shamed for being a Wolverine fan because he apparently represents masculine energy. Like you cant support LGBTQ if you like Wolverine. I hate that Wolvie fans are labeled as basic or typical cis-straight male.
The idea that someone can't support or empathize with a certain group of people because they like a specific fictional character is so fucking stupid, I genuinely can't describe how much I hate it with human language.
Being emotional also masculine trait, when you consider anger as an emotion. He is maybe not 6 foot, but hell of a strong guy. Being man goes hand to hand with being a father, so no - desire for family is not feminine. And since when loyalty is a feminine trait?
@@Matyunkin i said stereotypical. The stereotype or toxic masculinity is men are supposed to be nearly emotionless stoic, tall, promiscuous, leaders who are loyal to themselves and their ambition with everyone else expected to be loyal to them not the reverse. A king is loyal only to their ambition and view for their kingdom not loyal to each individual subject of that kingdom or that's considered stereotypically weakness and indecisiveness as as a follower not a manly leader. Its a toxic and stereotypical masculine trait that is not realistic for 99% of men who want a loving group of friends and family
@@Thed538dhsk it feels like those stereotypes lives only in the heads of Andrew Tate fans and feminists who hates men. Majority of normal people, even if has stereotypes about men, have them more neutral and/or nuanced.
@@Matyunkin then are they stereotypes? Andrew Tate actually said it's gay for men to enjoy sex with their wives/gfs. He 100% could push these harmful stereotypes to young impressionable men about being stoic and not being loyal like wolverine who shows a more complex, nuanced, and realistic form of masculinity to young men
Also this is why Wolverine is a great figure of masculinity because he’s does hit most of the key notes I don’t think height matters here imo. But the layers his masculinity shows is a great highlight for the spectrum of what masculinity is.
He's basically me (we have no similarity other than being short)
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Wolverine's mental endurance is just as impressive as his superhuman endurance.
I'm not sure if you know this, but his healing factor also heals trauma. Unfortunately, it mainly does that by making him forget the trauma.
One thing I don't think most people know is how wolverine's mutation works. He has animal like senses. With animal like tendencies. He's always agitated and in high alert. Making it hard for him to fall asleep. When he does sleep. He's plagued by nightmares. After more than a hundred years of living. We would all be more than grumpy.
And at some points in the comics, his mutation advances further to increase those feral tendencies and, along with his trauma, even contributing to his memory problems.
While other mutants attempt to promote themselves as “gifted”, Logan’s experience as one demonstrates that some mutants can only be described as “cursed”, doomed to suffer not just because of the persecution of others, but the damage their own conditions inflicts on them.
Logan’s heroism despite his struggles and severe character defects due to how cruel he can be is one of the reasons why he is seen in some circles as “THE X-Man”, the mutant that arguably suffers the most yet manages to do the amount of good that he does or have any shred of benevolence or virtue when faced with existence that would sooner kill or degrade him into a monster or a weapon.
@@callmev3531 very well put. That's why I think Sabertooth/Victor Creed is such a good foil for Logan. Despite his mutations, Logan will try to do the right thing. While sabertooth having essentially the same tendencies due to his mutations. Embraces the blood thirsty side. You have two men who have suffered through hardships. One tries to do the right thing. The other simply choices to kill.
@@nicholasmandigo1390, And not only does Victor just choose to completely let his savage nature corrupt him, he chose it in his childhood due to his abusive home life, all while Logan had a stable, loving family life, that was taken away from him (a common trend throughout his life and various iterations).
Part of Victor's choice is because he had little options besides becoming someone cruel to endure his unrelenting hardships, leaving his life completely devoid of warmth at a very early age, while Logan, even when he doesn't fully remember his life, retains the capacity to love, to understand loss and to recognize that same pain in others.
By comparison, Victor is a jealous, hateful individual unable to see beyond his own ego, growing into a highly maladjusted adult, even more maladjusted than Logan, since he never had an ounce of normality from the start.
But its that distinction that the most interesting aspect of their dynamic lies, how different Logan would be if he didn't initially grow up knowing what it was to have a family and friends, people who he cared for and who cared for him, how without the capacity for love, compassion, honor and guilt, he could be something far closer to Victor.
@@nicholasmandigo1390 And beyond that, Logan initially growing up with friends, family and a stable life that was taken away from him (a reoccurring trend throughout his life), while Victor was abused so severely, never knowing love or compassion as a child, also serves as both a major difference in their origins, but also shows that the differences between the two are fewer than they seem, that in the right circumstances, Logan would have no compassion, honor or guilt to hold back his savagery and keep him from simply indulging it the same way Victor does.
"Animal like senses and animal like tendencies" ... FYI you have just stated one of the foundational tenets of Utilitarianism, a school of philosophy -- we're not all that different from animals. Of course we can propound on this endlessly but I just want to point out that you have made a good start into the subject matter.
Wolverine's fearlessness towards his enemies and his instinct to protect seems like masculine traits to me 🗿
Wolverine(5’3”) vs Hulk(7 to 8ft) fearless indeed
Logan's masculinity isn't in the violence, but when he drops the act to remind people that he has a heart and just wants to help people to not hurt like he does.
True. Wolverine isn't a grumpy short-tempered brawler, but a complex character with a long history of trauma and its overcoming.
Logan is a very relatable character. Invulnerable on the outside, but extremely vulnerable on the inside.
In the show Ultimate Spider-Man, Logan says to Peter at the end of the episode “You got a good thing going kid. Friends, a life. Don’t take it for granted. You’ll look back on this and realise, how good you really have it”.
This is why wolverine is one of my favorite heroes, not because of his masculinity or the fact that he has claws and he could slice and dice, but i can relate to him when it comes to loneliness
I say the penultimate sadness for me was the death at the end of the "Dead Man Logan" mini-series when the Old Man Version of him had been fatally wounded and burned out his healing factor. He's missing an eye, and lost 3 of his metal claws. He requests to be taken to the graves of his last wife and their 2 children (previously murdered by the Hulk Gang). And while kneeling there he addresses their grave markers:
"You know, I thought about this a long time. Thought that maybe when I left here, I could move on. But... every time I closed my eyes, all I saw was the three of you. I wasn't sure I was ever going to be able to make it back here. Almost gave up on the idea. But any time I thought that way, any time I was ready to give up, I thought about this farm. No matter how tough life got here for us. No matter how little we had. Least we had each other. I'd... I'd never been happier in my life. I love you so much. I'm sorry I didn't fight for you sooner. I'm sorry I wasn't there when you needed me most. I'm sorry I let you down. I just hope... that when I see you... you can forgive me... please..."
and the image fades to white only to cut to another panel where a 4th marker is alongside them. It really hits home that the character lived nearly 250+ years and despite growing jaded and even being a dick. He just was a kind soul at heart that life had twisted up. And seeking redemption.
This reminds me of a scene from one of my favorite Marvel movies, X-Men: Days of Future Past.
TLDR, Logan is talking to the disillusioned younger version of Charles Xavier and is trying to convince him to help stop the Sentinels from being created. At first Charles is very against it until Logan gets him to enter his mind and by extension talk to his older self in the future to get a pep-talk.
But that's not what makes this scene one of my favorites. That comes when Charles is looking through Logan's memories and sees all the horrific things he's gone through in his life. The death of his father - both of them -, the countless wars he's fought from the Civil War to Vietnam, all his dead lovers, Weapon X, Sabertooth, _Jean_ , all of it.
And Charles - currently a broken, drug-addicted shell of his former self in the worst period of his life - sees all of it, from Logan's own mind. And all he's says in response to this slideshow of horror is: "You poor, _poor_ man..."
I dunno, something about it just gets to me. Doesn't help that Jackman and McAvoy fucken killed it as both those characters.
But beyond that, Logan tells him to look past him, as in look past the pain he’s endured, and look for Future Charles waiting on the other side, the “hope” that Past Charles needs to start his own path towards healing.
Behind Logan’s surliness, rage, pride and pain is a genuinely person capable of great good that occasionally gets the opportunity to be more than just the brutal savage his life and his specific mutant attributes condition him to be.
@@callmev3531 God I fucking love that movie. Shame that Apocalypse was mid as hell.
Excellent analysis! Wolverine’s empathy coming out of loneliness, choosing to do good regardless of trauma, yeah I like those aspects of Wolverine’s masculinity. If possible, I’d like to see your analysis on Rocky from the Rocky films or Ryu from Street Fighter. Keep it up!
For me as a kid the Wolvie Spidey crossover High Tide always showed me the perfect example of Wolvies masculinity and morales. also anything before the 2000s.
Morals. Morales is the spiderman.
2:04, At Logan’s core, beyond the mutation that would see him reduced to a savage, brutal beast, his life which would have seen him become a cruel, hateful individual like Victor and the experiments he was subjected to which would have reduced him to just a mere weapon, Logan often is depicted as being distinguished from these circumstances by his lingering sense of morality, his conscience.
It’s too simplistic to say that Logan has “humanity”, as humanity equates to both the virtues and flaws of humans, not just their capacity for benevolence, but some versions of Logan may be depicted as more brutal and cruel than others, they usually still share a persistent sense of morality, of guilt and shame towards the wrong he’s done, empathy and compassion towards people who’ve suffered greatly (even if he may not always show it) and an inability to simply stand by an allow people to get hurt when he can prevent.
He is a deeply flawed man who doesn’t always do good, who sometimes succumbs to the brutality and despair he feels, but many versions of him eventually find the courage and will to go on, to hope for something better, which usually leads him to the X-Men and the family he makes there.
The legacy I want to leave behind is the will to help others and protect, to let people know if we let our hidden gifts of wisdom out we can create a better world. I don't care for recognition I care if what I do help people to make sure that what I am doing impacts someone's life. If what I say and do impacts others life in a good way I'm always happy to sacrifice a life and am proud of it but also to have the will to not give up on it and to keep going.
Logan has always been one of those movies that really should resonate with every man's soul
Bro I can't wait to watch Deadpool & Wolverine 🙌
Like guts, wolverine shows we can experience tragedy yet continue to move forward as kind and empathetic in spite of those challenges and even if we do stumble and fall into rage and anger, we can rise above it and be better
Dude I love your videos. Actually healthy man stuff. Serenity, wisdom, and grace. These things make a man.
Sabertooth is the otherside of the coin he seeks vengeance cause life ain’t fair and the world is mean but Wolverine is just seeking peace
They both hate each other because they se what they could be, Logan with his nobility and humanity despite everything that has been done to him and Victor with his Savagery and sadism because of it.
I need a Nightcrawler and Masculinity vid, this was a good analysis
Well said and analysed. I look forward to your Khabib video I’ve just seen/saved for future viewing. Thanks
Sabretooth visiting on his birthday makes making new friends hard as well.
I love this video, bro. I just subscribed with both channels. Wolverine is such a great relatable character. We have his flaws and his good qualities. But deep as long as we see every opportunity to be better and take it head on. We'll inspire and teach and learn from others.
I loved it when Rogue and Lara brought out his compassionate side. Beneath his gruff exterior is a good man who genuinely wants the best for his friends and the people he loves.
I’d rather not start a relationship at all than act a fool trying to save it when it fades away I’ll do what I can to help the ones I love
Def gotta do one about spider man! This video and the Boy Scout videos were fantastic!
Wolverine used to be literally me....then i realized hes 5'3
Please do one on the Jordani/ Johnathan Wick and Masculinity.
Damn, I love your videos covering masculinity.
Wolverine is wise because he's made all the mistakes. He's learned the hard way. But he's humble enough to have *actually learned*
Its pretty interesting that his more complex/negative relationships are with his male sons but gets along well with his daughter and daughter figure characters
"Also known as X-23," also known as Wolverine ;-)
Wolverine is the Guts (Berserk) of Marvel.
Wolverine moving through life still with respect and dignity is Masculine. Sure there’s much more other feats and experience and things he done did that puts him as a great Masculine role model. I’ve looked up to and admired this character since I was 6.
Possibly have a Frank Castle/ Punisher masculinity.
I can't wait
0:33 this only happened in the movies tho
Excellent video 10/10 can you do one on nightcrawler
make a video about Kenshiro from the Fist of the North Star series
Wolverine is the definition of masculinity.
PWBPD this is me without the immortality.
Amazing video,I'm willing to watch you grow.
But you NEED to make one of these for Guts,Thorfinn and Musashi
This was some good mental health video.
@imranbulks good work.
Do Red Harlow's Masculinity.
Red Dead Revolver (2004)
Wolverine was meant to have a masculine demeanor. His power is claws and healing and animal like senses. He’s going to be naturally feral, and comic accurate wolverine is more animalistic, being very short and very hairy and predator like teeth. But his mental state is always being challenged and that’s what makes him a great character
Could you do one on Tony Stark / Iron Man masculinity.
Thank you for this video
There is a trend lately to bring up how bad Peter Parker's life is, but honestly... I think Logan would trade lives with Spider-Man any day.
In the show Ultimate Spider-Man, Logan says to Peter at the end of the episode “You got a good thing going kid. Friends, a life. Don’t take it for granted. You’ll look back on this and realise, how good you really have it”.
Then flies off on a stolen SHIELD jet.
Dude let’s not start this. Struggle and trauma are not a competition. Just don’t.
You think you could do one on Riddick masculinity
Your next video should be on the masculinity of Lotr specifically Boromir.
You think you could do one on Kenshiro from Fist of the north star/Hokuto No Ken.
The movie logan, turns the Hero and all its universe into a fruitless, suicidal quest. Everything boils down to save a stupid girl who will never be up to fill logan's shoes
Sounds like you didnt pay attention to the meanings in the movie. Im sorry its so hard for you in dealing with being retarded.
You think the movie portrayed his masculinity better? Read the comic Origins. Much much better than the movie
Weapon X great comic book
@@BrandonHaymon it’s good but I’m referring to the comic book Origin. The one the movie is loosely based on its way better than Weapon X.
Do a video on guts berserk
Time in a bottle.
Does he kill children not like that one child but multiple of them
Yes.
What about spiderman
Sad that as I got older, I was shamed for being a Wolverine fan because he apparently represents masculine energy. Like you cant support LGBTQ if you like Wolverine. I hate that Wolvie fans are labeled as basic or typical cis-straight male.
There's a gay version of Wolverine who's way more stronger than the original 616 version.
People shamed you for liking 1 of the most beloved characters ever. Thats wild
The idea that someone can't support or empathize with a certain group of people because they like a specific fictional character is so fucking stupid, I genuinely can't describe how much I hate it with human language.
wasn't he bi?
Este comentario me hizo arrepentirme de saber ingles
Isn't wolverine actually stereotypically feminine? Being emotional? Not a 6 foot strong guy. Wants to have a calm family life. Loyal to a fault?
Being emotional also masculine trait, when you consider anger as an emotion. He is maybe not 6 foot, but hell of a strong guy. Being man goes hand to hand with being a father, so no - desire for family is not feminine. And since when loyalty is a feminine trait?
@@Matyunkin i said stereotypical. The stereotype or toxic masculinity is men are supposed to be nearly emotionless stoic, tall, promiscuous, leaders who are loyal to themselves and their ambition with everyone else expected to be loyal to them not the reverse. A king is loyal only to their ambition and view for their kingdom not loyal to each individual subject of that kingdom or that's considered stereotypically weakness and indecisiveness as as a follower not a manly leader. Its a toxic and stereotypical masculine trait that is not realistic for 99% of men who want a loving group of friends and family
@@Thed538dhsk it feels like those stereotypes lives only in the heads of Andrew Tate fans and feminists who hates men. Majority of normal people, even if has stereotypes about men, have them more neutral and/or nuanced.
@@Matyunkin then are they stereotypes? Andrew Tate actually said it's gay for men to enjoy sex with their wives/gfs. He 100% could push these harmful stereotypes to young impressionable men about being stoic and not being loyal like wolverine who shows a more complex, nuanced, and realistic form of masculinity to young men
Also this is why Wolverine is a great figure of masculinity because he’s does hit most of the key notes I don’t think height matters here imo. But the layers his masculinity shows is a great highlight for the spectrum of what masculinity is.
ok but he s hot and thats his cope