Bergmann No.5 / 1897
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The Bergmann #5 was the first pistol in the Bergmann line to have a locked breech action, taken from one of Schmeisser's machine gun patents. This model was introduced in 1897 using a more powerful cartridge than any of the previous Bergmanns, with the intention of finding military contracts. The new 7.8mm cartridge (actually .30 caliber, same as the 7.63mm Mauser) fired an 85gr bullet at 1300fps, which made it the equal of any other pistol cartridge at the time.
In addition to the more potent round, the 1897 design also replaced the Mannlicher-style clips with detachable box magazines holding 10 rounds. The detachable shoulder stock/holster also became a standard accessory, made for every pistol (instead of an option as on the 1896 models).
The No.5 was tested by Switzerland and England (and possibly other nations) but rejected by both. The English were not satisfied with the caliber (they wanted .45) and the Swiss found it too fragile and unreliable. In total only about a thousand were made.
The full stocked carbine is really quite an attractive gun.
Ian I have to ask, do you know if the owner of this magnificent collection has ever fired the beautiful sporterised carbine?
@@gordonormiston3233 Highly unlikely. According to Ian in another thread, the loading data is hard enough to find, let alone actual cartridges.
Quite a blast in vr as well 😁
That sporter carbine is beautiful.
The pocket on the holster was for the spare magazine. Extra big to allow a finger and thumb to pull it out.
Quite an optimistic range markings on the pistol.
Marko Docevski : A common level of optimism on firearms of the era. I suppose you could volley-fire at that range...
Yes that became clear to me after watching FW for a while now :). On long arms I get it, they had predominantly been used in volley fire it's just that they got "more range" over time. Pistols I don't think were ever used in volley situations (not that I'd know if they were in some specific instance).
Marko Docevski : oh, I doubt they were ever actually used that way. Mostly just a 'brag' by the maker.
Yeah, hard to imagine someone sniping at a kilometer away with a pistol.
Another great video, thanks again to the collector who shared their collection.
That carbine is really fricking adorable... I'd love to see a repo that accepted modern cartridges.
Jay Dee in 10mm!
Heck, even in 7.62 Tokarev.
I could not agree more. It would be ridiculously cool in 7.63 mauser or 7.62 tokarev
I agree, love the carbine! Would be cool to own a replica even!
If someone made a reproduction, I’d want an integrally suppressed version. It’s already an SBR so....
I was disappointed that there was no bonus content after the bonus content...
We're spoiled
That full-stocked carbine may be the most beautiful example of a pistol/carbine I've ever seen.
Could you post some pictures of the full-stocked carbine on your website? I only see the pistol-stocked carbine on there.
Those pistol frame carbines are very, very cool looking, I must say. Great series this, Ian.
The relief hole in the barrel could also dabble as a loaded chamber indicator. It's big enough to see the brass.
Finally, the Holy Grail of cool-looking pistols (and videos thereof) has arrived .. the No5 is my absolute all-time favourite - imagine if someone were to make these again but able to accept modern cartridges ... I'd be all over that ;-)
I would love to have one these No.5 and the carbine. These are gorgeous!
If battlefield 1 doesn't have the Bergmann rifle it should.
Wish it did... I'd love for the assault class to have a carbine rather than be stuck with SMGs and shotguns. Right now assault pretty much has the highest burst and DPS weapons, in addition to the best anti-armor capability gadgets.
The pilot/tanker should get it.
your camera work showing the function of the gun is the best I have seen on youtube.
Besides from preventing unintentional dismount of the stock, the screw also provides tension in the link, preventing it to move if the connection is loose
It's a Bergmann bonanza lately
that carbine is a really beautiful gun.
i wonder how much one of those would get at an auction
Depends how desirable a Bergman is but its in a proprietary cartridge so its not good for much more than collecting.
the poch on the stock I can imagine being used to hold oil and rags and maube even some "empty" clips, basic tools for disessemby or things like that.......but probably a cleaning kit with oil and stuff
That is one seriously good looking carbine and not just because of the engraving.
Patrick Wayne carried one of those that his brother brought home with him in the movie Big Jake
anyone else watch forgotten weapons in the morning before school or work?
I hope you aren't white because... shit ain't pretty
I watch it all the time tbh (watched in the morning while waiting for school to start and I’m watching it now at midnight before I start my AP stat HW)
>we have a big hole in the side of the frame
>the first few guns didn't have these
>but then they realized it was important and added it back in
These firearms are rabbit hole interesting! Thanks for the vid.
thanks Ian great video my pick would be the wood sportier what a beautiful piece
I can hardly believe how complex and precision made these guns are.
Bergmann had some cool ideas, it just wasn't all there. It reminds me of the Sega Dreamcast.
Wouldn't mind having a repro of the carbine.
I would NOT shoot one of the originals, too rare.
But a repro would be a decent plinker.
thanks Ian! you rock!!
That carbine is gorgeous.
-Jen
I always loved the style of the Bergmann pistols as well as the "broom handle" Mauser with the forward mounted magazine. I just love the "steam punk" look. That being said, I don't think I would own one to shoot with.
I believe the pocket on the stock was for a cleaning kit
The Bergman family will finally make their catch with the Bergmann-Bayard 1903, and later the 1908, 1910, and 1910/21. I never really understood why the Danish military used the 6 round magazines instead of the 10 round ones.
Nice! I have a Bergmann No.2
I want a pistol carbine in 7.62x25mm.
Ladies and gentlemen... This is Bergmann number 5
Silly question, but any indication why some of the markings are in french, like "pistolet", "breveté" or even "cartouches" on a germanic gun and cartridges? Was there a convention to label them like so? Or maybe I just missed something which in case, my bad ^^'.
way too cool
Can really see that these are well made but why the militaries either go “meh” or call it fragile…. The side spring for the locking mechanism is really open on the side to debris and damage and the barrel jacket lock/ligs just hanging out in the open it really just has easy to damage but important parts just hanging off of it….. when compared to a C96 which has everything better contained.
Do these guns still work Ian? They look like they are in great condition for their age.
so i was wondering if perhaps it was possible to do a "series" on australian firearms, as i am australian and can not yet possess a firearms license, im very interested in our firearms history before the '96 ban. i know it may be very hard to do so but i would be much obliged if it were to happen.
He has a video on the WWII Owen Submachine Gun that's pretty cool, you should check it out if you haven't already.
Obviously you haven't seen the boom-erang hand grenade. Yes, it really exists, produced during WW1 to extend throwable range, it was designed NOT to come back. There is one in the Infantry Museum at Singleton Army base.
Most boomerangs are not designed to come back, the equal armed, returning style was only used by a few groups who lived near large permanent lakes and rivers where they used them to scare waterfowl into flying over dry land and into range of heavy, non returning boomerangs. Boomerang is just an Anglicised word meaning throwing stick. Australian Aboriginals may not have had metal but they had pushed wood, bone and shell to the limit
I guessed correctly earlier that DWM meant Deutsche, Waffen, und Munitionen, now I'm glad to see I was right!
Are any of these from your personal collection or from an outside source?
They are not mine.
I hope that's one person's collection. That some good coverage.
Ian mentioned it was an anonymous collector. May he be thanked on behalf of all of us ! :)
It's a gorgeous collection. I have to wonder, are all the guns reviewed in front of the fireplace the property of the fireplace's owner, or is the fireplace just in a location that Ian gets access to? Because if they're all the same dude's, well, just wow.
Those leather stocks and holsters should get some leather lotion.
The ammunition was made in my town. :)
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, Bergman No. 5
me likey
Ugly gun ? take those words back. haha
真带劲
Ian!! Totally unrelated question but how long did it take to grow your beard and did you add anything to make it healthy? AND!!! do you groom it regulary and how? Anyone please feel free to chime in. :)
Fireplace Collector must have a vault the size of a small house. His collection seems endless and unique.
I love how cheerfully optimistic late-19th/early-20th-century adjustable rear sights are. Nine hundred meters, forsooth. :)
Well technically a 22lr can be lethal for over a mile. So you might be able to get something in that general direction…..
@@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA Incorrect. Even a 9mm loses most of its energy past 500 meters.
It was for volley fire, not sharpshooting.
@@LethalByChoice "Can" is not the same thing as "probably will". There are always edge cases. Sure, you'd have to be catastrophically unlucky to be killed by either cartridge at that distance, but in matters like this, never assume you are not catastrophically unlucky.
@@zdgfagdfgdfssdgfdsfd Volley fire with handguns?
Wow that carbine is gorgeous. I always thought the Luger and C96 carbines were pretty slick, but compared to that Bergman they look about as elegant as a Cobray Streetsweeper.
AussieFanXCIV it is an amazing piece. Had I limitless income I would have one.
You and me both.
I would 100% do reproduction Bergman guns but in a modern caliber like .380 or 9mm for the larger examples. That carbine is dead sexy though with that wood stock.
That *exact* word came into my mind. Simply gorgeous.
That carbine is one of the most attractive guns i have ever seen, would rock the shit outta one.
Pretty unique is also that the magazine seems to be a double feeding magazine, as well as being a double stack, pretty advanced for an era where nearly everything with a detachable magazine was a single stack. Too bad the Bergmann series of pistols are so rare, considering how advanced for the time and beautiful they are.
Whoever owns this collection must really love their Bergmanns to even have a one-off custom pistol presented by the owner of the company himself. Seems like the kind of thing that would stay in the recipient's family for generations.
whats really amazing is that this isnt the only rare/one of a kind firearm ian has presented in front of the fireplace. if they all belong to the same person then he has easily one of the most impressive collections of all time
It still amazes me that those pistols are 120 years old. They look like they were made just a decade ago.
Thank you Gun Jesus. Also can you make a video of you just posing with rifles, pistols, and other arms while wearing your array of hats.
You're in the wrong house, fool I can't agree more. The video of the Pedersen device is one of my favorites.
He has done this a little if you sample the videos over at the full30 channel he and karl run called inrange. www.full30.com/channels/inrange. For instance the WWI hand weapon episode. www.full30.com/video/ace5417ce327d3e4b27cc6c29607995b
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that carbine may be one of the prettiest guns I've seen on this channel,.
That Bergmann sporter is a work of art. The stock alone is fantastic!
I don't know why but I really like when the hand guard runs up all the way to the muzzle
That sporter style carbine is just gorgeous!
Breveté SGDG means it's a French-market gun. Means "Sans Garantie Du Gouvernement".
It was used from 1844 to 1968 and roughly translates as the fact that while the government gave a patent to the inventor, they're not liable if the patented product doesn't work like advertised.
Wow imagine having one of those engraved carbines :o That'd be such an awesome gun to have in a collection..
Very nice. That full stocked carbine is sublime. The detail in the stock, and some of the shaping they had to do, is incredible. It was probably pretty useful for small game, target shooting, and even self defense. The ballistics would be comparable to the 327 Federal Mag, even more so if the carbine gave 100 fps or so more than the pistol. The collector who has all these really has an amazibg collection, and is to be commended for preserving them. Great video as always. Thank you
Ah, yes, the 1km pistol battle...
Is it just me who want to see Ian and Karl do a spoof version of Lou Bega's "Mambo No. 5" called "Bergmann No. 5"?
i really want to see this carabine one shooting :c i'm sure there is not many and anyone wants to shoot with this, is ammo stil available?
It's completely unavailable, unfortunately. Hard to even find data on it, much less actual cartridges.
Forgotten Weapons would it be a good idea to reverse engineer the bullets for data? I'm sure that this day and age we have gun powder that burns at a lower rate.
My guess would be that pouch is for a lanyard
That could make sense...
I want to believe it's there for your monocle or pocket watch, but, since the magazines are serialized, it might just be for extra loose cartridges, yeah?
A compass, maybe? ".....with a compass in the stock, and this thing which tells time!" "You'll shoot your eye out, kid."
I thinking maybe cleaning patches for the cleaning rod
I'm less sure now... Some Bergmann models have a loop at the base of the grip for a lanyard but I can't find any pictures of a No.5 with the loop. Unless it goes through the stock lug hole or somewhere else entirely
That sporter carbine is beautiful.
1000m sight, thats pretty optimistic
The gas relief hole was most probably designed to also be a witness hole for a loaded cartridge.
Wow that carbine is really cool!
Those witness-holes in the frame practically scream "InrangeTV mud-test!!".. ;)
Oh man, I want that sporter carbine. That thing is so slick, looks like it would be really pleasant to shoot.
1,000 meter sights on a pistol? Optimists for sure.
That carbine is so elegant and aristocratic, but the mechanics and use are so modern. It is essentially a rich man's truck gun from 1897. Truly an artifact that speaks to the history and people of the period. Most transitional technologies appear awkward and crude, but I find the Bergmanns to lack the rough utilitarianism of so many early adoptions of new technology (e.g. the Mondragon, cool though it may be.)
Maybe that side pockets was for a cleaning kit. That would be something military contracts might look for.
Josh Samuelson I was thinking the same thing
1000m with those sights and a pistol cartridge isn’t optimistic, it’s lunacy
That Karabiner is one nice firearm...
i just wanted to say that I've enjoyed the Bergmann series of videos I just think it's really cool that you we're able to get ahold of so many different types thanks for your videos
that pocket is for your chewing tobaco because a real man who of course owns a Bergmann also chews tobaco :P
Great video, once again!
And I love how you almost never forget to also give us, metric folks, the technical numbers in a unit we can comprehend; that's really kind of you and much appreciated :)
I always want him to say 7 and 5/8mm. 😜
Pistolwise, I think I prefer the look of the 1-3 with the clips rather than magazines, but that wood stock carbine is pretty slick.
1000 metre setting??? Wow.. optimistic or what
i definitely liked the fact you had an opportunity to show some examples of ammunition. great job as always.
I really like weird looking guns for some reason 🥰
Double stack magazine?
I can't watch a video of his anymore without thinking of how it would do in a mud test
MANDALORIAN brought me here
That carbine is absolutely gorgeous!
That carbine could have such potential in trench warfare of ww1 if only used tad larger cartridge... I mean it's a hell lot shorter than a rifle of the time, and semi-auto.
7.62 Tokarev SMGs like the PPSh-41 say hi. That carbine would have been a pretty serious game changer in WW1, even without being selective fire.
Don't worry guys eventually he'll run out of Bergmanns. heh
The carbine in the wood stock is beautiful. I wouldnt mind owning one myself.
the carbine looks awesome.
The pistol is so sexy, kinda wish I was a gunsmith and remake the gun with a more modern system, and maybe make it .45 caliber
I was actually thinking 7.62 Tokarev. And built to take the Russian SMG ammo pressure. I don't think there's any of that left, but the gun looks beefy enough outside to take it.
1000 meters... thats optimistic.
remind me of the c96 for some reason nice
what would the use be for a 1000 meter sight on a pistol or even a carbine
Area fire or distance measuring.
That little carbine is badass
Imagine open carrying that thing.
Man, that carbine would look so good hanging over my dinning area in my RV, and what a plinker; convert her to take the Takarov ammo and away we go, ( be very quiet, I am hunting rabbits!)
I don't know about converting it, but I would pay $1200 to $1500 for a modern reproduction in 7.62 Tokarev.
Pretty cool collection of guns.
Everytime I see this style of video, I get a little shiver. Imagine Bergmann decided after making the 7.8 mm cartridge, long barreled pistol into a sporter carbine "Stutzen", let's make it a cheap semi auto carbine, same cartridge for military trials!
WW1 with germany fully equipped with semi auto Bergmann carbines and Schmeisser Mp for trench clearing. Holy crap!
Yeah, that would have been scary!