Thermal Mass and Insulation - The Difference Between Cob Walls and Strawbale Walls

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  • Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2024

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  • @cuttwice3905
    @cuttwice3905 Год назад +11

    Shiv, be it hemp or flax, is normally a waste produce. The hemp tow you showed was from scutching. Under ideal conditions hemp fibre can be over 4 meters long and flax up to 1 m. Yes, I'm very much into fiber craft.

  • @FortniteOG420
    @FortniteOG420 Год назад +17

    I found that in my earthbag/cob slip house, having insulation on the outside and thermal mass on the inside keeps the temperature stable for very long periods of time, and with the insulation on the outside, that keeps outside temperatures from coming in and the cool air in because of the cool walls

    • @thiscobhouse
      @thiscobhouse  Год назад +3

      Cool.

    • @franek_izerski
      @franek_izerski Год назад +1

      How do the outside insulation and the inside thermal mass connect? Or are they separated?

  • @Fina-x5n
    @Fina-x5n 2 месяца назад +2

    would be helpful if u state how straw bale vs cob behave in summer & winter in terms of heat inside the building, coziness, and cooling in summer, too much heat etc.

  • @suriyadunya9994
    @suriyadunya9994 11 месяцев назад +2

    Simple yet awesome video

  • @Austin1990
    @Austin1990 21 день назад

    Another way to look at it is that insulations makes it easier to maintain a temperature difference (hot I side, cold outside for instance) while thermal mass averages out temperature fluctuations (day night cycles). If the average temperature is 10 degrees hotter than the inside temperature, cooling will be difficult without insulation even with a lot of thermal mass.

  • @totallyoffgrid3008
    @totallyoffgrid3008 Год назад +1

    Super informative. Thanks

  • @michaelromes8660
    @michaelromes8660 Год назад +5

    can you use both ideas, two walls using a cob wall with a straw- wall with a cob covering for the inside wall.
    So the outside wall would be a one foot thick cob wall and a inside wall of state with a cob covering.

    • @abdulkadirthecarguy1948
      @abdulkadirthecarguy1948 Год назад +5

      You can change the mixing ratio instead of that.
      Using both ideas means killing each ideas together. You are not gonna get nice thermal mass, because you blocked it with insulation. You can't really benefit insulation because you made half of the wall from thermal mass.
      It's not how you build the walls. Its deciding which wall needs thermal mass and with one needs insulation.

    • @thiscobhouse
      @thiscobhouse  Год назад

      Yes, please refer to this video I did recently on dual walls: ruclips.net/video/HP07HppympE/видео.html

  • @janetcannon3520
    @janetcannon3520 Год назад +1

    Great video-thank you! What kind of insulation is that on the table behind you in the house? I ask because I’m trying to figure out good insulation for ceiling/roofs and I wondered if you found a good solution for that.

  • @RVBadlands2015
    @RVBadlands2015 Год назад +1

    We used rice straw for our house.

  • @cupoft9917
    @cupoft9917 Год назад +5

    A little off current topic (but any question you said) I'm planning a perimeter wall in either straw bales or earth bags What would advise for protection against heavy rain or the element in general lime plasta? Loving your channel.

    • @thiscobhouse
      @thiscobhouse  Год назад +2

      Lime plaster. Raise it off the ground at least a foot with the stem wall foundation, and cover the top with a roof.

    • @he7is7at7hand
      @he7is7at7hand Год назад +1

      ​@@thiscobhouse, what's the difference between lime plaster and cement?

    • @JaimeEatsMusic
      @JaimeEatsMusic Год назад +1

      @@he7is7at7hand cement has various additives that end up reducing airflow, it is not recommended for natural building, as it can lead to rot of fibrous materials.

  • @he7is7at7hand
    @he7is7at7hand Год назад +1

    It seems like in a place where it could be hot all night long a person would want insulation, and not thermal Mass for the walls. It would be better to have passive solar where the sun would shine on the thermal Mass Through the Windows and heated up in the winter time but in the summertime the sun wouldn't shine on it. So, make the walls with insulation of some sort and have passive solar. I think that's the answer for West Texas where I live.

  • @tamaraelliott8612
    @tamaraelliott8612 Год назад

    How about using bottles inside Cobb walls for insulation.

  • @tamaraelliott8612
    @tamaraelliott8612 Год назад +1

    Would you recomend thermal or fiber (straw slip in forms) in Chitwan Nepal. It's unbelievably hot in hot time and gets into the 40s during cold time. I'm thinking both. Rice straw heavy on outside of walls,glass bottle center,ziq zagging for strength for Inside the wall then Cobb heavy material on the interior side of wall. What say you? Also wall will be 18" wide 6' tall 15' long.

    • @tamaraelliott8612
      @tamaraelliott8612 Год назад +1

      Sooo supper hot climate with Monsoon and pretty cold in winter. No shade trees
      I'm building on 2 rice/corn farm fields in Chitwan Nepal....Sooo hot. 🙏

    • @thiscobhouse
      @thiscobhouse  Год назад +2

      What did they build with there in the past before concrete?
      Also, please check out these two videos of mine on dual wall systems:
      ruclips.net/video/HP07HppympE/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/c8t-TO1HuEI/видео.html

  • @mrgreen8231
    @mrgreen8231 11 месяцев назад

    Have you used Tyvek outside and plastic inside as usual? Wether it's not required?

    • @thiscobhouse
      @thiscobhouse  11 месяцев назад

      I would not advise using any plastic moisture barriers on either the outside or inside of any earthen or straw based wall system. They need to be vapor permeable.

    • @mrgreen8231
      @mrgreen8231 11 месяцев назад

      @@thiscobhouse I see, sounds this type of houses are good in dry climate, right?

    • @SonnyCrocket-p6h
      @SonnyCrocket-p6h 7 месяцев назад

      @@thiscobhouse tyvek IS permeable. google it.

  • @frutonfarmandinstead1020
    @frutonfarmandinstead1020 Год назад

    In adding a lime to mud slip would there be any concerns with decomposition due to higher alkaline? I use lime to cold pastuerize straw for mushroom growing substrate. So I can see a benefit to it, just wondering if you have any knowledge on it.

    • @thiscobhouse
      @thiscobhouse  Год назад +1

      I don't think there would be any problem like that. Agricultural lime is also different than building lime. Can't say that I know the exact difference though!

    • @frutonfarmandinstead1020
      @frutonfarmandinstead1020 Год назад

      @@thiscobhouse That is what I was thinking hydrated lime what I use in mushrooms. I'm thinking since I've got water with lime already why not use it in the clay.

  • @makingd.o.123
    @makingd.o.123 Год назад

    I may be homeless soon do you think building a double wall wattle with a straw packed enter core with cod inside and out would protect from the elements especially in winter say something 8×8 with a 4 foot back wall and 8 foot front wall so the tarp roof will be 45° something big enough for a bed and maybe a cob fireplace I've been thinking about this awhile now I know I run the risk of being run off for trespassing so it will be on government land but something that can be left behind with only losing a tarp if run off and rebuilt easily with a saw and very little cordage plus the things around you until I find a place suitable enough to build I'll use a hammock with a tarp cover to sleep and travel easily

  • @douglaspohl1827
    @douglaspohl1827 Год назад +3

    Show the math... you can jaw about the materials for hours but if you don't do the calculations it's a big opinion experiment without a science basis... be an engineer... if you don't show the math comparisons using specific heat values and best layering choices, i.e. dual walls, then we know it's your dice roll... show the dual wall insulation math calculations... materials and time are way too dear to guess. Show your materials costs in the various build type evaluation table...
    Examples of Specific Heats (BTU/LB °F) materials:
    Paraffin wax 3260
    Cork 2000
    Water 4182
    Wet mud 2512
    Soil wet 1480
    Soil dry 800
    Wood 1500
    Poly styrene 1400
    Concrete 880
    Brick 840
    Slate 760
    Perlite 387
    Typical Heating BTUh Requirements Per Square Foot:
    Look at map, learn zone, calc BTUs.
    The table of required heating BTUs per square foot is based on the IECC climate zone map shown at url Source: IECC Climate Zone Map, U.S. Department of Energy (US DOE), retrieved 2018/06/21, original source: basc.pnnl.gov/images/iecc-climate-zone-map.
    Climate Zone 1 - 30-35 BTUs / sq. ft.
    Climate Zone 2 - 35-40 BTUs / sq. ft.
    Climate Zone 3 - 40-45 BTUs / sq. ft.
    Climate Zone 4 - 45-50 BTUs / sq. ft.
    Climate Zone 5 - 50-60 BTUs / sq. ft. (some sources cite 50-55 BTUs / sq.ft.)
    Climate Zone 6 - citation needed; popular heating zone maps for the U.S. do not follow the current DOE climate zone definitions that we accept here.
    Climate Zone 7 - ditto.
    A 1,000 square foot room requires 18,000 BTUs. A simple formula to determine your heating needs is: (desired temperature change) x (cubic feet of space) x .133 = BTUs needed per hour.
    Get split heat pump system quote. Make sure you add wood stove/fireplace for backup heat.

    • @abdulkadirthecarguy1948
      @abdulkadirthecarguy1948 Год назад

      Then go watch an engineer or a scientist. This guy is just a builder sharing his experience and knowledge.
      He never claimed he is the genius scientific organic cob engineer...

    • @douglaspohl1827
      @douglaspohl1827 Год назад +1

      @Abdulkadir Thecarguy He needs to say here is how I build and my calcs and results are... 1-2-3 Teachers teach...

    • @abdulkadirthecarguy1948
      @abdulkadirthecarguy1948 Год назад

      @@douglaspohl1827 are you even listening? Cool, you did some math on stoves.
      This guy is just saying "2+2 is 4, you have to learn the rest". This is basic information. He is showing the Rabbit hole. The jump is up to you.
      Jump in, do the math Mr. Engineer. I would like to see them.

    • @thiscobhouse
      @thiscobhouse  Год назад +5

      Maybe I should hire you to do the math.

    • @tamaraelliott8612
      @tamaraelliott8612 Год назад

      @@thiscobhouse Thanks for all you have contributed to me. This Guy sending shade obviously has" issues"😂. Where can I find how to build slip form's? Thanks for everything 😊🙏🌍