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CrunchyRoll over the week dropped #attackontitan Finale episode in English. Bryce Papenbrook, Matt Mercer and everyone returns for the final installment of Attack on Titan ever.
0:00 - 0:33 - Intro
0:33 - 1:23 - My Journey with Dubs and Attack on Titan
1:23 - 4:14 - Attack on Titan Finale Dub Review
4:14 - 6:12 - Eren & Lelouch English Dub Comparison (CODE GEASS SPOILERS)
6:13 - 11:11 - Now WHY You Are Wrong About Dubs
11:11 - 12:43 - SAG's Betrayal and Dub Talk on Twitter
12:43 - 13:12 - WHAT ARE YOUR FAV DUB MOMENTS / OUTRO
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I love dubs because even though I can watch anime subbed, I can just process shows a lot easier and I like watching shows when I can look away for a second without missing what’s happening.
Watching dub anime has a number of advantages imo. You don't have to read subtitles so you get to focus more on the animation and you catch more details. You hear EXACTLY what word is being emphasized in a sentence so some lines just have more impact and depth. Sometimes in sub you finish reading the subtitle noticeably before the character actually finishes speaking so it creates that disconnect where you kinda spoiled yourself before the line actually lands.
So yeah...dub anime is the way to go for me as long as the dub cast is quality. And these days it often is.I I love dub attack on titan , Demon Slayer , MHA , FMAB , Dragon ball...etc.
Missing little details in the animation is the biggest reason why I prefer dub. I watch many reactors and they miss a lot of important details because they are watching sub.
The easiest example of this is when Erin wakes up from what seems like a dream and he has the key around his neck.
I grew up watching dubs, anime was expensive in the 00's & being a kid with no money, being able to watch anime late at night on adult swim & toonami was truly an experience (I was a nite owl), & I got back into anime a few years ago because of Attack on Titan dub & I was surprised that everyone (including my brother! lol) was telling me that watching the dub was wrong but for me, I guess its a bit nostalgic but more importantly, I'm completely immersed in the animation, world, & characters more by watching the dub. & I do think that dubs since the late 90's into now have been pretty great. Fullmetal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex & The 2nd Gig, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Paranoia Agent, Samurai Champloo, FLCL, Black Lagoon, it was a quite a vibe back then :)
Like far out. This is exactly what I made this video. For this type of response. I love both. But sometimes I just really wanna watch dub. For comedies, like chainsaw man I would prefer to watch the dub. Comedic timing for me just works better when its voiced and not timed to how fast I read.
This comment section right now is honestly amazing. All if not most of you are subs and you all pass the vibe check. You guys rock.
tom scotts video on voice acting really goes into detail on how much work goes into translating scripts, its really interesting and explains how dubs are no joke
Looking into that now. That sounds so damn cool. Because yeah. My jaw dropped when that Voice actor on tiktok dropped that video last week. It was like a lightbulb moment to make this video and talk about how hard dubs are to make and yet so damn great to watch.
Subs are better for AOT, the japanese voice actors convey the emotion way better than the dubs. I read the lines in english but hear the emotion from the japanese voicer actor. Perfection. ( also the titan screams from the japanese are so far beyond the English dubs its not even close. )
But when it comes to dubs and subs we cant ignore the elephant in the room of what it seems mainly funimation are doing by inputting their politics instead of accurate translations.
That doesn’t seem to happen in shows like AOT though. Sure it’s not good that they are doing it. But they usually leave the mainstream shows untouched.
no, i'm not
Yeah, I think most people are.
The first anime i watched were in dub and they were on TV, so loved them. But it took only one anime in sub to make it impossible to go back. There were times where i watched shows in dub, and some of them were much better then i have anticipated, especially compared to amature dubs. But still for me no matter how good is their performance it transforms the show into something different, its not original anymore. Some jokes are different, tone can be different, cultural references may be different and the whole vibe is different too. There was a time when i was stupid enough to call dub enjoyers stupid. I'm not proud of myself for this. Now i'm old enough to understand that people are free to enjoy anime however they want, but still i feel strongly that dub and sub may be both godly but still different.
PS: I know it may sound dumb but for my ears japanise seyuus way of talking and expression is somehow cleaner, brighter, easier to understand compared to english ones. I would think that my exposure to subs just made me more receptive to japanise intonations, but i'm pretty sure it was like that from the very begining.
no matter how good the dub is the original will always be better.
Erwin’s speech says otherwise
pretty solid for a dub but original is better@@odil7583
I’d recommend looking into the original Pioneer Dub for DBZ’s first 2 movies. There’s a rly genuine attempt to replicate the pitch of Masako Nozawa’s original voice for Goku and it’s rare to see a dub from that era taking such effort to maintain accuracy. In general most of the performances are outstanding especially for a late 90s Toonami Era Dub.
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& Yes bro I'm from Pakistan but always prefer watching anime in English rather than in My native language or Japanese because anime English dubs voice acting quality is beyond perfection unlike Hindi dubs.
8:35 Glad to know you watched Fullmetal in dub because It's ADR director and Jean's voice was Mike MacFarland Other than that Vic Mignogna as Edward Elric has been always along the best voice acting performances in the industry & all anime fans are well aware that all the allegations against him are false.
8:38 I haven't watched Cyberpunk and am not interested in it but got to know it's dub even features the voices of Giancarlo Esposito, Samuel Barnett and Alec Newman.
Fun fact: I adore the Demon Slayer Dub as much as the Sub, and I say this proudly.
As someone who doesnt really like the dub for Demon Slayer that is so cool. I love that you love it. This is all I ask for.
Same there both equally good imo.
Do you think Bryce Papenbrook continue voicing Silver The Hedgehog?
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Let's try keep this civil hey. I know dub vs sub talk can get pretty heated.
12:45 Charles you haven’t experienced sub unless you have seen Ghost Stories🫣
I don’t watch subtitles. I’d rather fully watch the show and watch what is going on than have to read the screen
It’s this trade off that I totally understand. To gate keep someone from watching an entire medium for this reason seems dumb to me
Dubs are good sometimes. Some people just prefer listening to Japanese. Personally I'm just gonna watch the original sound regardless of the language
The factor of having something be timed and paced to its original language for animation is always a great point. Its also good seeing how much more attention to detail they are able to do on modern dubs compared to 20 years ago.
@DareToEntertain idk if you heard but the translators at crunchyroll are a bunch of feminist extremists and they got caught drastically changing dub translations to insert their ridiculous agenda...another reason not to watch dubs
Interesting discussion! The minimal anime I've ever watched has always been subbed. Not that I dislike dubs, just never really cared to use it!
Thanks for pitching in. Its also worth noting that knowing you. The exact thing I am saying isnt something you do at all.
My guy knows how to pull in an audience. I respect that.
Thanks mate. I try my best.
Yes! I would love a dedicated video of Lelouch and Eren!
Oooo Okay. This is 100% something I am dying to talk about.
@@DareToEntertain It doesn't have to be fancy production wise and I haven't seen anyone really make a longer form more in-depth analysis between them. The community at large however very much thinks and discusses it. But there is no like good piece of content surrounding it.
I loved the GOAT Troy Baker’s performance as Greed in FMA Brotherhood
What a performance. For me FMAB was a must watch dub watch due to knowing prior Travis Willingham voiced mustang. And I don’t Regret it one bit
One thing i don't like about aot dub is the way titans scream lol. I don't know why they changed it.
See I totally see this. But also love dub titan screams. Though when Eren is older I liked the more animal style scream. The Dub sounds almost Evangelion and like a beast I can quite put a finger on. I literally switch between sequences just to hear both.
What are your favourite dubbed animes? Let me know down here!
Easily Attack on Titan
death notee
YES! Death Note's dub is iconic.
Attack on Titan is my favourite dub too. With the Sub already being perfect its funny how lucky AoT fans are.
Loved the change in the last fight scene in chainsaw main. Was honestly better then the original 😄
I think the Bad Reputation of dubs is because of old Anime like Naruto who honestly didnt have good dubs at least the German one.
I Watch Most Anime in Sub I just like it more but gatekeeping people who dont is just stupid.
See this is all people like me ask for. You have your preference. But we can both enjoy whatever show we are watching is. If we both enjoy the anime I dont see the need to gatekeep.
The English dub of Naruto is amazing. But yeah... the german dub... less so. And I usually love german dubs.
I like watching dubs too and I don't see why people hate on dubs. Speaking on Attack on Titans's dub I absolutely love it and I honestly prefer the dub of the final episode over the sub version. I started watching Attack on Titan in dub when season 2 was airing on Adult Swim and I watched season 3 in dub on there as well. I didn't have Crunchyroll or Funimation at the time so I had to but I loved it. Season 4 I watched the sub and the dub since I was able to watch it on Funimation and Crunchyroll.
To me they are just two different experiences but both are just so peak. And when entering the space of anime for the first time in 2022. To be met with "You didn't watch it properly" or "You dont really understand it yet till you watch sub". Was kinda disheartening. But I am with you. I watch both. I prefer the dub but its something you can't really go wrong. And when I try to get friends to watch it. I don't think twice to offer the dub as a way to watch it considering just how good it is.
@@DareToEntertain I agree with you 100%. dub and sub are equally good and dubs are easier for new anime watchers to get into a series. If the dub is good like Cyberpunk Edgerunners which I heard so many good things about the dub for that series and I was blown away when I watch it in dub.
Nice boat.
SUB carefully checks how to express emotions and act according to the author's intentions. Also, I think there are quite a few parts of DUB that aren't fully translated from Japanese to English. I feel like there aren't enough words in some places.
There aren’t direct translations for some words from Japanese to English because of how different the language are, so they have to kind of just infer what it’s meant to be said
no translation is perfect, sub isnt any inherently better its just less cringe because the audio aspect is obsfucated by the language barrier.
One dub that I think goes completely unnoticed is the one for Netflix's Baki (or at least the first season). It actually improves a lot of the dialogue significantly.
Oh really?? How so. What does the dub add?
@@DareToEntertain In some cases, the dub does a better job of explaining what's actually going on. The situations the characters get themselves into can often be very nonsensical, so it's important to understand the core idea being conveyed.
In other cases, the dub takes lines of dialogue that felt pointless in the sub and makes them funnier. One example of this is when a character is running through town at high speeds while carrying an injured man on his back, stopping oncoming vehicles with his bare hands and performing all kinds of ridiculous stunts. In the sub, the onlookers express their bewilderment with stock standard lines like "No one's going to believe this. Even if I tell someone". But in the dub, the onlookers are portrayed to be more annoyed than anything else, saying things like "I'm all for fitness, but haven't these guys ever heard of going to the gym?"
I actually recommend watching the show in dub with the original subtitles just to compare the two.
That is just so fascinating. Thanks for sharing that mate. Now this is a show I absolutely will eventually watch. Just my backlog is so long so idk when I’ll get to it
imma be honest some dubs i dont mind death note is a good one (did start of with dub with deathnote so) but some i cant do with dub character dont match the voice actor
And thats fine. Demon Slayer dub is not for me. But its the mentality of gatekeeping that I am calling out. If I simply had called this "Attack on Titan Dub review" People just do not care. Or do not want to hear about dubs and dont take it seriously. People just HATE dub.
im not sure bout demon slayer and such i just hate one piece dub @@DareToEntertain
not sure bout attack on titan haven't watched it but i know some animes are decent dub
Dubs are definitely increasing in their voice Acting quality.
I absolutely agree. With how many show having such great dubs. Its meant recommending them to friends and family SO much easier.
Since you watched it in sub too, all is well
Please watch HAIKYUU, its amazing. With a W storyline and the most hype moments, Its dub is actually one of the funniest too LOL, its good
I will add it to the list. Never watched a sports anime before. Maybe this will be my first.
@@DareToEntertain It will be awsome, trust me, just have patience
I saw someone on Instagram complain about Armin's voice being deep(er) and it's so stupid because Armin is a whole man. Yeah he's soft or whatever but having a woman voice him doesn't work for the english language
Connie killing Daz and the other dude was better in dub, Erwin's speech was better in dub, Ymir's voice actress (freckles ymir) perfectly captures her personality, Levi's voice is better in dub, and so on and on and on
AOT dub ROCKS and people just hate to hear others enjoy a "non-original" masterpiece.
Not better, maybe preference. I'd take levi's sub over dub any day of the week
@@karimantas he has a great voice in both, because it stands out in both sub and dub. I just prefer dub
I was just listing what I liked better in dub and I liked a lot of voices better in dub
@@Foxywhiskers23 Fair enough. I did have a chance of hearing some aot dubbed and I can say that I did not mind Levi, Erwin VA in particular (in dub). I think they're actually quite good. However, I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE Eren's VA in dubbed. Not a fan of Mikasa's or Armin's either.Titans in Dub also sound goofy aah.
Again, just my opinion.
@@karimantas I agree Eren's and Armin's suck, they're just annoying. I don't mind Mikasa because she doesn't talk oops and I don't mind the Titans either. But I can see why you wouldn't like it if you're used to sub or let's say watched sub first
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Analyse the one piece dub. One of the biggest shows with one of the most hated on dubs
people hate the OP dub? I thought it was one of the more popular ones. Sadly One piece is a anime that is just far too large at the moment to take on. If I worked full time on youtube I would absoltuely consider it. It is a gold mine for content with how much story there is. Just yeah. At the moment I just cant see myself being able to tackle it.
@@DareToEntertain I mean if the focus was about the dub, you wouldn't have to watch the whole show. just watch a shorter arc, in both sub and dub. but yeah understandable.
The people who always say the original better sometimes then pit games like Genshin on Japanese…
Bryce papenbrook is perfect for eren in season 4 especially
no I agree with you. Dub can be good and there are two version neat! I prefer Sub nearly all the time. FMA, Death Note and code geass are like 3 where the Dub may win even for me.
W/o having watched the video: get the hell outta here (exceptions prove the rule)
Thoughts after watching the video?
Great anime but great dubs in no paticular order.
Attack on titan
Pyscho pass
Death note
Full metal alchemist brother hood
Codegeas
Bleach
Naruto
Im done feel free to add on to it
Watch Kaguya sama dub plz. (Underrated dub too)
Tokyo ghouls dub slaps hard
Kaguya sama dub is peak
I’ve been watching dubbed anime on and off for ages, I guess there were some horrible ones but the ones I’ve seen are extremely well done. I understand if you speak the language it’d be better if you watched in Japanese and they’re great voice actors but a lot of times it’s just people trying to feel superior for some reason
As someone who is sceptical about watching anything, let alone Anime. Attack on Titan’s dub was the gateway for me to experience Anime for the first time, blowing any expectations I had out of the water. In my eyes, it has now become my favourite show, and I have the dedicated and talented souls behind the DUB Voices to thank for this.
You and the others I know that tried AoT through the dub are the reasons why I never get the idea of gatekeeping.
anime dub is good
Imagine watching Erwin’s speech and still thinking dub is bad 💀 (not you. Other people)
Dub is gr8 but there are too much repeating voices used from show to show
Same Japanese lol, you just don’t notice it because well… you don’t speak it lmao. Like luffy is literally krillin from dbz
@@WuMyth Literally this. There is so much in regards to complaints about dub that could easily be applied to Sub but... people just dont understand japanese. Maybe thats a bonus. Who knows.
Ghost stories dub
You think I’d like that? I haven’t seen anything about it bar you and em mentioning it
Dub is actually good
Love finding dub enjoyers. So based.
I must say I have to take the L here and say that I forced my mother to wath AOT in sub because I can't stand the spanish dub. I've heard it gets better the longer the series goes, but for me the start is such a clear downgrade over the original Japanese that I can't get over it.
Spaniard dubs over anything that isn't anime are generally incredible (The Simpsons in spanish are better than the original and i will die on this hill), but for some reason anime mostly takes the short end of the stick here.
Watch whatever you want, but there’s only negative reasons someone would watch dub. Vast majority of people that watch dub either can’t pay attention, have a weird aversion to foreign things, or just suck at reading. This isn’t exclusive to anime either, people that watch Squid Game or Money Heist dubbed are weird.
This comment doesn't have a single lie or missed mark. Its just that it speaks to a different issue at hand. And if someone who you were engaging with is someone known for not FULLY engaging with their media such as anime. Then youd just go about it differently. The same way how you talk to your grandparents about shows youve seen compared to your best mates.
And none of the things youve mentioned also state that you now gatekeep these people. As anime gets larger more people who watch it low effort are gonna be among this group. That sucks but is also reality. We are gonna see more dogshit hot takes with people who dont understand what they watched. That is also gonna be a factor. In short I hear you.
When people are talking and fighting at the same time, which happens a lot in anime, it’s literally impossible to fully enjoy both when watching the sub. That alone makes dub superior for me.
@@StreamlinedGaming_ Again, that just means you're bad at reading. You aren't supposed to stare at subtitles and read one word at a time, they're literally designed so that you can look at the entire screen and understand them without specifically staring at them.
When I watch something subbed, 99.9% of the time I don't need to specifically stare at the subtitles word for word to completely understand them. Instead, I am looking at the ENTIRE screen and understanding/absorbing the subtitles as they pop up.
This is pretty much a universally agreed practice/opinion in the cinema community, I don't know why it's controversial in anime.
@@TheJackal159 It's quite fascinating how you've positioned yourself as the arbiter of the 'right' way to enjoy anime. Bravo! It must be a tremendous burden, possessing such unique insight into the 'universally agreed practice' of the cinema community.
I suppose those of us who appreciate dubs are just wallowing in our inability to multi-task like the enlightened beings who watch subs. We should be ashamed, really, for enjoying the entire screen without the distraction of text, or for preferring to hear the dialogue in our native tongue. How dare we choose an option that suits our personal preferences and viewing styles! Clearly, our simple minds just can't comprehend the complex art of subtitle reading. Thank you, all knowing TheJackal159, for showing us the error of our ways.
@@StreamlinedGaming_ It's actually sad how much both of your comments reek of insecurity.
Both of your points fall under the three categories I listed in my first comment. You're bad at reading and have a weird aversion to foreign things, just own it instead of lashing out. Those are the reasons behind your personal preferences of "enjoying the entire screen without the distraction of text, or for preferring to hear the dialogue in our native tongue"
Yes, consuming any media in it's original intended format or language is the right way to view it. This is literally common sense in every other community besides anime.
Bleach and Dragonball has the best dubs
Dragon balls dub is one of the most iconic dubs period. And the voice actor of itchigo Johnny Yong Bosch voiced lelouch. I love him so much
Its disgusting that when you say 'dub', you only mean english dub. Have you ever watched a dub in another language for the voice acting?
Not everyone is an english speaker.
Literally every point I make is aimed at all dubs. Spanish, German WHATEVER! Its literally a mentality approach to anyone who watches something that isnt japanese. Why are you so quick to jump that my tune would be different to something other than eglish? Literally the point is. Whatever way you watch it. If you enjoy it and actually are trying to consume it properly. Then its valid. Thats it.
@@DareToEntertain It's not valid though. The author created it in a certain way. You're watching an altered version. It's like reading a book that's gone through the hands of several layers of censors and changes before you consume it. It's like getting tools which are dulled so you don't hurt yourself by thinking too much.
Easy example - Pokemon - Jelly donut? Wtf? Recent example - Patriarchical societal demands?
People can enjoy it however they want, like they can enjoy an Americanized picture of Mona Lisa eating a burger and fries. It's not wrong of them to do so, but its a far cry from the original.
It's incredible disingenuous of you to claim otherwise.
The manga is in Japanese. Are you saying to read the non translated version? This is the EXACT thing I am calling out.
Also do you have the slightest idea how a book gets published? You literally described any book ever. LITERALLY ALL BOOKS EVEN MANGA!
And comparing dubs done by industry professionals to dull tools is absurd. It's insulting to the entire industry. The entire way you have gone about having this conversation is baffling. My take is as simple as can be. If you jump to these wild conclusions then whatever. Continue to be the showcase of the exact type of person that gatekeeps and pushes people away from the space.
In being a content creator I get to hear so many different perspectives on topics including such as this. And its literally things like this as to why people don't even bother entering the space. You make 5-6 comparisons that do little to nothing in actually moving any needle forward. So thanks for ignoring everything in this video to further push this.
some are good some are bad some are in between. I am not wrong about dubs. Ive watched whole 0 seconds of the video
This comment made me chuckle quite a bit.
What a strange video. You start out trying to tell people they're wrong about dubs then just flop back over to "watch what you enjoy watching" like yeah... that's what we were already doing.
Wow it’s almost like he’s trying to say that you should respect that people enjoy dubs and stay in your own lane instead of trying to shove the “all dubs suck” statement down their throat all the time whattttt
@@keno4770 I never did any of that, sounds like you're assuming a lot of stuff.
@@macready84 The guy above kinda said what the aim of this is. Its not to say everyone does this. But the wider community absolutely does. A title like "Some people are wrong about anime" Does not get peoples attention. And considering this video is still struggling then yeah its still not hot enough in that department.
The overall gist is to yeah. I think the space around dubs is toxic. My anime attack on titan video from last year featured some clips of dub because that is what I watched the show in. I received SO many comments on how my opinion or my entire 22,000 word essay was now invalid because I had consumed dub first.
Is this hyperbolic or a bit playful. yeah. But yes people are wrong about dubs. They arent the worst thing on planet worth. If you dont think this. Then you arent a part of that group. You're with us. If you dislike dub and dont care if your friends watch dub of the same show. Then again, you are not a part of this group I am saying that are wrong.
This should clear things up. As a dub watcher my experience has been quite messy and its 2024. In 2013-14 or even earlier i know it woulda been 10x worse.
People complain about Eren's dub voice actor sounding too whiny and annoying as if that isn't Eren's entire damn character. Drives me crazy
And then when you bring up Gabi... Just yeah. The guy isnt meant to be the coolest dude ever. The animation and character design helps a ton. Its why I specifically call upon Lelouch as an example of someone who is what everyone THINKS Eren is. When in actuality. Eren during the talk with Armin is the most real and RAW we have seen him since early since 3 days.