I don't always listen to the voices in my head, but when I do I seem to have more fun. I tried the bone conduction headset ones once. I sent them back because I didn't like the way they fit. In ear are nice just don't overdrive them or you will be spending more time saying "what did you say?" 73
Been using an AfterShock boneset for over 3 years....worked great because i had to wear one of those secret service earpieces while "on the job"....by using the earplugs magnifies the sound "into" your head.....i love my aftershocks....might have to get a set of these for a back up. Thanks for all you do.
fascinating video. The bone conducting headset sounded very flat indeed. Whilst the in-ear set was very similar to the feed coming from your laptop mike. Of the two I'd prefer the in ear set. Really thought provoking.
Defo prefer the audio from the in-ear set. The bone-conduction set sounded very digitized and compressed. Thanks for the tests Steve, currently looking at options for my new FT5D. Might even go with standard wired option.
No problem. I'm debating if one needs a BT PTT button as well as a headset. the 5D HT isn't that hard to hold, but I do get the need for audio isolation from your working area, so headsets definitely have a place.
Ear holes 😊 I actually tried some bone conduction ear phones recently and it was awesome and strange all at the same time. But I did not test the microphone for quality
The only one that bothered me was your back yard mic, since it made me feel like my right ear was blocked (left channel only in those clips). I like the idea of bone conduction for the microphone, since it would presumably keep background noise out of your transmitted audio. Bluetooth A2DP always has some latency. I have to wonder if latency would make it harder to break a pile up. And I'm generally annoyed when the newscaster turns it over to the remote reporter, who then stands there looking stupid for a second or so before they react, but I'll bet that he Bluetooth latency isn't that bad. A possible advantage of bone conduction earphone functionality is that, since it doesn't cover the ear, it might be more legal to drive that way. The in ear one has better low end, but I'm not sure that's a good thing for Ham radio (good for RUclips, though). And in ear ambient noise reduction through being in ear on receive might be a plus for a multi station, multi operator room.
My fault: I have a set of in-ear BT headphones that I use to edit my videos... apparently they are so smart that if I only have a single channel of audio, it will mirror the audio automatically... but if I remove one of the earbuds, it will take it a second to know that I did and then switch the channel to the other side... very very weird and kinda creepy. I have 2 other sets of BT headsets that do not have any noticable delay... is A2DP the only BT audio protocol? I have seen the delay in some speakers and not in others.
@@temporarilyoffline A2DP is a stereo protocol. The last time that I checked, headset protocol was mono. Phones use headset protocol for calls, and A2DP to la music. This is from about 10 years ago when I got my first smart phone,, and wanted to play music. Things may have changed.
lol. Took me awhile to figure out half the video wasn’t recorded in stereo. Was using my Bluetooth earbuds but only the right one to save battery life…
I have a set of in-ear BT headphones that I use to edit my videos... apparently they are so smart that if I only have a single channel of audio, it will mirror the audio automatically... but if I remove one of the earbuds, it will take it a second to know that I did and then switch the channel to the other side... very very weird and kinda creepy.
I have seen "real" bone conduction hearing aids - they literally tap into your skull and interface with the bone directly... so "yes" is my estimation of those as an outside observer. These don't have that direct of an interface, but they did work.
I haven't heard one way or the other on BT PTT buttons for the IC-705. I would VOX until I got tired of that and then try one of the other solutions if they were cheap enough. If I get one, I'll make a video about it.
I saw another video where someone bought a cheap, wired earbud with an in-line PTT, then cut off the earbud wire where it came out of the PTT, sealed the hole in the top, and found that worked as a PTT for a BT headset. However it was a different radio, so I don't know if that would work for the IC-705.
@@truhartwood3170 I can try that out without cutting anything, I think it would work, and can probably make something simple with some wires from Amazon! Good idea!
@@temporarilyoffline Cool! I'd be very interested to see how it goes! BT is just so much more convenient - it would be nice to be able to swivel, grab some tea, go to the bathroom, fiddle with other gear, grab reference material off the shelf, chase a toddler or dog, etc while listening, but it's not always quiet enough to use VOX. That's why having a separate hand or foot pedal PTT on or under the desk to grab when you want to talk would be needed in many situations. I wouldn't care of the PTT were wired or BT, just want to use a BT headset.
It might be a difference in the way americans vs asians speak. Yaesu has/had a mic setting for this on their radios due to the nature of the native languages. If these were programmed for asian language reception... whole different world.
don't think i am getting the bone conduction head set. like the sound from outher one. I just have a single ear piece headset that fits under helmet for 2 ways comms on my scooter. I like having a finger PTT . easy to use when driving . does work VOX but some times I get cut off buy outher drivers and I don't want some things said going out over the air. 73's
Based on the microphones, if the dog chewed up the bone conduction set, you would have no great loss.
Agreed!
I don't always listen to the voices in my head, but when I do I seem to have more fun. I tried the bone conduction headset ones once. I sent them back because I didn't like the way they fit. In ear are nice just don't overdrive them or you will be spending more time saying "what did you say?" 73
Right!
Been using an AfterShock boneset for over 3 years....worked great because i had to wear one of those secret service earpieces while "on the job"....by using the earplugs magnifies the sound "into" your head.....i love my aftershocks....might have to get a set of these for a back up. Thanks for all you do.
Happy to help out!
fascinating video. The bone conducting headset sounded very flat indeed. Whilst the in-ear set was very similar to the feed coming from your laptop mike. Of the two I'd prefer the in ear set. Really thought provoking.
I need to test a different set of bone conduction phones/mics... Maybe they are all bad, maybe only this one... dunno. Thanks for watching!
Defo prefer the audio from the in-ear set. The bone-conduction set sounded very digitized and compressed. Thanks for the tests Steve, currently looking at options for my new FT5D. Might even go with standard wired option.
No problem. I'm debating if one needs a BT PTT button as well as a headset. the 5D HT isn't that hard to hold, but I do get the need for audio isolation from your working area, so headsets definitely have a place.
Ear holes 😊 I actually tried some bone conduction ear phones recently and it was awesome and strange all at the same time. But I did not test the microphone for quality
If you can't be heard, why bother listening? Boy does that say a lot about chatting on facebook ;-)
Bone headset sounds like a tin can, the round neck sounds like a cheaper lav mic but better than the other. 73 de W8MJL
I agree!
The same company has an ZIOCOM LK02 with a microphone on an arm tha goes in front of your mouth... that one would be worth testing as well...
Nice! I wonder if it has the delay also.
They're weird. I like standard cup headphones.
The mic sounds boney.😂👍
Boney... roger.
Try with CW. If you succeed, you will be my hero. The (sub)millisecond delay makes it impossible for me to send CW.
I can't imagine I would succeed. My CW isn't good enough, adding the delay would only make it more fun!
The delay might also mess with you if you were trying to send CW while listening to your own sidetone from the radio.
Yeah, I can see that. There would be a nearly imperceptable notice that you weren't right and it would mess with you. Yep.
The only one that bothered me was your back yard mic, since it made me feel like my right ear was blocked (left channel only in those clips).
I like the idea of bone conduction for the microphone, since it would presumably keep background noise out of your transmitted audio. Bluetooth A2DP always has some latency. I have to wonder if latency would make it harder to break a pile up. And I'm generally annoyed when the newscaster turns it over to the remote reporter, who then stands there looking stupid for a second or so before they react, but I'll bet that he Bluetooth latency isn't that bad. A possible advantage of bone conduction earphone functionality is that, since it doesn't cover the ear, it might be more legal to drive that way.
The in ear one has better low end, but I'm not sure that's a good thing for Ham radio (good for RUclips, though). And in ear ambient noise reduction through being in ear on receive might be a plus for a multi station, multi operator room.
My fault: I have a set of in-ear BT headphones that I use to edit my videos... apparently they are so smart that if I only have a single channel of audio, it will mirror the audio automatically... but if I remove one of the earbuds, it will take it a second to know that I did and then switch the channel to the other side... very very weird and kinda creepy.
I have 2 other sets of BT headsets that do not have any noticable delay... is A2DP the only BT audio protocol? I have seen the delay in some speakers and not in others.
@@temporarilyoffline A2DP is a stereo protocol. The last time that I checked, headset protocol was mono. Phones use headset protocol for calls, and A2DP to la music. This is from about 10 years ago when I got my first smart phone,, and wanted to play music. Things may have changed.
I use Shokz bone conduction and will never go back. Never could find a set of ear pods that would stay in or annoy my ears.
I don't like in ear devices myself... Do the Shokz have any delay? I have 3 BT headsets that have no delay and they are great.
lol. Took me awhile to figure out half the video wasn’t recorded in stereo. Was using my Bluetooth earbuds but only the right one to save battery life…
same here 🙂
I have a set of in-ear BT headphones that I use to edit my videos... apparently they are so smart that if I only have a single channel of audio, it will mirror the audio automatically... but if I remove one of the earbuds, it will take it a second to know that I did and then switch the channel to the other side... very very weird and kinda creepy.
Does the bone conduction help those with bad hearing?
I have seen "real" bone conduction hearing aids - they literally tap into your skull and interface with the bone directly... so "yes" is my estimation of those as an outside observer. These don't have that direct of an interface, but they did work.
Anybody know which ones will pair with an IC-705?
How do you connect them wirelessly to you ham radio?
Some radios (Icom IC-705 and Xiegu X6100, a few modern HTs) have bluetooth audio ability
I gotta say I’m not in love with the bone conduction thing#, and the other ones were worse,in my opinion.
Interesting! I thought the round the neck were better, but I do have better mics than both as well. Interesting all the toys that are available to us!
Are there any Bluetooth PTT buttons asside from the one on the Icom Bluetooth headset? Or is it all VOX?
I haven't heard one way or the other on BT PTT buttons for the IC-705. I would VOX until I got tired of that and then try one of the other solutions if they were cheap enough. If I get one, I'll make a video about it.
I saw another video where someone bought a cheap, wired earbud with an in-line PTT, then cut off the earbud wire where it came out of the PTT, sealed the hole in the top, and found that worked as a PTT for a BT headset. However it was a different radio, so I don't know if that would work for the IC-705.
@@truhartwood3170 I can try that out without cutting anything, I think it would work, and can probably make something simple with some wires from Amazon! Good idea!
@@temporarilyoffline Cool! I'd be very interested to see how it goes! BT is just so much more convenient - it would be nice to be able to swivel, grab some tea, go to the bathroom, fiddle with other gear, grab reference material off the shelf, chase a toddler or dog, etc while listening, but it's not always quiet enough to use VOX. That's why having a separate hand or foot pedal PTT on or under the desk to grab when you want to talk would be needed in many situations. I wouldn't care of the PTT were wired or BT, just want to use a BT headset.
Great video tnx man!
You bet! Have a great weekend!
@@temporarilyoffline Why thank you sir! Enjoy the early spring pota Weather!
The bone conduction sounded hollow
agreed, almost robotic.
It might be a difference in the way americans vs asians speak. Yaesu has/had a mic setting for this on their radios due to the nature of the native languages. If these were programmed for asian language reception... whole different world.
I think using either for listening but no mic. Audio is way worse than laptop mic.
I was actually impressed with the laptop mic's performance. I didn't think it was that good.
don't think i am getting the bone conduction head set. like the sound from outher one. I just have a single ear piece headset that fits under helmet for 2 ways comms on my scooter. I like having a finger PTT . easy to use when driving . does work VOX but some times I get cut off buy outher drivers and I don't want some things said going out over the air. 73's
makes sense to me!
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Check 1-2, Check 1-2, Check-Check-Checkity-Check
Hearing your own voice in your own head... Could be worse😆
yeah, it could be...