Nice video, I will say on the subject of the ep-133 limitation and it being more of a "toy" that it seems like the product launch was rushed and it was released incomplete. I believe as a straight up upgrade of the po-33 (some would say a "mkII") it is still unable to do some of the things the tiny PO could (like recording performance fx?) and has a bunch of weird limitations that I believe will be fixed with future firmware updates like no resampling, no sample looping, no sample reversing, no way to turn a sample from stereo to mono, no way to lower quality of the sample (would make sense on an instrument with such limited memory) and not a satisfying "song mode"... It is still very fun and inspiring and in my opinion sounds VERY good in its own way. TE-Davis said the KO II is using a dual core CPU and they are not even using the second core just yet so I expect a bright future for this one :)
ive been thinking of adding a EQ pedal for so long, for multiple uses, like using it before going into a sampler to get a clear definition of what im sampling and use as an end of chain mastering pedal.. but ive never heard a demo of one used for that application. untill today that is.. great demo!
I agree it's good for drums. I also get some dope melodic stuff out of it. One thing I can say about it, ironically it made me dive deeper into my SP404MK2. I'm starting to feel like maybe it was "The One" all along lol.
Always in the groove ... sharp... crisp... loaded with valuable as well as instructive content .. cheers to your razor edged approach to making music ...
I’ve watched so many videos about these, and I always think they’re so cool, but the next thought is always “the SP-404 is way more capable and only a little bit more expensive” if, admittedly, not nearly as charming.
@@LiamKillen I mean, I think oddly the actual purpose of music being to *have fun* gets a bit obscured sometimes, and if the EP-133 just being a nicer thing makes the experience more enjoyable, well, it's done its job. As I say, the SP-404 has a lot more bells and whistles but it is a rather unromantic box. I never shame anyone for buying music equipment just because they think it's cool, because yeah, ultimately we do just do this for the aesthetic pleasure of the exercise, so of course it's going to be part of it.
Hey you seem like the most honest knowledgable RUclipsr for the question. Im getting my first piece of electric gear and im stuck between Op z, sp 404mk2, and the KO II. Im not Trying to go full dawless just yet, because i have a friend that does all the mixing and daw related stuff, i just want a machine for making foundation for beats, but also can do performance or just jam style practice. I feel like the KO 2 is a meet in the middle situation between the two units. And imo the sp seems way more geared towards my hardcore projects with the dj mode, but i know if im trying to make more astral stuff i cant beat the opz at this price range.
One of the best workflow videos I've seen on the EP-133. Totally forgot you could automate fader parameters! How do you know when you've reached the automation limit though?
I don’t understand the last chapter about sampling the grooves ? Why don’t just sampling each groupe (A,B,C,D) separately to ableton and then arranging them there ? I’m really a beginner and just finished one of my first arrangements on the ko2 (not just drums, i made a complete 4 bar long loop with base drum chord and everything) and was thinking about how sampling it to a daw to make a complete song out of it with an intro outro mixing and everything so I was thinking of doing by groupe A,B,C and D am I planning it right tho ?
Yeah there's many different ways of doing it for sure - I just felt like for this particular workflow with the EP-133 stand alone, this approach was the most fluid.
KO works best as a drum machine. I just wish they would scrap the midi omni mode for incoming midi. It would integrate far better with my OXI one if so.
@@LiamKillen Even if the KO could recieve start/stop BUT nothing else (or at least that option)....Midi IN atm is just everything. ATM im just using the OXI with the Roland SH4D and its a dream pairing tbh..4 separate synths and percussion track all controlled by Oxi
After 9 bars the step sequencer can only enter whole notes? I was hoping to do a 16 bar pattern at least for my track using casio rz 1 samples steve poindexter style
I recently bought the original KO as my first piece of sampling gear and wondered whether you think this would be a good next step as opposed to the 404 or an MPC.
I’ve been thinking about deleting all melodic samples so that I can drop all the samples from mars drums in it . That way I can use it exclusively as a drum machine. Thoughts?
Excellent video, thank you. As fun as the EP-133 is, I simply can't trust it due to its forgetfulness. More fun to play with than to play unless they can resolve these issues.
@@LiamKillensuch a bummer, amazing features. The Korg Volca Sample still has a place with me due to this stability, even with far less features. In 2024 we should be able to have so much polyphony. Grrrr, and thank you again for sharing!
awesome video! im wondering if you could make a video of uses for the SP-404mkII in the same way, except with a TR-6S.. im not finding easy or uses that are worth it to incorporate my 404 into my set besides just for the FX.. i just need some bright ideas so im not squandering my 404. i got it to literally just play sourced audio samples from movies and such when i press a button, not even sequenced... if you had a video that showed some methods of using the 404 with the TR-6S, id DEFINITELY give it a thumb up... plus, i think 404 content is always gonna get clicks.. thanks, brother!
Toy? I hear many people call all the small portable T.E. devices "Toys" as well. Some more expensive than others. Also, if you don't mean "Toy" in a bad way, then you don't refer to it as a "Toy" ... that's how that works. I bought 12 of these EP133 KO2 just to flip them. I ended up keeping one.
Nice video, I will say on the subject of the ep-133 limitation and it being more of a "toy" that it seems like the product launch was rushed and it was released incomplete. I believe as a straight up upgrade of the po-33 (some would say a "mkII") it is still unable to do some of the things the tiny PO could (like recording performance fx?) and has a bunch of weird limitations that I believe will be fixed with future firmware updates like no resampling, no sample looping, no sample reversing, no way to turn a sample from stereo to mono, no way to lower quality of the sample (would make sense on an instrument with such limited memory) and not a satisfying "song mode"... It is still very fun and inspiring and in my opinion sounds VERY good in its own way. TE-Davis said the KO II is using a dual core CPU and they are not even using the second core just yet so I expect a bright future for this one :)
Yeah i agree with you on the updates!!
Get two like I did.. solves almost everything.
ive been thinking of adding a EQ pedal for so long, for multiple uses, like using it before going into a sampler to get a clear definition of what im sampling and use as an end of chain mastering pedal.. but ive never heard a demo of one used for that application. untill today that is.. great demo!
It SUCH a useful tool!
I'm using this at the office, no one knows it's a sampler ;p
Love your videos btw!
Sneaky sneaky!
Thx for watching!
that. is. amazing.
i wanna get a office desk job just to do this.
I agree it's good for drums. I also get some dope melodic stuff out of it. One thing I can say about it, ironically it made me dive deeper into my SP404MK2. I'm starting to feel like maybe it was "The One" all along lol.
Oh interesting! Yeah to me it’s really a one shot thing
Always in the groove ... sharp... crisp... loaded with valuable as well as instructive content .. cheers to your razor edged approach to making music ...
🍻
I’ve watched so many videos about these, and I always think they’re so cool, but the next thought is always “the SP-404 is way more capable and only a little bit more expensive” if, admittedly, not nearly as charming.
Yeah I know ... from a technical stand point there's just no comparison.
@@LiamKillen I mean, I think oddly the actual purpose of music being to *have fun* gets a bit obscured sometimes, and if the EP-133 just being a nicer thing makes the experience more enjoyable, well, it's done its job. As I say, the SP-404 has a lot more bells and whistles but it is a rather unromantic box.
I never shame anyone for buying music equipment just because they think it's cool, because yeah, ultimately we do just do this for the aesthetic pleasure of the exercise, so of course it's going to be part of it.
The SP 404 hás the same flow of sampling directly tô the pads?
I’ve owned the OG 404, SX and Mkii and none have been as much fun as this box. It really is inspirational. Its def worth trying out
Thanks for the video man. I hope you're doing well and feeling better.
Good days and bad days 😊 one day at a time. Thanks for you well wishes- I really appreciate it.
this is a very good drum machine. and when you push it outside that, I agree, it struggles. But, it was marketed as that.
Yeah it’s a one shot thing
Hey you seem like the most honest knowledgable RUclipsr for the question. Im getting my first piece of electric gear and im stuck between Op z, sp 404mk2, and the KO II. Im not Trying to go full dawless just yet, because i have a friend that does all the mixing and daw related stuff, i just want a machine for making foundation for beats, but also can do performance or just jam style practice. I feel like the KO 2 is a meet in the middle situation between the two units. And imo the sp seems way more geared towards my hardcore projects with the dj mode, but i know if im trying to make more astral stuff i cant beat the opz at this price range.
I would recommend the OP-Z for what you're mentioning! :-)
Love the pairing with pedal
Thx! 🍻
i almost got one but then i looked at the sp404 and it just made a lot more sense
Fair choice
One of the best workflow videos I've seen on the EP-133. Totally forgot you could automate fader parameters! How do you know when you've reached the automation limit though?
I can’t remember what the limit is but it’s kind of like the apps where you’ll just start hearing automation drop off at a certain point haha
The inability to add velocity values is a deal breaker for me
fair enough my guy
I don’t understand the last chapter about sampling the grooves ? Why don’t just sampling each groupe (A,B,C,D) separately to ableton and then arranging them there ? I’m really a beginner and just finished one of my first arrangements on the ko2 (not just drums, i made a complete 4 bar long loop with base drum chord and everything) and was thinking about how sampling it to a daw to make a complete song out of it with an intro outro mixing and everything so I was thinking of doing by groupe A,B,C and D am I planning it right tho ?
Yeah there's many different ways of doing it for sure - I just felt like for this particular workflow with the EP-133 stand alone, this approach was the most fluid.
KO works best as a drum machine. I just wish they would scrap the midi omni mode for incoming midi. It would integrate far better with my OXI one if so.
Fair point. I’m integrating the op1 with the Oxi one which has been super fun!
@@LiamKillen Even if the KO could recieve start/stop BUT nothing else (or at least that option)....Midi IN atm is just everything. ATM im just using the OXI with the Roland SH4D and its a dream pairing tbh..4 separate synths and percussion track all controlled by Oxi
Bro you are looking so good :) and your latest content is strong as hell!
My guy- thank you! Lots more to come!
Have you got a video on how to connect them together? The ep-133 and digitakt
You need the correct 8th to midi adaptor and you should be good to go. A discussion to bring to the discord for sure though: discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
After 9 bars the step sequencer can only enter whole notes? I was hoping to do a 16 bar pattern at least for my track using casio rz 1 samples steve poindexter style
hmm i think my DIscord would be the most knowledgable resource for this question: discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
I just use mine for claps one shots and weird samples I’ve made a couple full tunes on it but then it never sounds good with anything else
Yeah and with longer samples it’s super limited
Hey, just discovered your channel, and really enjoy it! What is your opinion on the Yamaha Seqtrak? Ive been looking for something on the go!
It’s a cool unit for sure! It seems to give you everything you need, but I haven’t spent too too much time with it so I can’t speak too much on it.
I recently bought the original KO as my first piece of sampling gear and wondered whether you think this would be a good next step as opposed to the 404 or an MPC.
The 404 / MPC are DEF a few steps beyond the ep 133! It’s still a good sampler though!
I’ve been thinking about deleting all melodic samples so that I can drop all the samples from mars drums in it . That way I can use it exclusively as a drum machine. Thoughts?
I think that's a great idea - you should do it.
I like the way aughh for you count in 😊
hehe - thanks.
Excellent video, thank you. As fun as the EP-133 is, I simply can't trust it due to its forgetfulness. More fun to play with than to play unless they can resolve these issues.
Yeah that’s what puts it in the toy category IMO
@@LiamKillensuch a bummer, amazing features. The Korg Volca Sample still has a place with me due to this stability, even with far less features. In 2024 we should be able to have so much polyphony. Grrrr, and thank you again for sharing!
awesome video! im wondering if you could make a video of uses for the SP-404mkII in the same way, except with a TR-6S.. im not finding easy or uses that are worth it to incorporate my 404 into my set besides just for the FX.. i just need some bright ideas so im not squandering my 404. i got it to literally just play sourced audio samples from movies and such when i press a button, not even sequenced... if you had a video that showed some methods of using the 404 with the TR-6S, id DEFINITELY give it a thumb up... plus, i think 404 content is always gonna get clicks.. thanks, brother!
Something to consider! Thank you for watching :-)
The volume of the drums on your video is so low for low frequencies. I’m watching this with beats headphones, which usually have good low end.
Yeah it took me a bit to mix it up
Nice video man. But the attack automation on the open hat destroyed the whole groove. Respect the open hat.
I like the hi hat automation! 😢
Nice video man!
Hey thanks! 😊
My farts are one shots. Sometime legato tho……🤔
😂😂
Fart Melodies are just way too funny
😊
I love to add some lfo modulating the pitch
straight to ebay
my guy lol
@@LiamKillen i keed i keed i love mine
Check it oot ❤❤❤❤❤❤
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bro, digitakt no more
I heard that was a mistake and that it’s actually still available? I dunno anymore lol
plot twist, those were old stock… still discontinued and speculation alive and well
Toy? I hear many people call all the small portable T.E. devices "Toys" as well. Some more expensive than others. Also, if you don't mean "Toy" in a bad way, then you don't refer to it as a "Toy" ... that's how that works. I bought 12 of these EP133 KO2 just to flip them. I ended up keeping one.
Agree to disagree on the language part.
Nice hustle though.
This comment right here officer
Please don't make that face again. Still liked the video. Cheers!
The “hello” face? Lol