"I want to warn everyone in the press and all the voters out there. If you demand expressions of religious faith from politicians, you are just begging to be lied to. They won't all lie to you.. but a lot of them will.. and it'll be the easiest lie they ever had to tell to get your votes." feels relevant.
Coming from the party that supports the man who literally did not put his hand on the Bible, when he was taking the Oath of Office. It says a lot. Some good. Some bad. It's all up to you the voter to determine what that message is. Good luck.
Amazing how MAGA said Trump had his mother's Bible on Inauguration Day, but I don't recall him putting his hand on it while he recited the Oath Of Office.
I like how it’s not so much the president talking as two old statesman just sitting down and enjoying each others company with mutual respect. He doesn’t address him as sir or Mr president at all during the exchange. The moment is more than that between two masterminds
It's also two people repeatedly dipping each their salivated spoons into who knows how many canisters of ice cream. Seriously, gentlemen; ever heard of bowls and a serving spoon? 😂
I love this exchange between them. They are on opposite sides of the aisle and they are human enough to have a civil conversation and be honest enough in their responses. Especially as Vinick didn't seem to care that Bartlett had MS, at least privately.
@@karenharper4318essentially a Republican who refuses to follow the party line on every single issue, even if overall they’re a vocal conservative. See Liz Cheney, a vocal, long standing conservative and the daughter of an ultra conservative vice president, who refused to fully endorse Trump
@@Strathclydegamer Fun fact: If you watch that entire scene play out (you can find the unedited tape but it's been pulled from YT), at first he's carrying a hymnal, not a bible. Somebody handed him the correct prop just before his little speech. Continuity error, lol!
When POTUS says “pray for the strength to get through the day”, you kind of get the idea that Vinnick, at that point, thinks to himself “man, do I even really want this job that much?”
Me too! I'm currently sitting in my study, watching TWW clips and eating a banana split! I think by now we've all been programmed to eat during eating scenes in our favorite shows!
I love this scene but all throughout I couldn't get it out of my head that they're just contaminating the entire batch by eating it straight out of the tub. He's the President so I hope it's a personal stash or something.
If I was the chef running that commercial kitchen I would be so monumentally pissed off that two guys had wandered in there at night and rendered several gigantic catering-size tubs of ice cream unusable by dipping their spoons in for a few bites. I love TWW but that's what I always think for this scene.
actually there was a multi page write up in people magazine about FDR's health. It's a misconception that the media kept quiet about it, they just never called attention to it after it was initially published.
So, they were okay with calling FDR a socialist but not a boozy, chain-smoking polio cripple who might die while in office? The Great Depression must have been pretty bad to take a chance on a guy like that. But he stepped up (no pun intended), and the rest is history.
I know this was TV, but years ago no matter what each party member said publicly their older staff (not the young interns, but the old hands you had been there thru various members) would hash out a deal based on the outcomes that really mattered to both sides, let their boss know and then both sides would do some PR speech claiming a win. Now all the old hands have been kicked out in favor of passion and no one wants to have a civil discourse even thru the party member does not believe what they are even saying in a speech. Its all about scoring "points" while the world burns.
Give us a Presidential candidate with a quarter of the intelligence and fortitude that Vinnick showed us and you'll have the fastest elected person in history.
It always annoyed me on some level that Vinick asserts with no pushback that the public "knew nothing" about FDR's health. FDR's health was a huge sticking point for lots of voters when he ran for governor of New York and again for the Presidency. It was an open issue and one that he and his people worked very hard to win. And Vinick would definitely know this.
This would have been a good time for Senator Vinick to tell the President that, had he disclosed his MS during the primary, Hoynes would have been the Democratic Party candidate, and likely President. Very convenient for President Bartlet to call his failure to disclose “a mistake”.
That was the plan. Run to bring up several issues that were being ignored, but there was no way that he could have actually won. Then Hoynes and the third Democrat did a something to move them back in the standings, and Bartlet rocketed to front running Democrat, just in time for the party Convention.
IIRC he was supposed to, before John Spenser died. The season ending was changed bc they felt like Santos losing the election *and* Leo McGarry was too much of a downer note to leave the show on.
Ah, c'mon. Don't tell me that in all of your life, you never once just stood in front of the freezer at 2 a.m., ice cream bucket in hand, and just said to yourself, "Nah, it'd just be another bowl to wash and besides, it's MY ice cream!" But of course I FULLY understand contemplating Old Testament vengeance on the kids for doing the same, lol!! ;-)
@@conniedoucette2456 Then let me be the first to applaud your commitment to unsullied ice cream and your amazing self-control! I would be proud to hold a conversation over ice cream any time! Cheers!
Correct. A politician running for office doesn’t need to pass a religious test to run for office. That said, the USC doesn’t dictate how a voter should vote. Voters can vote however they feel for whatever reason they feel.
@@tc2882 The West Wing kitchen feeds hundreds of people a day. They probably go thru that much daily. Especially if they run out of pie during the month before the State of The Union speech.
Is it just me or does this feel like a "copy" of Jurassic Park where Hammond and Sattler are eating all that ice cream that is melting while dinosaurs are roaming free? This is two men eating ice cream while the people and journalists are roaming free to cause chaos!
2:29 slavery was not racial until the Americas. During the time of the Bible was reportedly written, slavery was for conquered cultures, regardless of race.
True - this is something I didn't learn until I was grown, and something too many people still don't understand about how it's a peculiarly evil version we had.
@@the_archmaester It does not- The Theological acuracy in the West Wing is atrocious- the dems win the arguments only because it is a script. I love the show but it is no more realistic about the West Wing than Hogan's Heroes was about prisoners of war in WW2.
I think its bad that religion seems to be a requirement these days for higher office, people seem to think that being religious instantly equates to good person and it really doesnt, some of the most horrible people are religious, especially when they are overly religious. The biggest issue is that having religion in politics means most of our laws have a religious intent which essentially removes the barrier between church and state.
I first saw Don Davis as Major Briggs in Twin Peaks. I was a teen at the time so I liked him less when his main role was being the authoritarian father of Bobby Briggs, but as an actor he made it really hard not to notice the character and appreciate his work (even as a kid) as his role on the show expanded. Loved him in everything he popped up in since then.
@@djshotty I have, though not since it was on air. In fact, might be time to give the entire SG lineup a revisit. I'm overdue. Thanks for the reminder.
@@hankrearden20 A bit older than that...the establishment clause is the basis for many court decisions...their "old words" remain relevant today.in the 21st century.
The establishment clause of the Constitution bans the government from creating a federal religion. The Bill of Rights guarantees freedom of religion for citizens. Seem through a historical lens these protections were established due to many colonists historically coming to America to flee state sponsored religious persecution. Further the King of England was also the head of the Church of England, the “official” religion of England at the time. The founders saw many conflicts in their past & present day arise from government being to intertwined with any one religion and wanted to avoid it. So while the phrase “separation of church and state” isn’t directly in the Constitution, the idea that religion & government shouldn’t be intertwined is there.
So are they just gonna...leave those contaminated buckets in there knowing damn well only they're gonna be allowed to TOUCH those things for the remainder of their respective terms? Cause eating half a dozen tubs of ice cream with the same spoons straight out of the buckets make my stomach weep and not being allowed-
Damn it's hard to watch Arnold Vinnick these days isn't it? A Republican who isn't a moustache-twirling sociopathic narcissist feels like the most cruel of fictions.
The naive nature so many of these comments, pining for a time wherein Politics was like this, not realizing that it was never like this. That politics has always been politics, and that this was nothing more than idealized work of fiction. If you honestly think that this is how politics worked in the past, then I have some oceanfront property in Montana that I'd like to sell you.
Seemed perfectly logical to me. He couldn't believe in a God that wanted horrible things to happen to people. I gave up being a Christian because I couldn't be part of a faith that's based on human sacrifice. I still believe in God, but my God doesn't need to kill someone to save my soul and prove He loves me. Nor would He harm anyone.
I don't know if you're aware, but... Adam and Eve weren't real, and snakes don't talk. God could save us all the trouble if he had put a fence around a tree with a sign. "Don't Eat, Will Cause Cancer In Babies."
Somebody remind me: who was it that came up with the whole "the wages of sin is death" thing? No, no, not Eve. Nope, not Adam, either. I know we'll think of it soon 🤔
"I want to warn everyone in the press and all the voters out there. If you demand expressions of religious faith from politicians, you are just begging to be lied to. They won't all lie to you.. but a lot of them will.. and it'll be the easiest lie they ever had to tell to get your votes."
feels relevant.
Very relevant.
Always relevant
@@ScorpiusZA.But even more with some candidates than others
Coming from the party that supports the man who literally did not put his hand on the Bible, when he was taking the Oath of Office.
It says a lot. Some good. Some bad. It's all up to you the voter to determine what that message is. Good luck.
Amazing how MAGA said Trump had his mother's Bible on Inauguration Day, but I don't recall him putting his hand on it while he recited the Oath Of Office.
Martin Sheen + Alan Alda = Gold
Re-watching WEST WING for comfort. Beautiful writing, wonderful spot on acting, inspirational aspersions for a better world.
The West Wing is going to be "comfort food" for me for the next long while.
I like how it’s not so much the president talking as two old statesman just sitting down and enjoying each others company with mutual respect. He doesn’t address him as sir or Mr president at all during the exchange. The moment is more than that between two masterminds
It's also two people repeatedly dipping each their salivated spoons into who knows how many canisters of ice cream. Seriously, gentlemen; ever heard of bowls and a serving spoon? 😂
I love this exchange between them. They are on opposite sides of the aisle and they are human enough to have a civil conversation and be honest enough in their responses. Especially as Vinick didn't seem to care that Bartlett had MS, at least privately.
Vinick was one of the better smaller role characters on this show and Alda did a great job. I loved every scene he was in.
You can't cast Alan Alda and expect the character to stay small.
Actually he was supposedly going to win .. seasons 5678 were a republican pres. but renewal risked it .. its in the notes on the video box
Thanks for putting these clips on RUclips. I have very fond memories of these.
One of the best ... good matching of acting talent. Brilliant writing.
This show is so great. It is still relevant today. Love these clips.
Civil and honest discussions. Mutual respect. Both stood their ground but were open to discussion.
What BRILLIANT writing
One of the best scenes in the show
I wish we had Republicans like Arnie Vinick.
Martin Sheen and Alan Alda were so good in these roles! Tremendous actors!
Today Vinick would be called a RINO.
Today he would have never been voted a senator.
And what Is a RINO?
Republican in name only (RINO).
@@karenharper4318essentially a Republican who refuses to follow the party line on every single issue, even if overall they’re a vocal conservative. See Liz Cheney, a vocal, long standing conservative and the daughter of an ultra conservative vice president, who refused to fully endorse Trump
He'd run as an independent I'd wager. We could use a few more of those.
Two great men having a discussion over ice-cream. You can't get better than that.
Hey Donald what is your favourite bible passage?
Oh I have so many I couldn’t pick just one.
Hey now, that’s because the Bible is a personal thing.
@@jjbowe It's because he's never read a page of it in his life. It's nothing more than a prop to him.
@@tc2882 not even that it seems this week. not a prop when he doesnt touch it
@@tc2882Remember him holding one upside down after having a public space cleared of peaceful protesters?
@@Strathclydegamer Fun fact: If you watch that entire scene play out (you can find the unedited tape but it's been pulled from YT), at first he's carrying a hymnal, not a bible. Somebody handed him the correct prop just before his little speech. Continuity error, lol!
When POTUS says “pray for the strength to get through the day”, you kind of get the idea that Vinnick, at that point, thinks to himself “man, do I even really want this job that much?”
I liked we got to see one-on-one scenes between Bartlett(Martin Sheen) and Vinick(Alan Alda).
Well, THAT was timely.
I'm just here for the ice cream.
Me too! I'm currently sitting in my study, watching TWW clips and eating a banana split! I think by now we've all been programmed to eat during eating scenes in our favorite shows!
I love this scene but all throughout I couldn't get it out of my head that they're just contaminating the entire batch by eating it straight out of the tub. He's the President so I hope it's a personal stash or something.
@@Sigillimus IIRC correctly the freezer had broken down and it was going to melt and get tossed anyway
Might not believe in Vinick's policies but i can respect the man. If more politians where like him wed be better off
That last line was...sum magic 8 ball answer.
Lovely scene.
The scene was so Master Class in acting.
If I was the chef running that commercial kitchen I would be so monumentally pissed off that two guys had wandered in there at night and rendered several gigantic catering-size tubs of ice cream unusable by dipping their spoons in for a few bites. I love TWW but that's what I always think for this scene.
I was thinking the same thing! Now they have to throw out the ice cream. What a waste. Lol
@@eriwendikhaila Least of political concerns. Add 5k to the budget so the chef can replace it. 😅
actually there was a multi page write up in people magazine about FDR's health. It's a misconception that the media kept quiet about it, they just never called attention to it after it was initially published.
So, they were okay with calling FDR a socialist but not a boozy, chain-smoking polio cripple who might die while in office? The Great Depression must have been pretty bad to take a chance on a guy like that. But he stepped up (no pun intended), and the rest is history.
Oh to have candidates like these to chose from...
Alan Alda great actor...
I know this was TV, but years ago no matter what each party member said publicly their older staff (not the young interns, but the old hands you had been there thru various members) would hash out a deal based on the outcomes that really mattered to both sides, let their boss know and then both sides would do some PR speech claiming a win. Now all the old hands have been kicked out in favor of passion and no one wants to have a civil discourse even thru the party member does not believe what they are even saying in a speech. Its all about scoring "points" while the world burns.
Give us a Presidential candidate with a quarter of the intelligence and fortitude that Vinnick showed us and you'll have the fastest elected person in history.
We’re 50 years behind the times from when this was made. How the hell did we let ourselves slide bask so far?
Remember when democrats and republicans could sit down and have a discussion about politics.
It always annoyed me on some level that Vinick asserts with no pushback that the public "knew nothing" about FDR's health.
FDR's health was a huge sticking point for lots of voters when he ran for governor of New York and again for the Presidency. It was an open issue and one that he and his people worked very hard to win. And Vinick would definitely know this.
So...when can we get Vinick as pres?
This wouldn’t happen during the muppet show that happened in the last election
This would have been a good time for Senator Vinick to tell the President that, had he disclosed his MS during the primary, Hoynes would have been the Democratic Party candidate, and likely President. Very convenient for President Bartlet to call his failure to disclose “a mistake”.
That was the plan. Run to bring up several issues that were being ignored, but there was no way that he could have actually won. Then Hoynes and the third Democrat did a something to move them back in the standings, and Bartlet rocketed to front running Democrat, just in time for the party Convention.
They left out Bartlet saying "the hardest part of this job is knowing this is down here".
Probably one of my favorite scenes of the show. He should have won the election.
IIRC he was supposed to, before John Spenser died.
The season ending was changed bc they felt like Santos losing the election *and* Leo McGarry was too much of a downer note to leave the show on.
Only in Hollywood is it considered a downer for a super smart, qualified Republican to win.
@ not only, no. But what does it matter? Republicans got rid of all their super smart, qualified members years ago.
As a mom, watching them put their dirty spoons into those ice cream buckets just makes me shudder.
Ah, c'mon. Don't tell me that in all of your life, you never once just stood in front of the freezer at 2 a.m., ice cream bucket in hand, and just said to yourself, "Nah, it'd just be another bowl to wash and besides, it's MY ice cream!" But of course I FULLY understand contemplating Old Testament vengeance on the kids for doing the same, lol!! ;-)
No, I can honestly say that I have never put a dirty spoon that's been in my mouth back in the ice cream bucket. That's disgusting. 1:27
@@conniedoucette2456 Then let me be the first to applaud your commitment to unsullied ice cream and your amazing self-control! I would be proud to hold a conversation over ice cream any time! Cheers!
Article 6 (3), USC states that there will be no religious test for pubic trust or office.
Except, until very recently, good luck getting elected unless you professed to be a christian (or in a few places like parts of Brooklyn, a jew).
At least the typo didn't go fully into "pubic thrust". That would have been a Freudian somersault😅
did you watch the clip?
Ask a 1500s Aztec what his religion wants from us.
Correct. A politician running for office doesn’t need to pass a religious test to run for office. That said, the USC doesn’t dictate how a voter should vote. Voters can vote however they feel for whatever reason they feel.
Donald Trump after watching this Episode: I've got a great idea!
honestly, I would want Ice cream in that White House. Not the current one tho.
Only flavour in the new White House is Pralines & Dick.
I would expect the White House to have a higher grade of ice cream than 5 gallon institutional buckets.
Yeah, diet coke flavored ice cream should be considered felony #94....
@@tc2882 The West Wing kitchen feeds hundreds of people a day. They probably go thru that much daily. Especially if they run out of pie during the month before the State of The Union speech.
Is it just me or does this feel like a "copy" of Jurassic Park where Hammond and Sattler are eating all that ice cream that is melting while dinosaurs are roaming free?
This is two men eating ice cream while the people and journalists are roaming free to cause chaos!
2:29 slavery was not racial until the Americas. During the time of the Bible was reportedly written, slavery was for conquered cultures, regardless of race.
True - this is something I didn't learn until I was grown, and something too many people still don't understand about how it's a peculiarly evil version we had.
Race or not, the bible didn't have to say it's OK to take sex slaves from the people you conquered
@@the_archmaester And, that was a pert of Vinnicks complaint, that the Bible considered it acceptable.
@@the_archmaester It does not- The Theological acuracy in the West Wing is atrocious- the dems win the arguments only because it is a script. I love the show but it is no more realistic about the West Wing than Hogan's Heroes was about prisoners of war in WW2.
I think its bad that religion seems to be a requirement these days for higher office, people seem to think that being religious instantly equates to good person and it really doesnt, some of the most horrible people are religious, especially when they are overly religious. The biggest issue is that having religion in politics means most of our laws have a religious intent which essentially removes the barrier between church and state.
The eternally brilliant Donald Sinclair Davis as Reverend Butler. May he Rest In Peace.
I first saw Don Davis as Major Briggs in Twin Peaks. I was a teen at the time so I liked him less when his main role was being the authoritarian father of Bobby Briggs, but as an actor he made it really hard not to notice the character and appreciate his work (even as a kid) as his role on the show expanded.
Loved him in everything he popped up in since then.
@@jeffkoenig7402 If you're a sci-fi fan, you need to see him as Major General George Hammond in the series Stargate: SG1.
@@djshotty I have, though not since it was on air. In fact, might be time to give the entire SG lineup a revisit. I'm overdue. Thanks for the reminder.
Got news Jeb, the Constitution says nothing about the separation of church & state.
I think it's a little disingenuous to view the Constitution through a strictly 21st century perspective.
@@hankrearden20 A bit older than that...the establishment clause is the basis for many court decisions...their "old words" remain relevant today.in the 21st century.
The establishment clause of the Constitution bans the government from creating a federal religion. The Bill of Rights guarantees freedom of religion for citizens. Seem through a historical lens these protections were established due to many colonists historically coming to America to flee state sponsored religious persecution.
Further the King of England was also the head of the Church of England, the “official” religion of England at the time. The founders saw many conflicts in their past & present day arise from government being to intertwined with any one religion and wanted to avoid it. So while the phrase “separation of church and state” isn’t directly in the Constitution, the idea that religion & government shouldn’t be intertwined is there.
@@hankrearden20 I think it's perfectly fine to view it through a 21st century perspective because *we don't live in the goddamn 1700s anymore.*
@@UltimaKeyMasterWe need a constitutional convention, reassess that and the Bill of Rights, clearly.
So are they just gonna...leave those contaminated buckets in there knowing damn well only they're gonna be allowed to TOUCH those things for the remainder of their respective terms? Cause eating half a dozen tubs of ice cream with the same spoons straight out of the buckets make my stomach weep and not being allowed-
Would it kill them to use bowls?
🍦 🍨 🍦 🍨
Consider it a perk
Yeah, I wouldn’t want to eat from a bucket of ice cream that had already been plowed by two fellow ice cream lovers.
@@nemomonteflores3890 The freezers were broken and all the ice cream was melting away
I know! They are sticking the spoons in their mouths then back in the ice cream. Yuck!
I still think Vinnick won the Debate vs. Santos 🤷♂️
Same spoons for all the ice cream. Contamination and cross contamination anyone? EWWWW! 🤮
Damn it's hard to watch Arnold Vinnick these days isn't it? A Republican who isn't a moustache-twirling sociopathic narcissist feels like the most cruel of fictions.
Every time religion comes up in this show it’s just Reddit-tier fedoratheism
Amazing how the show was both preachy and anti-religion at the same time. Rewatching it, the bias is so obvious it’s laughable.
These videos are great, but the titles are unbelievably dumb.
The naive nature so many of these comments, pining for a time wherein Politics was like this, not realizing that it was never like this. That politics has always been politics, and that this was nothing more than idealized work of fiction. If you honestly think that this is how politics worked in the past, then I have some oceanfront property in Montana that I'd like to sell you.
Yeash - people who believe themselves to be so intelligent ... please don't discuss things for which you lack understanding.
"Why'd you stop (going to church)?"
*proceeds to tell the most absurd and asinine story ever composed as a reason to give up one's faith*
Who are you to call somebody reason to be not be religious anymore asinine.
Seemed perfectly logical to me. He couldn't believe in a God that wanted horrible things to happen to people. I gave up being a Christian because I couldn't be part of a faith that's based on human sacrifice. I still believe in God, but my God doesn't need to kill someone to save my soul and prove He loves me. Nor would He harm anyone.
Reading the bible, openly and honestly, creates more atheists than christians.
So you think that everything God did in the Old Testament is ok? And something to aspire to? If so.....seek help.
Found the guy that wants to bring back slavery and death penalty for adultery
Vinick is clueless about Christianity. Man fell from grace by disobeying God’s law in Eden. That’s the source of all the evil in the world, not God.
Vinick is wiser on christianity than you could ever hope to be.
idiot.
I don't know if you're aware, but... Adam and Eve weren't real, and snakes don't talk.
God could save us all the trouble if he had put a fence around a tree with a sign. "Don't Eat, Will Cause Cancer In Babies."
Somebody remind me: who was it that came up with the whole "the wages of sin is death" thing? No, no, not Eve. Nope, not Adam, either. I know we'll think of it soon 🤔
sin is a relative term, depending on who you talk to.
The text in a book matters not only the heart of the reader. 🥹🫡❤️