Game of Thrones: War of the Five Kings & Battle of Oxcross 299 AC

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  • @edwardokaa
    @edwardokaa 4 года назад +5179

    I have big hopes for this Robb guy. What a tactician. Tywin doesn't stand a chance.

    • @cardaroy3556
      @cardaroy3556 4 года назад +353

      Uhhh..

    • @quinten9953
      @quinten9953 4 года назад +981

      The Lannisters send their regards

    • @ephraimboateng5239
      @ephraimboateng5239 4 года назад +189

      Lol should we tell him😏

    • @edwardokaa
      @edwardokaa 4 года назад +339

      @@ephraimboateng5239 Tell me what? I hope nothing bad happens to DA KING IN DA NORF!
      (srsly tho i know what happens...)

    • @edwardokaa
      @edwardokaa 4 года назад +37

      @@user-yi4de4tb4i Username checks out!

  • @ToddTheTolerable
    @ToddTheTolerable 4 года назад +3137

    You should cover the Battle of Winterfell so I can count the number of times you say "for some reason," during it.

    • @thorodinson5062
      @thorodinson5062 4 года назад +107

      Shuld i laugh or cry...😔

    • @jamesxm4240
      @jamesxm4240 4 года назад +31

      THOR odinson. Laugh , Joke of an episode

    • @ciroeverton9022
      @ciroeverton9022 4 года назад +13

      Best comment

    • @Derna1804
      @Derna1804 4 года назад +78

      "For some reason, the humans realized that the White Walkers could probably maintain a siege for 500 years if they wanted to, and chose to bait them into an assault. For some reason, this was never explained to the audience."

    • @hiddendagger7291
      @hiddendagger7291 4 года назад +5

      same with battle of ice

  • @jesusmurillo2014
    @jesusmurillo2014 4 года назад +3801

    "3 victories don't make you a conqueror" - Jaime Lannister
    "Its better than 3 defeats." - THE FOOKIN KING IN DA NOOORF

    • @QT5656
      @QT5656 4 года назад +216

      Peak Rob.

    • @christopheriodice8611
      @christopheriodice8611 4 года назад +73

      It’s better then 3 defeats - Robb Stark

    • @zurgesmiecal
      @zurgesmiecal 4 года назад +75

      "it's better loosing one arm than one head" - Jaime L.
      "----------------" - guy with wulf head formerly known as King N.

    • @theodorberg8473
      @theodorberg8473 4 года назад +11

      Kinda cringe bro

    • @chrisoniceskates
      @chrisoniceskates 4 года назад +53

      Thought I smelled a Frey in the comments

  • @thirdworlder5989
    @thirdworlder5989 4 года назад +1366

    Ser Bryden Tully is the most underrated commander in westeros. The idea to lure jaime to lure into a trap it was his, because he knew jaime was reckless. And the plan to make tywin go to the west was also his.

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 4 года назад +148

      I bet three quarters of the ideas of Robb are Brynden's ones XD
      The Lannisters thought they fought a young impulsive 16 years old boy, while in fact they fought a seasoned fifty years old man ^^

    • @henryhenriquez8526
      @henryhenriquez8526 4 года назад +38

      Yep, if Blackfish have been commander entirely of Stark/Tully army instead Robb/Edmure, they would win the war.

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 4 года назад +83

      @@henryhenriquez8526 He could not be at two places at the same time ^^
      And Robb seems to follow his advices, so he's not to blame for disasters. The only problem in battles were the mills one and... Yeah, Edmure is to blame, but Brynden and Robb too, if they had tell him WHY he have to stay put in Riverrun, he would never think to fight Tywin outside of Riverrun ^^'

    • @jhondahl3111
      @jhondahl3111 4 года назад

      do you mean the blackfish?

    • @doctorpygmy6020
      @doctorpygmy6020 3 года назад

      @@jhondahl3111 Yes

  • @TheSonOfDumb
    @TheSonOfDumb 4 года назад +2831

    Robb was such a masterful tactician. If only he was a better diplomat!

    • @gerardjagroo
      @gerardjagroo 4 года назад +463

      He did send his mother to Renly with whom she struck a successful alliance which would have finished the Lanisters. Unfortunately, they couldn't predict that Stannis would send a shadow to kill Renly.

    • @JimBz84
      @JimBz84 4 года назад +41

      Theon Greyjoy...

    • @danny90099
      @danny90099 4 года назад +55

      He also send Theon back to his father and let them take the north in front of his nose.fucking dumbass who give away hostage

    • @gerardjagroo
      @gerardjagroo 4 года назад +133

      @@danny90099 Catelyn, whatever her flaws did warn him against this.

    • @Saeronor
      @Saeronor 4 года назад +55

      Too bad Northmen lacked anyone else they would follow as a king/queen. Imagine Robb doing the one ly thing he was really good at (leading an army), while someone with much higher Diplo stat makes strategic decisions. Hell, he should've been smart enough to name a Hand just for that.

  • @Societyman123
    @Societyman123 4 года назад +341

    You know they messed up when the battle of oxcross is more interesting than the final battle against the night king

    • @mohammadahmad9258
      @mohammadahmad9258 3 года назад +8

      exactly

    • @MajorMlgNoob
      @MajorMlgNoob Год назад +10

      Well the writer didn't write the Battle of Winterfell, the Showrunners did

    • @tylerd8245
      @tylerd8245 Год назад

      @@MajorMlgNoob Oh weallyyyyy? We didn't know that!

  • @tylose875
    @tylose875 4 года назад +1155

    Fun Fact: There have never been five kings at any point during the War of the Five Kings, since Renly Baratheon died before Balon Greyjoy crowned himself.

    • @antoninvodvarka4921
      @antoninvodvarka4921 4 года назад +90

      What about the king beyond the Wall?

    • @crimsonfuse2727
      @crimsonfuse2727 4 года назад +145

      Antonín Vodvárka I think north of the wall is considered separate from the rest of Westeros. Even then mance didn’t participate in the war

    • @phrophetsamgames
      @phrophetsamgames 4 года назад +121

      Yeah but it takes time for Renly's death to spread which is why the smallfolk take to calling it the War of the Five Kings. They believe Renly is still alive and they just recently heard of Balon's crowning.

    • @saqlainalvi5485
      @saqlainalvi5485 4 года назад +6

      @Alex your rigour sir is legendary

    • @billqiu4692
      @billqiu4692 3 года назад +49

      @@phrophetsamgames In the books the common folk believe that Renly's ghost rose and fought at the blackwater, so there's that to take in too.

  • @mgkpraesi
    @mgkpraesi 4 года назад +330

    This Map shows even better how ridiculous the Teleporting starting with Season 6 became.

    • @ericgrimes341
      @ericgrimes341 Год назад +22

      It’s kinda lost during the show, but Jaime was actually a captive in Robb’s camp for over two years. At least in the show, Jamie seems so diminished after captivity.

    • @iceace4277
      @iceace4277 Год назад +12

      @@ericgrimes341 What, seriously? I thought he was only a captive for a few months.

    • @iDeathMaximuMII
      @iDeathMaximuMII 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@iceace4277In Season 3 he mentioned to Brienne that he was held captive for over a year

  • @MrUND3RSC0R3
    @MrUND3RSC0R3 4 года назад +1566

    Bold strategy posting something game of thrones

    • @The_Sigillite
      @The_Sigillite 4 года назад +228

      Fallout Fjorn This is still early season stuff, about as safe as you can get for the moment. Plus, he's using book info to flesh it out and that will always win you points in this fandom.

    • @Harshhaze
      @Harshhaze 4 года назад +152

      @@The_Sigillite agreed. Funny how content creators on RUclips do a better job of bringing life GRRM's work than Dumb and Dumber

    • @AdamsYoutubeAccount
      @AdamsYoutubeAccount 4 года назад +9

      They go based off the books I think

    • @vicentgalvan70
      @vicentgalvan70 4 года назад +16

      Dumb and Dumber,Ahhahahahahahahahahaha

    • @jjmbeausoleil
      @jjmbeausoleil 4 года назад +3

      Bold indeed. But we will take any baz over no baz

  • @thebigsad9463
    @thebigsad9463 4 года назад +2457

    No one:
    Bazbattles: I'll post a game of thrones video a month after the series ended just to rub salt into your fresh wounds

    • @thekingofgoons
      @thekingofgoons 4 года назад +75

      How could they do something so controversial yet so brave

    • @WQuantrill
      @WQuantrill 4 года назад +43

      Shut up, idiot. I’ve been waiting for this one!

    • @AdamOfEverywhere
      @AdamOfEverywhere 4 года назад +49

      ASOIAF is eternal

    • @papageitaucher618
      @papageitaucher618 4 года назад +3

      @@AdamOfEverywhere eternally spoiled

    • @lucasribes2253
      @lucasribes2253 4 года назад +41

      well, actually this video is based on the books so...

  • @AlucardDracula1000
    @AlucardDracula1000 4 года назад +980

    It was a brilliant move, cut off the supply chain. Starve tywin of fresh troops, fresh steel, and fresh food. Most importantly cut off lanister gold, if only Robb had committed to the long strategy rather than a short one.

    • @seankirby8892
      @seankirby8892 4 года назад +170

      Well it was edmures fault because tywin was going to defend his land except at the stone mill edmure pushed him back and robb was going to bring tywin to Lannis port then because the starks where mounted he was going to get around him and trap him in the west. But because edmure didnt know this and stopped the crossing giving time for word of Stannis attack on kings landing to reach him so he turned his army around. So of edmure didnt stop the crossing Stannis would have taken kings landing and robb would have trapped tywin in the west.

    • @bmomgrimm6242
      @bmomgrimm6242 4 года назад +137

      @@seankirby8892yeah but since he didn't explain it to edmure he is partly to blame.

    • @youtoob4life
      @youtoob4life 4 года назад +125

      @UCyWP_ou-tng-WqHPRmnddvQ To be fair, Edmure was most likely ordered to remain and defend Riverrun. His marching out on his own to claim his own victory and glory is perfectly in line with his character. Robb's failing was relying on a man that he had very little personal experience with.

    • @seankirby8892
      @seankirby8892 4 года назад +17

      @@bmomgrimm6242 that's true except he told him to hold riverrun not to go fight battles

    • @theZinator
      @theZinator 4 года назад +40

      Sean Kirby it was Robb’s fault for not informing Edmure of his plan to trap Tywin in the Westerlands. He should’ve anticipated that Edmure would fight Tywin if he came back through the Riverlands.

  • @matthewtang8930
    @matthewtang8930 4 года назад +82

    "He won the war on the battlefield and lost it in a bedchamber."

    • @9822703
      @9822703 4 года назад +6

      except he didn't it was in the great hall of a host's castle.

    • @cheesycheese23
      @cheesycheese23 4 года назад +2

      @@9822703 i think he's talking bout twyin

    • @starhunter9085
      @starhunter9085 3 года назад +4

      @@9822703 *He lost the war the day he married her.*

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 4 года назад +632

    I can't wait for you guys to cover Stannis battles in the North(book version of course)

    • @strikemasterice2004
      @strikemasterice2004 4 года назад +80

      Kings & Generals have covered the Battle of the Bastards, so now I want see the real Battle of Ice with Stannis going Alexander Nevsky on everyone asses.

    • @p-ball_from_SEA
      @p-ball_from_SEA 4 года назад +31

      @@strikemasterice2004 Hell yeah to that, the Night Lamp strategy is going to be awesome

    • @miguelmontenegro3520
      @miguelmontenegro3520 4 года назад +6

      @@strikemasterice2004 Hope in the end he will not die offscreen.

    • @drownedcactus5618
      @drownedcactus5618 4 года назад +20

      Weary Hoss Are you knees frozen fool? Bend the knee for King Stannis!

    • @murphyjack90
      @murphyjack90 4 года назад +8

      I hope they do cover the book version. The show battles have been shite.

  • @atzuras
    @atzuras 4 года назад +82

    Tywin's army tried to cross the river but Edmure's enthusiasm prevented him to enter the trap and thus managed to get to Blackwater's battle.

    • @dukeofasg3280
      @dukeofasg3280 4 года назад +10

      @LagiNaLangAko23 Yes, it would have been suspicious if Edmure let Tywin cross unimpeded, but stopping the Lannisters dead in their tracks was really bad fortune.

    • @Name-me5su
      @Name-me5su Год назад +1

      if you think about it if edmure didnt do that the House lannister would have dissapeared as a great house

    • @jonathanbradley4896
      @jonathanbradley4896 8 месяцев назад +2

      Wasn't Tywins army, it was just Gregor Clegane's troops.

  • @smithswoodrookie
    @smithswoodrookie 4 года назад +82

    Wish they’d have had the budget to show these battles on more detail on the show. Robb would have been even more respected than he was leading up to season 3

    • @ranica47
      @ranica47 4 года назад +20

      In the earlier seasons they didn't actually show that many of the battles in detail, just the aftermath out whatever because they had decent dialogue and scripts. Later seasons: big battles with crap dialogue, long, beautiful shots with NOTHING said and nonsensical tactics.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 4 года назад +5

      @@ranica47 Yeah, lets just march on a strong castle with only half the numbers and hope I won't ambushed or surrounded. Brilliant!

    • @leonpaelinck
      @leonpaelinck Год назад +1

      Rather a well written battle off-screen than what we got post season 4

  • @rurhmcwatch9410
    @rurhmcwatch9410 4 года назад +191

    A young man is sitting in his room playing video games when he gets a notification from RUclips. Bazbattles has uploaded a new video. He grabs his cheetos and reclines his chair and settles in.......... a new video from Bazbattles is about to begin.

  • @dankmeme1598
    @dankmeme1598 4 года назад +208

    This single video is a lot better than the entirety of Season 8. Thanks!

  • @NanoLT
    @NanoLT 4 года назад +135

    When the AI ignores your fort zone of control and stack wipes your drilling army.

    • @jamesoneil9132
      @jamesoneil9132 4 года назад +30

      When a rebel stack spawns on your low maintenance army

    • @dawn-blade
      @dawn-blade 4 года назад +1

      What is this a reference to, friend?

    • @jamesoneil9132
      @jamesoneil9132 4 года назад +18

      @@dawn-blade Europa Universalis 4

    • @EliAs-ub6yf
      @EliAs-ub6yf 4 года назад +2

      Fookin Ai Rebels. Spawning under my training units.

  • @adib3011
    @adib3011 4 года назад +28

    The moment Robb lost was when Edmure Tully decided to stop Tywin from passing into the Westlands. Robb had planned to destroy Tywin with an ambush and Stannis meanwhile would have crushed King's Landing.

    • @UnitedTheLegend
      @UnitedTheLegend 2 года назад +12

      He didn't want to destroy Tywin, he wanted to trap him; in fact Edmure's instructions was to retreat to the side and let Tywin pass, then snap the blockade of the Westerlands shut BEHIND Tywin, this would mean that if Tywin wanted to defend King's Landing from Stannis he would've had to face all of the Riverlords behind him, and Robb Stark in front of him in the Westerlands.
      It's not really an ambush, more like encirclement which would've been absolutely catastrophic (bear in mind, Tywin didn't actually know that Stafford's army was defeated at Oxcross, Tywin probably thought he could surround Robb Stark with one army to the West of him, and his army to the East; instead Stafford Lannister was dead and Robb and the Riverlords wanted to trap Tywin.
      He was very lucky that it was Edmure and not the Blackfish that was commanding the army in front of him.

    • @Wizard434
      @Wizard434 Год назад +6

      Nah. It was a strategic error sending Theon Turncloak. If he doesn't send him away he keeps his hostage and keeps Winterfell and keeps Jaime as prisoner. That single decision cost him everything.

    • @UnitedTheLegend
      @UnitedTheLegend Год назад +6

      @@Wizard434 To be fair, the fault lies in Balon Greyjoy for thinking he would actually have a chance to subjugate the Northern Lords rather than just joining the combined attacks against the Lannisters who were far wealthier and had a very small navy compared to them or Stannis Baratheon.
      And to be fair, at least he knew the Lannisters had no honor and would probably let him keep his stolen lands, but if the North/Stannis won they would've forced him to return any stolen Lannister territory.

    • @leonpaelinck
      @leonpaelinck 10 месяцев назад +1

      You can't blame Edmure. Robb did not inform him about the big plan. Edmure did what he thought was the right thing to do.
      In the end, Robb lost because he was in a losing position from the start. You cannot expect everything to go according to plan.

  • @krimzonstriker7534
    @krimzonstriker7534 4 года назад +166

    Thanks so much for including the Battle of the Camps with this one. Please stick to book lore only as well, the extra details and intrigue are far better then in the show :D

    • @MichaelMedici61W2
      @MichaelMedici61W2 4 года назад +2

      KrimzonStriker absolutely, 100% agree with you

  • @rizkyardan5760
    @rizkyardan5760 4 года назад +100

    THE KING IN THE NORTH!!!!

    • @XiyuYang
      @XiyuYang 4 года назад +9

      Ardan Da King In Da Norf!

  • @ThePhantomTomo
    @ThePhantomTomo 4 года назад +42

    Robb's battle tactics were simply amazing. He would have won if it weren't for all the betrayals. Tywin is so lucky the Freys and Boltons were traitors. Robb was not going to fail.

    • @apex_1515
      @apex_1515 Год назад +1

      No he wouldn't have....

    • @johnchard4856
      @johnchard4856 Год назад +8

      He sealed his own fate breaking the marriage pact and alienating the Karstarks.

  • @harryjackson3867
    @harryjackson3867 4 года назад +345

    That’s just crazy I was just thinking about your channel and then a new vid pops up

    • @markthervguy
      @markthervguy 4 года назад +2

      I was as well just yesterday????

    • @ChrisDynamo
      @ChrisDynamo 4 года назад +2

      It's a shame that we didn't get a real video, just this bollocks instead (and I say that as a GoT fan). There is no need for these silly videos, why can't we get real history instead? This channel has lost so much ground to Kings and Generals, History Marche etc. despite once being the King, and it's taking no steps to regain what it once had.

    • @felixblack1106
      @felixblack1106 4 года назад +2

      @@ChrisDynamo going to have to disagree with you chief. Baz battles is still the kind of storytelling.

    • @ChrisDynamo
      @ChrisDynamo 4 года назад +1

      @@felixblack1106 Bullshit. Making cop out videos about a few vague lines in a book trying to pander to GoT fans, they're the kings of nothing. Your second sentence makes me believe that you're a youtube history channel casual, because there's a plethora of now superior channels. I'll list the shit out of them for you if you're looking for enlightenment.

    • @harryjackson9469
      @harryjackson9469 4 года назад +1

      @@ChrisDynamo Well I mean Kings and Generals do Game of Thrones vids as well and we all still love that channel, Bazbattles still usually does historical battles so there's nothing wrong really

  • @gabrielsacco1731
    @gabrielsacco1731 4 года назад +216

    Yes I love game of thrones battles

  • @omoshiroi3648
    @omoshiroi3648 4 года назад +481

    I hope baz battle just follow the storyline from the book, instead of the show.

    • @GabrielBelmont4727
      @GabrielBelmont4727 4 года назад +100

      There is no storyline to follow if he goes by the series

    • @fibo4108
      @fibo4108 4 года назад +44

      What? People expect him to do this kind of video for, say the Battle of the Bastards? There's literally no background to any of the series' original battles, so rest easy.

    • @lickylick6483
      @lickylick6483 4 года назад +13

      Just started reading the first book, is it worth reading all of them?

    • @TheGrimHHH
      @TheGrimHHH 4 года назад +53

      @@lickylick6483 Yes, the books have much more content and are better written than the TV Show.

    • @samarkand1585
      @samarkand1585 4 года назад +12

      This one battle wasn't in the show, so here's your answer

  • @JBrander
    @JBrander 3 года назад +18

    Robb: (tries to form an alliance with the Greyjoys)
    Balon: *ARE YOU CHALLENGING ME??*

  • @ou6775
    @ou6775 4 года назад +41

    George R.R Martin’s work is phenomenal!
    Wish D & D had more then cinematography brilliance

  • @bejoysen4468
    @bejoysen4468 2 года назад +13

    It's so sad when you remember Edmure undid all of this by fighting Tywin's men outside Riverrun. This gave envoys from the south enough time to reach Tywin with news of Stannis's attack on King's Landing, so he turned back to defeat Stannis. Had Tywin continued to march west, his whole army could have been massacred and the war ended.

    • @Thrawn23.
      @Thrawn23. 2 месяца назад

      Then Stannis would have taken Kingslanding and Robb could marry Margery and Edmure to the Frey girl. The Frey's would still see it as a slight on Robb's part but his first born son could marry a Frey and take her as his queen and everything would be cool for the most part

  • @_random_guy
    @_random_guy 4 года назад +31

    rob (king in the north) : sends theon to his dad to convice him to help rob in this war
    balon (theon's dad) : proclaims himself as the king of the iron islands and attacks the north

  • @jaimelannister1797
    @jaimelannister1797 3 года назад +16

    Robb should've had a POV in A Clash of Kings so we could actually see all of this

  • @serjaimelannister5152
    @serjaimelannister5152 Год назад +49

    The War of the Five Kings was entirely winnable for the Starks, and they lost almost entirely due to terrible luck.

    • @simonrobillard
      @simonrobillard Год назад +14

      Damn Lannisters and their plot armor !

    • @pmmeyourdadjokes9811
      @pmmeyourdadjokes9811 11 месяцев назад

      They lost because Robb betrayed the trust of a notoriously scheming, backstabbing family whom he relied on for safe passage into the south

    • @803bucho
      @803bucho 9 месяцев назад +1

      Unfortunately for us Stark lovers this is a story smh plot had to save Tywin and all of em but if this was real yeah there’s no way the Starks woulda lost.

    • @leonpaelinck
      @leonpaelinck 8 месяцев назад +1

      No the problem was that Robb's goals were too ambitious. No way to hold thenorthand tje riberlands

    • @cieranosullivan3636
      @cieranosullivan3636 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@leonpaelinck Lysa and Balon not supporting this war for independence on the side of Robb was the biggest issue. If Robb had a larger support base, from people who SHOULD have supported them - then he would have won. But GoT is character focused rather than warfare/kingdom management focused

  • @Basedbateman97
    @Basedbateman97 4 года назад +108

    Instead we All blame Edmure for his "Error" to attack the mill where the mountain were, Edmure and his forces were not "Told" to follow a certain plan just to drive Tywin and his men West.
    1 Word "Communication" it's the fatal Error sometimes. If Edmure "Knew" Robbs plans along with Robb's "Deal" with Stannis to lure Tywins Army west and not to Kings landing Then Tywin would Have moved west but Edmure's attack Alerted him... It's sad Stannis would Have taken The trone, have Tyrion, cersei and her childern in chains if not Already Dead and Tywin would Agree to insane terms in order to secure a peace deal simliar to The treaty of Versailles completly breaking house Lannister

    • @MrJH101
      @MrJH101 4 года назад +20

      Although, yes, I agree that lack of communication was indeed a problem, however, Robb also couldn’t risk sending a raven from where he was at towards Edmure to tell him those plans. Note that these strategic plans would have been made directly after Catelyn returned to Robb from her diplomatic mission down south and no one else knew the info she was bringing. And no one had expected Stannis to defeat his brother and absorb his army to then immediately make a move on King’s Landing. Only Catelyn possessed this info she was giving to Robb.
      So if Robb had sent a message telling Edmure the new plan with Stannis to rush King’s Landing while Tywin was distracted, the Lannister forces could have shot down any raven or rider sent. If that happened, the Lannisters would have discovered this new information too and it would have immediately been reported up the Lannister chain-of-command to Tywin. Thus, the plan would have been ruined even without Edmure doing anything.
      You have to understand that the logistics of communication back when militaries had no radios, no satellites, and no telegrams was a hell of a lot more difficult back then than it is now. Any messages sent out had a lot more risk of being intercepted and never even making it to their intended destination. So communication from the field (especially if in hostile territory) all the way back to base was not only difficult, but specific details must also be left out in case of interception.
      In the end though, this event was supposed to show that mistakes happen in war, even if they were well-intentioned mistakes. What unfortunately got cut from the show though was the scene where Robb Stark openly praises Edmure Tully in front of the court as a war hero for his brave actions in driving off The Mountain and saving Riverrun. But then when all the other vassals and subjects are no longer around them, that’s when Robb reprimands Edmure in private for messing up their plans. This was supposed to symbolize how a leader is intended to act with their followers: *To openly praise your subordinates in public for their actions, where they can be seen by others; but to criticize them for their faults in private, so they will learn and not be publicly humiliated.*

    • @9822703
      @9822703 4 года назад +10

      his orders were to hold Riverrun. Edmure sought glory and left the defenses of the castle and attacked Tywin. communication was clear. Riverrun was the castle. the Riverlands is the region.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 4 года назад +7

      @@9822703 Edmure did it in the books because Tywin's men were butchering women and children. Riverrun was full of refuges who lost their homes to Tywin and The Mountain. He attacked Tywin because he felt it was his job to defend his land and his people

    • @9822703
      @9822703 4 года назад +4

      @@gfilmer7150 not denying that, but most of the riverlords were sent home to reclaim their lands which is why holding riverrun isn't a hard task to understand. edmure not having enough men pulled the garrison from the twins to aid in his battle of the fords which was an unnecessary. The battle risked soldiers they could not afford to lose. had he lost that would have been a whole new disaster. however, he ventured out first for vengeance as he was humiliated during the first siege of Riverrun where he was captured. this time he seeks glory and Catelyn questions his judgement. not blaming him 100 percent. The orders were obvious and his mistake wasn't the battle necessarily but the removal of the garrison from the Twins to do battle.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 4 года назад +1

      @@9822703 They were, I'm just saying he wasn't a complete douche like in the show

  • @howhigh0521
    @howhigh0521 4 года назад +17

    I legitimately love you for flushing this Battle out. When I read about all these details in the book I had so much hope the show would capitalize on the cook details of the twins landscape and Robb's ability to worg. Thank you for this 😊

  • @zerosternritter566
    @zerosternritter566 4 года назад +445

    Still better than the final season of GoT

    • @lilwater7358
      @lilwater7358 4 года назад +5

      Yeah its funny how all of you destroy your love for the series just because some things were not like you wanted.

    • @provablegrub4581
      @provablegrub4581 4 года назад +33

      Laszlo Official The fact that you can critique something shows how much you love it. Season 8 was not good, that’s a fact. You can like it if you want, but objectively the writing was bad.

    • @jorgeferreira2009
      @jorgeferreira2009 4 года назад +1

      @Ghostkripp true. But there are a lot with the same opinion ... in this case, how many opinions do you need until it's a fact?

    • @otterhero6229
      @otterhero6229 4 года назад +1

      @@jorgeferreira2009 an Impossible number of opinions. Regardless of how many people agree with you, the quality of art is relative and there can never be a factual definition as to whether it is good or bad.

    • @jorgeferreira2009
      @jorgeferreira2009 4 года назад +2

      @@otterhero6229 can't argue with that. I guess that people were just disappointed on how things turned out, but hey; it was 8 seasons and truth be told, it was still a great show.

  • @OverLordthe1st
    @OverLordthe1st 4 года назад +1

    One of the few channels i have alerts for, thank you for making this day even better.

  • @adamduke1505
    @adamduke1505 4 года назад

    Please continue this series! It’s so helpful in following the chaotic story that is GOT. Thanks for the quality content.

  • @dirkdiggler4855
    @dirkdiggler4855 4 года назад +8

    Despite the north being a vast, cold, barren wasteland, Balon decides to invade them instead of the RICHEST KINGDOM in the seven kingdoms

  • @countdooku756
    @countdooku756 4 года назад +14

    I've been looking forward to this.

  • @MetProSOWC
    @MetProSOWC 4 года назад +2

    I'm so glad I discovered your channel

  • @janklaska3026
    @janklaska3026 4 года назад +10

    Literally best channel on ytb for history even fictional battles.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @miguelmontenegro3520
    @miguelmontenegro3520 4 года назад +6

    Sometimes its hard to realize How deep they went and how costly oxcross was. The North was really in a disavantage by sheer numbera in the war

  • @helicongremory8480
    @helicongremory8480 4 года назад +17

    When your brother-in-law as the same name as you do, you know there is a problem somewhere.

    • @JerichoJulius0
      @JerichoJulius0 4 года назад +3

      Cousin marriages were pretty common in nobility.

    • @deg1studios
      @deg1studios 4 года назад +6

      Tywin was married to his cousin Joanna Lannister

  • @wouven4517
    @wouven4517 4 года назад

    The research and dedication to detail that go into these vidoes is astonishing.

  • @brittanyfehlings6838
    @brittanyfehlings6838 Год назад

    Even after reading the books and watching the show, there's so many details I missed, it's nice to see it done in little bits on these videos.

  • @ohhhmindy4380
    @ohhhmindy4380 3 года назад +5

    These are so helpful to those of us who are visual learners. I’ve read these battles multiple times, but your videos bring them to life in my mind. Nine times out of ten the books are better, for me, battles are the one out of ten I choose imagery. Hope you do more from the ASOIAF series!

  • @joeydillon2
    @joeydillon2 4 года назад +4

    Why tf don’t you have atLEAST a Million subscribers my dude?? This kind of content right here is KING !
    Thank you for posting this sir.

  • @MichaelParthum
    @MichaelParthum 4 года назад +1

    Just discovered these videos. Love it! Look forward to the rest.

  • @zzadoKK
    @zzadoKK 3 года назад

    Just found you yesterday actually and I love the stories and the graphic presentation. I pledge FEALTY

  • @bartsimpsonyellowmenace3780
    @bartsimpsonyellowmenace3780 4 года назад +9

    We need the battle of Stannis in the north with the wildlings (book version of course). You have to, it was one of the most epic battles.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 4 года назад +5

      Agreed, they way his men cut down the mamoths and shouted Stannis' name when they won...
      Still gives me chills. The good kind.

  • @cookingtimewithmikeydubbsc2017
    @cookingtimewithmikeydubbsc2017 4 года назад +5

    Love these GoT battles keep them coming

  • @MikeCheckVR
    @MikeCheckVR 4 года назад

    Oh please make more!! Continue it from here, amazing video. Love it

  • @christianvennemann9008
    @christianvennemann9008 4 года назад +32

    YES! I'm so happy whenever I get a notification about a new vid by you, especially if it's Game of Thrones!

    • @bretviola6871
      @bretviola6871 4 года назад +1

      Christian Vennemann I always assumed that Mance was supposed to be shoehorned into the discussion.

  • @wayfaringman8418
    @wayfaringman8418 4 года назад +30

    I love Robb Stark. Bazz Battles for the win!

  • @nikfaizal97
    @nikfaizal97 4 года назад +29

    Last time I was this early Ned Stark was still Hand of the King

  • @MrAsb10
    @MrAsb10 4 года назад

    Thank you for reminding me how much I loved and enjoyed GoT!

  • @TheLongWind
    @TheLongWind Год назад

    I love those undiscovered goat paths that perfectly fit your battle plan

  • @tancreddehauteville9983
    @tancreddehauteville9983 4 года назад +33

    I’m early! To all my GoT brothers and sisters I salute you, Valar Morghulis! 🙌🔥

  • @elhorno6934
    @elhorno6934 4 года назад +9

    Now that I am done with my Uni exams, I can’t stop waiting for your videos with excitement. I was late by 15 mins, next time would be as soon you upload :D

  • @XiyuYang
    @XiyuYang 4 года назад

    Man this is uncanny, I thought earlier to myself that I hope your channel uploads a new video about battles in GoT. Opened RUclips and it just popped up!

  • @davidwatson7196
    @davidwatson7196 4 года назад +1

    This was great!!! I can watch videos like this until the Game of Thrones prequel comes out next year. Thanks again!

  • @Cahirable
    @Cahirable 4 года назад +4

    A couple of things to note:
    1. Jaime's camps at Riverrun (or at least the one facing Robb) were fortified with stakes and ditches, not completely undefended as depicted, and the first phase of the assault was to kill the sentries and remove the stakes for the cavalry attack.
    2. Jaime's camps didn't need to be that exposed, since any competent commander would have built pontoon bridges to link his camps. This kind of thing wasn't unusual in the least during the Middle Ages (see the sieges of Chateau Gaillard and Aiguillon).
    3. Robb's plan was never to launch a surprise raid on the Westerlands, but to take the Golden Tooth and draw Stafford away from Lannisport so that the Greyjoys could take it/raid the coast with impunity (Theon I, ACOK). While an ambush battle might still have happened, it probably would have been after either Robb drew Stafford on by pillaging the countryside and had tired the Lannister infantry out, or else when Stafford was being indecisive about which enemy to face (possibly in conjunction with the Greyjoys for a pincer attack). Oxcross was an improvisation, not the plan.
    4. The books definitely imply that the path Robb's army took last the Golden Tooth was quite close to it, rather than some great circuitous route around it (Catelyn V, ACOK).
    5. The fact that Robb had to march somewhere in the order of 200 miles without detection, including past major castles such as Sarsfield, and lacked the manpower to invest each and every castle to shoot down ravens and prevent messengers from leaving, is glossed over. The lack of attention to distances and time was also a major flaw in last video, wherein Robb travels over 200 miles in a night and Roose and Tywin each march over a hundred miles in the same night.
    Overall, the impression given in the video was that Robb was just 100% genius rather than a massively impulsive risk taken with an obscene (and unbelievable) amount of luck, which is entirely wrong.

    • @shanemac1646
      @shanemac1646 4 года назад

      Thanks Richard the lion heart

  • @kurtcobain3426
    @kurtcobain3426 4 года назад +12

    I miss the days of season 3...

  • @Exigentable
    @Exigentable 4 года назад

    These are awesome. Cant wait for more.

  • @reaver1414
    @reaver1414 4 года назад +1

    Because of the actor playing Stannis was so much older on the show I forgot that he was Roberts younger brother until you mentioned it and reminded me even though I've read the entire series multiple times. That just shows how much the more recent show information can overshadow the older book info. It makes me think I need to reread the series again now that the show is over and we are waiting for the next book to be released

  • @_Tristen_
    @_Tristen_ 3 года назад +5

    “Do you still believe good soldiers make good kings?” - Renly Baratheon

  • @bplup6419
    @bplup6419 4 года назад +4

    When the trees start shouting "The king in da norf!"

  • @eduardocornejo2903
    @eduardocornejo2903 4 года назад

    I was just hoping one of subscriptions would post. Couldn’t have asked for a better one!

  • @ericmyrs
    @ericmyrs 4 года назад

    This is one of the better maps of Westeros I've seen. Good clarity.

  • @JackDManheim
    @JackDManheim 4 года назад +5

    Thank you for saying 'Obliterated' instead of 'Decimated'.

    • @ranica47
      @ranica47 4 года назад

      Yes! Decimated - it's in the word folks - means killing one in ten, not routing.

  • @brandonjackson9207
    @brandonjackson9207 4 года назад +3

    Thanks Baz Battles, Now I want to play Mount and Blade. great video

    • @luisandrea3221
      @luisandrea3221 4 года назад

      Omg same, i just started earlier this morning a AWOIAF run

  • @rasmuslyhne9199
    @rasmuslyhne9199 2 года назад +1

    This is better than any world war 2 documentary. Well done! So captivating :D

  • @ravan9352
    @ravan9352 4 года назад

    You have shown nicely those 5 kings at the end! :)

  • @rishi7629
    @rishi7629 4 года назад +4

    One minor mistake... Tullys sallied out of Riverun on a sortie & took the crossing Lannister men from the rear on Blackfish's side.

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  • @frodobaggins6684
    @frodobaggins6684 4 года назад

    Beautifully done!!!

  • @ulrich3486
    @ulrich3486 4 года назад +1

    Wow that was awesome love your videos!

  • @gendarrion911
    @gendarrion911 4 года назад +7

    Can you make the battle of blackwater next based on the books? that is the most decisive battle in war of the five kings.

  • @guts7958
    @guts7958 4 года назад +19

    have you ever thought about doing other fantasy battles like Lord of the Rings and Warcraft heck even Final Fantasy I love your videos just wondering is all

  • @mailkefe6813
    @mailkefe6813 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for your valuable work.

  • @TenkenSoujirou
    @TenkenSoujirou 4 года назад +2

    Enjoyed your narration and the animation...tyvm

  • @lordgrinch1349
    @lordgrinch1349 4 года назад +3

    More please!!

  • @suleymanthemagnificent3072
    @suleymanthemagnificent3072 4 года назад +3

    High Quality bro
    😃

  • @DevilGiga
    @DevilGiga 4 года назад

    I would like to see more videos on naval battles. Yours are REALLY good

  • @ramsram2418
    @ramsram2418 2 года назад

    stil waiting for more , very good work !

  • @Cencrd
    @Cencrd 4 года назад +7

    Can you make a meme GOT battle video: "The Battle of the woods where Robert lost to a boar"?

  • @EAGLE-fq2zm
    @EAGLE-fq2zm 4 года назад +3

    we need more

  • @athenian9795
    @athenian9795 4 года назад

    Love this channel!

  • @deepred6041
    @deepred6041 4 года назад

    Brilliant! Loved it!

  • @signorpresidente3486
    @signorpresidente3486 3 года назад +5

    it's funny how Robb lost the war even though he won all the battles

  • @fuzzydunlop7928
    @fuzzydunlop7928 4 года назад +5

    GODS the strategy was strong then.

  • @ScorpioRahl
    @ScorpioRahl 4 года назад

    Damn. Now it looks much more logical than I used to see in my minds eye. Great, GREAT movie. Hats down to You sir!

  • @thecrusaderhistorian9820
    @thecrusaderhistorian9820 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for the video. It was very nice to watch.

  • @valarvinbucais6342
    @valarvinbucais6342 4 года назад +3

    Please do a video about the Battle of the Fords

  • @piercecbell
    @piercecbell 4 года назад +3

    Will there be a part 2?

  • @loooongneck
    @loooongneck 4 года назад

    The style of these videos is dope

  • @doombane95
    @doombane95 4 года назад

    This is video is much much better than the whole season 8, thank you very much

  • @juangomez7586
    @juangomez7586 4 года назад +3

    Blackwater battle is the next yeahh or not ??

    • @deg1studios
      @deg1studios 4 года назад +1

      Either blackwater or the ironborn invasion

  • @cmartin6070
    @cmartin6070 4 года назад +3

    War of the Five Kings best part of asoiaf for me.

    • @gfilmer7150
      @gfilmer7150 3 года назад

      It's not over yet. New opponents are entering the game.

  • @keithchief8390
    @keithchief8390 3 года назад

    Battle of winter fell, the field of fire, or Danny’s raid on the Lannisters could be cool ideas too I love these game of thrones videos.

  • @phrophetsamgames
    @phrophetsamgames 3 года назад

    "And the stars in the night were the eyes of his wolf, and the wind itself was their song."
    -Wolf in the Night, a song about the Battle of Oxcross