Wow. A lot of negative comments. The man has every right to tell his story. And this was a good one that shed insight into a work of art. The fact that Meat is not around does not make a difference. Hitler is not around either. (pardon the hyperbole) Is it really shocking to discover that a musician/actor was a temperamental ass? Harder to find one that wasn't/isn't. Meatloaf's sins seem paltry compared to a Michael Jackson. Separate the man from the work and take a grain of salt. Thanks, Barry!
Agreed. So many great artists, writers and musicians would be 'cancelled' for not meeting the rigorous moral standards of the modern 'liberal' western establishment - many musicians ARE being removed for their personal opinions and behaviour. But their work shouldn't be taken off radio playlists. If, say, Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris' music isn't played in public it should be for the reason it's terrible (especially the former) and for no other reason. If you don't like Meatloaf's music, fine (I don't) but don't use dislike of the man as a pretext to cancel his work.
Desmond comes off as a a bit of a snowflake here. Record producers can have over inflated opinion of themselves too. Have you ever heard of Phil Spector, Desmond?
@@metaltech3944prove it and tell this to the thousands of people who are claiming for vaccine injury, and to the relatives who are sueing, because their loved ones died not long after having the vax, some young previously fit people, so please educate yourself, you make these sweeping statements, and come over just simply embarrassing!!
Lorraine Crosby who did the vocals on 'I would do anything for Love' is a family friend of ours but she never had any problem with him as far as I know.
Judging by the comments, I thought that this was going to be a nasty take down of the man. It wasn't. It was just an interesting observation from someone involved in his work. Granted, it was a little gossipy in moments, but such anecdotes give us an insight into the personalities of the people we know, and I enjoyed it. Our 'heroes' are just human beings, and it wouldn't be the first time I found out that an artist I liked wasn't what I'd thought. One of my favourites happens to be a complete arsehole, but you get that. Love your work. On a completely unrelated topic, my first album (at 15 years old) was Deep Purple's 'Made in Japan'. Am I the only one who thinks that their studio albums are, by comparison, flat-sounding and very disappointing? Bat out of hell was a great album.
From what I know about Meat Loaf's life and career, I don't think he was homophobic, at least not in any kind of aggressive way. Though he had to be coaxed (by actor Graham Jarvis) into signing onto the cast of the 1974 Roxy production of 'The Rocky Horror Show', he did so, going on to reprise his roles in the 1975 Broadway production as well as the role of Eddie in the film version 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show', all these iterations of a show revolving around themes of bisexuality and gender fluidity generating scores of gay fans. Meat Loaf took pride in his 'Rocky Horror' associations for the remainder of his life. It is true that Meat Loaf eventually adopted right-wing politics, which are usually at least tacitly homophobic, but I've never encountered mention of the singer using that position to disparage gay people.
@@Gira21Gramos Yes, that was in reference to the 1974 Roxy production of 'The Rocky Horror Show'. Meat Loaf described how he was taken aback at seeing Tim Curry appear for rehearsals in his "sweet transvestite" attire, singing the accompanying lyrics, and fled the premises wondering what he had gotten himself into. Fellow cast member Graham Jarvis (hired to play the Narrator) followed him and had to coax him into returning. Meat Loaf eventually agreed to stay on the production, but insisted on not having to wear any ladies' stockings, but eventually he did even that, in his scenes calling for it playing Dr. Scott.
Those negative attributes of Meat's were something I sort of came to know about in his final years of life. It doesn't frankly come as much of a shocker that he treated Desmond that badly. Being a musician who's also part of the gay community myself, I found it pretty heartbreaking that one of the vocalists I admire had such bad attitudes.
Did he say he had to get a "Demon Choir?" Man, talk about going above and beyond... or maybe below and beyond. 🔥 If you have to travel to Malebolge to get singers, you deserve all the credit.👹
I don't care for the attacking the deceased kind of stories. It reminds me of Marky Ramone's autobiography where he shit on Joey, Dee Dee and Johnny. His accusations of racism against Johnny especially irritated me. It's easy to scandalize those who cannot defend themselves.
$2 million to record & produce an album! Sounds like Fleetwood Mac's TUSK! That was a different time, wasn't it, when tons of cash went into lengthy recording sessions?
People definitely have multiple sides, some agreeable, some disappointing (depending on your point of view) I’m old enough to know when Bat Out of Hell was new, but his acting turns in things like that exceptional House episode, or an understanding motel manager during 2010’s “Beautiful Boy” is how I’d like to remember the man, outside of his music. Can’t help how others feel inside their heads about this or that subject. As far as behavior you can only hope for improvement, and after death, acknowledging mistakes were made.
Weeeeeell, Lennon slapped women around and Roger Waters has never actually sued anyone who implied he was a raging Jew hater (despite his hot air) , yet everyone loves the Beatles and Pink Floyd, are we going to treat Meat Load different because his music isn't as highbrow? I'm not going to be disposing of my Meat Loaf archive. To be fair, you have called Lennon out and you did report what Polly Sampson said about RW, I acknowledge that. Still, a deep dive into Rogers political beliefs and how the have been reflected in his work would be, stimulating.
The songwriting quality on Bat III is hit & miss, but the recording and production quality is incredible. I think Demond did an excellent job considering the strenuous circumstances.
Disappointed in the channel for letting this guy make unfounded, clearly speculative and hurtful claims against someone who can’t defend himself. A little pushback would have been warranted.
Desmond Child is an interesting character, he’s written some of the worst songs ever recorded, but hit the right timing and they became popular and were hits. Who knows if any or all of this story is true or not, but as others have said here Meat Loaf isn’t here to defend himself, so it’s interesting timing for him to reveal this story and put it in his book, a bit dubious. My disdain for Child’s songwriting knows no bounds though, every time I’ve seen his songwriting credit on something I know it’s going to be shit and it always is.
He's not the only one. Patti didn't have nice things to say after her time working with Meat ended either. I wonder how much of the drama stemmed from Meat needing an oversized sense of control/credit, since he was just a performer, and was entirely reliant on people giving him great songs.
Bat Out of Hell 3 was actually my introduction to Meatloaf when I was in college. I loved the songs and how epic they all sounded, so I think Desmond Child deserves to be commended on the production of that album. And Meatloaf does sound very good vocally on that album. But yes, a very very troubled production from behind the scenes.
Surely everyone knows Meatloaf would have been nothing without Jim Steinman. I saw him live a few times from Deadringer onwards. He couldn’t sing from day one. He had a guy standing next to him and they were singing lead vocals together he was that bad. The Steinman albums were awesome of course . Pity meats vocals were so bad he never recorded Bad for good as the second album . It could have been as big as bay 😢
Im all about the music meat loaf has an excellent catalogue of music and a decent filmography and whatever he did in the Past is well the past and he should be remembered for his musical and acting legacy
Bat out of hell 3 is a great album once you get used to his worsening voice. Interesting to hear the first recordings were even worse. Of course many people we admire are not always the best of characters but we can always just listen to the music.
Sad when biographies come out after the stars are gone. It’s not like doing a biography of Lincoln. Everyone has a story to tell and some have books to sell. I remember the music.
Here's an idea: how about don't wait until a guy is dead and can't defend himself against your accusations? Or how about try just once writing a song worthy to sit alongside Jim Steinman songs?
Aday wasn't a saint. No one is. While Child is no Steinman (not throwing shade but Steinman was on another level) he didn't deserve abuse. The homophobic slam is uncalled for. Just because Aday was conservative and was an ass didn't make him homophobic. Perhaps Child is simply being heterophobic? Heterophobes love to thrown around the homophobic word but don't seem to reflect on themselves. Are we to believe every word Child says because he is gay or is questioning him automatically homophobic? RIP Aday and Steinman, one of the greatest collaborations in rock history.
Interesting stuff. Meatloaf, when it/he was coming out in the seventies, struck me of an anthem to undercover Nazi's. Glorious presentation, better than Bruce Springbord himself. Never smiling, he had no humor. Patsch.
This video makes me want to stop watching your channel. I think I'm going to take a break. Maybe I'll see you again in a few months. Mr. Child seems like a pretty yucky person and I don't want to be a party to helping spread this stuff by increasing the view count by watching the videos. All the best.
@classicalbum Sorry Barry, I'm afraid I'd have to agree with David. Normally, I really enjoy the content on your channel. This borders on sensational and trashy. You're not Geraldo or Jeremy Kyle. Keep up the good work. 👍
I don’t care what other people’s opinions are on social issues. The relationship between fan and artist is no different. I prefer the artist keep their opinions to themselves but if they don’t, I can allow it to bother me or not. If the artist is campaigning on an issue, it may become a problem for me but if the artist has personal opinions and keeps them quiet, I don’t care.
His last album "Braver than we Are" was a disaster, the songs were bad, his voice was unlistenable. After one listen I threw it out the car window. Meat Loaf would be alive today if he had heeded and not ignored covid warnings. Instead he chose to flaunt and make fun of it saying that if he did get it he wouldnt care if he died. Sadly. he got his wish.
Braver Than We Are is a great album. Meat Loaf's voice was completely shot and he pulled it off anyway. That's a true artist. And Jim Steinman's songs were brilliant, as usual.
@@matthewhughes5619What a predictable response. Why would we be jealous of a whiny crybaby that writes some pretty mediocre songs for bands past their prime, like Kiss and Bon Jovi...
Never meet your heroes (or dig deep into their beliefs either). Yeah I became less and less impressed with Loaf after he started revealing his right-wing views and totally dismissed him when he became an anti-vax conspiracy theorist. Other than Bat Out of Hell I never cared much for his work anyway and the greatness of that one is due much more to Jim Steinman who wrote all the tunes and Todd Rundgren who produced it, than to Meatloaf himself.
Wow. A lot of negative comments. The man has every right to tell his story. And this was a good one that shed insight into a work of art. The fact that Meat is not around does not make a difference. Hitler is not around either. (pardon the hyperbole) Is it really shocking to discover that a musician/actor was a temperamental ass? Harder to find one that wasn't/isn't. Meatloaf's sins seem paltry compared to a Michael Jackson. Separate the man from the work and take a grain of salt. Thanks, Barry!
Agreed. So many great artists, writers and musicians would be 'cancelled' for not meeting the rigorous moral standards of the modern 'liberal' western establishment - many musicians ARE being removed for their personal opinions and behaviour. But their work shouldn't be taken off radio playlists. If, say, Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris' music isn't played in public it should be for the reason it's terrible (especially the former) and for no other reason. If you don't like Meatloaf's music, fine (I don't) but don't use dislike of the man as a pretext to cancel his work.
Desmond comes off as a a bit of a snowflake here. Record producers can have over inflated opinion of themselves too. Have you ever heard of Phil Spector, Desmond?
Never liked Meatloaf's work and he seemed like a prima donna. He wasn't the brightest either especially being anti-vax which unfortunately killed him.
I don't think Meat ever did anything close to murdering millions of Jews. The comparison is ludicrous.
@@metaltech3944prove it and tell this to the thousands of people who are claiming for vaccine injury, and to the relatives who are sueing, because their loved ones died not long after having the vax, some young previously fit people, so please educate yourself, you make these sweeping statements, and come over just simply embarrassing!!
If Jim Stienman and Meat Loaf could have found a common ground and never ended their partnership who knows what great music they could have created.
Easy to disparage a man who's not here to defend himself.
Yes, all this stuff comes out after their dead
Agreed
Agreed!
Yeah. For sure….
@@classicalbumbecause he’s afraid of lawsuits.
Lorraine Crosby who did the vocals on 'I would do anything for Love' is a family friend of ours but she never had any problem with him as far as I know.
Totally different person and relationship type.
Not surprising, Meat always admitted to having a short fuse (which at times he blamed on cocaine).
Judging by the comments, I thought that this was going to be a nasty take down of the man.
It wasn't.
It was just an interesting observation from someone involved in his work.
Granted, it was a little gossipy in moments, but such anecdotes give us an insight into the personalities of the people we know, and I enjoyed it.
Our 'heroes' are just human beings, and it wouldn't be the first time I found out that an artist I liked wasn't what I'd thought. One of my favourites happens to be a complete arsehole, but you get that.
Love your work.
On a completely unrelated topic, my first album (at 15 years old) was Deep Purple's 'Made in Japan'.
Am I the only one who thinks that their studio albums are, by comparison, flat-sounding and very disappointing?
Bat out of hell was a great album.
You're right about the interview. And the Album.
From what I know about Meat Loaf's life and career, I don't think he was homophobic, at least not in any kind of aggressive way. Though he had to be coaxed (by actor Graham Jarvis) into signing onto the cast of the 1974 Roxy production of 'The Rocky Horror Show', he did so, going on to reprise his roles in the 1975 Broadway production as well as the role of Eddie in the film version 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show', all these iterations of a show revolving around themes of bisexuality and gender fluidity generating scores of gay fans. Meat Loaf took pride in his 'Rocky Horror' associations for the remainder of his life.
It is true that Meat Loaf eventually adopted right-wing politics, which are usually at least tacitly homophobic, but I've never encountered mention of the singer using that position to disparage gay people.
I've seen an interview in which Meat said he tried to leave Rocky Horror because he thought it was going to be porn.
@@Gira21Gramos Yes, that was in reference to the 1974 Roxy production of 'The Rocky Horror Show'. Meat Loaf described how he was taken aback at seeing Tim Curry appear for rehearsals in his "sweet transvestite" attire, singing the accompanying lyrics, and fled the premises wondering what he had gotten himself into. Fellow cast member Graham Jarvis (hired to play the Narrator) followed him and had to coax him into returning. Meat Loaf eventually agreed to stay on the production, but insisted on not having to wear any ladies' stockings, but eventually he did even that, in his scenes calling for it playing Dr. Scott.
Insightful video, thanks.
Kind of drives home the adage, "never meet your heroes".
Those negative attributes of Meat's were something I sort of came to know about in his final years of life. It doesn't frankly come as much of a shocker that he treated Desmond that badly. Being a musician who's also part of the gay community myself, I found it pretty heartbreaking that one of the vocalists I admire had such bad attitudes.
His name was Robert Paulson! 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮🤣🤣
Did he say he had to get a "Demon Choir?" Man, talk about going above and beyond... or maybe below and beyond. 🔥 If you have to travel to Malebolge to get singers, you deserve all the credit.👹
Scott Ian is his son-in-law and he made Meatloaf sound like a jerky guy in his book, and he likes Meatloaf!
Hi I enjoy your interviews , always good to hear it from the horse's mouth .Keep up the great work Barry. 👏🎸🥁🎹🎤✌️🏴
Thanks, will do!
I don't care for the attacking the deceased kind of stories. It reminds me of Marky Ramone's autobiography where he shit on Joey, Dee Dee and Johnny. His accusations of racism against Johnny especially irritated me. It's easy to scandalize those who cannot defend themselves.
You certainly do deserve to be getting the big interviews. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, will do!
Interesting interview. Strange how people are getting upset about this. No one's perfect, especially world famous rock stars.
It is the internet, the place for unfettered and irational hysteria
$2 million to record & produce an album! Sounds like Fleetwood Mac's TUSK! That was a different time, wasn't it, when tons of cash went into lengthy recording sessions?
It's a lavish album
I wonder how terrible the stories would have to be, before I stopped listening to Mr Loaf's best work.🤔
Would rampant pederasty or necrophilia do it for you? Frankly, I'd still listen to XtC if Andy Partridge was found to have been into both.
People definitely have multiple sides, some agreeable, some disappointing (depending on your point of view)
I’m old enough to know when Bat Out of Hell was new, but his acting turns in things like that exceptional House episode, or an understanding motel manager during 2010’s “Beautiful Boy” is how I’d like to remember the man, outside of his music. Can’t help how others feel inside their heads about this or that subject. As far as behavior you can only hope for improvement, and after death, acknowledging mistakes were made.
Weeeeeell, Lennon slapped women around and Roger Waters has never actually sued anyone who implied he was a raging Jew hater (despite his hot air) , yet everyone loves the Beatles and Pink Floyd, are we going to treat Meat Load different because his music isn't as highbrow? I'm not going to be disposing of my Meat Loaf archive. To be fair, you have called Lennon out and you did report what Polly Sampson said about RW, I acknowledge that. Still, a deep dive into Rogers political beliefs and how the have been reflected in his work would be, stimulating.
There were 3 Bat Out of Hells?!!
The songwriting quality on Bat III is hit & miss, but the recording and production quality is incredible. I think Demond did an excellent job considering the strenuous circumstances.
Disappointed in the channel for letting this guy make unfounded, clearly speculative and hurtful claims against someone who can’t defend himself. A little pushback would have been warranted.
Desmond Child is an interesting character, he’s written some of the worst songs ever recorded, but hit the right timing and they became popular and were hits.
Who knows if any or all of this story is true or not, but as others have said here Meat Loaf isn’t here to defend himself, so it’s interesting timing for him to reveal this story and put it in his book, a bit dubious. My disdain for Child’s songwriting knows no bounds though, every time I’ve seen his songwriting credit on something I know it’s going to be shit and it always is.
He's not the only one. Patti didn't have nice things to say after her time working with Meat ended either.
I wonder how much of the drama stemmed from Meat needing an oversized sense of control/credit, since he was just a performer, and was entirely reliant on people giving him great songs.
Bat Out of Hell 3 was actually my introduction to Meatloaf when I was in college. I loved the songs and how epic they all sounded, so I think Desmond Child deserves to be commended on the production of that album. And Meatloaf does sound very good vocally on that album. But yes, a very very troubled production from behind the scenes.
I switched off when he started conflating homophobia with being right wing.
Abusive & Homophobic? Oh good, I must listen.
Surely everyone knows Meatloaf would have been nothing without Jim Steinman. I saw him live a few times from Deadringer onwards. He couldn’t sing from day one. He had a guy standing next to him and they were singing lead vocals together he was that bad. The Steinman albums were awesome of course . Pity meats vocals were so bad he never recorded Bad for good as the second album . It could have been as big as bay 😢
Sticking your tongue down another guys throat doesn't sound very homophobic...
i can't wait to hear what u think of bat out of hell III!! . . .
Not listened to it in years... but i loved it back in the day
@@classicalbum i didn't know about any of this until i saw this video but it's fascinating!!. . .
Meat wasn't a happy man. He was dealing with health problems during the last years of his life
Im all about the music meat loaf has an excellent catalogue of music and a decent filmography and whatever he did in the Past is well the past and he should be remembered for his musical and acting legacy
Are you delusional?
@@tawnieriekena7 no I'm not just sharing my opinion that's all right or wrong
Nice to see Classic Album Review falling into the gutter with this tawdry strapline and content.
Those were the days.
Bat out of hell 3 is a great album once you get used to his worsening voice. Interesting to hear the first recordings were even worse. Of course many people we admire are not always the best of characters but we can always just listen to the music.
I liked the Bat out of Hell 3 album saw that tour as well
Sad when biographies come out after the stars are gone. It’s not like doing a biography of Lincoln. Everyone has a story to tell and some have books to sell. I remember the music.
I’d just love you to interview my band. It could get crazy.🤔
Here's an idea: how about don't wait until a guy is dead and can't defend himself against your accusations? Or how about try just once writing a song worthy to sit alongside Jim Steinman songs?
Exactly
The accusation is made not by me
Forgive me, I did not mean to imply that it was you--I was addressing your guest. @@classicalbum
I know, right?
We know it's not you, Barry, but why waste your time on this rubbish. Your channel has quality content. Keep up the good work!
Political correctness gets everywhere like a toxic mould.
Political correctness now means not being a bigot now?
Or not being a snowflake? 🤔
@@mattrogers1946 yet all I see online are people whining about snowflakes. Seems like a bit of self reflection is in order
Aday wasn't a saint. No one is. While Child is no Steinman (not throwing shade but Steinman was on another level) he didn't deserve abuse. The homophobic slam is uncalled for. Just because Aday was conservative and was an ass didn't make him homophobic. Perhaps Child is simply being heterophobic? Heterophobes love to thrown around the homophobic word but don't seem to reflect on themselves. Are we to believe every word Child says because he is gay or is questioning him automatically homophobic? RIP Aday and Steinman, one of the greatest collaborations in rock history.
Meatloaf❤ 🤘
mini Frank Thring 🤣
check out Meatloaf at the MCG 2011 🤣
Bleuch. Libelling the dead never a good look
Interesting stuff. Meatloaf, when it/he was coming out in the seventies, struck me of an anthem to undercover Nazi's. Glorious presentation, better than Bruce Springbord himself.
Never smiling, he had no humor. Patsch.
Desmond the man who unnecessarily resurrected the careers of bands and artists who were better off dead.
😂
This video makes me want to stop watching your channel. I think I'm going to take a break. Maybe I'll see you again in a few months. Mr. Child seems like a pretty yucky person and I don't want to be a party to helping spread this stuff by increasing the view count by watching the videos. All the best.
You free to watch or don't watch, you don't have to tell me
@classicalbum Sorry Barry, I'm afraid I'd have to agree with David. Normally, I really enjoy the content on your channel. This borders on sensational and trashy. You're not Geraldo or Jeremy Kyle. Keep up the good work. 👍
Sensational and trashy is the theme of the interview
A hat out of bell 😅
I don’t care what other people’s opinions are on social issues.
The relationship between fan and artist is no different. I prefer the artist keep their opinions to themselves but if they don’t, I can allow it to bother me or not. If the artist is campaigning on an issue, it may become a problem for me but if the artist has personal opinions and keeps them quiet, I don’t care.
Dude went MAGA towards the end so not surprised
What a loon.
When you give your kid a first name Meat 🥩, it’s bound to give you mental issues. 😮😮😮😮😮😮😂😂😂😂😂
His first name was Marvin.
@@tawnieriekena7yeah, I think he knows that… it was a joke… the hint is a long line of smiling & laughing emojis. Are you new to the internet?
@@tawnieriekena7 his name was Robert Paulson! 😲 😲 😲 😲 😲 😊
His last album "Braver than we Are" was a disaster, the songs were bad, his voice was unlistenable. After one listen I threw it out the car window.
Meat Loaf would be alive today if he had heeded and not ignored covid warnings. Instead he chose to flaunt and make fun of it saying that if he did get it he wouldnt care if he died. Sadly. he got his wish.
Braver Than We Are is a great album. Meat Loaf's voice was completely shot and he pulled it off anyway. That's a true artist. And Jim Steinman's songs were brilliant, as usual.
Now much head hair between these two! 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😊😊😊😊😊
LOL - We must go to the same baba. I suspect he has more money than me
Whats that got to do with owt
Who is Desmond child 😂 does he want some cheese with that whine
Sounds like someone's jealous
🤣🤣🤣
@@matthewhughes5619What a predictable response. Why would we be jealous of a whiny crybaby that writes some pretty mediocre songs for bands past their prime, like Kiss and Bon Jovi...
Desmond knows how to lie very well, even though not everything that he says is false.
Cry me a river. Waaaaaaah
So what if he didn't like ho mos I don't either! 😊
Never meet your heroes (or dig deep into their beliefs either). Yeah I became less and less impressed with Loaf after he started revealing his right-wing views and totally dismissed him when he became an anti-vax conspiracy theorist. Other than Bat Out of Hell I never cared much for his work anyway and the greatness of that one is due much more to Jim Steinman who wrote all the tunes and Todd Rundgren who produced it, than to Meatloaf himself.
Steinman disagreed with you.