Marco Sanchez, yup your right, & MJ has always been known as the greatest finesse player Ever! He might have copied everything but at least he has solidified himself as the closet to MJ. Which in order to pass MJ one must be perfect in the finals, have a killer instinct, & be consistent in the clutch. - DJ Facts, Rotten Apple Radio
Kevin Lewis, so why is there video footage of mike in the early days innovating moves that kobe & lebron later copied. So who stuck their tongue out before mike? & why do both kobe & lebron have pics out there w/the patented tongue hang. Fucking Larry Bird said that micheal jordan is God w/a basketball jersey. Last I checked a God is higher than a king & is deadlier than a mamba!!!!!!! You just lost round 3 of this debate 3-0 & you done son 😂😂😂😂 - DJ Facts
Kevin Lewis, I'm talkn bout classic sports network & your full of shit. Before any of the content on classic, no one was doing anything acrobatic. This is documented in literature & spoken out the mouths of basketball historians. Dude your ignorant & obviously don't do any due diligence. If you can't provide a researchable source why are you still typing...I'm off this! Your dismissed - DJ Facts
#RapistKobe arrested on July 4 2003 #Wikipedia Kobe never went too jail you actually made a troll account . They should’ve never gave you niggas the internet!
It’s extremely close but out of all Kobe’s opponents in the Finals, 2010 Celtics were the toughest rival 3 Hall of Famers in Pierce, Garnett, and Allen Plus 1 all-star talent in Rondo
Matt The Knicks Fan watch a fucking game instead of looking at percentages most of Kobe's points came from midrange and 3 point rage he was a shooter that could slash if he wanted to he shot 34% from 3 in his prime before the injuries
I'm 18, never got to watch 8 Kobe live but from what I've seen, athletically insane, I watched 24, he was more skillful and that's what I like and he won 2 without Shaq in 24 so I got 24
He won 2 without shaq, who cares, #8 frobe was still badass, that's like saying can Jordan win a championship without Pippen, he won all six with pippen
I think Kobe knew it. He knew that this debate will take place and he feeds us with that by changing his number after 10 years. I believe he's a smart guy and that this move is 100% premedited and conscious. Fans like these talks and this cross-generational debates. They will be on the table forever and noone will never have an answer for it.
That's how great Kobe is. People who don't even like him click on these videos and take so much time out of their to watch or comment. Thanks for stopping by. Kobe is a great, can't take that away.
NIGGA WHAAT?? I didn't even say where I think he ranks. I don't have to. He doesn't need to be top 10 to be a great. Who cares? Top 10, 50, 100. Doesn't matter. He made his mark on the league.
Neil Morte I'm not interested in a video I already know what they going to say I like to have a nice conversation with the other people but why are Laker fans so quick to call you a hater if you don't drink the same cup of Kool-Aid that they drink
1990758 that's anecdotal. It all depends on the point being made. Nice conversations would be great, but so much disrespect being spread around the greats of the game for Kobe and Lebron especially.
Even Kobe didn't believe he was the same person after the number change He made the kanye commercial claiming to be a different animal but the same beast
Yea guys those scoring seasons were within his number changes. 9 straight 40+ point games was #8 Kobe and the next season he changed to 24 and then he had 4 straight 50+ point games
#8 Kobe was the more athletic, was able to put literally anyone on a poster. He was 1B to Shaq's 1A. #24 Kobe was the more wise and graceful Kobe, the Kobe was the more legit footwork. The Kobe who did whatever it took to win without Shaq. The Kobe who I think was more clutch than #8 Kobe.
infodrumm exactly but we all know why he switch from number 8 to 24 I don't care what he says or anyone else says number 8 is associated with Colorado 2004 but of course he's going to say that was his high school jersey number
What the deal with S-A-S? He's acting like an A-S-S. Dude has attitude problems, only seen this type of behavior from women... Great job Max keeping your cool. Just one time I want to see and hear Max say to SAS "Who the hell you think you talking to? Acting like a word that rhymes with itch..."
lol Calm down dude. Stephen A. i flies off the handle in a joking kind of way. You guys take his loud rants too seriously. This is just entertainment. Him and Max are both professionals and probably friends off First Take. Stephen A CHOSE MAX to as his First Take partner after Skip left. He respects Max's knowledge of the game and entertaining brand of delivery.
Heart goes out to Kobe he's gone but everybody forgets about Tim Duncan who got his rings from Michael Jordan Shaq Kobe LeBron and Barkeley andwith the media as he keeps a low profile and maybe he's living a better life because of that
Personally I'd take 8 he could've easily won 2 more championships while Shaq was around and Fisher, Horry etc.. He truly was Like a young lion going after everyone in the league, his talent back then was good enough to keep winning championships had they kept a competitive team after Shaq left.
#8 Kobe was more athletic, played with anger, was all about destroying others. #24 Kobe was more poised, relied of angles, footwork, post game, and experience.
Some people are mad he is getting 2 numbers retired; no one else has done it. But, nobody else has had such a great career with 2 numbers. Jordan didn’t do shit with 45.
I agree with max, i also go with the more athletic attacking one for every player, bc they are more unstoppable, which makes them better than when they are a little more allround
Pure Luminous come on bro that's like saying which MJ was better...before retiring or returning from retirement returning to the Bulls? He never changed he remained the same....FACT
Watching this rerun reminds me of how annoying Stephen A was when it came to nitpicking Max. This wasn't even a debatable topic yet he turned it into a debate 🤦🏾♂️ Sure Max is glad he's no longer there.
Depends if wether in the definition of "player" we include the definition of "leader", or not. Nº8 was all about him and himself, as much as was about winning. It's even aknowledged by Kobe himself that his biggest mistake of that time was that he just wouldn't listen. And the final proof that he was all about him, as much as winning is that when the notion that he couldn't win without Shaq began spreading, he was done with it and he was ready to leave the Lakers if Shaq didn't leave first. In his own words "that was it". So he was giving up winning in the short term just to prove he could win on his own. Number 8 was all about himself. Number 24 probably would've curved that ball and kept playing with Shaq just to win a couple rings more. But Number 8 simply couldn't even think twice about it. The player was an utter monster, an one man army at times. Relentless and unstoppable as a player, but a....problematic roster member to say the least. And he was no leader. at all. Nº24 was all about leadership. He embraced the concept and role like no other player ever has after coming from the player he used to be. Of course it was leadership of Kobe's way: "My way or the highway". He tried a relaxed kind of leadership first, tried to step back and let people sort things out by themselves by being assertive with them. Then the Celtics and 08 happened, and from then it was game on. He would lead by example and expected the rest to do the same, anyone not meeting his standards would not get a pat in the back nor encouragement, he'd would get an exemplary legendary grilling. Mind you, it worked. they won in 09, but for me the reason by #24 is what defines Kobe and his legacy is that the '08 lakers would've melted against the '10 Celtics, far worse than they actually did in '08. 2010 Celtics IMO was a much stronger side than 08's, yet more or less the same Lakers that had melted in 08 this time they endured a 7 game grind, and won one of the ugliest (yet most emotional and hard fought) game 7s in decades. It was nothing short of a war, a war they fought until the last breath. They. The lot. Not just Kobe. He was on top, but this time the whole team was behind him with the same spirit he had. And that was because Kobe was the leader who inspired the rest to be the same, and that was what won the 2010 ring for them. That's Kobe for me. And that's #24. #8 was a hell of a player, don't get me wrong,but if you ask me whom I want for my team, wether the roster disrupting, yet spectacular, phisically unstoppable force of nature #8 was, or the less phisically adept, yet much more savvy, and the great leader he became playing with #24, for me is hands down #24. No questions asked.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I ask you why you'll say 5 rings?well 11 beats 5 enough said!!stats and metrics favour lbj now go compare their stats and come amend your myopic response!!
I pick 8 because 24 Kobe was nice for a short period of time but had to many injuries and People lost faith and said he was not even Top 5 of All Time and many lost respect for him
Not many players can boast, being a HOF in two different jerseys. Very unique honor to have both numbers retired. I personally, like no. 8 Kobe, Frobe!
Only arguments for kobe > lbj 5 rings 81 points Arguments for lbj MVPs Fmvps Better stats More points rebounds assists Better field goal percentage Better three point percentage Always best player on his squad More finals appearances Best player in the world for almost 10 years vs kobe 3 years (05-08)
Shivam Kumar Wrong, Kobe has more All-defensive appearances, more career points, more All-Star aplearances, better footwork, better midrange shooting, better post game, more clutch, won with less (2 championships with Pau Gasol), much better off-ball game and played tougher competition in the playoffs. Also was the best player in the league from 03-10. Just because LeBron won back-to-back MVPs doesn't make him the better player. If that were the case then Steph>Lebron
Not to mention he didn’t start with the same minutes as Bron or wasn’t the option like Bron was lol and he’s been injured so again don’t let those numbers fool you
MegaTank40 2010 NBA Finals Game 7 Kobe 6-24 FG and 0-6 3pt for 23 Points vs Celtics 2013 NBA Finals Game 7 LeBron 12-23 FG and 5-10 3pt for 37 Points vs Spurs LeBron vs Kobe PPG: LeBron APG: LeBron RPG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe PER: LeBron W/S: LeBron O/Rating: LeBron D/Rating: LeBron Mvps: LeBron FMvps: LeBron Rings: Kobe LeBron is better All Around Basketball player then Kobe Seasons avg 25 PPG LeBron 13 > Kobe 12 Seasons avg +25 PPG on +50% FG LeBron 7 > Kobe 0 Seasons Shooting +40% 3pt LeBron 1 > Kobe 0 Regular Season Triple Doubles LeBron 59 > Kobe 21 NBA Finals Career Triple Doubles LeBron 9 > Kobe 0 Playoffs Games Total Stats Kobe 220 LeBron 217 Total Points LeBron 6,163 (1st All Time) Kobe 5,640 Total Rebounds LeBron 1,922 Kobe 1,119 Total Assists LeBron 1,489 Kobe 1,040 Total Steals LeBron 389 Kobe 310 Total Blocks LeBron 209 Kobe 144 Total 3point Shots Made LeBron 331 Kobe 292 Postseason Game Winning Buzzer Beaters LeBron 3 Kobe 1 Finals 40 Point Games LeBron 6 vs west Kobe 1 vs east LeBron better All Around Basketball player in Postseason then Kobe Kobe ranks 8-10 all time player LeBron top 2 or 3 all time player
Here is how I see it. : Stephen A is the boss. It's his show, but he has 3 ambitious journalists, who are gunning for his spot, as the alpha debater. As a result, Stephen A has to be mindful of other aspects of "corporate culture(Climbing up the ladder)". The crew has the potential to gang on him, because it is 3 v.1. So being aware of this, he must form an alliance with his co-host, Max Kellerman. Now, Max and Stephen have a contentious relationship. In terms of having the inside scoop, Stephen A offers the most insight on certain topics. This is his strength. However, Max has tended to be a fairly better analytic mind. He breaks things down in more 1+1= 2, which is his strength, but because of this fails to the bigger picture on this. Stephen A, knows that in a pure debate, Max would win, so he must remind everyone why he is the big dog from time to time. He does this by pointing out the fact that Max is too near-sighted, mostly in a ridiculing way (Which Max counters with dry sarcasm). The other co-hosts must sit there and take it, because Stephen A is their boss. Don't upset the boss. (If you've read this far, relax...there's a lot more) So when Stephen A offers Max an alliance, when Will Cain is present, he treats him a little bit more as a peer than a subordinate. Max must take this deal, because why not ingratiate yourself with the boss after all? Who knows if you will be offered more control over the show as a reward? So once they team up, it is 2v2- co-hosts, versus young bloods. Stephen A is now more secure. Max is closer to the top. Then we have Molly, the true Achilles heel to Stephen A. Why? Because she is a woman. Due to the hot water Stephen A has been in, as a result of prior "controversial statements" he has made, Molly has spotted a unique kink in Stephen A's amour. He can't critique her too harshly for interjecting as the moderator, as it may be deemed sexist for him to do so. So, as a result, Molly gets away with more time to debate the hosts, and build her brand as sports analyst, not just a pretty face. I believe she aspires to go host and be show-runner for her own gig. Stephen A can't form an alliance with her, as this would make her too powerful and threaten his position. (Oh! you are still here?....well let's go further down the rabbit hole) Next, there is Will Cain. He is relatively unknown, compared to the two other hosts. In fact, he lost the contest for Max's current position. Will Cain is pissed. He has a chip on his shoulder, and goes out to prove why he is better than his rival, and his boss who told him no. Will Cain knows that the other two hosts would love to validate 1) the decision to choose Max from both perspectives. He knows it will be tough, so he must go on the full offensive. He calls Stephen A and Max out, all the time with an "I'm not scared of you guys!" attitude. He brings up criticisms of SAS and Max that the silent public tends to make note of, a lot. SAS and Max both feel the burn, but they respond to it differently. Max becomes defensive, and and nervous, sometimes, while Stephen seems upset and goes on the offensive. Max secedes the fight for pole position, and lets the boss get real with the kids. This is where Stephen A smith turns into Stephen AA Smith. He gets savage, and checks his subordinates with some "Don't think I don't know your intentions, and if you keep playing with the fire, you will get burned"...."The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away" Stephen A restores his position atop the mountain peak, and the rest of the wolves wait for the hunt tomorrow. -The Politricks of ESPN First Take... The Saga to be continued
Me personally I thought #24 was more polish and mature player than #8. 2007-2010 this was prime Kobe had that unstoppable post mid range fadeaway shot.
Im just noticing that you can see people in the office walking around in the background.. Has this always been in this show and i just never paid attention
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Kobe so great they debating who's better KOBE or KOBE 😂😂😂
Answer is both
Facts
Yup! 😂
And neither Kobe could beat MJ.
@@blackmomba9368 Jordansexuals smh 🤦🏾♂️
Kobe wearing number 8 played with swagger Kobe 24 played with finesse
Marco Sanchez, yup your right, & MJ has always been known as the greatest finesse player Ever! He might have copied everything but at least he has solidified himself as the closet to MJ. Which in order to pass MJ one must be perfect in the finals, have a killer instinct, & be consistent in the clutch. - DJ Facts, Rotten Apple Radio
Kevin Lewis, so why is there video footage of mike in the early days innovating moves that kobe & lebron later copied. So who stuck their tongue out before mike? & why do both kobe & lebron have pics out there w/the patented tongue hang. Fucking Larry Bird said that micheal jordan is God w/a basketball jersey. Last I checked a God is higher than a king & is deadlier than a mamba!!!!!!! You just lost round 3 of this debate 3-0 & you done son 😂😂😂😂 - DJ Facts
Kevin Lewis, I'm talkn bout classic sports network & your full of shit. Before any of the content on classic, no one was doing anything acrobatic. This is documented in literature & spoken out the mouths of basketball historians. Dude your ignorant & obviously don't do any due diligence. If you can't provide a researchable source why are you still typing...I'm off this! Your dismissed - DJ Facts
Athleticism = 8 better
Overall complete basketball player = 24
Kobe was never a complete basketball player lol
AWRAH BY NOOR stay away from drugs kid
Stop. Kobe was a monster on Defense and offense.
Yahhbishh he a 2000s born child plz forgive em
AWRAH BY NOOR u idiot kobe was a complete ball player. Offensively and defensively kobe could do it all shoot rebound pass free throws. Everything
When Stephen A mentions the Gasol for Kwame trade, it's like hearing a favorite musician perform one of their old classics.
antoniorossiz lmfaoo
The heist of the decade 😂😂
But what he doesn't mention is Marc Gasol was a part of that trade
"Best" comment period.
“Kwa-may” cracks me up
Well, both gentlemen just stated the reason why both numbers should indeed be retired. 8/24 ☝️
ˈdōpəˌmēn just say will be. If you dk kobe havin both retired tonight just gtfoh
tteverywhere 97 5 rings is what he usually wears as well. 🤔
ˈdōpəˌmēn
Fair point.
He still usually shot around 8/24 in the Finals except 2002.
8/24 is 0.333333333, let’s keep it at 0.33 and retire that!
ˈdōpəˌmēn Facts8/24
Number 8 Kobe With The Afro 🔥 Unstoppable
James Harden Frobe was a killer
Was just about to say this. Frobe was a behemoth
The 2001 FroBe. He was ready to take over the team and the league
24 was way better
James Harden how can u stop the unstoppable??😂😂
Number 8 Kobe did some things that most would think are not humanly possible
#RapistKobe arrested on July 4 2003 #Wikipedia Kobe never went too jail you actually made a troll account . They should’ve never gave you niggas the internet!
Kobe dropped 81points in that #8 and he literally jumped over D. Howard head and racked him. Nuff Said!! (Mamba 4 Life) 24hrs 8 days a week. 💪🏿🐍
It’s extremely close but out of all Kobe’s opponents in the Finals, 2010 Celtics were the toughest rival
3 Hall of Famers in Pierce, Garnett, and Allen
Plus 1 all-star talent in Rondo
Brian Salas I think they’re the best team he faced in the finals by far. They’re the only team he faced that won a title
Idk man. That Pistons team was pretty amazing
Brian Salas
2008 Celtics were younger, more athletic and Garnett hadn't yet been injured.
Pistons beat Shaq, kobe, Payton and Malone
Hillary for Prison. FeelTheBern All of them were old except for Kobe and they all hated each other
24 Kobe Period. 24 won 2 of his 5 rings without Shaq and was more Mature
Iron Angel bitch maturity ain’t got shit to do with which one was better...same Kobe but one is a shooter and another is a slasher.
Ocho Gaming i wouldnt call a barely above 30% 3pt shooter a "shooter" but his footwork and mid range were elite
Ocho Gaming. Why called he/she a bitch for? Rude fuck
Kobe 8 was immature def. Lakers would never have gone to shit if Kobe didn't get himself involved with the Colorado incident.
Matt The Knicks Fan watch a fucking game instead of looking at percentages most of Kobe's points came from midrange and 3 point rage he was a shooter that could slash if he wanted to he shot 34% from 3 in his prime before the injuries
#8 2005-2006 Kobe is the greatest basketball player to ever play the game. The most unstoppable force in the history of basketball. Absolute KILLER.
Dominic Decoco lmfaoo that man avg 40 4 different months with smush parker and Kwame brown
I’m not even mad at that. 05-06 Kobe was a monster in every sense of the word
Domonic Decoco a true beast
87 and 88 Jordan was better lol Jordan averaged 35 while winning DPOY
I'm 18, never got to watch 8 Kobe live but from what I've seen, athletically insane, I watched 24, he was more skillful and that's what I like and he won 2 without Shaq in 24 so I got 24
I'm 19 and grew up watching him. My favorite player ever and the greatest next to Jordan in my opinion!
Tyreck Says Maybe 24. That's the one I seen do all types of crazy stuff.. Before the injuries of course
Tyreck Says I agree
GOAT go watch kobe 02-03
He won 2 without shaq, who cares, #8 frobe was still badass, that's like saying can Jordan win a championship without Pippen, he won all six with pippen
It doesn’t matter to me Kobe is my favorite basketball player
Caleb Wong same here
Same
Caleb Wong ever!!
facts
Big facts
Haha, KWAME BROWN. I miss SAS ranting on him in the past.
A- Rom same
A- Rom was legendary lol
Odom also was huge not just gasol just saying before the kadashian and the drugs smh
The way he says his name gets me every time 😂
Kwaa'may Brown
Stephen A. .... "NO ONE WOULD EVER ACCUSE ME OF DANCING AROUND ISSUES.." HAHAHAHAHA yeah right.
Honestly a good question. Accuse***** lol
"Only Kobe could beat me" - Michael Jordan
Darius King “NO” -Rosa Parks
Isiah Thomas
This is a real quote by MJ tho
Because he stole all my moves
Adam Leon that’s a real quote by Rosa fam
Adam Leon that’s a real Rosa parks wuote
24 Kobe for the last shot. 8 Kobe if i want him go for 30 or to dunk on someone
Marcus Jones he missed more clutch shots as 24.
Go for 30? he averaged over that
They just did this 3 months ago
Miles Daily yeah, it’s because we found out 3 months ago that his numbers will be retired....now it’s actually happening. What’s the problem?
Miles Daily thank you! And that time SAS didn't pick none of the numbers, He said he can't choose cause both were great
Miles Daily they'll do it forever.
😂
of course they did...theyre gonna do it 10 more times, as well as MJ vs Lebron, that will be brought up at least 100 more times
8 was a Kid
24 was a Man.
Oscar et sa guitare 8 was better
@Thunder in 7
Actually mate, who cares ? It's the same guy so it's a false debate.
Oscar et sa guitare obviously they do since they’re debating it
I think Kobe knew it. He knew that this debate will take place and he feeds us with that by changing his number after 10 years. I believe he's a smart guy and that this move is 100% premedited and conscious. Fans like these talks and this cross-generational debates. They will be on the table forever and noone will never have an answer for it.
8 was carried by Shaq.
8 was more athletic and had more legendary moments but 24 was more versatile & calculated
W as always for me
kobe = Shaq's sidekick
DDG's Ass Eating Face #ImSavingMyselfForKennedy W as always bro
24, he played with dominance and made it look easy
Thilly Saunders 8 was Epic all the game winner and the swagger Dunk on everybody uff 🔥💪Kobe #8
Thilly Saunders Then he got old and injured every year at Lakers fell off and only kept Kobe out of respect even though he lost his skills
8 was more dominant. That was when he scored 81 and averaged 40 in multiple months.
And would make moves that would make your jaw drop
Depressed Lakers Fan 05-06 yup
24 was better 8 was criticized about being carried by Shaq even thoe he scored 81 number 24 is when he won 2 titles without an superstar
Top Bee facts
But Shaq did carried Kobe even thoe kobe was putting up numbers shaq won all 3 FMVPS
What in happen 04-05? kobe missed the playoffs in his prime.
John Wall and people have the nerve to say Kobe better Then LeBron Lol Wade didn’t win none of the FMVPS when they teamed up together Bron won all 2
Gasol was a Allstar, Kobe ain't getting those 2 rings without Pau
*24 was the one I grew up on*
CubaGordy same thing was thinkin lol
CubaGordy he played 24 for 10 years of his career bruv
Same I start watching in 08
Lol you missed the Shaq carried kobe years. Smh
I'm 20, Kobe got drafted before I was even born. The Kobe i remember growing up watching is 24.
Kobe is laughing now. This was probably his plan all along to change his number to get both retired at Staples center
commenter68plus1 no because he wanted to be next to Jordan
Rodney Thomas 😑
24 Kobe for sure
It's equal
That's how great Kobe is. People who don't even like him click on these videos and take so much time out of their to watch or comment. Thanks for stopping by. Kobe is a great, can't take that away.
Neil Morte he not even top 10 lmfaooooo.
NIGGA WHAAT?? I didn't even say where I think he ranks. I don't have to. He doesn't need to be top 10 to be a great. Who cares? Top 10, 50, 100. Doesn't matter. He made his mark on the league.
Neil Morte I'm not interested in a video I already know what they going to say I like to have a nice conversation with the other people but why are Laker fans so quick to call you a hater if you don't drink the same cup of Kool-Aid that they drink
1990758 that's anecdotal. It all depends on the point being made. Nice conversations would be great, but so much disrespect being spread around the greats of the game for Kobe and Lebron especially.
being from La watching kobe growing up was an honor the city vibe in the summer after all them back too backs!!! Legend!!!
Stephen A you consistently change your opinion show by show lol
Exactly
J.R. 2k Right!!!!
Why SAS rude to my man Max? Lol Max knows his shit and a nice guy
George Kenny he knows that max is getting more love than him right now
Y'all do realize that Kobe is the same person regardless of his jersey # right?
True but Kobe was much more athletic as #8, not better though.
Even Kobe didn't believe he was the same person after the number change
He made the kanye commercial claiming to be a different animal but the same beast
Lord Frieza Christ Resurrected facts lol
Yup.
Kobe was number 8 when he had the string of 50 point games SAS was wrong about that one.
krose0902 9 straight 40 was #8
Yea guys those scoring seasons were within his number changes. 9 straight 40+ point games was #8 Kobe and the next season he changed to 24 and then he had 4 straight 50+ point games
WRONG
Jason Miller first of all it happened on january 22 2006. And second he was wearing 8.
LORD KEITH Those 50 point string happened the same year he scored 81 and he was number 8 that year
24 Kobe was better, but 8 Kobe was much much funner to watch.
8=explosive, unstoppable
24=mature, better overall
#8 Kobe was the more athletic, was able to put literally anyone on a poster. He was 1B to Shaq's 1A. #24 Kobe was the more wise and graceful Kobe, the Kobe was the more legit footwork. The Kobe who did whatever it took to win without Shaq. The Kobe who I think was more clutch than #8 Kobe.
Sixx God6 did whatever it takes to win ? Wtf does thqt even mean so if he had to play for free to win , you think he would of done that?
Fly high Vino 💛💜
This drama is for entertainment purposes lol
infodrumm exactly but we all know why he switch from number 8 to 24 I don't care what he says or anyone else says number 8 is associated with Colorado 2004 but of course he's going to say that was his high school jersey number
8/24 both are legends.
When Kobe lost Shaq, he wanted to prove he could win without him. When Lebron lost, he wanted to prove he needed more pieces to win again.
Facts
"The ultimate heist, gettting Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown" I'm dead
What the deal with S-A-S? He's acting like an A-S-S. Dude has attitude problems, only seen this type of behavior from women... Great job Max keeping your cool. Just one time I want to see and hear Max say to SAS "Who the hell you think you talking to? Acting like a word that rhymes with itch..."
lol Calm down dude. Stephen A. i flies off the handle in a joking kind of way. You guys take his loud rants too seriously. This is just entertainment. Him and Max are both professionals and probably friends off First Take. Stephen A CHOSE MAX to as his First Take partner after Skip left. He respects Max's knowledge of the game and entertaining brand of delivery.
Both numbers are Hall of Fame worthy.
Rest in peace, Kobe. 💜💛
Heart goes out to Kobe he's gone but everybody forgets about Tim Duncan who got his rings from Michael Jordan Shaq Kobe LeBron and Barkeley andwith the media as he keeps a low profile and maybe he's living a better life because of that
24 was hungry too but he was more Mature💯
Personally I'd take 8 he could've easily won 2 more championships while Shaq was around and Fisher, Horry etc.. He truly was Like a young lion going after everyone in the league, his talent back then was good enough to keep winning championships had they kept a competitive team after Shaq left.
I disagree because San Antonio was in the way at times. So for #8 to be like that. He at worst should win the chip every other year. But I digress 😊
24, overall leader and polished
No. 8 was a Savage but No. 24 was a legend and the closest thing to Jordan
For me 24 was when he was the best player in the planet. But whatever, it's both Kobe, the MJ in my generation and will be my childhood hero forever.
Kobe did drop 50+ ten games in a row..if someone did that 3 games ina row in todays nba they would call him the goat lol
Gio Salazar nah 9 straight 40, 4 straight 50
#8 Kobe was more athletic, played with anger, was all about destroying others. #24 Kobe was more poised, relied of angles, footwork, post game, and experience.
Max: "Let's not let Shaq obscure Kobe's greatness."
Also Max: "Damn Kobe got fkin carried by Shaq."
2005-06 #8 Kobe was GODLY! But is was just the beginning of what was to come with #24 this dude showed he was a leader
Stephen A. Should really tone it down sometimes js
J-Stilt 9 i totally agree. Too loud and obnoxious at times.
With 24 Kobe became complete.
But damn that number 8 and frobe years, that was crazy interesting!
Some people are mad he is getting 2 numbers retired; no one else has done it. But, nobody else has had such a great career with 2 numbers. Jordan didn’t do shit with 45.
I agree with max, i also go with the more athletic attacking one for every player, bc they are more unstoppable, which makes them better than when they are a little more allround
Are y'all kidding me??? Kobe is Kobe no matter what number you throw on his back just like MJ when he wore number 45
Pierre Ferrand lol not the same thing
Pure Luminous come on bro that's like saying which MJ was better...before retiring or returning from retirement returning to the Bulls? He never changed he remained the same....FACT
Pierre Ferrand well mj also wore 45 for like 7% if his career and kobe wore two different numbers for each half.... lol
Pierre Ferrand not the same. 45 Michael was not the same 23 Michael lol.
I just love to see these guys debate !!!!
24 was the best kobe
Watching this rerun reminds me of how annoying Stephen A was when it came to nitpicking Max. This wasn't even a debatable topic yet he turned it into a debate 🤦🏾♂️ Sure Max is glad he's no longer there.
24
8 = Showtime 💛
24 = Mamba Mentality 💜
This is an argument?
Giannis Wallace a debate
8 was the better player. Especially on the defensive end. I do love the old wise #24. But #8 Kobe was simply special.
KOBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
#8 9 straight 40 point games, #24 Kobe 4 straight 50
Which Jordan is better ?
23 or 45
😂😂😂
AH25 Or 12
He made me love the number 24 which is why I always use it but that afro and#8 on his jersey he was crazy
Black Mamba>LeOverrated
Angel Five both legends rather you think LeBron is overrated or not he will get the same praise as Kobe when he retires
LeBron is the greatest of all time
James Smith
Nah Jordan Goat
But LeBron better then Kobe
Kobe with the fro was just dripping in Swagu sauce. One of the greatest moments for the culture.
Lets not forget they had a choice to keep shaq or kobe and guess who stayed and who got kicked to 5 difrrent teams after lol
Depends if wether in the definition of "player" we include the definition of "leader", or not.
Nº8 was all about him and himself, as much as was about winning. It's even aknowledged by Kobe himself that his biggest mistake of that time was that he just wouldn't listen. And the final proof that he was all about him, as much as winning is that when the notion that he couldn't win without Shaq began spreading, he was done with it and he was ready to leave the Lakers if Shaq didn't leave first. In his own words "that was it". So he was giving up winning in the short term just to prove he could win on his own. Number 8 was all about himself. Number 24 probably would've curved that ball and kept playing with Shaq just to win a couple rings more. But Number 8 simply couldn't even think twice about it.
The player was an utter monster, an one man army at times. Relentless and unstoppable as a player, but a....problematic roster member to say the least. And he was no leader. at all.
Nº24 was all about leadership. He embraced the concept and role like no other player ever has after coming from the player he used to be. Of course it was leadership of Kobe's way: "My way or the highway". He tried a relaxed kind of leadership first, tried to step back and let people sort things out by themselves by being assertive with them. Then the Celtics and 08 happened, and from then it was game on. He would lead by example and expected the rest to do the same, anyone not meeting his standards would not get a pat in the back nor encouragement, he'd would get an exemplary legendary grilling.
Mind you, it worked. they won in 09, but for me the reason by #24 is what defines Kobe and his legacy is that the '08 lakers would've melted against the '10 Celtics, far worse than they actually did in '08. 2010 Celtics IMO was a much stronger side than 08's, yet more or less the same Lakers that had melted in 08 this time they endured a 7 game grind, and won one of the ugliest (yet most emotional and hard fought) game 7s in decades. It was nothing short of a war, a war they fought until the last breath. They. The lot. Not just Kobe. He was on top, but this time the whole team was behind him with the same spirit he had. And that was because Kobe was the leader who inspired the rest to be the same, and that was what won the 2010 ring for them.
That's Kobe for me. And that's #24. #8 was a hell of a player, don't get me wrong,but if you ask me whom I want for my team, wether the roster disrupting, yet spectacular, phisically unstoppable force of nature #8 was, or the less phisically adept, yet much more savvy, and the great leader he became playing with #24, for me is hands down #24. No questions asked.
Kobe 8 3 rings-lebron 3 rings
Milos Stanivukovic
lebron
#6-2 title loses
#23-3 title loses
How many finals MVP did Kobe 8 have?
R A he never got robed. And the one he won cp3 should have got lmao.
Walking living legend
Man I feel like Kobe
8&24 💜💛
Frobe #8
Kobe 08-10 wearing number 24 was the best basketball player i have ever witnessed
Kobe is a way better basketball player than lebron
rebelsoundz Facts💯
never
stay off the WEEEEEEEED 😂😂😂
I see no lies
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I ask you why you'll say 5 rings?well 11 beats 5 enough said!!stats and metrics favour lbj now go compare their stats and come amend your myopic response!!
I pick 8 because 24 Kobe was nice for a short period of time but had to many injuries and People lost faith and said he was not even Top 5 of All Time and many lost respect for him
Kobe 8 was a killer Kobe 24 was a ex con
free meek mill 😂😂😂😂😭
U couldn't have put it any better W
Not many players can boast, being a HOF in two different jerseys. Very unique honor to have both numbers retired. I personally, like no. 8 Kobe, Frobe!
24 >8 > Lebrick ✊🏾
he aint lebrick anymore bitch ass nigga
You got the nerve to call someone a brick.When kobrick never shot over 50% in his career and miss the most shots
Undefeated pacifist: Funny you call him LeBrick when LeBron scores more on fewer shot attempts lol
+Michael Jokedan Not My Goat bro lebron scores most of his points in the paint of course he would be over 50%
Jonathan lopez stop LeBron is way more efficient than Kobe
Lol. These two made some great points. It's funny seeing them go at it 😂
Only arguments for kobe > lbj
5 rings
81 points
Arguments for lbj
MVPs
Fmvps
Better stats
More points rebounds assists
Better field goal percentage
Better three point percentage
Always best player on his squad
More finals appearances
Best player in the world for almost 10 years vs kobe 3 years (05-08)
Shivam Kumar Wrong, Kobe has more All-defensive appearances, more career points, more All-Star aplearances, better footwork, better midrange shooting, better post game, more clutch, won with less (2 championships with Pau Gasol), much better off-ball game and played tougher competition in the playoffs. Also was the best player in the league from 03-10. Just because LeBron won back-to-back MVPs doesn't make him the better player. If that were the case then Steph>Lebron
Don’t let them stats fool you
Use the eye test kobe didn’t need to grab rebounds or get a lot of assists and he still has a better finals record than Bron
Not to mention he didn’t start with the same minutes as Bron or wasn’t the option like Bron was lol and he’s been injured so again don’t let those numbers fool you
MegaTank40
2010 NBA Finals
Game 7
Kobe 6-24 FG and 0-6 3pt for 23 Points vs Celtics
2013 NBA Finals
Game 7
LeBron 12-23 FG and 5-10 3pt for 37 Points vs Spurs
LeBron vs Kobe
PPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
PER: LeBron
W/S: LeBron
O/Rating: LeBron
D/Rating: LeBron
Mvps: LeBron
FMvps: LeBron
Rings: Kobe
LeBron is better All Around Basketball player then Kobe
Seasons avg 25 PPG
LeBron 13 > Kobe 12
Seasons avg +25 PPG on +50% FG
LeBron 7 > Kobe 0
Seasons Shooting +40% 3pt
LeBron 1 > Kobe 0
Regular Season Triple Doubles
LeBron 59 > Kobe 21
NBA Finals Career Triple Doubles
LeBron 9 > Kobe 0
Playoffs Games Total Stats
Kobe 220
LeBron 217
Total Points
LeBron 6,163 (1st All Time)
Kobe 5,640
Total Rebounds
LeBron 1,922
Kobe 1,119
Total Assists
LeBron 1,489
Kobe 1,040
Total Steals
LeBron 389
Kobe 310
Total Blocks
LeBron 209
Kobe 144
Total 3point Shots Made
LeBron 331
Kobe 292
Postseason Game Winning Buzzer Beaters
LeBron 3
Kobe 1
Finals 40 Point Games
LeBron 6 vs west
Kobe 1 vs east
LeBron better All Around Basketball player in Postseason then Kobe
Kobe ranks 8-10 all time player
LeBron top 2 or 3 all time player
Still can't believe his gone
I never liked Kobe, he's good tho
When you're compared to yourself, you know you were a beast.
This drongo Max always talking about Muhammad Ali..
this is kobe time to be praised regardless of everything he's a champion and from Philly 💯💯.
LeBron better than both number 8 and 24 kobrick
Michael Jokedan Not My Goat shut up u hater
KoBrick is a terrible ripoff of Lebrick.
+Nolay Austin Robinson was 2-0
Imagine #24 in #8's body and athleticism.
I fuck with Kobe, but let’s not act like Shaq didn’t carry him, until they broke up
nobody carried anybody
How did he get 2 more then?
Can shaq win those 3 rings without kobe ?
Shaq with kobe: 3-1
Shaq without kobe 1-1
Kobe= 5/7 finals
Shaq= 4/6 finals
Kobe needed Shaq as much as Shaq needed Kobe
Steve Gerrard Kobe should've won at least one of those fmvp he locked down the other teams best player while shaq just happen to have a mismatch
Here is how I see it. : Stephen A is the boss. It's his show, but he has 3 ambitious journalists, who are gunning for his spot, as the alpha debater. As a result, Stephen A has to be mindful of other aspects of "corporate culture(Climbing up the ladder)". The crew has the potential to gang on him, because it is 3 v.1. So being aware of this, he must form an alliance with his co-host, Max Kellerman.
Now, Max and Stephen have a contentious relationship. In terms of having the inside scoop, Stephen A offers the most insight on certain topics. This is his strength. However, Max has tended to be a fairly better analytic mind. He breaks things down in more 1+1= 2, which is his strength, but because of this fails to the bigger picture on this. Stephen A, knows that in a pure debate, Max would win, so he must remind everyone why he is the big dog from time to time. He does this by pointing out the fact that Max is too near-sighted, mostly in a ridiculing way (Which Max counters with dry sarcasm). The other co-hosts must sit there and take it, because Stephen A is their boss. Don't upset the boss.
(If you've read this far, relax...there's a lot more)
So when Stephen A offers Max an alliance, when Will Cain is present, he treats him a little bit more as a peer than a subordinate. Max must take this deal, because why not ingratiate yourself with the boss after all? Who knows if you will be offered more control over the show as a reward? So once they team up, it is 2v2- co-hosts, versus young bloods. Stephen A is now more secure. Max is closer to the top.
Then we have Molly, the true Achilles heel to Stephen A. Why? Because she is a woman. Due to the hot water Stephen A has been in, as a result of prior "controversial statements" he has made, Molly has spotted a unique kink in Stephen A's amour. He can't critique her too harshly for interjecting as the moderator, as it may be deemed sexist for him to do so. So, as a result, Molly gets away with more time to debate the hosts, and build her brand as sports analyst, not just a pretty face. I believe she aspires to go host and be show-runner for her own gig. Stephen A can't form an alliance with her, as this would make her too powerful and threaten his position.
(Oh! you are still here?....well let's go further down the rabbit hole)
Next, there is Will Cain. He is relatively unknown, compared to the two other hosts. In fact, he lost the contest for Max's current position. Will Cain is pissed. He has a chip on his shoulder, and goes out to prove why he is better than his rival, and his boss who told him no. Will Cain knows that the other two hosts would love to validate 1) the decision to choose Max from both perspectives. He knows it will be tough, so he must go on the full offensive. He calls Stephen A and Max out, all the time with an "I'm not scared of you guys!" attitude. He brings up criticisms of SAS and Max that the silent public tends to make note of, a lot. SAS and Max both feel the burn, but they respond to it differently. Max becomes defensive, and and nervous, sometimes, while Stephen seems upset and goes on the offensive. Max secedes the fight for pole position, and lets the boss get real with the kids.
This is where Stephen A smith turns into Stephen AA Smith. He gets savage, and checks his subordinates with some "Don't think I don't know your intentions, and if you keep playing with the fire, you will get burned"...."The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away"
Stephen A restores his position atop the mountain peak, and the rest of the wolves wait for the hunt tomorrow.
-The Politricks of ESPN First Take... The Saga to be continued
JTOnline well said!!
It dont matter cuz both Kobes arent even better than Lebron.
Hahahaha. People rlly still think Kobe is better
W
Alex Cantu it’s already been establish, that Kobe isn’t better than lebron. But damn y’all stay hating
lonzo >>>>>> westbrick
Lebron win 2 lucky rings thank to ray allen and refs in 2016
Me personally I thought #24 was more polish and mature player than #8. 2007-2010 this was prime Kobe had that unstoppable post mid range fadeaway shot.
LeBron > Kobe
3-5
Speedy Morgan: So you think Pippen is better than Kobe? 6-0 beats 5-2 just saying
Kobe is 5-2 leading the team and lebron is 3-5 leading the team who leads his team to a better finals record ?
Pippen isnt leading the bulls
Speedy Morgan: Kobe only lead LA to two titles wtf are you talking about?! Anyone with a brain knows Shaq lead LA to 3
Stephen A has always hated max
Duncan > Kobe
Duncan does not handle the ball..
Cannot be compared in terms of skills
kesh Awootar Big Fundamental was just as skilled
L
Duncan was a role player that averaged the same stats as Carlos boozer between 07-2013
Kobe also owns Duncan in the playoffs
Kobe > Duncan
Verbal Assassinator so Duncan could do a fadeaway 3 pointer? Fadeaway being double teamed? Shoot a 3 that's off the dribble? No
Max is smoking Kobe 8 was nice but the black mamba was on Jordan's level.
They are retiring his number today. Let's hope we have a great game on a day they honor one of the greatest to ever play
if you watch MJ's highlights from the 80's. He was a savage. I wish they had better tape technology and cameras... he was a man amongst boys.
Im just noticing that you can see people in the office walking around in the background.. Has this always been in this show and i just never paid attention
Talking like number 8 & 24 not the same guy. Kobe is simply incredible.